Don’t Look Back

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Book Lisp with Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna

Episode Title: Don’t Look Back
Release Date: July 20, 2026
Hosts: Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Book Lisp centers on Jon and Sarah's signature mix of hilarious banter and thoughtful reflection as they deep-dive into their monthly book club rotation, this week focusing on themes pulled from Judy Blume's Summer Sisters. While Sarah confesses to not having started the book yet, both hosts instead springboard off its motifs into lively discussions about adolescence, adulthood, friendship, and advice they wish they'd given their teenage selves. Listeners are treated to relatable “real life” stories (bar mishaps, sports adventures, and awkward reunions) and lots of trademark humor as they circle around key book club questions. The episode balances laughs with genuine insights on growing up and growing apart, making and keeping friends, and savoring life’s moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Catching Up: Absence, Bar Tales, and Burping Strangers

[00:20–03:32]

• Sarah recounts her solo night out while Jon was away, including a hilarious but disgusting incident at the bar involving a stranger’s unabashed burping.
  • “If that's what the wings are doing to you, don't eat the wings.” – Sarah [02:09]
• Jon shares his own night out at an (almost) rowdy Angels game with his cousins, after a brush with bar fights and a memorable "Thor's family" quip from a stranger.
  • “You look like Thor’s family.” – Random bar patron, recounted by Jon [06:08]
  • Both hosts bond over missing each other and the comfort of familiar company.

Book Club Updates – Reading Progress & Frustrations

[07:16–10:55]

• Current Read: Summer Sisters by Judy Blume; Sarah admits she hasn’t started yet, sidelined by frustration with another book (The Divorce by Frieda McFadden).
  • Both gripe about the main character’s decisions in The Divorce:
    • “She wants her husband back so badly when he’s just like a piece of shit.” – Jon [10:31]
    • “It’s just so frustrating to read…” – Sarah [09:55]
• They promise to be ready for next week’s full discussion and tease their August pick, Gray After Dark by Noel Eiley.

Reflecting on Growing Up: Advice to Their Teenage Selves

[11:34–16:41]

• Book-inspired discussion: “What advice would you give your 16-year-old self?”
• Sarah: Reassures her teen self “You’re gonna get over Bucky”, referencing her high school heartbreak.
  • “At that age... everything’s so end of the world.” – Sarah [12:23]
• Jon: Talks about the pressures of being an aspiring athlete, valuing the journey over the destination:
  • “You’re only at the top of the mountain for a second. You’re climbing the mountain for years.” – Jon [14:29]
• Both touch on trivial regrets – “throw on some sunscreen” – and reflect on the importance of relishing the process and stretching in old age.
  • “Money comes and goes. Time only goes.” – Jon [19:22]

When Do You Really Become an Adult?

[21:09–27:15]

• They challenge the concept of “adulthood” beginning at 18.
  • Jon: Noted brain maturity isn’t reached until 25; shares stories of feeling adult (leaving home, playing pro football) vs. not really feeling grown because of the childlike joy of playing sports for a living.
    • “Part of my growth as an adult, I feel, has been stunted maybe because I’m still hanging out with 22-year-olds who are probably burping at Tipsy Cow in the afternoon.” – Jon [26:47]
• Sarah adds that independence came in her early 20s after moving to California and living on her own.

Outgrowing Friends: Drift or Drama

[28:55–36:46]

• Both reflect on losing touch with childhood or work friends as life circumstances change, job shifts, or after significant personal events.
  • “I don’t know if it’s a bad trait... Those people don’t reach out to me either.” – Sarah [29:19]
  • Shares about ending a close adult friendship due to addiction issues, expressing hope and pride in her friend’s recovery.
• Jon discusses the fleeting friendships in pro sports, and the deeper connections he maintained with staff or childhood friends rather than teammates.
  • “My best friends in the football world were the equipment guys, the cooks in the kitchen, some of the staff—the people that were there all 10 years.” – Jon [35:45]

Making Friends as Adults—It’s (Really) Hard

[38:00–42:43]

• The older you get, the tougher real friendship becomes—especially for men and for Jon as a pro athlete, making female friends was nearly impossible outside work settings.
  • “When you’re a professional athlete...it’s impossible to go into a town and make female friends.” – Jon [39:15]
• Both hosts value the rare adult friendships they’ve formed later in life (e.g., Sarah’s friendship with Kat; Jon with Stephen Bivins), crediting work and shared interests.

Memorable Moments & Listener Favorites

[06:08] Thor’s Family Joke

• Jon’s recounting of a stranger identifying him and his cousins as “Thor’s family” became an instant classic for both hosts.

[14:29] Climbing the Mountain vs. Being on Top

• Jon’s thoughtful metaphor for accomplishment and appreciating the journey over fleeting moments of victory, drawing on his NFL experience.

[19:22] “Money comes and goes. Time only goes.”

• Jon offers this as advice for balancing work, life, and worry—sparking a reflective conversation on perspective and what really matters.

[26:47] Perpetual Kidult

• Jon humorously laments being “stunted” by decades spent in a locker room full of young men, with Sarah teasing him about outgrowing his peers.

[39:58] “For all of my female friends that I met, they’re all lesbians.”

• Jon’s quick, self-deprecating humor keeps the segment light as they dissect the challenges of adult friendships.

[44:33–47:59] Tales of Terry

• The episode closes with a rip-roaring story about Jon’s friend Terry experiencing the Delta Sky Club for the first time. His enthusiastic, childlike attitude is simultaneously heartwarming and hilarious.
  • “He’s just a kid in a candy store everywhere he goes.” – Sarah [45:27]
  • “Do you want to have another drink? Can I hit the call button?” – Jon recalling Terry [47:23]

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Important Timestamps

• 00:20–03:32: Bar burping story; Jon’s Angels game recap
• 07:16–10:55: Book club update; frustrations with The Divorce
• 11:34–16:41: Advice to 16-year-old selves
• 21:09–27:15: The stages of adulthood; definitions and personal milestones
• 28:55–36:46: Outgrowing old friends; mending adult friendships; work friends
• 38:00–42:30: Making friends as adults; cross-gender and later-in-life friendships
• 44:33–47:59: Adventures with Terry—the Sky Club “make a wish” story

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Tone & Style

• The episode maintains a candid, conversational, and frequently irreverent tone—anchored in comedy but dotted with genuine wisdom and emotional intelligence.
• Sarah’s storytelling is self-deprecating and direct; Jon punctuates with earnestness, playful Canadian-isms, and occasional heartfelt reflection.

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Notable Quotes

• “If that's what the wings are doing to you, don't eat the wings.” – Sarah [02:09]
• “You look like Thor’s family.” – Random (via Jon) [06:08]
• “You’re only at the top of the mountain for a second. You’re climbing the mountain for years.” – Jon [14:29]
• “Money comes and goes. Time only goes.” – Jon [19:22]
• “When you’re a professional athlete...it’s impossible to go into a town and make female friends.” – Jon [39:15]
• “He’s just a kid in a candy store everywhere he goes.” – Sarah [45:27]

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Final Thoughts

A quintessential Book Lisp episode—equal parts riotous storytelling and accessible life wisdom. While book talk is lighter this week, listeners will leave with a smile, thoughtful about their own journeys, friendships, and the value of just enjoying the ride. Next week promises a full review of Summer Sisters and (inevitably) more laughter.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, I'm Sarah Colonna.

[B]

And I'm John Ryan.

[A]

And you're listening to the Book List. The Book List.

[B]

The Book Lisp.

[A]

Oh, that's right. You're listening to the Book Lisp. Hello and welcome to the Book Lisp with John Ryan and Sarah Colonna. Hi, John.

[B]

Hello. Good to see you.

[A]

How are you? It's good to see you. You. You were out of town until last night, so I really haven't seen you, other than you came in and we went to bed and.

[B]

Yeah, well, I've been home for 12 hours in the last 14 days, though. I'm glad to be home.

[A]

I know. I know you're glad to be home, and the cats are glad you're home, and I'm glad you're home. I went last night, so we're recording on Saturday for the Monday podcast. And Friday night, I decided I didn't make any plans because even I miss John when he's gone. But then I'm kind of like, oh, I. I have, like, a night fully alone, right? I mean, I had a few this week, but this was like a Friday, so I could go do something, whatever. Got a lot done this week, I'll be honest. Got my script. Final. Final draft of my script. I'm sure that. I know I haven't really talked about it with you guys, but it's out there in the world now with my agents. They love it. I'm excited about it. It's a movie, but I can't talk about it what it is. Anyway, um. And. And got my taxes done. Had a productive week on my record. You know, all the things. And. And so I was like, I'm gonna go to Tipsy Cow in the late afternoon, and then I'm gonna be home in the evening, because that way I'll watch. I had to watch some Married at First Sight to watch, to catch up for. Are you my podcast? If you guys don't listen. Are you my podcast? We're on Married at First Sight season right now. If you're watching that, listen to us. So I had a whole thing. So I go to Tipsy Cow and just kind of full at the bar. There was one stool. I sat next to a lady, and the guy. There's a guy on the other side of her. Within five minutes, he let out six. Disgustingly.

[B]

I mean, what's wrong with. You're a grown adult. You're a grown adult.

[A]

It was. I'm like, if that. If that's what the wings are doing to you, don't eat the wings. Like, I was so grossed out.

[B]

That just happens to you, then just don't go out in public either.

[A]

But, like.

[B]

And.

[A]

But there was no attempt. Even if it does happen to you, I'm saying if you have some kind of. You close your mouth, you put your hands over. You do something. I mean, he was just balls out. And the girl's not. I don't know if it's his friend, his date. I don't know what it is, but she's not saying anything. If you did that, which you never would. Never. I know this already, of course. Did I go. Excuse you, sir. Excuse you, sir.

[B]

Even with. If you're just out with the guys, you don't. You don't. Buddy, can you bring this down? Like, come on, we're fucking growing men here.

[A]

I finally. I moved. I finally moved when a seat opened up at the end of the bar and I said, oh, I really like sitting on the end. Like, I muttered it to myself just. Just so as not to offend the disgusting person on the other side of me. As if I need to, you know, give any excuse. And I moved down to the end, and I was telling Jade, the bartender. Sl manager there that we obviously know. I was like, that guy won't stop ripping burps, as the kids say. And it was disgust. It was disgusting. So anyway, it made me miss you more.

[B]

What? Because what was. Was he.

[A]

I love you.

[B]

I love you.

[A]

I'd never seen him before, and I hope I never see him again.

[B]

What was his age group?

[A]

I'd say he was late 30s, early 40s.

[B]

Late 30s?

[A]

Yeah. He wasn't too.

[B]

I mean, if you're. If you're over the age of 12, you should know better.

[A]

It was disgusting. Yes.

[B]

God. Was he drunk or just an.

[A]

No, he's drunk. Gross. He was. He was just. I don't think he was drunk. He was like. He would do it. And then, like, one time I heard him say, excuse me, too, or one time. And I just. I don't understand what's wrong with people. I mean, I just don't understand. Anyway, I was grossed out, so that was my night.

[B]

Well, I was worried that my cousins might get a little out of hand at the baseball game last night. So as a. As a good human being, I just got us a private suite.

[A]

John went to the Angels game, which, you guys know, that's my favorite team. And it's weird I didn't go, but I just want it clear he did invite me, but he was going with his cousin and his other Cousin.

[B]

My one cousin was in town from Regina, my hometown, and his brother lives basically on the parking lot of the big A Angel Stadium. And so all three of us joined up and. Is it. Is it. Babe, Is it racist if I make, like, do, like, a Latino accent?

[A]

No. I mean, no. You're just. Are you sure?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we're at this bar, this Mexican bar, and I go in, and there's almost. There's almost a fight. Within 30 seconds of there, this guy's just screaming another guy that he's gonna punch his face in. Blah, blah, blah. Like, where the. Like, Tate and reed were, like, 15 minutes late. They take the guy, they pull him outside. Then the guy beside him on his other side tries to fight him at the bar.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

So I'm like, I've been here for two minutes, and I've almost seen two fights. It's like. It's like, what. What bar did you send me to here? So anyways, apparently this guy was. He was on his off day. The guy tried to fight him. He was on his off day. He was actually a bouncer there. So they didn't kick him out. They kept him there. Anyways, Tate and Reed and I, we go in there, we have a few drinks, we go. Go stand in the parking lot and wait for our uber. So I'm 6ft tall, 245 pounds, and when the three of us hang out, I'm the smallest guy in the group. Like. Like, Tate, 6 foot 3, probably 250. Reed, 6 foot 5, probably 250. So it was like three big super

[A]

white dudes all with red hair.

[B]

Well, reads a little more blonde, but. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

We're sitting there, and that guy that tried to fight the other guy, he comes up to the bar. I'm like, oh, God, I hope this isn't, like, any problems here. And he goes. He starts talking us, and then he's like, hey, man, are you guys related? Yeah, we're. We're brothers and we're cousins, bro. You look like Thor's family. We were. We were laughing so hard. We talked about it the rest of the weekend because it was like, we look like Thor's family. It was like our favorite thing of all time. It was like the quote of the trip. We look like Thor's family.

[A]

I mean, pretty accurate and really funny.

[B]

But we went to the baseball game, and it was a lot of fun.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I had. I had the sweet stocked with wings. And once again, they brought ice cold wings, babe. Just ice cold wings.

[A]

Oh, just ice cold wings.

[B]

Nothing like that. I can play the brush new ones. But I had, I had 38, 38 beers put in the suite and we drank them all.

[A]

Oh, that's a lot each and that's

[B]

after we, we'd been, we'd been drinking since noon. But they're Coors lights. Come on. That's not like real beer.

[A]

That's nothing for Thor's family.

[B]

I mean Thor's a 750 pound of ginger just putting back frickin cls like they're nothing pound and silver bullets. Thor's family is.

[A]

Okay, I. That's really funny. What else were we gonna. I was gonna ask you something about it and I forgot anyway. Oh, Thor's family really threw me off. But it's very funny by the way. Speaking of funny, if you want to come see me live, I have some upcoming shows. August 3rd through the 9th, I have my week long stint in Vegas at Brad Garrett's Comedy Club. One show a night, 8pm it's so fun. I know who's hosting and I know the feature. Gary Cannon and Mark Ellis and they're both so funny. So it's a solid, solid show with me headlining for an hour each night. August 27th, I'll be in Nashville at the City Winery. Tickets are going for that, so go get them. September 24th through the 26th, I'll be at Batavia, Illinois at the Comedy Vault. October 29th at Omaha, Nebraska at The Funny Bone. November 12th, Albany, New York at The Funny Bone. December 17th, Columbus, Ohio at the Funny Bone. More to come. Sarah colona.com for tickets, we are reading Summer Sisters by Judy Bloom. Confession. Haven't started it yet. And this is week three. However, I'll explain why in a second. For August, we're reading Gray After Dark. That's my pick by Noel Eiley. This month's short story was the Replacement by Liv Constantine, who wrote the last Mrs. Parish. This is a great short story. We had a really fun time reading that and that's already up on Patreon. It's all our short stories are very quick. We always put them out on the 15th on Patreon as video podcast and then on the 5th and the 25th we do other fun stuff on Patreon. So join us there for $5 a month if you'd like to have a little fun and support us at the same time. But we, we love our short stories. So I'll announce August probably next week or so. And so I haven't started Summer Sisters yet. So John has. We have topics, as you guys know, kind of pulled from the book, but nothing that spoils it. And it's already. Next week is already week four, which is the full discussion, which is crazy. I'll read it this week. We all know I'm a fast reader. It's fine. But I'm stuck On this Freedom McFadden, the divorce book.

[B]

I'm reading it, too, now. I'm 65% of the way in. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, my God. You're further than I am. And I've been reading it since Cabo.

[B]

I'm a quick reader. I just started it on Friday, on Thursday.

[A]

Wow. I'm usually a quick reader, but I just. It's. It's getting. I told. I told you guys this, I think, last week. It's. It's kind. Or maybe I said it on the Patreon, the short story. It's just. It's kind of getting on my nerves. The main character's getting on my nerves. I know there's got to be a twist of some sort of. That. She's got to be a huge twist

[B]

coming up because she's so stupid.

[A]

I know. I know. And it's just so frustrating to read, and I haven't. And I have another book going, too, but I. I'm. I'm. I'm not. Not reading Summer Sisters because of the divorce, but I do want to finish the divorce, but I think I might have to wait and finish it now so that I can. I got to start Summer Sisters this week. I've just got. I've got to be free. But it's nice that I haven't read it yet because I'll be real fresh for the full review, which is true.

[B]

I read it so long ago to listen to it again. What's frustrating, this book. It's not. This has nothing to do with this podcast. Just another book we're reading is. First of all, she's so dumb. She is so dumb.

[A]

She is so dumb.

[B]

She. She wants. She wants her husband back so badly when he's just like a piece of shit.

[A]

Yeah. It's like something's gotta come. Something's gotta.

[B]

Something's gotta be. There's gotta be a big twist coming around the corner here.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, maybe I'm around where you are. I'm, like, just past the birthday party. The son's birthday party.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. You're not. You're not too far from me, then.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

It's.

[A]

I mean, it never takes me this long to read anything, but I just have been so frustrated with it. So I put it down and then I'll pick it back up and I'll put it. I've just, But I do want to finish it because now I need to know whatever the twist is. And I think someone in the book list, Spinners, that's our Facebook group, mentioned, oh, stick it out. There is a big twist. So. Okay, yeah, yeah, so I'll finish it. I, I, maybe I'll finish it tonight or something and then, and, and then start Summer Sisters Monday morning. But anyway, excited to read Summer Sisters? I know everyone's excited for this one. It's a fun that you picked a Judy Bloom book. And what kind of topics do you have for us to discuss?

[B]

Well, I got some, I got some fun ones today because I'm a fun guy. You know what I mean?

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. A lot of these, A lot of these are about like teenage. Teenage. There's that mushroom that tried to get into the party and they said, you can't come in. He goes, why not? I'm a fun guy.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You didn't laugh, babe. Oh, a fun guy. Yeah. Mushrooms are fun guys. Okay, what this is a question that. What advice would you give yourself at 16? If you could talk to your 16 year old self right now, what advice would you give yourself?

[A]

Oh, I would, I would probably say, you're gonna get over Bucky. It's gonna be okay.

[B]

Thank God.

[A]

Truly. I think my, I think at that age, and I don't know if it's any different now. It's probably not because it's. We're all in our, there's, that's when hormones are just raging through both boys and girls and everyone's. Everything's so end of the world. And I would advise myself, like, you're no, this isn't the love of your life. Like, I remember thinking that's my high school boyfriend Bucky, because I'm classy. I like, I remember thinking, I know that they say like, this isn't. But I was like, there's no, there's no way I could be more in love than this. Like, that's what I thought at 16.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know what I mean? And that's not how that worked.

[B]

No. No.

[A]

So I would be, I would sit down with myself and I'd say, girl, it's. You're gonna be cool. Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, obviously I figured that out by the time I was like 18 or so whatever. It was 17 something when I went to college and, and that was all in the past for me, but it just the, the heartbreak that you feel at that age. To me, I don't know if you had something like that.

[B]

Oh, probably I don't. I mean, I feel like the biggest concern in my life when I was 16 was sports. Everything was sports. And my, and I wanted to be a professional athlete. So my, my constant stress was like, how am I going to be able to be a professional athlete? Is it going to happen? Will it happen? Will I be able to play college football? Will I, you know, that was like the constant stress in my mind, but how was I going to do it? Like, I try to figure out a way to do it.

[A]

That's, that's a lot of pressure on a 16 year old. But I guess that's, you have to have that pressure. You're not going to make it to the pros, right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But then I look back, I'm like, if I would like go back to my six year old self, just like everything's going to be okay, like, don't worry about it, then I don't know if I would have made it. Like I almost like, like that was like the journey is like the fun of it. You know what I'm saying? Like when you actually make, make the NFL, making the NFL isn't the fun of it. It's like the journey, like winning the super bowl is not the fun of it. It's like getting to the, like all the journey up to the, you know, you're only at the top of the mountain for a second. You're climbing the mountain for years.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So to take away any of that climb to the top of the mountain, I would almost be like doing myself a disservice. So I was thinking like, maybe I just wouldn't tell myself anything, just let myself figure it out because I wouldn't want to take away any of that journey by giving away what happened at the end.

[A]

I mean, I know you said that like winning the super bowl is not the thing, it's the journey. But winning was pretty cool. We have to.

[B]

No, absolutely.

[A]

But you know, like, I know when

[B]

you win the super bowl, you're at the top of the mountain for like a few minutes, like a little bit of time. You climb that mountain for tens of dozens of years. So yeah, like just, well, you're just like outcome based. You just like, you're all, you worried about the outcome, then you like miss that whole journey part.

[A]

But I, well, I like that. I like the, I like the idea of saying I wouldn't give Myself. Any advice? Because I'm happy with how everything turned out. And I mean, I guess I could say I. I mean, I could say the same. Met. I'm sure some people that I don't know who went through, you know, very difficult things or whatever, jail or God knows what, they might give themselves some advice. But then again, maybe they'd say that was part of their journey, too. Maybe we should. I think I would say if I

[B]

hadn't made it, I probably would have went back and be like, you should work harder. You know what I mean? Like, that's probably like. It would be like that wanted to be a fresh out there, want to do this or that. And they look back at, like, when they're 16, like, you should have worked harder. But. Yeah, no, I don't know.

[A]

I'd probably tell myself to throw on some sunscreen too. I. I might do that. I might. I might say, baby oil's not doing it for you.

[B]

It was like in the mid-90s, that song came out, but I think it was like Baz Lierman and it was called Where Sunscreen? No, it wasn't really a song. It was like. It was like a speech that he gave. And it was like. I remember it was like number one on, like, the Billboard 100 charts for a while, but it was right around, like, graduation. Then a lot of people, like, stole it as their graduation speech.

[A]

Oh, that's funny. I don't know.

[B]

The whole. The whole song was just like him talking about, like, giving himself advice, giving people advice, like, don't look at old bank statements. Don't mess your hair too much because you're going to be bald. It's like all this stuff. And then he ends with it. But most of all, wear sunscreen.

[A]

Now, it sounds familiar since you're saying

[B]

that you'll recognize it, but it was like a big. And then I still. I think to this day, people still steal lines out of it for their graduation. Valedictorian speech type thing.

[A]

Well, when you put in his name, the first thing that comes up is it starts to autofill sunscreen. Or maybe it's because my computer was listening. 1999 spoken word hit. 99. Buzz Luhrmann. Yeah, famously Buzz. Baz, Baz B, A Z. If I could offer you only one tip for the future, sunscreen would be it continues to offer various life advice such as being kind to your siblings, stretching and flossing. Okay, I'm going to have to. I'm going to have to listen to that.

[B]

You know, as I Get older. You know, what's really important is stretching. Like, because when I look at. When I look at old people and who's, like, in the best shape are the people that stretch.

[A]

But you never stretch.

[B]

I know. Now I haven't stretched in three years. Like, not once. Not once.

[A]

I'm. I'm pretty good about it. After my workouts, I'll do like a 5 or a 10 minute when I look at someone.

[B]

Here's an example of someone we both know who's in their early 80s and is in great shape because they do yoga like, three times a week. And that's share.

[A]

Sherry J. Oh, Shirley J. Shirley. Yeah, that's true.

[B]

She moves around really well. They say one of the most attractive.

[A]

That's one of our. My dad's and my stepmom's best friends. Go ahead.

[B]

I read this. When you're in your 70s and 80s, one of the most attractive things about people is people that are flexible. Like, people that don't, like, take like, two minutes to have to stand up people. Like, it's like, it exudes youth. So it's an attractive thing for people in their 70s and 80s.

[A]

That makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. When everything doesn't hurt to get up every once in a while, it hurts when I get off the couch, but that's just like if I hurt my back or something. But I'm pretty good at stretching and I'm very flexible, aren't I, John?

[B]

Yeah, like a goddamn pretzel.

[A]

Oh, right. Not trying to lose listeners this week. Okay. Yeah. So good, good, good advice. Sunscreen, stretch, floss and. And try to have any regrets.

[B]

Here's my advice that I'm trying to give myself is don't worry about money as much, because I. A good quote the other day. Money comes and goes. Time only goes

[A]

right?

[B]

So if you're worried more about just having fun in the moment, it's more valuable than worrying about money. Money comes and goes.

[A]

Right, that makes sense.

[B]

It's more fun when it comes and goes, but.

[A]

Well, but you've always been that way. Like, always.

[B]

I've been that way since I was five years old. Constantly worried about money when I had it, when I didn't have it, when I had it, it was always worried about it.

[A]

Yeah, I'm that way. I think, too. I. I know that I'm that way. I always have been that way. But I think I'm a little less that way now because you just seem to worry about it all the time. So really only one of us can do that. In this household.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. To be clear, we're not having, like, money problems.

[B]

No, not at all. It'll just forever be a worry.

[A]

Yeah, it's just a thing.

[B]

For what reason? I don't know.

[A]

I know. I.

[B]

But it's, like, naturally ingrained in you.

[A]

That's how my mom is.

[B]

Yeah, well, your mom's, like. Like me on steroids when it comes to that.

[A]

Yeah. She's, like, always concerned because they're retired, and she's always. But they really set themselves up well for retirement. Like, they can't.

[B]

You know, they're very, very well set up for retirement. They live a. Like, they have the lifestyle they want to live, but it's very modest. But that makes them happy. But Eric was telling me, because they're very open about it. She. He's like, cheryl, we have to take out 4% a year. Like, they force us to take out 4% of our retirement every year. Like, we have to. Your mom's like, we don't need to take all that money out. It's like, no, we literally have to. It's like the law.

[A]

Yeah, I know. It's. It's. She's funny that way, but that's where I got it. Clearly. But I don't. Yeah, I guess I just let you take on most of that now anyway. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

Sticking with the teenage topic, and this is a belief that I had, that I was completely wrong, but when do you think you become an adult? Because I thought growing up, when you turn 18, you're an adult. And so I turned 18, like, the third month of 12th grade, and the fucking. The very next day, I skipped class and they called my mom. I was like, why are you calling my mom? I'm an adult. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, you guys. They still call your mom. I was like, I'm a grown man. I'm an adult. They're like, no, you aren't. You live in your fucking childhood bedroom, you asshole.

[A]

But yeah, 18.

[B]

I know, 18, you can go. You can go to war. You can drink in Canada. You can buy cigarettes. We used to always joke because everyone on their 18th birthday, they'd go and buy porn. I didn't. But that was. People used to buy porn because I was. The things. Like, what. What can you do when you're 18? So we grew up. You could. You couldn't drink until you're 19. So, 18. The only thing you do when you're 18 is, like, go buy porn. Like, the funny thing is, people go and buy porn. On their 18th birthday. Just like, just to do it.

[A]

Like people going out to drink on their 21st in the U.S. yeah, well,

[B]

yeah, for us, we went out to drink on our 19th because that's when you can legally drink. Even though in Canada everyone starts drinking, they're fucking 14. Probably like Arkansas too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I found out that you're definitely not. And then I thought, okay, maybe when I turn like 21, 22, because I left university at 22. And then I. Here's what I think. Here's my thing. And there's been psychology to support this. Now your brain isn't fully formed until you're 25. Oh, there have been some places in Europe where they're going back and letting some people out of prison that committed crimes before they were 25 because their brain wasn't fully evolved yet. Oh, it's, it's a, it's a very controversial thing. Maybe not for like murder and stuff, but for like, you know, things. Maybe they were immature about that now. They wouldn't be right.

[A]

Something.

[B]

What do you think?

[A]

What about when you are. Become an adult? Yeah, I, I mean, I know legally 18 for like you said, if you can go to Warrior, I feel like you're an adult. I think I, the most adult I felt was probably 21 because I moved to, to California and left my everything I knew behind. I mean, my dad was there for a landing pad for a few months for sure. But I, I think that's when I felt the most adult because even when I went to college, I mean, I was paying my own bills, my parents paid for my car insurance as long as I kept my grades up and, and, but I, you know, I, I worked, I paid my rent, all that stuff. Not that that's impressive. I'm just saying, like, I was doing that, but from like 8. From 18 on to 21. But then I think the most adult I felt would be when I, when I moved because it was like, you know, there was no there. My parents weren't there. I mean, my dad was there in between, but. So maybe I would even say I didn't feel super adult when I ended up going driving right to my dad's house and basically moving in with him and my stepmom who just got married. I probably didn't feel super adult at that moment. And my stepmom would probably argue my, my dad would too, if he was alive to do it. But they would probably argue that I wasn't acting super adult when I first moved there because I was kind of Depressed from leaving my family in Arkansas and sort of just being like, what the am I doing here? But I would say from. Yeah. Driving across country to California and then moving up to Hollywood on my own at. At that same age after. After staying with my dad for a few months and saving money, that's. I think that would be when I've felt the most adult. So I think it really kind of varies because some people. Yeah, I mean, you know, you think about some people of. Of younger ages that lose their parents and have to help raise their siblings and, you know, some people become adults too fast because of tragic events or, you know, are going through something that forces you to become way more of an adult at a younger age than you probably wanted to be, or having a. Having a baby at a younger age and then, you know, instantly having to sort of become, you know, an adult because you're caring for another human being.

[B]

Yeah, well, I felt most adult, probably that's when I was 22, because I went to university in my hometown. So even though I felt like at times felt independent, I could still lean on my parents at any time. You know what I mean? And I probably did a lot. But then when I was 22, I was playing professional football in Winnipeg, Manitoba. I felt like such an adult because I was making a paycheck. I was able to pay everything. I lived in an apartment, did all that. But then at the same time, I felt not like an adult because I was still doing the exact same thing I did when I was 7 years old. Play football. So it's always kind of a weird thing, like playing ball. It's like very few people can be like, what were you doing when you were seven? You're like, well, I was playing on the playground or whatever. It's like, what if right now you, a professional playground player, like, you had to swing by the monkey bars for the next 20 years of your life till you're 41, you have to swing by the monkey bars and people will watch you and pay you it. So it seems like even though I play, I felt grown up and I was making good money playing football for all those years. It's still kind of like a mind fuck sometimes, because you're like, but wait, I'm still doing what I was doing as a kid in high school. Like, nothing's changed there.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So it's always kind of like a mind fuck a little bit.

[A]

Yeah, that's because even though, like, when you.

[B]

When you play professional football, until I was 41, part of me is like, Part of my growth as an adult, I feel, has been stunted, maybe because I'm still hanging out with 22 year olds who are probably burping at Tipsy Cow in the afternoon, you know, in a football locker room all this time playing a child's game. But. But I think part of that, just because a lot of guys don't grow up, it kind of, when I look at them, it made me want to grow up even more, be more mature than everyone else on the team because they were, like, living in the past. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. I think from knowing you and even knowing some of the people you played with and knowing the way that they viewed you and it. With obviously a ton of respect, but I think a lot of them would argue that you were probably more mature than some people on the team.

[B]

I would like to think so.

[A]

Even. Not even. But even before you were older than all of them, even before you felt like, oh, I'm. I'm now the oldest person all the time. Even. Even when it was like, when you were playing with guys and you guys were all in your 20s. I think they would probably say that about you then, too.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I think most of them would probably, I guess. I think it's interesting you brought up, like, losing your parents because, like, losing your parents at a younger age would probably make a lot of people have to grow up quick. Losing both parents probably make people grow up quicker. But it's funny because even, like, we have a really good friend, Stephen Bibbins, who's 50 years old, and he lost both his parents at the time. He was 45. And kind of in my head, I was like, man, like, he's like, really got to, like, be an adult now, like, almost subconsciously. Like, like, he, like, he has, like, no one to lean on anymore. He has to, like, really, like, grow up. Not. Not grow up because he's one of the most mature guys I know. But there was still, like, that thought in my head where it's like, he's got to still, like, really, you know, he's responsible for everything.

[A]

Yeah. You don't have that, like, not the parents or everyone's safety net. But, you know, I don't know.

[B]

That still kind of goes through my mind.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. What else do you got? That's, like, just a bummer. I don't want to bum everybody out.

[B]

That's it. Have a good week, everybody. Go hug. Your parents.

[A]

Brought that one up.

[B]

Here's another one that comes up in this book. They kind of, you know, I won't give anything away, but have you ever outgrown a friend or multiple friends, Especially from, like, your childhood where you have friends who are like, we're going to be friends forever, and then you just kind of like, outgrow each other. You go to different schools, you go to different universities, you lose touch and you just. It's never the same. Or you just consciously be like, hey, like, I can't be around this person anymore.

[A]

Yeah, I know we talked a little bit about just, um. It. It wasn't about really friendships. It was. I forget what it was like, just changing. I think it, like when I went into college and then I wasn't really friends with, like, my high school friends anymore, but it wasn't specifically, like, this question because I can. I have my whole life sort of done that. And I don't know if it's like. I don't know if it's a bad trait. I'm not quite sure. But when I think about it, I think about. Well, those people, like, reach out to me either, you know, so.

[B]

Right. A phone works both ways.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, I have, as you know, one of my best friends from college and I are still very good friends. She was at our wedding. She and I are writing a script together. She and then the other two friends from college. We've all kind of reignited the four of us as a group and are always in. Are in constant contact. My one friend from high school that you've met, Brian, is like the one person I stayed in contact with. I don't think that's that weird. When you grow up in a small town and then you move.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're just out of that loop. I mean, I don't. You know, there's not.

[B]

Is it. Is it funny when you. When you go back to Arkansas, though, and the people that didn't leave are still in that group?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I remember not go. Like, I didn't go to that. There was a reunion and I was. I was like, I could go, but it was just in someone's garage. And I was like, I remember that. Got it. Like, I don't. I don't. I'm gonna feel weird because I haven't seen these people in so long. I don't know if I'm gonna have fun. It's sitting around in a garage with people that, you know and, like, having beers and stuff would be super fun. But having not seen them in 20 something years seems. It seemed more intimidating to me. But then. But I probably would have Had a good time. I mean they're all very nice people but, but like throughout because part of it's my, my, my work right. Like yeah this. When I worked at Mirabel I there was a lot of people I hung out with. Then I had different roommate. I've really don't really talk to her here and there. I'll hear from her but she lives in Vegas and she's insane in a good way but, but like Franzola and yeah. Carl who I met, you know at that job are my friends. I mean Franjela is one of my best friends and Carl and I are super close too. So those are people I met at my first job in LA and then in when I worked at Formosa. It was like this tight knit group. We all hung out all the time. This girl Linda, this friend mine, Rebecca. And then, but when I stopped working there I just, we all just kind of like eh, like we just don't really talk anymore so. And then like there was a group of guys that I hung out with I was really tight with there but they were also friends with my ex boyfriend. So that kind of just that just they were sort of like they're his friend when we broke up or whatever. Even though I was close with a lot of them. So all that stuff I think is just natural. But sometimes I do go, gosh, I used to hang out with those people all the time and then we just like stopped but at the same time I moved on and they moved on to just like different things and different you know, we're not waiting tables anymore but, but from all areas of my life I've carried a few friends that aren't are there forever right Like Brandon and Liz obviously from college. And then, and then I do have my one you know, a friend that I did have to like I wrote about it in, in my book has anyone seen my pants? In case you guys haven't read it, it's right there billboard on Amazon. I, I had to end an adult friendship in my 40s which is something I never expected to do. But and, and to be fair that person at the time was, was having I, I, I believe addiction issues and it was just a very hard became a very difficult person to be around. Has since then become sober and is kicking ass and doing great and even reached out to me and just said you know, sorry that we had to, sorry things ended that way and, and my part in it and you know basically like I think I was one of her 12 step phone calls. So in part of Me is like, oh, I wonder if we could.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, hang out and get back to, like, become friends again. It's just so many years have passed, it almost just feels weird to try to force it or. Or, you know, I. Even as I do, I kind of panicked at the end of that phone call and was like, we should get lunch sometime or something. But then, yeah, neither of us ever attempted it. I don't think that's what she was reaching out for. And so I also. She's still close with other friends that we were all in the same group, and. And so I'm able to know she's doing really well, which makes me really happy. And. And I miss her. You know, I loved her. She was, like, really a really close friend. But then at some point, you go, well, how? We haven't talked or seen each other in 12, 13 years. So how does that work?

[B]

Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was good, baby. I think there's, like. When you look back at your life, like, a lot of friends come and go, and then, like, some of them just along the way, you know they're gonna stay. You know, you have, like, your elementary school friends, then you go out to different high schools. Then. I still have, like, a lot of the same friends that I made on the first day of high school. Like, obviously, I met Logan in 10th grade, not 9th grade. He's a year younger than me. But, like Logan, my buddy Terry, I met him the first day of high school. We're still, like, best friends. What? That was 19, 30 years later, they were still. Even though we live a thousand miles apart, we're still in contact every week, and Logan and I are pretty much in contact almost daily. And then I had, like, my cousins who I just hung out with. You know, I've known them since the day they were born. You know, we're like. We grew up five blocks apart. Now me and Tate live in Southern California. You know, it's like. But then there's some people, like, along the way, like, especially in the world of football, because the average career is only three years, the average player probably plays for two teams. Guys come in and out of that locker room like you wouldn't believe. Because people always ask, like, are you still in touch with a lot of the guys? Like, I'm actually in touch with quite a few of them, but they're not, like, lifetime friends. Like, some of the friends I made, like, in high school or in university even, but they come and go so quickly. So I really made, like, my best friends in the football world were the equipment guys, the cooks in the kitchen, some of the staff, the people that were there all 10 years. Rod Marr, the photographer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it's just like we just went to a wedding of Darren, who. I've known Darren, he was our equipment manager, and I've known him for 18 years. And, you know, it was. I was one of the only guys from the Seahawks that he invited because we, like, we're still keeping touch. We're still tight. And then there's got, like, my. One of my best friends from high school, and then we lived together in university up until when I got drafted, Pete. You've met Pete and his wife.

[A]

Yep. Katie. Yep. And Pete.

[B]

We're. We're really shitty at keeping in touch. Me and Pete are. Sometimes we'll go two years without talking to each other at all. But whenever we're together, we just go straight back to the last time we were together. It feels like no time passed for forever. Whatever reason we have that connection or that kind of friendship where we go right back to where we were. It's like. It's not like, oh, God, what have you done for the last two years? It's like, I don't know. I kind of already know what you've been doing. Just, you know, word of mouth or Instagram now or whatever, and you just kind of pick up where you left off. Whereas there's other people where. If I hadn't seen them for two years, and it's kind of like, yeah, you know, it's time to cut ties, really. Like, I don't. I don't need to make a bunch of effort when I know you're not either.

[A]

Yeah. But it is interesting just to kind

[B]

of like, you don't have to go through a whole breakup, not ghost you, but just kind of fall apart.

[A]

Yeah. It's interesting. It's nice when you have someone that it's. It's like, yeah, I know we don't stay in constant touch, but there's no guilt about it. You guys are. You know, you love each other. You know that you'd be there if you. If, If. If he needed something or vice versa. But it's like, there's no. There's no pressure. We're still. We just get together and it doesn't have to be weird. It doesn't have to be a thing. I. I feel that way with a bunch of my. My Chicago group of friends. Right. It's a bunch. There's like three or four people that live in Chicago that They. I went to college with them and they all moved to Chicago for acting jobs and theater and whatnot. And they're all still living there. And every time I go to Chicago, it's just an instant. We meet up, we hang out, they come to my show, which is super sweet. They support me, we go out to dinner, we have tons of laughs, and. And then I see them the next time about I'm back in Chicago and. Or, you know, or if they're ever out here, but they don't really come out here. But it. That's a nice thing, too. It's just a nice sort of. There's no pressure. I feel like you're that way with Nick, too. Your friend Nick.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a guy that I met probably 20 some years ago. And, yeah. Just kind of always fall back into it whenever we're in the same place at the same time. But I'll say, the older we get, in my opinion, the harder it is to make friends. The older you get. Some friends like me and Logan will be friends forever because we have such a history together. We have 30 years of memories, 30 years of stories. And just like, you can't break that where when you're, like, older, you start. That's why I think one of my best friends is Stephen Bivins. And one of the reasons why we're have such a good friendship, because we did just meet 10 years ago, which. That sounds like a long time, but compared to all my other friends, that's like a new friend. And we've, you know, made the effort. We go back and forth. We see each other. You become really good friends with him. We've become friends with his wife.

[A]

It's. It's a.

[B]

It's a cool relationship because it officiated their wedding. Now, if she had their wedding. Yeah. And do you want to know the hardest type of person to make friends with? When you're a professional athlete, it's impossible to go into a town and make female friends. You can't. Like, you know, like when you. When you're an adult and you have a friend of the opposite sex you most likely met at work, Right? Correct.

[A]

Right. Yeah.

[B]

So as a pro athlete, if you just go, oh, hey, you seem cool, and we start talking to the bar, she's not. Oh, we should go freaking. I don't know, watch a football game. And it's like, no. After I played the NFL, I never made a female friend until I met Sarah and then I became friends with her female friends. But it's Hard to make female friends.

[A]

I could see that. I could see that that would be. I think. I think probably in general, it's a little harder when you get older to make friends at the opposite sex in some ways, other than, like you said, if you're working together every day, something like that. But just out and about. Because everyone. If you're single, you kind of are always feeling like you're feeling things out. And I mean, that's all my female.

[B]

For all of my female friends that I met, they're all lesbians.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

That's playing the NFL. All my female friends are lesbians.

[A]

Well, it's funny because, yeah, like, I mean, I have a few male friends that I've known for a long time, but then I have made some as I've gotten older, but it's from working. Like, my job is. My is. Is. I do meet people of.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, like Chris Gorham and his wife. He was on Insatiable with me. We're friends. But he's also friends with John. And. And. But as you. I did think it's. Something came to mind when you said making friends when you get older. I would say I made. I have made a really good friendship at. At this age, which I always find interesting. And that was like, Cat. Yeah, you know, Cat. And then. And her husband Sean, who. She said she's. I met her from. She was an executive at Lifetime when I was doing the. Right. When we first started doing our Merit at First Sight podcast coverage. And she listened to it and reached out to me, and it started as you thought. It was just like this business transactional conversation, and we're like, oh, we have so much in common. I love her. We have so much fun together. Then we meet, and then you guys. And now John gets along with her husband and the four of us hang out and. And they're just like, really cool people. They always invite us over, invite us to things. And so I have made at this age, a couple friends that I can't imagine not having around. Like, these are people that if I would have known them when you and I got married, I would have probably invited them to our wedding. You know, so it does. It. It varies, I think, based on what you do for a living, too, and how you meet people, because. And then like, when I did Designing Women, when I did that play in Arkansas, it's like I spent every day with these people, and I don't talk to all of them all the time, but they. A couple of them always Come to our Christmas party. And I talk to Elaine all the time. I talk to Carla quite a bit. So we. It's like. It just kind of varies, I think, through. Through what you do for a living and the time spent with people.

[B]

People.

[A]

And that's probably why, as I moved on from job to job when I was younger. Not younger, but, you know, even heading into my 30s. I mean, I don't speak to everybody that worked at Chelsea lately either, but if I ran into them, I would be thrilled to see them. Yeah, we all keep in touch kind of here and there. But it's not like, other than Kirkman, who I talk to all the time, Franol, I talk to all the time. Fortune, we talk to a lot, you know, so. But then, like, people on the producer side. Sue was. She's one of my best friends, and she was an executive producer on that show. So I don't. Yeah, just kind of is. It's interesting. It's an interesting conversation. John, thanks for bringing it up.

[B]

No problem. I'm trying to think back, like, one person that I had to, like, kind of like, freeze out or just like an interesting relationship is I had a friend in, like, 9th and 10th grade. He was, like, one of my best friends. You know, played sports together, did that, went to the same school. Then his mom got remarried and moved far away. So especially when you're 15 years old, there's no way to keep in touch with someone, especially back then. He had a long distance and everything. So I see him. He came back to town, like, three years later. I was playing university football, all this, and I came back, and he was the exact same guy that he was when he was 15. Nothing had changed. He was just still doing, like, the stupid shit we did when we were 15. I was like, that's. That's kind of weird. So I was kind of like, yeah, kind of, you know, went my own way. Five years later, I'm playing the NFL, and he comes to visit me in the NFL, and he's the exact same guy he was when he was 15. He hasn't changed, I think. I think weekends like that probably bring it out of guys even more because they're away from their family, they want to get drunk all weekend, and you kind of revert back to their dumb self. So I gave him a break there, but I was just like, I can't. Like, I'm in my mid-20s now. I'm playing professional football. When you're playing professional football, you're getting watched everywhere you go. And I'm taking along this guy over here who's a dipshit. Like, I can't lose cannons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

A fucking loose cannon. And I just had to kind of. Kind of freeze. Not freeze, but I just kind of, you know, drifted away from him. I was like, there's no need to keep on trying to make this a friendship when we've kind of gone our separate ways. I think. I think now he's doing a lot better. He has a wife and kids and everything. He's probably.

[A]

Where does he live?

[B]

I think he's living in Alberta.

[A]

Okay. I guess. I don't think I know who this is. I'll ask later. Speaking of, just. But to wrap this up, like a friend who gets away from their kids and loses their brain.

[B]

Oh, my God, Terry.

[A]

I love Terry so much. He is the best. He is the sweetest guy in the world. But boy, he. He.

[B]

Terry doesn't do well. Stress. Doesn't do well with stress. And he has two little kids at home that he is kind of takes care of now. His wife's a doctor, and when he gets a chance to get away for the weekend, he. He doesn't do anything bad. I don't want people to think, no, no, no, dick out. He just drinks heavily and just has a good time. Like, he's not. He's not doing anything about. He's really having a good time. And by the third or so day, you think that he might die.

[A]

He. He gets. He's so positive. He's so positive, right? He's so excited about everything. So the last time I, I remember, he was. He came here and then you texted me and where you. You guys were in the Delta Sky Club. Yeah.

[B]

Like, he.

[A]

You flew with him from somewhere?

[B]

Yeah, he. He flew from Calgary to Portland and then he had a whole week. He had a whole week to himself. So after the three games in Portland, him and I flew together back to la, right, to hang out.

[A]

So John texted me. He's like, we're at the Sky Club in la. And I'm like, you landed in la. You usually get. You leave la, why are you. Yeah, you're coming home. Why are you at the Sky Club now? And he was like, terry's never been. And he just got so excited and he thinks it's the coolest place he's ever been in his life. Like, that's. He's just a kid in a candy store everywhere he goes. And it's.

[B]

That whole.

[A]

Is wonderful.

[B]

So we. It was wonderful. We had to wake up very early in Portland And I think it was a bit of a shampoo effect, you know what I mean? Like, we back. We go to the Sky Lounge or the Delta Lounge in Portland, and he has one. One. One drink. And he always goes to the. This cracks me up. He'll just go to the bartender, be like, surprise me. He did this one time we were at the bar in Universal Walk. He just. The woman was just bringing, like, this fucking purple drink and then this yellow drink and then this pink drink. I'm like, dude, what are you drinking? I don't know. It's the best. It's the best drink I've ever had. So we're. We're in the. We're. We're in the. We're in the Delta Lounge, like five in the fucking morning. Six in the morning in Portland. Bit of a shampoo effect. He's standing up by the bar, he goes, john, have you met Bill? I go, terry, who's Bill? The bartender. You have Bill? You work here all the time. How do you know? You just got here. He just told me. He's a regular. He works here every day. Bill, come meet him. Like, oh, my God. So we got. Then we got first class on the plane. He has a couple of drinks on the plane. He's very happy with this. This is so awesome. It's the greatest flight of his life. And he goes, john, do you wanna have another drink? I'm like, yeah, sure. He goes, hey, can I hit the call button? I go, what? He goes, can I hit the call button to get another drink? I'm like, normally I'd be like, no, do not hit the. But he's so excited. I'm like, absolutely. But I hit the call button, she'll be right over here with two more drinks, and then we'll be traveling like a.

[A]

Make a wish.

[B]

Oh, my God. It was. It was. It was. It was the. It was the best flight of my life. Because I'm like, this guy is so happy to be here. Like, it can't be helped, but be, like, contagious. Then we land and he goes, john, is there a. There a Sky Club here? Like, yeah, but there's a Sky Club here. We should probably take advantage of that, right? I'm like, might as well, buddy. Jono. Jono. We gotta take advantage of this stuff when we have it, right? Absolutely, buddy. So we go to the Sky Club and it's like, sarah, you're not gonna believe this, but we're at the Sky Club in la.

[A]

It was so funny. I think it was a Saturday. It was like he's like, we're having breakfast here. I mean, is what it is. Like Terry's just having time is we'll

[B]

get home when we get home. I can't take this make a wish opportunity away from him.

[A]

Oh, well, that was fun. Thank you, John, for those laughs and those topics. Listeners, thank you for being here. We'll be back next week already with a full review of Summer Sisters by Judy Bloom. Your August book is Gray After Dark, Dark by Noel Eiley. Join us on Patreon for the fun short stories and other content. And join the Book List spinners Facebook group and get tickets to see me live at Sarah Colona.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

Bye. The book list, the book lisp. The book list, the book lisp. The book lisp.