Oversized  Polos and Underage Bartenders

Summary

The Book Lisp Podcast Episode Summary: "Oversized Polos and Underage Bartenders"

Release Date: July 14, 2025
Hosts: Jon Ryan & Sarah Colonna
Book Discussed: "Meet Me at the Lake" by Carly Fortune
Summer Read: "Sometimes I Lie" by Alice Feeney

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1. Welcome and Episode Introduction

Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna kick off the episode by welcoming listeners to the second week of their July Book Lisp. They introduce the focus on Carly Fortune's "Meet Me at the Lake," highlighting it as a perfect summer read. Notably, they mention that in new listeners can enjoy themed discussions without spoilers until week four.

Notable Quote:
Sarah Colonna [00:30]: "It really is a perfect summer read."

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2. Anniversary Trip to Cambria

The hosts share their recent anniversary celebration in Cambria, Northern California. They recount their visit to the charming beach town near Paso Robles, emphasizing their delightful experience at the Sea Chest restaurant. The ambiance included pre-opening wine tastings, which led them to join two wine clubs—one in Paso and another in Cambria.

Notable Quote:
Sarah Colonna [01:13]: "We went to Cambria for our anniversary... it's a very cute beach town."

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3. Wine Tasting Adventures

Jon and Sarah delve into their wine tasting experience at Justin Winery in Paso Robles. They discuss the differences in pour sizes, with Jon remarking on the substantial pours that early in the day. Sarah contrasts this with subsequent wineries that offered smaller pours, enhancing their overall tasting journey.

Notable Quote:
Jon Ryan [04:18]: "He's like, we do one ounce pours because... the tastings are."

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4. Upcoming Comedy Shows and Personal Updates

Sarah updates listeners on her busy summer schedule, announcing upcoming performances in Salem, Oregon, Woodlands, Texas, San Antonio, and Las Vegas. She invites fans to join her shows and engage in meet-and-greets, blending her love for comedy with their mutual passion for books.

Notable Quote:
Sarah Colonna [05:32]: "We're going to add a little more. The bonus chapter that Carly Fortune wrote for 'Meet Me at the Lake'... It’ll be on Patreon, too."

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5. Discussion on Summer Jobs Gone Awry

Sarah's Worst Summer Job:
Sarah recounts her challenging stint at a dry cleaner in Fayetteville, Arkansas, where she dealt with extreme heat and oversized fashion items. She humorously reflects on how an ill-fitted salmon polo became her signature mishap.

Jon's Worst Summer Jobs:
Jon shares his experiences working on a golf course and later as a janitor at a water park. He describes the monotonous and strenuous tasks, including maintaining 50 toilets and landscaping, while occasionally taking extended breaks at McDonald's.

Notable Quotes:
Sarah Colonna [09:25]: "My worst summer job ever was when I worked at a dry cleaners in Fayetteville, Arkansas."
Jon Ryan [14:01]: "I had this big fan in my living room... making reservations for Hawaii while sweating."

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6. Big Cities vs. Small Towns

The hosts engage in a lively conversation about the contrasts between big cities like Los Angeles and smaller towns such as Regina and Farmington. They discuss the close-knit nature of small towns, the challenges of privacy, and the benefits of community support. Sarah shares anecdotes about waving to strangers and the familiarity that comes with returning home.

Notable Quote:
Jon Ryan [28:28]: "Like in LA, you'd probably get punched, but whenever you walk by someone, you always say hi."

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7. Immigration and Settling in the U.S.

Jon opens up about his journey towards obtaining a green card, highlighting the complexities and uncertainties he faced as a Canadian athlete in the NFL. He credits meeting Sarah as a pivotal factor in securing his residency, sharing insights into the stringent immigration processes and the importance of companionship.

Notable Quote:
Jon Ryan [35:10]: "I just thought I was going to go back... But thank God, it worked out."

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8. Jury Duty and Civic Responsibilities

Sarah and Jon discuss the nuances of jury duty in the U.S., touching on the confusion Jon faces despite his green card status. They exchange thoughts on the responsibilities and apprehensions associated with serving on a jury, contemplating the potential stress of high-profile cases.

Notable Quote:
Sarah Colonna [39:36]: "I have a mental breakdown and tell you that we should leave."

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9. Building Community and Personal Connections

The conversation shifts to the importance of community involvement and personal relationships. Sarah emphasizes her mother's charitable work and how their families' reputations influence their social interactions in Regina. Jon reflects on reconnecting with old acquaintances and the challenges of maintaining privacy despite his public persona.

Notable Quote:
Sarah Colonna [46:58]: "Your family's name is just in the world there."

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10. Patreon and Additional Content

Concluding the episode, Jon and Sarah promote their Patreon for exclusive content, including short stories, bonus chapters, and special readings. They encourage listeners to support the podcast through reviews and subscriptions, highlighting the value of community engagement.

Notable Quote:
Sarah Colonna [49:45]: "We listen to it on Audible, I guess. But it got us through a good hour and a half drive."

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Conclusion

In this episode of The Book Lisp, Jon Ryan and Sarah Colonna blend personal anecdotes with engaging discussions about their summer experiences, the challenges of summer jobs, the dynamics of living in different sized communities, and the intricacies of immigration. Their candid conversations provide listeners with relatable content, humor, and insights into balancing personal lives with their passion for books.

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Transcript

[Sarah Colonna]

Hi, I'm Sarah Colonna.

[John Ryan]

And I'm John Ryan.

[Sarah Colonna]

And you're listening to the Book List. The Book List.

[John Ryan]

The Book Lisp.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, that's right. You're listening to the Book Lisp. Hello and welcome to the Book Lisp with John Ryan and Sarah Colonna. Week two, July Book Lisp. Carly Fortune. Meet me at the Lake. What a summer read. Foreign.

[John Ryan]

It's truly a perfect summer read.

[Sarah Colonna]

It really is a perfect summer read. You guys know or if you don't know and you're new here, we don't discuss the book until week four, so you're safe to listen. We are just going to talk about some topics sort of off of the theme of the book. Themes of the book, things that happen in the book, but nothing we will spoil for you. Isn't that right, John?

[John Ryan]

That's correct, girl.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. How was your. How's your day been so far?

[John Ryan]

Well, it's got my haircut.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know it looks good.

[John Ryan]

I think it's okay. You know, it's getting there.

[Sarah Colonna]

I think it looks okay.

[John Ryan]

Thank you. My forehead's very red as your forehead is also a little red. And your nose. We got a little burnt at the ocean.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. We went to Cambria for our anniversary. Our anniversary was Wednesday, July 9th. And we went to Cambria, which is in Northern California.

[John Ryan]

It's about a third or Central, I.

[Sarah Colonna]

Guess Central, but it's north coast. Good point. So I guess you're right. It would be Central. It's right near Cap. Paso. Robles. Robles. It's a very cute beach town. And they, we, I think we talked about this a little bit, but there's this amazing restaurant called the Sea Chest. And there's a whole thing where you get in line a little bit before they open up and everyone drinks wine and. And then you get in for the first seating if you come early enough. Well, even though we were. Are very good with sunscreen, usually we forgot that we were going to be standing out there even though it was 4:30 and it seemed like we should be safe but.

[John Ryan]

And it was like in the low seas. So I think we just, we weren't being smart.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. And we usually are, so you don't have to lecture us. John's already had skin cancer removed and I get checked every year, but it kind of makes me kind of. I like a little color. So once. But I, you know, you're supposed to do it with, with sunscreen and get a little color from, I don't know, whatever it blocks out.

[John Ryan]

However sunscreen works the harmful rays of the sun.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's it. That's it. But I sure do get better. Better. A little color. When I don't, I forget sunscreen. Anyway, no worries. Don't worry about us. We did sign up for two wine clubs while we were in Paso. Well, one in Paso and one in Cambria. That's another.

[John Ryan]

How many bottles a year? Another 18 bottles a year?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I think so. We went the first winery that we went to in Paso. Don't worry, we'll get into our topics off the book in a second. But the first winery went to in Paso, Justin. We both are big fans of Justin wines and we'd never been to the winery. So we had a driver on Tuesday that took us to three different ones. We started there. I was nervous because usually when you're wine tasting, you're kind of like, I mean, could you pour a little more? Just so, hey, right.

[John Ryan]

You're usually like, this is like the first stop at like 11 in the morning.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, it was 11:30. And because you go. Because you're out for about five hours, so you kind of have to start at 11:30 to be done at 4:30 and then go have dinner anyway. So they. But. But then you're glad they're doing them small because you're going to three wineries and that's what. And that's the proper thing to do. But at Justin, I don't know if it was just because we were there, his first table, one of his first tables, or that we just looked like people who were going to sign up for the wine club, but we did. He was pouring the calf glasses.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, he's like, what? They're. He's like, we do one ounce pours because, I mean, the tastings are. I think I got like six tastings for $80. I think you got another five for 50. So it was.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, we did like one of the premium tasting.

[John Ryan]

It was a more expensive tasting for sure. And I think you gave some extra. But after the first pour, you're like, oh, like, it's not even noon yet. We got a lot more to go.

[Sarah Colonna]

I was like, we have a full day ahead of us. I mean, and you never want to complain when somebody's giving you a big pour. But there was a little part of me that was like, I got nervous. But then we went to the other two and they. And they poured us the. The very small pores.

[John Ryan]

Well, the second one. The second one was a real. A real company poor. That young lady was a real company poor.

[Sarah Colonna]

I was A real company. Poor. It was a pretty place. And then we ended at Breen, which we have been to before. Highly recommend as well. Recommend Cambria, recommend the sea chest. Recommend sunscreen. Recommend all of it. 10 out of 10 week. And yeah, we. John didn't want to come home, but our cats wanted us to come home.

[John Ryan]

Did they?

[Sarah Colonna]

I don't. I think so.

[John Ryan]

You never know when you walk in. You never know.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know they act weird when you walk in, but then. But Ralphie was excited and he gives us his belly. The girls are just weird. They're like, what happened to you guys? Anyway, this week, July 18th, Friday, I'm going to be in Salem, Oregon. John is going to be with me at the historic Grand Theater. There are still a few tickets Left. It's an 8pm show.

[John Ryan]

Mm.

[Sarah Colonna]

I think there's some crazy music festival or something going on around there. So just don't go to that. Come see me instead. Or go to that, like Saturday and come see me Friday.

[John Ryan]

And then you have all weekend to go to that.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, you have all weekend. So. So rounded out nicely with me. John will be there. He'll do a meet and greet with me after. And then we. And then I just added a show in the Woodlands, Texas, at a really cool place called the Do Si Do. I'm performing at the Big Barn there. I like to be. Yeah, it's August 14th and then August 15th. Then I'm in San Antonio at Stable hall. And then August 18th through the 24th, I'm in Vegas at Brad Garrett's comedy club. I do a little mini residency when I'm there. So those are your summer dates to come hang with me and we can. I do meet and greets after all my shows so we can talk books and shit.

[John Ryan]

Hell yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

Hell yeah, girl. And then your July, your August read is Sometimes I Lie by Alice Feeney. And yeah, I just started it and I'm really liking it. I think there's. I know that some people have already read it, some haven't. Don't forget that we do keep a featured tab in the book listeners on the Facebook group. So you can always go check what the reads are there. Cause I know that I didn't announce it on the podcast last week, but I did put it on Facebook and I did put it on Instagram at the book list. But there's always a running features tab that tells you that. It also tells you what your Patreon short story is. Which this month is Death row by Frida McFadden, which John and I listened to Together, like, what a fun couple activity that was. We listened to it on the way home from Cambria in the car. And every 15th of the month we do a short story on Patreon. And they're usually, they're always a quick read. They're always like a dollar something on, on Audible or Kindle. So that's a really fun little addition. I haven't read a lot of short stories, so I've been really liking that. And then we also do bonus content on the 5th and the 25th of every month where we just kind of have fun and talk about nonsense, sometimes book related. And we're going to be adding a little more. The end of this month. We're going to be doing a bonus chapter that Carly Fortune read, wrote for Meet Me at the Lake that I found on her website. And I'm going to do a, possibly a dramatic reading. We're thinking of setting up a video and doing a dramatic reading of that bonus chapter. So that'll be on Patreon, too. And all of that's only $5 a month. So join us there.

[John Ryan]

That's fun.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know. I felt like that was a lot to tell people, but I wanted to get those dates out because the summer can be tough on getting people to come see comedy because they like to do outdoor activities. And so Texas, it's too hot.

[John Ryan]

You gotta be inside.

[Sarah Colonna]

You gotta go to do the do Si Doe and the stable hall. And also, I mean, so much awful stuff is going on in Texas right now. So thought my heart heartbreaking with the floods and everything. So I just wanted to not gloss over that while I talk about doing comedy there. Now, John, you had some good ideas for what we should talk about today. What do you got for me?

[John Ryan]

Yeah, well, my first idea was because Fern is used to going out to the lake for the summer to kind of work for her mom. As it turns out, she kind of starts to work there more because of her mother's death. But I want to talk to you and ask you what your worst summer job ever was.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay. Okay. Well, I mean, I had a few. I would say my worst summer job ever was when I worked at a dry cleaners in Fayetteville, Arkansas.

[John Ryan]

In the summer.

[Sarah Colonna]

In the summer it was hot on the square. Yeah.

[John Ryan]

It's humid.

[Sarah Colonna]

It was so hot. And it's it. Because I think, I don't know if they've figured out a better way to cool them off now. I feel like when I go into our dry cleaners, it's not as it doesn't feel as crazy hot. But also I'm just coming in as the customer. So probably in the back, they'd come punch me in the face for me saying that. But the. I just. This one was really small. I can't remember the name of it. My best friend from high school, Amy, she told me that I should get a job. She had a job there. And she was like, you got to get a job here. Because what happens is people leave clothes for like a certain amount of time and then. And then you can take them. After a certain amount of time, you can take the clothes. And so there's all these like tons of clothes. Like it's several months that they have to be left there. And then at one point they just have to move them to make room for. So there's this room where you can just get clothes. And so she somehow talked me into it. And I think I just got like some really oversized salmon polo out of it. And I. Heat stroke.

[John Ryan]

I say like, most of the time, people that are, you know, whatever you are, 19 to 21 kind of dress in a fashion that's of 19 to 21 year olds. And most people from 1921 aren't taking their clothes to the laundry or to the dry cleaners, general speaking.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's a good point. I was. And I was 16 when I was working there. And so I was basically taking home met. We were like, I don't know if this was the thing in Saskatchewan, but in Arkansas at least there was a phase where it was rugby shirts. Is that the right. Yeah, I remember that. Rugby shirts. And then it became for girls to wear them and to have oversized ones. So I would score some of those there, but they wouldn't. It's not like I was shopping for them, so it's not like I could pick the right size for me. So they were really oversized. They were some guy who left his extra large shirt there seven months ago and now I'm wearing it to school. I think I look like an asshole.

[John Ryan]

When. When rugby shirts were really in and then, you know, people would tell, like, people just like, is it real or fake? They tell if it was like real or fake by the buttons. Do you remember this?

[Sarah Colonna]

No. I was the real one, the real dry cleaner babe. So I wasn't really paying attention.

[John Ryan]

The real. The real ones had rubber buttons because they're like a real. Like in rugby you have ruggy buttons. You don't want to get like a hard button when you get tackled. She had like a rubber button so the real ones had rubber buttons and the other ones just for fashion. That was not cool.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay.

[John Ryan]

I think definitely. No, we're talking about the same thing. Like, they called them rugby shirts because it looked like a rugby jersey. It's what rugby players wore. Three buttons up the front and the collar. Almost like a polo rugby shirt because that's what rugby players wear.

[Sarah Colonna]

We're talking about thing. Okay. I just remember having a really oversized salmon one and then also one that was like a striped burgundy and blue or something. And I had long sleeves in it. And then I had to roll up the sleeves. I mean, I don't know what. I think my best friend from high school might have been trying to make me look stupid.

[John Ryan]

Now that I'm looking back, I mean, fashion in the early 90s was a little different. Babe.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Thank you. But, yeah, it was also. And it was very hot. I didn't last long. I made it out of there with. Yeah, I didn't last long there. My hair was really big every time because of the humidity in the summer. And she. And also, this always happens. It. It just like when I got my job at Hardee's and. Oh, you're gonna. You're gonna work the drive through. You don't get to start at the drive through. You have to. I had to start with making biscuits in the back. So I finally worked my way up to the drive through. But you don't just walk in and, and, and go to the drive through. That's. That's top level. That's what everyone wants. So just like that. She liked it because she was working at the front where there was at least a little bit of a breeze. But I was pulling this plastic bags over, shirts in the back.

[John Ryan]

Just around all the chemicals.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Sweating. So just like that. That was my terrible summer job. What was yours? And then I have another one after that. I. Oh, your water park.

[John Ryan]

After my. Yeah. After my freshman year of university, college, whatever you want to call it, I got a job on a golf course. I was like this. Give me the best job. You're done at 2 o' clock every day. Didn't really like golf, but I was like, I just did sit on a lawnmower, whatever. So I got this job, this like, private country club. And they're like, very strict. We have to wear like, uniforms. You gotta be there like 5:30 in the morning. And when you're 19 or 20 years old, I guess I was 19. 5:30 in the morning is like a time that doesn't even exist.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

It's not a real time, especially in the summer.

[Sarah Colonna]

That's when I had to be there to make the biscuits at Hardee's. You think those things make themselves.

[John Ryan]

So I thought I got my dream job and it lasted two weeks and I quit.

[Sarah Colonna]

You did? Just because of the hours?

[John Ryan]

Yeah, the hours. And then it was just like, you know, you're sitting on a lawnmower, you're picking weeds, whatever. Your allergies are just going like freaking crazy. Well, you're just like, you know, just like awful. So then, then I traded up to get a job at the water slides. And not on the water slide, but as a janitor at a water slide. I know. So every morning I had to go up. My first thing I did every morning was clean up from the night the day before. About 50 toilets at a water park. At a water park. Like, you know, the oldest person there is like 12. So you can imagine. I just can't what these toilets looked like the next day. So that was the first thing I do in the morning, before 10 o'.

[Sarah Colonna]

Clock.

[John Ryan]

Then I had to go and take care of the four softball fields, which was my favorite part. Like get them all cleaned up and everything. Then I went onto the slide and gave people a break. Like I got like a 50 minute break. So I went up and down. So I worked the water slide wherever I got the break. And then I usually went to McDonald's for at least two hours. Sometimes I went to McDonald's for. Sometimes I went to McDonald's for three hours and I'd come back just to clock out.

[Sarah Colonna]

And nobody noticed?

[John Ryan]

No. It was when I first started. Like, the bathrooms have to be done by 10, so get here by like 7:30. Then after like a couple weeks, I got there like 8, 8:30. Then by the end I was getting there like 9:40 and just like whipping through the bathrooms as quick as I could to get them done. And then like leaving by like 2 instead of being like 5. I just pretty much made my own rules.

[Sarah Colonna]

And do you remember what would you do at McDonald's? What would you do at McDonald's for three hours?

[John Ryan]

Well, we'd like, really take our time getting there. We'd like 15, 20 minutes to get there. Sit there, refill the old Diet Coke a few times, maybe stop by the mall real quick, see what's happening, then go back to work cruising the mall. Remember Larry Mueller? You've met him before. He was my boss. So he was like. He just hired me because I was on the university football team. So he was just like. He's like, don't do anything stupid and you're fine. But. But then sometimes I'd come back to work and they're like, john, there's no bartender in, in the Long Branch Saloon. There's no bartender and we have a, a woman's softball team or whatever. Then I'd have to go like bartend until like 10 at night.

[Sarah Colonna]

The Long Branch Saloon is what it was called. I like that.

[John Ryan]

They just, I just did like whatever. I was like, oh, now I got to cut the grass and I got to fertilize the grass. Now I'm working on the water slide. Now I'm cleaning shitters. Now I'm looking after that. Now I'm serving alcohol to the fine people of Regina. He was just like, I was like, I just did a little bit of everything. It was kind of fun cause I kind of set my own rules, but.

[Sarah Colonna]

And you didn't know, you didn't even know how to bartend, right? You were just mixing stuff up.

[John Ryan]

Oh, I was telling you this the other day because it's like, john, we need a second bartender this weekend. Do you know anyone that can bartender? Like, oh yeah, I got this. No problem. So I bring my buddy Will Clark and he starts bartending there with me for probably like a month. And they found out that Will Clark wasn't even of age yet. Like he was only 18. Like you have to be 19 where I'm from to bartend or to even go in a bar. He's an underage kid, like serving alcohol for like a month in this bar.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, that's funny.

[John Ryan]

Don't think that'd be like the first question when you bring someone into work. Not you trust the 19 year old ginger kid who just brought his buddy the bartender with you.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, they probably should have checked his ID or something or maybe had him fill out an application with his birth date on it. Something.

[John Ryan]

Some pretty basic stuff.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

And then I did some other janitorial work and then I did some landscaping work just for like family and friends for. I think that was like my last summer before I started playing pro football. But it's like after my fourth year of football. Because in Canada you can play like five years of college football. So after your fourth year you go try it for the pros. And if you don't make it, you even play a couple games in the pros. And if you get cut, you come back and play college football, which the US you can't do that. Like once you declare you're A pro and you can't come back. So I was like, I went through the camp and I got. I don't want to brag, but I got a $900 signing bonus.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, look at you.

[John Ryan]

But they paid it out over three weeks every week on Monday, I got $300 during training camp every. And I played two preseason. So I had like 1400 bucks saved up. So I'm like, even if I get cut, I'm good. I don't need to work in August. Like, I got 1400 bucks. Yeah, I'm killing it. Yeah. So, yeah, luckily I made the team and I made more than 1,400 bucks. But that was like my. At the time, I thought I was going to do a summer job and it turned into a 19 year career.

[Sarah Colonna]

But that was your backup plan was the $1,400. So. Okay. My other terrible job. This wasn't really summer. I know you know a little bit about this and some people might from stories in the past, but I don't really think I've ever talked about it. Definitely not on this podcast. But that I had a job. Part of it was in. I definitely. There's a summer relation here because of part of it. But. So I had this job while I was bartending to make extra money, where I was a secret shopper, where I called hotels and I would make a fake reservation and then I would go through a checklist of whether or not the person on the other end asked all the questions they were supposed to, went through all the things that they were supposed to, blah, blah, blah. You get what a secret shopper is, right? So. So now this is, I don't know, early 2000s. This is. I'm living in a one bedroom apartment with no air conditioner. This is you. You put in. I forget how it worked, but we had a. We had a true. A tape recorder, a big tape recorder with little tapes in it that we had to record. It recorded the conversation. I don't even remember how it works. Somehow you hooked it up to his phone and it recorded the conversation. And I would be sitting in my one bedroom apartment with no air conditioning. And I had. I was on the first floor, so I had bars on my window. So my window only opened the tiniest bit on the first floor, which was good because I was also right on this really busy street called Franklin Avenue. So I was basically just inhaling exhaust all day. But so what I'm saying is it was hot. It was. It was very hot. This was. Right. And it's just Concrete everywhere. And it's. The building was, was, was warm, guys. I can't tell you how hot it was summer in California. So I'm, I'm recording these stupid calls and I'm making reservations for places like the Four Seasons Lanai. Okay. And I'm making up a person who's coming to this. I'm saying, sometimes you'd be traveling with your family, sometimes alone, sometimes with a girlfriend, sometimes with a friend, sometimes with a boy. Whatever. It didn't matter. And the way I would sit there and make these reservations for some fake lady in Hawaii while I was sitting there just sweating. And they, I, I, I had this big fan in my living room at the time. They made me turn it off because they said it made too much noise on the stupid tape recorder. They go, you can't. You, we. It's a, it's whirring in the background. I'm like, I'm, I'm pouring sweat while I make these phone calls. I don't. And they told me I had to turn it off. So then I had to sit there and make reservations for Hawaii with my fan off, just pouring sweat. It was, I, it was miserable. And I don't even, I don't, I mean, like 15 a call or something. I mean, it was, I needed it. But looking back, it feels like I should have got a lot more.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, it remember, like, it was back there. That wasn't that long ago. But like, when's the last time you called the hotel or an airline or. I mean, we call the airline all the time, but we have. But to book a flight, to book a trip. You like, you all do everything online now.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. I wonder. Yeah. So that kind of job's probably not really around anymore.

[John Ryan]

Thanks a lot, AI.

[Sarah Colonna]

Not AI. Just thanks a lot.

[John Ryan]

Google.

[Sarah Colonna]

Just Websites. Yeah. Because now I get annoyed if I have to. I'm like, oh, my God, this person wants me to call them. Remember I was trying to make a reservation for our. For a car service to take.

[John Ryan]

Oh, God, Portland gave us a call. You're like, oh, my. What?

[Sarah Colonna]

That was for the wine tour. But also today I did have to make one for, for when we go to. From Portland to Salem this week. And but that guy was that his website said call or text, and he did it all via text. I'm thrilled with that. You know, I love that. But yeah, the, the, the wine, the wine tour guys said, yeah, just give me a call and we'll set it all up. And I was like, what? So we've turned into Such monsters. Like, why do I have to call you? Why can't I just do it all online? But for something like that, I understand. Because it's a little more personalized and they want to. Yeah, talk about what you want to do.

[John Ryan]

But you know what you baby boomers do? I'm not talking to you. I'm just talking about you baby boomers out there. You're not. You're Gen X. I'm saying, it just came across like I was talking. I just mean the people. Baby boomers will text you and be like, hey, what's up? Blah, blah, blah. And then you text them back and they call you. I. Like, there's a certain amount of people on my phone that they. If. If they text me and if I reply, I know they're calling me, and so I don't talk to those people anymore. It's too bad to lose relationships over that. But you guys need to know better. If you start a text, it doesn't end with a call.

[Sarah Colonna]

No, it's. That's a trick. Unless it's something very obviously that. Something they have to tell you that's important, and they go, hey, are you around to talk?

[John Ryan]

I have a true story about not a baby boomer, but our friend Michael Rosenbaum, who's we're actually going to see tonight and tomorrow for his birthday. Yeah, he has adhd, and one time I was emailing him back and forth, and then all of a sudden, I get a text from. From him, and then he's texting me. Two minutes later, he DMS me. It's like, bro, can we just focus on, like, it was three different platforms in the matter of three minutes. I was like, dude, can we just stick on one? Like, I. I'm so desperate right now. I might call you. Like, I literally went from email to text to dm. I'm like, well, I. I don't know which one to reply to you. Like, I'm replying you on all three now we have three conversations going on. Like, I can't keep track of our relationship right now, Mike.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, sometimes I think his texts come from his email. It's kind of confusing. Oh, yeah. Sometime, like, his email address is attached to his text. I don't know. Sometimes it confuses me, so I think.

[John Ryan]

It'S confusing him too, babe.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I think it might be. That's. But that's really funny. Yeah, we're going. We have a busy weekend. We're going to a. His birthday dinner tonight, so we're recording this on Friday. So Friday Night we're going to his birthday dinner. Saturday night we're going to a birthday party that he's having. So he never had his 50th, and now I think he's 52, maybe 53. Oh, okay. And he decided to he. Since he didn't have his 50th, he wanted to do. He has some life stuff happening when he turned 50, so he was like, I want to have like a party. And then. So we. So we're going to his party tomorrow night. And then he. And then he texted us and he's like, oh, we're also doing my birthday dinner. He. He does this big dinner where like 30 friends come and they go to Buca di beppo at Universal CityWalk.

[John Ryan]

I think the first time we went, it was like we saw a few other friends. We thought it was gonna be like six or eight of us. And then Michael goes up to the front, he goes, Rosenbaum for 34. Like, Jesus, oh my God. Can't you do anything normal?

[Sarah Colonna]

No, he rolls deep and it's. But he's the best. He's. You guys might know him from Smallville.

[John Ryan]

Lex Luther.

[Sarah Colonna]

Lex Luther in Smallville. He's a very. He did. He. I met him when he directed me in a movie that he wrote and also starred in and directed called Back in the Day. And we've been great friends ever since. And you guys should watch that movie for Michael's birthday.

[John Ryan]

And speaking of Back in the Day, it's a story of a guy that grew up in a small town and then went to the big city and now comes back to the small town. And that was going to be my next topic because Fern has lived in the big city in Toronto and she sometimes she gets a little apprehensible going back to the small lake country. So I want to talk to you about you. Because you grew up in a small town.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes. And so did you.

[John Ryan]

And then you moved.

[Sarah Colonna]

Regina's not as small as big town.

[John Ryan]

I want to talk about, like the differences between big cities and small towns or our experiences with them.

[Sarah Colonna]

Okay. Well, you don't. When, when I go back home, I remember like an ex boyfriend that he took back home with me. Sorry, John. Somebody that existed before you. But I remember he went back home with me and we were driving to my parents house. And Farmington, Arkansas is very small. It's right outside of Fayetteville. So it's right next to a big city, but it's a very small town. And you know this. Someone went by and waved. So I waved and he was like, do you know them? And I said, no, just what we do here, we wave at strangers.

[John Ryan]

You wave to everyone on the highway, and whenever you walk by someone on the sidewalk, you always say hi.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes.

[John Ryan]

Like in la, you'd probably get punched, but you. Whenever you walk by someone, you always say hi.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I don't think there's really any sidewalks in Farmington, but.

[John Ryan]

Okay, but you know what I mean.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yes, I know. I'm just.

[John Ryan]

You're walking across your field.

[Sarah Colonna]

I'm just kidding.

[John Ryan]

You, your dog, your cousin and your husband, all one person are walking across the field.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, good.

[John Ryan]

Oh, the classic Arkansas joke.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. A lot of that, though. Like, waving it at people when you go by. But it's nice. It's also very quiet. My parents live pretty far off the road. I mean, we joke around. I always joke around when, When John's out of town, and some of you have probably seen my Instagrams about it. When John's out of town, I have to take the trash out. Well, if I had to do that in Farmington, we'd be divorced because it's like, it's a long walk.

[John Ryan]

I don't think you would do well living in your, like, if we had a house like your parents and I had to go to town, I don't think you'd do well.

[Sarah Colonna]

What do you mean?

[John Ryan]

Like, you, you're just far enough away from other people that no one can hear you scream.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, that's true.

[John Ryan]

You know what I mean?

[Sarah Colonna]

Like, scared. Yeah.

[John Ryan]

You're kind of like out in the middle of nowhere. It's pretty dark. And I don't think you do well with that.

[Sarah Colonna]

No, last. I, I. In fact, last time I was there, I was, like, freaking out because I heard these coyotes. How they're loud. They're so loud and even. And I know that. I mean, it's not like they're coming in the house, it's a coyote, but it's just that. It's just creepy and you're just. It's dark and. Yeah. And nobody can hear you scream. That's true. It's going to be a safer place. But it feels. If I was there by myself at night, I would, I would, I'd psych myself up into a frenzy. For sure.

[John Ryan]

You grew up in a small town, but you weren't that far from Fayetteville, right? Like 15 minutes, 10 minutes.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. 15 minutes into Fayetteville. But when you're. Right, when you're growing up, you're going to school, high school. And stuff. It's like we didn't go into Fayetteville that often. Maybe on the weekends if we wanted to. Once we. Once we had cars and once we did, we used to cruise Fiesta Square, which was. There was movie. A movie theater and then. And a Hardee's and really nothing else. And people just drove around. You know how people know how we do and. But we would go. So when we were, you know, going out or something in high school and going to parties, they were always at random. Once we used to have parties at the power lines, which probably wasn't safe.

[John Ryan]

Sand pits for us. At the sand pits.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Well, that sounds more safe than the. The power lines.

[John Ryan]

Not when the cops found out where we like to party. They broke it up every Friday after that.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, yeah, well, there was always the cops. Usually. Yeah, this guy, Mort, I think he was his name. He was the cop. He would. He would find us and then we'd have to find a new place. And so then there was a place in the woods. There was a place by the creek. You know, you just gotta. You just keep going until they find you and they break out. Kids break it up. And then, well, shit, now we got to find more. Found us. Now we got to find a new place.

[John Ryan]

A big game of hide and seek with more 30 kids versus more.

[Sarah Colonna]

But there's. I mean, I love living in California. Are there aspects of it that are a nightmare there? That's everywhere, right? There's, there's, there's pluses and minuses to everybody, every place. And there's pluses and minuses to bigger cities versus smaller cities. I mean, we, we, we. Even though we're not the most social people in the world all the time, we, John and I, as you guys know, love to walk around our neighborhood. We love to go to the local wine bar. We love that we can walk to our grocery store. We can walk to a movie theater. We can walk to get coffee. We can walk to do really anything we need to do. For the most part.

[John Ryan]

We live in a small town within one of the biggest cities in the world.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, so that's what. Yeah, we've built our own little, Little city area, whatever. But I mean, it. We didn't build it, you guys know what I mean? But, and you can't. You know, in Farmington, you. I couldn't even. I mean, when we go home, like, my stepdad has to come get me at the. At the hotel if I'm going to see him. If I didn't rent a car and he, when we had my sister's bachelorette party, he had to pick us up at the end of the night because there's just not. I mean, there are now more Ubers. Fayetteville, because it's a college town. Yes. But they don't, for the most part, they're not taking you out to Farmington.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. It's funny because I just thought of that was like, when I went back to Regina, I went back to my hometown and played for two football seasons. And even though it's a. Obviously a way smaller city than LA, I, I drove 10 times, 20 times as much in a, In a small. Because I was like, I. I have a little community here where I walk everywhere.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

When you, when you first left Farmington, like, I mean, after college, after you left Arkansas, did you think that you'd go back or was this like, I'm moving to LA and it's over?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I don't. I think a little. There was, I think there was a big piece of Ignorance is bliss for me that when I moved. Because.

[John Ryan]

Same.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, because I just, I, I was like, this is it, I'm leaving. I mean, I'm, of course, always going back to visit my family. My family's always going to be there. But yeah, there was a. There was really not. I don't know what I was thinking, but I just was like, well, that was it. I'm pulled out of there with my U Haul and my Mustang and not going back. And. Because I always knew what I wanted to do. And then granted, it took me a really long time to get to where I was succeeding at what I wanted to do. And I was doing a lot of, like, little, you know, bartending for a very long time. And I had moments of feeling like it's never going to happen kind of thing. But my mom was actually the one that kept encouraging me. She was the one that said, you didn't move all the way out there just to turn around and, and, and say you're not, you know, not. It wasn't even really about coming back. It was about, should I have figured out something else? Should I figure out something else to do? Is this ever going to happen? And then. And she actually encouraged me, which I think a lot of. I'm lucky. I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying that. I know a lot of parents I know can encourage you, but also be a little bit more realistic and be like, yeah, you're probably going to be bartending until you're fucking 75.

[John Ryan]

Right?

[Sarah Colonna]

Like, that but she never said that.

[John Ryan]

I think you kind of need people like that in your corner though, you know, I think it's.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, yeah.

[John Ryan]

Saw something.

[Sarah Colonna]

My dad and my stepmom and my stepdad.

[John Ryan]

All you're going to be something special. Like you're not just giving up. Not that you were. You want to get up, but there's, you know, when you're going that long, it's. Sometimes it's hard to be like it's going to work out.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Did you ever think that you were going to go back? To what?

[John Ryan]

I 100% thought I was going to go back.

[Sarah Colonna]

Oh, you did?

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I was. I thought I was going to go back. Who? Well, it was, it was actually pretty close. It was within like five months of having to go back because people don't realize, but I'm. I'm Canadian. But I didn't get my green card until my last season in the NFL. Like it was. And it was only like a trial run green card or whatever you want to call it. It was like a probationary green card for two years. And that was in like October or no, maybe December. I was approved. October, I think I got November. December of my last season in the NFL. Had I gone over that, it would have been really hard for me to get it. And had I not met you, it would have been impossible to get it because I would. I was already in the process for like I was in the process for almost five years. I'd already paid tens of thousands of dollars and then I met you. And they're like, we might as well start over because now you have a better chance now that you're getting married. And even then it still took us two and a half years.

[Sarah Colonna]

So I read it for real. I mean, I knew this because I knew when, when, when your immigration lawyer said, actually now that you're getting married, it's going to be a little bit easier of a process for you than it was. But I never understood how you could be playing in the NFL and in paying Right. So much money in taxes and all that stuff, but playing, working here and not have it have translated over all that time.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. You'd almost think like eventually, like, you know, where you like naturalize or something, just because, I mean, you know, look it up. I paid millions and millions of dollars in taxes over my 12 year NFL career and I could have still got sent back to Canada. So I always kind of thought, until I met you, I always kind of thought that I'd live half the Year in Regina and then half in Arizona.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right. Because you'd be allowed to go.

[John Ryan]

Yeah.

[Sarah Colonna]

How many, how often are you, how long are you allowed to visit the States now? If you live in Canada, all if.

[John Ryan]

You'Re, if Canadians want you to be in the US It's, I think it's like six months minus a day. And I think Americans will let you be here for like eight months. But you don't ever want to go over that six months because you lose your health care in Canada. So literally like all these snowbirds that I always seen, they like have it on a calendar like to the frickin day, like they never go over because if they lose that health care, that's, I mean that's a major benefit of being Canadian is having that health care.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. So people are very, I mean it's, I understand that it's very difficult, but it's, it's, it's just, it's, it just feels like, oh, when you're working and you have a job that requires you to be here and you had the visa for. What's it called? What's the kind of visa call that you had for.

[John Ryan]

Oh, for what? I had a P1 which is like a performer, like a.

[Sarah Colonna]

Basically special talent.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, special talent. And then when I signed a long, I signed a long term contract to Seahawks, they got me like a five year one and it was something different, but it was so that when I had the one year one, it was like every year is a pain in the ass. Like I remember having to fly back to Canada for the night, then crossing back over to like get, get it renewed. Stuff like that was happening like all the time and it was just, it was the biggest pain in the ass.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

So thank God, finally, I'm not American, but I got a green card now and that's. I get, I have all the same rights as an American. I just can't vote, serve in the military or do jury duty. The jury duty one's pretty nice.

[Sarah Colonna]

I know it's funny because, because, because you do get. He still gets the notices. And then, and he was like, I don't understand. I thought I wasn't supposed to have to do jury duty because I'm not. And I said, you just got it. So for some reason they keep sending it to you. And then we just have to fill out the little box says I am not a US Citizen. And then they say, great, you don't have to come, but. And I know we shouldn't complain about jury duty. We know it's our Civic. You go every year, So I go every year. I go, I don't. And I never want to get selected. I come, I, I don't want to. I understand. Some people think it's really cool to get selected and good for you, and that's why there's, hopefully there's enough people that want to do it and I don't.

[John Ryan]

And they want to do it for the right reason.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I mean, I don't try to get. I, I, I can't. You can't? Really? People tell you to try to get out of it or say this or say that or say something awful, and it's just, I don't have the balls to do it, but I basically, I don't try to get out of it, but I just hope not to be selected. That's how I operate. And I never have been. I've gotten close and then they, well, you know, I get into the, I've gotten into the, the room, but then never really into the little. I don't think I've ever gotten into the little jury box. And then they've said it's always been like, oh, they don't need, or there's not enough cases today, or you just sit there all day and then you go home. But then the one that, when, the days that they do call you into a room and then, and then they say, oh, we're going to actually need you back tomorrow, and you're like, oh, boy. So we didn't. Anyway, it's real stressful. You're lucky you don't have to do it. But I'm grateful for the people that like to do it. I'd just be afraid I'd end up on, like, a murder trial and, and I don't know that I could. I think I, I don't know if I could handle it, like, the, the details you hear and things like that. Like, I just, well, I don't know if I have the, like, I was.

[John Ryan]

Wondering, people, like, I know that most trials are probably a couple days, maybe a week, but what if you get on, like, the freaking OJ Case, and all of a sudden you're just, like, locked away in a hotel for the next 400 days?

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

They can't watch, they can't watch the news. They can't do anything.

[Sarah Colonna]

Is that, is that right? Yeah, I guess.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. I don't think you can watch a news that influences your decision. Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

Talk about it. You can't talk about it with anyone during that, at least. And, yeah, you Definitely have. I think they definitely have to. That's when they. Because they'll consider the financial burden on people if it's does your work pay? And they kind of, I think they know how long they're going for. So they probably look for people who are either retired or self employed that can still somehow work. I don't know. They must, they must cons. I know they consider all that because they ask you if it's going to be a financial burden.

[John Ryan]

I know when I was a kid my mom could never go because she took care of us four kids at home and she ran in daycare. So it'd be like it would mess up a lot of families lives if she went. And then my dad was a psychologist and he worked with like troubled youth so he couldn't go.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right.

[John Ryan]

They wouldn't even, they wouldn't. He just would write it and they'd be like, you can't come.

[Sarah Colonna]

So what I should do is say that I run a daycare.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, well, we have three cats.

[Sarah Colonna]

You know, I feel like I would say, excuse me, who do you think is going to feed my three cats? Do you have an automatic feeder, ma'? Am? I do, but they really like their wet food and they really like to have it at a certain time of day.

[John Ryan]

They'd be like, bitch, sit down, we'll get to you later.

[Sarah Colonna]

So you thought you were going to go back because of your green card. That's, I mean, because you weren't going to be. You figured once you were out of the NFL you wouldn't have, you wouldn't have been, you wouldn't have a permanent green card and so you would have to go back.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, at that point I think, I don't know if it would have been impossible, but it would have been pretty close, which would have really sucked because like by that time I owned two baseball teams in the U.S. i had, you know, two rental properties and two homes that we stayed in and I had all my investment like my whole life because I literally had lived here since I was 24. So it was like everything was here and then to be like kicked out would have been shitty. But thank God it worked out. Wow, it was close.

[Sarah Colonna]

Seems like someone had a little plan when they met me.

[John Ryan]

We said our nine year wedding anniversary. Okay, if that was my plan, I screwed up.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, that's true, you did. I can't really. But, but would you. Okay, so you go home a lot because just back to sort of like small town versus. I know that there's times that you really, you, like, will be candid. Like, very much dislike living in California. There are times you. Yeah, you do.

[John Ryan]

Yeah, I do.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's expensive.

[John Ryan]

The tax is here. The prices of things. Sometimes I'm like, you're just gouging me because we're in California.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah.

[John Ryan]

Like, if I got the same. In fact, we have a rental home in Canada and I'll get like a plumbing bill there. Like, they have to come out, like, oh, so sorry. It's going to be 125 bucks. I'm like, they won't even knock on my door for under 550 in California. Like, oh, and it's Canadian, So it's like $80. I'm like, but stuff like that just drives. It's like, we're getting gouged so badly here. But it's a beautiful place to live. At the end of the day. I love it. I can. But once a month I have a breakdown when I get like a bill for tens of thousands of dollars that I owe in taxes or something crazy like that. I have a mental breakdown and tell you that we should leave. But then it always comes back. But when I go back. Here's the thing I love and I hate about going back home is my hometown, Regina. It's like it's 200,000 people. Maybe a little bit above that now. There's no suburbs, no surrounding area, just the one town but people. When I always said to be like, well, that's pretty big, I'm like, but it felt. It always felt like a small town to me. And I think you saw me there because I would say almost everyone that's born there dies there. And I think it's so. It feels like everyone is like 4th, 5th, 6th, 10th generation from there. Everyone knows everybody. And it's not a bad thing. It's because it's like, there's so much opportunity there. Like, if you want to go to University right after 12th grade, go to a really good university right in town there. And right after that, there's so much need for jobs. You get a job right out of there and you're set. Or like right out of 12th grade, you can get a job. Not a job. You get like a career because it's a government town. So you get a job with like SaskTel, SAS Power, SASK Insurance, Sasktel or whatever. It's not just a job, it's a career. You're like 19 years old and you already have, like, you know, obviously have full medical. You already set up a retirement plan. So people tend to stay there. And so because of that, sometimes when I go back, sometimes you just want to go and like maybe have a beer or go to the grocery store. You can't go anywhere without someone knowing you. No, like, absolutely. And not because I played football. That has nothing to do with that. People that I was.

[Sarah Colonna]

Well, that. It's part of it. It definitely is part of it because especially since you played for Saskatchewan too.

[John Ryan]

But for me, when I go back now, sometimes that doesn't annoy me, but it's hard for me to like. Because people come up to me like, Joe, how you doing? And they forget that, like maybe because they see me on TV or whatever, but. But I haven't seen them in 19 years, so I've slowly evolved and they just, they see that evolution. But I haven't seen them in 19 years, so I have no clue who I'm talking to.

[Sarah Colonna]

Right. Well. And also I think you have to keep in mind too because your mom is so active in the community. So it's like they also know and your, and your, and your brother in law's in politics there and like, you know, so there's. So that your family is also well known there. And you know, John's mom is like, does so much charity work for that city. It's amazing. And so I think that's another thing is your sort of family's name is just in the world there. So sometimes it is probably people that know your mom or you know, saw you at her house when you were five. And then of course you're not gonna. So it's that aspect of it, it.

[John Ryan]

Makes you feel bad, like someone's talking to me and I don't remember their name. But anyways, you can't go anywhere. So it's. Even though it's a bigger. I mean It's a city, 200,000 people. But you've been back there with me. It feels like a small town. In a good way.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah. It's interesting because when I go back to Fayetteville, I mean every once in a while I run into people I know, somebody I went to college with that still lives there, or somebody I went to high school with that still lives there. We always try to see my friend Brian that lives there. He's the one person I'm in touch with from high school. But a lot of my college friends moved away and that's who I stayed more like closer to. Two of them live here in Los Angeles. But most of the people I went to high school with, I Just didn't really keep in contact with once I went to college. Cause we just weren't. They didn't go with me, so I just didn't. I was in the theater department and just made, you know, new friends at that age. And. And so I don't really run into people that I went to high school with when I'm there, because Farmington isn't. There's not bars and restaurants. There's.

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

There's grocery store and fast food and there's a gas station in high school. Like, I'm not saying it's. It's bigger than it was when I was there, but there's not. Like, when you go out, you go out into Fayetteville and then that's a lot bigger. And there's a lot. There's college kids. There's, you know, it's a lot more going on. So it is weird because I really don't run into web perform there. A couple of years ago, some people I went to high school with came and that was super fun because I hadn't seen a lot of them and I knew most of them right away. Most of them are. I'm at least friends with on Facebook or they just looked like themselves just, you know, years later, like I do. So. But other than that, it's kind of funny. I don't. Because when we go into Farmington, I just go to my mom's and.

[John Ryan]

Right.

[Sarah Colonna]

It's not like there's nowhere to really go and run into people unless they happen to maybe at the, at the Cardinal Cafe. Picking up. Picking up a soda.

[John Ryan]

Yeah. There you go.

[Sarah Colonna]

All right. Well, I know you had something else you wanted to talk about.

[John Ryan]

We have time next, parents. We have time next.

[Sarah Colonna]

Yeah, I think it's a little more. It's. It's about parents and stuff. So I think. Because that's a big part of this book. So, yeah, it's probably. We'll save it for next week because I feel like it's a bigger conversation than we have time for. But it'll be very fun. So don't forget to join us on Patreon for $5 a month for the short stories, the extra content. This month we're adding in the extra. The. The bonus chapter that Carly Fortune wrote for Meet Me at the Lake. Don't forget July, August, August book. Alice Feeney, Sometimes I Lie. The Patreon, which will be out. If you're listening to this on the Monday, the Patreon for the short story will be out tomorrow. And that was Death Row by Freedom Fadden. And it was a mind twist.

[John Ryan]

It was a really good short story.

[Sarah Colonna]

It really was. Yeah. We didn't speak the whole time we were listening to it. I mean that's how you're supposed to do with when you're listening to a short story to anything on Audible, I guess. But it got us, it got us through a good hour and a half drive did. Thank you guys. And if you would like to help us out in a free way instead of joining Patreon, if you can't do that, please give us a little review wherever you listen. I think Apple and Spotify are the ones that allow a little note that you could write about why you like us. Say something nice. 5 stars. Subscribe, tell your friends. That's a good way to help us too. Thank you.

[John Ryan]

Thank you.

[Sarah Colonna]

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