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A
Hi, guys. Welcome back to another episode of the Blondest podcast. I'm your host, Savannah Boda, and I'm.
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B
Half a co host today, Tyler Jacoby.
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A
We're still hanging on by thread, and I just want everyone to know and congratulate. I don't know if you guys didn't know this, but Tyler actually graduated Harvard the first time, top of his class.
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B
Okay?
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A
And we're really proud to have a Harvard graduate working at sba.
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B
I did take two classes at Harvard, so I went to the music school. Connected to Harvard, period. So. But I was not a Harvard graduate.
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A
Today we're going to talk about bullying.
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B
Yep.
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A
Stop it.
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B
Podcast ends.
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A
Stop being a bully. This industry, man. I'm actually speaking at an event which probably already passed by the time this comes out for a lot of injectors in Fort Worth. Here in Dallas, I'm crazy. Okay, You, Tyler, in the area. In the area. And they asked me to speak, and I'm really excited to speak about it because it has affected a lot of my career, and I deal with it every single day of my life in this industry, but I really don't post about it much unless I'm, like, PMSing or someone, like, really done pissed me off.
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B
And, boy, did she go on a rant the other day.
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A
Oh, yeah. I mean, this is probably a month ago now, but if you. If the north remembers, it was funny.
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B
I was watching it as I was in Dallas, like, running an errand for stuff we needed. And I'm sitting there and I'm watching this, and I'm like, oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. And then she gets. I get to one of the parts in the video, and she goes, tyler, please don't be mad at me for posting all of this.
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A
Someone DM'd me. And, like, I cannot wait for the podcast where Tyler scolds you on that. And you know what, guys? Okay, like, it's so hard sometimes being on social media because everyone, like, if you show up all PC, then you're, like, fake. And then if you, like, show your true self, then you're, like, unprofessional. And it's like, you can't win. It's like, follow your arrow. It's like, well, it's like, no, it's the Casey Anthony song.
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B
No, don't. No.
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A
Oh, Casey Musgraves.
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B
I was like, I don't know where you're going there, but no, the Casey Musgrave song.
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A
It's like, if you can't lose the weight, then you're just fat. And if you lose too much, then you're on crack. Damned if you do, and you're damned if you don't. So you might as well ever do whatever you want.
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B
Okay. But, yeah, that's the thing is, like, people can say the most horrible, vile shit to Savannah and, like, the second she comments back on it or, you know, posts up, really, like, she's the bitch. She's the mean girl. Like, I can't believe you would say this. And it's like, that girl just called her a horrible mother. Or that girl, like, said, I bashed.
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A
My child's head into a coffee table.
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B
And it's like, these things so that.
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A
I could sell skincare.
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B
So it's like, you can't win. And that's why, you know, I. I always try to veer on the side of just let it roll off the back.
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A
Yeah. But there were a lot of things leading up to it. And listen, if it's just one person, like, whatever, like, okay, that one girl, if you guys remember, who was, like, in Detroit, she's an esthetian in Detroit, and she was at the Skin Better Masterclass and would always DM me. Like, really nice stuff. Like, love your outfit. Like, slay queen. Like, love you, bestie. Like, really sweet stuff. And then she, like, I have a video of her because Maria takes, like, videos for our tick tock of her taking a picture with me and like, all smiling and giddy in line to, like, come meet me. And then, like, while I'm on the plane home from la, I get a DM that's like, I literally hate her. And I was like, oh. Like, that wasn't meant to be sent.
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B
To me, obviously, which happens all the time.
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A
Happens all the time, guys. Y'all are stupid. Like, I'm sorry. Like, check your shit, okay? I don't know how you can do that about somebody. Like, and at least make sure you're not sending it to them, because I probably get, like, that five times a week, someone sends me a DM that's, like, meant to be sent to their friend to talk shit about me. And I'm just like, okay. Anyway. And so she's like, I literally hate her. And what she was upset about was I was just saying how much I hate traveling. Like, I hate flying at the airport. Like, it's just. I'm a Virgo. I'm a germaphobe. I don't like airports. I fucking hate airports. It's, like, the worst place in the world for me, and it's, like, a.
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B
Waste of time, too.
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A
It's a waste of time. It's not proactive. You're around a bunch of, like, dummies. Like, people smell. People aren't considerate. People, like, bring tuna fish on the plane. Like, people fart on the plane. People don't shower before the plane. Like, people think, oh, crying baby. I love crying babies on a plane. They're honestly not the issue. It's these adults that don't have consideration for other people anyway. Hate traveling. Always have, always will. And so I was like, I wish I could teleport.
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B
And.
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A
And so I was like, I would teleport to Dubai, the Maldives, like, Thailand, Thailand, Kyoto, Chanel, Lush. Naming, like, places I'd want to go. I'm so sorry that she got upset that she wanted me to say, I want to go to fucking, like, Oak Cliff and like, fucking Compton. Or Skid Row. Skid Row. Like, why would I could teleport, babe? I'm teleporting to the nicest places in the world. Bucket list places that's like, where half.
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B
The expense and, like, the deterring from.
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A
Like, if I could get to Thailand, it's $30,000 to get a LA seat to go to Thailand. One person.
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B
And it's like a 28 hour travel day.
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A
Three days.
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B
Yeah.
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Literally we get there like three days later. Because I looked and then. Yeah, it's cheap once you get there. But yeah.
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B
So it's like you can just like snap your fingers and be there for the weekend.
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A
Yeah. And pay literally 50 bucks for the entire week.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, and get $1 pad Thai. You could. So anyways, so she. I mean, clearly that's what she was upset about. So I posted it because I was like, PMSing also. And I was like, I love when people send things to me when they didn't mean to send them to me. And I cut her name out of it and everything because I didn't want to, like, out her because I've obviously gotten in trouble for that in the past. Because then my followers attack and bully because the SBA besties, they write hard.
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B
The point wasn't to, like, have her be publicly shamed. It was just to show what, like, you deal with all the time.
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A
Like, just like. And then. And honestly, like, if it was just like a random person that had sent it, that never DM me before, but I knew who this girl was. I had conversation with her, like, literally two weeks before. Like, she was so nice to my face. And, like, that's why I get so much anxiety sometimes speaking, because people Are so fake. Like, they're so nice to your face. Like, I would have never thought she felt that way about me, like, ever. Like, I would have never assumed it. Like, she was so excited to meet me, smiling, posted pictures, like, DMS me all the time, telling me how much she loves me and looks up to me, and then behind my back is, like, saying she hates me. And a lot of people were being devil's advocate, and they're like, maybe they're like, lol. Like, I literally hate her. Like, funny. Haha. Like, if Tyler, like, did something, oh, my God, I hate you. Like, but we're as friends. I was like, maybe that could have been it.
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B
But then she.
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A
But then she doubles down. Yeah, okay. Digs her hole. The hole started like this. She made it a gaping hole. A huge gaping hole. So then I was like, I'm really sorry you feel that way, but I'm glad to know where you stand. That's what I sent her back. And then she let me read it. Without giving away too much of who this is, I just want you guys to also know that her name has the word luxury in it, and her, like, mission statement and her brand and aesthetic is, like, luxury aesthetics. Like, luxe luxury. Like, fancy, schmancy, high end. So this conversation makes zero sense at all. Because, like, I'd get it if she was like, a very, like, natural, like, minimalistic esthetician. Maybe it would. This would make more sense to why she was upset about me naming luxury destinations. But, like, I even called her out on that. I'm like, you literally have luxury in your name and in your bio. I don't understand why you are so targeted and upset by this situation. Do you have it? Let me find it. When did this happen?
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B
I mean, basically, she just said that Savannah is being condescending, which is not the right word.
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A
She meant pretentious. Okay, so this is. Here it is, guys. So I said, don't think you meant to send that to me, but good to know where you stand. And she said, I didn't respond initially because I wanted to sit on what I said instead of not responding. I felt it was right for me to take ownership of what I said. You're right. It wasn't meant to be sent to you. And I'm so embarrassed I used the word hate, and I don't think that was the right word by any means. I want you to know I value and respect you in the aesthetics industry, and I don't hate you. I just think that you're very condescending I'm not expecting you to respond, but I want to address my words. I said, thanks for the apology. I'm confused and unsure how me saying I want to teleport is condescending. Because that's. The video that she was trying to send to someone was me talking about teleporting to, like, different destinations. She said it wasn't about you teleporting. I wish I could, too. It was the first initial places you named that seemed condescending to me. Again, she doesn't know what condescending means. She means pretentious.
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B
Yeah, because that's.
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A
That's not condescending. She just doesn't know what the word means. Okay. And I could have said that, but I didn't. It wasn't the specific video that made me feel the way I do. I already feel this way. And I guess I'm not expecting you to see where I'm coming from. It's just a personal opinion, but again, I want to apologize.
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B
That's fine. I just think that, like, my problem is, is, again, Savannah talked about this on her story ran the other day. Like, we've talked about it on the podcast numerous times. We understand that Savannah was a little fireball five, six years ago.
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A
I don't know, baby. I was a fireball, like, a week ago.
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B
Yeah, no, but, like. Like, where you would post people publicly and really, like, go in and now, like, go in.
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A
But. Okay, here's the thing. I don't bite. I bark back. Wait, I don't. I. If you're gonna come at me, I'm gonna come at you. And that's how I used to be. I don't not like that anymore. I let so much roll off. Yeah, because it's just unprofessional and immature and, like, not something I want to, like. I mean, if I had to rebuttal everything I said, my entire story would be me rebuttaling all day. Like, I don't have time for that. I don't care. But back then, I wasn't a mother. I wasn't a wife. I was just building my business. It meant so much to me. Like, everything I did was so personal. And, you know, if someone copied me, like, it really, like, had upset me because I had spent my entire life, like, not knowing who I was. And so when I, like, finally, like, found that piece of me, it was, like, so special and sacred because I grew up, like, hating myself and changing everything about me to fit into a group of friends or a guy that I liked. Like, I Just had no direction. And it was just like, very depressing, like, to not know who you are, you know? And I think that's a hard time for a lot of people, like, when you're that age. But anyways, when I then found, like, who I was, like, I held onto that so tightly. And then also, too, like, I was doing stuff that, like, no one else was doing. And so I was really trying to stand out. Like, I wasn't the Dallas esthetician then. Like, I hadn't made it. Like, I was still trying to climb my way to success. And so I did see other people doing stuff that copied my stuff, and it, like, you know, watered down my originality, and it watered down my uniqueness and, like, what was helping me stand out in a really saturated industry.
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B
And so it felt like also, like, you were watching people, like, put on your clothes and, like, you know what I mean?
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A
I mean, it got to a point where there was someone who literally got a beta fish, because I got a beta fish are wearing the same necklace designer that I've used since I was, like, in high school. My mom has always loved her. Did their entire spa the same way.
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B
Posting perfume.
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Posting perfumes of the day, which I get. Like, there's a lot of little things that, like. Like, there's so many estheticians that love perfumes. You know what I mean? But it's like, when you do everything, like, the bath bombs, the perfume, the beta fish, the clothes, the jewelry, getting your nails done the same as me, dyeing your hair a different color, like, and just, like, literally, like, trying to wear my skin, it. That's weird.
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B
It's very transparent. Like, again, if we saw like. Like, again, like, Candace or Krystal, like, post whatever fragrance they were wearing that day, we'd be like, oh, that's not weird. But, like, no, because there are people.
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A
Yeah, they're not. It's not one thing that. It's like, oh, Savannah posts bath bombs. I can never post a bath bomb. That's not true. It's like, if you do every single thing I do, like, start, like. Like, this one girl took my. All my songs on my public playlist and, like, tried to, like, sell it to her subscribers and say that she made this playlist and, like, literally just renamed it and it was all my shit. It's just people do weird stuff like that to me all the time, and I don't talk about it, and I don't care anymore because now I understand. I'm an influencer in our industry, and, like, that's like my job and, like, I had to, like, come to terms with that. But when I was like, you know, still not at a bunch of followers and just trying to make it, it just felt like people were trying to rip me off and not be inspired by me. And I think that a lot of that was just fight orf flight thinking. A lot of trauma that I had to resolve too. And then also, like, immaturity. Like, honestly, just being immature, not really seeing everything was happening so fast. Like, that's. It's so hard when people tell me, like, walk me through, like, what got you to where you are today? Because it feels like it was just like a whirlwind. Like, it happened so fast. I'm so thankful. But I didn't have time to sit and think and like, look back at it from a different lens and be like, oh, like you're becoming an influencer. Like, you are inspiring other estheticians. I just saw it as like an attack. And like, that was my lens that I was looking at it through. Now I look back at it and I still, like, see like, young Savannah's like, side of it. Like, I validate that and understand why I was that way. But I also don't think that she was able to pull herself out. She was just seeing short sighted stuff and she wasn't seeing, like, the big picture of like, what brand I was building. And like, I, you know, instead of being happy that the reason I have brands that want to work with me is because what I post matters and people do what I do. I mean, you go to any clinic and they're carrying hydrinity, they're carrying skin better, they're carrying face reality. Like they have aerial, a skin.
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B
Savannah bought a smack pack.
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A
Yeah, like, it's, you know, and reps tell me that all the time. Like, we know who like, follows what Savannah does. And I love being able to do that and help because there are so many lines and if you have someone in the industry, you look up to it, like, takes a lot of the guesswork out of it. And you don't have to, like, lose so much money by trying a bunch of different skincare lines that aren't working. Like, you just follow suit of who's successful and what they're doing. And that makes sense at smart business. And especially with my following too, I can't cater to every single client. So if they're like, oh, I follow the Dallas esthetician and she has the earlys in hydranity and skin butter and then they're, like, typing, like, esthetician and then those brand names in Charlotte. And then someone pops up, like, you just got a client from them following me, and you have my stuff that happens all the time. And it's so great. Like, it's such a great network because.
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B
Like, so many virtual consults, you'll get. They'll be like, oh, I just got. Yeah, I just got an early.
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A
And I love that.
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B
I saw from.
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And it's not competition. It's helping clients. That's why I'm in this industry, is to help. It's not like. No, but anyway, it just gets frustrating, and it can be, like, really difficult when people, like, still push that narrative that, like, I'm a mean girl, because, honestly, I could have been really mean back then, and I really wasn't that mean. And it was this big group of girls that were very, very intimidated by me and didn't want to see a young girl be successful, and they just completely tried to tear me down. Was I perfect every step of the way? Absolutely not. I've made so many mistakes, but it was, like, really hard to see that. And, like, I hate that that narrative is, like, still being spun to this day.
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B
Well, it's funny, and this is what I've told Savannah is like. And we can get into this. But there was, like, this Facebook post.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And what group? Whatever. One of those esthetician Facebook groups on Facebook. And it's like, they are all, like, trying to spin this narrative of Savannah being a mean girl. And, like, first of all, Savannah doesn't post anything besides, like, treatment videos and, like, her morning routine. And, like, our team talking about our favorite products. Like, that's what Savannah's Instagram is. And so I have a really hard time understanding where they're coming from. And especially now that I'm with Savannah on every single one of these trips where it's conferences and she's speaking like, Savannah is her truest self all the time, especially when she's meeting everyone who wants to meet her as we're speaking.
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A
Someone just sent me a Reddit post about me.
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B
Oh, so nice.
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A
Love that.
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B
And so it's just, like, it's. I find it hard to understand because Savannah, especially in the past, I would say, three years, has really just stayed in her own lane and try to uplift the industry, try to, you know, find what's best out there and share that with everyone so that everyone can use what's best. And it's very ironic to me that all these people are in these Facebook groups tearing her down and saying horrible things and trying to spin the narrative of her being a mean girl, when in reality, everything that they're like, all their actions are what's really being a mean girl. Like, why are you spending your time on Facebook and a group, like, saying horrible things about someone you've probably never met? And if you have, I know she was nothing but kind and nice to you. So that's my two cents.
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A
Love you.
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B
It just doesn't make sense. It's like the pot calling the kettleblock. It's like Savannah would never, not even back then, never would have been in a Facebook group tearing someone down or on, like, that's.
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A
I've never, like, gone after anybody first, if that makes sense. Like, it's always been something that's. Are you okay?
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B
Yeah, I just cleaned my phone. Sorry. I, like, turned it over, and it was really dirty, and it grossed me out.
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A
Yeah. I mean, it's just people want to find a reason not to like you and make stories about you, and if that makes them feel better about not being where they want to be in their career, like, that's what they're gonna do. And they do that to everyone.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, and it sucks because the face. Did you say what the Facebook group was about? It was about your regimen. Like, the team. My team's regimen?
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B
No, I didn't get into it, but, yeah, basically, people when on this group, Savannah had shared, well, our team regimens. I mean, Maria thought that it would be a cute post, and so she made it on Canva. She asked the whole office what their regiments were morning and night, and Maria spent, like, two hours making this Canva post for Savannah to post of our entire office's regimens, what we use. And, you know, it was cute. People always ask, like, what does Tyler use? What does Maria use? Because Savannah has posted more now than ever, like, different videos of the team. And everyone's skin at SVA is beautiful. They're glowing, gorgeous girls.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so people are always like, oh, my gosh, what is. And we all have different skin concerns. So that was, like, the main thing of the post is, like, you can see how different all of our regimens are based on what we're trying to treat. And that's why there's no one size fits all for clients, because so many people will see what Savannah puts on her skin and be like, that's what I need to use. But maybe you're, like, super acne prone. And, like, Savannah, while she is, is not, like, Me acne prone where I need to use like a benzoyl peroxide or mandelic acid every single day or I will be breaking out. And so that was the point of the post was really just to educate and share what our team used. And everyone blew up on Facebook about 300 plus comments. Like how like salesy, like slummy, slimy it was and like how horrible I.
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A
Am for like admitting that my client or follower. Whoa, my, my team, I can't talk today. My team gets products either free or like very heavily discounted because it's not obtainable. A lot of our clients can obtain that. I think, you know, it really comes down to people knowing and being. And I just talked about this with skin Better. Like it's about being educated too about skincare products and why it's worth the investment. Like no one needs a 12 step regimen. No one needs skin care at all if they don't want it. You know, it's not like you're going to die without it. But if you're trying to achieve healthy skin and you want the best of the best, like we're going to recommend that and to discredit me as a professional. Like each product has its place in the regimen. I'm not double dipping. I'm not having someone use three different vitamin C is like. And it just shows that a lot of people aren't that educated in this industry about different ingredients and like, you know, I mean it's not hard to become an esthetician, let's be real.
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B
Yeah. And it's also like it's.
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A
But to become an expert in this industry, it takes a lot of time and craft and like it's just frustrating because people just like to spin a narrative about me and like they were mad that I was saying in my comments that my team got it for free because that's going to deter people from buying it. So I'm like, you're mad that I'm being honest about my team's finances and.
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B
Like, but like that's so normal at any job in any industry. Like the people at Panda Express get their meals for free, you know what I mean? Or like the people like when my brother worked at Great Wolf Lodge, he got like 75% off the nightly rate, you know what I mean? To book a room like that is so normal in every single industry. For when I worked at ups, I had discounted shipping. Like, yeah, it, that's what you do for employees. It's employee appreciation. And if you didn't do that people would be like, damn, you're like a greedy ass fucking bitch. Making the girls who work full time for you pay full price. Like that's so like you like again, she can't win. That's my whole point in this entire thing. And it's also like. And Savannah's biggest thing is like no one needs 10 steps. Like she had just said like everything addresses.
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A
I noticed two things on my face this morning. Trio and tone step.
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B
Like let me walk you through mine. I in the morning use a mandelic acid based cleanser that is to address my acne. My skin doesn't need a gentle cleanser in the morning. And so that's what I use. And then I go in with hyacinth active which is like insurance for my cleanse, you know. And then CBD mist, great toner like brings down my inflammation, hydrates my skin. That's what my skin needs. I have very acne prone skin and so my thing is very geared towards one, increasing my cell turnover and two, hydrating my skin and bringing down my inflammation. So then I go in with plated intense. That's going to help any texture I have, it's going, I mean what is, what do all the plated intense things do? It brings down redness in my skin. It supports collagen. It's going to help me anti age. It's going to help any leftover scarring I have. It's going to help pie come off. That is like its own, like their exosomes is its own category. Lipid serum. This is like a Benadryl ibuprofen in a bottle. Like it is going to bring down inflammation. And that's something I have a lot of in my skin. And then I go in with a pigment inhibitor or no mandelic acid, already talked about that, have to have that pigment inhibitor. Then I go in with a hydrating serum, then a moisturizer and then sunscreen. It's not that crazy. And everyone's like, I cannot believe they're using this many steps. But it's like everything treats something different in my skin and my skin has never been better since using all of these products since I was in eighth grade. So and it just goes to show like people will value what they want. I mean obviously it is an investment. But these people saying like it's not realistic for people to be buying 10 skincare products. And these are other estheticians, they're industry professionals. But I'm sure your clients who are telling you no for 10 just spent like $1700 on Botox and facial balancing, like, last week. And so it's like, it's your job.
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A
To show them the value and, like, educate them on why more expensive products. Not every expensive product is the best product in the world. But it comes down. I always say this ingredient sourcing, like, it'd be the same thing. Why go pay $20 for a taco platter at Christina's, like, find Tux Mex, which is a really good Mexican restaurant here, when you could go get it for 299 at Taco Bell. And it's like, yeah, it's both a taco, but the quality is so much different. And how it's going to feel, how your body's going to feel tomorrow morning. You. You're going to tell the difference, right? Like, you're either going to feel good or feel like shit. And not that skin cares and make you either feel good or feel like shit, but it's either going to work or not work. And there's poor ingredient sourcing where people try to get the cheapest thing. It's not refined, it's not cleaned proper. It's just not the best that you could get or.
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B
Delivery system.
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A
Delivery system. I mean, there's so many things that go into it. Like, I think people think there's like, a little vitamin C farm that every company uses and all of us are getting it from the same place. And then one company just wants to charge $200 for it when the other wants to charge six. And, like, that's not the truth. There's so many different places you can get these ingredients from for every ingredient. So sourcing matters, formulation matters, delivery system matters. And, like, I'm not going to be the. That gets on Instagram and tells them that they're uneducated and need to go educate themselves. But I will on here.
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B
I mean, it's true. And, you know, like, if. If it's okay to say that you're not recommending what's best for your client.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But at sba, I can promise you we're not salesy, and that's the biggest money.
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A
I literally show them what their regimen is. And I'm like, if we take anything off, like, please let me know. We will. Like, I never want you to feel pressured. I never want you to feel uncomfortable. Like, if I need to take a step away and you talk to my team and they can help you, like, dwindle it down, because I also know now that become more of, like, a celebrity, I guess you could say in that in my space, like, a lot of clients come in and they're, like, starstruck and excited to meet me, and I never want them because, like, if met Kim Kardashian and she was like, I'm very gullible and I'll buy anything from even, like, the fucking gas station person. Like, it doesn't matter who it is. But if Kim Kardashian was like, oh, like, you need all of this. Like, I'd be like, yes, ma'am.
- [26:06]
B
Like, like, you need these from skims, these from skims, these from. It's like a $2,000 total.
- [26:11]
A
You'd be like, okay, yeah. Even if I couldn't afford, I would say, okay. And so I always step away at the end because I don't want to, like, stare at them and, like, make them feel pressured, you know? Because I know that people have done that in the past, and again, everything's a learning experience. And so now I take that step away and I'm like, please know, like, they can help you rework this. Like, if they need to come grab me to help take things off or whatever. Like, whatever you're comfortable with. Obviously, this is my ideal regimen. I don't have a nut cream for you. I don't have an eye cream for you. I don't have a mask. I don't have an exfoliant. Like, this is the nitty gritty bear bear minimum. And then. And if that's okay, if that's still too much, like, if we need to take something off, but, like, this is what I'd like to see on long term. And then we can give them travel sizes or samples of stuff that we, you know, that we're not getting that day. Um, so it's just. I think people see that I've done really well for myself and, like, that I've built such a good business, and they just want to discredit me, and they can't stand that I did it ethically and by working my fucking ass off, period. Yeah.
- [27:07]
B
So I think the point of this.
- [27:09]
A
Is to stop being a hating ass hoe and get to work.
- [27:12]
B
Just be kind. I mean, like, you are not bettering your business at all by speaking poorly about someone online. Like, really, it's just making you look bad. And I don't know, like, if I were ever in these esthetician circles and, like, I met someone who I had seen talking shit about all these people online, I'd be like, she's not a nice person. Like, I don't Know what you feel like you're gaining by doing that online? Especially someone who has added so much to the industry, who goes on every day to educate and, like, really doesn't do anything else besides.
- [27:49]
A
Everything.
- [27:51]
B
And so, I mean, do something better with this.
- [27:54]
A
My favorite song line from Jack Harlow is, the ones that hate me the most look just like me.
- [28:02]
B
It is true.
- [28:03]
A
It's like, how do you hate me, babe? When you're carbon copy.
- [28:05]
B
Yeah.
- [28:06]
A
And that sounds mean, but it's the truth. It's like, it's always so funny. The ones that are like, I hate Savannah. I hate Savannah. And then I go see their page and I'm like, you are me, babe.
- [28:14]
B
Yeah, well, like, your spa is.
- [28:16]
A
Yeah.
- [28:17]
B
I mean, everything you offer, everything you talk about. Yeah. Everything you post about, it's like a carbon copy of me.
- [28:23]
A
Or you just inspired and hate that you are.
- [28:26]
B
Because, like, I would get it if, like, they were completely different. Like, completely different. And they were like, I don't like her. And that's fine, you know, like, you're not. Everyone is going to like me.
- [28:36]
A
But just, like, tell your boyfriend, tell your cat, tell your therapist. Like, tell your best friend who's not in the industry. Like, don't, like, go around spreading, like, your virus everywhere.
- [28:45]
B
But also, the people that I don't like, I don't think about.
- [28:48]
A
I don't talk about them. I don't think about them.
- [28:49]
B
I don't, like. I really don't. Like, there have been close friends of mine, and, you know, I'm like this. So maybe it's like a me thing, but, like, when they're dead to me, they're dad. Yeah.
- [28:57]
A
I literally mentioned one of his, like, ex friends the other day, and he's like, who? And I was like, you know, and he was like, what? And I was like. And I had to say their name several times. And he was like, oh, yeah. Like. And that's the thing is, like, you don't live in my head. Why am I living in yours? And, you know, I didn't get to where I am today by, like, just sitting around trying to bring other people down. Like, I focused on myself. And that's truly. If you want to get to where you want to be in your business. Like, all that energy and time you're spending trying to bring someone else down, it's not going to bring you up. It's just going to waste more time and prolong your success. So take that same energy, put it into yourself, and, you know, shoot for the mountaintops and just like, let go. You know, harboring so much hate in your heart is just so toxic, and it takes years off your life.
- [29:43]
B
It'll age you.
- [29:44]
A
It'll age you.
- [29:44]
B
And we want what's best for you, too.
- [29:46]
A
Yeah, we do.
- [29:47]
B
We know that you're not hating from a reasonable place.
- [29:52]
A
Yeah. Like, you're just confused. You're just mentally ill. No, but, I mean, I'm. I'm very forgiving so many people. There's one girl in particular who I have forgiven seven times.
- [30:03]
B
That is true.
- [30:04]
A
And she just continues to do shit. And I'm like, girl, like, how many times we're gonna do this song and dance? Like, I don't get it. Like, we said we were cool, and then you, like, start subtweeting me on Instagram, and then, like, I'm nice to you, and then you, like, apologize again. It's just, like, I can't have energy for that. Like, just. I'm very forgiving. So if you're someone that's, like, been hurtful to me in the past, like, I forgive you. We've all been there. You doing it in your 30s is kind of crazy, but, like, you know, I did that when I was 14, so I'm no better than you, but just, like, grow up and, like, go have a child and, like, go touch grass. Like, I think that's the biggest thing that changed me, and I'm so thankful. Like, there's so many reasons I love being a mom, but one of the reasons I really do love being a mom is it just has completely changed my view and outlook on life and, like, what matters and what doesn't matter.
- [30:57]
B
And put the world into perspective.
- [30:59]
A
Yeah. Like, I could give a. If you copy me, I don't care. Like, I want to make sure my kid's, like, not getting bullied at school and, like, that he's learning and, like, able to be a thriving adult one day. So, I mean, my priorities are just different. When I was really heavy into my Instagram, like, that's all I had. Like, I didn't have any friends that was a choice because they were all kind of druggies and not good people. But, I mean, I stayed to myself. Tyler wasn't in my life like, that yet. Like, I worked seven days a week, Christmas Eve, Thanksgiving Day. I worked Fourth of July, St. Patrick's Day, which is, like, crazy, because that's my favorite holiday. No, I'm just kidding.
- [31:34]
B
St. Patrick's Day with you.
- [31:36]
A
I worked President's Day. I worked every day. And, you know, I was a Very, very, like, into my business. And like, anyone that starts a business, like, you have to be chained to your business for the first couple of years to make it grow.
- [31:51]
B
Like, your biggest advocate, too, because, like, no one is advocating for you when you were just starting out your teeny, tiny little fly.
- [31:57]
A
No one cared about me.
- [31:58]
B
Yeah.
- [31:59]
A
And so when I was trying to, like, you know, again, I've said this. I feel like a broken record. But, like, I've literally had to say this shit on the podcast. So many. These people don't listen. Like, I am so sorry if I posted your graphic and said, go report this. They copied me. And I'm so sorry that I facilitated bullying, because even though I wasn't the one, like, saying the hurtful things, there's a fly that wants me.
- [32:20]
B
And that wasn't your intention either. I mean, it was completely your intention to get it. To take it down.
- [32:24]
A
No, it was to get it removed.
- [32:26]
B
Yeah.
- [32:26]
A
Because I would. And I'd never post first on my story. I'd always go to the person and say, hi. And I wasn't mean, like, fuck you, bitch. Like, remove this post. Like, I would never do that. I'm on. I'm not like, that. I'd be like, hey, girl. Like, I saw this, and it looks really similar to my post. Like, could you either one, tag me for inspiration or two, like, remove it. And then they would get all sassy and be like, you, blah, blah, blah. And then I'd be like, oh, game on, bitch. I'll let you. I'll throw you to the wolves, basically. Like, I'll let my followers get you. And that's what I did. I kept my hands clean. I said, I'm gonna ask you nicely once, and if you're gonna be a cunt, I'm not gonna call you that. I'm not gonna fight back with you. I'm just gonna post on my story and say, hey, guys, this is, like, stolen intellectual property. Can you please go report it? And then, unfortunately, some people would get a little bit too vicious about something very small in the grand scheme of things and say some hurtful things. And, like, that caused a lot of, like, people to not like me because they were, like, afraid of, like, being posted or whatever. And there are times where I definitely, like, was being too dramatic about it and, like, shouldn't have cared. But Again, I was 21.
- [33:30]
B
Lessons learned.
- [33:31]
A
I was an infant. That's all I had. My business was all I had. I had parents that didn't believe in me. No one believed in me. I was trying so hard to make it, and, like, my content was so different and unique compared to what anyone else is doing. And I just felt very, like, protective of it. Like, extremely protective of it. And I didn't go about it in the right ways. And I apologize, like, profusely for that. If I could go back, I would. But I also am glad it happened because I feel like it really, like, taught me a lot. And again, like, I didn't realize I was becoming an influence in our industry. Like, I literally just saw myself as the same as everyone else. And I think that's been another issue is I've always been so humble to the point where, like, I didn't realize my value in the industry for a really long time. And so I saw myself as the same level as everyone else and didn't realize that I was one of the people at the top making differences for our industry and that I should be, like, hold a higher standard for myself to hold our industry to a higher standard and not do that. And then also lastly, at that time, everyone was doing that. Every esthetician I looked up to, that's. I Monkey see, monkey do. And Savannah followed suit. Okay. And so it's so silly, goofy, funny that everyone's like, oh, Savannah was the one. But it was like, I was not the one that did. Like, I was taught that this behavior was, like, what we did, like, as an industry. If someone copied you, like, you posted on your story, that's what every girl I looked up to that was an esthetician had been in the industry many years more than me was doing. And so it's like, it's cool if they do it, but it's a problem if Savannah Butter does it. Savannah Butter Spina Bota does it Anyway. I take accountability, though, because even though I had my reasons, it still sucked, and I shouldn't have done it, but.
- [35:11]
B
And I'm sure that 90 of you here are the besties, and we love you guys. Thanks for hearing us out.
- [35:17]
A
And then the 10, I want to say, too, is, like, well, I don't remember. I thought something really.
- [35:25]
B
Probably a little circle.
- [35:27]
A
What was I saying?
- [35:28]
B
No, I'm sure we touched on it.
- [35:31]
A
No, am I doing that thing where I go in a circle again five times? I don't care. I love doing that. It's like watching a movie, and you, like, have, like, different, like, perspectives each time you watch it. Like, then you watch it, like, 10 times, and then you have, like, every perspective. No, there was something really important I was gonna say. I'M so mad at you.
- [35:52]
B
Okay?
- [35:53]
A
This is your fault. Why did you steal it from my brain? No, what was I gonna say, Ty? What did I say before? You said what you said.
- [36:02]
B
You were just talking about how, like, you had seen the people you looked up to do it.
- [36:09]
A
Oh, yeah. And so, yeah, it's cool if they do it. It's a problem if I do it.
- [36:14]
B
You just said that. That was the last thing you said.
- [36:16]
A
I know, bitch, I know. Fuck you. But, yeah, I don't know, guys. Tyler is also an undercover hater. No, but really, what I want to bring.
- [36:29]
B
Where did that come from?
- [36:31]
A
Just be nice, work hard, do right by your clients. And, like, unless someone is, like, slicing someone up with dermaplane blades or, like, giving people HIV from microneedling with dirty needles or, like, burning people's faces off or, like, racial profiling clients or, like, scamming people, like, mind your fucking business.
- [36:51]
B
Yeah, mind the business that pays you. And for the 10% of people, hopefully it's less who are listening to this, who are a part of that crowd. I hope you heard and understood everything we said and change your ways, because you deserve to be a bigger person. You deserve to be better.
- [37:08]
A
And I would be the bigger person, but I'm too skinny for that.
- [37:13]
B
Very ridiculous.
- [37:14]
A
Just kidding. I love that meme on TikTok where they're like, I'm trying.
- [37:18]
B
I would love.
- [37:19]
A
Just so everyone know that was a joke. It was a funny haha joke. I'm not serious. But it is funny when they say, like, I was trying to be the bigger person, but unfortunately I can't because I'm too skinny.
- [37:28]
B
I love those.
- [37:29]
A
We love TikTok. But, yeah, be the bigger person. Do better. And, like, it's time to change. You can change from a hater. You really can, and I believe you can.
- [37:38]
B
And, you know, if you hear everything and you still hate us, they don't hate you, Boo.
- [37:44]
A
It's me. I have no.
- [37:45]
B
There's an unfollow button.
- [37:46]
A
They're so funny. There's someone that was like, I really fucking hate Savannah, but I still listen to the podcast for Tyler.
- [37:52]
B
Who said that I love you? Whoever said that I love you? I'm just kidding. That's mean.
- [37:59]
A
Yeah, it's mean. But, like, I don't know. I don't really like myself either sometimes. Like, I get it. Like, I get it.
- [38:11]
B
I always like you, but sometimes I want to rip your head off.
- [38:14]
A
Like, I think people just don't realize. I'm like, I wish I could be more Like Savannah, like I used to be. They just, like, you're too stressed for that. I know. I, like, been a shell of a human for the past six years. But anyways, if you hate me, that sucks.
- [38:31]
B
We love you.
- [38:32]
A
We love you. We're going to love you. We're going to love the hate out of you.
- [38:35]
B
Yeah, but Happy Monday.
- [38:38]
A
Actually, I wanted to make an announcement here, too. So there is I Hate Savannah BOTA meetup happening this year at IECSC New York, and we'll let you guys know the time and place.
- [38:50]
B
So we're actually gonna host it undercover, and then we're gonna be taking names.
- [38:55]
A
No, I know. That's what I wanna do. I wanted to. Well, I thought it'd be funny, but I'm too busy for this and it's, like, not worth my time. But I thought it would be so silly goofy if we made, like, a Facebook group. Are you listening to me? We made, like, a Facebook group and we, like, named it, like, People who Hate Savannah Boda or People who Hate the dollsthetician. And then, like, do a meetup and then we just throw a grenade and blow up the building with all my haters in it. No.
- [39:22]
B
It's a crazy thing to say on the air. That's a crazy thing to say.
- [39:28]
A
Or I just go fight them one by one.
- [39:30]
B
I think you need some sleep.
- [39:33]
A
We make a meetup and we just go. And it's a concert and we just start singing, like, love songs.
- [39:39]
B
Okay, there we go.
- [39:40]
A
That's what we do.
- [39:42]
B
Better. I'm, like, grabbing your bike and pulling it away.
- [39:49]
A
So we have to cut that out. Probably.
- [39:52]
B
Yeah.
- [39:53]
A
We can't talk about wanting to murder people.
- [39:55]
B
No.
- [39:55]
A
It's bad, right?
- [39:56]
B
Makes you sound real bothered.
- [40:00]
A
Well, we could sing them little lullabies.
- [40:02]
B
Yeah.
- [40:05]
A
What?
- [40:07]
B
I don't think you want to say anything about making a Facebook group and infiltrating, because that.
- [40:13]
A
No, but it's a joke. I wouldn't do it.
- [40:15]
B
Yeah, but people already think that, like, you stalk all those groups and Reddit threads and stuff like that.
- [40:20]
A
So much free time.
- [40:24]
B
I don't know what we're doing. Well, we'll have him cut it. Yeah, we'll just say goodbye right now.
- [40:30]
A
Bye.
- [40:31]
B
Bye, everyone. Have a wonderful rest of your week. Thanks for listening to our little emotional dump.
- [40:37]
A
Trauma. Don't.
- [40:38]
B
Not drama, just emotional love. You guys love.