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The 404 Media Podcast
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Welcome to the podcast from 404 Media where Joseph, Sam, Emanuel, and Jason catch you up on the stories we published this week. 404 Media is a journalist-owned digital media company exploring the way technology is shaping–and is shaped by–our world. We bring you unparalleled access to hidden worlds both online and IRL through investigative reporting, smart blogging, and breaking news. At 404 Media you’ll read, and hear, stories you can’t find anywhere else written by journalists who are leading experts on their beats. Subscribe to 404 Media at 404media.co to gain access to an ad-free version of this podcast, as well as a bonus podcast episodes. Subscribers are the bedrock of building a sustainable business for our journalism.
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How This Trippy Image Started A Massive Conspiracy Theory
Apr 2900:47:13Summary readyThis week, Jason explains the conspiracy theory circulating behind a trippy stock image that went viral after the White House Correspondents’ Dinner—was it sent here by a time traveler? (Spoiler: It was not.) Then Sam unpacks what’s happening at Arizona State University with a messy rollout of a new AI-powered tool that generates lessons by scraping professors’ lectures without their knowledge. In the second for subscribers at the Supporter level, Emanuel gets philosophical with a discussion about the question of machine consciousness and how it relates to a new paper from a Google-affiliated scientist. University Professors Disturbed to Find Their Lectures Chopped Up and Turned Into AI Slop Did a Time Traveling Superintelligent AI Try to Warn About White House Correspondents Dinner Shooting? An Investigation Google DeepMind Paper Argues LLMs Will Never Be Conscious YouTube Version: https://youtu.be/VOo0ZpIagP0 Subscribe at 404media.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryGovernment Hacking Tools Are Now in Criminals' Hands (with Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai)
Apr 2700:51:03Summary readyThis week Joseph talks to Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai, a journalist at TechCrunch. Lorenzo has possibly the deepest understanding of one of the wildest cybersecurity stories in years: how an employee of Trenchant, a government malware vendor that is supposed to only sell to the ‘good’ guys, secretly sold a bunch of hacking tools to a Russian company. Those tools, it looks like, then ended up with the Russian government and possibly Chinese criminals too. It’s a really insane story about how powerful hacking tech can fall into the wrong hands. Inside the story of the US defense contractor who leaked hacking tools to Russia US military contractor likely built iPhone hacking tools used by Russian spies in Ukraine Youtube Version: https://youtu.be/MWxLqopMo5o Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryHow Algorithms Make Us Feel Bad and Weird
Apr 2200:58:26Summary readyThis week Sam unpacks how social media algorithms manipulate our emotions around everything from engagement rings to wedding dresses to babies, and what it feels like getting lost in the #Weddingtok sauce, and Emanuel breaks down a satirical but functional AI tool that rips off open source software. There’s a long history in “clean room” software that’s really interesting. In the section for subscribers at the Supporter level, Jason walks us through “tokenmaxxing” and startups obsessed with spending as much money as possible on AI—and as little as possible on humans. Listen to the weekly podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or YouTube. Become a paid subscriber for access to this episode's bonus content and to power our journalism. If you become a paid subscriber, check your inbox for an email from our podcast host Transistor for a link to the subscribers-only version! You can also add that subscribers feed to your podcast app of choice and never miss an episode that way. The email should also contain the subscribers-only unlisted YouTube link for the extended video version too. It will also be in the show notes in your podcast player. I Almost Lost My Mind in the Bridal Algorithm This AI Tool Rips Off Open Source Software Without Violating Copyright YouTube Version: https://youtu.be/-NEjEaOp1tI Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryWhy Journalists Are Leaving Big Media (with Maddy Myers)
Apr 2000:55:09Summary readyThis week, Sam is joined by Maddy Myers, editor-in-chief of Mothership. She’s also a co-host of the video games podcast Triple Click. Maddy launched Mothership with co-founder Zoë Hannah in January. It’s a queer and women-owned independent publication that focuses on gender and games. They discuss Maddy’s early days of games journalism via a (print!) alt-weekly in Boston and then at the Mary Sue, how she and Zoë decided it was time to quit Polygon and launch their own indie outlet, and the importance of owning your own work as a journalist. Subscribe to Mothership Why I’m launching a feminist video games website in 2026 - The GuardianMothership and a History of Women in Games Media - the Post Games podcast YouTube Version: https://youtu.be/sQUqYKXW3fE Subscribe at 404media.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryHow the FBI Extracted Deleted Signal Messages
Apr 1600:44:39Summary readyWe start this week with Joseph’s story on the inherent friction between secure chat apps like Signal and the phone they’re running on. Incoming message content can be stored in a phone’s internal notification database. After the break, Matthew tells us the latest about the data center pushback. Then in the subscribers’ only section, Emanuel tells us all about Marathon and its player numbers. (00:00) Intro (01:21) FBI Extracts Suspect’s Deleted Signal Messages Saved in iPhone Notification Database (26:01) Maine Is Close to Passing a Moratorium on New Datacenters (33:21) Farmer Arrested for Speaking Too Long at Datacenter Town Hall Vows to Fight Subscriber's Story: I Wish I Didn’t Care About 'Marathon' Player Numbers, But I Do Subscribe at 404media.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryHow the Internet Became Hell (with Whitney Phillips)
Apr 1301:04:46Summary ready‘The Ambivalent Intent’ and ‘The Shadow Gospel’ author Whitney Phillips on how online got so bad Why does the internet feel like it’s getting worse every single day, and why does it feel like the political landscape is getting worse in response? The answer might seem obvious, especially if you read 404 Media on a regular basis, where we’ve been documenting this decline, but it’s important to occasionally zoom out and ask the big questions. That’s why this week on the podcast I’m joined by Whitney Phillips. Phillips is the author of several books about internet culture and ethics, including This is Why We Can’t Have Nice Things and The Ambivalent Internet. She’s a professor of information politics and media ethics at the University of Oregon, and also one of my favorite people to talk to and listen to because she’s a genius when it comes to the kind of internet culture and platform dynamics we report on every day at 404 Media. I wanted to talk to Whitney today because it’s been a few years since we talked in depth about the state of the internet and so much has changed in that time, sadly for the worst, and I really wanted some help in understanding the current state of things, as bad as they are. We also spent quite a bit of time talking about her upcoming book, The Shadow Gospel: How Anti-liberal Demonology Possessed U.S. Religion, Media, and Politics. YouTube Version: https://youtu.be/gp_n6vDmFfc Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryWildlife Cops Are Searching AI Cameras for ICE
Apr 800:50:08Summary readyThis week we start with Jason’s story about how wildlife cops are doing Flock lookups for ICE. It shows that ICE is gaining access to this sort of information through pretty unexpected ways. After the break, Emanuel tells us all about the AI ban at Wikipedia. In the subscribers-only section, Joseph breaks down a set of vulnerabilities in the ‘secure’ chat app TeleGuard. Wildlife Conservation Police Are Searching Thousands of Flock Cameras for ICE Wikipedia Bans AI-Generated Content An AI Agent Was Banned From Creating Wikipedia Articles, Then Wrote Angry Blogs About Being Banned Subscriber's Story - A Secure Chat App’s Encryption Is So Bad It Is ‘Meaningless’ Youtube Version: https://youtu.be/YrHYwCb5aM8 Subscribe at 404media.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryThe Lawyer Fighting Government Surveillance for 30 Years (With EFF's Cindy Cohn)
Apr 600:54:52Summary readyThis week Jason brings you an interview he did with The Electronic Frontier Foundation’s executive director Cindy Cohn, who recently announced she would be stepping down from the legendary digital rights nonprofit after decades of service. Cindy's new book “Privacy’s Defender,” is a memoir of her work to protect Americans’ privacy and fight government surveillance.Privacy’s Defender weaves Cindy’s life story through three incredibly important court cases. Rather than being a dry recounting of three complicated and technical cases, Cindy recounts her strategies in each case, the trials and tribulations she was going through during each period, and the stakes of each case. A quick backgrounder — the cases are Bernstein vs Department of Justice, decided in 1996, which established code and encryption as protected speech under the first amendment, a lasting decision that became critical in Apple’s lawsuit against the FBI in the aftermath of the San Bernardino shooting. It also follows EFF’s lawsuit against AT&T for building a secret backdoor in its internet data centers that gave data to the NSA for warrantless surveillance against American citizens, a case that was built in part around testimony and documents shared by Mark Klein, who showed schematics and design documents for secret surveillance rooms in AT&T’s offices. And finally it follows the Alphabet Cases, which were lawsuits against FBI gag orders for national security letters, which are secret demands for customer information that came with gag orders against internet companies that prevented them from disclosing the fact that the FBI approached them for information. Those cases concerned both Cloudflare and a telecom company called CREDO, and went on for many years. Our interview with Cindy shows that the fight for privacy happens in fits and spurts, and is rarely linear. Cindy's Book Privacy Defender: https://www.eff.org/Privacys-Defender Youtube Version: https://youtu.be/2OwH_XyfEhs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryInside the AI Slop Propaganda Wars
Apr 100:52:59Summary readyThis week Matthew Gault joins us to discuss his article about Iran’s AI slop and LEGO-focused propaganda, and why the creators chose LEGO. After the break, Jason tells us all about the new automated system in baseball and the drama it’s causing. In the subscribers-only section, Sam walks us through perhaps one of the worst sex apps of all time. Iran Is Winning the AI Slop Propaganda War 'You Can't Defeat the Robots!': Baseball's AI Strike Zone Is Must-Watch Television Subscriber's Story - I Tried to Find the ‘Arousal Intelligence’ In An Animated, Augmented Reality Porn Star YouTube Version: https://youtu.be/_4buUas3tGs Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code 404MEDIA at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/404media Subscribe at 404media.co Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
SummaryThe Journalist Who Tracked Epstein Island Visitors’ Phones
Mar 3000:44:45Summary readyThis week Joseph talks to Dhruv Mehrotra, a journalist and technologist at Bloomberg. Before that, Dhruv was at WIRED, where you probably saw a ton of his interesting work. Dhruv sits in a very unusual space in journalism: he is able to both write technical tools to dig through data, or collect information, or really anything else, and is also able to just write a damn good story. That is a very unique blend. The pair chat about Dhruv’s entry into journalism, how computational journalism has changed over the years, and how Dhruv uses AI too. Jeffrey Epstein’s Island Visitors Exposed by Data Broker ‘They're Not Breathing’: Inside the Chaos of ICE Detention Center 911 Calls Epstein’s Inbox Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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