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Lori Bergamotto
From ABC News and Good Morning America, I'm Lori Bergamotto. Today's brightly moment is brought to you by Macy's this Mother's Day. A special video from the GMA vault.
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Kate
Oh, my. You made it.
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Lori Bergamotto
It was graduation day for Sabrina Hill, an Air Force veteran receiving her associate's degree in nursing from Purdue University. She hadn't seen her son, Blaine Juhas, an active duty army specialist serving overseas for nine months until welcome home. It was a long drive and long flight to West Lafayette, Indiana, but Blaine says, surprising his mom was worth every mile.
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Charlie
After a month of not seeing me, she was sobbing.
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Kate
So gonna be something special.
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Lori Bergamotto
Purdue Global's graduation team worked with Blaine to arrange the Mother's Day surprise.
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Sabrina Hill
Sabrina Hill, U.S. air Force veteran.
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Lori Bergamotto
This brightly moment has been brought to you by Macy's this Mother's Day. Let Macy's be your guide to gifting.
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Kate
Welcome, book nerds. It is Thursday, which is your favorite day. And it's your favorite day because it's Bookcase drops the episode day. I am Kate, half of the duo that hosts this show.
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Charlie
You say drop the podcast day. You make it sound like a fumble in football. Oops, I dropped it.
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Kate
Sure, we can go with that. We can go with that because that is what I do to a football.
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Charlie
Yes, you do. And you don't know this, but Kate is the most athletically gifted person I've ever known, I think.
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Kate
Except for everybody else.
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Charlie
Except for everybody else. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Anyway, we're doing a show this week. We're what now? We're nine days from Mother's Day. Ten days from Mother's Day, I guess. And we got talking and we thought, you know, what better gift for Mother's Day than a book? It really is. It's reasonably priced, too Expensive books are these days. But anyway, it's reasonably priced. And what president is going to take 10, 12 hours, 15 hours of your mother's time and give the book to
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Kate
get mom out of your hair?
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Charlie
Just give her a book. Oh, no. But if you pick one of these books that we're going to recommend, she'll love it. And as she reads it, she'll think about you. And it won't be just something that she puts in the cabinet somewhere and forgets about, or it won't wind up in the trash in a week.
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Kate
Yeah. All of these books are Love Letters to Mom or Love letters about being a mom.
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Charlie
Right.
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Kate
And so we wanted to really make some great recommendations for you so that you had some time to go out and make purchases.
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Charlie
And that's why we're doing it 10 days in advance. We give you time to get to your local bookstore, your local independent bookstore and pick up a copy of one of these books. And we have one that we really strongly recommend above all others. I think it is an extraordinary story, and it's a book that sort of got lost when it got published, I thought. So our primary recommendation is a Mother's Day gift would be a book that you probably haven't heard of. And it really is an astounding book in showing how far a mother will go and what she will do to protect her family and form a family. The author is a She's a refugee who came to the United States with her mother and father. Kao Kalia Yang is the name of the author, and she has written her mother's story. The name of the book is Where Rivers Part, but she writes her mother's story in an unusual way. She writes it as if she were her mother telling her own story. Kao Kalia Yang writing unusual, but it works interestingly. Her mother was against her writing it. Her mother thought, no one's going to care about the story of a Laotian refugee, just an ordinary story. But we found it extraordinary.
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Kate
So her mother is Hmong, the Hmong being a Laotian ethnic group whose people were pressed into aiding the CIA when the Vietnam War was underway and when the US Abandoned Laos. And thus the Hmong, they were hunted and many were killed by the North Vietnamese Communist forces, whose mother, Chu and her family fled and lived in a forest for years. And there her mother, at age 16, met a man whom she married and hauntingly left her family for a refugee camp in Thailand, where they lived on the bank of a river filled with human waste. And while their mother was there, she suffered six miscarriages.
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Kao Kalia Yang
Six.
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Kate
Eventually, she immigrated to the United States, where she did have children, but she couldn't get any meaningful employment. She speaks little English and has often been the subject of racism, but still, what a heroic mother. Each of her many children have been successful college students, professionals, and of course, Kao Kalia Yang, a brilliant writer. So this is Kao Kalia Yang talking about her extraordinary mom.
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Kao Kalia Yang
My parents, neither of them read or write in English very well, and so they trust that I'm doing the best work that I know how to do. They're scared for me in terms of how the world will react. But my mom, from the very beginning, she says, this is your book. This is your book because I'll say, mom the story about your life, your book. She goes, no, no, no. This is your book. And so that license of love, which is to say, I understand the gravity that is on my shoulders, and I understand the responsibility that I hold to her story, to honoring the women before her, but also the woman that I am, because I am hers. And I think my parents have always said, I'm like a dog after the scent of a bone. I don't know when to stop, you know, and so I don't stop. And when I was on this journey, I think it was just really important that I get to the end that I needed.
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Kate
You write about the birth of each one of her children. And in some ways, towards the end, every child gets their own love letter. And your older sister gets her own love letter. You just sort of appear. There's a chapter, it says, I have two daughters. And I went, whoa, hello. She has a second daughter. So I'm interested in sort of why you didn't give yourself that love letter that your mom gave to the other. The other kids from the first person perspective. But also, is it difficult to write? I was thinking about the challenge a writer would face writing about themselves through the eyes of somebody that they love. You have to bring all those biases and perspectives to that. So what was that like? And why don't you get your own love letter?
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Kao Kalia Yang
You know, I wanted to do something distinctly for my mom and for my siblings with this book. And from a craft perspective, when I was thinking about those parts of her years, her mothering years, I thought, wouldn't it be cool if I could pull this off? You know? But I asked my mother, what do you want to say to each of them? And so she told me in different ways, and those things became the basis of those chapters that. That's in the book. But as the author, Kate, the fact that she's already giving me this story, isn't that the greatest love letter of all? So I didn't want to overstep. You know, I understood the enormity of, like, the gift that she's given me and how much that shows already to the readers out there. And so I just wanted to hold that tenderness close in the form of the whole book. The whole book is in many ways her love letter to me as much as it is my love letter to her. And as children, how often in a life do we get to do that to our parents when they're still here, do that with them, to do that kind of exchange, like everything you are has made me. And now Everything that I have as a writer, I'm putting at the service of this life that you have lived. I want to write this book when my mother can still respond to me, Charlie and Kate. I want her to know that this is the ways in which her story has not only impacted me, but is somehow alive within me.
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Kate
If I could. I wanted to go back for a second because you said it was important that you needed to have a certain perspective when you went to write this story. Could somebody who wasn't a mother have written your mother's story?
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Kao Kalia Yang
I don't think. Definitely not in the ways that I did. You know, Kate, and for example, the part about the miscarriages, I had seen my mother go through them. I had seen the darkness of that period in real time. But until I had my own miscarriage, I didn't know the total isolation. I didn't know the pain, the singular pain. You know, you don't have a baby in your arms, but your breasts are heavy with milk. All of these details, you know, I never knew. I would never have known how to ask my mother.
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Charlie
A lot of it that's written in the first person is when you were very young and your mother was in the refugee camp in Thailand, did you have to interview her to find out what her emotions were and her thoughts were at that time?
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Kao Kalia Yang
I don't interview, which is interesting as a creative nonfiction writer. I don't interview Charlie. I have conversations and I listen very deeply. I ask open ended questions, and then I travel wherever they lead me. I, you know, I don't try to make people feel better because they feel sad, because of the sadness in the stories, the sorrow in their life. I weep with them sometimes. Of course, one of the things that was so important to me was permission. I asked my mom, I said, mom, can I write your story? She looked at me and she said, nobody, nobody would be interested. Similarly to my dad, nobody is interested. Just because we've survived a war, just because we're poor, this makes us like most of the world. It does not make us incredible.
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Charlie
You write in the prologue. My mom is afraid that no one will be interested in a story about her life. My mom is afraid that I've wasted my time in writing the story of her life. Does she still feel that way with the completed manuscript?
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Kao Kalia Yang
Whenever I read to her from the book and I translate it, my mother weeps. And then she'll tell me a different story that can never now go into the book because the thing is written. But both of you are laughing because this is the truth, I think of these relationships, you know, we're all vessels of stories. And as parents, you hold them and you want to share them at different places and spaces. So for my mother, she's very nervous right now. Every review that comes out, I read it to her. Women like her were not born with luck on their side. She has had to persist. All the women before her have persisted. The only thing she hopes is that somehow with her life, that her daughters will have better luck. And yet she will remind me, Charlie, love cannot protect. Love never could. It couldn't protect the bullets. It couldn't protect against the poverty. It can't protect. Love must remember. Love must be patient. Love must be kind. And these things, this incredible force lives everywhere across all of the rivers.
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Kate
If you haven't read Kaokalia Yang, I highly recommend her writing. This is my favorite of her books, but she also wrote the song poetry. Her father is a song poet. She really writes beautifully about her family. And this book was moving. And frankly, the interview moved me, too, the same way that the book did.
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Charlie
Well, maybe you can read the other book for Father's Day, but this is Mother's Day we're talking about, Kate. It's Mother's Day. And we. We really do strongly recommend this book where Rivers part is the name of it. And as Kate says, she does write beautifully about. About all this, even though her mother thought, who's going to want to read this? You will. We promise you. You will want to read this. Because the story is just as we say. Her mother thinks the story is ordinary. We think it extraordinary. So Kao Kalia Yang where Reverse Part. A second book that we would recommend for Mother's Day is a book we both loved. Niall Williams, the Irish writer. The Time of the Child. The book does start slowly. It's about the fictitious rural Irish town of Faha F A H A. Midway through the book, a baby is found. The baby's been abandoned in a graveyard. It's a foundling. It is put in the care of the local doctor, the town's doctor, and his daughter. And this is a daughter who exhibited no interest in children. But as soon as she held that baby, as soon as she held the kid, well, the universal love of a mother came to the fore in an instant. Niall read us one of our favorite excerpts.
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Niall Williams
The story was the other feature of that night. Already Faha had stepped, stumbled, or fallen out the doors of public houses and wound home from the Christmas fair. Already, whoever had left the baby by the back gates of the church was in and elsewhere. And for the first time since the birth, its mother was without her. That mother Ronnie thought of now, she thought of her who was without face or body, but a flesh same as the one on her breast. Thought of her not with judgment or recrimination, with no avidity to know her circumstance, but with only the well spring of human pity. For surely that mother was in pain. And she looked down at the sleeping infant. And in a voice that reason would say would not carry beyond the end of the table, towards the window, Ronnie Troy whispered, she's all right. I have her. And I've written in the novel about the idea that love is always inconvenient and surprising and dangerous, but it brings us to our best self. There's something about the purity of us that brings us into a higher version of ourselves, I think. And so I knew that I wanted to write about that. I always write about love in one way or another, but I had never written before about this love of a child.
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Kate
We have two more quick recommendations. Whoopi Goldberg has written a tribute to her mom and her brother. This book is a bit of a love letter to both of them, but it's just beautifully written about her mother. It's called Bits and Pieces. That's the name of the book. Many of us, of course, wish we had the time and the talent and the resources to write a love letter or tribute to our mom, if you were lucky enough to have a great mom. And I just. I keep. Every time I read this book, I was thinking about what it would be like to have a daughter like Whoopi. Imagine telling Whoopi Goldberg to eat her vegetables or clean her room. You can just imagine the look she would give her anyway.
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Charlie
Whoopi Goldberg, you know, you are a singular act. You are not the typical child. And yet her approach was always, whatever you feel is fulfilling you, whatever you feel is natural to you. That's what's right. It's not me to impose my strictures on my child, but you do what feels right for you. That's a rare quality, and I think that makes her worthy of a book like this.
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Elizabeth Berg
Well, and she.
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Whoopi Goldberg's Daughter
She understood the idea of consequences. So you have to stand up for what you believe in and just know not everybody's gonna get it. And it might not be the right thing for everybody else, but you have to be able to say what you're doing and why. And that was very important. That was very important for her to give to me because I think that is not what she necessarily had in the world she was living in, she was black woman, you know, who was married to a very interesting man who turned out to be a gay man. And she tried to get help through the court system and realized that there was just. It wasn't going to happen, and that she had to figure out what she was going to do. And so this is what she gave to us. You know, it might not always be the right thing that you do, but make sure it's what you've decided to do and not what somebody's told you have to do.
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Charlie
And so one of the things that struck me, this is a woman who loved the Beatles, but thought the Rolling Stones were a little bit. A little bit too raw for her taste. And yet she has a daughter, if you'll pardon me for saying so, whose comedy can be filthy. Well, okay, I was going to say. I think he was gonna.
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Kate
The term. Weren't you gonna use the term blue? A blue.
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Charlie
Maybe a little. I was gonna say naughty on occasion.
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Kate
Okay, naughty.
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Whoopi Goldberg's Daughter
I was dirty as hell, but I'll
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Charlie
take filthy if that. Whoopi's willing to adopt that word. So what did she think of your act?
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Whoopi Goldberg's Daughter
I made her laugh. I made her laugh because what I often did in my shows is I said what people were thinking and didn't want to say out loud.
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Elizabeth Berg
I would say it out loud because
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Whoopi Goldberg's Daughter
that was the beauty of being able to be on a stage and to take charge of that state.
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Charlie
Once again, the name of the book, Bits and Pieces. Whoopi Goldberg, the author. We would also add the wonderful humorist Dave Barry, who, in hundreds of newspaper columns, often found rich material in writing about his mom, as he relates in his book. It's a Class Clown is the name of the book. Mothers, as Dave Barry points out, often give their sons their sense of humor. And in this case, his mom gave Dave his.
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Sabrina Hill
Yeah, both my parents were funny people. My dad was more of a dad joke kind of humor. Gentle, very loving humor. My mom was exactly where I got my sense of humor. I mean, I've known that forever. She just always was funny, even when there was nothing, you know, like normal people would not be funny. When my dad died, we had service, obviously, but the burial was just the family. My mom, me, my two brothers, and my sister carrying my dad's ashes in a box to the cemetery. And just the five of us. And it was a rainy day, gloomy day. We just had a service for my dad. We're all weeping, we're all sad, and we put my dad's ashes in the ground and we put cover it with some dirt and, and we're, you know, saying some things and we're crying and, you know, it's sad. It's a sad moment. And then we're walking away from my dad's grave and my mom is on my arm and it, the rain is coming down and we're weeping and she looks down and reads a couple of gravestones and she goes, so that's why we don't see him around anymore. It's like, well, even in that moment, you know, in that moment, she, she made it. And we all laughed because, like, and my dad would have appreciated that. Joke is one of the reasons he loved my mother. But she was like, really just. There was never a thing in our family that we could not find humor in, and that, that's where it came from. For me.
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Kate
The great Dave Barry and class clown isn't all about mothers, but it does have some terrific passages about his mother. People asking Dave Barry all the time, where do you get your sense of humor? What a great tribute for Dave Barry's mom to say, I got it from her.
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Charlie
So we don't want to overwhelm you with Mother's Day suggestions, so we'll just do two more after a break.
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Lori Bergamotto
From ABC News and Good morning America, I'm Lori Bergamoto. Today's brightly moment is brought to you by Macy's. This Mother's Day, a special video from the GMA vault.
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Kate
Oh, my. You made it.
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Lori Bergamotto
It was graduation day for Sabrina Hill, an Air Force veteran receiving her associate's degree in nursing from Purdue University. She hadn't seen her son, Blaine Juhas, an active duty army specialist serving overseas for nine months until welcome home. It was a long drive and long flight to West Lafayette, Indiana, but Blaine says, surprising his mom was worth every mile.
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Charlie
After a month of not seeing me, she was sobbing.
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Kate
So gonna be something special.
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Lori Bergamotto
Purdue Global's graduation team worked with Blaine to arrange the Mother's Day surprise.
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Sabrina Hill
Sabrina Hill, US Air Force veteran
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Lori Bergamotto
this brightly moment has been brought to you by Macy's this Mother's Day. Let Macy's be your guide to gifting.
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Charlie
Quickly. Two more, because, well, you're probably running out of paper. Taking all these notes about books that will make good Mother's Day presents. And remember to buy these at your local independent bookstore. We would hazard a guess that bookseller might have a special display of books that are good for Mother's Day.
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Kate
Okay, so Mary Laura Philpott, who's written two terrific books about being a mother. I miss you when I blink. And the one that we talked to her about called Bomb Shelter, that's the title. And she finds a way to write about her love for her kids that expresses it beautifully and with great originality. You find yourself reading this book I did as a mom going, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a passage that I love that spoke directly to me. So I had trouble getting pregnant. And every day I worry about my kids. I know I can't protect them from everything, but darned if I'm not going to try. I have to be protective, but not overly so. And I know it is my job to keep them safe, but not to smother them.
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Mary Laura Philpott
We take care of who we can and what we can, near and far, because that's the job. That is life. It's true. There will always be threats lurking under the water where we play. Danger hiding in the attic and rolling down the street on heavy wheels. Unexpected explosions in our brains and our hearts and the sky. There will always be bombs and we will never be able to save everyone we care about. To know that and to try anyway is to be fully alive. The closest thing to shelter we can offer one another is love as deep and wide and in as many forms as we can give it.
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Kate
I love that passage and relate to that passage more than I can say. Sometimes I'm amazed that I let my kids out of the house. I love this book, Bomb Shelter by Mary Laura Philpott. She's an extraordinary talent. She is an extraordinary mother. I want to be Mary Laura Philpott when I grow up.
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Charlie
You should be able to write so well. She finds a way of expressing things in ways that. That are just totally different, that you hadn't really thought about. Bob. Shelder is a wonderful, wonderful book. All these recommendations really are a couple of years old, all written by moms, or as Kate said, are about moms that we admire and we featured them all on the podcast in the past. If you want one, perhaps your local bookstore might have to special order it. And that's why we're doing this podcast a little bit more than a week before Mother's Day so that you'll have time to get one of these books. They'll make great presents so we can
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Kate
give you one book that is likely featured in your independent bookstore right now. Elizabeth Berg's Life A Love Story. And it isn't exactly about motherhood, but it is a beautiful story that is indeed a story about loving life. A line in the book sums it up. Florence Greene is the main character writing an autobiography of things. She recounts all of the things that she owns and has in her house that have come to have meaning for
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Charlie
her and things that occasioned a discussion between Kate, me and Elizabeth Byrd about the little things that might be overlooked by someone else but have the most meaning to us. Objects that are important that that someone who comes after should take note of. Elizabeth's answer to that thought was so beautiful. It spoke so much to a mother's love, a father's love. Though it is sad we include it here.
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Elizabeth Berg
Elizabeth Berg, the most precious object for me in my house is a baby book. And I had a sister who died before I was born. She died at 8 months old and I have 3 thought about that baby, I can't tell you how many times. And it took a long time for me to ask my mother about it. When I was a little kid I asked my dad about her name was Julie. I asked my dad about about Julie. I think I was 4 or 5 and he was driving the car and he was staring straight ahead and he said I I'm not going to talk about that. And I can't imagine how painful that must have been for them and what they must have gone through to stay together and hold onto their marriage. Because it's such an incredible stressor when something like that happens. But I was kind of an imaginative kid and kind of a woo woo kid. And I used to believe that I could communicate with Julie. I wanted her to be and she wasn't. But I would go under my bed and this is when I was, I don't know, nine or 10 years old and I would think about her. I would think really hard about her and I would feel as though I could sense her presence and Even some sort of communication from her. I know this sounds really bizarre, but it happened. And in that baby book, you know how in baby books they go first to tooth first, you know, so some of the things were filled out, and then the rest were achingly blank. And then there are two notes, one from my mother and one from my father. And my father's just. Was my. My dad was a lifer in the army, as I told you. He was a tough guy. He didn't share much, but, boy, did he share stuff. In that brief note that he wrote about how he recognized that my mother looked upon Julie as her baby, but she was his baby, too. And he talked about what that loss meant for him. And they weren't poor, but they sure didn't have any money when Julie was born, and they didn't have a telephone. And Julie got sick rather quickly, really high temp. And, you know, a lot of times kids get sick like that, and then they recover quickly. So I think they hoped that that's what would happen. But her temperature just was extreme. I think they probably were worried about what it was going to cost. But they took her to the hospital and she died the next day. And it was my father who had to go and identify her. As they say, I. I can't imagine the enormity of that pain. So in that book is everything about her that was in that very brief time.
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Kate
Probably no surprise. Elizabeth Berg named her own daughter Julie. And the book is Life A Love Story. It's just been a few weeks since its release.
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Charlie
Both Kate and I loved it. And that story, while not in the book, I think, really reflects Elizabeth Berg's beautiful sentimentality. She pleads guilty to being a sentimentalist, and what better sentimental thing to have for Mother's Day?
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Kate
So there you have it. Books we think would make good Mother's Day presents because they're all about the love that mothers give their kids. And it's a special club to be a part of. There are a lot of books that depict really frightening mothers. Carrie by Stephen King, for instance, if you want to say this is the kind of mother you are, that might be a good book. But also there are wonderful books like Amy Tan's Joy Luck Club, Ann Douglas's book Simply Name Motherhood, Even Beloved by Toni Morrison. So there's so many to think about. And again, I know my mother would love to have a book for Mother's Day if she's lucky enough to get a present. And I bet your mother would, too.
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Charlie
Well, we have sort of forgotten Something you mentioned. Your mother, the mother of my children. We should throw in a mention of a good mother.
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Kate
My mother was amazing. I once said about her that my mother wasn't just a trailblazer. My mother burned forests. She didn't just raise me and she didn't just raise Jessica. She, she was the head of girls schools. She was a leader for so, so many girls. She believes in single sex education.
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Charlie
Yes, she believes in single sex education. One of her favorite lines, one of my favorite lines that she says is boys should go to co ed schools, girls should go to single sex schools. At least some at some point in their time of education. I know that's not possible.
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Kate
She does realize that's an impossibility. You know, you don't have to phone anyone. But she raised me to be a strong person and to stick up for what's right. And she raised my sister to do the same. And she did it so well that I wanted to be a mother. So she did it so well that she made me want to join one of the toughest clubs, but most rewarding clubs I've ever been a part of. And I'm so thankful that she's my mom and I'm so thankful that she's still with us, even if she still thinks she's right about everything. And frankly, and frankly, I'll tell you guys a secret. She usually is.
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Charlie
That's Minnesota passive aggressive R. I know, I know.
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Kate
She usually is like, honestly, she usually is right about most things. So, I mean, she's, she's smart, she's kind, she's beautiful. And she made me who I am. And I could not be more grateful.
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Charlie
So we both say, arlene, happy Mother's Day. We're going to remind you of those who labor to make this podcast possible. And then we go back for a final thought to Kaoh Kalia Yang. It's a nice thought leading up to a special day.
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Kate
Happy Mother's Day.
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Charlie
The Bookcase with Kate and Charlie is a joint production of Good Morning America and ABC Audio. It it is edited by Tom Butler of TKO Productions and our executive producer is Simone Swink. We want to make special mention of Amanda McMaster, Sabrina Kohlberg and Ariel Chester of ABC Good Morning America and Josh Cohan of ABC Audio. You can follow us and rate and review this podcast wherever you get your podcasts. And if you like to find any of the books mentioned on this podcast, you can find them listed in the episode description.
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Kao Kalia Yang
In the chasm between heaven and earth, all the mothers stand, holding the sky above their children. When the load is heavy, their knees bend, their arms shake. The earth trembles with their exertions. They do this so that the children remain protected even when the mothers are gone. The force of their love lingers in the light of dawn and dusk beneath the sprinkles of sun and rain. May it always be so.
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Charlie
Another pina colada?
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Kate
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Kate
Fantastic.
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