Charlie Bit My Podcast

Summary

The Book Lisp with Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna Episode: "Charlie Bit My Podcast" Date: October 20, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively, banter-filled episode of The Book Lisp, married hosts Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna riff on their pre-Europe travel chaos, share anecdotes about hangovers and handshakes, muse over the cultural phenomenon of viral fame, and dissect non-spoiler highlights from their October book pick: The Good Lie by AR Torre. The duo's comedic chemistry shines as they weave personal stories with reflections on true crime and internet notoriety, leading up to next week's deep dive book review.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pre-Trip Chaos & Packing Dynamics (00:55–04:30)

• Sarah describes Jon's ultra-organized approach to packing for their European trip, laying out each outfit by date and city, contrasting with her own disarray.
  • "I fucking thought I was organized. I mean, that was…I felt shame." (Sarah, 02:09)
• Jon extols his efficient carry-on packing technique, noting it's tougher for women.
  • "People that are bad packers drive me crazy because I got everything into a carry on." (03:07)

2. On Solo Time, Stranger Danger, and (Not) Getting Hit On (05:06–08:44)

• Sarah relates to the protagonist Gwen's "don't bother me" vibe in bars, seeing her own habits reflected in the book (The Good Lie).
  • "As a lady who goes on the road all the time…a drink after a show... I put [the phone] in my hand and I hope that nobody will talk to me while I'm using it. But they still do sometimes." (Sarah, 06:03)
• Jon summarizes his approach simply: just because you're alone doesn't mean you're lonely.
  • "If I'm at this bar by myself, it's by choice." (Jon, 07:08)
• The couple jokes about tuning each other out with AirPods on flights, and Sarah teases Jon's pre-takeoff ritual.
  • "[On planes] I usually wait till we take off. Yeah, you go right into it." (Sarah, 08:06)

3. Long-Haul Flights & Book Recommendations (09:19–12:28)

• Sarah seeks book and show recs from listeners for their upcoming 12-hour flight.
• Jon raves about his "pod" experience flying to Germany, including the infamous snack basket and complimentary pajamas.
  • "I'm telling you, if you’re prepared for it, it's very nice, relaxing, 12 hours." (Jon, 12:04)

4. [Book Segment] On Drinking, Safety, and Urban Legends (13:26–16:40)

• The duo debates a scene from The Good Lie where a man offers Gwen a B6 pill for hangovers—Sarah points out the obvious red flag.
  • "Who approaches a woman in a bar that they've never met before and says, take this, it's just B6?" (Sarah, 13:47)
• They swap stories about pill-taking and party safety, with Jon recalling a questionable football locker room experience.
  • "My buddy, who’s the kicker, comes to me and just gives me like four or five pills and he says, take these. And I took them..." (Jon, 19:21)
• Sarah shares a wild tale of a friend who found and used mystery powder at work, learning the hard way not to ingest stranger substances.

5. Bad Handshakes, Social Dynamics, and Peacocking (23:23–30:34)

• The hosts analyze a line from the book about the "firm but not too dominant" handshake.
  • "I think that’s important because I think we all know handshakes…they say a lot about people." (Sarah, 23:44)
• Jon, aware of his NFL grip, recalls a time he accidentally gave a woman too firm a handshake.
• Both riff on awkward handshake scenarios, including Jon's embarrassing bro-fumble with football legend Warren Moon.
• They discuss the social “power moves” involved in handshakes and "peacocking" as attention-seeking behavior.
  • "There's a politician out there that does that, and it's real creepy. Like, handshake that pulls you a little bit too, like, as if, like, I own you." (Jon, 28:34)

6. Rainy Nights, TV Habits & True Crime Wind-Downs (16:42–18:38)

• The couple muses on the rare LA rain and its effect on their sleep, sharing a tip to "watch something lighter after a thriller" for a restful night.

7. The Rise and (Awkward) Fall of Viral Fame (33:03–41:18)

• The pod pivots to discuss how people achieve (and exploit) fleeting internet fame, referencing cases like:
  • Antoine Dodson ("Hide your kids, hide your wife")
  • "Hawk Tuah" girl
  • "Catch me outside" girl
  • Little Tay and the dark side of OnlyFans countdowns
• Jon points out the harsh reality that only a tiny percentage of influencers make real money, and ponders the trajectories once "youthful fame" fades.
  • "What happens when they're like 30 or 35? They can't keep on being influencers forever." (Jon, 36:14)
• Sarah and Jon both express skepticism at "post every day to find freedom" social media mantras.

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8. Classic Viral Video Origins: "Charlie Bit My Finger" and Local Legends (38:16–43:46)

• Jon mourns that the original viral stars earned little, using "Charlie Bit My Finger" and viral dance videos as examples—only to be corrected by Sarah, who asserts they did later get compensated.
  • "All these kids are standing on his shoulders right now so they can make their money off their freaking Tiktoks and their Insta faces..." (Jon, 38:52)
• He also hilariously relates the tale of Dick Assman, a Regina gas station manager who enjoyed a Letterman-boosted "15 minutes of fame".

9. Pranks, Voiceover Auditions & Wordplay (41:36–43:58)

• Sarah recounts a voiceover prank script based around the fake product "Dickens Cider" (“Everyone loves a hot dick and cider”), delighting in the confusion and eventual realization by unsuspecting voice actors.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Personal Space in Bars:
  “Just because I’m alone doesn’t mean I’m lonely. If I’m at this bar by myself, it’s by choice.”
  (Jon, 07:08)
• On Travel Preparedness:
  “People that are bad packers drive me crazy because I got everything into a carry on.”
  (Jon, 03:07)
• On Social Media Fame:
  “The people that are actually making money are like probably the 0.1%... But what happens when they're like 30 or 35? They can't keep on being influencers forever.”
  (Jon, 36:14)
• On Taking Substances from Strangers:
  "If you get offered something, even if they tell you it's B6... even then I wouldn't trust it."
  (Sarah, 14:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:55 – Packing for Europe & trip logistics
• 05:06 – Discussion: Solo bar time & “don’t bother me” energy
• 13:26 – Book scene: Stranger offers a pill; real-life safety stories
• 23:23 – Handshakes: Social cues, dominance, memorable fails
• 33:03 – Breaking down viral fame & influencer economics
• 38:16 – Classic viral video reminiscence (“Charlie Bit My Finger”)
• 41:36 – Voiceover pranks and wordplay skits

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Tone & Style

• The episode is deeply conversational, peppered with self-deprecating humor, swearing, and playful marital ribbing. Sarah’s wry cynicism and Jon’s folksy, sports-inflected observations are in full force, especially when discussing interpersonal dynamics or poking fun at pop culture moments. The candid, slightly chaotic style makes listeners feel like part of an inside joke—with earnest moments about safety and cultural commentary woven throughout.

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For Listeners

• Next Week: Full, spoiler-filled review/discussion of The Good Lie by AR Torre—bring your thoughts for the Facebook group!
• Get Involved: Join their Patreon for bonus content and videos; interact in the Book Listeners Facebook group for book recs and off-the-cuff banter.
• Engagement Welcome: Share your own travel, handshake, or viral fame stories on Instagram or in the group; all book opinions welcome—no judgment.

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This detailed summary should orient new and returning listeners alike, distilling the episode’s best bits, book discussion, and comedic chemistry without missing the plot.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, I'm Sarah Colonna.

[B]

And I'm John Ryan.

[A]

And you're listening to the Book List. The Book List.

[B]

The Book Lisp.

[A]

Oh, that's right. You're listening to the Book Lisp. Hello and welcome to the Book Lisp with John Ryan and Sarah Colonna. Hi, John.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

Sound excited to be here.

[B]

I am.

[A]

It is week three of your October book list, so as you know, no spoilers. We are going to dive into the entire book, the Good Lie by AR Tori next week. But today we just have some things that I pulled out of the book that won't spoil anything for you that we're going to chat. That's how we do weeks one through three. And John's. John's already announced his November book, but remind him again.

[B]

12 Days of Christmas by Debbie McComber.

[A]

Very exciting. Very exciting to go from serial killer and. And harm harmed teenagers to something about Christmas.

[B]

Happy times.

[A]

Happy times. And this month, so if you. If you're going back, if you want to join us on Patreon, we do short stories. And so this month it was the Situationship by Abby Jimenez. And next month we'll announce that a little bit later. But over on Patreon, we do Patreon exclusive stuff, like short stories that are super fun. We do them as videos, but you can also listen to them in your app. And then we have bonus episodes on the 15th and the. On the 5th and the 25th, as well as the 15th. And I think on the 25th, John and I decided we're going to do our Patreon episode just from Austria.

[B]

Austria.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kitzbuehl.

[A]

Kitzbuhl.

[B]

Kitzbuhl.

[A]

Yes. We're getting ready for our trip to Germany and Austria and Verona, Italy. And it's been a week leading up to it.

[B]

I'm already packed.

[A]

I know. By the time.

[B]

Put it in my bag.

[A]

This morning, speaking of serial killers. Oh, you already put it in your bag? Because I thought so the other day I came home, John Scott. I came home from Fort Wayne where I was working, and John has his. An outfit for every day laid out with the date and the city and what we're doing, like, oh, travel that day, whatever. And I was like, I fucking thought I was organized. I mean, that was. I felt shame. I haven't done. Why. I haven't even figured out what I'm wearing to the rehearsal dinner yet.

[B]

Well, listen, we're very used to packing for four or five days at a time. I can do that in my Sleep. But this is like, for 12 days, and it's in three different countries. I want to make sure I have the right thing for the right situation. And I don't. You don't want to underpack, but you definitely don't want to overpack when you're carrying a bag on four different planes and five different trains.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You don't want to. You don't want to carry around anything extra. Like, you know, people that are bad packers drive me crazy because I got everything into a carry on. And I know it's harder for women because you have more shoes and stuff, but I got everything in a carry on and I have room left over. Very. It's very organized. But I still put my suit in there. I still have to put my suit in there. So it won't be as much room as I thought, but.

[A]

Well, I might need some of that room.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It is easier because you have. I don't know, you have, like, these nice T shirts that fit you well, and they look what they look like. They can go all day and then also to dinner, and you won't look underdressed. I don't really have. I don't have that well.

[B]

I feel like I'm gonna be a little underdressed for a lot of dinners, but I'm not thinking. I'm not thinking like, a outfit for the day and then an outfit for the night. You know, I'm just. I'm just not doing it.

[A]

I know. And this is the problem. I don't have. A lot of My daytime wardrobe is California tank tops and kind of just way too casual a shirt. So I don't have daytime wardrobe that you have. So I don't know how I'm gonna do it. Anyway, it doesn't matter. We're already. By the time you're hearing this, we're already off and running in on our trip. So we have recorded everything ahead of time to make sure that you guys don't miss an episode. And I'll tell you what, it's been a lot of talking for me this week. Yeah. As Mary and I had to do all.

[B]

Catching up on a lot of podcasts.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

Catching up on a lot of podcasts. You're doing a lot.

[A]

Getting ahead on a lot of them. Yeah. So. But it's been. It'll be totally worth it and super fun. And here we are. Like I said, join us on Patreon, join the book listeners Facebook group, and let's talk about some fun nonsense that I picked out of this dark Dark twisted ass book. So one of one thing I wanted to talk to you about or get your opinion on is when she first went. When Gwen first meets Robert.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're at a. They're at a bar now. She says it's right after the. The her client's funeral, which they're get to all that next week, but it's right after that and they. So they were both at the funeral and then they're both in this really dive bar and he ends up approaching her and he said something like, you I've never seen a beautiful woman sit. Sit alone this long without getting hit on. Blah, blah, blah. It's like a line, but also, you know. Sure. And she says, well, I think I give pretty. Pretty good don't bother me vibes. Boy, did I relate to that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because that's what I do. Okay, well, I just thought. Do you not want to talk to me today?

[B]

Yes, I do.

[A]

I just think like, I give. I. As a. As a lady who goes on the road all the time, as a lady who goes to lunch by myself and has been doing that forever, even. Even now, so. Especially when I'm on the road alone, dinners by myself, a drink after a show. And a lot of times, hey, if there's so, you know, listeners or rumpers or podcast people that we communicate with, and if they're at a show or something, I love to talk to them after. Or if I run into them out and about or something, I love to talk to them after. But just stranger dangers, when you just want to just, I don't know, unwind or you. You are. A lot of times I'll do kind of work. I'm sitting on my phone at a bar. Sometimes I'm looking for topics, Sometimes I'm looking for books. Sometimes I'm looking up things for my, you know, I'm looking, I'm doing stuff. And sometimes I'm just scrolling. Doesn't matter. But I put it in my hand and I hope that nobody will talk to me while I'm using it. But they still do sometimes.

[B]

And I always say this, just because I'm alone doesn't mean I'm lonely.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If I'm at this bar by myself, it's by choice.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Every once in a while you get something like, oh, do you want to come join us? Fuck no. I don't even know you. Why don't. That'd be more weird than this. Like, if I'm sitting at a table by myself, it's because I want to be sitting at this table by myself. Okay. You don't have to look over and be like, oh, I wish, or oh, blah, whatever. I'm here under my own accord. I'm here because I don't want to talk to anybody. And my God, if I'm somewhere reading a book or have my earphones in, my AirPods in, it's really because I don't want to talk to anybody.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I don't know why some people.

[A]

Don'T get that sometimes I put my AirPods in and I'm not talking and I'm not listening to anything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just hoping you're not talking to me and I'm not talking about you. I do that to you a little bit. Mary and I were talking about this the other day. For some reason, whenever we get on the, Would you say, oh my God?

[B]

I said, oh, God.

[A]

Oh, no, I do. I do it to you on planes every time we get on the plane because you start right in. Now, Mary and I had a conversation about this because she does it to Mark too. But if you, when you, we get on a plane, you go right into listening, watching something on your ipod, whatever. I usually wait till we take off. Yeah, you go right into it. So then all of a sudden I have thoughts about, I don't know, people coming on the plane, something that happened, something that I saw. And then I'm like, john, John, you got your AirPods in. So I suddenly turned into the annoying person that doesn't respect the AirPods. Just, just for like 15 minutes before takeoff.

[B]

I, I, we're, I mean, we're usually first aboard because we're in first class, people. But usually when I sit down, I can get like a whole episode of a show in before we take off. You know, I start watching my show, they bring me my drink. It's like my happy place. I got my drink, my TV, I'm watching my, my stories. It's just, it's 30 minutes of bliss.

[A]

And you got me over there going, hang on a second. And then you got to take an AirPod out.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then I go, I don't mind. Did you see that? Guy's trying to get his thing into whatever. Yeah. Just not exciting, but doesn't bother me.

[B]

When you do it to me, babe. But we have, we have a 12.

[A]

Hour, give it a few more years.

[B]

It's been 12 years and it doesn't bother me ever. We have a 12 hour flight coming up, though. Have you prepared for this mentally?

[A]

No. So once you guys hear this, that Flight will have already happened, which is good. And I, I'm pretty. Listen, I. I've been on a one long flight before I was to Australia and I mean, I think I've told you this. That was when they said we were landing. I was like, why?

[B]

It's been so.

[A]

And it was like. Because I was, I was totally. It was my first time ever in one of those big just crazy pods. And it was because we were going there for Chelsea lately. So it was. They had to fly all of us because we were a union in first and then we had like a. There was a bar on the plane. It was so much fun. When they said we were landing, I, I truly was kind of sad. But so I think because we are. Fortunately John upgraded us to pods on our way there. I, I think. I'm not really worried about how long it is. I know I'm going to. I'm going to read. I am. Well, guys, even if, even since this is after the flight, please, if you have recommendations for things that you think we should be reading, I'm always looking and you guys are always recommending in the book listeners Facebook group, which I love but like post away because we have train rides and then a whole flight back. So there's plenty of books for me to be. So I've just started downloading and then I haven't started. Started downloading any stories, any shows yet. I don't know. Well. And I haven't started packing yet.

[B]

Well, I'm packed.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So here. When I took that 10 hour flight to Germany last month, it was like. It was no, it was no big deal. It was like. It was peaceful. It was nice. It was nice and relaxing. The airline did a good job giving us lots of food and drink, which I really liked. Right when I sat down, they brought you like a basket of snacks. I thought I had to like pick. I had to pick a snack out of there. The whole basket was just for me.

[A]

I know. You've been talking about that for a month.

[B]

This fricking basket. Just a phenomenal basket of candy treats. There's even a smooth. A mango smoothie in there. Oh, phenomenal. Yeah.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

A little warm. I could have had a little on the cooler side. I would have preferred that. But that's okay. That's neither here nor there, but the pod experience because I had my book, I had my. I had my. What do you call it? My iPad. I was just. It was 10 hours of entertainment for myself. They even brought me pajamas. I don't think we've been over this. I didn't put them on, but the thought of it was kind of cool, right? You know, I have too much self respect to put on airline pajamas, but I'm telling you, if you're prepared for it, it's very nice, relaxing, 12 hours.

[A]

Yes, I think so.

[B]

And probably with you. So I'll probably end up drinking more than I would by myself. So I'll be nice too.

[A]

No, I think. No, there's not. You won't be. Because we have, we have a whole. We have to go to, we have to go to Paris and, and we have then a two and a half hour layover be. And then get to Munich. So I. There's not, that's not happening. You won't, you won't want to.

[B]

I'll have a few.

[A]

Yeah, but you got to space it out and then take a nap. Anyway, while speaking of that, in the book, there is a. There is after they meet and, and she says she thinks she gives, you know, get away from me vibes. Well, then he does. Do they. They shake hands? Yes, but I was about to bring up a different thing first. And then we'll go back to the handshakes just because this goes off, what you just said, but there's that. So there's a moment sitting there when they first meet that he, they, they have a couple beers and then he goes, he takes out. She, she talks about like, oh, I can't really have too many more or something. And, and he takes out a, A little white pill and it says, here, take one of these. And she's like, what? And he says, it's B6. And he says you're supposed to take it when you're drinking and then take it before you go to bed and you won't have a hangover. And she says, no, thank you. Which.

[B]

Yeah, strange man with a pill.

[A]

Yeah. And the guy, I mean, we, we know this guy turns out to be a lawyer. He turns out to be a smart guy. He turns out like, who approaches a woman in a bar that they've never met before and says, take this, it's just B6. And thinks that this grown ass woman is gonna take it from him.

[B]

I hope, I hope no one's ever fallen for that one.

[A]

Yeah, listeners, if you, if you get offered something, even if they tell you it's B6, unless you actually see them, oh, peel off the, the safety label and unpack everything.

[B]

I don't know. Even.

[A]

And even then I wouldn't trust it. No, because remember in Ubers For a while they were going around, they were taking like a needle and putting. Maybe that was. No, maybe it was a Lifetime movie. I think it was a Lifetime movie. I think it was a Lifetime movie. But anyway, it could happen in a Lifetime movie. And they were taking. The Uber driver was like taking a needle and then poking it through the, the lid of the, the water. Water bottle and then putting drugs in there. It was, it was definitely a Lifetime movie.

[B]

Instead of real growing up, so many, like, there's so many like wise tales like that, like little things that wives. Tales like that. When we grew up, there's like so many little ones that just kept on going. I don't know if they're still circulating, but there's a lot. There was one that was always going around when we were kids. I think it was like right when hiv, we became more aware of hiv. And there was one that was like so and so brother went to a movie theater and he sat down and there was a needle in the seat. And then when he stood up, there was a note that said, now you have hiv. That was a real. That was a big one. Going around Saskatchewan for years.

[A]

I mean, who comes up with these? Now the one about the water bottle on it, honestly could easily happen. And maybe even if that wasn't based on a true story, then unfortunately they probably gave someone ideas with that movie. But, but yeah, it's like these, these old stories that you hear some sort of legendary story around a town and you're like, I don't feel like that happened. I don't think that happened.

[B]

I think, I think back home there's a lot of stories like it happened to a friend of a friend of mine.

[A]

Right.

[B]

A lot of stories like that and.

[A]

They didn't really happen. It's what you're saying.

[B]

No, I just think just the stories are just carried over and friend of.

[A]

A friend of mine gave a telephone.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Now, well, he, he gives her b. He tries to give her B6 and like a smart lady, she turns it down. But she, he. He tells her because that way she won't get a hangover. And it made me think of how we don't. And I, I know we've mentioned this before, but we don't really get hangovers, John. And I know sometimes I, sometimes I'll be a little tired because, yeah, from like, you know, if I went out, if I, if I go out after a show, especially because I don't normally stay out very late. So if I go out after a show, which I normally do after a show, but I'm just saying when I'm not performing, I'm. We're in bed at 10 o'. Clock.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

Oh my God. We went to bed last night, guys, and at like 9:30 got in bed because I needed to read the short story for a Patreon and. But we had started watching Wayward and it's on. Is it Hulu? Netflix? Netflix, Netflix. May Martin created it, stars in it, and Toni Collette is in it. And I'm sure a lot of you are watching it if you're not. We only got to one episode because it was. It was so good. But then we. When we got in bed, we were going to continue on and watch one more episode. But then I started reading this little Abby Jimenez short story that was so cute. And I thought, I don't think I want to go. I don't think I need to go back.

[B]

I think, I think that would be just after one episode of the show. It's very crazy already. I kind of know maybe where it's going, but not really. But it might be a good idea to watch that show and then watch something else right before you go to bed.

[A]

Yeah, I started thinking about that. I thought, I don't know, that it's the right. Even though I joke that I can fall asleep to true, true crime and all that stuff, it just, it got. It got a little crazy, a little fast. It's amazing. I mean, I can't wait to watch more of it, but I think I need to. I think in order for me to sleep better, I need to cut.

[B]

Cut out some true crime I'm fine with. But it's like the thriller. Like this is more of a thriller. I think I can feel it coming on as a thriller and thriller. I kind of. I find it harder to sleep after a thriller. Really fucks with my mind.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, just read a little Abby Jimenez before you go to bed. Although I slept like shit.

[B]

Yeah, well, I think we both did. It happens so rarely in, in la, maybe five to ten times a year. But it was pouring rain last night all. It started to pour rain at like 9 o', clock, right after we got to bed. And then it poured rain all night.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it was. You know what part of it is? It's loud. But then if you look like over top of like our shower and over top of your, your, your toilet in our bedroom outside, the roof is like a tin roof. So it's really, really loud over top of there. And it kind of. It's like, almost like a drum. And it reverberates back into our bedroom, which is very loud.

[A]

Yeah. Usually the sound of rain is kind of soothing to me, but for some reason, last night it was like, it.

[B]

Was too hard of a rain, I think. And it'll probably rain again here in about five months.

[A]

So that's your weather forecast coming from the book Lisp with John Wayne and Sarah Cohen.

[B]

You want to hear my story where I took a handful of pills from somebody?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. 2005, I was playing in Canada, the CFL. It was the second to last game of the year. The first part of the game, I make a tackle and absolutely tear my ankle apart. Like, tore the ligament off the bone and broke my ankle. So I proceed to play the rest of the game. I had like 10 more puns. Most painful thing ever. So I'm in so much pain the first half, and my buddy, who's the kicker, comes to me and just gives me like four or five pills and he says, take these. And I took them and I got through the rest of the game. Like, it hurt, but not like, quite as much. And then about an hour after the game, it was like, unbearable pain. The next day, I was completely black and blue up to my knee. Like, it was. I absolutely ripped my ankle apart. And he gave me a random handful of pills. He knew what they were, I didn't. I took them and I got through the rest of the game. That's my. He wasn't a stranger.

[A]

But do you still know what. Do you know what they are to this day, or no? You never asked? No.

[B]

Never asked?

[A]

No idea. Oh, my God, that's so funny. Did I ever tell you about my friend who took. Okay, I think I did, but I'll tell the listeners. When I was working at this bar, Formosa, we. When me and another manager, we were closing up one night, or I guess I wasn't a manager, but I closed up. So, I mean, yes, I was, because I put money in, whatever, but he was also a manager. So we're closing up one night, and he finds this white bag of powder underneath a booth in. In the bar, in, like, the patio bar. And he goes, what do you think this is? And I was like, I mean, it doesn't look good. It's probably some. It's somebody. Something. Somebody's missing it for sure. Probably. And he said, should we do it? And I said, fuck, no. Are you out of your mind? I was like, I don't.

[B]

The dice.

[A]

Yeah, really rolling the dice. I said, that's you. You're crazy. He goes, oh, I know. I was just kidding. Whatever.

[B]

I don't think he was.

[A]

No, he wasn't. Because I saw him. I saw him, like, three days later, and he looked insane. And I said, what's happening? You know, we were like, in our, you know, twenties. I said, what's what? What's happening? Why do you look like you haven't slept in three days? He's like, I haven't. I said, oh, no, you didn't. He said, yeah. He said, I. I. I snorted, whatever that was. And I've been up for three days. And I said, have you learned your lesson? And he said, yes.

[B]

But it was. What was.

[A]

I think it was meth. Yeah. And he's like. The weird thing was, it's like he's not. He wasn't like a drug guy. I'd never seen him do drugs. Like, none of. None of the us were. Like, I didn't. I wasn't. It's not as if I thought, oh, God, he's going to go home and probably take that because he can't help himself. I never expected him to actually do it. And, yeah, I think it was probably the last time. Maybe sometimes you just have to learn the hard way about drugs. And that's what he did. But I would just also suggest, as well as not taking a random pill from a guy you just meet or a girl you just meet at a bar.

[B]

Especially at a bar.

[A]

Yeah. Also, yeah. Maybe take them from your football player friend in the locker room for, like, Superman and your ankle up more. But don't. If you find a bag of white powder, don't snort it.

[B]

No. No. Even if it's a bakery, I mean, people are dropping dead from snorting cocaine right now.

[A]

Yeah. Don't do drugs, kids. No. Okay. That's funny. Another random thing that I want. This. I brought. I mentioned it already, but the. The handshake.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when she first meets Robert, he shakes her hand, and she says it was firm but not too firm. What does she say? She says it's. It was. I have it written down exactly. Because I want to. She says it was firm but not too dominant.

[B]

Oh. Oh.

[A]

And I like that. Yeah. I think that's important because I think we all know handshakes. They say a lot about people. Right? You. You kind of.

[B]

I struggle. I struggle with the handshake.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

I have very. I'm not bragging, but very strong hands.

[A]

Yeah, I know.

[B]

When I was in the NFL, we used to have this test we like, squeeze this thing. And I, I, my, my, my thing went off the end. I finished the thing. It was like 195 plus every time. Like, I could squeeze it right to the very end. One of the, Some of the strongest hands on the team. And so I don't think.

[A]

And then he complains when I want a massage and he goes, ooh, my hands.

[B]

I literally, I literally rubbed your feet on the couch two nights ago for 30 minutes.

[A]

I know. It was awesome.

[B]

You're so unthankful.

[A]

No, I'm not unthank.

[B]

You thought it was life changing.

[A]

Usually it was because I'm trying to make you keep doing it because it was so nice. And you usually do say you don't want to do it, but now I have a situation where one of my toes is trying to get on top of the other toe and we're concerned about it. I'm getting an MRI on my foot. Nobody worry. And, and, But I felt like whatever he was doing was relieving some of the tension that's driving two of my toes apart because he has such strong hands. Anyway, go ahead.

[B]

So I, I struggle with how firm to grab someone's hand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And one time I shook a woman's hand. I still remember it was 2007. I gave this woman a handshake of something that we were doing at the Green Bay packers, and she complained for five minutes that I squeezed her hand too tightly. And then I was always very self conscious after that.

[A]

Well, she sounds like an asshole.

[B]

Yeah, she had a real little temper tantrum about it. I was like, jesus, sorry. I mean, I didn't break your hat. I could have. I could have.

[A]

But I know you, and there's no way that you did it. So crazy. She's. She's one of those that probably gives you that weak little handshake that gives.

[B]

Me the creeps, but you never forget a bad handshake. So I. Do you know. Do you know who Warren Moon is?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL.

[A]

I've met him a few times.

[B]

And he. Yeah, because of you. He worked for the Steel for a long time. And one of the first times I met him, I kind of went, oh, hey, Warren, what's up? And I went in. He went in for like a handshake, but I went in for kind of like the. Up here, you know, a bro handshake. And so we kind of caught. We caught in the middle, and I just kind of. Instead of like, shaking his hand, I just kind of like, grabbed the end of his fingertips. Like, almost like a trailer hitch type situation. Just kind of like, went like that. I think I even pulled it. So I just, like, grabbed two or three of his fingers and just pulled them when he was just trying to shake my hand.

[A]

And so was it because you were nervous or because to.

[B]

I think we got caught in between, because you know how that situated. Sometimes guys have it more when one goes in for the fist bump and the other goes in for a handshake. And then you start going like this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All of a sudden you get into a situation where it's like a trailer hits, and you're like, hey, it kind of like that. But it was more awkward because it's like. It was like a lingering, like, touch caressing the tips of his fingers. It was just.

[A]

Now he knows you. But for. He probably was like, yeah, I talked.

[B]

To him several times since then. I never brought up that terrible handshake, but it was one of the worst moments of my life. Sorry, Warren.

[A]

Well, next time we. Next time we run into him, I'm gonna be like, remember when John gave you a little tickle at the end of your.

[B]

When he tickled your palm, then squeezed your index finger? That was a hell of a handshake.

[A]

Well, I am. See, because, like, where she says, not too dominant, because that. I related to that, because I think I am. I don't know. I don't know who did it to me. I don't know whose hand I shook when I was younger. That was like a little wet noodle situation. Yeah. And that's what that lady that complained to you probably does. So she's probably. Oh, my God. I mean, I don't think I've ever shaken your hand, because that would be weird. But if I did, I don't think you. You would hurt me.

[B]

There's a guy back home, and he's in the media. If anyone ever brings up his name, the first thing they say is his. He has a really bad handshake.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

You can't tell me who it is. You can tell me after.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I just tried to drink my water without opening the lid. But, yeah, I don't know who. Who hurt me, who did it to me and gave me a weird handshake when I was younger. But I. I will not. I refuse to. To not do a nice firm. And I'm not trying too hard. You know, I'm not like, hey, come on. Hey, guys, look at me. Like, I got a big, you know, big pussy or Whatever.

[B]

There's like this. This dominant thing that some guys think that they. They grab your hand and they pull you a little bit towards them.

[A]

Oh, that's.

[B]

You ever see that? Yeah, yeah. There's a politician out there that does that. And it's real creepy. Like, handshake. That pulls you a little bit too. Like, as if, like, I own you.

[A]

I don't like that. It's probably a lot of politicians that do that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure everyone's trying to. It's a real. It's a real move.

[A]

It's like peacocking, right? Is that the term for it? Yeah, yeah, sure. You know, don't they call it peacocking when someone's kind of.

[B]

I thought peacocking was when you had like. You're trying to like. Yeah, maybe I thought. Oh, maybe not.

[A]

What?

[B]

No, because.

[A]

What did you think it was?

[B]

No, I think that's peacocking. Sure.

[A]

Was it just. Just watching now? It's just when you watch peacock.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It says the act of wearing flashy or distinctive clothing in a. Acting in a bold way to get attention. So I think there's. Okay, that's it. Just in fashion. No behavior, exaggerated body language or social charm to capture attention.

[B]

Because I remember. Remember, I always talk about this freaking guy because he's such a creepy. The guy used to be like the pickup artist. He always talked about peacocking. How you wear, like one, like, goofy figure. One thing that's like. Like a top hat with a feather. And it just like one thing so that, like, some woman could be like, oh, what's that? You're like, huh? It's my top hat with a feather in it.

[A]

Well, I'll tell you what that would be. Yeah. And it would. That would make me run the other way. Not. I would not. If you showed up at my house with a Just. Well, just may. It's just not you. Anyway, it would be weird. I guess it depends on the person and, like, their style. Some people totally pull it off.

[B]

But there is an old guy that walks around our neighborhood. I think he lives in the old folks home down here. And he has, like a top hat and a cane, suspenders. He's real, like. He's real. Real little suave.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

He goes, hey, hey, young man. Look like you've been in the weight room. I'm like, yeah, yeah. He's like, all right, keep on going big by all right there.

[A]

He's not the one that. That you saw watching.

[B]

It might have been the guy watching porn in his room. I don't Know.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know if you guys heard that story, but I know you told it on. Was it like you told it on here? Right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

John saw a guy watching just. Just windows open, watching porn in the middle.

[B]

Windows open, stereo up for porn.

[A]

And the old folks home for everyone to see. Um, that's funny. There was something else in here that I was thinking about this. So Scott, the. The son just. Is he the one that. The one. Well, it happens right at the beginning. He's the person that shows up at the beginning and he comes home and he's been missing. So unless you haven't read the first five pages, I don't think I'm spoiling anything for anyone. So Scott is his is. He's the. He comes home, he did not get killed by the serial killer. That is right at the beginning. And he starts getting all this attention because of that. Right? So he, you know, he's been through a traumatic thing. It's all awful, blah, blah, blah. But he. He isn't really talking to his friends, but he's going. And he's doing the media rounds because, of course, I mean, he got. He's the only person to ever escape this killer. Is. Is. Or so we all believe at the beginning. And he starts doing media tours and stuff. And then. And then his mom, Nita, she says at one point in the book, she says he's also become an influencer, whatever that is. She says he's gotten. He gets sent products, his follower counts going up. And I was thinking how absolutely weird that is. But the. The. The author ar. Tori, she's 100% right, that this is the kind of thing that happens. Now listen, of course someone should be out there telling their story. They got away from serial, all these things. But like, the way people blow up. And I don't even mean from. From something traumatic like this. I. I mean more just the way someone will get like that moment of attention, national attention over something and then just ride that. Like, remember the guy forever ago, what was. You know, Hide your kids, Hide your wife.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. They're raping everyone up in here.

[A]

Yeah. If you guys don't remember who that is.

[B]

Oh, God. What was his name? I know his name.

[A]

I can put in high. I. I went to a party.

[B]

It was like the number one. It was like the number one Halloween costume that year.

[A]

Yeah, he was wearing like.

[B]

He was like wearing like a wife beater and.

[A]

Antoine Dodson.

[B]

Antoine Dodson.

[A]

So if you don't know who that is, look it up. And enjoy, I think. And if you don't remember that. But it was a. It was a viral moment where he was discussing something with a news team. A tough subject, but also made it very entertaining. It was an attempted, I think. And it doesn't matter. Just look him up. But I remember right after that I went to someone's party. Like it was during Chelsea lately. Someone had a party and he was there.

[B]

Yeah. Just riding minutes.

[A]

Yeah. And he was there. And then he would make all these different appearances. And you know, we got Hawk Tua out there. Right. She. She did her thing and then she had a podcast off afterwards. And then she was just in. What was that show that we were.

[B]

Movie. Where we're just watching. Yeah, movie.

[A]

And she was in it. And it's that. It was a. What was that? It was a sports theme movie that you had me watching.

[B]

Oh, it's Chad Powers. It was episode one of Chad Powers.

[A]

Right. Yeah. So she's really.

[B]

She's really riding that 15 minutes. Like, I think she's actually made enough money now that she's good if she's smart with it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And for getting drunk and saying Hawk Tua on. On tv, like, or on some guys. Whatever stream.

[A]

Yeah. And then there. And before that was the. What's her face. Catch me outside.

[B]

You know, Catch me outside.

[A]

So this is obviously very different than someone escaping something bad, but that's why we're having fun with it.

[B]

Instead of Catch me outside. One of the. Oh, no. It's like little. Little Taylor. Remember Little Tay. I don't know what she got. She had like one of those moments too. I think she faked her death at one point. She dropped her. And then I think she went on only fans. And it was like a countdown till she turned 18. The second she turned 18, she made like millions of dollars. Like. Like these guys are so creepy. They're waiting for girls 18th birthday.

[A]

Yeah, that's jump on their.

[B]

To pay whatever. However much money you pay a month to just. To what? Yeah, that's them do whatever. I mean, that's creepy. So for.

[A]

Yeah, that says a lot about someone waiting for the second that someone turns 18.

[B]

I mean, that's really creepy. Here's the thing about all these, like influencers and stuff. A lot of them, like, that's their whole life. Like they start doing it when they're like 12. I don't know if they freaking go to high school. They do it. And like a lot of them, there's a few. Like, I don't think people realize but like, the people that are actually making money are like probably the 0.1% are actually making like a real wage. There's a lot of people trying to do it, making nothing. But there's like that group in the middle who are probably making like decent money right now, 50, 60 grand a year. But what happens when they're like 30 or 35? They can't keep on being influencers forever. Like, it's gonna. It's gonna trail off very quickly and they have priority have their high school education.

[A]

I know, well, and because you see, there's this really annoying thing that I think is. Because at first I thought this isn't accurate, right? And then I realized I started reading comments on some of these that they go around a lot on TikTok and instag and it'll be someone sitting on, I don't know, a beach and just kind of looking off. And then it'll just say, post one thing every day and then find your free. Find your freedom and realize like. And it's like, no, that's not that how that works. I mean, that's. It doesn't just because, you know, whoever one, a random person starts going, oh God, I heard if I post every day on TikTok, I become a millionaire. But people, I guess for the engagement, they say something like that and then they get more engagements and then they get more money on their account. I don't know. It's like rage baiting almost every once.

[B]

In a while when I start scrolling and then you get kind of got caught in some kind of algorithm or something and it's just like 20, 30. However many people use the same thing, they're like so and so said I couldn't get this many likes or I'd do this. And then it's like a hundred people use that same thing. It just, it's so freaking annoying. That's when I have to like, like erase the app for a month.

[A]

The only thing I do like when people use a lot of the same thing is when it's like a trending song and everyone starts. Or not maybe a trending song, but like, remember there was a moment where everyone was you using. I met a strange lady. She made me nervous. She took me in and gave me breakfast. And they were. And they were. And it was all like, how I met my cat.

[B]

No, those ones are funny.

[A]

I couldn't get a enough. I couldn't get enough of those. I tell you that. I could not get enough. I would watch and then I made one of my Own.

[B]

Well, those are funny.

[A]

Yeah. So that's. That's what I mean.

[B]

There's ones really pissed me off.

[A]

I know, because they do that. And then there's. There's one that's always, like going around. It doesn't matter. There's one. There's just a bunch of them.

[B]

You know what sucks is, like, the originators of those, like the official, like the first, like, influencers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Someone thought of it, but the first ones that did it and didn't get paid for it, like, like, Charlie bit my finger.

[A]

It's. Charlie bit my finger.

[B]

Oh, babe, are you serious? Charlie bit my finger. It was like the most watched video ever and the kids didn't take a dime off it. It was watched like a billion times or something.

[A]

Will you say it again?

[B]

Charlie Mulfinga is like an English kid. And then there was not the dance of the decades. Or that guy does like all the. The dance moves through like a whole. He does like the. You know what I'm talking about?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he didn't make a cent. Whereas if he would have done that exact same thing now on TikTok, he'd be a millionaire. You know, all these kids are standing on his shoulders right now so they can make their money off their freaking Tiktoks and their Insta faces. And this guy ain't got nothing done. Got a pot to piss in.

[A]

Hmm.

[B]

You don't know Charlie bit my finger.

[A]

I do not. And I. It says the family earned tens of thousands from ad revenue and TV spots after the video's popularity grew. May 2021, the family sold the original video as an NFT for 760,000.

[B]

Well, that's good. An NFT. That's a bunch of BS but.

[A]

Yeah, but it says they. The family stated they made an estimated total of about a million over the years, which they plan to use to pay for the children's university education.

[B]

Well, that. That's great. But if that video was on right now on a YouTube channel, they would have made $20 million. Yeah, it was like. I don't know if it had a billion. It was.

[A]

Yeah. This was 2007. Yeah. Oh.

[B]

So, yeah, but they were like the originators of that stuff in Regina. Babe, do you want to hear the ultimate 15 minutes of fame?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So David Letterman, he used to read out these advertisements. So people would send in their small town advertisements and then he would read them out if they were funny. You know what I mean? So the manager at the Petro Canada out on the east end in Regina his name was dick assman. And so someone sent in the dick assman and he read it out loud. I mean, his name is Richard Osmond, but it's dick assman. And then everyone was killing themselves laughing. And I think he did it again the next night. And then he had dick assman on, who was just this, like, this very normal guy from Saskatchewan who worked at the gas station his whole life. And then this guy, he really didn't want his 50 minutes of fame to go away, so he, like, at the petro Canada, he would, like, sell t shirts. He'd sell bumper stickers. We used to always go to high school. We used to always go and thought it was hilarious to ask for his autograph. Loved it. Anyways, he had the most senseless 15 minutes of fame of anyone I've ever seen in my life. And he was from Regina, but also, babe, they're going, dick asseman from Regina.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I mean, it was really. It really came all the way around there, and he died, but he. He had his moments.

[A]

Well, Letterman made him very famous. That's funny. I knew nothing about dick Assman. I didn't know about. Charlie bit my finger.

[B]

Charlie bit my finger.

[A]

No, I don't know about it. The one thing you're making me think of that's really stupid, and it really has nothing to do with influences or anything, but just because you said the dick ass man. And I don't know how it made me think of this, but when I used to do some voiceover, I got a few jobs, but I never really. Could. Never really quite figure it out. It's a tough industry to break into. But my. I would go to my. I would go to auditions, and I had told this. Told one of the agents about this old prank, like, this old thing that my. One of my friends from back home used to say. And I forget what. What he used it for, but I was telling him about it, and it was basically like a fake commercial for something called Dickens cider. Right. So. And. And so I was telling you, howard.

[B]

Stern, fake phony call.

[A]

Yeah. So they basic. So the agents took this. I told them how it went, and they made copy. And so. And then people came in in the morning, and they were like, you're reading for dickens cider, okay? And it was like, everyone. Everybody loves a hot dick ins. It's like, it's a holiday season, and the only thing on your list should be a hot dick insider. I mean, and it took like, some people were. You know, they're reading it because they think it's a real job. And they're like, wait a minute. And that. And I remember one of our friends, Todd, was like, this. This doesn't. This doesn't sound right.

[B]

Like, I don't.

[A]

It was so funny watching, like, every person come out of the booth trying to figure out if they read for a real commercial or not. So.

[B]

But it's so funny, all that stuff. Like, people are just, like, trained to read. Like, a lot of, like, people in news just, like, trained to read right off the teleprompter. Like, anchorman Willfair kind of does like a prank on that in the. In the show. Like a joke on it. Because there's trained to just, like, read right off the teleprompter. And I think it's probably the same with that. You're just trained to read what's on the paper.

[A]

Yeah, you're just doing hilarious. Just trying to get a dang job. Like, I don't know, hot. Everybody loves a hot dick and cider. Okay, well, that was fun.

[B]

Yes, baby.

[A]

Thank you guys so much for listening. We appreciate you. And if you want to join us on Patreon, we really have a lot of fun over there. 5th, the 15th and the 25th. We'll probably post a couple random videos on there while we're. While we're on our European getaway. Just because why not? And cannot wait for next week to discuss the full review of AR Tor's the Good Lie. I can't wait to hear all your thoughts when you're on the Book List Spinners page and I post, you know that. That the. That the book's up. That the review is up that day. Love, please comment. Comment your thoughts, comment your likes, your dislikes and things that you agree with, things you don't. We all have fun. There's no. No feelings hurt. Don't be, don't. Don't be mean. But we're allowed. The books are all, all taste. Right? So if something isn't your taste, it's not your taste. So. And if it is, great. So there and on the book at the book list on Instagram is also another place you can do that. But the group is kind of fun because everyone chats with each other and shares books and I love that. So it's just a easy place to gather and anything else you'd like to say to the listeners, John?

[B]

Nope, that's it.

[A]

Okay, we'll see you next week. Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[A]

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