“A Beautiful Couple” Full Discussion

Summary

Summary of "A Beautiful Couple" Full Discussion on The Book Lisp with Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna

Episode Details

• Podcast: The Book Lisp with Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna
• Hosts: Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna
• Episode Title: “A Beautiful Couple” Full Discussion
• Release Date: June 23, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of The Book Lisp, hosts Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna delve deep into their full discussion of Leslie Wolf's psychological thriller, A Beautiful Couple. Balancing humor with insightful analysis, Jon and Sarah explore the intricacies of the plot, character motivations, and the novel's unexpected twists, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of the book's strengths and shortcomings.

Initial Impressions

Sarah Colonna kicks off the discussion with enthusiasm, expressing her excitement about dissecting the book. Jon Ryan shares his initial thoughts, appreciating the book overall despite finding certain characters frustrating, a reaction he notes was intentional on the author's part.

Jon Ryan [00:54]: “Overall, I thought it was good. I think that there was, obviously, there's a lot of characters that frustrate me, but that's, you know, done on purpose.”

Character Analysis and Plot Development

The conversation swiftly moves to character dynamics, particularly focusing on Paul Davis, whose portrayal as a morally reprehensible character drew strong reactions from both hosts and readers alike. Jon reflects on the polarized reception Paul received from Goodreads reviews, highlighting how a single character can evoke such strong emotions.

Jon Ryan [02:03]: “How can anyone write someone like that? That's... he's not real. I can just imagine this woman, like, calling the publisher and be like, can I talk to Paul, please? Paul Davis, put him on the line. That prick.”

Sarah Colonna echoes Jon's sentiments, emphasizing the deliberate crafting of characters meant to elicit strong feelings, whether love or hate. She discusses how negative perceptions of characters like Paul can accelerate the reading pace as she turns pages eager to see the character's downfall.

Key Plot Points and Twists

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the book's pivotal scenes, particularly the charity event and the subsequent hit-and-run incident. Sarah outlines the sequence of events leading to Amanda's desperate actions against Paul, showcasing how her character transitions from a distressed wife to an accomplice in murder.

Sarah Colonna [04:06]: “I think when they're first at that event... How could anyone write someone like that?... She's just wanting him to learn a lesson.”

Jon and Sarah critique the plausibility of certain plot developments, such as Amanda's rapid escalation from seeking a lesson to committing murder. They debate whether these turns enhance or strain the narrative's credibility, ultimately acknowledging that while some aspects required suspension of disbelief, they added layers of complexity to the story.

Themes and Author’s Intent

The hosts delve into the underlying themes of image management and moral compromise. They discuss Paul's obsession with maintaining a squeaky-clean image despite his heinous actions, exploring the irony and futility of his efforts.

Sarah Colonna [24:34]: “It's so funny how someone's image means so much to them. And I... you find this in real life."

Jon adds his perspective on the superficiality of Paul's character, relating it to real-life observations of people prioritizing image over genuine integrity.

Narrative Structure and Style

Sarah shares her appreciation for Leslie Wolf's narrative techniques, particularly how the book's structure—using both first and third-person perspectives—enhances the storytelling. She highlights moments where subtle hints foreshadow major plot twists, demonstrating Wolf's skill in maintaining suspense.

Sarah Colonna [47:39]: “I really liked it... It made for a great twist.”

Critical Reception and Ratings

Both hosts unanimously praise A Beautiful Couple for its engaging plot and unexpected twists. Sarah rates the book a perfect five out of five cocktails, commending its ability to maintain suspense and deliver a satisfying conclusion. Jon adjusts his initial rating, moving from eight to nine out of twelve beers, recognizing the book's strengths despite earlier reservations about plausibility.

Jon Ryan [47:17]: “I'm gonna give it a nine. I'm gonna drop a beer.”

Conclusion and Recommendations

Wrapping up the discussion, Jon and Sarah recommend A Beautiful Couple to listeners who enjoy psychological thrillers with complex characters and intricate plots. They express interest in exploring more works by Leslie Wolf, intrigued by the author's ability to craft compelling narratives.

Sarah Colonna [48:45]: “But it did make for a great twist and I love a great twist.”

The hosts also tease their upcoming July book pick, Meet Me at the Lake by Carly Fortune, promising a diverse reading experience for their audience.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jon Ryan [00:54]: “Overall, I thought it was good. I think that there was, obviously, there's a lot of characters that frustrate me, but that's, you know, done on purpose.”

• Jon Ryan [02:03]: “How can anyone write someone like that? That's... he's not real. I can just imagine this woman, like, calling the publisher and be like, can I talk to Paul, please? Paul Davis, put him on the line. That prick.”

• Sarah Colonna [04:06]: “I think when they're first at that event... How could anyone write someone like that?... She's just wanting him to learn a lesson.”

• Sarah Colonna [24:34]: “It's so funny how someone's image means so much to them. And I... you find this in real life."

• Jon Ryan [47:17]: “I'm gonna give it a nine. I'm gonna drop a beer.”

• Sarah Colonna [48:45]: “But it did make for a great twist and I love a great twist.”

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Final Thoughts

The Book Lisp with Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna offers a thorough and animated exploration of A Beautiful Couple, balancing critical analysis with relatable humor. Whether you're a fan of psychological thrillers or simply enjoy dynamic book discussions, this episode provides valuable insights and engaging commentary that enrich your reading experience.

Transcript

[Sarah Colonna]

Hi, I'm Sarah Colonna.

[John Ryan]

And I'm John Ryan.

[Sarah Colonna]

And you're listening to the Book List. The Book List.

[John Ryan]

The Book Lisp.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, that's right. You're listening to the Book Lisp. Hello and welcome to the Book Lisp with John Ryan and Sarah Colonna. Hi, John.

[John Ryan]

Hello.

[Sarah Colonna]

Why do you look. You look, like, shorter today for some reason.

[John Ryan]

I'm kind of hunching over the. The microphone today.

[Sarah Colonna]

Are you?

[John Ryan]

I'm ready to get at it.

[Sarah Colonna]

Ready to get at it. I know it's. Oh, there you go. There you go. It's exciting. This is when we get to talk about our full discussion of a beautiful couple. A Couple. A Beautiful Couple by Leslie Wolf.

[John Ryan]

Wolf.

[Sarah Colonna]

Wolf. Are your initial thoughts on it, John?

[John Ryan]

Overall, overall, I thought it was good. I think that there was, obviously, there's a lot of characters that frustrate me, but that's, you know, done on purpose. Obviously. I thought the had a pretty good little turn at the end.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

You know, a little surprise ending. I think that some of it was, like, hard to, like, fathom that it could ever happen. Like, plausible plausibility wasn't high. And I think that was some of the reviews I read. But, you know, it was a book. Get over it. I thought it was good.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Most psychological thrillers that you read, well, that's not true. Some of them definitely could happen, but for the most part, when something like this, I'm not thinking about whether or not it seems realistic. I guess it just is. I got sucked into the characters they were. So I think because you had so many issues with a couple of the characters, that makes me, even though I. I found Paul completely irredeemable, it just made me sort of turn the pages faster to see what was.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I think that's good. When an author does that, when they make you, like, love a character so much or hate a character so much, I think they kind of did their job. So I, I read some of the reviews on Goodreads because Goodreads is pretty good for the reviews. Pretty people are pretty honest. And most of reviews, I always laugh because I always find some good reviews. This one woman, she wrote Paul, is disgusting, perverted. How could anyone write a character like this? One star? I'm like. I'm like, okay. But like, he's not. He's not real. I can just imagine this woman, like, calling the publisher and be like, can I talk to Paul, please? Paul Davis, put him on the line. That prick. It's just a character in a book, but I'm Also like this woman's review. I'm like, also. But like, you hate him because they're perfect, but he's also a murderer. You kind of left you. You're okay with the murdering. Just not just. Not the misogyny, but the, the murdering is fine.

[Sarah Colonna]

Put Paul on the phone. I want to talk to him about.

[John Ryan]

You know who I'm talking about.

[Sarah Colonna]

I want to talk to him about his attitude. Oh, he murdered someone, ma' am. I don't care about that. He's got a bad attitude. That's really funny. Well, he. Yeah, I mean, also. What do you mean? How can anyone write someone like that? That's. There's a lot of characters written that way. There's.

[John Ryan]

How could people. How could. How could a woman write anyone like that?

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, probably because she's met people like that before.

[John Ryan]

Exactly.

[Sarah Colonna]

I think the main question at the beginning is when you first start. When they go into the. We just launched right into it, by the way, if you want to watch the video of this, or more importantly, we have bonus content. It's over on Patreon and it's only $5 a month. The book list on Patreon. It's a way to support us. And it's $5 a month. You get three episodes a month right now. Along one of them is a short story. So that's been super fun. Sometimes we'll do little personal quick videos. We're going to do more of those. And. And like I said, if you wanted to watch the video, you can. Or you can just also listen to it there. And just listen to the bonus content. Yeah. And join the book listeners on Facebook.

[John Ryan]

So.

[Sarah Colonna]

I think when they're first at that event, at the charity event, and we all get the irony of what the event is and what happens afterwards and his insistence on driving. And if you've listened to last week's episode, we talked about how maybe charity events need to have valets with breathalyzers or something. Because what are we doing when we have these charity events and an open bar and. And then people driving away and we know that 97% of them don't have a designated driver anyway. But yeah, right. When you. When he's being gross and he's talking about his co worker and his former co worker and the lady in the red dress and all this, and you're. You're immediately like, what is this woman who's so successful doing with this douchebag? But then you find out later that she walked in on him, cheating on her, she threatened to leave. She's tried to leave and she's terrified he can take her kid away, which she seems a little smarter than that. But then she does seem a little over. She, they. They all, you know, she. They try to drive home this point of, like, he's this local hero in town and knows everybody because of his job as an anchorman, where he is, I don't know, the Barbara Walters of his local station or something, or so he fancies himself, but he's not. But where he has all these ties and he can get anyone on his side and blah, blah, blah. So she is afraid of losing her son at the end of the day is why, is how the author got us to believe that she'll stay with him.

[John Ryan]

Yes, that's her main fear. Let's just say that that part's like, it's hard to fathom that she, like, at very worst, she'd get half custody, right?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. I mean, they keep holding. It's funny because they. He brings up how she got drunk at a charity event.

[John Ryan]

Right. And puked or something. Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

And threw up in a park. Yeah. And. And we don't. We never hear anything else. They just say that she got too drunk. They. It's referred to three or four times in the book. So if more happens, we needed to know because finally the only thing that Paul basically says is that he's got a video of her throwing up in the parking lot. I'm like, that's not going to get your child taken away from you. That's just. That's just a bad night.

[John Ryan]

If. If I avoided every situation where people have videos of me puking in parking lots, I wouldn't be able to do anything with my life. I just have to stay at home. I mean, there's got to be videos out there that probably aren't impressive. I don't care.

[Sarah Colonna]

I don't believe for a second that there's a video of you throwing out a parking lot, because I've never seen you get sick throw up. Yeah, that's true.

[John Ryan]

But if. But I will say, bother me.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, no, but I will say, what another douchebag move of Paul. His wife's sick, throwing up in a parking lot, and he decides to take a video.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, yeah. He's like, blackmail time.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, yeah. Or he was probably thinking it was funny.

[John Ryan]

Right?

[Sarah Colonna]

You know, that's such, like, a thing these days.

[John Ryan]

Whenever I see, like, people, like, someone, like, falls. They're, like, laying on the ground. The first thing is, like, a camera. It's like, what Your first thing should be helping them.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

Reach for your camera, you weirdo.

[Sarah Colonna]

That would be nice.

[John Ryan]

When. So when they get in this accident, we watch a lot of true crime tv and I always, like, in my head, I'm always like a lot of Dateline. I'm always like, I could, like, I could get out of that. I know how. I know how to get out of that. And so I'm trying to put myself in, like, their shoes and like, I could get. I have no clue. There's no way to get out of it.

[Sarah Colonna]

No.

[John Ryan]

Do you do the same?

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, first of all, don't drink.

[John Ryan]

Don't drink and drive. Especially on those. We know the area. I don't know does that. Do they say it happens on the PCH or just like a back.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's Malibu Canyon Road. It's very windy. I mean, don't drink and drive anywhere. But also just on top of it, it's a. And. And he's got a designated driver with him. She did. She, she didn't drink all night. She had. We find out later. She, she was basically. If he hadn't done what he did, she was going to help him. It was. She was just wanting him to learn a lesson. But he wasn't going to go to jail for this. She wasn't going to. I mean, she set it all up at the end of the day. But I'm just saying, he, He. If he hadn't done. Acted the way he did and tossed this woman's body down a ravine and within seconds.

[John Ryan]

I love, I love, like the whole way, he's like, when that jumped out.

[Sarah Colonna]

At me, oh, he's the worst.

[John Ryan]

He's just like, he's talking. He's degrading a woman who he murdered that he doesn't know whatsoever. That. When that jumped out of me, blah, blah, blah. Like, oh, I'm. Do. I'm. This is all my. This is gonna be the rest of my life. Because that. I'm like, it's like, it's so crazy what a piece of he is.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know. It's. And when they, when he goes to work the next day or a couple days later and they, and they say he raised 5 million, he's like, text her, oh, we raised 5 million. Too bad. That ruined my. Yeah. And you're like, oh, my God. And when you, when you get to the end and you've. It's. It's already disgusting. But when you get to the end and find out this was a woman that Amanda was trying to help the whole Time. And then of course, did set up Paul running her over. But if, if, when you get to that point, you realize all those text messages stuff are even worse than just like the rage she must have been feeling. Now, I just want to ask you one thing, because I went back through my notes and was looking and you know how I was talking to you about how I'm. I was reading it was the Perfect Marriage, and there was a couple twists in that that didn't necessarily make a ton of sense to me due to the fact that it was all written in first person.

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay.

[John Ryan]

I've been thinking a lot about this.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. In this book, I think she doesn't. Excellent job of it being so on. I was looking at this. There's a couple of things on at the valet after the night, she says she's a nervous wreck, anxious for everything to be over. And when you're first reading that, you're just thinking she's talking about her doucheback husband. The event. Yeah, everything.

[John Ryan]

Oh, good catch.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And then he's driving home, and at one point she said she thinks to herself, it won't be much longer while he's driving. So I think that's when she. They're getting close to the spot where she told her to jump out. And then I thought I caught. Because she texts. She. While she's texting, she texts at one point on the way home, and he says, who are you. Who. Who are you texting at this hour? And she says, oh, so. And so I told her I'd meet her at the bar for a drink and.

[John Ryan]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. So. And then she. And then she finishes her. Her text. It says, I just left, so sorry. And then she says she shows it to him.

[John Ryan]

Oh.

[Sarah Colonna]

Kind of holds it up to him, like, See, that's what I said. Whatever. But the only thing is later at. So I thought, oh, that's her saying I just left. And then.

[John Ryan]

Then, like, get ready to jump out in front of the car.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And that's her way of telling her. But then later at the end, when she tells how all the plan went with. With Esperanza. Right.

[John Ryan]

Yep.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. When she tells the. How the whole thing. Thing went with her, she says that she had a burner phone and texted her oh. When they left. So I don't know if that's the same one because he would notice if it was a different phone, but also maybe he wouldn't because he doesn't seem to even notice his wife's existence. So. No, I. I'M not sure if that text was. Was supposed to be a tie back or a tie ahead, I guess I should say. But other things she's saying, leaving the event definitely were. And I like that.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, no, for sure. I like. I didn't. I didn't catch that because I don't think I really, in my head went back to that. That's. That's really good because, yeah, obviously when she's. She would say, like, nervous wreck or won't be much longer, you think that right until the end, you think it's like she's can't wait for the divorce or whatever, get home away from this guy. And then it turns out she's like, wants us to be over. She wants them to hit Esperanza.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes. So I think that it made me feel like there was good work in her thoughts. But we don't know that the thoughts have anything to do with the twist later, but they can. And so, I mean, throughout the book, different things when she's getting nervous and all that does that makes sense to me. Right. Because she, at the end of the day, she did help him cover up. I don't think she expected it to go the way it went as far as covering up and him throwing a body down the ravine. She was shocked. She got scared because, I mean, I'll tell you what, it's one thing to have your husband be this a cheat and all this stuff, and you're just like, I hate this guy. He's gross. And then he turned on me and said, no one will ever take my kid away from me, sweetheart. Remember that? And he's just. He's kind of a emotional abuser, it seems like, especially when you find out at the end when she tried to tell her what happened to Marisol and he is just tried to tell him what happened to Marisol, and she just wants to be held that night. And he's just like, oh, God, get over it. Everyone has.

[John Ryan]

Don't take. Don't bring your. Don't bring your work home with you, is what he told her.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, God. Meanwhile, she's got to listen to this guy talk about news station business all the time. And not that that's not important, but come on. There's little child died in a horrible way. So anyway. But it's one thing to have him be like that and another, I think, for her as. As the character of Amanda to see him, the way he reacted and then just. And then just covered it up and tossed her body down her. So I think everything switched and she was in a different mode after that. And that's why we didn't see hints of her being involved, in my opinion.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I can see that. I don't know. I don't really have any opinion on it.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I just mean it's a wild turn of events for her that he's tossing a woman down a well.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I guess she. I think she kind of thought that they would hit them and then like, what? Like, call the police and like call the ambulance and be like, this woman just jumped out of me and they're gonna find out that she was like five weeks till death and that she clearly just jumped out on someone in a dark highway. It's obviously an accident by us, but we did our favor by. By I just euthanizing her, I guess, if you will.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. She think. She said she wanted to teach him a lesson, but he would have been off the hook. And her plan was that he would just.

[John Ryan]

It would have humbled him a bit.

[Sarah Colonna]

Humbled him a bit. And also she was helping this woman in the meantime. Now, he could have handed her the keys and she could have been the one to hit him. Hit her. Right. She knew that he probably wouldn't do that. She even said she had something with her to reduce alcohol absorption if he did the right thing.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. Is that a real thing?

[Sarah Colonna]

I don't know. I know.

[John Ryan]

I was like, is that a real thing?

[Sarah Colonna]

I don't know.

[John Ryan]

He probably wouldn't even blowing over point zero eight. I gave him the special, you know, drug.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I don't know anything about that, but maybe it's something from the. We got any critical care er. I mean, doctor, nurse, partner.

[John Ryan]

That is kind of crazy. Is that like she went from teaching him a lesson to this, like, going from 0 to 100 real quick? Like, going for, like, why. Why didn't she just like, call the police right there? Why didn't she say, no.

[Sarah Colonna]

This is.

[John Ryan]

Part of the plan? Yeah, I know. I know you're not over the limit because I gave you this. Whatever. I'm not going to help you throw this body over. I'm not going to go rent a Cadillac. Like, she goes all in. Right after she went from teaching him a lesson, everything was still in place. That if she would have just called 91 1, the whole plan would have went exactly how she said it would have went. Because as we later find out, he wasn't drunk.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right.

[John Ryan]

So the whole plan would have kept on going off without a hitch had she just called 91 1. But instead she Goes from I'm going to call, obviously that's part of my plan to just flipping the plan completely on its head and throwing the body into the ditch. Covering up, renting a car, helping all the. It's like it keeps on going. It's like, whoa. And then eventually she murdered someone as a result. Is that.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, well, I think so. It's not that we find out that he wasn't drunk. I think they just found out. They couldn't, they wouldn't be able to prove it at that point.

[John Ryan]

Right. But I think when she, she said at the end where she goes, I gave him that special pill or whatever, the alcohol wouldn't be absorbed. So.

[Sarah Colonna]

No, she says I had it on me. She was going to give it to him.

[John Ryan]

Did give it to him.

[Sarah Colonna]

No. So she had it on her.

[John Ryan]

Well, I misunderstood that.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. If he did the right thing, she would have given that to him. But he didn't. And I think because he basically dragged the body and threw it down a ravine where again it's, it's all so.

[John Ryan]

Escalated, the whole plan would have still been in place. She would have called 901 and said, Take this pill. And then we would have been good.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes. But he.

[John Ryan]

Okay, I got you.

[Sarah Colonna]

But he went straight to scaring the out of her. And I mean that's what we're supposed to believe. Right? That's just.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. I'm gonna say at no point like the next morning she could have called 901. She could have like, I mean the book would have sucked. It would have been over in one chapter.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right? Yeah. A lot of things could have been different, but it would have been a two chapter book. But.

[John Ryan]

But then she's like becomes actually she's like totally guilty too because she's like helping cover up the murder.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes. But all along she also knows the woman wanted to die.

[John Ryan]

If I hit someone with my car, obviously I would stop and call the police.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes.

[John Ryan]

100. But if it's a person like this, the, the two things that I would not do, the absolute two things I would not do, is go and put my car through the car wash three consecutive times at one in the morning.

[Sarah Colonna]

With one morning with the windshield crack. That was the one thing as I. How did they do that when she was holding a towel on the windshield when that cop stop cracked the point.

[John Ryan]

When she's almost like holding it up. Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. So how did it last through a car wash but to go to a.

[John Ryan]

Rental car place where there's cameras everywhere and you leave a paper trail around renting the exact same car that you own.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Now we, if you really go back and lay out her react, her, her, the things she did afterwards to help, I, I, it doesn't, some of that doesn't make a ton of sense. Right. Of course. And like you said her, I was like, why are you going to the rental car? Why are you doing that? You're like, you're putting it in your name and if something happens, it's going to look like you did this. But I think she was scared of him. And then he did also remember. Remember? I mean, he said, how do we know it wasn't you? How do we know that you weren't driving?

[John Ryan]

And, but it's also funny. She's like, we need to get a new car. Because if you show up in a different car or if you take an Uber or something, people be suspicious. Like, I worked in the same place for 10 years and I had no clue what anyone really drove on a day to day basis. If someone showed up in a new car or a different car, I wouldn't have even fucking batted an eye. Like, what kind of, this is a real like catty workplace. Everyone's up in each other's business apparently.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Well, the parking decal, that was.

[John Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

Ended up being what gave him away at the end.

[John Ryan]

And then the office was onto it.

[Sarah Colonna]

I'll tell you what, don't piss off an L. Jaczynski. Don't piss off a cop. Don't. That guy, because he, he's been accused of excessive force a couple times. He's got, he's going to be an interview that night, or this is after the accident. He's going to be an interview, a big home run interview for our Paul. Our Paul. And he has a, he has a nail in the coffin for him because he knows that he basically covered up his only wife's dui, Right. And she turns out to be an alcoholic and all this stuff. But he doesn't use his ace in the hole. However, Al Jazinski sees the notes and he's like, that guy's out to get me. And then I, I mean, talk about this cop. The second he finds out that there was a charity event right around the corner from where this body was found a few days later, he's like, who was there? They go, paul Davis. He's like, he did it. He just jumped it. He just jumped. It was Paul Davis, but he wanted it to be. And he got lucky.

[John Ryan]

If I could go for a beer with one person in this story It'd be Al Jacinski.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, yeah.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I think so.

[Sarah Colonna]

Little dog with a bone, that's why.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I think it'd be fun. Old Al. He reminds me of Ed Cash from Ellen Hildebrand's books. Oh, yeah, the chief.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

Police on the island of Nantucket.

[Sarah Colonna]

The guy about town. Sort of.

[John Ryan]

Yes.

[Sarah Colonna]

Although I guess we don't really know much about the reason that he was at the interview in the first place with his excessive force claims or whatever. So I don't know if he's exactly like Ed from Nantucket.

[John Ryan]

No. Little hard, more hardcore.

[Sarah Colonna]

But I did feel for him. And since we don't know, they didn't delve into that, so we don't really know, but it was. I felt for him with his wife being. Being a cop. And then. His wife's what? His wife's aunt is the mayor of Los Angeles, and he's a cop, and he's having to deal with his wife being a drunk and she's gotten. Getting DUIs, and probably everyone in the station knows, and they're like, oh, Jesus Christ, Al's wife again. Blah, blah. Just not good.

[John Ryan]

A lot. A lot of talk around the water cooler at the police department.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

Not the guy you wanted, but old.

[Sarah Colonna]

Mrs. Not the guy you want to piss off.

[John Ryan]

No. So do you think it's necessary in the story for her to kill that guy when she goes to the bar?

[Sarah Colonna]

Right.

[John Ryan]

Do you think that's one of those things where, like, she. Like, now. Now we. We. Now we know that she just can't go to the police because now she's like, she can't just be like, that was my husband. He did that. And they're like, oh, well, you also. Now we're gonna find out that you murdered someone too.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

And neither of them will have a. Then their kid won't have a parent at all.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right. And that. So it's. So, yeah. So when he starts threatening her, he even. He gets in her head and says. She says, no, there was valet. There's cameras that show you driving away. And he goes, are there. Like, she starts thinking maybe he deleted all that stuff. Like, she's really all in when she has to help cover this up now. But when she. Yeah, they have that fight, she goes to the bar and she decides she's gonna hook up with the guy who then tries to assault her, and she pushes him down the stairs and he dies and they put him in a freezer. It was quite a. It was quite a turn. I wasn't expecting it.

[John Ryan]

Once again, watching daylight. If you ever kill someone in self defense, don't clean it up and put them in a. In a freezer. Okay. You're not guilty of anything. You're going to get off.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, okay.

[John Ryan]

It's a self. But also she was. Here's the one thing I didn't believe. She's like, I'm still buzzing from that half a beer I drank over at the bar. You're still buzzing an hour later from a half a beer you had at the bar.

[Sarah Colonna]

Maybe she's a lightweight. Maybe she takes that alcohol absorption thing or. No, I guess that would be the opposite.

[John Ryan]

The anti.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I don't that that part because she already felt scared that he could somehow frame her. She already felt that. And even though we even hear Paul doubt himself and Paul says she's in with these cops because they're always over at the hospital, they're going to probably believe her. I didn't really delete videos but she doesn't know that. But again she has seen him just take a body that he didn't know whose it was and just toss it over ravine instead of just calling 911 and saying it's the middle of a canyon. So someone just jumped out in front of me. I don't think it's your. It's. It's not going to be his fault. Right. But then he's so worried about his image though. This guy and his image.

[John Ryan]

My God, it is.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's so. His image means. It's so funny how someone's image means so much to them. And I. You find this in real life. Enough. Someone who's the biggest just pos. Just not a good person treats women like dirt. Is banging his co worker, is humiliating his wife at every turn, is basically threatening her to stay in the marriage because he wants this squeaky clean image that his. His boss also thinks is good for his brand. And nobody in Los Angeles gives a. If you're married, by the way, if you're a news anchor and you're married or not. Just FYI. I, I love the book but that. That might be the farthest fetched part.

[John Ryan]

Here. I've met so many people like that. I'm like if you want a squeaky clean image, then just be a squeaky clean human being.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the part that. Taking too long to get to.

[John Ryan]

No.

[Sarah Colonna]

No.

[John Ryan]

I'm worried about canceling a guy from freaking ktla. Okay. No one cares.

[Sarah Colonna]

But it's just. It's funny because the fact that you care so much about it, but you're the dirtbag. It's. I would. It makes more sense to be someone who. Who keeps his side of the street clean and is worried about. About someone mistaking him for somebody he's not or something like that. It makes more sense for somebody who's a good person. But then. Then you think about it. No, it doesn't actually. Because if you're a good person, you're like, well, I don't have anything to worry about. I don't have to worry about my image. I'm. I don't have. You don't have anything on me. I'm not gross. But I guess that's why. Yeah, that's true.

[John Ryan]

Never thought of that. People that are squeaky clean aren't worried about people not thinking they're squeaky clean.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, well, except Amanda, who was. Could have been squeaky clean. And it is a good point, though. I guess it just took such a turn up there that she got kind of freaked out and then she became part of it and then remember even though that she had already gone to the Cadillac dealership and everything before this. So I can't explain why she woke up just going, team Paul, I'm going to help you figure this out.

[John Ryan]

Now. I got him.

[Sarah Colonna]

But when she was in the hospital and I don't remember if it was Jacinski or the other cop that was talking to her because there was. She. Remember she has to call in a guy who's in the hospital because he matches the identity of someone who's got a BOLO for a hit and run, be on the lookout, and he turns out to be a guy who had just left a child and her father or mother after hitting them and. And he took off. So she is against patients being called, police being called on patients because she says that stops people from coming in to get the help they need, blah, blah, blah. But they, they basically, they're going to do it anyway. So she makes the phone call her boyfriend, Dr. Grant. He's not her boyfriend, but he wants to be wanted. I wanted her to just get. I, I was like, could. I wish she would have just banged Dr. Grant instead of killed somebody. Gone. Gone home and accidentally killed somebody, you know?

[John Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

And not got. Yeah. I kind of wish she would have just banged Dr. Grant one and just. That could have been her. One thing she did wrong instead of a stuffing a body in a freezer. But anyway, when. When she talks to the cop after that, remember he comes in and he says there's going to Be a woman who comes in to see him. Call me when she does or something. And she's like, why? And he says, well, she was in the car with him. She goes, okay, what does that matter? And you could tell she starts questioning.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

So. And he's like, well, then she's an accomplice. And she goes, well, what if she's his wife? He says, well, this isn't. Doesn't matter. It's. She's an accomplice. And, and, and she's. She could be just as guilty as him, but. And so I think those kind of encounters are what we are supposed to see. Keep her spiraling, thinking she can't. It's too late to come clean now. She can't turn him in because now she's weigh it especially.

[John Ryan]

She's too far in.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, yeah. And that's before she stuffed the body in a freezer.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, that. I mean, that whole scene like escalates so quickly. She's like, I'm going to go into this bar. I don't only do this, but to go to the bar. Okay, I'm going to order a beer. Okay. I drink half beer. I'm going to go home with this guy. Oh, we're starting to make out. Oh my God, I'm going to throw down the stairs. It was like two pages. She like went to the bar. So uncharacteristic. Had a half a beer, picked up a guy, went home and killed him in like, like, it was like, was. It was like that was the shortest chapter of the book. And she did all this stuff.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's a really good point. It was the shortest chapter. It went, it went by so fast. I just went. I had whiplash. I just wait.

[John Ryan]

Happened.

[Sarah Colonna]

She killed somebody. And then she calls Paul to come over to help her.

[John Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

And he immediately just goes, what'd you do? She's like, whatever, just help me. And then. And he does. And he ends up thinking basically, well, I got you now. Now you really can't.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, that's when there's like, we're both. Now we're both so fucked that we, we got each other. If anyone wants to do anything.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, we're in. And that's where in this nothing bonds a couple like each of you murdering somebody.

[John Ryan]

Definitely knew that because she, you know, they always say, like the first person, the police stations, the one who gets the lightest sentence, she made sure she was kind of the first one to be like, okay, give me a blanket umbrella of, of what do you call it?

[Sarah Colonna]

A Deal.

[John Ryan]

Give me a deal.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, but what's called something else. But I can't think of the right.

[John Ryan]

Give me a deal and then I'll tell you everything. Like, make sure nothing I did between this date and this date. And they're like, okay, what's.

[Sarah Colonna]

It starts with an A. Not amenity.

[John Ryan]

Nope.

[Sarah Colonna]

Definitely not appetizer.

[John Ryan]

Nope. Not appetizer either.

[Sarah Colonna]

Not anonymity.

[John Ryan]

Aluminum.

[Sarah Colonna]

Not aluminum. Oh, God. I know. Our listeners are screaming right now what the word is to us. And we're both. Makes it worse when you can't think of it. And maybe it doesn't even start with an A. Okay. But she wants a deal. A blanket deal. Yeah, that's way later, clearly, but doesn't matter. We're not going in any order. No, she knows that they're screwed. You could see. So when. Because Jasinsky again, Uncle Al, Dog with a bone. He's been really on it, right? Like he's in. I think it was when he goes to interview some guy in the neighborhood. And that guy says, oh, my son Grant was a valet at this event. And he said all these people were there, so they get a lot of names from them. And he again brings up that Paul Davis was there. So immunity.

[John Ryan]

Immunity.

[Sarah Colonna]

Immunity. Oh, my God, guys, thank you.

[John Ryan]

Sorry.

[Sarah Colonna]

Also does not start with an A. I, M, U, N, I, T, Y. Immunity. I don't want anyone to.

[John Ryan]

That's why I was trying to help you. I pronounced it immunity.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, immunity. I know, but I just want everyone to know that I don't think that immunity starts with an A.

[John Ryan]

Immunity.

[Sarah Colonna]

So I don't even know what we were talking about.

[John Ryan]

The valet. The valet, the kids, the neighbor kids.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, well, they just get a bunch of names. And of course Paul Davis is in there too, because he's a local. Grant's like, oh, the guy, Paul Davis was there and he gave this great speech, which, by the way, remember from the very beginning, even though Paul was already being gross at the charity event dinner, I already knew I didn't like him because he made some dumb joke. Do you remember it?

[John Ryan]

No, I remember making dumb joke. I don't remember what it was.

[Sarah Colonna]

And he was proud of it too. He said, do you know why it was. Do you know why the news anchor sat on the teleprompter?

[John Ryan]

Why?

[Sarah Colonna]

Because he wanted to be on top of the news.

[John Ryan]

Oh, boy.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, he made that joke. And he quote unquote, beamed at the audience's reaction. So this guy, just to go back to Paul, has no self awareness. Okay. No, that's the. If I have to sit. I just. The idea of this core corporate gig where this guy who loves himself so much gets up there and tells the dumbest dad joke in the world and we all have to applaud it. I can't. Makes me mad.

[John Ryan]

Babe, you and I have been to a hundred of these events where some. The. The. The. The boss of the company or the head coach or the general manager, whoever stands up and just gives a terrible speech, terrible jokes. Everyone's laughing like there's a freaking funniest thing they've ever heard. And it's just painful.

[Sarah Colonna]

Painful.

[John Ryan]

I want to tell a story about that. We had our very first Christmas party when John Schneider, my good friend John Schneider, got hired by the Seahawks. And we were having. We weren't having a great year and Christmas party. Like, no one really knew him yet. I mean, we knew him here or there. Like, I knew him well, but not everyone really knew him that well yet.

[Sarah Colonna]

You knew him well because he was.

[John Ryan]

The packers and he signed me to the packers, too. Like, I'd already known for five or six years. And so he gets up on stage to give, like, his speech and he just does an entire 5 minute Chris Farley bit from Saturday Night Live. That. That's it. He does a whole. He does not. Like, hey, well, we've had a rough season. We're doing. Blah, blah. He's got into the 5 minute Chris Farley skit. Oh, my God, it was incredible. Like, half the people there were cracking up. 25% of people, they were cracking up. And 75% of people were like, this is the GM of the Seattle. Like, we're screwed. It was, you know, I'm. So. You say how hilarious that would be.

[Sarah Colonna]

I could, I would be laughing. I could picture it because I know. I don't even. I don't know him nearly as well as you do. I know him. I'm lucky enough to know him a little bit. And I love the guy and his wife and I have. I. I've seen him break out into a weird. Out of nowhere because he's obsessed with it. And I can only imagine the reaction.

[John Ryan]

It's a skit on Saturday Live where He interviews Paul McCartney and he's like, hey, Paul, do you remember. Do you remember, like, when you were like, in the Beatles and Paul Carney's like, yeah. He goes, that was awesome. And so he interviews Pete Carroll and he does that whole thing to Pete and he's like, hey, Pete, remember Pete? Do you remember the time that you were the coach of usc. That was awesome. A five minute interview, like doing that whole skit.

[Sarah Colonna]

And what was Pete doing?

[John Ryan]

I don't. I think he was just kind of laughing, like, what. What's going on? Anyways, I, that made me think of that story.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's. I love that story. And thank you.

[John Ryan]

Going back to the police station after, like, she like, says, like, I need this immunity. And the very first thing she says after he signs it is, I murdered somebody. Right. Like, she like talks about that, but then when they go back, they're like, they later find out that the police, like, we don't really have that much to go on, you know, I mean, like talking about Paul, like, we, yeah, we probably could have got off because we don't have that much. The only thing now we really have to go on is like her saying that her husband did it. I mean, like, we know something's messed up with the car. The timing is right, but everything was circumstantial up to that point.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. The parking decal. Wait, that's right. Yeah. Because the parking decal, that seemed like they basically thought we got him. And that's why. So this was such a good part of the book, I thought, because that's actually when you see, not only did, I mean, not only did she clear herself, but she, she buried him. And she maybe didn't have to.

[John Ryan]

Right. Because it kind of seems like he probably would have got off.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Because she started to panic when she found out that the guy that she killed was on parole for doing terrible things. And she thought, oh, someone is going to find him sooner than I thought because he's a parole officer is going to come knocking on his door.

[John Ryan]

Right, right, right.

[Sarah Colonna]

And I mean, I don't know if they were going to open his freezer, but whatever. She started panicking about getting caught as, as one would if. If you've never murdered before, I'm sure it's. And now you've witnessed one and, and accidentally done one. I guess let's not say murder. It was self defense, whatever.

[John Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

But she, she's. She's spiraling and she is afraid of Paul. And of course we see him. You know, she's, she's threatened him a couple times. Right. He's going to that big meeting with his boss and she basically calls like, I'm not going to that, you douchebag. Good luck.

[John Ryan]

And I know I need to keep my image. I need to look like a family man. Like, you have to come.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. But she starts to put the screws to him, she says, I'm gonna. I'm not going. You can sign the papers. I'll pretend to support your career. No one has to know about our separation, but this is. That's it. And. And then he starts, like, getting very angry. And anyway, that's all to say that she is. By the time, like, you bring up. She's at. When she. When they both get called in because of the parking decal, because of them putting together all the dust on the car but not on the windshield or blah, blah, blah, and they take them both in. I think. I don't think that she realized there was. It was all circumstantial. I don't think anyone mentioned it to her. I don't think. I think she probably at this point, she's like, save myself, and that's it.

[John Ryan]

And yeah, I mean, when you look at it, I agree with you, but I think when you do look at it, there's a. There's so many circumstantial stuff that it probably started to, like, really add up. Like the guy, the creepy guy that was fixing the car. Then they found out that he was doing it.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I know.

[John Ryan]

He got paid a bunch of money. Then they found him murdered.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And then Paul's, like, shocked that that guy's murdered. And then Paul thinks, maybe I can get him in trouble. Maybe I can maybe. And give him the name of the Larry guy that I think murdered Fast Foster. Foster. Fast Lane, whatever his name was, the car guy. But that shady lawyer, he shouts out his name trying to save himself. But this is after. They already know they're doing an immunity deal. But, yeah, you're right. So when she says immunity from the night of the charity event to the moment I was arrested, she knows that includes when she pushed the. The douche, the guy, the gross guy, down.

[John Ryan]

Rapists.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes. Down the stairs. And he was a for in the past, too. So. But she. Even after they leave that room, you're right, they also. They talk. They start talking about it. They're like, we don't have. Like, do we. Do we do this deal with her? Because everything we have is circumstantial. Blah, blah, blah, what's going. And then they realize, yeah, do the deal, because everything we have is circumstantial and we're going to be able to tie it up. Yeah, this will tie it up. Right. And so in the end, she really does put the screws to him. And she's the reason. I mean, at least she said in the trial that she didn't think that he was drunk because she didn't want her son to think that he was drunk. But she did say that he had no remorse after running over Marisol. I mean, Esperanza, Marisol is the daughter.

[John Ryan]

No remorse.

[Sarah Colonna]

But I'll tell you what. Your spouse comes home from a bad day at work. Comfort them.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, you might want to listen to them.

[Sarah Colonna]

Look, what could happen. She could frame you for murder. I mean, at the end of the day, in a way, she framed him from the beginning because.

[John Ryan]

Kinda.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, right. If you really think about it, she kind. She was trying to do this woman a favorite.

[John Ryan]

It's a hell of a favor.

[Sarah Colonna]

It is a hell of a favor, and it's a hell of a.

[John Ryan]

Can I get. Can I borrow a cup of sugar? Can you murder me? Like, it's like, two different levels of favors there.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know. Especially when you think about. She's. She's very sick with cancer. She just lost her daughter in a horrific accident. And probably Amanda has access to some things that she could help her obtain, to take a bunch of. To let her peacefully pass in her sleep, and instead.

[John Ryan]

Or. Or I could hit you with my Cadillac going 70. What do you think? What do you think? It's up to you. It's up to you. I got these pills, but if you jump out in front of my car, it'll do it quick. You won't feel a thing.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's like she goes right to it. I don't. They go. She's like, how could you think you could help me die? I don't have anything left. Are you a mot mother of. And it's a very sad scene, and you feel very much for this woman, and you know that she's just fighting a losing battle and getting sicker by the day. And the only reason she was trying to stay alive was for her daughter, and now her daughter's gone. It's very sad. And. But it is funny that the. When she asks for help, the first thing Amanda thinks of, she's like, what would you say if I told you I could. I know where you could jump out of the middle of the road and you'd be good.

[John Ryan]

Is there another option, Dr. Or Nurse Davis? I think that's that. I will play that into account, but I'm going to put it down the list. Do you have any other options that you might be able to offer me, Mr. Dave or Nurse Davis?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Oh, well, we're in a hospital. I was thinking maybe you would offer me, like, a little bit of a Too many drugs, but yeah. Okay, so you're just going to run over me. Okay.

[John Ryan]

Fistful of Ambien. How about a fistful of Ambien? Yeah, there. First.

[Sarah Colonna]

We start there. A lot of pain pills in my pocket from an actual pain that I'm in. Could I just OD on those? Do I. Do I have to run out in front of your car on Malibu Canyon Road?

[John Ryan]

Esperanza, my husband owns a Cadillac. He's drunk a lot, and he drives too fast. Just gonna. Just gonna put this out there. What do you think?

[Sarah Colonna]

Girl? We're laughing at the. At the darkness of it, but, yes, it was. Go ahead.

[John Ryan]

Sorry. Go ahead. No, I was jumping ahead.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, well, I was just gonna say that's not. I didn't see that part coming. I didn't see the part coming. I. I saw her asking for immunity. I saw, you know, her when I thought, yeah, she's gonna try to save herself. She's got nothing left for this guy. She doesn't give a. About him. And now that they're both the spotlights on them both, she's got to figure it out. But I didn't see when he. When he does. When they do the trial and when he does get convicted and she whispers in his ear, which I love. We'll get to. But she tells her story that, basically, I was crushed by this awful thing that happened to this teenager. And then her mom came to me and she lays out the story really well. But of course, she doesn't have time to set. Say that to Paul. So instead she just says, nobody tries to take my son. Nobody takes my son away from me. Get that. Get that into your head, sweetheart. Which is what he said to her back when she wanted a divorce. And I thought that was kind of beautiful. Poetic justice, I thought it.

[John Ryan]

It sums up Paul. The whole thing is when they read the first verdict, not guilty of whatever it was and not guilty of the second thing, and he goes between the. After the first two readings in his head, he goes, man, I knew this lawyer isn't worth shit, but I should have hired one of those Ivy League guys. But if she gets me off on this, on these four counts, I'm gonna take her to Bahamas for a week and fuck her till she can't feel her legs.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, God.

[John Ryan]

And then third count guilty, fourth count guilty, just put, like, a nail, like, if anyone even, like, gave a speck of respect for you, it just, like, just nail in the coffin right before he goes to prison for however long he's going to go to prison for.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And I think that was a great little moment by the author to just. To really kind of make us. Not only. We're already cheering for his demise because he's done awful things and he is guilty of. But it is sort of a great little moment by the author to just remind you this guy has learned nothing. He has been. He's been out on bail. He hasn't been able to see us. Well, I don't know if he's seen his son while he was out on bail, but stayed. Stayed clear of Amanda and. And. And. Oh, they start. Yeah, he's already celebrating in his head, and he's just like, he has to say the grossest thing about the lawyer. And so I know she wants it. Oh, yeah. It was a good timing of them to. Of the author to give us a. A guilty verdict right after he said that. I liked that.

[John Ryan]

Y. Yeah. What else do you got? I think that's all I got.

[Sarah Colonna]

I mean, that's it. It's. That's what happened. It was, you know, we. We. We. We. We saw his complete disregard for. For what he did. He was worried about his shoes at one point when she was trying to get rid of all the bleach. His shoes. And. Yeah, I think I. I liked it. I. I'm. I'm a five out of five cocktails on this one. Because I really liked it. I'm. I'm fine with my suspended disbelief. Do I think that a couple of things needed to happen? No. Mostly the. The murder on her end. But did it just sort of add a layer of crazy to the story that I enjoyed reading? Absolutely.

[John Ryan]

Have you read any other Leslie Wolf books before?

[Sarah Colonna]

I have not, but I'm going to now because I really enjoyed it. Yes.

[John Ryan]

I. Going into this talk, before we talked, I was going to give it 8 out of 12 beers. But now after talking about. And thinking back, I'm gonna give it a nine. I'm gonna drop a beer.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay.

[John Ryan]

Because I thought it was good. It was good, I think, because I thought some of the stuff wasn't real plausible. That kind of, like, turn me off a little bit. But now I think about it like it's just part of the book. You can't. I mean, you know, just. It is what it is.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. I mean, I don't. We can't be reading books thinking, well, that can't happen because then. No, I mean, we can't read.

[John Ryan]

The Mighty. The Mighty Ducks won the world championship. Okay. A team from Minnesota. Minneapolis. District 5 Mighty Ducks. Peewee Peewee hockey team that were left for dead won the world championships and I believed it full heartedly when I was 11 years old. So I can damn well believe this too.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes, well, I, yeah, I enjoyed it. I really, like I said, I don't know why I'm so stuck on. I think it was because of our conversation with Seraphina Nova Glass after On a quiet street and that and the fact that there was one character that was in third person and, and it was really because you couldn't see into her mind or the whole thing would have been blown, the whole plot. And so I don't know why that's made me sort of obsessed with that now. And, and, and why I liked it in this when I kind of went back to a couple things I highlighted because I didn't really know where they were going. And then I went, oh my God. That was. She was talking about her plan.

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

So, but she, but we just didn't know it and so I liked those little moments. And then you know, the fact that she went into full panic cover for Paul mode after that. But I think it's just because he, he was a terrifying individual that evening on the Malibu Canyon Road Truth. But I did enjoy it and I love the twist of that, of that again, even though could she have offered her some pills instead of to run over her with a Cadillac? Sure.

[John Ryan]

It doesn't. It made for a great twist.

[Sarah Colonna]

It sure did. It made for a great twist and I love a great twist. So thank you, Leslie Wolf, for the very entertaining read. I blew through this book and had a great time with it. I hope the listeners enjoyed it. Guys, don't forget our July book is John Ryan's pick. Meet Me at the Lake by Carly Fortune, which I am about 40% in and very much enjoying. It's very different than this book.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, like the real 180 from this one.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, that's the whole point of this is that is I read what John reads and John reads what I read and you guys read along with us. So that's our July pick. Join us on patreon. It's only $5 a month. You get bonus content. And if you so wanted to watch the video of us sitting here chatting, you can too. And short story for Patreon next month will be announced on the next bonus Patreon, which is on the 25th of the month. It's probably going to be a free to McFadden short story, just FYI. Yeah, I think I, after, I think after. I think that's what I'm ready for. Ready for some. I think she has a new one out, but we'll see. I'll let you guys know. Thank you, listeners, and follow us at. The Book Lisp on Instagram.

[John Ryan]

Bye.

[Sarah Colonna]

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