
It’s week 4 of your December Book Lisp and time for the full discussion of “On a Quiet Street” by Seraphina Nova Glass. We LOVED this book and all the twists and turns. Sarah wonders if Paige had to do ALL of the things she did. Jon has big opinions about marriage, divorce, and Finn being the ultimate a-hole. You’re going to love all the thoughts & questions we bring up.
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Hi, I'm Sarah Colonna.
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And I'm John Ryan.
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And you're listening to the Book List. The Book List.
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The Book Lisp.
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Oh, that's right. You're listening to the Book Lisp. Hello and welcome to the Book Lisp with John Ryan and Sarah Colonna. Hi, John.
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Hey, girl. You ready for this? And waiting all month.
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I know, I know. John has been, like, chomping at the book. At the book. At the bit to discuss this book in full. As you know, we don't do full discussion of the book until week four. And we are finally at week four of your December book, Lisp on a Quiet street by Seraphina Nova Glass. My pick that I am very proud of.
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It was a good pick. It was. It was a great first pick.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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Five stars.
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Thank you. And I feel like most of the people I've seen in the Book, listeners, our Facebook group, which you should join, and most of the people on Instagram at the Book List have very much enjoyed this. They enjoyed, obviously, 28 summers too. And if you want to watch the video of this podcast, it is available on Patreon exclusively. It's only $5 a month. And then last year we. Last month we did a little bonus with the Sixth Wedding by Ellen Hildebrand that was on there, a quick short book. And we're going to get some more recommendations on those for you guys to also add to Patreon. All the links for that stuff is on our Instagram. Right, John?
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Absolutely.
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And also, I guess that's it. Am I done?
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Yeah.
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Telling things. Okay. So we can dive into the book. This is. She's now one of my favorite authors. Not just because she responded on Instagram to me. And I kind of hope she listens to this because we have some questions that we brought up last. Last week that. About the fact that it was written with Paige being in the third person and Kora and Geor, Georgia slash. Nicola. Nicola.
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I was just gonna ask if it's.
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Nicola or Nicola, not Nicula. That's not. That's definitely not that Nicula. It's. It's either.
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I like Nicula. It's either Nicola.
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Nicola or Nicola. I feel like Nicola is right.
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That what I said. Nicula.
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It's Nicola. You're saying Nicula like Niku, like Dracula, but Nicula. Yeah, I think it's because it's an O. Nicola.
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Nicola.
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This is like. How do you say that one? What's. Oh, how do you say Heidi?
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Tiy. No, you're acting very highy. Tighty.
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One time you said one of our. One of our friends. Oh, you're acting so heidy tighty. And she was like, what the is that? What?
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Whenever. Because I up a lot of like sayings and stuff and whenever I mess it up, I'm just like, well, I'm Canadian. We don't say it the same. And then all my Canadians are like, no, that's not. That's not how we say in Canada either. But like in your own head.
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Yeah, Heidi's idea is for sure your own thing. But what's the one? Oh, Iowa.
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Iowa.
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Iowa.
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Iowa. Say it again.
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Iowa.
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Iowa. It sounds exactly the same now. Iowa.
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Iowa.
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Iowa.
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It's like you're adding like a wah at the end.
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It sounds exactly the same in my ear when you say it as I say it.
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It sounds like the Wawa. The place in. It's like an east coast place where you get delicious sandwiches and groceries. Yeah, they have big nice subs there. Or hoagies as they call them. I know how you guys talk. I got this.
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Subs.
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Yeah, I like a hoagie. What was. Where was that? Where'd that come from?
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Don't know.
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Oh, Nicola.
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Nicola.
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So I didn't want to say her name. Yeah, I didn't want to say her name other than as Georgia leading up to this because you don't find out her real name until later on in the second half. Second half. I didn't know how far you guys were, but Georgia slash Nicola, I mean, what a.
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What a. What a dirt bag Lucas is like. Wouldn't you let her have her own name?
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I know.
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This guy is the fucking worst.
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All right, watch the F bombs.
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Sorry.
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He's. Would you say he's almost. What?
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I can't believe he scolded me for having F bombs.
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I just don't have too many. I wanna. I don't want to upset anyone.
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Well, my count was low, but I have a special hatred for Lucas.
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I know, I know. He's hard not to curse about because we start the book with learning that Paige's son passed away and that she. No, no, it was a hit and run. Nobody ever found out who did it. And she's on a vengeance. On a mission for vengeance for her son, wanting to find out who it is. She thinks the cops are lazy. She's pissed off at everybody. I mentioned that she threw the newspaper at the kid.
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It was a hit and run. Basically inside the gated community. So she thinks one of the neighbors does it. So she becomes like a spy. Against all the. All the neighbors.
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Yes. She's like you, a spy. When you admitted a couple of weeks ago that you'd paid money to find.
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Out what our neighbors is more like my nana. We talked about that. She. She was a spy of the neighborhood.
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Oh yeah. If you didn't listen to the non reviews, then you should be because there. Those episodes leading up to this are also very funny. Learned a lot about John Zana spying on people. Mrs. Kravitz, but Canadian version. Yeah, but we. So we learned that. And we learn that Cora has trust issues with her dirtbag husband Finn. And then we also learned that at the time you think Georgia is a recluse, that something happened to her. And of course I didn't see it coming. What the deal was at all. You find out kind of early on. But I assumed when they kept saying she doesn't like to talk to people. She's basically agoraphobic at this point. Lucas tells all the neighbors and whatnot that not to visit her. But Cora keeps.
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She's says Lucas tells everyone she's mentally unstable and if she ever like gets out or anything, like report her back because you need. She's like a mess. She believes that should be in a psych ward. Basically.
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Yes. And that something happened to her to make her that way. And then. And so even this is one thing I love about the way this is written. Right. So from her point of view, she talks about, oh, I can't. I can't walk past the basement without smelling the wet mop smell and this and that. And so you think, oh God, she was trapped somewhere. She was kidnapped. Obviously something terrible happened to her. Then we find out that it's the husband's.
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Yes.
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That she's a victim of his. Of severe abuse. That he.
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Grooming. A lot of grooming.
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Yeah.
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Basically changed her name on her, but because he wanted to make it sound more American, I think he said.
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Yeah, something like that.
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But it's really just so no one will act. None of her family could find her. Yes, he found her like she was working at like a resort somewhere. Like a high end resort in the Mayan or something. Yeah, something like that. I forget somewhere. And that's how they met. And then he like slowly groomed her. He brought her back, changed her, basically. I mean literally. Literally and figuratively. Change her to the radio, basically.
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Yeah. He took her passport, closed her bank accounts. She had no access to do anything. And they have a baby together. Well, they thought so they. So he thought. And so she had. She Felt there was no way out. The one thing that is interesting to me is there's Cora. Who is she? She's kind of like the mayor of the neighborhood, at least in her mind. Right. She. She's definitely the lady at the PTA meetings. She definitely is baking stuff. She even says charity events.
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Does the whole.
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Yeah. She says she has a book list. She says she has a book club with a waiting list, which. Same Z. Not really, but she is so. She. She is so well liked in this neighborhood. She cannot believe that this one woman at the time, Georgia, we think her name is, wants nothing to do with her. She can't deal with it. And so she goes over there with her brown Betty desserts, and Georgia just feels trapped by it. She can't.
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She.
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She has no. She's. There's nowhere to go. She can't go away from her. So she just basically welcomes her and. As best she can. Yeah. And eats her dessert. And then. Remember the one. The one episode, the one chapter. Oh, by the way, I did read that this is going to be a limited series.
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Oh, really?
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Yeah, it was pick up the same.
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People or like another street.
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I know. It's going to be this. It's going to be this book. It's going to be a limited series, and I would like.
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Sorry, I thought you mean like a book series.
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No, no, no. A TV series. And I would like to be in it. If any producers of that series are listening. I did see that it was on deadline, like, 11 months. They may have already cast it. Nobody asked me, but I'd like to be in it. I think I'd make a great page.
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That's what I was gonna say.
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Yeah, I would definitely like to be. There was one. One scene in the book where she talks about how she berated some parents at Applebee's for not controlling their child. And I was like, I could play. I mean, yes, I could play her.
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I like to play Grant. Seems like anyone loves Grant.
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Yeah, Grant's a good guy. He's the guy at the restaurant. He's. He only has one little slip up, but it's not. You can't blame him.
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They were separated.
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Yeah, separated. And also he was being always pushed away. So he. And he. And. Well, something just fell over. Just so you guys know, in our house, it was probably a Christmas tree.
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Probably a number of cats and. Or a Christmas tree and.
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Or a Christmas tree. Yeah, he was the nice guy, Grant, but he had the one little slip up there where he and Kora. But you don't blame. They're not. It's not a slip up.
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They were separated.
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Yeah, they were separated. And she'd already. Paige had already banged Finn. Finn.
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In the bathroom at a charity event.
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Yeah.
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It's uncalled for, in my opinion, but it was.
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Well, that's one thing I want to talk to you about. Do you feel like. Because once you find out Paige's motivation, Right.
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And now that she suspects that Finn killed her son.
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Right. And we don't know that at first, we think she's just like, I'm. I'll help you find out if he's cheating on you. Because she hates everybody at this point in her life.
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Sephora is basically like, we'll pay her if she figures out that her husband's cheating.
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Right. And if she gets evidence and she even says, maybe I'll come on to him. And if he. If he's into it, I'll tell you. And. But I won't let it go that far. But then.
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So do you think there was ever Because. Because she's trying to find on him. Because she thought that he killed her son.
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Right.
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But do you think she took it too far in terms of being. Trying to get too close to him? Because I didn't.
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See.
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Sometimes I didn't understand the point of getting that close to him. When it comes down to she wants to get all the information she can. In the end, the most information she gets is off his laptop, which she just breaks into their garage and steals.
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Right.
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So I don't feel like she had to sleep with him to get that laptop.
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No, no, she got it. Or she got it from his. She stole something from his garage. But also, remember, she went to his work.
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Oh, right, right, right.
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And got his laptop, I think got his laptop there. But she looked in the garage. She's broken into a few garages in this neighborhood. But yes, I think. And I would imagine most people feel she didn't actually have to sleep with him ever, but I think she was just. And now that we're talking about this, maybe this is why she was written in third person instead of first, because we couldn't know her motivation for everything. Right. It's almost like it had to be about her in some way. Because if she was. If she was telling everything in first person, then it's almost as if she would have had to reveal everything up front.
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Oh, that's pretty good. I think you nailed it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Because then she would have to say, like, yeah, I think so.
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To say, I'm going to Find out what Finn did. You know, it almost would have. You would have had to. You would have been more in her head, which I think is what we read last week, kind of. But it. But it sounded too smart the way they said it. And now that I'm saying it, it. Actually, I'm saying it my way.
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Yeah.
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I'm just using their. But that makes sense, because you would have had to have kind of known. Whereas this is more. We don't know. When she goes to the bar and he says, damn. And she.
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Damn.
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Damn. I know everything about this guy.
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Grown man says, damn. You're.
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Damn.
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You're not getting a lot of sex.
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No. Well, he was, unfortunately.
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Apparently, he was.
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But he did have to pay for it most of the time, it seems. Yeah, but because, of course, you're wondering, why didn't she. When she. When we don't know yet. What, that she believes that Finn is responsible for killing her son. So we don't know that. When she doesn't tell. Go immediately to Kora with the photos of the hooker and all this stuff, and she goes so far as to bang him in the bathroom at the charity event. You're going, what? Okay, she's just unhinged.
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So. But then you're in. When you're. Watch. When you're reading it in real time, you're thinking, like, well, she's actually, like, falling for this guy.
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Right. I just thought. Thought she was unhinged.
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Okay.
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But I. I'm sure some people thought that.
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I thought she was kind of falling for him because. Why wouldn't you just take the information right away unless you want to keep this going with him? That's how I felt.
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Yeah. I think. I never felt she was following. Falling for him personally. So I'm curious. What if other readers did? Because I'm sure they did. I just thought she was so unhinged.
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Yeah.
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And that when he kind of rejected her at first, she was like, oh, f you. You're not rejecting me. And she was just on a crazy mission because she was so unhinged. I mean, throwing papers at people.
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Right.
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She's. She's a problem in the town. The cops always have to come over, you know, because she's always yelling at somebody and because she's pissed off about losing her son, which we all understand. That's why she's sympathetic in most ways. But I did. I didn't like that she had to sleep, that she ended up sleeping with him.
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I. No, she didn't need to.
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No, it felt.
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And then she Never tells Kora this. K. Never knows that they. I don't want to jump ahead. Do you think anything would have been different, Juad? Anything would have been different at the end? Like, in terms of they were helping each other, all the women were helping each other at the end. Do you think it would have been any different if. Had Cora. No. Even though Cora, she was done with her husband, she was like, I'm. I don't care about you anymore. Like. Like, I'm gonna get you out of jail, because that's what's right to do, but I don't care about you.
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And it was. I loved how. How much she just hated him towards.
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Yeah.
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I loved how she. When she went to pick him up at the police station, because as we all know from reading it, Paige was wrong. But she had a lot of evidence that meant he was somehow. She was involved. He was involved with Paige's son. But it turns out it was just because Paige's son was also a drug dealer and Finn needed cocaine for some of his hooker friends.
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Oh, Finn's a winner.
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He's a real winner.
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Finn's a winner.
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And I love how when she just. Because she basically, as we were talking about last week, the. The cheating thing, which. She's suspicious of him and causes a scene at a restaurant, and he goes, this is just a business thing, and you ruined it. And he makes her feel crazy. And then you find out she was right all along. All along, of course. And he was just gaslighting her. And it was worse than you even think. It was like.
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Like prostitutes.
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Yeah. Just left and right. Just always banging somebody. And then he doesn't even seem to have any regrets about it. And he's kind of. He tries to be mean to her because he thinks it's gonna work. And then finally she's like, I. I actually hate you.
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Yeah.
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When she. She's like. When she picks up the police station, she basically goes, just. She just wants to yell, you can keep him. And she's laughing in her head. I mean, she's just. She's just like, I'm so over this guy.
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She's like, where are you taking me? Like, they thought. She thought. They're just going back home. Where are you taking me? I'm taking. To your loser divorced friend's house. I heard you guys like to go to the clubs. Guys are over 30 years old. They still go to clubs.
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Yeah.
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And pathetic pieces.
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And then she didn't. And then she ended up kicking him out of the car right. Right in the middle of the street, basically. Yeah.
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Yeah. Because you got the call that. Because Lucas had gotten out of jail.
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Yeah, because he tells her Lucas got out of jail. So we're jumping around here, but you guys all know the story. So because Lucas had been busted, she pay. Because he records everything in the house. Paige snuck in, got the evidence of a little. Oh, no, it was that Paige had dropped a recorder in his briefcase a long time ago because she suspected him too.
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She's bugged everyone in the community.
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She did. She's like the person I was talking about last week that bugged. Bugged and found out someone was cheating. But. So she. She breaks into the house while she's on FaceTime. This is all after they find out what. What Nicola and who she really is and what Lucas has done to her. So they decide they can get the evidence. She's like, oh, I bugged his briefcase a long time ago. There's probably recordings of him verbally abusing you.
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We have 192 hours recording on there, so.
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And I love. I actually really love that scene. I loved and. And seeing this as a series will be fun because I loved just her sneaking in and being AirPods on FaceTime. Them talking to her. Her get. And then my heart just dropped when she got busted. But she got out of there anyway. But I. I enjoy. I enjoyed that. I loved when they all banded together and started helping each other. Even though if you really broke down the relationships between all of them, it's a hot mess.
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Well, it's interesting. It's interesting that it's like at the end, you're like, these three women will help each other no matter what, but it's kind of like women will, like in a bad situation will help women no matter what. And then you look at it because they all screwed each other around really hard.
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Yeah.
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I mean, one of them killed the other one's son and now she has that her child is the grandmother of that son.
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Yes.
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The grandchild of that. You know, I'm saying. I'm trying to say. Yes, the other one. They basically swapped husbands without them knowing it.
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Yeah.
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There's. Everyone has screwed everyone around, but the end of the day, they all have each other's back. Like the point where they all could go to prison for what they're doing.
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Yes.
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Like, they're basically blackmailing someone to go to prison for the rest of their life because he's abusive. Which. Very abusive. Kidnapper, Everything it's good.
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But it's like, physically like he deserved to take the fall for this, in my opinion. I'm glad. So. Because what we find out is that Nicola had been seeing Paige's son Caleb. And when she first moved there, when she was being groomed, she was let out into the community. Only the only little tiny hole to me in that story was that Cora had said how she never met her. Right. Except when she goes over to the house.
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Right.
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But there was this period when she was as she was Georgia, that she was going out, she was taking pilates, having a little bit of a normal life, was free, quote, unquote, to go. She. She was sl. Things were slowly being taken away from her. And she didn't know it by Grant, but she was. By Lucas, but she was going places and whatnot. So I was like, oh, I wonder how. Why Cora and her never interacted in the first few months that she was there.
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Right. I mean, I guess you could just argue that, like, you know, it's not always normal that neighbors automatically interact. Just like. I mean, right.
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Like us, we get out of the.
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House every once in a while, but we don't. We've never really, really interacted into the level that we'd be friends with any of our neighbors.
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Right, Right. Good point. Because. But so during that time, Georgia slash Nicola had struck up a friendship with Caleb because she was starting to feel that something wasn't right. And then they had an affair. And the big twist, other than there's a lot of twists in this, but the biggest one that I didn't see coming at all was that the baby was his. Therefore pages, Grant's granddaughter, Avery.
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It's one of those things that you can see it coming, like, about three or four pages before you're like, oh, let's go.
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Yeah.
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Like, you can see it coming right at the very end, but you not, like, didn't see it coming before.
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Yeah. And because. And because it is written from her perspective, she. She never. She never spills to the reader that she was the one that did it. It's just. You can. You can tell that she's. She's getting panicked about certain things or asking questions, but obviously it can't be revealed. So when she reveals to Cora, and this is after, of course, they all know what has been happening to Nicola and that Luke is abusive and he's taking everything away and they're trying to figure out how to save her and help her and hide her from him in the back house. And Finn's in jail for hitting Caleb even though he didn't do it. That was one thing. Was that when they. At the very beginning, pretty much they say that Paige and. And not Paige, Cora and Finn's daughter had hit a pole in a parking lot.
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Trader Joe's parking lot.
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Yeah, I've. Which, by the way, Traders Joe's. Trader Joe's.
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I can see how you hit a pull on a Trader's parking lot.
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I'd hit 10 people to get out of there. I mean, I'd be. Yeah, I just mow them down.
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Just get out of there around Christmas or Thanksgiving.
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Oh, you know, it doesn't here in California. Doesn't have to be. I don't know what it's like in other states, but it doesn't have to be Christmas or Thanksgiving for it to be just. Yeah. Why are they like that?
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Because I think they have, like a. This big grocery store and they have enough partying for like, 20 cars.
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Right.
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And there's 50 cars worth of people inside. So he'll just circle a lot. Then you see some with the shopping cart, and they stop, wait for someone in the shopping cart to come unload the groceries. Well, there's. Now there's 20 people behind them. Are wrapping around.
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That's why I need for this. That's why I don't go.
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I. I literally stopped going.
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Yeah. Everyone tells me, well, oh, you don't get this from Trader Joe's. I go, no, I can't take the parking lot. I'm too angry. I'd be just ramming people left and right.
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Yeah.
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You get calls from the police anyway when they said that there was a parking lot incident, but I thought for sure that car was somehow going to be involved. So I like all the curveballs she throws, because it wasn't. She really did hit it. And then even later, when it turns out Finn was involved and Paige goes, don't you think Finn paid off Mia to take the thing and, you know, to. To. To cover for his own daughter, to cover for him. Because really, she hit a poll and she really did. So then I. Because I kind of thought Paige had solved the. The whole story, and she didn't. She was real, real wrong. She did expose Finn for being a. A cheater and a dirt bag. And the reason that she recognized him saying damn, and the reason that her heart fluttered when she saw the baseball cap is because she had heard him arguing with Caleb before. So she thought he argued with Caleb about Caleb seeing him get a BJ in a car, because apparently Caleb saw that, too, and then ran over him is basically what she. And it sounded like.
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And she heard him say, damn. Yeah, the same time that she heard that the bar. Then she's like, oh, that was the same dm.
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Yeah. And when you hear what I like is when you. She walks into the bar and he says that. And she says she sees the hat. There's no indication that she's leading this. She's, you know, remembering back to a fight. But it does.
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You piece together as a reader later.
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Yeah, well. And she tells it later when she tells Cora, she goes, I walked in the bar, he said this. I remembered this fight. I remembered seeing a guy walk away with that same baseball cap. So she put together.
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I guess that's where I pieced it together when she told me.
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Well, that's why it was good. It was in first person for her to tell you or. No, that was in third person, I guess, her telling Cora anyway. But she. She gets all this information and thinks it's him. Turns out that Nicola was having an affair with Caleb and that Caleb was very strung out. He was getting desperate for money. He had a drug problem. Paige had no idea. And so one night she's driving home, he is high as a kite, jumps out in front of her, starts telling her he wants to talk to her. He'd been getting her to steal things from Lucas, leading her for money. Because he threatened to say, Avery is my baby. He threatened to expose that he was the father of Nicholas child, George's child. To him, what he didn't know and was that by threatening that he was actually putting her life truly on the line. So it. If it's anyone else, you go, oh, well, whatever. If he was going to tell the truth, I guess my marriage would blow up, up, blah, blah, blah. Instead she's like, no, he'll actually kill me. The only reason I'm still alive is because I have a baby with him. And he traps me in the basement. Otherwise bugs the house. I can't leave all the things. So he didn't know all that. He's threatening her. So he has no idea. And he's waving a gun around. And this is where I have a real question for you. So he's waving a gun around. And this is what we hear at the very beginning, right? He hears that Caleb just wants to talk. He hears. It's written from his perspective to first person. He wants to talk. He hears a gunshot. Gunshot. Where does the gunshot come from? Not realizing it. From himself. His own gunshot. And then you. And you hear him die, right? Or he dies. And then later when Nicola talks about it, she says that he encountered her, started waving the gun around and. And then he actually fired it. She didn't think he would. She said he was so high he missed by a mile. But next thing you know, he has it pointing at her head, threatening her, saying, just, you got to give me some money. I need some money. So she just takes off and it. And it. And hits him. And she thinks it's not going to kill him, but it does. And so she's had to live with this secret and she reveals it to Cora, who then. And then Paige overhears the whole thing and that's how she finds out what really happened. And because Avery's her grandbaby and because she knows what Nicola has been through by firsthand now because she's even heard the recordings herself, she. She forget, like, not forgives her, but.
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Kind of looks past it in a way.
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Yeah. Like almost a little too quickly for someone who was so.
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Yeah.
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Full of vengeance.
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Yeah, true. But what a crazy situation she's in. She's like, okay, now I discovered that my dead son, who wasn't as great a person as I thought he was, even though in her eyes, I'm sure he still didn't realize he's basically the town drug dealer dealing all these drugs. And now he's gone. But now I have his grandson Avery, that I'm just discovering.
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I have granddaughter.
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Granddaughter. Sorry, granddaughter. Avery with this woman who killed my son. Yeah, it just got a lot.
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Who was truly doing it in self defense, but she. Yeah, she took it very understanding. For as unhinged as Paige was, this whole book, that was the only moment where I thought she. She basically says it was you. And then they. They. They don't really move on, but they do. I mean, for the most part, Cora just decides that this plan, you can. We can set up Lucas. Because the car that belongs to Lucas and Nicola was in the video that. That Cora's daughter Mia had from that night. Because Cora's dot. Cora's daughter Mia did see the whole thing that night. Which another was that because she was really good friends with him and she really liked him and she was out on a date, but they were doing drugs. So when they saw him get hit and someone drive off, they got out of the car and then the boyfriend that she was with panicked and said, we got to get out of here. But he took a video. Yeah. Yeah.
B
Also real quick, Korra, in this book, she's real innocent when she said, mom, we had pills. What pills? Molly. She's like, who's Molly? And Then. And then when Finn's talking to her about cocaine, she's like, you guys are out shooting cocaine?
A
Yeah.
B
She's like, you snort cocaine? Like, just like that. They put it all off to be, like, the most innocent. Like, who's Molly?
A
I know I do. I really love Cor's character, especially. I like her arc.
B
I think that'd be my mom.
A
Yeah. Molly Ho. Who?
B
Molly.
A
She. Yeah. I like her character. I like how she blossoms and goes to play piano at the bar and at the restaurant that Paige and Grant own. I honestly kind of hoped that they would get together.
B
Yeah. And, like, at the end, because they. They kind of start, like, she. He makes her feel, like, good, makes us feel seen, and hires her to do the piano. And she's there. You know, they're at their nice Italian restaurant. Feels kind of romantic.
A
They sounded like a fun place. I want to go there. Piano bar and red and white checkered tablecloths.
B
You know, we always talk about books. Like, the last one, the Nantuck. We're like, now we want to go visit Nantucket. This one did not make me want to go and visit the Oregon coast.
A
No, I want to go.
B
I want to go to this bar. I want to go to this Italian bar. It sounds real nice.
A
Yeah. No, I don't want to visit this street. Think bad things happen.
B
They. She starts to kind of fall in love with them.
A
Yes.
B
Which is another thing that I don't think she ever tells Paige.
A
No. And I think. So that was the one thing where you kind of realized that both. Both the women kept that from each other. So Paige didn't tell her. In my findings, I also banged Finn in the bathroom at your charity event because she probably realized that one was a little unnecessary.
B
So I tell her my undercover investigation. Too far on that one.
A
Might leave that part out. And Cora never admits that she. Because they did kiss.
B
Yes. She was. She openly was falling in love with him. And when she sees him at the end moving back into the house with Paige, she says, I quote, I could. I could have run away with him if things were different. Unquote.
A
I know. And then when Paige and Grant get back together at the end, I. I'm kind of like, I almost wanted him for it.
B
I know. But I'm glad they got back together, because I feel like. And I've seen this in real life a lot, where you have a child that goes through an illness or it gets killed, and it drives the couple or the family apart.
A
Yeah.
B
And I think that's obviously what Happened here. Paige became obsessed with finding the killer, getting vengeance on for her son. And they just drove the couple apart.
A
Right.
B
There was never a thing where it's like, oh, he cheated on me or whatever. I mean, Paige did being a guy in the bathroom. But that was while they're separated. But I was glad when they came back together.
A
I know. Well, in the way that too. Is that you. Because of what he keeps doing throughout the book. Creek. Even though she's bas. He's living in the Italian restaurant that they own together. He's. She's. Because she's pushing him away. But he comes over once a day, cleans up, comes over, takes the garbage out. Big points in my book.
B
I know.
A
You know how I feel when I have to take the garbage out of myself. Not good when you're out of town. Makes me really angry. So he. He obviously loves her. He's trying to do everything to. To keep her together, basically. And you know that he is longing to be with her. And that's why he has this feeling for Cora. But also I think there were genuine feelings for each other. But yes, the right thing is for him to be back together with Paige. And I know that. And now she can have some peace because she does know what happened. Even though they put the wrong person in jail, but he deserved it kind of thing. It's a whole. But Grant doesn't know, which I thought was interesting. She never tells Grant the truth. Right.
B
True. No, she leaves. I think this is a little bit like women banding together. Whereas, like he doesn't need to know everything.
A
No.
B
And Finn doesn't know everything either.
A
Right.
B
And he's got out of jail because of it. And she was just like, play along, you idiot.
A
Yeah. She just. She. I know. I love that power move when Cora goes to visit him in jail and she goes, so this is what happened. And he's looking at her like she has eight heads. And she goes, so you saw him drive away. Right. And so he realizes he's actually kind of putting the nail in Lucas's coffin. But he doesn't. He's such a dirt.
B
He's so dumb.
A
Yeah. And he just wants out of jail. So he doesn't care. She's like. She's basically like, yeah. I mean, if you. If you don't agree with that assessment, I guess you can just rotten either person did it. But back to my big question for you. One of my big questions. So it says at the beginning, he hears a gunshot, doesn't know where it came from. When we're hearing the story from Caleb's the one and only moment we meet Caleb. And then at the end, Nicola when she reveals that it was her that killed him, she says he shot at her. Everyone you know, there's a gunshot for sure. But then in the very first chapter, yeah. Paige is talking about how she's pissed off that nobody's figured out who. Who did the hit and run, blah, blah, blah. And she said and there was. Why was there a gun by his side? What was he in trouble? And she goes, but the gun was never shot.
B
Yeah. H. And Maya also says she heard a gunshot and caught and sirens coming.
A
Yes, everyone says there's a gunshot but there's just one page, the very first pages thing that she says and the gun was never fired. So I don't know if that was just a little flub in the book that just. I mean I got it. I've written a couple books myself and you can make some. You can make a couple flubs or maybe originally she wasn't going to have the gun go off and then she changed it and then she. There was that. But I just wonder if that was caught anyone else's attention or if there was a reason for it because then what I was thinking, if it wasn't for the fact that Mia had said she heard a gunshot, the daughter. I was thinking that perhaps Nicola made up the gunshot part to sort of justify that she. How scared she was of him. I actually thought that was going to come out later because I remembered that Paige said the gun was never fired, but I don't think so. I think it was either just a little hole in the story somewhere or a little flub or something.
B
If it would have been told in first person then I would have been like, well, she's just lying, right? Or she's not. But because it's told in third person then it's kind of told this fact. Right?
A
I mean she's. Yeah. Well she says that there was a gun next to him and the gun was never fired, but we know that it was. So I just don't. I just don't know if that was on purpose and if it was, I'd be curious.
B
Yeah.
A
What is it? Is it, is it that they lied to Paige? And so. But I don't think so.
B
I mean, yeah, I don't know.
A
I mean I know he had no gunshot.
B
I honestly didn't catch that until the second time when I listened to it. Then I was like, okay, I missed that because it is literally the first Two or three pages.
A
Yeah, I know. I know. The only reason I remembered it is because I just. I had noted. I had, like, done that little highlight thing in your. In your Kindle where it said, like, oh, the gun was never fired. So I was just curious if that caught your attention, too, second time around. Okay.
B
Took me a while to catch some things on this one.
A
Well, yeah, me too. I really. Oh, I. And I like to tell you my issues.
B
Yes, go ahead.
A
So one of my issues that I. That I. We have an alarm system in our house.
B
A very good one.
A
Yeah. In case anyone's trying back.
B
I installed this alarm system and then I put in $5,000 worth more of alarm stuff like, you can't.
A
I'm a very nervous sleeper from the way these books that I read. Guys. He has to make me feel like.
B
Trying to get in here.
A
Yeah.
B
That was a challenge, everybody. That wasn't a challenge.
A
But. So when they all decide that Paige is going to break into the house to get the little recording that the recorder that she dropped in his. In Lucas's briefcase a long time ago. And. And so Nicola has to give her the alarm code. She says, this is how you'll turn off the alarm when you go in. So that he won't wake up or hear the alarm go off. But you would hear someone turn the alarm.
B
That's what I was thinking about too, because I was like, do they have like a silent alarm thing where it's like. Like the second you open the door, it's like, yeah.
A
And then you go, yeah, you would. This guy. You would hear it.
B
Yeah.
A
And. And now we found. And we do find out why he wouldn't hear anything, which was kind of one of my favorite parts of the book. Because this guy's such a dirt. But it made me laugh. But they didn't. They weren't concerned about it.
B
It's actually a great part. They added. She added it.
A
Yeah. I love. Which. So she breaks in and turns off the alarm right away. Again, it would have made noise. That was my only beef. Because Nicola would have said, oh, but when you turn it off, the keypad makes noise. But I guess we're just supposed to assume it was all silent. Fine. But we know how this guy had her trapped in this house. You're going to tell me that there was an alarm, that the minute you open the door, it doesn't go screaming off like ours says when it's set to stay at night or something. Anyway, so she breaks in and she thinks that he might have hurt Her. And then she goes by his room and she hears him listening to dude meditation. You're a very strong man.
B
You're good enough. You're strong enough and by golly, people love you.
A
Yeah. And I was like, oh, that image of this guy is just nailed for me. Just. He's the kind of guy that just.
B
That's really where she drove home who this guy was.
A
Yeah, I mean, you know, he's awful because of the abuse obviously, but to hear that he also listens to self help books. Yeah, but. But just like those creepy ones that just get guys a little too ramped up like him.
B
Anyway, a good lesson from this book to relate to the real world is you often hear people mainly. Mainly men like why didn't she just leave them? You hear that all the time. And this is a. This is like this. I know this is fiction, but this happens all the time in the real world.
A
Yeah.
B
Where she can't leave them.
A
Yeah. He 100% had her trapped. And there is no argument of, of was she trapped or not. I mean the couple times she tried to get away and you're right, John, thank you for saying that because it's very true. What? The couple times she tried to get away. Oh, we were talking a couple weeks ago about the tie ins of how we love how each chapter is each character and then how it ties into the story that's happening at the exact same time for the other one. And when it was when Nicola was trying. Or Georgia, however we want to call her, we'll call her Nicola because that was her real name. But at this point she's trying to get away and it's so frustrating when.
B
She'S trying to get away.
A
Oh. And so she, she, she steals. She gets the. Where does she get a Rolex? I forget. She got a watch, Gucci watch that.
B
She stole from someone outside the bank maybe.
A
Yeah, right. When they wouldn't purse or something. Yeah. She found out that she has some money in the bank. She gets Cora to watch the baby. And she knows that she has a certain amount of time because she's figured out that she can steal the one camera that he has on her that where he just thinks they're taking a nap for a certain amount of time. So she goes off, Cora's watching the baby. She goes to the bank, finds out that she can't take the money out because she doesn't have any identification, is clearly freaking out. And then she. And she even. Even hear her saying, I'll pay it back. However I have to. But she sees this. This purse, and she grabs it, gets in a taxi. It all goes awry. And. And there's one point where she. So she's gone longer than she's supposed.
B
To be, like an hour longer.
A
And Sekora takes the baby back to her house, and then she. And she's like, oh, I don't have Georgia. She thinks her name is Georgia at this time. She's like, I don't have George's number, so I can't check on her and let her know, like, hey, the baby's fine, but you're just making sure you're okay. So she texts Lucas, and it's innocent. It's not Cora's fault.
B
No, no, no. She didn't know at this point.
A
No. And so she texts Lucas and she goes, hey, just so you know, I mean, I've had the. I've had AV for a little bit. She's all good. No r. You know, since. Since George is out, I just thought I'd let you know. And then. And you. I mean, my stomach just sang.
B
I know. That was rough. That's tough.
A
Immediately, you know what's gonna happen? She's gonna be punished for trying to get away, and his punishments are awful, and he's gonna lock her in the basement and beat the. Out of her. And it's just. I mean, that's what happens, to be frank. But it's just awful. And I. But I do. The way it's written is so genius that you're reading in one chapter what she's going through, and then you read in the second chapter, Cora just sort of not having any idea and saying, hey, Lucas, just so you know, baby's safe over here.
B
And you're like, no, it's so painful.
A
Text tip.
B
Yeah, it's so painful.
A
Are you okay? No, I just went somewhere.
B
I'm just. My whole. My point of that, though, is, like, even though in real life right now there is situations like that, but there are literally situations where women don't have bank accounts, where women can't get away. And so when people are like, oh, she could have left. She couldn't have.
A
Right?
B
You know, and it. You know, when women can first have bank accounts in this country in the usa, no. Women could not have a bank on this country without a man's signature. Hella 60s.
A
Oh, I didn't realize that.
B
You know, when. The first time a woman in the USA could have a credit card.
A
No.
B
1974.
A
Is that true?
B
The USA?
A
I don't know. This. The Canadian Knows it.
B
When people say now, the.
A
By the way, John still doesn't let me have a bank account or a credit card.
B
That's wrong.
A
I'm just kidding.
B
So when people say the divorce rate now, like, marriage isn't what it used to be, the divorce rate now is 50%. Yeah. The divorce rate is 50% because women can leave now.
A
Right.
B
Women aren't chained to the radiator, literally or figuratively, anymore.
A
Yeah.
B
And they were chained to the radiator by the government for all those years. So when people say the divorce rate is 50%, that's not a failure, that's a success for society, in my opinion. Women can finally leave if they need to, most of the time.
A
Right.
B
Whereas before they couldn't.
A
That's a good point.
B
So I really think when people say, well, marriage isn't what it used to be, divorce rate, sure. People leave sometimes marriages when they could have given another chance. But a lot of time, not very many people leave a good marriage.
A
Right.
B
And a lot of before 1974 or whatever year, women couldn't leave these marriages until the men let them go.
A
Right.
B
So when you say 50% of marriages end in divorce, I think that's a success for society.
A
Okay.
B
That's how I view it.
A
Yeah. No, I see what you're saying. I mean, I know exactly what you're saying, and you're right. I mean, if people. Of course people can fall out of love. Of course there can be reasons that people don't stay married. And of course they're to. To think that there was. There are points where people just can't truly. I mean, in this book, it's obviously much more extreme. But what you're talking about is a very good point. When they couldn't. Because they go, well, sure, what the hell am I supposed to do? I can't even have a credit card.
B
Yeah. But before that, women were being mentally, sexually, physically abused and literally could not leave.
A
This took a dark turn.
B
Sorry. I'll get off my soapbox now.
A
I mean, this book was already dark.
B
Sorry, babe.
A
No, it's okay. I mean, I think that it's an important thing to say. And actually, I know it's. It's so funny that as a woman in. In the US I was like, really? Was it that. Because sometimes when you hear the years, you just go, that can't be possible. But, you know, it is.
B
Like, I think about, like my. My Nana, she. Her husband died when she was 29, 1964. And I'm just like. When I read all this stuff. I was like, how the hell did she do it? Yeah, how did she possibly do it? Three kids, single, no insurance policy left from her husband all alone, 1964.
A
That's awesome. How did she do it?
B
I don't know. Pretty amazing, though.
A
Is that the same one that would look out the window and yell at people? Yeah.
B
You see where the anger comes from?
A
Yeah. I was about to say now. Now makes a little more sense. She's like, I spent all those years raising those kids, and then now this guy's just walking around with eight bags.
B
Of groceries from Safeway. Nonetheless.
A
From Safeway.
B
Pricey these days.
A
That was a couple episodes ago, if you missed it, but you probably didn't. But.
B
So were you satisfied by the. The end of the book? By everything.
A
Okay. Well, yeah, the big. The end. Where the big crescendo is that Lucas does get out and he goes back to get Nicola and Paige is. It's in. It's in. Yeah, it's in Paige's house. She's in Paige's house. He knows where she is because he saw her looking out the window when he got arrested. And she's like, oh, I was sloppy. He saw me. That's why he's back here. So he. He posts bail for all this awful shit that he did, all this abuse. He posts bail. And they also had, at this point, framed him for running over Caleb. They had successfully framed him for it because his car was in that video. And Nicola can't leave the house, according to everybody, right? So that helps. But they had. They had framed the entire thing where it looked like he had done this, and it was pretty bulletproof. And then he gets out anyway on bail because he's a lot of connections, and he goes over to Paige's house where he knows that Nicola is. And he's going to. And he starts. And he's. She tries to stab him to get away from him. Basically, he holds the baby over her head. You're gonna. She doesn't know for sure if he knows the baby's not his yet, but he doesn't, which is good for her. And he says, you're gonna get me out of this. You're gonna tell everyone that. That the abuse thing was just. Oh, no, actually. Wait. So they hadn't framed him for the car. For the car yet, have they? They had already.
B
That's why he's in jail.
A
But I thought he was in jail for the abuse.
B
Oh, no. Oh, boy.
A
It doesn't matter. We know that they got him to take the fall for it. And he's based. But he's so. But I'm just saying he tells her. Oh, you got to say that. That this was just our role play thing that I was.
B
Right, right.
A
Yeah. And that's what the abuse was.
B
Here's the thing. I, I knew such a big twist was coming. I was like, oh, was it? No, it can't be. Wait.
A
But I'm just saying at that point.
B
Oh, because he was trying to get off for the abuse stuff.
A
Yeah, because it was he not trying to get out of Finn.
B
Get out. Because we're asking questions right at the end of the.
A
I know. Sorry guys. We read. I mean but you guys know the whole story. But I can't remember if in the. Oh no, because in the. Yeah. They had already set it up that he was. He was the, the one that did the hit and run too. So they set him up to take the fall for that. And wait, she's basically saying you're going to come back. You're going to be with me. And then most. Some of the most poetic justice slaves way that these two women can for sure go forward in their lives as Paige being the grandmother of Nicola's baby even though she knows that she was the one that killed her son. So Paige comes down when Lucas is. Is basically dragging Nicola out and. And Nicola gets away when she, when she, when he hears sirens coming. Nicola goes running into the house. She closes the door, locks it. And then Paige comes down the stairs and he. And with the shotgun. And so she ends up. He's. He's basically trying to run away from her and she, she ends up shooting him and killing him back in his back. And so Nicholas standing there and she's like, oh my God, she just killed him. The police are coming and there's no. You can't really get away with shooting someone in the back when they're running away from you. And so she just silently takes the gun. It was like my favorite moment. She silently takes the gun from Paige and she goes, I shot him. I had to. And then Paige just nods and it's like you had to. And then. So now it's Nicola. They know it's self defense for her because they have the record of abuse. They see that she's. He has just beat the. Just beat. Hurt her a lot. And they can see all that. So when the police come they're basically like, okay, self defense, case closed.
B
And then when they pick it up one year later, that's they. We learned that it was totally Self defense. The cops believed their self defense. She's living now and somewhere else.
A
Yeah, she went back to where she was from. And then she. And then she. That's when we find out she, Avery and. Or Paige and Grant are going to come out and visit her and see the baby. And Cora Solda is living in Florida, living her best life. But I thought that was just genius. It's like I killed your son. And my husband took the fall for it. And you let him because you understand what was happening. And now I'm gonna take that gun from you and I'm the one that killed. Yeah. And I thought that was great.
B
Those women have a lot of secrets going to the grave with them.
A
They do. They do. Hopefully none of them ever, you know, gets a little too many cocktails at the bar. Starts loose lips sink ships, guys. But yeah, I thought that was a. It was a fantastic ending and all that. All the twists I thought were. I didn't see them coming. And I loved it.
B
I loved it too. You know, you always know the twists are coming and I just didn't know where they're coming on this one. Yeah, I really liked it.
A
Yeah. I didn't know what they would be. I really for sure didn't see the. The affair with Caleb and Nicola at all. I started to think that she might have had a. Had a hand in him a lot.
B
Of like, Maya was talking about how she had a big crush on Caleb.
A
Yes.
B
They were five years apart, but Georgia and Caleb were also five years apart on the other side. Like, it was like 27, 22. 17.
A
Right.
B
Age differences. So it kept on thinking that something's gonna come back to, like, Maya with Caleb.
A
Right.
B
So that's where they kind of get you off the scent.
A
Yes. When. Because she has the video.
B
Yeah.
A
And then I started thinking, oh, maybe Nicola ran over him when she was trying to escape Lucas one night, you know. But then I remembered. Oh, was yelling at a car. So anyway, great job. Seraphina Nova Glass, you're now one of my favorite authors. And I think you gained a lot of fans from our. From. From here, too. From what I've. I've been reading.
B
Great book. I'll definitely read more.
A
Yes. Next month is January seven Husbands of.
B
Evelyn Hugo by Taylor Jenkin Reed. I love her. She's a great authority. I've read, I think, almost all her books.
A
Oh, really?
B
Yeah. I'm a huge fan and this is probably my favorite book of hers.
A
Okay. I'm very excited to read it. I did start it already. So I'm pumped and pumped about this.
B
All right, bro, you mask lacrosse. Let's go down.
A
And I will announce my February pick soon. So you follow us on Instagram at the Book List and join at the that Join the Book List spinners Facebook group, where we will always tell you in advance so that you library readers and. And anyone who just reads ahead always have the opportunity to get the books when you need them. Thank you for listening.
B
Thank you, guys. Bye.
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The book list.
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The book lisp.
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The book list.
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The Book Lisp with Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna Episode Summary: "On a Quiet Street Discussion" Release Date: December 23, 2024
In this episode of The Book Lisp, hosts Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna delve deep into the intricacies of "Quiet Street" by Seraphina Nova Glass. Transitioning from their usual genre selections, this month’s pick offers a blend of psychological thrillers and intense character studies, captivating both Jon's romance enthusiasts and Sarah's thriller aficionados.
Sarah introduces "Quiet Street" as a limited series novel that intricately weaves the lives of its characters within a seemingly tranquil gated community. She expresses her admiration for Glass's writing style and the suspenseful narrative that keeps readers hooked until the very end.
Notable Quote:
Sarah [02:04]: "She's now one of my favorite authors... I hope she listens to this because we have some questions."
Paige, the protagonist, is portrayed as a deeply traumatized woman on a quest for vengeance after her son's tragic death in a hit-and-run incident. Her journey is complicated by her husband Finn's abusive nature and the introduction of neighbor Nicola (also known as Georgia), whose enigmatic presence adds layers of mystery to the story.
Jon highlights Paige's transformation:
Jon [05:50]: "She's like the mayor of the neighborhood... she cannot believe that this one woman... wants nothing to do with her."
The dynamic between Paige and Finn serves as a critical axis around which much of the plot revolves, showcasing themes of control, abuse, and the struggle for autonomy.
One of the most gripping aspects discussed is the revelation of Nicola's true identity and her hidden past. Sarah admits being taken aback by the twists, particularly Nicola's affair with Caleb, Paige's son, and the subsequent shocking revelation that Nicola is Avery's mother.
Notable Quote:
Sarah [19:57]: "It's one of those things that you can see it coming, like, about three or four pages before you're like, oh, let's go."
This twist not only redefines Nicola's motives but also intertwines the lives of the characters in unforeseen ways, adding depth to the narrative.
The discussion delves into heavy themes such as domestic abuse, the limitations placed on women, and the societal pressures that trap individuals in toxic relationships. Jon and Sarah draw parallels between the fictional events and real-world issues, emphasizing the importance of understanding and addressing these challenges.
Notable Quote:
Sarah [38:11]: "Where she can't leave them."
They touch upon historical contexts, noting that until 1974 in the USA, women couldn't obtain bank accounts or credit cards without male consent, underscoring the systemic barriers that exacerbate situations of abuse and control.
The hosts critically examine plot inconsistencies and authorial choices, such as the unexplained gunshot at the novel's beginning. Sarah questions whether this was a deliberate narrative device or an oversight:
Sarah [33:15]: "I just wonder if that was caught anyone else's attention or if there was a reason for it."
They also explore Paige's morally ambiguous actions, debating whether her methods in seeking vengeance were justified or crossed ethical boundaries. The conversation touches on Paige's decision to frame Finn for the hit-and-run and the subsequent psychological impact on all involved parties.
As the episode wraps up, Jon and Sarah express their satisfaction with the book’s conclusion, appreciating the resolution of complex character arcs and the poetic justice served. They commend Seraphina Nova Glass for crafting a narrative filled with suspense, emotional depth, and unexpected twists that leave a lasting impression.
Notable Quote:
Jon [50:22]: "Great book. I'll definitely read more."
Looking ahead, Sarah announces next month's selection, "Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo" by Taylor Jenkins Reid, promising another engaging discussion. She encourages listeners to follow their social media platforms for updates and join their community on Facebook for exclusive content and early book releases.
This episode of The Book Lisp offers listeners a thorough and insightful analysis of "Quiet Street," blending detailed plot breakdowns with thoughtful thematic discussions. Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna successfully engage their audience, providing a comprehensive review that not only highlights the book's strengths and flaws but also connects its events to broader societal issues. Whether you're a fan of psychological thrillers or intricate character-driven stories, this summary captures the essence of their engaging conversation, making it a valuable listen for both regular followers and newcomers alike.
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