"Meet Me At The Lake" Full Discussion

Summary

The Book Lisp Podcast Summary: "Meet Me At The Lake" Full Discussion

Hosted by Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna
Release Date: July 28, 2025
Book Discussed: Meet Me at the Lake by Carly Fortune

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Introduction

In the July 28, 2025 episode of The Book Lisp, hosts Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna dive deep into Carly Fortune’s summer romance novel, Meet Me at the Lake. Known for their engaging and humorous take on diverse literary genres, Jon and Sarah unpack the intricacies of this psychological thriller set against the backdrop of a serene lakeside resort.

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The Perfect Summer Read

The discussion kicks off with Jon and Sarah deliberating what constitutes the quintessential summer read.

Jon Ryan emphasizes simplicity:

“It's a romantic story of summer love that takes place near a beach or water. That's it. That's all you got to do.” [01:14]

Sarah Colonna builds on this by highlighting additional elements:

“We got a resort, we got references to Dirty Dancing. We got lovers, we got family history. It's nice. I liked all those things.” [01:14]

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Canadian Influences and Setting

Delving into the book’s setting, both hosts note the prevalence of Canadian cultural references, reflecting Carly Fortune’s heritage. They discuss specific locales and cultural markers like Weber’s Burger and the iconic Tim Hortons.

Sarah Colonna mentions:

“We all got Tim Hortons... Weber’s Burger. Do you ever heard of her?” [02:03]

This segment underscores how the Canadian setting enriches the narrative, adding authenticity and local flavor.

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Character Analysis

Fern and Will

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the protagonists, Fern and Will. Sarah is intrigued by Fern’s lingering resentment towards Will for not meeting her at the lake a decade prior, while Jon critiques Will’s inconsistent behavior.

Sarah Colonna reflects:

“Fern... she's got a real chip on her shoulder for since then.” [25:08]

Jon Ryan voices frustration:

“Oh, Sarah did this and this and this... You can go back.” [25:08]

They explore the depth of Fern’s character, her struggles with past trauma, and her journey towards self-acceptance. Jon specifically addresses Will’s flaws, pointing out his lack of balance and commitment.

Jon Ryan states:

“He has no balance. It's all or nothing. All the way around.” [18:42]

Maggie and Family Dynamics

The discussion also delves into Fern's relationship with her late mother, Maggie, and the impact of her diaries on Fern’s personal growth.

Sarah Colonna notes:

“The mom, Maggie and her diaries play kind of a character in the book.” [28:02]

Jon Ryan adds:

“It's like Maggie’s never in this book. She's only in this book through the memories of Fern and through her diary entries.” [28:15]

This exploration highlights how past generations influence present relationships and personal identities.

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Themes: Love, Guilt, and Personal Growth

Jon and Sarah examine the central themes of the novel, such as the enduring impact of first love, guilt over past mistakes, and the journey toward personal empowerment.

Sarah Colonna summarizes Fern’s arc:

“She ends up kind of comes to her own at the resort and doing her own thing and, and, and kind of raising them back out of the ashes.” [12:53]

Jon Ryan discusses the emotional baggage:

“...she was alluding to this huge mistake she made as a teen, but she wouldn't say what it was.” [46:08]

These themes are intricately woven into the narrative, providing a rich tapestry of emotional and psychological development.

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Criticisms and Frustrations

While generally positive, the hosts voiced specific frustrations with the characters' decisions and plot developments.

Sarah Colonna critiques:

“I just was wondering why Fern had to run around. I mean, he ditched her the day of her big dance... why it's so hard for this guy to just say.” [24:33]

Jon Ryan echoes similar sentiments:

“...he takes off for a month at a time when things aren't going his way.” [22:56]

Their candid critique offers listeners a balanced view, acknowledging both the strengths and shortcomings of the book.

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Notable Quotes

Throughout the episode, several poignant and humorous quotes stand out:

• Jon Ryan on Will’s inconsiderate behavior:

  “You don't just ghost someone after two dates.” [24:45]

• Sarah Colonna on reading diaries:

  “I don't want to know anything... I don't want to read a single page of that.” [32:33]

• Sarah Colonna on character parallels:

  “The roses are the characters in the book that I assume John and I will be one day.” [30:20]

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Ratings and Final Thoughts

In their concluding remarks, Jon and Sarah rate the book, reflecting their overall impressions.

Jon Ryan gives:

“10 out of 12 beers.” [49:23]

Sarah Colonna provides:

“I’m gonna give it four and a half out of five.” [49:56]

Their ratings encapsulate their enjoyment of the book while acknowledging areas for improvement, particularly regarding character development and relationship dynamics.

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Upcoming Features and Recommendations

The hosts wrap up by promoting their Patreon-exclusive content, including bonus chapters and short stories related to Meet Me at the Lake. They also tease their next book pick, "Sometimes I Lie" by Alice Feeney, promising another engaging and thrilling discussion.

Sarah Colonna enthusiastically encourages:

“I really like it. We will read more by her, I'm sure.” [48:02]

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Conclusion

Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna’s discussion of Meet Me at the Lake offers a comprehensive and engaging analysis of Carly Fortune’s novel. Their blend of insightful critique, humor, and personal reflections provides listeners with a nuanced understanding of the book’s strengths and areas for improvement. Whether you’re a fan of summer romances or psychological thrillers, The Book Lisp delivers a well-rounded and entertaining review that’s sure to pique your interest in the next literary adventure.

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Transcript

[Sarah Colonna]

Hi, I'm Sarah Colonna.

[John Ryan]

And I'm John Ryan, and you're listening.

[Sarah Colonna]

To the Book List. The Book List.

[John Ryan]

The Book Lisp.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, that's right. You're listening to the Book Lisp. Hello and welcome to the Book Lisp with John Ryan and Sarah Colonna. Hi, John.

[John Ryan]

Hey, how you doing?

[Sarah Colonna]

Hey, say hello to the Lisponers.

[John Ryan]

Hello, listeners.

[Sarah Colonna]

Week four, it's the fourth Monday of the month, which means we're about to discuss all things. Meet Me at the Lake by Carly Fortune. Quite the summer read.

[John Ryan]

It is. It's a perfect summer read, in my opinion.

[Sarah Colonna]

I agree. I want you. And I'm gonna ask you about what. What makes the perfect summer read in just a moment. Now that you said that, because I want to know. In my opinion, we got a resort, we got references to Dirty Dancing. We got lovers, we got family history. It's nice. I liked all those things. I will. What is it? Yeah, I'll just ask you now. What is it? What makes the perfect summer read to John Ryan, since you're actually the king of summer reads?

[John Ryan]

It's a romantic story of summer love that takes place near a beach or water. That's it. That's all you got to do. That's it? That's it. Okay. If this. If this whole entire book took place in a freaking igloo, no one would read it.

[Sarah Colonna]

I. I really expected some sort of. You know, there was some kind of. I don't know, something. Something.

[John Ryan]

Nope. That's the entire formula right there.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, guys, it's really closed. Put that into AI and become a summer summer author right away. Yeah, Carly Fortune, she's Canadian as well, right? So there was a lot of references to Canadian things. Is that what. There's a place, a burger place. She mentions Watts.

[John Ryan]

Oh, really? What's it?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I don't know. I highlighted it because I wanted to ask you if you knew what it was, but then I forgot.

[John Ryan]

You see, it's like out west, where I'm from, there's a lot of different things. It's all feels. It almost feels like a different country than Ontario. Ontario, that's very different because it's basically comparing, like North Dakota to Alabama. You know, it's like almost different sides of the country, so we have a lot of similarities, but there's also a lot of differences in some of the restaurants and stuff like that.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, interesting.

[John Ryan]

We all got Tim Hortons.

[Sarah Colonna]

All got Tim Hortons, yeah. As you guys know, John is from Saskatchewan, but. Yes, this is so Weber's Burger No, Weber's. You ever heard of her? Oh, okay. I was just curious. I just. I just put in burger into search in my little Kindle and. And then three different burger references came up, and that was the one I was looking for.

[John Ryan]

Well, do you know who Anne Marie is? Do you know? Oh, really? I thought she was Indian.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, she's country, so that's why I know her.

[John Ryan]

Is she really, when you go to country. Anne Murray?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Yeah, I thought so. Is it not country? Just another woman in love, kid out of school, a child of control.

[John Ryan]

Oh, yeah. Pop, country, adult contemporary and gospel.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay.

[John Ryan]

Known as Canada's songbird. Okay.

[Sarah Colonna]

I really. I got it right, by the way. I just looked at the lyrics. Just another woman in love, a kid out of school, fire to control, Just another fool and then you touch me and I'm weak I'm a feather in the. Yeah, I. They used to play around the country stations in Arkansas. That's all I know.

[John Ryan]

It was. She was like, it wasn't cool to listen to her because everyone's grandma listened to her when I was growing up.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, my mom listened to her when I was growing up.

[John Ryan]

Well, I mean, they're similar in age. She's 80. Your mom's 70. Mid-70s.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right? True. Why is that? You're only seven years younger.

[John Ryan]

My grandma loved her. Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

And if you're only seven years younger than me. So how does your. How is your grandma. My mom, so close in age?

[John Ryan]

They aren't. My grandma's 97. I said Anne Murray's 80.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, right.

[John Ryan]

My grandma's 97.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right. And I know that your grandma's 97. So I don't know why I just said that, because I know how old she is because we talk about it all the time. How long the women live in John's family. Anyway, yeah. Okay, back to the book list and meet me at the lake. You could see we're having some fun today, guys. On patreon. It's only $5 a month. You can join. We do Patreon exclusive stuff. We do a short story every 15th of the month. Those are always fun. They're quick reads this month, tomorrow, if you're listening to this on Monday, the day it comes out tomorrow, you can listen to us talk about. I'm going to dramatically read. We're going to. Actually, we filmed it on our iPhone, like professionals. And I think you're going to dramatically read.

[John Ryan]

And I'm just going to listen. Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

I'm dramatically reading the bonus chapter to Meet Me at the Lake. By Carly Fortune. It's told from Will's perspective and I believe it takes place 10 years ago. So it's when his perspective of when they first met. So it is. I haven't read it yet. I want to be surprised when I read it. But I will be reading it to John after we finish recording the episode that we're doing right now. And then it will be on Patreon. So we do fun things like that over there. It's only $5 a month, so please join us. And then the 5th and the 25th, you always get bonus content too. And then who knows what in between. So fun stuff. And join the book listeners, the Facebook group, it's a great group talking about books, talking about this podcast. People suggest stuff that we haven't heard of. People suggest all. It's very fun. So join us there. And if you are in San Antonio, come see me at Stable Hall Aug. 15. The night before that, I'll be in the Woodlands Aug. 14 at Do Si do the Big Barn, which both amazing venues. I need Texas to come out and see me. And then 18th through the 24th, I'll be in Vegas at Brad Garrett's comedy club. So get your tickets. Sarah Colonna.com all right, overall thoughts on the book, how should we start?

[John Ryan]

Well, I liked it. Yeah, I really liked it. You know, I think we should just start at the start and how they, they have a one day meeting, right. He's painting a mural at the coffee shop that she's working at and they closed down the coffee shop because they're painting and then she didn't know this and they just, they have a one, they basically have one whole day together where they see the city and they basically kind of fall for each other a little bit.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, well, a lot. Because why does she have a grudge 10 years later for this guy that didn't show up at the lake?

[John Ryan]

Yeah. For one day.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. @ the end. This is all there. Go ahead, go ahead now. Go ahead.

[John Ryan]

So this is also how Most relationships on 90 Day Fiance work as well. Usually a woman goes to whatever Jamaica meets some hot guy that's a tourist guide. They party for three days and she goes back home and she says I gotta bring that guy over on a K1 90 day visa and we gotta be married forever. Right. Like that's basically how 90. It's like basing your everything on one day is a little much.

[Sarah Colonna]

It is. And that is. Yeah. It's funny though, the one thing I just wanted to bring up to say a Little random part of the book, when she's talking about how. Where he's painting the mural, she says that the walrus painting the murals used to have flyers and different things, you know, promotional things hanging up and missed connections. Do you remember missed connections?

[John Ryan]

Yeah, it was like a big, like, Craigslist thing.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, it was. I think it was on Craigslist, but yeah, it was.

[John Ryan]

Meg, I haven't heard about that, like, 15 years.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know, because now I guess it's. I mean, I. I don't even know if it still exists. It might, but, yeah, it used to. It used to be like, oh, I saw you at the grocery. I saw this girl at the grocery store. She had brown hair, she. Blah, blah, blah, ponytail. She had Greek yogurt in her basket. And I didn't have the balls to say hello. Yeah, anyone know who she is? And then if that girl saw it, she would then reach out to the guy.

[John Ryan]

Now you just go to Instagram, type in those five things, and that girl will probably pop up.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, very true. Good point. So. But it just. I thought that was a little nostalgia thing anyway. Yeah, she. At the end of their long. Their long date, they have a huge connection. They're both in another. In a relationship. She's in a relationship with Jamie, who. Listen, I loved his character. Not sure what he was doing in the book sometimes, but I appreciate. I appreciated his character, but I guess kind of just to be. Just to show you that all these people from her past still were at the resort and. Or something. I guess so it felt like there was times when we were supposed to wonder if he was still in love with her, but then there. Then I didn't get that at all. So.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah, he was.

[Sarah Colonna]

He.

[John Ryan]

He was more in love with the resort than anything.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes.

[John Ryan]

Like, I think that's the whole thing. But I was like, I don't totally know why he was in there either, but I guess it kind of showed, like, almost like she's a good person because her ex boyfriend still like, like, loves her, really likes her, or can get along with her. Yeah. And then I feel like there was still like, always felt like there might be, like that. That might be like her backup plan if what's his face doesn't come through.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And I think he was kind of her. You know, he's the connection to her mom and. Because her mom loved him and. And even though they broke up, he's still like. There was a time when Will walked in and they were working late, and he's like, oh, we Just make. We're making out and like, joking around, kind of ribbing around. But I think he was. I don't think he was still in love with her. I didn't get that vibe. But yeah, kind of seems like maybe it was more to. To remind us of. Of. Of the history that is at this resort for her, her family, her mom, her grandparents.

[John Ryan]

Peter.

[Sarah Colonna]

Peter, who was definitely loved her mom, didn't. Wasn't con. I think we. She gets a resolution in the book where she always thought maybe he wished he could have married her and maybe he didn't know how she felt. So she wanted him to read her mom's diary and find out that she really did love him and care about him. But Peter knew, and he was like, I didn't want marriage. I just wanted her. Which I thought was very sweet. So, yeah, it. There's. There's this whole sense of family. There's. She had some trouble with find. She always hoped that she would find out Peter was her dad. When she found out her real dad was just a lifeguard at the resort who wanted nothing to do with her. And. And when she reached out to him, basically said, I don't want it. My. I have a family now. I don't want them to know about you. She turned into a rebellious teen, which she admits to Will early on, on their. I mean, at the kind of at the end of their date that she basically partied and started a fire and burnt down the sunroom in their house, and her mom had to come in and save her and other kids. And very. She was very ashamed of those days. But as Will said, you can tell a person that you have just met anything because they.

[John Ryan]

I think that was another thing why she always kind of refers back to maybe she didn't want to be at the resort anymore. She wanted to move to the big city where not everyone knows your business. She talks about, like, all these summer people come back every summer, and everyone in there was talking about her doing this, having this fire with her friends, partying, and she felt like she couldn't go anywhere without people talking about that. That's part of the reason why she just wanted to get out of there and live in Toronto, the big city, as opposed to being at this little tiny resort for the rest of her life.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And I think overall for her arc in the book, we see her, and I think Will even says it to her at one point. You know, you thought you didn't want to do this because when they first meet, she's like. And Then she has to tell her mom, too. I don't want to have anything to do with the resort. That's your dream, not mine. And of course her mom's disappointed because it was always her dream, but you understand, like, not. Just because someone grew up in a family business doesn't mean they have to take it over. However, once her mom passes and she ends up going back there and she ends up kind of coming into her own at the resort and doing her own thing and, and, and kind of raising them back out of the ashes a bit because business is going downhill and Will's there, of course they're consulting, which we find out he offered to do when he met her mom. But she comes into her own, and then she's happy with. It's like this, kind of. This nice, you know, she's going to be happy at that resort, which is good. We don't want to see her give up.

[John Ryan]

When, When Maggie was still alive, why do you think she wanted Fern to take over? Like, as tradition or just for love or out of guilt? Like what. Why do you think that she wanted her to take over or just tradition?

[Sarah Colonna]

I think tradition. I think she. I think she knew she had took pride in the place and something like that. You hope, you know, you raise your kid there and they love it and they're part of the family of it, and you hope that they one day want to follow in your footsteps. And, and that's also the only person you probably trusted to in your death is someone, Right. That you. That.

[John Ryan]

And I think that part of that, too, is probably, like, she probably just assumed that she wanted to.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right? And part of assume, part of it was she didn't know that she was. I mean, she. She died tragically and out of nowhere. So the other part of that is I think she also, because there was another moment in the book when, when Fern tells her she doesn't want to be there, that she says, well, I just always thought it was going to be me. You know, I was beside my mom. I thought it was going to be you beside me. So she want. She thought it was something they would do together because she did have that troubled upbringing here and there, and she and the mom, I'm sure, I think, felt guilty at times for the lifeguard and blah, blah, blah. So I think it was also her dream that they could do it together.

[John Ryan]

And I think that they talk about in the book how Maggie dies from having a really busy night, the ice machine's not working, and Maggie goes out to grab ice for the resort. So, like probably many bags of ice and she ends up dying in a car crash on the way back.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right.

[John Ryan]

Which it's. It's frustrating to lose a parent, but it's frustrating. It's probably more frustrating to, you know, more at first more frustrating. Maybe not more frustrating than sad, but probably frustrating because of the way you lose someone.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, yeah.

[John Ryan]

You know what I mean? Like, it's like, what? Like, why don't you just get the ice machine fixed? Why don't you just send someone out there? Be like, so what ifs in that situation.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, for sure. That would be. And that's not going to help her feel kindly towards the resort at the beginning.

[John Ryan]

Right. And I think it's not. That was like, she wasn't obviously doing anything stupid. But my mom used to always say, I'm paraphrasing a little bit, the first time I see you in heaven, I want to hug you, not slap you. Yeah, I remember. I always like thinking about, like, I'm not getting in this car with this drunk driver because I don't want my mom to slap me when she sees me someday. You know, I'm paraphrasing a little bit, but I. It. You wouldn't know that you would want to slap her. You'd be like, mom, why the hell did you have to go get that ice? Like, why'd you have to do that? It'd be like you'd be frustrated. So I think of that whenever. When we're about to do something stupid.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's a good. That's a. It's a good way to think, actually. Now. Okay. So Will and Fern are the. Are the, Are the story. And I. They had this strong connection. And I believe that sometimes people just have this really strong connection. Her disappointment that he didn't go meet her a year later now. And now her and Jamie aren't together anymore, that year later. And she can meet him at the lake at the designated area and he doesn't show up. But really he did. We find out later, but he doesn't show up. And. And then she really carries that with her for 10 years and for. For nine more years. And I get it, we're supposed to believe these two are meant to be. It's sweet. I like the story of it.

[John Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

But Will, as. As an individual coming there, helping her out, not really admitting at first that he's the one that offered to help out, but that's okay because it's sweet. He's doing everything. He's helping, he's Doing. He's turning. He's how he wants to. It's his mission to sort of turn this place around. And. And they end up. I mean, we all read the book, right? They. They. There's. They have one. Gosh, that was quite a passionate night in the cabin, by the way, John. I was blushing a little bit.

[John Ryan]

The first went from, like. Like a romance novel, you know, like a beach novel, to, like, triple X. Real quick.

[Sarah Colonna]

Real quick. It was. She.

[John Ryan]

She.

[Sarah Colonna]

They got in an art. They got in an argument, and she said something about, just because you gave up on your dreams doesn't mean I didn't give up on mine. And he went back to his cabin, you know, because we all know he was an artist and now he's a corporate guy, but he's actually like, cabin 20. Yeah, he talks about it later. He actually likes his job. He goes back to cabin 20. Next thing, she goes over there and she says, I'm sorry, that was mean. I'm fast forwarding. But we all know. And, I'm sorry, that was mean. And then he. And then he's like, what do you want, Fern? What do you mean? And he's like, you need to tell me what you want. She's like, I want you. And then. And then he's, like, holding her arms and telling her not to move and putting his head between her legs and all kinds of business. John.

[John Ryan]

It was just a moment of Fifty Shades of Gray, you know, just. Yeah. You know, they thought maybe. Maybe the book was trailing off a little bit to spice it back up.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's right. Well, they spiced it up and they start banging on the reg, as the kids would say. Can you see it? Go ahead.

[John Ryan]

Go ahead. No, go ahead. I was starting a whole new subject.

[Sarah Colonna]

No, do it.

[John Ryan]

Okay. I was talking about, like, Will, because he's like. He's such a good guy, and he, you know, he wants to kind of, like, secretly help Fern's mom, and then it turns into he doesn't really realize that she died. He wants to help. And then he wants to help his sister. And the. Basically, why he didn't pursue a relationship because he had to. Had to help his sister. Then later on in the book, he ditches out because he's helping his sister and his niece. And, you know, he does all this stuff, but he has no balance. Like, I feel like you're a good guy, but then you ditch, like, your girlfriend. Just leave and just ghost her.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, it's. It's.

[John Ryan]

It was like, there has to be a balance. Like, there's also, he. He gives up Art completely because his sister gets pregnant. It's like, okay, I, I can understand, like, oh, no, now I gotta take care of her. I feel like I have to take care of her. But I don't think you have to completely change what you're doing. Like, obviously he was like, I can't support her on Art. But he doesn't have to never do Art ever again. Like, there, there needs to be balance. He has no balance. It's all or nothing. All the way around.

[Sarah Colonna]

It is all or nothing. He is frustrating. And I, we. We learn later that he's on anxiety medication. Very much towards the end, he tells her and, and he feels like he can't. He isn't going to be able to make someone happy or isn't enough. And then when his sister. When, when, when he leaves Fern out of nowhere again after they've been banging at the lake, having a nice time, they know he has a day that he has to go back to, quote, unquote, his real life, and they're not talking about it. However, the night of the big party that they're leading up to, she's going to tell him, look, I want to, like, let's make it work. Even when you leave, we'll figure it out. But instead, that morning, he bails on her because this is. His niece got sick, but he doesn't tell her why. I mean, real Dr. I mean, this guy's real dramatic. He bails on her because the niece is sick, doesn't tell her why, won't return any phone calls. Finally, she gets really pissed off because she goes back to his cabin, sees the drawing that proves that he was at the lake nine years ago and didn't approach her. And so then she starts calling him incessantly until he finally picks up. And then he's just like, sophia's sick and, oh, we shouldn't have been doing this, and we're. Time to stop playing pretend. It's like, so when, when. My point is when the, when the, when he does leave her and Fern's like, okay, moves on with her life after, he basically tells her, I don't want anything to do with you. And then she goes, fine, don't ever contact me again. She goes back to Toronto to clean out her apartment because she's going to move. You know, she's taking over the resort. And then Annabelle, the sister, comes knocking on the door and says, right, my boy. My brother's been moping around. And I found out it's because of you because your friend Whitney called and told him off, and apparently he's in love with you and you need to go. Here's our address. I'm not going to be home tonight. You need to go. You know, tell him that you love him and blah, blah, blah. And kind of is like, puts it off on her, right? It's all kind of weird. Like, she explains, look, my mom was this way. The way she explained. The way she describes her mom is an anxiety. The way she describes her mom to me was like manic depressive or bipolar. Kind of says the highs are high and the lows are low and she would disappear. So I thought she was going to get at that with Will. I thought she was going to say something. Not that anxiety is. I mean, anxiety is no joke too by. Of course. But I still need more than this guy has anxiety than to. For me to justify her chasing him down again. So that was my only beef, was like, I don't understand why Fern's chasing this guy around. Well, he told me never to contact you again. It's like, okay, well, you bailed on me twice and I still contacted you. So you could have come. You knew where I was. You could have come and said you screwed up. It just feels like she's just really chasing after this guy sometimes.

[John Ryan]

Well, I also hate that excuse. That's just the way he is. That's just the way we are. Then change. I can't stand that. I had a friend once, and he goes, he was late for everything every time. And we still go out with him and he's still freaking late for everything. Like, 45 minutes late. Shows up 45 minutes later. That's just the way I am. I'm like, I played pro football with you for six years and we have five meetings a day, and if you're late one minute, you find like ten grand. You were not late one time in six years, but that's just the way you are. Bullshit. So I hate that. Oh, that's just the way Will is. He takes off for a month at a time when things aren't going his way.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right? Yeah, it's annoying.

[John Ryan]

I hate that.

[Sarah Colonna]

I do, too. And I. And so I was, I, I wanted him to be more responsible for his actions. I wanted his. His sister even. I forget what she said, but she says something like, you know, I. I hope I can trust you. Or I, you know, she alludes to again, basically alludes to it being put on Fern to get this relationship back on track. And although when she shows up he's obviously happy to see her. She gives him a list of things. First she says, you need to forgive me. And I'm like, for what? She didn't do anything. But. But then she does have a list of don't do this again, don't do this again, apologize to me. And he's willing to. To do all that so as we know they end up together. But that was just my. I think that was my be. Only beef was. I just was. Was wondering why Fern had to run around. I mean, he ditched her the day of her big dance. And I know the daughter was sick, but if you, if you just told her, if you said, I gotta go, Sophia's sick or his. I mean, not daughter, but niece. My. My niece is sick. Please have the party tonight. Try not to stress. I'll be in touch. I'll let you know how she's doing at all times. And that's going to ruin her party way less than. You just bailed on her again like you did nine years ago. She's had a chip on her shoulder for since then.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I'd have a. I'd have a real problem with that. I don't know if I can forgive that. That might be beyond forgivable for me. I mean, if you go someone after two dates, okay. But if you're dating for a more than a month, you don't just ghost somebody.

[Sarah Colonna]

You don't even ghost anyone after two dates. We have a friend that.

[John Ryan]

Yes, I was gonna say.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, but they were debut. They were going out for like six weeks. Yeah. And this guy basically said to her on their last date, I don't want to date other people. I hope I, you know, I'm not. I'm telling. Telling you not to, but we're not dating other people. And she was like, I'm not dating anyone else either. And that was the last time she heard from him.

[John Ryan]

A week ago.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. I mean, what's wrong with you people?

[John Ryan]

That's. That's a major red flag.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's a major red flag. And you. And then you, you'll. Sir, I'm sure he'll resurface in a couple days. It's busy. No, I know that. Busy nobody.

[John Ryan]

We were trying to make. We were trying to make up excuses for like, oh, maybe it's a. If he was a doctor going to the surgery, I'm like, yeah, but doctors don't go to the bathroom. All it takes 2 minutes to.2 seconds to text someone, be like, hey, super busy, hope to see you soon. So I don't care how busy you are. And I know he listens to the show out. He's a listener. How dare you.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, how. How dare you. We don't dare you. We don't put up with that. And basically we were like, unless we find out this guy's dead, there's no excuse. And I'm sure he's not because he's actually. This is the second time. I hope he done this. Yeah.

[John Ryan]

I've never known.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know. But anyway, you guys, you get it. So if we are ready to tell someone not to speak to someone again after a six week thing where they decide to ghost, imagine he comes. Imagine how we'd feel about Will coming to this resort, wanting to help, weaseling his way back into her life, banging her real good for a few solid weeks and then disappearing and then using this excuse, oh, I couldn't contact you because you said never contact me again. It's. Well, of course she said that. She was pissed off at you, but you know how she feels about you, so you have. You can go back. I, I would have liked a little bit more of Will effort. I'm wondering if in the, in the, in the, the bonus chapter that we're going to read tomorrow on Patreon. I will. We're going to, as I mentioned earlier, I'm going to record myself and John and I'm going to read the chapter to him. We haven't read it yet. That way it's going to be a surprise as we read it. But it's a Will perspective chapter, so. Patreon, $5 a month. Super fun stuff. I, I'm hoping that we get something out of that chapter that gives me a little more. I mean, I like Will. I like him at the end. I like that he cares for her. I like that he got her pregnant because she. They seem happy about that. Yeah, I like all those things, but I don't know, I just want a little, little.

[John Ryan]

Want a little more effort by Will. And the forgiveness wasn't quite what it should have been.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right. A little more effort, Will. A little more Will on your Will.

[John Ryan]

Yes. What do you want to talk about now?

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay, well, what did you think of the overall perspective of having the mom, Maggie and her diaries play kind of a character in the book?

[John Ryan]

I really liked it because the whole book was kind of like a then and now and going back to the diaries as well. Right. So it's like Maggie's never in this book. She's only in this book through the memories of fearne and through her diary entries. And I really liked it. I think it really added a whole nother layer to the book.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

Get to know somebody and not only get to know her, but now you get to know why the protagonist is acting the way she is because of. Because of her mom and because of her past.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, exactly.

[John Ryan]

I thought it was really good. Yeah, I thought it was really, really good way to do it.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I liked that. I liked having, you know, it's like you learned more about Fern even through her mom. And I really. I really liked that we learned that the day that Will didn't show up that's haunted this girl for 10 years, was. When was that her mom came by and saw her sitting by the lake and was. And said, who? What's his name? Who are you waiting for? Kind of thing, and told her how it was his loss. And I thought that was a sweet thing to learn a little bit later on in the book about her mom, because she, you know, there was. There was. When she was reading the last. I think it was the last chapter that she read that she kind of saved and it. And she basically. Basically talks about how much she loves her daughter and. And Fern cries and says, you know how much my mom loved me. And Will says, well, of course she did. She's your mom. And she's like, well, I don't think she knew how much you loved her and. But she did. I mean, yeah, you kind of. Once you get to know Fern a little bit, you realize all her guilt is wrapped around not wanting to take this place over and telling her mom that and her mom not now being here to see her actually do it, because she knows it was her mom's dream. So I think she finally kind of comes to, I don't know, settle with all of that when she ends up taking the place over, doing her mom proud. Peter's proud. The roses are proud. I love the roses.

[John Ryan]

I love the roses.

[Sarah Colonna]

I love the roses. Yeah, they're the characters in the book. The roses are the characters in the book that I assume John and I will be one day. They're the couple that comes to the resort every summer, invites everyone over for gin martinis and ruffles, pours a heavy hands.

[John Ryan]

Reminds me of some of your dad and your stepmom's friends out at the desert. Palm Desert.

[Sarah Colonna]

I was actually gonna say the roses were. To me, they were the lake version of Kenny and Shirley.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, that was like, totally.

[Sarah Colonna]

My dad's best friend and his wife, who you go over to their House. This guy Kenny, my dad's best friend.

[John Ryan]

Oh, my God.

[Sarah Colonna]

He. When he. He loves to make a martini. He loves a kettle one martini with a twist.

[John Ryan]

He does not know how to make a martini.

[Sarah Colonna]

Tell him how he makes it. Tell him how he makes it.

[John Ryan]

So he takes a glass and he takes the. You know, takes the vodka out of the freezer, pours vodka in the glass, and then twists a little lemon on top of it. It's just vodka. Like there is nothing else. Twist.

[Sarah Colonna]

And for the most part, that's what a martini is. But you get a little whisper of vermouth maybe, but most people kind of measure it or, I don't know, shake it. Water, you know, something. Get it. He pours it right out and. And he doesn't have a small martini glass. It's almost like those. It's like those joke glasses that are like, oh, I can. I'm drinking one glass of wine. But then you can put the whole bottle in. That's what his martini glasses are like. So when you drink a martini with Kenny, you need the bag of ruffles. Actually, you need every. Usually they put out some cheez Its, by the way, don't they? Or goldfish or something.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Snack mix. That's really good. But you can't. You can't mess with them. He has two purple hearts, the guy, you know?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, he's.

[John Ryan]

He's tougher than you.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, yeah, he is tougher than me. I learned that the first time I drank one of his martinis and. And couldn't handle it. But anyway, here's my question.

[John Ryan]

If my mother or your mother died, which is going to be a lot of years before that happens, and you found their diary, would you read it? Oh.

[Sarah Colonna]

Gosh.

[John Ryan]

Like, here's without a doubt in the world. Absolutely. The f. Not. Oh, I would. I don't want it.

[Sarah Colonna]

I'm still thinking.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, no, I would. Like, I was. I was just thinking that when I was reading, like, there's absolutely no way I'd read even a single page of that. Maybe the day I. Porn or something.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay.

[John Ryan]

I don't know. I don't want to know anything.

[Sarah Colonna]

No, I. Yeah, you're right. I'm trying to figure out if that's the man versus woman thing about, you know, about which parent it is. Because I don't know. Maybe I could read my mom's diary and not be. But then you're right. I don't know. I don't know. I think I would want her to tell. I think I would want her to put in the will. Hey, if anyone finds my diaries, don't effing read them. I think that would be the best that's. Or if. Because I feel like Maggie kind of wanted them to. Didn't she kind of want them to read the other?

[John Ryan]

I think so. I don't know.

[Sarah Colonna]

I mean, at the end, Fern even thinks she would want Peter to read some of them because it explains more of how she feels about him and she thinks that Peter deserves to know. But Peter's like, I'm not reading her diaries. That's not my business. It's so funny. I love that you were immediately like, no way. And I'm like, I don't know, maybe. It depends. But yeah, I think just don't keep a diary.

[John Ryan]

No, eventually someone's going to read it. And that's, you know, that's what writing does. People read writing.

[Sarah Colonna]

People read writing. That's a new merch idea that we have, book listeners. I. Yeah, that's such a good question, though. I can't, because there's part of me that's like, oh, maybe you learn more about somebody. But a diary is really meant to be someone's private thoughts. It's not meant to be shared. Right. So, yeah, okay, fine. My answer is no, then I wouldn't read it. You're so. I feel so judged right now for thinking about it for a minute. I mean, what if I kept a diary and I died? Would you read it?

[John Ryan]

I don't know. I mean, from the time we got married, the time we got married until onward, but not before we started dating, went on. Well, your book was kind of a diary.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, no, it's true. I wouldn't want. I wouldn't want to read anything about from before I was around. If you had kept it diary, I wouldn't want to read about some dumb. So, yeah, we can.

[John Ryan]

I had a girl. I had a girlfriend a long time ago who found her mom's diary. And it was like, my husband's treating me like I can't stand him. Blah, blah, blah. Like, going off like, these kids are driving me crazy. Oh, no, they were like one page, like, oh, my God. It was like. Like, you know, like from, like 10 years prior, I was like, oh, my God, your mom still hates you guys.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, yeah. You know what? That's a really good reason not to, too. Because if you think about, like, everyone, you have a day that you're venting and you think you're just venting in a diary, and then someone reads it after you're gone, and they're like, oh, my God. Then they. And then they feel all this guilt for the. For how you reacted to them one day or. Or if it goes on for months, who knows? But, yeah, that's. Let's not read it.

[John Ryan]

That's like, what's the. The buried at first sight doctor. Doctor. You.

[Sarah Colonna]

Pastor, California Pastor Cal.

[John Ryan]

He said you have to be very careful when, like, bitching to your friends about your spouse or telling them about a fight. Like, not like, you just have to be careful, because if you, like, oh, Sarah did this and this and this, and then an hour later, you and I have made up, but that person's not gonna see me or vice versa for a week, and they're like, oh, I'm still pissed at you for what you did. And it was like, no, that's been resolved a week ago. You know what I mean?

[Sarah Colonna]

Right? Yeah. Yeah, that's very true. Because you want to be able to vent to people. You want to be able to share. You need someone to talk to. But if you. If you go too hard in the paint on it, you can. You can do some damage, and then it can make your next dinner party real awkward.

[John Ryan]

But we. We also have good friends that. I mean, I don't bitch to any of my friends about you because I don't have anything to. About baby. But I'm just saying, if you have really good friends, they understand.

[Sarah Colonna]

I thought you were gonna say, cause you don't have any friends.

[John Ryan]

How dare you.

[Sarah Colonna]

I'm just teasing.

[John Ryan]

I don't have a lot of friends. All the friends I have are from, like, 30 years ago.

[Sarah Colonna]

You have a lot of friends, and you have very good friends. I was. I was. I was being funny. Yeah. There was a couple things I like about Carly Fortune's writing. Just a couple little, like, jokes here and there. Like, she would. There was when. Before they started having sex, he came over and she. I don't know. She was getting ready really quick, and then she's like, oh, I can't answer the door. I just like my underwear on. And. And they say Monday and they have a. Or something. She's like, he can't see that. And she's like. And plus, it's Wednesday.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. She has little fun nights in there.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I like her writing. Here's a question that was coming up on the Internet that I was reading a little bit about instead. Can timing be more important in relationship than compatibility?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes, I think. I don't know if it could be more important But I think. I don't know if it could be more important than compatibility, but it can be a huge factor. Right? Because if you meet someone. Yeah, I just think if you meet someone at a certain time, I mean, for timing for us, you weren't living here and I wasn't living. You know, we were living in two different states. We were fortunate enough that we were able to make it work. Like, I had the freedom to be able to come visit you often because of what I do. And so there's certain things that made it. Like it wasn't a big deal, the timing to us or whatever. Meaning. I guess that would be more location, but still. But I guess, yeah. I don't know. What do you think?

[John Ryan]

I think they got the two things go kind of go hand in hand. I think a lot of people, if they say, I found the perfect person, it was just five years too early or five years too late or whatever. Then I think that you didn't find the perfect person. You didn't find your person if the timing is off. You know what I mean? Like, if you say, oh, I found this perfect person, but I just. I WISH it was 10 years from now. I'm like, well, that person is going to be totally different in 10 years.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right.

[John Ryan]

So will you be. So, you know, what you think might be the perfect person? It's not gonna be the perfect person in 10 years. So it's just like, if it's not your person, it's not your person. That's my opinion. I'm coming from a side of it where I found my person and, you know, and as you could. As you said, we could have been like, oh, it's bad timing where we live in a different. But we. We didn't. Because we knew it was the perfect person.

[Sarah Colonna]

So. Right.

[John Ryan]

Perfect person kind of comes at the perfect time, in my opinion.

[Sarah Colonna]

I agree with that. I agree with that. I do think if it doesn't. If. If it. What's meant for you will not pass you by or whatever they say.

[John Ryan]

There you go.

[Sarah Colonna]

But I think. Because I think if you say, of course there's different circumstances, but overall, if you say, oh, it's a great person, it's just like such bad timing. It's like, well, what's the bad timing? How bad is it?

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

If you're. If it's because. If it's because you're married to someone else. Okay, fair enough. Uh, yeah. Bad timing. And. And don't be a dirtbag. But. But if it's that you. Sometimes I Guess I just, that just sounds like an excuse not to put the effort into it. Does that make sense? Like, sometimes it sounds like people are using that as an excuse to be, to not put the effort or to not go the extra mile to make it work with that person at that time. Because he can't. If you just go, oh, well, whatever. If he meets me at the lake in a year, I guess it's on. And if he doesn't, I'm going to be pissed off about it for 10 years. I can't stop. She's real. She's got a real chip on her shoulder. Can't stop referencing that because that was part of one part of the book where I'm like, this girl's really got to be in her bonnet about Will and, and I. And then, and, oh, and then even at one point, her best friend Whitney and her talking, and when she falls back, when Will comes back and they start banging, and then they have. Why do I keep say banging? But they have sex and, and then they, her and her husband and Will and Fern have dinner and he makes a cheese board and he makes risotto and charms the pants off everybody. And Whitney kind of lays into him. She gets a couple drinks in her because she hasn't drank since her baby was born. And she basically says, what's your intentions? And, or, what are you guys going to do after this? After this? After you have to go back Sunday and. Because I don't want to have to pick my friend off the floor again like I did last time. I'm like, you had to pick her off the floor because a guy that she met one year ago for 24 hours didn't come to the lake.

[John Ryan]

I, I, I, I hate the best friends in books. They're in real life, too, when they're like, if you hurt her, I'm gonna kill you. So if we don't get married, live happily ever after the next 40 years, someone's going to hurt someone. We'll probably hurt each other. So you're going to kill me?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

It's the real world, sweetheart. Put on your girl, big girl panties. But she, she turned into that friend, and I hate it.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know. I mean, I appreciate the passion. It just, again, it just was a little, it was just a little dramatic. If I'm, if I'm. Well, I would have been like, wait, did you pick you up off the floor? Just because I didn't show up one day, by the way, I did. And so let's talk about that. Him. Not so There's. These are the frustrating things about Will, a. That Fearne's chasing him. So that's the most frustrating thing about Fearne. You know, at the end of the book, at first you think, okay, good. She's just. I mean, you know, they're going to end up together because that's what the book Summer read is. But it just. When she first is going back to Toronto and packing up, I'm hoping he's going to come back to the resort and be like, I'm an idiot. Here's why. Yeah, right. And instead the sister has to come over and put it off on her to take care of. She could have said to Will, go to the. Go to the resort and get her. And she's like, he told me, you know, I'm supposed to not to. Because we have to respect your. What, Your boundaries that you put up. But anyway, she gets her. She decides the best thing to do is send her. Okay. But Will is. It's, you know, he's taking these phone calls at the resort. He's really good around a baby and help stops that. Her. Whitney's baby from crying and all this stuff. And.

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

And then Fern kind of panics and is like, is that, like, why are you so good around babies? And.

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

Just experience. But just. How hard is it to say you have a niece and a sister? How hard is it to say I have a niece?

[John Ryan]

You don't beat around the bush, stuff like that.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, it just took him. It just. He acted like it was some. He acted weird about it. He acted like he acted. At one point he says, I know it's not the most appealing thing to know that a man wants to live with his sister and his niece, but these are my family. And she's like, I'm good. It's fine. But. Because you eventually know that they're all going to move on and figure something out. But it just. I just. I don't understand why it's so hard for this guy to just say so. I have. Oh, hey, it's so great to see you again, Fern. Sometimes I have to take phone calls because I have a niece that I'm. That I'm basically a father to right now because my sister had a baby young, and I kind of took the role of very responsible uncle. And I mean, just. What are we doing, Will?

[John Ryan]

Yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird secret to try to be keeping.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

A lot. A lot of people have sisters. A lot of sisters, and a lot of them have kids.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Imagine you tried to keep your nine.

[John Ryan]

Nine of my sisters. Twelve. Twelve.

[Sarah Colonna]

Twelve nieces and nephews for me. Imagine.

[John Ryan]

For no reason whatsoever.

[Sarah Colonna]

Just for no reason. I believe you're 12. I mean, he told me right away, by the way. He warned me up front. Up front. That's the way to do it, is you go, listen, you and I do this thing. You come back to Saskatchewan, there's 12 nieces and nephews running right at you.

[John Ryan]

At the time, that was 12 years ago, too. They were like, the oldest one was only seven.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And so there were only. And there were probably only 10 at the time.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. That's how there we went.

[Sarah Colonna]

Nine or 10.

[John Ryan]

Wasn't the full collection yet.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. I thought for sure everyone was done. And then one day, Joe's going pregnant, so. No, it's awesome. Yeah. I mean that I love your nieces and nephews, and you know that. But that's what I mean is that's just letting people know your family and even though this guy's guarded and weird and. But I just feel like he. I feel like once they were in the. In the place they were in at the lake and really seeing each other all the time and. And sleeping together regularly and having dinners together and waking up and watching TV and ordering from the restaurant, eating fish and chips in their underwear and watching Frasier reruns, this guy could have mentioned a little more about his life so that he didn't have to go skedaddling off. But I guess that would have been a different book.

[John Ryan]

I guess so. But it is frust. It was a frustrating part of the book. I was frustrated for a while how she kept on, like, alluding to this huge mistake she made as a teen, but she wouldn't say what it was.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

And then eventually find out it was the fire in the. The cottage. But she was, like, alluding to it over and over again. I was like, what. What the do you do?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, just say it. We don't want to like someone on fire. Yeah. And then I guess. I guess the. I guess Carly fortune wanted us to have her reveal it to Will, which I did. Like that. That's how we learned about. Is she reveals it to Will, who she barely knows. And which is an easy. Easier to reveal something to someone that you don't know that well. I guess. But that part of it I kind of liked. But I. More than that, I was like, I want to hear more about when she got drunk and stole the tractor.

[John Ryan]

That sounds fun.

[Sarah Colonna]

I want that story.

[John Ryan]

I might do that tonight.

[Sarah Colonna]

But but overall, I loved it. That's the. When you get passionate about it, it's just because you like it. Would I change the book? No. Would I have liked for him to come running back to her? I don't know. A little bit Notebook style. Oh, I know. I'm trying to remember. Or on the pier when they start making out and running at each other. Who ran? Yeah. Such a good scene. Anyway, I would have liked Will to. Will to. I would have liked for her not to have to always for chasing him. The find out why he left and then. And then his sister come and then she had to go. Like, if the sister never came, would Will just have let. Let the whole thing go? I guess so.

[John Ryan]

I know, but Will's the one that came back to the. The cottages after 10 years.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes, that's true. Okay. All right. Devil's Advocate. I like it. Yeah. Listen, it's a great book. I enjoyed every page.

[John Ryan]

Good.

[Sarah Colonna]

It was a good journey. I think it was a great pick, John.

[John Ryan]

Thank you.

[Sarah Colonna]

Really great pick. I really enjoyed it. And I'm. I. I think we had read something else by Carly Fortune. This summer will be different. Yeah, we read that. It was on. Are you my podcast? When. If you guys are. Are you my podcast listeners? John, the way this all started was he was doing summer reading lists for us. And then I said, you got to start the book podcast. And he's like, well, you got to do it with me. And I was like, fine. And so here we are. And that was good, too. So I really like her. We will read more by her, I'm sure, at some point here, but also encourage everyone to read more by her. Our next book for August is very different than this.

[John Ryan]

The real 180 people. That's why you're here, though.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's why you're here. And it's called Sometimes I Lie by Alice Feeney. And it's a roller coaster. I will say that I'm going to.

[John Ryan]

Start reading it tonight.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's effed up. I again tomorrow. Will, you can watch on Patreon while I read the bonus chapter from Carly Fortunes Meet Me at the Lake to John. And the short story for Patreon next month is. Will be announced on Patreon by the time you've heard this, so it'll be posted on there. Thank you guys so much for listening. We love you. This has been really fun. Any other thoughts? Closing thoughts on Meet Me at the Lake, John.

[John Ryan]

Yes. My final ranking. My final rating. All right, 10. 10 out of 12 beers.

[Sarah Colonna]

10 out of 12? Yeah, I thought you'd give her 12 out of 12.

[John Ryan]

Well, I just. I can't give anyone a 12 out of 12 unless your first name is Ellen.

[Sarah Colonna]

I see. I see.

[John Ryan]

Everyone's really working out of an 11 scale other than Ellen, the brand.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay, okay, fair enough. How many? What do I do? Five martinis.

[John Ryan]

You do martinis? Yeah. Out of five.

[Sarah Colonna]

Martini. I do it out of five. I'm gonna give four and a half. Out of five.

[John Ryan]

Nice.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I would. I would drink. I mean, if they were Kenny's martinis. I only give it one because that's all I could finish. But, no, I'm gonna give it four and a half. I Only because I wanted a little more responsibility from Will, a little more understanding of other than his anxiety of why he, like, left her there and didn't think he was enough. But I get it. It's a big thing to carry with you. And so I think at the end of the day, she did explain him well enough for me to get back to being happy and rooting for them at the end.

[John Ryan]

Yes.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay. Well, that's it, guys. We will see you next week.

[John Ryan]

Bye.

[Sarah Colonna]

The book lisp.

[John Ryan]

The book lisp.

[Sarah Colonna]

The book list.

[John Ryan]

The book lisp.

[Sarah Colonna]

The book lisp.