When Your Body Speaks — What is your body trying to tell you? - Lisa Whittle

Summary

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Episode Overview

Podcast: The Candace Cameron Bure Podcast
Episode: When Your Body Speaks — What is your body trying to tell you?
Guests: Candace Cameron Bure (Host), Lisa Whittle (Author, Speaker, Bible Teacher)
Date: September 9, 2025

Theme/Purpose:
This episode explores the profound connection between our emotional and spiritual lives and the physical signals or manifestations in our bodies. By sharing personal stories, Scriptural insights, and therapeutic perspectives, Candace and Lisa encourage listeners to listen to what their bodies may be communicating about internal struggle, relational hurt, trauma, or unresolved issues. The emphasis is on moving toward healing, reconciliation, and greater freedom through self-awareness, faith, and practical steps.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why This Topic Matters (03:23–05:00)

• Season Significance: Candace shares that this season, focused on "whole body theology" and a "glory mindset," feels particularly freeing and meaningful because these are issues she thinks about often and seeks joy and healing.
• Faith & Worth: Candace emphasizes learning to find her value and worth in God.
  • “We can all have freedom within our bodies and know who God is and the love that he for us.” (04:08, Candace)

2. Lisa’s Journey to Teaching & Ministry (05:17–08:49)

• Reluctant Calling: Lisa describes growing up as a pastor’s kid (PK), her rebellious phase, and aversion to ministry due to her dad’s public ministry fall. Despite this, God’s call led her into Bible teaching.
  • “I was a prodigal for a while... I loved Jesus, but I also loved me... I didn’t want to be on display.” (05:41–07:56, Lisa)
• From Design to Discipleship: Lisa originally wanted to be an interior designer, studied psychology, and only started teaching and writing when she co-authored a book with her mom.

3. “The Body Keeps the Score”: Introducing Psychosomatic Connection (09:00–09:30)

• Discussion centers around the book The Body Keeps the Score—a seminal text on trauma’s physical impact—which, though clinical, affirms what the Bible has long stated.
  • “That’s like the Bible of, you know, clinicians in a lot of ways.” (09:27, Lisa)

4. How Emotions, Relationships, and Trauma Manifest Physically (10:00–18:58)

• Biblical Foundation: The hosts discuss how relationships—especially within the ‘body of Christ’—can lead to somatic symptoms if hurt, anger, or disunity are unresolved.
  • “You cannot separate your body from the body.” (10:31, Lisa)
• Lisa’s Rash Story (11:08–14:22, see detailed story below).
• Physical Symptoms as Spiritual Signals: Candace shares how stress causes her cystic acne and how she inventories life events when her body reacts.
  • “I always have to stop and think and go, what is going on in my life right now?” (17:13, Candace)
• Scripture Corroborates Science: Lisa points out passages like Psalm 32, Psalm 38, and Proverbs 14 & 17, which mention bones rotting or being dried up due to bitterness, anger, or unconfessed sin.
  • “The Bible said it first. Yeah, the Bible informed science.” (15:59, Lisa)

Notable Story: Lisa’s Rash & Bitterness

• Timestamp: [11:08–14:22]
• Lisa recounts a personal season of bitterness toward her husband, compiling a list of grievances. God convicted her to delete the list, and—coincidentally or not—her unexplained leg rash disappeared.
  • “When I stopped making that list and I got rid of it, the rash went away.” (14:19, Lisa)
  • “Get out. The rash was a manifestation of your bitterness?” (14:22, Candace)
• Lisa clarifies she’s not saying every health issue is emotional but encourages listeners not to discount the mind-body-soul connection.

5. Visceral Reactions & Trauma Triggers (22:15–36:19)

• Shutting Down: Lisa describes how, due to frequent childhood moves, she learned to emotionally cut people off (“stalemating”)—a coping mechanism that later led to physical and physiological signals in adulthood (sweating, shaking, detachment).
  • “The Lord really said to me, I want you to show up when you want to shut down, but you’ve got to recognize in your body when your body’s shutting down.” (23:51–24:44, Lisa)
• Candace’s Triggers:
  • Dry mouth and sweating before public speaking, even as a professional.
    • “When my body gets nervous, all of the moisture goes out of it...” (27:15, Candace)
  • Panic attack on return to NYC post-The View exit, triggered by memory of past trauma.
    • “My heart started—I thought my heart was legit going to beat out of my body, and I started hyperventilating.” (32:27, Candace)
  • Avoiding a specific Vancouver hotel due to eating disorder associations.
    • “...that hotel is just a trigger for my eating disorder.” (35:31, Candace)

6. Moving from Symptoms to Spiritual & Relational Solutions (36:19–41:38)

• Awareness Before Supplements: Lisa shares a study about how emotional and physical pain overlap neurologically—relationship fractures can cause stress hormones to create real physical symptoms (headaches, stomach problems, sleep issues).
  • “A breach in relationship is emotional, but it’s also physical because we are body and soul.” (39:02, Lisa)
• Reconnect & Reconcile: Both encourage that while supplements and self-care are good, the first step to health is often doing the hard relational work—reconciling, forgiving, or at least processing and releasing.
  • “What if we also—or even first—reconnected with some people we need to...” (39:41, Lisa)
  • “I'm like, yeah, I know. I need to talk to that person. I really do. It actually—eats me up inside every day.” (40:09, Candace)

7. Confrontation, People Pleasing, and Spiritual Growth (41:38–46:53)

• Confrontation Styles & Growth: Lisa differentiates between avoiding and actually loving through healthy confrontation.
  • “If I love you enough, I'm gonna fight for it.” (42:33, Lisa)
  • “Preserving things and protecting yourself, that's not love. It's not. It's also not biblical. It is biblical to go to your brother or sister.” (43:02, Lisa)
• Desire for Freedom: Lovingly speaking truth and addressing breaches—even if hard—leads to spiritual growth, freedom, and greater usability for God.
  • “How much do you want freedom?” (43:53, Lisa)
  • “At the end of the day, I win... I become more usable.” (45:52, Lisa)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You cannot separate your body from the body.” (10:31, Lisa Whittle)
• “When I stopped making that list and I got rid of it, the rash went away.” (14:19, Lisa Whittle)
• “Get out. The rash was a manifestation of your bitterness?” (14:22, Candace Cameron Bure)
• “The Bible said it first. Yeah, the Bible informed science.” (15:59, Lisa Whittle)
• “I always have to stop and think and go, what is going on in my life right now?” (17:13, Candace Cameron Bure)
• “A breach in relationship is emotional, but it’s also physical because we are body and soul.” (39:02, Lisa Whittle)
• “If I love you enough, I will fight for you and for us.” (42:24, Lisa Whittle)
• “Preserving things and protecting yourself, that's not love. It's not. It's also not biblical.” (43:02, Lisa Whittle)
• “How much do you want freedom?” (43:53, Lisa Whittle)

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Listener Q&A (47:07–52:45)

Q1: How do we stop the anxiety in our minds?

(47:07–48:03)

• Renewal of the Mind: Refer to Romans 12:2 about transformation by renewing the mind.
• Professional Help: Know the difference between situational anxiety and chronic clinical anxiety—and seek appropriate support.
• Scripture for Anxiety:
  • 1 Peter 5:7 (“Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you”)
  • Psalm 94:19
  • Matthew 6:25–34

Q2: What’s one thing you do for your mental health every day?

(49:19–50:37)

• Lisa: Nightly bubble bath, candles, worship music—a calming self-care ritual.
• Candace: Movement—exercising, walking, fresh air—to clear her mind and set the tone for the day.

Q3: How do you become a “half glass full” kind of person?

(51:07–52:45)

• Lisa: Naturally more half glass empty, but finds it helpful to keep the question “What’s the best thing that could happen?” visible at home to redirect her perspective.
• Candace: Innately optimistic—encourages taping positive reminders on your fridge or in visible spots.

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Key Timestamps

• [03:23] Season’s importance, whole body theology
• [05:17] Lisa’s journey to becoming a Bible teacher
• [09:00] Discussion of The Body Keeps the Score
• [11:08] Lisa’s rash and emotional connection
• [15:59] Scriptural foundation for body-soul connection
• [17:13] Candace on stress-related acne
• [22:15] Lisa discusses shutting down, trauma coping mechanisms
• [27:15] Candace’s public speaking nerves—physical effects
• [32:27] Candace’s panic attack after The View exit
• [35:31] Candace’s hotel trigger for eating disorder
• [39:02] Study on emotional and physical pain
• [41:38] Lisa & Candace on confrontation and growth
• [47:07] Listener Q&A: Anxiety, mental health practices
• [51:07] Listener Q&A: Half glass full outlook

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Your body often signals what your heart and mind haven’t yet addressed—emotional and relational wounds can become physical symptoms.
• The Bible predates science in recognizing the soul-body connection, and living with unresolved hurt can keep you from freedom.
• Awareness and curiosity about your body’s signals are essential—honor them as invitations to deeper healing, not just problems to fix.
• Steps to health include addressing relational breaches, seeking reconciliation, and loving confrontation, underpinned by Scriptural wisdom and, when appropriate, professional care.
• Everyday self-care and mental habits help maintain a foundation of wellness, but freedom is found in both soul work and body work.

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Transcript

[Candace Cameron Bure]

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[Lisa Whittle]

When I stopped making that list and I got rid of it, the rash went away.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Get out. The rash was a manifestation of your bitterness.

[Lisa Whittle]

I don't know. You draw the conclusion.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

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[Lisa Whittle]

Hi.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

We're back.

[Lisa Whittle]

We are back.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Can you believe that we're over halfway?

[Lisa Whittle]

It has flown by.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And been amazing. It really has it. And also hard.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Totally. I mean, I, I, I have loved all my seasons for various reasons, you know, and all of my guest co hosts have been amazing. I mean, my family was on, too. My husband, my kids. Like all of it.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

But this season is just particularly special and meaningful to me because it's a subject that I think about way too much and one that doesn't always bring joy in my life, and yet I have found where the joy comes from. And I'm, I'm just, I'm passionate about it, and I'm passionate about sharing the message that we can all have freedom within our bodies and, and know who God is and the love that he for us. And we're talking about whole body theology and having that foundation and a glory mindset. And I just. This season has felt so freeing. It's just felt. I mean, it's been such a blessing. And so I'm so grateful that you're here. And we, I mean, we still have half of a season left, but I just want you to know that I'm so grateful, and I've enjoyed every conversation that we've had, and I've been learning so much from you. And just all of that reinforcement to, to find my value and my worth in God is so powerful and meaningful. And I'm just happy for everyone that's watching and listening, too.

[Lisa Whittle]

Thank you, Candace. You bringing me in has meant so much to me. It's been such a blessing. When I first started writing Body and Soul, and, like, the Lord was teaching me, I felt like I was in school. I did. I felt like I'm, Like I'm in seminary.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Can you tell me again? Like, or. Because I don't even think I asked you. When did you know you wanted to be a Bible teacher? When did you decide, like, that was the route? Because your dad was a pastor. And so I feel like PK kids, like, or PK's.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yes, they.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

They go. They go one way or another. A pastor's kid. I feel like, you know, they can become prodigals or they're following in the footsteps. So what was that for you?

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah, I was a prodigal for a while. Here's the weird thing about me, Candace. I fell so deeply in love with Jesus at a very young age. Like, I loved him desperately. This is what I say. I love Jesus, but I also loved me. This was the rub of my life. And when I say that, what I mean was I was sort of like this wild, stubborn, rebellious soul. Like, I wanted to do my own thing. And then you add to that the fact that my dad had this very public ministry fall when I was a young woman, and it really kind of messed me up in my brain because there was so much that was mixed in with that. You know, I was confused. I was like, you know, what's real, what's not real? And as a person who values truth and what's real? And, you know, when you add Jesus in the mix of all of that, that's a. That's a hard fall. So just the very short story is I didn't want anything to do with ministry because I lived in a glass house, and I saw how that worked out, you know, and so I didn't want to be on display. I didn't want any of those things. The problem was at about you know, 23, 22, I felt this call of God on my life. I knew he wanted me to do something. Now, I did not know he wanted me to write books, teach the Bible, any of that. But when you have some of that in your DNA, like my father's preaching DNA, it runs deep in my blood. It does. I can. I feel his hand movements. I can. Like, I can feel it when I get up to preach. Like, I can feel it, but it's in there. But there was. I didn't. I wanted nothing to do with the stage. I was. I was the little girl who would crawl under the table out of shyness when my dad was a pastor and people would come talk to our family because, you know, pastor's family. I was like, I don't want anyone to talk to me because I'm an introvert. I'm actually not an extrovert at all. So I didn't want anyone to talk to me. I. I don't like Spotlight, none of that.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And so, yeah, I didn't want ministry, so I wanted to be an interior designer is what I wanted to do. And.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Oh, how do you like our new set?

[Lisa Whittle]

I love it. Yes. I love design. I love creating all that.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Got it.

[Lisa Whittle]

So, yeah. So. But I went to seminary when I was 23. I was going to go into marriage and family counseling because I love psychology.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

But anyway, pivoted, God changed my course. I got married, and I was about to go to design school when I taught my first Wednesday night Bible study class with my mother. She was an author, by the way. And so we taught a class together. And that was the first time that someone said, oh, you know, you guys need to write a book. And so my mom and I co authored our first book together. That was the way I got into it. But still, Candace wasn't thinking, maybe I'll write books, maybe I'll be a Bible teacher. None of that. It's been a long road, so. Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Wow. Thanks for sharing that.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I. Yeah. I just love hearing your story.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I want to know more, though. We're gonna talk after.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Well, today we're talking about the Body Keeps Score, or the Body Keeps the Score. And that's the name of a book.

[Lisa Whittle]

It is, right. Yes. Have you read that book? Yes, it's been a while. But it's a great. It's a great book. But it comes from a clinical perspective, obviously. So. Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah. When I was doing some therapy, some intensive therapy a couple of years ago, that was like the main book they were asking everyone to read.

[Lisa Whittle]

I think it's kind of like the Bible of, you know, clinicians in a lot of ways.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah. And I still haven't read it. However, I would like to read it, but I just haven't. But we're. We're talking about how. How trauma and things and words and visuals, how our body actually reacts to that. And especially when it comes to people in our lives and the relationships that we have, that our body reacts to what we feel can be trauma or just being disheartened or, you know, having difficult relationships.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah. And I think in particular, our relationships with brothers and sisters in Christ, because I think a lot of us have gone through our life and we've thought, you know, oh, this is just a problem I'm having with someone, or I'm jealous of someone or angry. And we don't think about the way that it manifests in our body or the problem that we have with our individual self. But the way that God created us is to operate, yes, as an individual body, but within the larger body of Christ. And so, again, this is sort of a symptom of our compartmentalization of, oh, you know, this is just my life over here. But you cannot separate your body from the body. If you understand whole body theology and the way that God made us to be created for unity in the body of Christ. And so that's really what we're talking about. I know.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

So hard.

[Lisa Whittle]

But it's important.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

It's so important.

[Lisa Whittle]

I'll give you an example.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

So sometime back, I noticed that I had a rash on my leg and it was itchy and red and it just kind of came up. But it was around the same time that I was really fighting a lot of feelings of bitterness, particularly towards my husband. I was. We've been married almost 30 years and I know we're, we're similar in marriage length. I had been remembering a lot. I was going through the season of my marriage where I was remembering a lot of things that I was mad at him for. It was kind of coming back to me. You know, when kids leave the home, you have more time to think.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And things that you've sort of like pushed aside for years because you're just busy, you're going to ball games, you're doing all these things. And now suddenly I think this is why people that are empty nesters kind of have problems. You think, why would someone, you know, divorce after 25 years or whatever? Well, because you, you're. You're parenting all these years and you're busy, and then all of a sudden, oh, wow. Now I'm dealing with, with all the things that I wasn't thinking about for all these years. So I was going through this period of time where the house is quiet and I'm thinking about all the things I'm mad at him for all these years, and in particular when our kids were small. And so I thought, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to make a list because I'm a list maker. Are you a list maker?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah, I do like lists.

[Lisa Whittle]

Okay. So I'm like, I'm going to make a list. So I went in my notes app, I have so many notes, by the way, in my notes app, I have like 6,000. But I'm like, I'm going to make a list of all the things that I'm mad at him for. Because in my mind that was a good thing because I was going to take them to our counselor and I was going to work through them because I'm like, if he doesn't know. And we, my husband and I had even had this discussion. Like, he was like, I want to know what you're so mad about. Because he knew I was mad. We were very, very open dialogue in relationship, and he wanted to know and So I thought, well, I'm going to let him know. I'm going to write these things down. And so, I mean, Candace, the list got long. It got long and I was going to take it to the counselor. And one day the Lord spoke to my heart and said, I want you to throw out the list. And I thought, well, that would be dumb because I need to take this to the counselor because we've got to work through this. But I knew I had not misheard God. Yeah, I need you to throw the list out. And it was even more. It was like, I'm going to help you work through your bitterness. Side note, what's interesting is the Lord has given me some opportunity in ways that I do not prefer in the last year or so to work through bitterness in ways that have really been hard, not related to my husband, to work through bitterness because he's really good like that. He'll help you in a lot of ways. But interestingly, when I stopped making that list and I got rid of it, the rash went away.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Get out the rash. Rash was a manifestation of your bitterness?

[Lisa Whittle]

I don't know.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

You think you draw the conclusion? Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

Could it have been a. Could it have been a coincidence? Maybe. I don't know. Rashes come and go. I don't typically get rashes on my leg.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right.

[Lisa Whittle]

I don't remember a time a rash has randomly come up. I don't have a lot of skin conditions.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

So what I'm saying is, I'm not telling you that your chronic health issue is because you have a broken relationship in the body, because you've had church hurt, because you've been mad at the church for 25 years. I'm not telling you that. I would never say that because I don't speak things like that that I don't know anything about. I am not a physician, I'm not a psychologist, any of that. What I'm telling you is don't disregard that. Don't say it's not possible.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

Because our bodies are connected to our souls.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right.

[Lisa Whittle]

We are not parsed out. We are one whole body. We are body, mind and spirit. We are not divided people. And so it is possible that things that you are carrying physical manifestations could be because of ongoing chronic things that you are right dealing with, whether it be. Whether it be broken things with. With people, whether it be anger issues, whether it be Bittern. I mean, there is biblical proof of this. I'm not speaking things that are not biblical because that is not what I would ever do.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Think about literally thinking of every rash I've ever had right now. Going through the rash count.

[Lisa Whittle]

No, but listen to this. In Lamentations, Jeremiah describes his broken bron. Broken bones due to bitterness. Psalm 32 says, Unconfessed sins make bones old and rotten. Psalm 38:3 says that sins cause bones to have no rest. Proverbs 14 talks about anger rotting the bones. And Proverbs 17:22 tells us a broken spirit dries up the bones. Now there's. There, that's just a few verses. Yeah. So we have got to pay attention. Body keeps the score. Listen, that's a sign, you know, that's. That's a book written from, from a psychologist perspective and all that stuff, which is a fantastic book. But the Bible said it first. Yeah, the Bible informed science. And so we've got to know that a lot of things that are happening is because we've got body of Christ issues. You've got ought toward your brother. You've got issues with your brother and sister. We know that that can. That led in scripture to. To murder. You want to talk about what it can. What can happen? So that's what I'm talking about.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah. Oh, that's so good. I mean, I think of really simple things in terms of when I'm highly stressed. I get cystic acne on my chin because that's like, it's hormonal. That's what they say, it's hormonal. It's in very specific places. And when I'm always like, oh, why did I just get it? And it's. I'm not talking about just a rando zit. I'm talking about like deep, deep cystic acne. And it hurts. And I always have to stop and think and go, what is going on in my life right now? It's not about, oh, did I have too much sugar last night? Because that's not what this cystic acne is. And I'm always taking inventory of the stressors in my life or what has happened. Sometimes I'm like, I mean, I'm working hard, but I don't know that anything's super stressful right now. But sometimes I just don't even realize the accumulation. It's like you sitting, like, writing those books and almost punishing your body. Like you don't even even realize because you're just in it. That sometimes I'm like, oh, wow. I actually. There's a lot going on in my life right now, and my body's reacting to. Didn't even.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah, right.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I mean, I do think about that, but I didn't even. I didn't. I never really thought about the Scripture.

[Lisa Whittle]

Right. I mean, because we read that. So we're reading through the proverbs, we're reading through the Psalm and we're like, yes. You know.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah. You just think it's a good Brandon Lake song. Like, it dries up the bones. Like, you know.

[Lisa Whittle]

Glad you brought that up because we're going to talk about that in another episod episode. Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

So, but yes, it's true though, right?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

We're.

[Lisa Whittle]

So we're going along and we're reading, you know, and we don't think about it, but it's not in there because of happenstance. The Bible's inspired. It's true. It informs science.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

So this is why, I mean, what I'm so excited about with these shows is I know that people are going to develop a whole body theology and then from that they're going to have this whole level of understanding for why of a lot of things. And then they'll maybe go to therapy and they'll, you know, invest in, you know, trainers when. And do exercise, but they'll do it with this theological underpinning and they'll be like, oh, it all makes sense to me now.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

You know, I'm working out differently. I'm eating differently, I'm, you know, I am operating differently. Because here's the thing. What God cares about is us, the whole of us. So he cares that you and I are sisters, that we love each other, that we cheer for each other, that we aren't broken in relationship. He cares about our bodies, he cares about our souls, he cares about our minds, he cares about our spirits. So the way we operate towards each other is super important. And that we recognize each other in our imago dayness and the way we treat everyone else in the same way that there's no room for us to abuse other image bearers. Like the way that we as Christians have treated other image bearers and have marked the name of Christ is egregious. Yeah. And that's obviously a whole other issue. But that is important because we bear his image and we are walking around in our bodies and we're all that is the representation of Him. And so can you just imagine how our God feels to watch Christians eat each other alive? Yeah. What must that be like? So we're image bearers. We're in the church together where we're going to be worshiping God for eternity, side by side, and we're over here being jealous of one another. Mm. I mean, that just doesn't even. That just doesn't even jive. That doesn't even work.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I know, but some people are like, yeah, but those are just human feelings. Or, that person really wronged me and they really hurt me.

[Lisa Whittle]

And okay, feelings are valid. Feelings are important. And God didn't create us as robots. He could have. But feelings are not our God. They are not to tell us how to operate and what to do. They are meant to be a signal and a sign and a gauge as to what to take care of. One of the things I talked about in my book, the Hard Good, was this very thing. I had never really regarded any of the signals my body was giving me that I was shutting down. I am a person that is very good at stalemating people. If I want to wait.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Stalemating?

[Lisa Whittle]

Like cutting off.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Just cutting them off. Oh, okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

And part of it.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I know a few people that are really good at that, too. And part of that's not me.

[Lisa Whittle]

I'm gonna tell you why.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Tell me.

[Lisa Whittle]

Because my whole life, I moved around a lot. I mean, all of us have. Have stories, right? So my story was when my dad got bored or kind of got, like, tense or the squeeze when he was serving at a church, we just moved. He was just like, I think God's calling me now to California, so let's move. So I was always moving. And so it became a part of my. The need for me to survive emotionally, to be able to say goodbye to people.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right.

[Lisa Whittle]

Like, I had to do that because I moved 10 times by the time I was in sixth grade.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

So I had to be able to say goodbye to people. It was a skill. And so, you know, you come into your adulthood, and that skill's great because I don't get attached to, like, a house that I could move tomorrow, even when I've just designed.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yep.

[Lisa Whittle]

The negative of that is if I need to say goodbye to someone, I can. I have to. Now, I have worked on that to where I understand that easy come, easy go is not good. And the older I get, the more I. I treasure people in my life.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

But there was a point in my life where it was. It was a. It was sort of a defense mechanism to say, I'm going to leave you before you leave me. One, my heart can't take it. And two, this is a necessary skill that I've learned how to do, so I will say goodbye, and we. I will be fine.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

You're not saying goodbye to Me, Lisa.

[Lisa Whittle]

I'm not. No, I'm not. No, definitely not. So. But I realized that that was a shutting down thing for me. And. And so the Lord really said to me, I want you to show up when you want to shut down, but you've got to recognize in your body when your body's shutting down. So when someone would. When I would sense that someone wasn't safe, because for me, safety is a big thing. Trust is a big thing. When I would sense that someone was not safe that I thought, oh, they're going to be a gossip, or they're going to tell my business, or they're going to not tell me the truth, I would immediately start to shut down, and I would give very clipped answers. I would start to sweat. I would start to distance myself from them in a room. But I didn't pay attention to that for a long time.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

And so these are things that we have to start noticing. What I also noticed about myself is if there was someone at church that I particularly didn't like or immediately on my radar discerned that they were not real, because that's very big for me. Discernment gift is great, but also terrible because sometimes it can be just my opinion. It can go really wonky. And so. But sometimes if I really. I knew they weren't someone who was great, I would have this visceral reaction of like, oh, this is not good. And I would immediately, like, my hands would shake. We have a lot of visceral reactions sometimes to things. The other thing that I would have a visceral reaction to in church was due to some of the issues that I had with some church trauma from my father being indicted by the irs. Oh, I did very.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I don't know the history of your dad, just.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yes, well. And that's. I'm just.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Frankly speaking, I just dropped out.

[Lisa Whittle]

I didn't know.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I know. So I'm like, okay, but.

[Lisa Whittle]

But this is what the public fall. I was talking about when I was introduced to.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yes, okay, I see.

[Lisa Whittle]

When you've had that kind of church trauma, there's a lot of people, perhaps a lot of people listening that have had church hurt is what we often call it when you walk into a church. And I've done a lot of work in the church. I love the church, and I have a very healthy relationship with the church. It's where I spend my life ministering, which is the irony and the beauty of God. But there have been times when I would walk in and something would be very programmatic and I would have this visceral reaction. Like this feels very stale. This feels very much like a program that I can't co sign to. I want this to be real because for me those were the kinds of things that led my dad to get into some sin because he was just really good at his job and that led him to sort of be a stage guy.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And so I think the important thing here is to recognize when you're having a visceral reaction to something. So what about you? Have you ever had things like that where you can notice a visceral reaction to anything?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Oh, I certainly do. I'm trying to think if there have been any in the church specifically around that and those aren't coming to mind. But I think one that a lot of people can relate to. Even though I am a public person and I never really have a problem, I don't have a problem speaking on stage in front of thousands, tens of thousands of people. However, I don't feel nervous but. But my body really reacts to nerves and then usually after a minute or two it shuts down. But I walk out on a stage with a huge water bottle because. And even during the show I will drink several cups of water or whatever because I get the worst dry mouth. When my body gets nervous, all of the moisture goes out of it. So I get immediate dry mouth and I sweat badly. I mean, Priscilla and I talked about. Priscilla Shire.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

When she was on about the underar pads that we would, you know, put under our jackets, our shirts, whatever. Because especially in the beginning of speaking at churches, the sweat was real. Yeah, it was real. So those are things and I still deal with that. I really. It's so gross. But I. Dry mouth is probably the worst thing for me and I know when I'm really nervous because my heart will pound very, very quickly and then all the moisture out of everything in my body just disappears. Like so many of you, I have seasons where stress, low energy and feeling off balance start to take a toll physically and emotionally. That's why it's important to find real effective support for your health. I found it through new ethics and it's making a huge difference in my life. Lately I've been loving a few supplements from newethics. I've been taking court ease every day for the last seven months. It's helped me manage stress a healthy way and stay centered throughout the day. New D3 plus K2 supports my immune system and bone health. Both things we want to stay on top of as we get older. And they also make a great greens product called Gourmet Greens that tastes delicious because it doesn't taste like bitter greens. There's an espresso flavor, but I'm not a coffee drinker so I got the berry blend and you can taste the blueberries, blackberries and raspberries. It's fruity, but it's not too sweet. It's packed with antioxidants, digestive support New Ethic Screens are designed to promote natural energy and overall wellness. Taking care of my health is a top priority. I think you know that. I want to be proactive in finding supplements that support my body in a clean, honest way that I feel good about. And I know you do too. Visit newethics.com the link is in the show notes and don't forget to use my code Candice for a special discount at checkout. I don't know about you, but I love to colorfully mark up my Bible and Mr. Pen is the company dedicated to creating pens and highlighters specifically to be used in your Bible. How cute is this? The ink doesn't bleed through the page and there are so many color palettes to choose from paired with their other products like transparent sticky tape, sticky notes and tabs and washi tape and you can create the perfect combinations to make studying Scripture and even more meaningful experience. With over 1 million 5 star reviews on Amazon, they are the most popular Bible highlighters and pens on the market. That's why I use them. Whether you're looking to deepen your faith through study and reflection or or simply need a reliable pen for taking notes During a sermon, Mr. Penn has you covered. To get 10 off your first Mr. Pen order, go to Candacepens.com Join me in diving into the Word in 2025. Go to Candicepens.com to get 10% off your Mr. Penn order. I want to share something that's really special with you. There's a brand new, beautifully hand drawn 2D animated movie called Light of the World. It tells the story of Jesus through the eyes of John, his youngest disciple. It's truly breathtaking, like stepping into the great greatest story ever told in a whole new light. What I love most is that this is a film for the whole family. From kids to grandparents. Everyone can experience the story of Jesus together. And it's not just entertainment, it's part of a ministry with every ticket supporting future projects that share the story of Jesus. Light of the World is already out in theaters, so gather your family, your friends, your children, church and go see it together on the big screen. I promise it will encourage your faith and inspire your heart. Head to lightoftheworld.com to watch the trailer and find a theater near you. Let's shine the light of the world together.

[Lisa Whittle]

So what about what you were telling me about when you left the View?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay, so this is a. This is a really big one. When I left the View, my very last episode, it was under some really difficult, traumatic circumstances for me. And I. I had left. I got on a plane and I was home. The. There's so much more that happened after that. But I'm going to cut to the next time I went back to New York, which was several months later. I got off the plane and I was going to do something fun in New York. I got off the plane and when I got into the car to drive to the hotel, I had my first panic attack. My heart started. I thought my heart was legit going to beat out of my body, and I started hyperventilating. I've never done that in my life. And it was like, what is happening? What's happening? Having a heart attack right now, am I. It's like I. I just thought I was getting sick suddenly, and, you know, I put my head down between my knees, I started trying to breathe slowly, and I couldn't even look out the window. We were driving like over a bridge. And every time I looked out the window and just seeing the city, I was panicking. And, you know, I realized I was like, my body is going through trauma because of the last time I was here. It was so scared. And now I'm just having like. That's what. It was bizarre. Lisa. I'd never had, like, I'm not a panicky person. I'm pretty even keeled. I have a lot of self control. And so that was so out of body. And I was like, what is happening to me?

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah. Do you know what? I really relate to this because anytime I'm asked to go speak in the hometown where I grew up and where my father was indicted, I almost can't do it. And it makes me really sad because I love the people there. I hold nothing against the place. And I've gone back there and spoken several times, but it has been so difficult for me on a level that I can't even explain. But I. You understand, it's like. Like I've spoken all over, everywhere but that one city. Yeah, I. I just almost cannot do it.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I. I have this. I'm. Now all these things are coming back. There's a hotel that most Actors stay at. In Vancouver. I've been filming in Vancouver for over 20 years. Filming movies all of the time at the. At. Throughout my life, I've had such terrible bouts with. With bulimia. And that hotel is just a trigger for my eating disorder.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

And so I can't stay at that hotel. I just walk into like, I can go meet friends or whatever, have dinner there or something, but I don't like staying there in the. Cause the room just triggers like I don't even. I don't even do that anymore. And yet it all comes back to me. I'm like, oh, I know. I. The store down the street, I can go buy the food I can do. And I'm like, yuck. So I can't. I won't stay at that hotel.

[Lisa Whittle]

And you know what? I think that's wise. Yeah, I think it's wise. But you know what I felt is kind of some. Some self condemnation for not being able to be better than that. To not, you know, Lisa, why can't you get it together? This should be a place of redemption for you. This should be awesome for you to be able to go and do that, you know.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

So. So thank you for the therapy because this is a little bit therapeutic for me to be able to talk about this. But I think the thing that is important here is to just be reminded and maybe think through for. For the listener. What is your body telling you? Are you paying attention to some signs and signals that you may have a breach with someone that you need to address with the Lord, that you need to. To go and seek forgiveness or you may need to forgive that you may need to, you know, have a real in depth working with Jesus. Maybe go to therapy over. And by the way, forgiveness does not mean that you don't set boundaries with someone.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right.

[Lisa Whittle]

Doesn't mean you allow them complete access in your life. It just means that we can't have these breaches. Let me. Can I do this one little nerdy study? Can I tell you about this one little nerdy study? So listen to this. I found this study that is fascinating. It talks about how the emotional pain of a breakup and physical pain share the same commonalities. Brain scans have shown that they activate the same part of the brain, social pain from the emotional pain from a relationship fracture and physical pain share the same neural pathways. So when we have a relationship fracture, our digestive systems can actually go nuts because there are things happening in our bodies biochemically. Too much cortisol in the brain sends blood to the Major muscle groups, they tense up, ready to respond to the threat. Which we know as fight or flight.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yep.

[Lisa Whittle]

But without real need for a physical response, the muscles don't have an opportunity to expend any energy. So those muscles swell and create headaches and other issues. To ensure the muscles have an adequate blood supply, Cortisol diverts blood away from the digestive system. So this can cause stomach issues such as cramps, diarrhea, appetite loss. When stress hormones run rampant, the immune system can struggle, increasing vulnerability to bugs and illnesses. So you'll get a cold and sleep issues. Often your brain is connected to body chemistry, which has to readjust to a lack of connection with that person that you were once connected to. This is why when we have a relationship fracture, it is painful for a prolonged period of time. Now, what is that saying? Well, it's saying that a breach in relationship is emotional, but it's also physical because we are body and soul.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

Fascinating.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

It's so fascinating. Yeah. I started. I mean, we're going to talk about all the things, too, but there's a supplement that I do take that is called Cort Ease. They're just herbs, but I take that because it kind of helps reset cortisol. So on very high stress days for me, I always have that. And just, you know, every few hours you take that. And it's just calming. More calming herbs to just reset and keep those cortisol levels down so they're not going to the muscle and then causing destruction or the lack of, you know, everywhere else.

[Lisa Whittle]

I mean, what's interesting about it is. Which I think are great, because I'm doing. I do supplements, too, but it's like, what if we also. Or what if we even first reconnected with some people that we need to. Because all of us have some fractures.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And we did our due diligence with our brothers and sisters in the body of Christ and we took our cortisol supplements. Right. I mean, a lot of us have not done our due diligence in relationship first.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I mean, listen, I have one. You're talking, talking right now. And I'm like, lisa, I don't. I don't want to do that. I don't like you because there's one right now. I'm like, yeah, I know. I need to talk to that person. I really do. It actually. It eats me up inside every day. It's so hard. But I. I'm, you know, I. I get a little bit stubborn. I'm a little bit like, why do I have to Be the first one to reach out. You know, what even is the issue? Like, why is that even a problem? But I think about it way too often and it just.

[Lisa Whittle]

What is so interesting is we, so many of us as Christians, we're like, yes, I know about the body of Christ. I love you. You know, we're hugging, we're patting, we're all this. But we are missing this part of the, of our bodies. We are missing it. We've gone over here and we've taken supplements, but we have missed this.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right.

[Lisa Whittle]

And I will tell you, when I started writing Body and Soul, I literally, I thought, well, I can't write about this in whole body theology without talking about the body of Christ. But if I will be completely honest with you, I thought, oh, I don't want to write about this. I am bored. I have. I know all about the body of Christ. But literally, it was. I know that the Lord, he doesn't think in terms like this, but this is my pedestrian way of looking at it. I thought, the Lord probably thought, oh, she's so cute. I'm going to take her to school.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right?

[Lisa Whittle]

And he did. It was like he showed me all of this. And I thought, what have I been missing? I've been missing all of this important stuff.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I have a question. Are you a person that minds confrontation?

[Lisa Whittle]

I actually don't love confrontation. I, I don't want it, but I don't mind it because I don't mind addressing it. I don't mind addressing it because I, for me, it is love for me. If I don't love you, what I will do is ignore you. You.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And I will, I, I will. I mean, I will just, especially in the past when I wasn't very healthy, I would just be like, you are just out of my life. It would be that, like, we will just part ways and we will be fine with that.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

Heavy on the emphasis of me. But. But no, I feel like I. If I love you enough, I will fight for you and for us.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

So if I have to confront, I will have to. To. But I don't love it. I, I don't want to run towards that.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

But if I love you enough, I'm gonna fight for it.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah, I know that's. It's just very hard for some people, that confrontation, when there's disunity with someone. That's who I'm thinking of right now. And they're like, I'd. I know. I'd like to address that from a biblical point of view to Be right with God to, you know, to be whole and complete. But confrontation is really hard. Like, I don't like that. And you know, I know I have a lot of people in my life that are scared of confrontation.

[Lisa Whittle]

I think most people have this idea that some people just are great with it and they love it and they're fine. Don't mistake someone's strength for liking to just pick a fight. None of us want to confront anything. But I think most people that don't want to confront it is a people pleasing issue. Ultimately it is. I want you to still like me where I want to preserve this whole thing, so I will. But preserving things and protecting yourself, that's not love. It's not. It's also not biblical. It is, it is biblical to go to your brother or sister. It is hard, but doing something hard is. But life, we all. Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Well, it makes everything more meaningful when you do the hard stuff.

[Lisa Whittle]

Well, yeah. And also my question is always, how much do you want freedom?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

How much do you want freedom? I mean, really, like at the end of the day, I get it, it's hard, hard. But my goodness, you know, you've done lots of hard things. We've done lots of hard things. We will continue to do lots of hard things. We are very conditioned to our own convenience and our own, you know, at ease and we just lean into that a lot.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah.

[Lisa Whittle]

And so I think, you know, if you think through all of the Rolodex of the hard things that you've done in life, like, like texting someone and saying, hey, I'm sorry, it just probably doesn't need to make the list. Like, this is not that hard for you to do. Ultimately, yes, they've hurt you. But here's what I'll tell you. God is, I share that. God has really been working on me with the bitterness thing. And I've had some, some, some things that have happened in even the recent months that have really hurt my heart. And I think, what the Lord, you know, honestly, in the past it really would have made me say, you know, I'm going to walk away from that person. I'm going to check them off my list. My, my best friend of 32 years and I, we, we've laughed about this. But I used to be like, oh, I don't like that person. Check them off my list. Like in kind of a tongue in cheek way. But like, that was kind of my attitude. I don't do that anymore. I don't say that anymore. You know why? Because it does not hurt me a bit to be hurt or humbled. It does not hurt me a bit. In fact, this last thing that really hurt my heart, I really felt like the Lord said to me, lisa, I am teaching you and helping you to not hold grudges and not be bitter towards people. This is part of your process. And I felt like it does not hurt me a bit to be hurt and to feel hurt, because at the end of the day, I win. I win in the sense that I become more usable.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Right.

[Lisa Whittle]

Like, I become a better preacher, I become a better Bible teacher, I become a better writer, I become a better Lisa. I become a better mom, I become a better wife. And honestly, Candace, I need it. I need it because I'm really rough around the edges. I can be really, really abrasive and dogmatic, and I can have lots of opinions. So does it hurt me a bit to be a little humbled and a little having to work on bitterness issue? No, it doesn't hurt me a bit. What would hurt me a lot is for God to say, you know, Lisa, we're gonna have to shelve you for a little while for you to work on some things, because I want my life to be used for the glory of God. Yeah. So I'm like, bring it, God. If that's what we need to do, then that's what we need to do. So if that text stings a little bit, you can go through a little moment of hurt for it to be better.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Character builder.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Yeah. That's so great. Okay, we're gonna go to a listener question. This is from Christine, and she asked. Asks, how do we stop the anxiety in our minds?

[Lisa Whittle]

Well, one of the other days, we covered the process of renewing our minds, and that's really important. I think the first thing is to know that there's hope, because it says, according to Romans 12:2, that we can be transformed by the renewing of our minds. So I think a lot of times we think we can't stop it. And also, I'm not a clinician. You know, there might be something chemical going on in your brain. So I think getting that looked at is important. But there is a process of transformation where we capture the thoughts and we say, not allowing this access. I think there's a difference, too, between, like, clinical anxiety and anxiousness. Knowing what that distinction is, because I feel anxious about things like feeling that sort of, like, balling up Anxiousness. Yeah. So knowing if it, like, is this a normal, like, sort of anxiousness, or am I feeling like. Like Real anxiety, that's chronic. That's going on. Yeah, yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

It's good to determine, determine the two, because you could get professional help in one way. But I want to encourage you with some Bible verses, Christine. And first Peter 5, 7, it says, cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. And Psalm 94:19 says, when anxiety was great within me, your consolation brought me joy. I love that one. I do, too love that one. And then Matthew 6, 25:34 says, Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you'll eat or drink or about your body, what you'll wear. Is life not more than food in the body, more than clothes? Look at the birds of the air. They don't sow or reap or store away in barns. And yet your heavenly Father feeds them them. Are you not much more valuable than they? Can any one of you by worrying, add a single hour to your life? It's so good, it just puts it in perspective. So those are some good scriptures to meditate on. For anxiety and worry. Julie asks us, what's one thing you do for your mental health every day?

[Lisa Whittle]

This is a great question. Oh, my goodness. I do love my bathtub. And I do love a bubble bath. So that's honestly a reward for me. After a day of hard work, I go and do that. I actually do. I was like, which do I pick? Because I do several things that I really like, but that's one of my things. It is a nighttime routine almost nightly that I light my candles, turn all the, I mean, my husband's always like, it's dark in here. But I like lights off, candles on, bubble bath, worship music. It's a nighttime thing for me. What about you?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I love exercising.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

And it's not so much that I, that I love exercising. It's that for my mental health, I need clarity, I need fresh. I mean, I prefer fresh air. But even if I have to go on a treadmill, I need to move my body. It helps clear my mind. It changes the atmosphere around. And so on really long work days, even a day like today, I've been traveling a lot. We had an early call this morning. And I like to work out first thing. It sets the tone. And when I even say work out, I don't mean grinding in the gym.

[Lisa Whittle]

Right.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Some days I do that, and I love that. But just to have some kind of movement. Movement and say, I'm gonna walk for 30 minutes or 45 minutes, I, I, I love starting my day that way. And so I like to do that for my mental health every day. Okay, last question. Another kind of quick one. Rhiannon asks, what would a tip or advice be on how to become a half glass full kind of person?

[Lisa Whittle]

Oh, my favorite.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Do you think you're just born with it?

[Lisa Whittle]

I, I, I kind of do.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

I kind of do.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah. I do too. I, my family would so laugh at this question. They'd be like, this is not a question for Lisa.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Are you a half glass empty?

[Lisa Whittle]

I, I would say I'm just like, see it as it is. So like, I guess that's what people always say if they're a half glass empty person. I think.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Got it, got it. And I'm definitely a half glass full kind of person. I just, I want to always see the positive.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

And when. But I don't, I don't have to consciously choose that. That's why I kind of think I'm just born that way. I just see it that way.

[Lisa Whittle]

If you see it that way, I think you are born that way. But I also want to say I think, think. I think we can train ourselves to be more that way. And I think it's important to do that because I have a thing in my house that says, what's the best thing that could happen? And I think that phrase is important for a person like me who is maybe the one who sees things more half glass empty. Because that's not my natural bench. My natural bend is to say I'm also a visionary. So I see things in the, like futuristically. What's the projection? What's the worst thing that could happen so that I can help it not happen.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay.

[Lisa Whittle]

So, but for me, I think it's saying what's the best thing that could happen? Is making me look at things positively. My husband helps me a lot with this because he.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

That's a great constantly tool right there.

[Lisa Whittle]

Yeah, right, Right.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay, so what's the, what's the best.

[Lisa Whittle]

Thing that can happen?

[Candace Cameron Bure]

Okay, write it on a piece of paper and go tape that up on your fridge.

[Lisa Whittle]

It's great.

[Candace Cameron Bure]

So you just look at it every day. What's the best thing that could happen? Oh, this is another good one. We will be back next week. Thank you so much for spending time with us today. To go deeper and continue, just download the free Whole body [e-mail] and you'll also find Lisa Whittle's Body and soul Bible study book in the notes. You don't want to pass that one up. Go grab it. And if you've got a question that you want us to cover on a future show, go to Candace.com and let us know. As always, be grateful all day, every day. Candy Rock Entertainment. All rights reserved.

[Lisa Whittle]

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[Candace Cameron Bure]

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[Lisa Whittle]

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[Candace Cameron Bure]

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[Lisa Whittle]

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[Candace Cameron Bure]

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