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The Audiobook Club with John York
Naudio | Quinn Creator & Voice Actor
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Teamwork, Boundaries & Greg's Mom
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- [00:14]
John
Hello, and welcome to the Audiobook Club. In this week's episode, we're so lucky to be joined by Quinn creator Nordio. Hello, mate. Thank you so much for joining me on the show. How are you today?
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Nordio
What's up, John? I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me on.
- [00:30]
John
Oh, it's an absolute pleasure. And, yeah, the honor is all mine, I must say. How's everything going so far? How's your November so far?
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Nordio
November is going good. I'm, you know, big fan of fall, and it's finally starting to look like fall. Summer was a little bit long for my tastes, but, yeah, really enjoying the change of the season over here. How about you?
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John
I'd say I'm a big fan of summer, I must say.
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Nordio
Okay.
- [00:56]
John
Yeah, I'm a summer boy. I like to be in shorts and I like sunglasses on and all the rest. I don't mind it when it gets colder, and I can definitely. I like the Christmas sort of vibe, and I like the sort of, you know, the color of the trees and all that sort of thing, but if I'm honest, I prefer it. Are you more drifting towards a colder, colder season?
- [01:15]
Nordio
I mean, to be honest, I'm like. I think it's just whatever. I'm ready for a change. When it, like, towards the end of any season, I'm like, oh, God, I can't wait for summer. And then when summer's too long, it's like, when's it gonna be fall? Like, this is going on way too long. Just, like, fast. Let's fast forward this. Let's get it going, you know?
- [01:33]
John
Oh, absolutely. It's always, like. It's. It's always better on the other side, I think.
- [01:38]
Nordio
Exactly. Exactly.
- [01:39]
John
So as is tradition on this show, I'd really love to start by getting to know a little bit more about, you know, how you got. How you got started in this, like, mad world of Quinn and voice acting and all this sort of stuff. Like. So may I ask at the start, like, how did this all come about for you? How did you find yourself in this line of work?
- [01:59]
Nordio
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I just want to apologize to you and everyone listening at the beginning here that I am sorry if I am being super vague with some of my answers. But for anyone who doesn't know, I am an anonymous creator. So I want to keep things that way. And to do that, I have to be kind of careful about what I say. And I am a nervous talker, which I'm sure will be very noticeable in the coming minutes, which is one of the reasons why I don't really do any interviews like this. But, John, you're such a great interviewer and a very calming presence. So it just feels like I'm chatting with a friend, so you make it easy, John. Oh, thank you. Yeah, but it's crazy. I still don't understand why people like my voice so much when I'm editing and listening to myself. And I'm sure you get this, too. It's like, it just. It's like that imposter syndrome. Like, I just. I feel like I just sound like a guy. Like, I'm just a normal dude, John. And I don't know why people like my voice so much. It's so confusing. Like, have you heard some of the other voices on Quinn? Like, have you heard raw, vintage? Like, that's a man with a silky smooth, velvety voice? Or like, Chris Yemez? Like, what, are you kidding me? Like, what am I supposed to do? Like, and you Brits, like, how am I supposed to compete with a hot British accent? Like, you guys have actually sexy voices. And then I hear me, and I just sound like some guy. Like, I truly. I truly don't understand it. But, you know, I'm so grateful that people like my voice, and I just. I feel so lucky that I get to do this for a living now. And it's. And it's such an. Such an awesome job. And I'm. Yeah, I'm so glad that Quinn took a chance on me to do it. But, yeah, I guess I kind of went ahead myself there, but I'll get back to kind of how I started. Yeah. Nervous talker. I don't know if that's a point, but, yeah, so I. I got to be selective about what I say here, but I will say that I do have a lot of experience doing work in audio production and in music production. So it wasn't like, when I first started making audios, like, it wasn't like I was learning everything from scratch for the first time. Like, I definitely had a good amount of experience going into it. And then when I first came across Quinn and audio erotica on TikTok, like, I. I just went to the app and I listened to a ton of audios, and I just, like, blew my mind. Like, the whole. The whole concept of, like, the fill in the blank, like, interactive element was so cool. And then. And as I was listening, like, it kind of crossed my mind. Like, I. I could. Maybe I could do this. Like, I could kind of see myself doing Something like this. But what really made me, what really pushed me to do it, is that I had noticed that there wasn't many creators doing Binaural recording. And for those of you who don't know, Binaural is kind of a recording technique where you use, like, two or more microphones to kind of mimic the human ear and to mimic human hearing in real life. And, like, years and years ago, I had heard this recording that really stuck with me. I think it was a demo for, like, a Binaural microphone or something. And it was. It was two actors with. With very questionable Italian accents. And there it's called, like, Virtual Barbershop or Virtual Haircut or something.
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John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And they give you, like, a haircut, and you can hear the scissors, like, going around your head and the tremors, like, going around you, like, as if you're actually there.
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John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And that, like, that blew my mind. And that always has just been kind of in the back of my mind. And then when I came across Quinn, I was like, why people should do that for porn? How come no one's doing that for erotica? And I was like, so that kind of. I saw an opportunity there, and I went for it, and I recorded something, and Quinn liked it, and I've been doing it ever since. And I'm just so thankful that Quinn took a chance on me and for giving me this opportunity and for building this awesome app.
- [06:08]
John
Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, I think that whole thing about Binaural recording, because I must admit that I wasn't too familiar with it before, you know, entering this world of Quinn. Yeah. You know, before hearing, you know, works from such as yourself. But people go crazy for it, and rightly so, because it is so immersive. And I think also it's like with taking that Binaural, you know, taking the tech side and then also incorporating it into the sort of creative side as the listeners, the main character, putting those two pieces together, it sort of fit. You know, it goes well. The immersiveness that you can bring to something by using those two techniques is astounding.
- [06:47]
Nordio
Yeah. Anything you can do to. To kind of get people immersed in the story, it will just lead to. To a better listening experience. And, yeah, over the years, it's just been, like, a matter of trying to figure out, you know, little tips and tricks to do that. But, yeah, Binaural is interesting because you don't really hear it too much, like, outside of maybe, like, sound effects recordings. Like, there's not really a place for it because, like, you know, in music, like, usually the vocal is kind of like, for it to. For you to be able to hear things. Well, it kind of has to be, like, right down the middle. And, you know, same with, like, dialogue and movies. Like it. There's not really too many good applications for it. And so that's why audio erotica is so cool. It's like one of the few mediums where, like, you or video games also has, like, a lot of binaural, actually.
- [07:36]
John
Yeah.
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Nordio
Um, but yeah, there's. There's not too many mediums for it, and so I just think it's such a cool thing when you can use it. And yeah, it just really works for. For audio erotica.
- [07:45]
John
Do you think as. As we, you know, as. As technology progresses and we get better and better, you know, earphones and headphones and AirPods and all, you know, how we consume our music, our audio content is, you know, the standard is getting better for every home. Do you think we're going to see more of, you know, more creators, more people in the industry, like, pushing the boundaries of what, because it's more accessible with the listener? Cause they'll probably have decent headphones that can pick it all up and hear it, et cetera?
- [08:16]
Nordio
Oh, yeah. It's just gonna get better and better, right? And everyone's just gonna want to push the boundaries in terms of how immersed they can be in it. You see that with virtual reality and all that stuff, and it's just gonna get. It's just gonna keep getting better and better. It's kind of inevitable until we're all just like hologram projections, like, Ready Player one or something, and hearing everything in real time. And I think, you know, it's just that people want to. Want to escape and, you know, people want to be entertained. And I think it's just. That's. That's what's always pushing everything. Everything forward. And it's. It's going to be interesting to see how that all kind of unfolds in the coming years.
- [08:57]
John
Yeah. I'm going off on a little tangent by asking you this, so please bear with me, but where do you like all that sort of virtual reality stuff? And because it really is, like, the idea of, like, existing within the Internet and existing within this sort of virtual world rather than just even just looking at a screen. How do you sort of like, where are you on that spectrum? Because I find myself, like, excited at the prospect and think it's, like, really good, but then also a little bit worried because I think with my temperament, I will never get off it. I think that will be my existence, you know.
- [09:30]
Nordio
Yeah. And I think that's kind of the problem with the Internet in general. Like it's kind of a double edged sword where it's like there's this sense of community building and being able to connect with people, but then it's kind of like how, how real is that connection and are you just escaping versus using it as like I guess a tool to enhance connection and yeah, everyone's different in terms of like how they handle it. Like I'm sure there, there's so many people who have great stories in terms of like finding their people that they never would have been in a community with outside of, you know, things like the Internet and virtual reality or anything like that. But then, you know, I'm sure there's the flip side of the coin where people, what's the phrase, like touching grass? Like a lot of people don't do that so much. Like I'm sure, yeah, double edged sword. But yeah, it's just like, like with any, anything really. Like it's just a matter of moderation and being able to, to manage, you know, just like how, how crazy it's affecting your dopamine, right? Like too much of anything isn't a good thing.
- [10:32]
John
Absolutely. But yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, talking about moderation, we know that the create. To be able to create an audio, it's, it takes a lot of work and there's a lot of steps to break down and we love diving into the creative processes on this show and it is a huge question to ask right off the bat, I admit, but feel like a typical Quinn audio. Could you, would you mind like talking us through your process from you know, like forming ideas to write, then at the end to them being enjoyed on the platform? Like what does your sort of typical process includes? What does it look like for you?
- [11:08]
Nordio
Yeah, absolutely. I'd love to. So, so I can't really talk about my process without talking about my wife. Like the behind every man is a is a great woman sentiment applies very strongly here. She, she's such a huge part of Nadio and she's been very closely involved from the beginning. Not just with like the creative stuff, but when I used to have like social media and buy me a coffee and like pretty much everything outside of production. We've been navigating all of this together and I know I, and I just think it's time that my lovely wife finally got some recognition and she's not like writing scripts or anything like that for me, but we are always, like brainstorming ideas together and things like how to make sure things like consent is clear in the story and just bouncing ideas off each other all the time. But yeah, we've been together a long time and we've known each other since we were teenagers and she just. She's always helped me get from A to B and, you know, gives me the confidence to just go for it. But yeah, I never would have gotten this far without her. And she's such a huge part of making audios and navigating everything. But that's amazing, like, in terms of actual process. Sorry, that was kind of a.
- [12:24]
John
No, that's amazing tangent there.
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Nordio
Yeah, but so in terms of like, how an audio actually comes together and please stop me if you have any questions or else I'm just going to panic, ramble, like I'm doing. But yeah, so we have like a long list of ideas and concepts for audios that we're always adding to. And I also used to have a Patreon where people could request ideas. But yeah, like, depending on what we feel like we should do to mix it up week to week, I'll kind of run with an idea based on one of those. And, you know, just to make sure that I'm not doing the same thing over and over, I'll kind of try to, like, switch it up week to week, but I'll start, like with an outline. And I don't know how it is for you, but definitely writing is the most difficult part for me. Like, it takes me so long to kind of like lay everything out and to get it all down on paper from my head. Do you find that that's the case for you too?
- [13:26]
John
I think it depends what day. I mean, yes, I think it's definitely the most challenging and also the most frustrating. I think I would say, like, for me, it's post production, but I think it's because it's the part that I'm least. I still love it and I still get excited by it, but it's the thing that I'm least passionate about is the editing, you know, But I totally get what you mean with the. With the writing, because it's been able. This is something that maybe I can ask you a little bit more about later on as we get by. But I think that one of the reasons why writing such a challenge is because you're doing it so consistently with writing.
- [13:59]
Nordio
It's just there's. There's no end in sight. Like, you can just keep going and going and going and going. But like, with recording and editing, it's like, it's kind of. For me, it's just like putting the puzzle pieces together, like everything. Like, I have a bird's eye view of everything and there's like a clear path of what needs to happen. And so that helps me get to the other side of that. But with writing, it's like an endless blank canvas, which is a lot. And like, I. Sometimes, I just don't know when to stop. Sometimes I'm like, was that enough? And so it's really hard for me to kind of wrangle all of that down into something coherent. But yeah, like, once I. Once I feel like I have an outline or a script that I feel good about, then. Then I go record and, you know, I'm. But before that, I'm kind of like running things by my wife and like, you know, should I do this? Should it go this way? And she's very much the. The director and executive producer for Nadio, and she'll give like some brilliant suggestions, you know, here and there that all that I'll throw in before I record.
- [15:02]
John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And which I think, I also think is so great because, you know, when you're, when you're creating these things by yourself, you can get. You can really get tunnel vision and in your own head and it's like really difficult to predict how things will really sound or how they'll land. And so she's always just, you know, tells me how it is and like, and if something is off or it needs work here and there and. Yeah. Just always gives great suggestions that improve things immensely. Yeah. Sometimes she doesn't, though, I gotta be honest. Sometimes she also has. She also has many ideas that I hard disagree with. We call them her cursed audio concepts or CACs as she likes to call them.
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John
Nice.
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Nordio
And like, she'll just think of a ridiculous title. Like, I don't like, oh God, what was it? Like a blanket. Blanket Wink it or Jellicoe balls or something. And then. And then she'll be like, yeah, here's. Here's a good idea. And I'll be like, okay, what am I, what am I supposed to do with that? And she'll be like, I don't know, you're the writer, figure it out. And I'm just like, okay, whatever. But like, aside from those, aside from those, we have a good, you know, ideation process. And, you know, then I'll have a good. I'll have a script that I feel good about and then I'll go and record and recording for me is the easiest part. Like once, once I press record, it's just like Nadio, the character kind of takes over.
- [16:35]
John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And I just kind of let him. That's so much fun for me to play this character who can be so many different people week to week. Like, some days, you know, I'm the nervous submissive guy, and then the next week I'm like the dominant evil villain guy and everything in between. And it's just, it's so much fun to play with that and explore. And I hope that the listeners can tell how much fun I'm having when I'm acting. A lot of the times I just laugh because I'm just having so much fun. And I'll try to leave those in sometimes if they're not too embarrassing. But yeah. And then after that, it's editing.
- [17:17]
John
You say that you were no stranger to audio production. Do you find that the editing side of it comes pretty easily? And as you say, it's just fit in the pieces of the puzz. Is that how you'd sort of look at the whole sort of post production side of things?
- [17:30]
Nordio
Yeah, for sure. It's just like kind of piecing everything together. And, you know, I can get a little carried away. Like I. When I start editing and I'm start, you know, throwing sound effects in, that part's super fun for me. But the problem is I can spend like hours and hours and hours just like on like a tiny little section which probably isn't great for time management, but just like on one little section, I'm just trying to make sure that it really sounds like, I don't know, I'm entering a spaceship or something. But yeah, I think sound design is really important because I think we've just gotten so used to. And I'm kind of just speaking from my standards here, but I just think we've gotten so used to and spoiled with Netflix and all of these shows with crazy high production value where there's a whole team of sound engineers and foley artists in the credits that just make everything sound incredible. And you know, when, when we're listening to something and it doesn't sound up to that level sometimes or. Yeah. At least in my head, like those little things can like take the listener out of it. But in reality, probably no one notices. But. But yeah, this is like the kind of standard I set for myself is like the smallest things, like, hey, I'm gonna walk over there. And then there's like no footsteps.
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John
Yeah.
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Nordio
I'll always think that, like, you Know, that might take the listener out of it. So I spend a lot of time just trying to make things feel as realistic as I can because, you know, the more a listener can let themselves sink deeper into the fantasy, the more immersive and better the listening experience will be.
- [19:15]
John
Oh, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. When it, when it, when an audio. So the process is done. The audio is coming out. Where are you on drop day? Are you by the comments? Are you, you know, taking a break away from the screen? Like, how was your sort of. What's your sort of typical sort of day in the life? Like, on a, On a drop day? Like, how close are you to that.
- [19:36]
Nordio
Painting on a, On a drop day? I am, I am out. I am not looking at my screen. I am taking a break. I am grabbing a. Grabbing a coffee somewhere. I am just. It's, for me, it's just like, kind of like, all right, another, another. Another one for the books. Yeah, and. And, yeah, I'm not really, like, reading comments or anything like that. I'm just. I'm just trying to almost like, pat myself on the back for being like, all right, I did it again. Like, I'm not, I'm not a complete phony. I can actually do this work. Like, it's like I've been. I've been putting out an audio every Tuesday for two years, and I'm just like, am I like, I don't know. So I'm. I'm just trying to, I guess, like, be. Be patient with myself and like, you know, try to reinforce that. That I can. I can really do this work. And a big part of that is like, taking a walk and like, you know, just taking a break from stuff until I. Until it's time to. Time to write again for the next drop.
- [20:36]
John
Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. So you passed a certain milestone not too long ago, which is mind blowing. So you reached, well, now actually surpassed 10 million plays, which is just astounding. Crazy, you know, it's crazy numbers. What comes to mind if I ask you, you know, over the, over those two years, over the, you know, the millions and millions of plays and all the rest of it, what comes to mind if I ask you if you have, like, if you had any challenges with this mad world, you know, that you had to overcome to get to this stage?
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Nordio
Yeah, like, 10 million is crazy. I still don't understand it, but it blows my mind to think about it. But, yeah, in terms of challenges, like, you know, the early challenges are still the current challenges. Like, there's. There's no manual for how to be an anonymous erotic voice actor. Right? Or at least if you know of one, let me know. But as far as I know, it's, it's a, I'm kind of charting new territory here. And you know, from the beginning, we've, we've always tried to view Nadio as sex work. And I know not, not everyone sees it that way, but it's just how we've always approached it. And like, even in the early days of Nadio, we thought that, like, I had to be in character at all times. Like, just because we thought that's what people wanted and we thought, you know, and that's what was working to build a following. And we really pushed that character on different platforms like Instagram and Tick Tock and Buy Me a Coffee, just because that's what we thought we had to do. And like, we, we thought that, you know, we didn't know how long this was going to last. Like, I didn't, like, I, if you would have told me I'd be doing this two years from now, I'd be like, what? But, so, but we didn't know that at the time. And we thought we had to like strike while the iron was hot, you know, and so just lots of trial and error and we had to pivot a number of times to make sure that we were comfortable and just like, yeah, just figuring it all out as we go. One of the biggest challenges, I think, is it can be easy for people to forget that the A in VA stands for actor. And you know, I'm an actor, I'm just acting. But because the acting that I do is very intimate and that direct to listener perspective is so engaging, sometimes that interactive desire can like, extend outside of the fantasy for some people.
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John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And Orcus, who's another great Quinn creator, Orcus Auditory, he had this sentiment that I always think about and I might butcher this here, but he kind of said like, whatever people are connecting to in our audios isn't coming from us, but it's coming through us. And you should find what it is that you're connecting with outside of audios, in real life and not just in these works of fiction. We're like a self discovery tool and you should follow that curiosity. And I think that's just another thing that makes audio erotica so beautiful. Something I see all the time is someone saying, like, I didn't know I was into that, but I guess I'm into that and I think that's awesome. And I think, you know, People should, should follow that desire and follow that curiosity in real life. But yeah, just to be careful not to rely on, on creators for this to be the source of that. Have you felt that at all? Has that been true for you as, as a public creator? Because I know it can be different for, for some of us anonymous creators.
- [24:22]
John
I think I really resonate with what you're saying and I think also that the quote, the statement from Walkers is beautiful by the way. I've never heard that before. I've never thought about it like that before but it really, you know, just hit something within me. I think there you. My experiences. I can only talk about my experience and I am fairly new to this game so I imagine, you know, if I'm lucky enough to, to do this for another year or two or you know, hopefully for as long as ever. But however long I'm able to do this for, I imagine it will change. But I think that, you know, I have a, I've had a really small number of negative, you know, interactions or like boundary crossing interactions. Like a very small number. So the.
- [25:06]
Nordio
Who are they, John? I'll find them. I'm just kidding.
- [25:09]
John
I'll tell you when we stop. But yeah, so at this stage I feel like it's manageable. But I am, interestingly enough, as each day goes on getting less and less interested in keeping up with my social media. And I think it's because I can like see, I can feel in my own head like the warning lights of. You're getting too addicted to this. Because before I was addicted to just scrolling. Now I'm addicted to finding out what people are saying about me, which I think that's. That can't be healthy, you know.
- [25:41]
Nordio
Yeah. And I think, you know, it was kind of hard like in the beginning to navigate all of that for us as well. And it's just, that's why I think it's so important for creators like us to connect with each other. And I've been very lucky to connect with a bad influence. Like we're really good friends now and it's, you know, we're kind of navigating all this together in real time and we text all the time and it's kind of crazy how just being able to send memes to someone makes you feel a sense of community.
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John
Oh no, it does though, doesn't it?
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Nordio
It really does. It's so dumb, but it really does. But yeah, we're all kind of navigating this together. And you know, John, obviously you can hit me up anytime I think it's really important that we all kind of stick to this together. And I got your back, so you.
- [26:35]
John
Have no idea how much that means to me, man. I really appreciate it. But you, you're so right. And I think also like, I mean obviously for the, for the well being side of this, it's so important. But as you were saying earlier as well, with your own process, you, you one can get very much into like an echo chamber if they're recording on their own or mostly like I always find like in the writing aspects this is the most challenging part in the sense of like if you're in an echo chamber because you get to a point we have no idea if anything's any good or not, as you were saying before. So it's like, I think the idea, you know, if you're lucky enough to, to know people who, you know, other creators or people who are doing similar things and you're able to just go listen, is this, tell me I'm gonna send you a fight, I'm gonna send you something. Tell me if I'm off my head. And you know, so I think for all aspects of that the communication is so important.
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Nordio
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, we're, we're all just trying to figure out this, this crazy world as we go. Yeah. And so yeah, it's really important to, to have each other's back there.
- [27:33]
John
Yeah. You, you mentioned how one of, one of the most gorgeous things about this work and you know, the Quinn as a platform and things is that the listeners can find, you know, listeners can listen to something that they didn't necessarily believe that they were into and you know, have a, have a sort of. I had no idea that that would hit this, you know, hit a spot. But he did and that's amazing. And then also you find it not just you know, like sexually but you also find like other revelations like you know, people find like they like a certain type of humor or a certain type of personality or a certain type of friend or make all these revelations from it. So asking this and you know, and be as brief or as you know, what however you'd like to answer. I just kind of wondered if making these audios week by week, you know, getting to know this world as well as anyone can know it, has it sort of changed any aspect of you away from the micro? Has it, has it made any sort of, you know, either confidence or any, any sort of area like that?
- [28:35]
Nordio
Yeah, absolutely. Like, like, like I was saying, it's a self discovery tool. Right. And and that, that holds true for me too. Like, it's, it's just really opened up a lot of, of great conversations with my friends and people close to me and like, yeah, just also, I, I can't deny that, you know, putting out something and like, you know, feeling pretty good about it has made me feel pretty confident in myself as an artist. But yeah, I think, you know, there's, there's. And I think I've heard you talk about this before, John, where it's like, there's something so fulfilling to like our inner artists to be able to create this thing and to build and to make this thing. And like the whole time we're doubting ourselves and like, oh, does this suck? Or like, actually wait, this is the best thing ever and where we're just working on this thing and then when we release it out into the world and like, if, you know, if we're lucky and people resonate with it, that is like the most gratifying thing ever. Like, it's such a rush and it's so scary and it's vulnerable. But yeah, it's like the most fulfilling thing when people like it. And you know, I've been an artist at heart my whole life and there's like this deep sense of fulfillment I get when I create something and people like it. And I've just really found that with audio erotica and every Tuesday I work really hard on making this thing and it's very challenging and I'm like, oh God, does it suck? And then when it finally goes alive and people like it. Not everyone likes everything, of course. Everyone has their own tastes. But it's so cool when, yeah, it feels really good to bring joy into people's lives. And with, with Quinn, I get to do that every week. And I just, I feel so lucky that I get to do that.
- [30:25]
John
Yeah, absolutely. Are there any, are there any sort of, I want to say non negotiables, but I'm really talking like maybe habits, big or small, that you sort of. You find yourself having to do before, you know, you were able to sort of flick that switch and be creative either in the booth or in the, you know, in the writing process or anything. Is there, is there anything that's sort of like a non negotiable for you?
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Nordio
I wish, like, honestly, like John, like from, from we. I'm just trying to minimize procrastination and imposter syndrome as much as possible. And, and for me, like, I guess, like for a habit, I guess, knowing that there is a deadline and Knowing that people are looking forward to what I'm. What I'm making. I just don't want to let them down. And so, yeah, if you're a chronic people pleaser, there's no bigger motivator than a deadline that might let people down. So if you can call that a habit, I guess deadlines would be it. But honestly, I'm a mess, John. I don't know what I'm doing. I'm just trying to get through this thing every week. And yeah, it's so great when it's finally out there and something to feel good about.
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John
Oh, do you know, I've never resonated with an answer so much in my life.
- [31:43]
Nordio
I wish I could give you, like, oh, yeah, like, I need to have this and that. But I'm just. It's just. It's chaos, John. I don't know what I'm doing, man.
- [31:49]
John
Oh, it's like. It's so funny because those questions are really sort of geared up to, oh, I need to do like 15 minutes of yoga and then I do my breathing. The truth is, like, so much like, if I can get to. If I can put my phone down and get in front, you know, get in front of that microphone without, like, being distracted by like, a noise outside or like, you know, the lure of something else, or like, you know, I can smell bacon from downstairs, so I'm.
- [32:12]
Nordio
Gonna go down, you know, distracted by bacon too. John. I. It's every time, it's always the bacon. I'm usually pretty. Like, once I hit record, I'm usually pretty good. I think it's probably because I have ocd and I'm like, oh, is this memory card gonna run out? I gotta, like, get it. I gotta get this all in here or else it's gonna. Or else I'm gonna have to re record something. So usually I'm pretty locked in when I'm recording. But yeah, like, once I have everything in, like, editing and the editing software, I'm like, every little thing is distracting me. Like, every little noise, I'm like, squirrel. And then I'm like, you know, looking like I. And then the bacon again, John. It's the worst. But, you know, we get through it. And so, yeah, it's not so much a matter of, like, little habits of trying to do to get into the zone. It's minimizing everything that gets us out of the zone, I guess, is probably, you know, what we're trying to do.
- [33:07]
John
So you mentioned how you have, like, a bank of ideas, then you would like, you know, pick one and you flesh it out and all that sort of thing for the week. Like, with it being, you know, with a bank of ideas, were you needing to add to it so consistently? Is this, like, something that's constantly sort of on your mind as ideas come throughout the day, or do you have, like, dedicated, like, brainstorming sessions and keep it kind of, like, separated?
- [33:31]
Nordio
Yeah, yeah. I mean, so if I'm lucky, like, an idea will just kind of pop into my head that I think is good, and then I'll write that down. But, like, yeah, just while I'm making dinner or something. My wife and I are constantly passing back and forth ideas, and I have a running list of requests, and sometimes we'll mash up a bunch of ideas together to make something. But, yeah, we're constantly always talking about story ideas in a really fun way that we never really did before. I started doing audio erotica. And it's like, we'll just be out and about and, like, you know, any little thing. It's like, oh, maybe there's an audio in that song. Like, the most random shit. But, like, yeah. And, you know, I don't know how it is for you, but, like, when I'm trying to go to sleep, that's when. That's when most of the ideas start flowing a lot. But yeah, now. Now it's just this crazy list and it's like, you know, maybe a lot of them are repeat ideas. But yeah, that's like, you know, and then we're also thinking kind of what I mentioned earlier, like, oh, should I've done too many of these kinds of audios? Like, maybe I should do, like, do I need another kind of, like, boyfriend one? Like, what kind of concepts do. Should we do for that that we haven't done before? Yeah, just trying to mix it up all the time and trying to offer a wide menu of options to the listeners because, you know, everyone likes different stuff and a lot of people hate certain concepts and a lot of people love certain concepts. So I think it's important as a creator to kind of offer a wide menu of options for people to be like, okay, this might not be my thing, but next week, this one is good. And so, you know, after two years later of doing this, I think there's something for everybody.
- [35:25]
John
If you are approaching an audio that isn't necessarily your bag, like, on the front of it. Do you, like, how do you sort of approach that as an actor, like, to find your in and to make that, like, you know, passion from it. Is it like a. Like, how do you sort of gauge that?
- [35:42]
Nordio
Yeah, I mean, like, if I. If I had it my way and I could do any audio I wanted with, like, in terms of what would be easiest for me, I would probably just do, like, a boyfriend audio each week, just because that's what. That's what kind of comes most naturally for me. Like, I would just do something, you know, like classic, like, pretty vanilla, like, romance, something each week. Like, that's what feels the most natural to me. But I wanted. I want to challenge myself as an artist, and I know that, like, I am creating something for an audience who has different tastes than mine. And so that's. It's challenging, but it's also super fun to try and see where I can take these characters. And, yeah, like, to channel my inner villain, as I call it, sometimes that's also really fun. And to just kind of step out of my own creative comfort zone always leads to really exciting things that people resonate with. And so, yeah, once I hit record and I have a concept in mind, it's like, it's trying to just let go and it's trying to, like, just see. See where I can take it. And, you know, I. I know I can always, like, rerecord if something doesn't sound right and if something, like, comes across as phony or something, like, just in case. But yeah, it's. It's. It's been really scary to try and play, you know, some, like, darker roles that may not be, you know, what I'm. What I'm used to in real life. But, like, those have been some of the most fun roles to, like, be the bad guy. And. And, yeah, like, the feedback on it has been pretty good. And so it's just. It's really fun to. To. To act and to play these characters.
- [37:28]
John
Yeah, I mean. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong and stuff. I always find if you're gonna. If you're gonna play. I always said when I narrate audiobooks and things, if I can play like a dick, like a real asshole. And he's like, it's the most fun. And, like, you feel. It's so therapeutic. Just been there and, like, you know, not having to worry about, like, how you said it or if you came across aggressive or came across as rude, because that's the point. And it's like, you feel like, oh, God, it's like, makes the world go around, that sort of stuff.
- [37:58]
Nordio
There's a little bit of catharsis, isn't it? Like and, and just being a complete asshole. I think it's so much fun. And like, yeah, it's, it's. I feel a bit, a bit naughty being like, oh, I would never do something like that. But like we have this safe space and we know it's under the guise of fiction to play this character and just giving yourself patience to try new things and just have fun with it and just doing that week to week and knowing that I might be getting a little bit better at it each time just sort of gives me the confidence to go for it. But yeah, it's so much fun being an asshole if I'm going to be honest.
- [38:38]
John
I think it's so wonderful because as you say as well, sort of exploring those things will like get to play in a world that you wouldn't necessarily bring into, you know, the real world. That's exactly what the listeners doing also. So it's kind of gorgeous that we're all doing this together in the same, you know, for all these things. It's really lovely. Now you mentioned vulnerability a few times and I think I already know the answer to this. But as somebody with as many, you know, plays with as many like adoring listeners as you have this, does the idea of putting out, you know, and being vulnerable in an audience, does that ever go away or is it all, is it just nerve wracking?
- [39:14]
Nordio
No, absolutely not. It's, it's, it's like it's. Yeah, we're putting out very, very intimate recordings of ourselves into, into the world for, for lots of people to listen to. Yeah. But yeah, that's, that's what makes it so, so, so fun. We're just, we're putting out our art and this and to see where it lands. But I mean like, honestly like what, what's, what can be actually scary sometimes is like as an anonymous creator, at first it was like, you know, we didn't really, really feel comfortable with people knowing anything about us. And so we just have to be really careful about like any piece of information that I might put into an audio like could be something that people use to cross a boundary. And so like that's what I'm like kind of thinking about sometimes. And you know, because we want to be very protective of that. Yeah. And yeah, with audio erotica I had that opportunity to stay private and we really value our peace and privacy. But yeah, like, you know, two years later doing this work and kind of re evaluating what we can do to feel safe and comfortable, like we realize it's probably good for people to know that, you know, I'm married and that I'm a real person with a real life outside of the characters that I portray in my audios and that I'm just a guy, John. I'm just a normal, normal, boring guy. And like that's, you know, that's what's vulnerable. But yeah, and I think a large part is that like, you know, I have had some boundaries crossed from time to time and I think a large part of that is because I am an anonymous creator and so I just don't seem real. Like my tagline is real fictional man. But right now the, there is like an imbalance towards the fictional part. So we think that, you know, pulling back the curtain a little and also adding some, some distance is, is just healthier for everyone. Yeah, so yeah, there's a little, there's vulnerability there and you know, and also like safety in being anonymous, that we can protect our peace that way. Yeah, but, but yeah, all those challenges aside and you know, we're very fortunate now to be in a position to really take a step back and think like, what are we most comfortable with and how can we prioritize our own safety and comfort to keep doing this work down the road? And that's just to keep focusing on creating audios. And I have a manager now who has been really helpful for the day to day housekeeping stuff and so I can just focus on what matters the most for me which is making good audios. And I think that's all that people really want at the end of the day is the audios to listen to. And I just have so much fucking fun making these things, John. And it's just such a fun job and I just want to keep doing it. Yeah, sorry, kind of a tangent. Random.
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John
Gorgeous.
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Nordio
It's a. But yeah, it's trying to connect that with, with being vulnerable and stuff.
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John
But yeah, well, this is the thing and please, I appreciate that this is, this is a big question to spring upon you, but I've, I've been fortunate enough to have, you know, talked and had conversations and you know, interviewed a fair few on this show of anonymous creators and, and what the conversations that we've had is often this, this sort of people wanting, you know, listeners really not, not you know, platforms but listeners wanting people to do like face reveals or be a little bit like less anonymous than they perhaps are. And that is, that is in itself for most people an extreme cross of, you know, boundaries across, of trust and, and to have that expectation put upon you and I just wondered if you had any sort of advice for those, you know, creators, perhaps even creators that are just starting out, you know, anonymous creators, specifically, if you had any advice of, like, how to sort of deal with that pressure.
- [43:08]
Nordio
Yes, yes, absolutely. I mean, so first and foremost, it's. It's all about prioritizing your comfort and your safety because I think it's all about longevity. And it can be really easy to. To get caught up in feeling like you owe people more and more of yourself than what you might be willing to give. But that just, you know, that just makes it more likely that. That you might burn out. So it's really important to check in and know that it's okay to have boundaries and it's okay to have distance, to feel safe. And like we were talking about earlier, connecting with other, other creators has, has really helped to sort of like, reinforce, like, those, those. Those boundaries and to know that it's okay to, like, feel safe and whatever you're comfortable with. But yeah, it's, it's like, you know, it's. It's okay to change, it's okay to pivot. You don't, like, if you have to feel like you're stuck doing something, like, because, yeah, at the end of the day, like, everything outside of audios is kind of a bonus. And so, like, yeah, I just think it's so important to focus on the work. And, you know, maybe you were comfortable at one point doing one thing and then like, you know, realizing, like, okay, like, maybe I would feel much more safe if I did it this way instead. And, like, that's perfectly fine. And yeah, we're. There's. That. We're kind of, you know, in. In. In a new, like, territory here. Like, it's. It's kind of crazy how erotica, especially erotica, aimed at women, has. It's been around for a while, but it's kind of only been mainstream for a very short time. Right. And so, like, how the audience engages with the content is still kind of being navigated in real time. So it's okay to, like, you know, change things up to what you're. What you're comfortable with as a creator. And especially, you know, the, the romance genre of books, as I've heard you read. You've read a couple of those, John? Yeah, a few. It's really made erotica much more mainstream and acceptable, which is really, really cool. And like, you know that. That kind of the shame around erotica has, has been taken out of it. And yeah, it's, it's it's just such this new medium now that we're in audio erotica. It's still so new, and so creators and listeners are still kind of navigating it in real time. And so how we engage with each other outside of those works is still. Is still shifting and changing as it gets more popular. So. So it's just all about doing what makes you feel comfortable as a creator and it's okay to change, you know?
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John
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I think that's a really fantastic answer. It's gonna be so helpful. And you're absolutely right about being like a new arena, you know, relatively speaking. And I think, you know, I think also going back to, like, you know, from the creator's standpoint is so exciting. The idea that, you know, that you might be making something that's, like, the first time that, you know, it's been like, you know, been heard on this platform or it's your, you know, your way of tackling a story is going to be an original take on something. And, you know, you don't get many things, you know, in this day and age where you can say the same.
- [46:28]
Nordio
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's. It's. It's a new. It's a new place to express things that. That haven't really been explored before. And so I think it's so much fun to just have fun with it and to explore that. And it's a little risky. Maybe some stuff might not land, but that's part of the fun of being in this new arena, as you put it.
- [46:55]
John
Yeah, absolutely. So to finish us off as we go into this last section, I have a few quick fire questions from my gorgeous Patreon community that I'd love to ask you on their behalf, if that's okay.
- [47:08]
Nordio
Absolutely. Go for it.
- [47:09]
John
By the way, just on a side note, the amount of comments asking me to say hi to Greg's mum. Ridiculous. Like, ridiculous.
- [47:18]
Nordio
Do I need to explain that or are we just gonna leave it at that?
- [47:21]
John
You can explain it. Absolutely.
- [47:25]
Nordio
I mean, I don't know how much crossover there is between people who listen to Quinn stuff and just. Just like the romance book genre here. But, yeah, Greg is. He's a character that I've randomly thrown in my audios. Just. I don't even know where it started, but in one of my stories, I needed a character to interrupt something and they needed a name because otherwise it would be confusing if it was a listener or if it was me. So it needed to be a third party who came in and I use the name Greg and he's just become a recurring character even outside of my own audios. I know some other creators use Greg as just this asshole who like interrupts things or whatever and I think that's so funny that he's kind of become part of Quinn lore. But yeah, I did do an audio where things got a little risque with Greg's mom one time so. Hi, John's Patreon. I'll tell Greg's mom that same. I guess that would be.
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John
That's so that's such a funny idea, you know. Well, so our first question comes from Kira who asks what's the most difficult feedback that you've ever received and how did it help you grow?
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Nordio
Oh man. The most difficult feedback that I've received. Maybe something that maybe that like, you know, in my audios I do try to, to play like a character that I might not be comfortable with going off the deep end enough I guess. And so I. Sometimes people just don't think I'm, I'm being rough enough, you know, or I'm not being dark enough or like I like I'm not being dark romance enough. And yeah, it's just like I do too many consent check ins, you know, which might take away from like the rough element but you know, I think it's, it's, it's a lot. It's always better to have more consent check ins than less and you know, if the negative for that is being like oh, I got taken out of this audio because there was too much consent involved. And that's, that's, that's a, that's a tough comment that I'm willing to take. So I'm okay with that.
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John
Yeah, that's. That's a difficult one. That.
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Nordio
Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know like how much like of the, the dark romance genre you've been involved in. But yeah, it can be, it can be pretty tricky to, to navigate a lot of that stuff. And so yeah and, and you know, we're never going to please everyone all the time so it's just doing whatever we're calling comfortable with. Right.
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John
Yeah. Yeah. 100. The next question comes from Steph Stormblast who asks what's your. I like this one. I really like this one. What's your least favorite part about being anonymous?
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Nordio
My least favorite part about being anonymous is probably, probably just being scared that I'm gonna say something and fuck it all up. Like the constant, the constant worrying like oh, did I just give my home address and Social Security number on accident. I might have. I don't know. It's just constantly. Yeah. Just having to be a little bit worried if I just messed it all up. But yeah, the pros outweigh the cons for me. Like, it's just, it's so nice being able to just, to just go to a cafe or whatever, just go out and about and, you know, no one's recognized my voice in public. And yeah, I'm a private person. I like living a quiet, peace, peaceful life. Yeah. And yeah, like it's, it's, it's just so, it's, it's nice to be able to, to have like my own little, it's almost like a little secret identity. Like I get to pretend to be Batman sometimes, John, and not many people get to do that. And so I think it's also, it's also kind of fun. Oh yeah. But yeah, that's, that's probably. It is just like worrying, you know, like, if I just fucked it all up somehow. Am I allowed to swear? I'm sorry?
- [51:39]
John
Oh, yeah, no, of course, of course.
- [51:41]
Nordio
Okay, cool.
- [51:42]
John
The people who've listened to this show have heard much worse.
- [51:44]
Nordio
Okay.
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John
So this next question comes from Amano, who asks, what's your Roman Empire?
- [51:54]
Nordio
What's my Roman Empire? Like, kind of something that I think about all the time.
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John
I had to Google it before joining, you know, before we started this call, just to double check the meaning. But yes, something that you think about on a, on a day basis.
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Nordio
Oh man. Lately it's been like I'm always thinking about ideas for audios and there's been one that's kind of just been haunting me to do for a long time. And maybe I'll run it by you. You can tell me what you think. But yeah, I've had this idea for an audio for like a long time now and I know how to do it, but I just don't, don't know what to include in it. So tell me if this makes sense. So I want to do a guided couple's audio, but the audio will be split between the left and the right channel. So like the listener will have an earbud in their left ear and their partner will have the earbud in their right ear. And they'll each have independent instructions that only they can hear. And so there's so much you can do with that. Like, you know, like maybe I'm feeding them lines that they don't know, like what's going to happen or they don't know, like who's gonna say what? Or it could be. It could be like a rough roleplay thing. Like, it could be a softer, romantic thing or a multi audio series. Like, it could be. It could be so many different things. And like, we just keep going back and forth on, like, what exactly it should be, and we never land on like, oh, like, that would probably. That might be weird for, like, you know, the partner if they're hearing my voice. Like, maybe it should be a woman's voice. Like, we just don't know what to include. And so it's at this point, like, it's something we know that would be really cool because the ultimate goal with it would be like, you know, creating a fun and playful connection with your partner to explore each other and to, like, learn and share new things about each other and to open up a conversation so that listeners can feel comfortable sharing Quinn with their partner.
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John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And yeah, just like, you know, another thing that I'll see from time to time is someone will say, like, my husband thanks you very much for this audience. So this would be a way for couples to listen together instead of separately. So just like a way to. A way to bridge that gap. And so we're. It's kind of been haunting us. We don't know what to include in it, when and thinking through in terms of how it would sound and what to actually include with it. But, like, yeah, it would. It's definitely something we can do, like, technically, like, in terms of splitting the audio for, like, individual listening. But yeah, that's kind of been my Roman Empire. I just don't know what. What to include with it.
- [54:34]
John
But that is a crazy. I mean, that's a genre. That's a. That's not an idea. That's a genre. You've created a whole new, like, thing.
- [54:42]
Nordio
And if you invest now, John, I can get you in.
- [54:45]
John
Don't. Because I would. I'm sold.
- [54:49]
Nordio
But yeah, I mean, there's so many ways you could take it. But yeah, I think it'd be something really cool to hear.
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John
That is. That'd be game changing. I think. I really. Yeah. Okay, let's. Let's chat about that.
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Nordio
Yeah, definitely. Definitely in the works. But yeah, it's just like there's. There's so many ways it could go.
- [55:08]
John
Oh, God, yeah. Okay. That's gonna. That's gonna keep me up all night thinking about that, you know, I'm sorry.
- [55:13]
Nordio
Welcome. Welcome to my terrible Roman Empire.
- [55:15]
John
You know, so Eliza Jane asks or says, really? Naudio is one of the funniest creators On Quinn. Is it hard to keep being funny even when you're not feeling like a. Oh, stop it. Is it difficult to keep that up? Like, is it, like, you know.
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Nordio
You know, it's a. It's a curse just being so damn funny all the time now. I don't know. Like, I do. I do always try to inject moments of humor in my audios where I can, because those. Those kind of do just come up naturally, like, as I'm writing. And a lot of times, as one of the ways that I write is like, like, talking out loud and then kind of improvising and then, like, making note of stuff later, like, oh, that was actually, like. So I. I'm. Instead of, like, writing and then performing, my. My writing process is like, I'm. I. I talk, I perform, and then I write down, like, what I think what I think might have worked.
- [56:12]
John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And. And a lot of times I'm saying, like, really corny, John. I'm saying some, like, dumb stuff that I think is funny, and if I think it's okay, I'll sneak that into an audio. So. And I just think it's really. In, like, you know, traditional porn, you hardly ever hear, like, moments of, like, that are, like, funny and, like, you know, that's unrealistic. Like, in real life. Like, I think there's just, like, all these little awkward moments and, like, little comedic things that are happening all the time. And I think, like, having those little moments of levity really adds to the realistic experience. So, yeah, whenever I can, I try to throw in a little something funny if it's not too corny here.
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John
Oh, yeah, I get. People love it. People absolutely eat over the spoon. Kerry. The last question from the Patreon community, it comes from Kerry, which is, who asks, what do you feel are some common misconceptions about the work of an audio erotica voice actor?
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Nordio
You know, we're. We're so locked in, and there's so much that goes on behind the scenes of. Of making audio, like writing, acting, recording, like, all the technical stuff, like microphones. And so it can be. Yeah, it can just be really caught. You can get really caught up in the. The movie magic of it all when, as a listener. And it can be really hard to, you know, to think what is acting and what isn't. And so I think, yeah, for me, it's a misconception, is that, you know, something isn't fantasy and that it's not fiction and that, like, you know, separating the. The character from the actor is. Is A big one. And yeah, so I think it's. And a lot of that does come from me being an anonymous creator. And like, so I'm much more fictional. And so it's really easy to put it on that side of the scale. But, yeah, the common misconception, for me at least, would be that everything in my audio is true all the time. You know, that it's nonfiction, but, yeah, it's very much fantasy, very much fiction. I'm very much just an actor just trying to make something fun for everyone to listen to.
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John
Yeah, yeah, I totally get that. Totally get. Thank you so much for answering those, by the way. I really appreciate it. Have we. To finish us off, have you anything upcoming in the, you know, in the calendar, in the diary, in the Quinn schedule that you're excited about that we can perhaps share in that excitement with?
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Nordio
I do, I do, but I can't really talk about it. But I will say that I am working on a special, highly requested project with Quinn, and unfortunately, that's all I can. Yeah, I can really say. But, yeah, just there's that and maybe that kind of guided couples audio I was talking to you about. Yeah. But, yeah, other than that. Yeah, that's. I think. I think this special Quinn project is going to be something that a lot of people are going to like.
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John
Oh, well, I'm excited already. This is going to be insane. What is a question that you wished you were asked more?
- [59:31]
Nordio
You know, maybe I was talking to another Quinn creator about this, maybe about AI. I think it's crazy. Like, I think it won't be long before a fully believable, you know, Nadio voice clone is made.
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John
Yeah.
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Nordio
And that's crazy. Like, what. What does that mean? Like, what are the legalities of that? Like what. It's kind of inevitable, right? Like, it's just getting. It's just getting more and more realistic. Like the text, the speech cloning type of stuff. And what are things that we can do as voice actors to start thinking about that inevitable future? Like, it's scary. It's really cool, but it's kind of scary. So, yeah, that's something that I just don't. It's so hard to conceive of what that future looks like for people in our industry because, yeah, it feels like it's right around the corner, but also, like. Like, we just don't know, man. We don't know how it's going to impact us. So, yeah, that's. That's something that I'm always interested in talking about.
- [60:36]
John
It's something that I think about all the time, if I'm being honest. I think that in, in about 10 years time, probably five years, maybe even not that long, who knows, but let's say five years. I think a good sort of 50, 60% of narration gigs are going to be gone.
- [60:51]
Nordio
Wow.
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John
Like all of your e learning things, any sort of like medical book and all that sort of thing is going to be gone. But I think that on the, on the flip side, you know, talking about Quinn specifically with audio erotica, I think one of the reasons, I think the biggest reason actually is that why listeners keep coming back to a, to a creator isn't because, like they have like a sexy voice or whatever that might be what draws them in at the start, but it's the personality that they put into that that, you know, it's the, it's the, it's the feeling, it's the human side of it. And I think that although AI would be able to replicate the voice, I think the fact is it's a person is. That is one of the biggest draws to listening to it because, because you listen to an audio for the humanity, for the human nature of the thing. Whereas I think with the, with the narration gigs, it is a tool. You're narrating, you know, you're, you're, you're speaking words for somebody to hear. Now when you get into the more storytelling things, then it starts to have a blend between the two. But I think. Yeah, but that's, that's, that's what I'm clawing onto in my optimistic state.
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Nordio
Yeah, for sure. Like, and, and, and let's be honest, it's, it's gonna be a while before you can type in moan and see what the AI spits out for that, you know, So I think until once, once the robots start moaning, then, then we're gonna be. I'm gonna be a lot more scared.
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John
I do hope that I don't if this is a thing, but I do hope, hope that the companies who are creating the cloning coding, like software, I'm guessing that they're not all the good guys, but like, still, it'd be nice to know if there was like a watermark that you could only hear with like a specific piece of software or a tool. Because that idea of people cloning, you know, and it's sounding exactly the light. You've just said something and they can make you say anything or God forbid, even the video stuff, and they can make it look like you've just done anything that is Terrifying.
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Nordio
Yeah. Or like, you know, some way of, like, licensing, like, you know, like, it's. It's. It's. It's getting crazy and, like, we just. We just don't know what's gonna happen. But, yeah, we. We hope that there's some kind of, like, oversight with it all and some kind of ethics, but, yeah, just as. As void voice actors, we have to be. We have to be really careful and protective about, like, you know, all of that stuff that we're getting into and just being. Being on top of it. And that's why. Another reason why, you know, it's important to. To have each other's backs and to be talking with each other and feeling like, you know, we're not alone. Alone in this together.
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John
100%. 100%. Well, that just about does it for this episode of the Audiobook Club. Links to exciting things can be found in the show notes as well as more information on amplify Audiobooks. Who very kindly sponsored this podcast? Mate, it's been such a pleasure getting to chat with you. Thank you so much for, you know, dedicating your time to come on and have a chat and. Yeah, just thank you so much.
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Nordio
Oh, my God, John, thank you so much for having me on. And maybe next time you can put a shirt on. Your abs have been very distracting this whole conversation. I don't know. Just kidding. Sorry.
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John
Oh, my gosh. That caught me off guard.