"If we want to see real transformation, we have to stop talking about behavior and start talking about the heart, the brain, and the trauma behind it."

In this episode of the Covenant Eyes Podcast, host Karen Potter and the team welcome Hannah Ashwell, a therapist from the United Kingdom specializing in trauma psychology and modern behavioral addictions. Hannah brings clinical insight and pastoral sensitivity to a topic many churches still struggle to address openly.

Hannah shares about her upcoming book Quit Porn, written to make complex psychological and spiritual concepts accessible to everyday readers. Drawing from her work as a therapist and her own life journey, she explains why recovery often requires both personal responsibility and compassionate support. Rather than focusing only on behavior change, the conversation explores deeper issues like shame, trauma, and the importance of honest conversation.

The discussion also highlights the role of the church in addressing this growing issue. Hannah emphasizes that silence allows struggles to deepen, while open conversations can bring hope and healing. From the impact on relationships and mental health to the importance of pastoral support and professional counseling, this episode encourages churches and individuals alike to step into the conversation with wisdom and courage.

Episode Topics Discussed

• Why pornography is often misunderstood as only a men’s issue
• The growing societal impact on relationships, families, and mental health
• Hannah’s background in trauma psychology and addiction counseling
• The inspiration behind her book Quit Porn
• Modern addictions beyond drugs and alcohol
• Why shame keeps people trapped in silence
• The difference between guilt and shame in recovery
• The role of trauma, opportunity, and digital access in behavioral struggles
• Why churches struggle to address the issue openly
• The importance of conversation, accountability, and community support
• How pastors can support people without carrying the entire burden alone
• When professional therapy becomes an important part of healing

Resources Mentioned

Hannah Ashwell Wellness: https://www.facebook.com/HannahAshwellWellness/
Quit Porn – https://www.quit-porn.com/
Quit Porn by Hannah Ashwell – Print edition available in the UK, audiobook and ebook releasing soon

Timestamps

00:00 – The Hidden Impact of Pornography on Society
00:35 – Meet Hannah Ashwell
01:26 – Writing the Book Quit Porn to Making Resources Accessible to Everyone
03:01 – Hannah’s Personal Journey and Motivation
04:49 – Why the Church Struggles to Address This Issue
07:11 – How Pornography Impacts Relationships and Society
09:00 – Helping Church Leaders Understand the Issue
10:46 – Addressing Pornography in the US vs. the UK 11:37 – Why Shame Keeps People Silent
13:39 – The Difference Between Guilt and Shame
15:46 – Addressing the Roots of Shame
17:41 – How Churches Can Support People in Recovery
19:47 – Where to Find Hannah’s Resources
20:43 – Final Advice for Churches and Individuals
21:41 – The Core Message of Quit Porn

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