663 - Chicago's Best Cop

Summary

Summary of "The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds" - Episode 663: Chicago's Best Cop

Podcast Overview

Title: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Host/Authors: Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Description: Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds pick a subject from history and examine it.
Episode: 663 - Chicago's Best Cop
Release Date: December 17, 2024

In Episode 663 of "The Dollop," titled "Chicago's Best Cop," Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds delve into the tumultuous life and career of Charles "Charlie" Nerdum, a notorious figure in Chicago's law enforcement history. The episode intricately weaves historical events with comedic banter, showcasing Charlie's rise and fall within various policing agencies, his interactions with labor movements, and his ultimate descent into infamy.

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Early Life and Entry into Law Enforcement

Charlie Nerdum, originally Carl Nerdrum, was born in Norway in 1857. At the age of 11, he emigrated to the United States with his family, settling in Chicago. The Nerdrum family, consisting of Carl, his siblings, and a live-in servant girl, faced financial hardships following the death of Carl's father when Charlie was 12. This tragedy compelled Charlie to leave school and start working as a molder, following his older brother Viggo.

Notable Quote:

Gareth Reynolds [08:15]: "The family also has a live-in servant girl. So when Carl's 11, they moved to the US and they settled in Chicago because where else would you go?"

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Joining the Chicago Police Department

Charlie joined the Chicago Police Department in his early adulthood. Initially, he was well-liked by his peers and garnered praise for his dedication. However, his career was soon marred by instances of brutality and misconduct.

Notable Quote:

Dave Anthony [13:06]: "He marries Augusta Weber. They have a daughter who dies within 10 months, and then they have four more alive daughters."

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First Incidents of Brutality and Subsequent Firings

Charlie's aggressive nature led to multiple confrontations with both civilians and fellow officers. His first significant misconduct involved mistreating a prisoner, resulting in his firing from the police force. However, within a week, he was rehired, illustrating the department's tepid stance on accountability unless public outrage forced their hand.

Notable Quotes:

Dave Anthony [14:07]: "So he is liked by fellow cops, but then after a few months, he gets fired for mistreating a prisoner."

Gareth Reynolds [14:28]: "He's a bad boy. We're just giving him a grounding."

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Involvement with the Pinkertons and Labor Struggles

In 1887, amidst the Haymarket Square incident and ongoing fear of anarchists, Charlie joined the Pinkerton Detective Agency. His role involved infiltrating and dismantling anarchist groups, but his abusive methods often compromised his cover, leading to internal conflicts within both the Pinkertons and anarchist circles.

Notable Quote:

Dave Anthony [16:37]: "So he's trying to save his own skin. He's like me and him are doing it. He's not really much of a saver for you."

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Legal Troubles and Public Backlash

Charlie's repeated instances of violence eventually caught up with him. From assaulting civilians to misconduct within the police department, each incident fueled public outcry and increased pressure from organizations like the Personal Rights League to hold him accountable.

Notable Quote:

Dave Anthony [22:18]: "It's situational. With brutality."

Gareth Reynolds [26:27]: "So these groups join together demanding Charlie be prosecuted and fired."

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Decline and Continued Misconduct

Despite suspensions and fines, Charlie's behavior deteriorated further, exacerbated by his alcoholism. His inability to maintain professional relationships and his relentless aggression led to his eventual dismissal from multiple positions. His attempts to offer to join the army were rebuffed, further isolating him from any form of legitimate employment.

Notable Quotes:

Dave Anthony [56:25]: "Now Charlie's okay? He got out of it. He got what he wanted."

Gareth Reynolds [57:27]: "Alright, Charlie's back on the force after all."

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Final Years and Legacy

Charlie spent his remaining years drifting between various detective agencies, continuing his pattern of violence and misconduct. By 1940, Charlie Nerdum passed away from heart disease at the age of 83 without any significant recognition or obituary, leaving behind a legacy of brutality and controversy.

Notable Quote:

Dave Anthony [93:11]: "He did what he's known for. He is descending into that fucking hellhole."

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Notable Quotes and Timestamped Highlights

• On Charlie's Repeated Firings:

  Dave Anthony [14:07]: "So he is liked by fellow cops, but then after a few months, he gets fired for mistreating a prisoner."

• On His Involvement with the Pinkertons:

  Dave Anthony [16:37]: "He's trying to save his own skin. He's like me and him are doing it."

• On Public Backlash:

  Dave Anthony [22:18]: "It's situational. With brutality."

• On Charlie's Downfall:

  Dave Anthony [56:25]: "Now Charlie's okay? He got out of it. He got what he wanted."

• On His Legacy:

  Dave Anthony [93:11]: "He did what he's known for. He is descending into that fucking hellhole."

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Hosts' Commentary and Humorous Interjections

Throughout the episode, Dave and Gareth interject humorous banter that highlights the absurdity and severity of Charlie's actions. Their dynamic serves to both entertain and provide critical commentary on historical policing practices.

Examples:

• On Rehiring Charlie:

  Gareth Reynolds [14:28]: "Good. That's good. Get him back in there. He's learned a lesson."

• On Charlie's Drinking Problem:

  Gareth Reynolds [56:25]: "Now Charlie's okay? He got out of it. He got what he wanted."

• On Charlie's Final Days:

  Dave Anthony [93:11]: "He did what he's known for. He is descending into that fucking hellhole."

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Conclusion

Episode 663 of "The Dollop" offers a deep dive into the life of Charlie Nerdum, a figure whose career encapsulates the chaotic and often unchecked nature of late 19th-century American policing. Through a blend of historical recounting and comedic analysis, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds shed light on the complexities of law enforcement history, the interplay between personal misconduct and institutional accountability, and the enduring impact of such figures on societal perceptions of policing.

Transcript

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

No, there's no 2, 3, 4. There's just zero. And then everyone's upset. You're listening to the Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a guy who is kind of awful.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. I like that you're a bad boy. And I like that you're coming at me. Bad boy.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm a bad boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're a bad boy.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Rapping bad boy flow. Oh, sorry, that's called atmosphere. Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. And I just accidentally beatbox. That's how much I can't turn it off.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Jam pad.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm the fucking hippo guy. Dave. Okay, My name's Gary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My name's Gary. Wait, is it par fun?

[Dave Anthony]

And this is not gonna become the tickly podcast, okay?

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is like Adam on a five part confession. Now hit him with the puppy. You both present sick arguments.

[Dave Anthony]

No sleep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tell Hippo that's the co. Hippo.

[Dave Anthony]

Action.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hi, G. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Nicely done, my friend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

No, that's fine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

I hate it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not helping. The Nutcracker.

[Dave Anthony]

I hate it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's great.

[Dave Anthony]

I hate what you're doing to yourself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just strange to be so.

[Dave Anthony]

I hate all the places you're going to. It's just strange all of the. You're like a. You're like a roving Saturday Night Live cast at this point. And it's. And I'm. Worried about you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the dream. I'm worried about you admit that I look less like a corpse than last week when I, in retrospect, looked like I.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you look the same. You're taking so much out of yourself all the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

Giving it and giving it to others.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Champagne.

[Dave Anthony]

You're a husk is what you become.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Elon Husk.

[Dave Anthony]

November 9, 1857. Now, I should have looked up how to say this. Norwegian. It's a Norwegian vowel. That's an A and an E combined. Do you know what I'm talking?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like the Ben Farrakhan, Ben Franklin Alphabet.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So I don't need to listen to part two.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know how to pronounce it, but. Carl Nidrom was born in Norway to Niger and Louisa or whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, what's his name?

[Dave Anthony]

Carl.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

The second of four alive kids.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Cool Metric.

[Dave Anthony]

The family also has a live in servant girl. So when Carl's 11, they moved to the US and they settled in Chicago because where else would you go?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. We're really getting into this one. We didn't have a lot of fun over there. We just got right to business.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we're getting to business because there's a lot in this one. So I got to jump straight to adulthood now. There's no AE vowel here. We don't do that because we are not bullshit here in America.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jaeger.

[Dave Anthony]

So they changed their last name from nadrom or whatever it is to Nerdrum.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nerdrum.

[Dave Anthony]

Nerd. N E, R, D U R M. Nerdrum.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nerd.

[Dave Anthony]

Drum or Nerd. Drum or Nerd.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Neil Peart was.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. So Carl's name becomes Charles. We don't know why. That just happens. He goes by Charles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that okay?

[Dave Anthony]

What happened to you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yep, sure did.

[Dave Anthony]

He goes by Charlie. A friend said when he was young, they called him Pretty Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

So again, like you. A lot of sounds like you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very similar.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie's dad dies when he's 12. So Charlie now has to leave school to work to bring in money to the family. Gets a job as a molder like his older brother Viggo.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So we're keeping vgo, we're keeping Carl. We changed Vigo. We're standing down on.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, Carl's too foreign.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Carl's strange.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I'll tell you what. 12 years old, the kid named Vigo comes to my school and he's new. Buckle the up, Vigo. Not gonna go good.

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's not going good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're gonna be go home crying.

[Dave Anthony]

When we were picking out names for our son, my wife was throwing out a lot of crazy stuff. And I was trying to explain to her how the teasing happens. And I go, here's a good example. There was a kid named Miles. She goes, okay. And I said, we all called him Miles and miles of deep brown piles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So it's very. See, but that's gotta be really careful.

[Dave Anthony]

You gotta be really careful.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So you can't avoidable. So you can't give any if you're gonna do that. That's tough.

[Dave Anthony]

Because she was like, what if we name him Galen? And I was like, this is gonna be a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Are you working for the other kids? What are you talking about? Are you in cahoots with the bullies? Well, I've told the story on here. There was a guy named. At my school in his yearbook. He. There's a. And this kid came to my shows like in the past couple years. So I'm not. This. We're cool. Obviously. Last name Seaman showed up in fifth grade. It was like, buddy, you might need to get some counseling.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then his brother, his brother was the. He directed traffic at the school. And in his yearbook, his first name was Chris and his middle name started with a P and it was Chris P. Seaman. And we all were like, are we being like, are there cops behind this? This is entrapment for jokes. Oh, it's bris se.

[Dave Anthony]

We had a guy named Open Jiz Mouth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

His little sister Dorothea also dies at 21. Charlie married 18 year old Betsy Fugal, stat. She's two and a half. She. She's. She's three years younger. So that's not too bad. Right? That's, that's, that's like decent for this time. It's great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's normal. That's okay. Now.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Two and a half years later, Char.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Charlie, like you always say, it's not that number you get caught. It's the vibe. That's what you've always said.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you're vibing nothing but a number.

[Dave Anthony]

100% Chris Collins Worthing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Two and a half years later, Charlie files for divorce. He tells the court his wife deserted him and she, quote, had been in the habit of beating him with pokers and shoes and cutting him with knives. And he. Until he could longer endure it without danger to his life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, so that's. Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

That's fair.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. That's grounds.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a bad marriage. That's a bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's, she's Going, there's these murder attempts. Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Now on the other hand, Betsy said she was deserted and he was abusive.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. So. So his did sound a little made up. I was gonna say it. He's starting to throw like, she hit me with polkas and shoes, cutting me.

[Dave Anthony]

With knives at me. She put anvil on my head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She was trying to get me with the spork.

[Dave Anthony]

At 25, Charlie joins a detective agency and he gets married again to Augusta.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Detective agency is so foreign now.

[Dave Anthony]

Is it? I mean, they're still around. You just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're around, but it's different. They're like, I'll get the meta data for you.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, they're. Now it's like they're online sleuthing. Well, it's black water and like that. Like now it's like Z or whatever they became.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So he marries Augusta Weber. They have a daughter.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Who dies within 10 months. And they. They'd go and have four more alive daughters. Oh, no, wait two. Because only two made it to adulthood. But they had four. They had four for a while.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's worse than that.

[Dave Anthony]

Over time became two.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's worse.

[Dave Anthony]

So a few. After a few years, Charlie joins the Chicago Police Department.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And we're off.

[Dave Anthony]

One of the most honorable police departments in the country. They've only had one torture warehouse in the 2000s that we know of. A fine organization.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Warehouse. Was it a Costco?

[Dave Anthony]

A torture warehouse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

So he is liked by fellow cops, but then after a few months, he gets fired for mistreating a prisoner.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So this was back when there was accountability for that sort of behavior.

[Dave Anthony]

And then a week later, he was hired again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good. That's good. Get him back in there. He's learned a lesson. It's like a grounding.

[Dave Anthony]

So police supervisors at the time. Well, at the time, they don't mind brutal cops, but if there's like a public backlash, then they would fire the cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, see, different.

[Dave Anthony]

And then quietly rehire them at another station when the publicity died.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So now they suspend or they move.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they can fire him now. And then he just gets hired in another town nearby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he's just. And then. And then we learn about him two years later when it's like, yeah, oh, yeah, we should have seen that coming. It was deranged.

[Dave Anthony]

Also, it helps that Charlie's brother in law was the commissioner of public works. So he gets fired again in 1887.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm not sure why, but this time he joins the Pinkertons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, here we Go.

[Dave Anthony]

This is around the time of the Hay Market Square incident.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they're doing good stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, there's a. There's. There's a lot of strikes at the time. We've covered those. There's a lot of protesters. Bombings, A lot of bombings. So fear of anarchists. It's also when a president gets, you know, they're. The anarchists are really doing a number. Bring it back. The anarchists cause a mayhem. So the fear of anarchists is the highest it's been. And after a year working undercover for the Pinkertons, Charlie claims that he has broken up a bunch of different anarchist groups. And then he applies to join the Karl Marx assembly of the Knights of Labor. So that's a lefty. Super lefty.

[Gareth Reynolds]

As an undercover.

[Dave Anthony]

Undercover.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And he gets nominated by a group for the group by an organizer named Danny Daymeyer, quote, one of the most astute and aggressive anarchists in the city. Okay, so there's another member, Albert Burroughs. And he. He'd been a Pinkerton, but he had been fired.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And he held a grudge against the Pinkertons, becomes an anarchist, but doesn't tell his fellow anarchists that he at one time worked for the Pinkertons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, you're there for the wrong reasons. That's not. You don't want that mentality, a grudge holder. Well, you don't, you know, you don't want someone who was of the Pinkerton mind and then is just doing a spike join.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Spike joins are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't want him to get like high up because it's like you need that. You need that anarchism going down to the bones. You can't just be like, well, you know what? Now I'm anti law enforcement because they fucked me over.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, it's. It you will take. I know what you mean, but I don't think you're. You're not. You know what I mean? It's not in it.

[Dave Anthony]

You're not in it. In it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, when a tight end. It was a basketball player. Nah. No. All right. The dollop will be right back.

[Dave Anthony]

No, we're absolutely not. We need to take an ad break. It wasn't good. It didn't make any sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, guys, Remember taxi cabs? How good were those? Get back.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie tries to keep away from Burroughs at this initiation meeting. And he's worried the Burrows would recognize him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, right.

[Dave Anthony]

So I guess they're all tucked away somewhere talking about initiations. And Charlie's outside another part of the building, and Burrow sees Charlie and he tells the group. He goes, that guy's a spy. He's a Pickerton. So they in the meeting, decide not to initiate him and instead blackball him. So then they come out of the meeting and they take Charlie like, you're. You're spy. You're blackballed. And he's like, I'm not a spy. And he says, burrows is the spy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, yes, that's right. The old rubber glue.

[Dave Anthony]

And then Burrow starts running.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Running away?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This guy's got some problems, too.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie was. That's not how you handle it now. You look really good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So do we think he was also a spy?

[Dave Anthony]

No, no, he's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He just had the craziest reaction possible.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah, because he hasn't told him he was a Pinkerton in the past.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he does have some skeletons.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie chases him and catches him and starts beating him. Other brothers now are not sure who's the real spy. And some attack Burroughs and some attack Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's good enough.

[Dave Anthony]

And then some get in the middle and just try to stop everybody from fighting. Now, in the brawl part, Charlie ends up getting arrested and fined $50 because he broke Burrow's nose.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And then after this, I guess because he blew his cover or whatever, Charlie is now fired from the Pinkertons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Okay, that's weird.

[Dave Anthony]

He goes back to being a cop. Fired twice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Yeah. So, okay, so he's a guy who.

[Dave Anthony]

Can'T hold a job. That's what I'm hearing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, but he's also like. Yeah, he's. Law enforcement's. The mentality.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He doesn't want to hear.

[Dave Anthony]

And now as a cop, he starts getting a lot of press about making big arrests. He caught a man who cut off his wife's lover's ear.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I think you were going somewhere else.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, the dong.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but that's hard to, you know, grab and cut.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's hard to explain. Hold on.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. Yeah, I'm gonna let your husband Jack me off, and then we're cool. But that still is wild. The ear cut.

[Dave Anthony]

No, but apparently people loved it. Like it was a big story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, People justice.

[Dave Anthony]

Street justice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's right.

[Dave Anthony]

He raided the Acme copy company, and he arrested the president for producing obscene pictures.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He broke up a fight between two men by shooting at one in the middle of a crowded area.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, just hearing these things, I've always guessed. I've thought because. Because what year are we in? Where are we in 1900.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we're in 1890s.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Because I always do. I'm always like, I just got so toxic. But it's like we are always the problem, and we've always just been like, that's awesome. He shot in a crowd.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like, yeah, it's. That's problematic behavior.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he. He arrested a seven foot guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Say no more.

[Dave Anthony]

Giant is just who worked at a circus for creating a sturban disturbance in a disreputable house. So I don't know that maybe brothel. Maybe he got into a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Got into A. He's 7ft. He throwing around people or whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God. Imagine having like a giant come into your brothel room and be like, terrifying. Oh, this is cool. I should point out I have a couple things I really love to do. Are you familiar with wheelbarrowing? Oh, my God. Oh, no, don't drop Chow. Oh, he's laying gone.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh. So Charlie often would claim that his suspects had resisted arrest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's my. That's the best. Classic.

[Dave Anthony]

So he had to, you know, go overboard with.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So everything's possible.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're allowed to do everything you want now.

[Dave Anthony]

Papers were definitely discussing and disgusted by his increasingly terrible brutality. Some. Sometimes not. Sometimes they're okay with it. Like, he. He brought in a guy, quote, badly bruised about the face, both eyes being nearly closed. But the press was fine with it because he had been arrested for beating a blind woman. So they're like, yeah, that's. That's fine. So it's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a tough one.

[Dave Anthony]

It's situational. Okay. With brutality.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's like that. That is an eye for an eye. Well, pardon the pun, but that is like, you know, you're more sympathetic because you're like, oh, well, yeah, you beat up the guy who beat her up. Like, the line is, they're supposed to be superior to our petty ways.

[Dave Anthony]

But yeah, like you. Like you. You killed a guy on a subway car who was having a mental illness situation. But if you killed hundreds of thousands of people by making healthcare decisions and you're a bad guy. So Charlie caught the attention of the police captain, Michael Shaq. And I say sh. Because there's an extra A in there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shaq.

[Dave Anthony]

Shaq. Okay. Shaq is a big antichrist guy. He's like, you know, taking the credit for the hay market arrests and whatnot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie is put on a special unit that operates outside department regulations.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

That's cool what you want to do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's cool that there's that you have a wing. Yeah, that's like. And by the way, you guys do whatever you need to.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, this is straight out of LA Confidential. So Shaq, quote, I employed a number of outside men, choosing especially those who were familiar with the anarchists and their haunts. The funds for this purpose were supplied to me by public spirited citizens who wished the law vindicated in order preserved in Chicago.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So a private group of citizens paid a. Huh.

[Dave Anthony]

Rich guys.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Rich guys pay the cops to have a side cop business to take really whatever measures they want to stop anarchism.

[Dave Anthony]

That's correct. And they're literally taking the most brutal guys from the police force.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And the difference between then and now is that wing is now the police department's pretty much.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. So in November 1889, a meeting of the Arbeiter bond was held. Was held to debate the eight hour workday. So it's a working class guys thing. And they're debating. Charlie comes and he brings his buddy Charles Harvey to two Charlie's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Huh?

[Dave Anthony]

And a leftist whispers to his friends, I guess loudly that Charlie is a cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's shocking. Charlie's undercover.

[Dave Anthony]

I think he's supposed to be undercover, but maybe not. I mean he, he's part of the side regulation, but he's also had a ton of press at this point. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's a weird pick for undercover if he is.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not like photos are everywhere, videos now like you would see maybe. You know what I mean? So I don't know, it's kind of a gray area there, but whatever. It's also not as big of a town, so more people know each other. So when he gets accused of being a cop by this guy, Charlie, of course naturally pulls his gun and threatens to shoot the guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm not a cop. Anyone who thinks I'm a cop, point out one thing I'm doing that seems copish. I'll kill this guy if you keep accusing me of that.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he clubbed the guy and arrested him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, look, I'm not a cop. But you are under arrest. And he arrested two other guys, you guys too. Not a cop. I'm one of you. I don't believe in law. I'm gonna take them downtown where they're gonna go sit in front of a judge.

[Dave Anthony]

So these guys are very quickly acquitted. And then they swear out warrants against Charlie. And Charlie has a trial. And he claims he never struck the guy, but he was just holding up his gun to keep an anarchist from taking it. She's holding up high.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

That makes sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely. That's how you.

[Dave Anthony]

His buddy was there with him. Harvey backs the story up completely. He's like 100%.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He held. He was doing keep away. Then we played monkey in the middle for a little while.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie gets acquitted of perjury, but he is convicted of assault for hitting the guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He gets fined $20 in court costs. Which is nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nope.

[Dave Anthony]

So the Personal Rights League is a lefty organization. And they then ask the mayor to remove Charlie from the force.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And the mayor's like no. He's no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We call it for like police force. We've been asking for it from inception. What do you expect?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's in the name.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So the per. So when the mayor says no, the Personal Rights League is furious. And then they get together a bunch of other groups. So all these groups join together. The Central Labor Union, Pioneer Aid Support Association, Socialistic Publishing Society, the Eider Bun others. They're all demanding Charlie be prosecuted and fired. And then Suddenly in late January 1890, Charlie is suspended from the force.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's how you do it.

[Dave Anthony]

But it's not what you would think. Charlie came with an idea to make the left leftist organizations leave him alone before he gets suspended. He went to this guy, Henry Lindmeyer Jr. Who is connected to the personal Rights leagues, prosecution, the. The thing that they're trying to get going.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Huh.

[Dave Anthony]

And he tells, he tells Linmeyer that there are socialists on the police force.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Meaning double agents. Right. Double sided. Working both sides. And they're being paid $60 a month by the cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can you believe in this taxpayer funded organization that we have people who are looking for social services?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

It's shocking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They walk amongst us.

[Dave Anthony]

So he is like I'll give you proof if you guys stop trying to pursue these charges against me. So he's basically saying I'm gonna out the cops. Buy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who's he saying that to? He's saying that to this group of the people who want him.

[Dave Anthony]

One guy, just one guy, this one guy that's connected to the personal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's like, I'll out the socialists on the for wars, basically.

[Dave Anthony]

And so there's. So they discuss. And then he hands over 14 secret reports on leftists that are very detailed. They're written by a police spy. And they're. All their conversations are written down and deliberations and who to watch. It's just all this. And they're written by Henry Danmeier. Now Henry Danmeyer, if you recall, is the guy who vouched.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

At the beginning, who was like, this guy's great, let him in. The anarchists. And Denmaier is a super high up guy. He's also in the arbiter bond. He's president of the free thinking organization. He's advocated that the anarchists kill three judges from the Haymarket trial. Like, he is deep in the anarchist and he's just a full on narc G we'd call him in the business. And Dan Meyer's whole thing was he would make super inflammatory statements and then get others to mimic those statements and then he'd report them to police and they'd get arrested. And the guy who's giving Dan Meyer his payment, his $60 checks, Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So what, so what is he like?

[Dave Anthony]

He's like, he's trying to save his own skin.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So. But so much so that he's just like me and him are doing it. It's not really like, it's not really much of a saver for you.

[Dave Anthony]

It's. It's such a. I mean, they know he's a cop, so he can't. He can't get. He can't get knocked out, but he's. He's just trying to stop a process.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Worse.

[Dave Anthony]

No, he's throwing this guy that is like embedded in the anarchist.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That, by the way, also probably very valuable to whatever the fuck the police are actually trying to do.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, this is a guy that's successful at it when Charlie isn't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

It's just crazy. So. So Lindmeyer gives the reports to the attorney for the Personal Rights League and then they contact the police. And that's why Charlie gets suspended.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And only suspended.

[Dave Anthony]

Only suspended.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Charlie, you've upended one of the biggest organizations and one of our best guys embedded. You're gonna be off for the weekend.

[Dave Anthony]

So that attorney was getting ready to present the case against Charlie to the police board when Charlie Harvey now comes forward and says he'll be a witness.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Which kind of makes sense because. Right. Because Charlie had gone against the cops and over their Underco operation. So it kind of makes sense that his cop buddy would now help him out or help out the go against to get him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

And remember, Harvey's the guy that was there when he beat the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

Beat up the guy in the meeting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

When he got up, held the gun up, but he also beat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, no, no.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, no, you're right. You're right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, you're Right. No, no. So nobody could do anything bad.

[Dave Anthony]

Correct? Yep. Sorry. My bad. So the attorney is a little bit suspicious of Harvey, but he's like, what? This guy's testimony is pretty straightforward. It can't, like, hurt. Also, he does have a grudge now. So he does submit Harvey's affidavit with all the other evidence. And then there's the Peace Board trial, and they hear Lynn Meyer's testimony. And then. And Harvey comes up to testify and he retracts everything he said in the affidavit. And now he claims instead the attorneys for the Personal Rights League tried to hire him for $1,000 to follow cops. And the board, of course, finds that there's no credible evidence now against Charlie. And he's off, scot free.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy, this is real sloppy shit. It really is.

[Dave Anthony]

It's crazy. It's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now Charlie's okay?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he's fine. He got out of it. He got what he wanted. He got out of it. It didn't happen exactly as he wanted, but he still got out of it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So that night, Harvey goes out drinking after the. After his big test testimony.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Big, Big. Yeah, it's like the theater.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah. He's. They're partying and laughing and bragging about how he pulled the fast one on the Personal Rights League and made them look stupid. He leaves the saloon, three anarchists jump him. Quote, his eyes were closed, great knots stood out on his forehead, and his lips were split open. He came staggering into the armory shortly after and began to call loudly for his friend Nordrum to avenge his wrongs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nordrum. So they. All right, they just beat the shit out of him, swelled his eyes up.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then he goes, classic cop, by the way.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Walks into the armory screaming for help.

[Dave Anthony]

So of course, Charlie's back on the force after all, all that, Right? And he. He catches a jewel thief. He goes to Milwaukee to pick up truants. It's the usual cop stuff. And then suddenly, a month later, the Chicago Tribune reported that he unexpectedly resigns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's not good if this guy is just quitting. Yeah, something's coming. He's getting ahead of something. It's like when Matt Gaetz was like, I will fight this to the end. And then the next day, he's like, I'm on cameo. I'm 55. So.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, Nordrum entered Barry's saloon in a slightly intoxicated state Sunday evening about 7 o'clock, and reaching over the counter, discharged his revolver. The bullet entering the floor. The report of the weapon Attracted quite a crowd. A number of people rushing in from the theater adjoining. And the billiard hall, back of the saloon. Okay, first of all, great, great setting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

To Dave and Buster's.

[Dave Anthony]

But I think we've matured enough as American people now that when there's gunshots, we go the other way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. If we do anything, a lot of us are just like, that's fine. That's what he's fired 5. There's only a couple left.

[Dave Anthony]

One went into the ground. We're good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was driving the other day and thought that I heard gunshots and was very much like, yeah, I don't know what. What I do. And it's just very strange that I didn't hear them. But you just are so comfortable in this country thinking that things are just going to be shooting at you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So that's cool.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So. And then continuing the. The newspaper report, Norderm evidently did not mean any harm, and he was in a jolly mood and was let off with a rebuke from his friends for carrying a revolver while under the influence of liquor. So it was just a big.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Okay. So here's. Here is the issue.

[Dave Anthony]

You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I thought he was out of line.

[Dave Anthony]

Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He was just having a big old goof off.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He's having a party.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like a puppy starts funding with a gun a little bit. He's having an old fun gun. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

When you're reaching over the bar.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Sometimes your gun will go off. That's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, you're holding it, but you're holding it so other people can't get it, which is how you're supposed to do it. That's one of the first things they teach you in law enforcement.

[Dave Anthony]

Keep it up in the air.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And if you go and it's not in someone else's.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So that's how that works.

[Dave Anthony]

And nobody can get hurt if it's in your hand.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no. And he shot it in the. Yeah. No. This guy's good stuff. This is good stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

But apparently there's a detective lieutenant guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Here we go.

[Dave Anthony]

Who cares about it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Paperwork pushing nerd.

[Dave Anthony]

And he files charges.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

And then that's why Charlie resigns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

For nothing. For nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For nothing. For doing nothing.

[Dave Anthony]

Thankfully, Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on. He's back.

[Dave Anthony]

The Pinkertons, however. Right back. Because they know a good guy when they hear one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he wasn't Pinkerton material prior to this?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he's been three times.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

At this point.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But now this. They're like, you really are a piece of shit.

[Dave Anthony]

Now now you're.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are a big piece of shit. Get over here, secret cop.

[Dave Anthony]

So he works this train robbery case farm for a while, and then after he's done with the train robbery case, he is rehired as a cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Walk me through their ladder. It's upside down. The worse you get, the more you're employable.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, I guess when you're a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bigger piece of dog shit. So he fires a gun into a bar floor. He's too big. He's busted for that. The cops can't. He has to leave the police force realizing he's a huge lump of shit. The Pinkertons snag him up. After being a big piece of shit there for a while, the cops are like, you know what? He was real bad. Yeah, get him back.

[Dave Anthony]

Get him. Get him back over here. You know, I think it was the classic thing. They were like, look, go away for a little bit. Go work with the Pinkerton for a little bit, and then I won't forget about it and we'll have you back. That's what it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was canceled. They canceled me.

[Dave Anthony]

So he gets back to work. Papers reported he arrested Benjamin Schumacher. Quote, 14 years old, the champion boy forger.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the. There's a lot going on there. Welcome to the forgery championships. It's hard for us to know who wins this because everybody here is a professional forger. And he's 14.

[Dave Anthony]

Schumacher is a chubby little rosy cheeked lad, scarcely out of his short trousers, but yikes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But. So they're there. But he's a great forger for a teenager.

[Dave Anthony]

Champion forger of. Out of all the 14 year olds who are forging, he's the best. 14.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, he's the. He's great at forgery because at that.

[Dave Anthony]

Point they judge forging on how old you are until you're 18, and then it's. Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Then you hit the adult leagues.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, adult. Yeah. I couldn't find anything else about that. Trust me, I looked for it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's hard to trace.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Whoa. Look at you, you little rascal. He arrested Ivan Shea, a dealer in butter and cheese and a member of the United Norwegian.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, sir. Sir, I'm gonna need to see some identification before you walk past me with that turn. What'd you say, pal?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I'm with the Butter and Cheese department.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How are you with Butter and Cheese with the two cops named Butter and Cheese? I'm John Butter. This is Daniel Cheese.

[Dave Anthony]

Wait, you got you guys named Butter and Cheese?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, yes, this is.

[Dave Anthony]

But, yeah, but you're from your Butter and cheese here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Your story's got more hold than my partner's Swiss counterpart. Don't forget, his name's Dan. Cheese.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you set these up? These like, sayings up ahead of time? Do you have them written down?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We have a. We have a. There's a document.

[Dave Anthony]

You guys not. Do you guys not Improvise, Butters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But it's not great on the fly.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay? So I don't know what's going on here, but I'm just. I just bought some. I bought some groceries, so I'm going home.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So I don't know what you guys are doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone slow down. It's me, Detective Kurds.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay? I'm out. Yeah, fucking gross wet cheese guy. And you can go yourself. Get back in your bag, man. Get back in your bag.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My name is Jonathan. I can't believe it's that butter. I'm a spray cop.

[Dave Anthony]

I hate that guy. Hi, I'm Marty Modern.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How you doing, Marty? Get out of here. Freaking creepy.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, guys. They call me. They say I'm not a real cop, but I'm a real cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

John. Gee, I'm like the best part of butter. Why are you looking at me weird? I'm like the best part of the butter. I'm like, $20 for a jar. It's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Shay is also a member of the United Norwegian Singing Society. So he's a dealer in butter, cheese, and like, I mean, this is very classic. 1800 story and also Norwegian Sing Society. So Shane Shay loans a buddy 10 bucks. And that guy, when he's gonna give the money back, he's like, to Charlie, he's like, you gonna go see Shane? He's like, yeah, I'll see him today. So he gives Charlie the $10 to give to Shay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a simple transaction that should not be brought up. Except for the fact that something went wrong.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie keeps it, of course.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a cheap piece of shit.

[Dave Anthony]

And then Shay's like, hey, man, where's that money? Can I get that money? So Charlie beats the shit out of him and knocks out three teeth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Teeth, Right. That's.

[Dave Anthony]

You know what? Mind your business.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

You know what I mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

How dare you?

[Dave Anthony]

So he then beats him up and arrests him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. That's. That's a move that he's really perfecting and I appreciate it.

[Dave Anthony]

I agree.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He beats the out of you, then you're under arrest, he assaults you, then you're going downtown.

[Dave Anthony]

That's. Which is what cops have been doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop.

[Dave Anthony]

It happened to Me once.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm on their side for that one.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I know. So this is Charlie's story. Charlie's story is that he's at the park when Shay just randomly comes up and offers a friend $5 to punch Charlie in the head or hit Charlie head with a beer glass.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, Dave, that makes sense, right?

[Dave Anthony]

That makes sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course, in a park, you can't bring a beer glass with you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, you have a beer glass in a park.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You have a props department quote.

[Dave Anthony]

When I heard that, I placed them both under arrest, but the crowd took the prisoners away from me. So then he's saying at some other time he had to go reshe because of that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, this was a redo.

[Dave Anthony]

Redo. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Double. Double up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is mulligan.

[Dave Anthony]

Like when you. When you crown in checkers and you get a king.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dave, I've asked you to stop doing checkers stuff. Nobody's playing checkers. We have phones.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, for a summer, I worked in the file room at the public defender's office in Marin County.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And your dad was an alcoholic.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. I used to just sit in there and read the cops statements, and this is what they're all like. They are so hilariously false.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And such bad lies that it's crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, it must be really interesting to actually be like a cop where, like, something like this actually did happen because you're just like, we're the occupation that cried wolf.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

They start to look quite funny the more you shave them.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. I will say I did give it to my mother and she did start demanding to see the wizard who was behind this. But. But it's just because the tech is so good.

[Dave Anthony]

Plus you don't want to see him. He's a freak.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Yeah, he's not good.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you, Gareth.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

In July 1891, Charlie with his partner, Detective King. So now Charlie's a detective. So he's with his partner, Detective King.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Better.

[Dave Anthony]

And they see this dentist, Dr. Charles Herrick, outside of his apartment, quote, somewhat under the influence of liquor. So it's a guy who's outside of his place. He's out. He's outside of his fucking apartment. He's had a few.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right. Yeah. By the way, not okay. I hope they follow up.

[Dave Anthony]

So King orders him to go up into his apartment.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't believe. Go to your room.

[Dave Anthony]

Go. Get out of here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So leave the street.

[Dave Anthony]

He said the dentist used violent, abusive language.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

Then from up above, someone threw slops toilet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The window.

[Dave Anthony]

Onto the detectives. Yes, Gareth, it is the toilet. What's inside of a chamber pot?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh. So Slops.

[Dave Anthony]

Slops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Slops is good.

[Dave Anthony]

It's good, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Did Luke just get a new nickname? Slops. Slops is good, by the way. Not enough people just collecting their waste for revenge. Splashes.

[Dave Anthony]

Right, that. I bet that. I bet that happened a lot. Think about it. Oh, my God. People throwing on other people at the window. Oh, my God. I would be known as Sloppy Anthony.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'd be sitting on your chamber pot, punching your stomach to get more slops out of your gut for revenge tosses. Come on, make more ammo.

[Dave Anthony]

Don't walk down Fourth Street. That's where Slobs Anthony lives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, no, just everywhere you go, you're in a poncho. Like, look, it's. You got to be Careful.

[Dave Anthony]

So that the slaps could have been also thrown by Dr. Gagnon, who is another dentist who lived on the fourth floor and shared a practice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they live in there?

[Dave Anthony]

It sounds like. Yeah, it sounds like they live in their offices.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So we just come up with a sitcom.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie runs upstairs, and on the third floor, he sees that there's a light on in a room, and that's a guy named Daniel White who's in his room. And Charlie pounds on the door. And White's like, well, I'm not gonna open the door for this crazy asshole pounding on my door.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely. The move.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie kicks the door in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely not. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And he arrests Daniel.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he arrests of what? Not opening your door. Sounds like Terminators.

[Dave Anthony]

He's like, the light was on. You're the guy who did it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's the slop guy. Right. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And three of his friends are also arrested. And he takes. He takes them to the armory. And Mrs. White, Daniel White's wife, she asks the first two. Two dentists, she's like, can you go bail out Daniel? I guess. Probably because you started all this shit, being drunk outside and all his friends. And so they go to bail out Daniel.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So this is cops versus dentists, which is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Finally, we have this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is waiting for a long west.

[Dave Anthony]

Side Story, the way it should have been.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

And Charlie and King are also now out looking for the dentists.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So as they're looking for the dentist, they happen upon upon this craps game. And Charlie walks up behind a guy who's just standing there. There. Charlie Murin. Sorry, William Murin, who is just watching the craps game. And Charlie pushes him over the guy playing craps.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smart. Well, I mean, you know, that's smart. Fair, normal.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's what?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Adult.

[Dave Anthony]

And William's really tall. And they start scuffling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And then Charlie pulls out his gun and puts it. Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

To make sure that nobody could get it.

[Dave Anthony]

They do. Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't skip over the reason why he's doing it. Yeah. The second you see something go down, you grab your gun and hold it out above your head to make sure nobody can do anything dangerous with it.

[Dave Anthony]

Right. And he puts. He pushes it against this Murran's guy's chest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smart.

[Dave Anthony]

And then starts, you know, escorting him away because he's going to arrest him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And Marin, of course, protesting. So Charlie takes the gun and puts it near his face and ear and shoots it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, that's not good for your ear.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he takes him to the Armory and books him for disorderly conduct and resisting a police officer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy, you're around a lot of people who are being assholes today, Charlie. Once again, a lot of people being a problem around you. The solution.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth, Have I mentioned that Charlie has a terrible drinking problem? Is probably drunk during every single one of these incidents.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It actually helps me me.

[Dave Anthony]

It does it make more sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

He's always shit faced. Yes, Always shit faced.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good. Yeah. Now, all right. He's humanized.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Okay. Well, okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I didn't know. He was just drunk the whole time. Now he's like a guy.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like, my dad's a cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie came back out of patrol looking for the dentist. And now. And then they come across. They come across him. And the dentists have just bailed out Danny White and his friends.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right?

[Dave Anthony]

And they're coming home from that. And the main Dennis says to one of his friends, that's the cop who harassed me, and that's why I got. And that's why you got arrested. So King just punches the dentist in the face because that's what you do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

And the other dentist gets involved. Now both Dennis finally get the shit beat at him, which is what they wanted to do at the beginning. That's why this all started. Because they want to beat the out of these dentists. So they finally get to beat up the dentist. So that's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And they arrested the other dentist.

[Dave Anthony]

And now they take those two dentists to Central Station. They don't take him to the armory because it's gonna be a lot harder to get bail at Central Station.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So they want them in there till Monday.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's also going to be weird if you show up again. Like, you have more dentists. You've been gone for like two hours.

[Dave Anthony]

There's a real dentist problem out there tonight. Serge is Dennis. It's like a Dennis riot. Dennis Mayhem.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you just going out looking to arrest dentists?

[Dave Anthony]

Why. Why would I do that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because if you are, you're promoted.

[Dave Anthony]

I love Dennis. Except for the. That took out the wrong molar. You know what? They all gotta pay, Sarge. Every goddamn one of the dentists. You know what pay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know it's gonna be. Let's get three of them in here and do a cavity search on them. Turn the tables. Hello?

[Dave Anthony]

Which cavity? I'm gonna make a new one. Yeah, and you better have teeth in there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, you know what I'm saying. Look, you've got daiquiri all over your uniform.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know how the human body works, Saj.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's exactly right. We're a good unit.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And everybody knows that.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's shoot somebody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, great.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop resisting you. No, no, that's what I was gonna.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, a guy. Okay, I'll do that on the street. I won't shoot one of you guys.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Me and my co workers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

All right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Farewell. Yeah. Oh, I gotta. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

The thing with the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dennis.

[Dave Anthony]

I gotta kill Dennis. You told me to kill Dennis. Right, sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just get out. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Happy cop day. I think so. So he. So this is what. So he rests that guy Mara. Right. And then at the trial, the station cop. Right. That he brings him into, testifies that although Charlie was drinking, he's not greatly affected by liquor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That he's an alcoholic.

[Dave Anthony]

He's. So that guy. I put this in the record.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He doesn't too sober.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie can handle a buzz like no, nobody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Charlie has such an issue that there's no issue.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he. He can. I mean, you want. He. He holds his liquor. He's basically arresting liquor every night. That's how he's on top of it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Charlie's been dead for years.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, if he had been, he couldn't. If he had been, he couldn't have handled the man. So he's saying if he was so drunk it affected his job, then he couldn't have handled. Killed the guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the guy presses. Yeah, then the guy presses charges against Charlie. The tr. The Tribune quote, marin's eye is badly blackened and his eyebrows burned. So that's where he shot the gun near his face.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ. He burned his eyebrows off.

[Dave Anthony]

He claims he was thus injured when Nordrum fired his revolver to intimidate him. So Charlie said he had been minding his own business. He did it again. It's just like when he was in the park.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How many times does this guy.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm hanging out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I gotta tell you, I got a black kalau the following me.

[Dave Anthony]

You can't stand around in the streets anymore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy, oh boy.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's mind his own business when Moran just walked up and grabbed his gun from behind and threw it into a basement, as they do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the gun went off. So he punched Moran and arrested him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now some people are going to hear that and think far fetched.

[Dave Anthony]

I just love that he brought the basement.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I also love that it felt like he had a long time to come up with a story and he made it up on the fly.

[Dave Anthony]

On the fly? Yeah, on the fly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then he threw it in the basement. And then. So I beat him up because my gun went off in the basement. And then he burned his own eyebrows off. Celebrating with a cigar.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, the Moran ends up being found guilty, and he's fined $3.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good.

[Dave Anthony]

But this gets the attention of the Chief of Police, McLauri, who's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I want you to replace me when I retire Charlie.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie and King are fired.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Thomas Pinkerton's.

[Dave Anthony]

The end of the story. Can't go on right now. And then the chief recommends Charlie for the World's Fair Police Department, because the World's Fair is getting started and they need a police force.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fair is not.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, the World's Fair is a giant thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a. It's like its own city. So in September 1891, Charlie is hired as the chief of the World's Fair Police.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why is that happening? So it really is just about moving him around. Yeah. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

They like him. At the end of the day, they like Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, yes. People care.

[Dave Anthony]

They don't care about the dentists or anybody else that he's fucking up. So basically, he and his men are going to guard the property as they're building massive buildings and construction for the fair. That's in, like, a year and a half or two years away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Within a month, he has already gotten a $20 raise a month.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's done nothing.

[Dave Anthony]

He's done nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. When I was a kid, I used to. My brother would watch reruns of the Andy Griffith Show. That show, really, it was like, two guys who, like, didn't want to arrest anyone. It is so opposite to what the actual. Like, it's like they're dead set on arresting everybody.

[Dave Anthony]

Everybody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But, like, if you could just go back to, like. We don't want to do that.

[Dave Anthony]

Right, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But instead, it's like, everyone go to jail.

[Dave Anthony]

Everyone. You looked at me. We'd go to jail.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, when I was in college, we had a party at our house, and they busted it up, and my buddy was supposed to stay with us that night. They're like, do you live here? And he goes, no. And they go, we'll go. And he's like, I'm too drunk. My plan wasn't to drive much. And they made him get in his car and turn on the ignition. And then they arrested him for dui. Oh, yeah. Good stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See, my brother has that story, but the cops followed him home, like, two blocks and let him off.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah, there's that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But then when I got that, when I got When I got my DUI shout out, I. Dude, I was really like. No, I really. I was like trying to like talk to the. I was like, I could probably talk my way out of this. And it was. Yeah, it was a sad, sad night of me being like, where are you from? I was like trying crowd work. I was like, man's like, so shut the up.

[Dave Anthony]

My buddies back in the 80s, my buddy's dad would get pulled up. They knew him, the cops knew him. They would get pulled over by the cops all the time driving home drunk, and they would just have him park his car and drive him home.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Home, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And drop them off at home.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, because there was this sense of this like there. The. The worth of it was to like make it all just a little bit easier and like, absolutely, you know, if there were problems, intervene as much as you could. But it wasn't just like, get it for white people. Yes. Yes. For whites, yes. But that was like if at some point it I. Obviously when you came up with like enormous prisons where it's like prisons for profit, everything gets.

[Dave Anthony]

Everything changes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Obviously.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah. So he's the chief of police of the World's Fair, November. 1. One of his men sees a yacht capsize off 67th street in Lake Michigan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

It's freezing cold. And they think they see people clinging to the side. So the Tribune reported that Charlie had his men search a long time, long after everybody else gave up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He.

[Dave Anthony]

He had his men still out there looking, but they don't find anybody. There's no sign of any sailors and no boats that had put out from South Chicago there. No, there's no one missing. There's no boats missing. So the. The papers think that maybe the people just saw something out there, like a log or something, and they mistook it for a. A boat. And they imply that Charlie is kind of a fucking idiot for wasting so much time looking for a not thing that's real.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he had an alcoholic blackout. Mirage people, for sure.

[Dave Anthony]

He was drunk for sure. So then two days later, two hats are found on the beach. Quote, Sergeant Carrie of the world's police force found a red and brow scotch plains caps such as Yachtman might wear in the lake at the 59th Street.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, well, well.

[Dave Anthony]

The red and blue satin lining was heavily matted with sand, but there was nothing about it to designate the owner. And then the other hat found the same. So suddenly Charlie is correct for.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they found two hats. Two hats for the beach. At the beach. And now that means that he's a And by the way, they didn't find those people.

[Dave Anthony]

They found nothing else.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they didn't really do anything.

[Dave Anthony]

Nothing else from the ship.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But even if those people existed, they died. So maybe less of a waste, but still amazing. Last we found a spade. And so it's pretty obvious what's going on here. It's a bucket of spade.

[Dave Anthony]

So his drinking behavior only gets worse. One day, he goes into a bar and just starts yelling at the bartender, quote, unbecoming names. And then he pulls out his gun, and everyone runs out of the bar because the guy pulled out his guns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He will shoot it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So he gets arrested, and he hears a guy another time talking about him. So he goes to the guy's job. It's the world's fair fairgrounds. And he takes the guy to Hyde park and declares him a vagrant, beats the out of him and arrests him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he takes him to the park to make him seem like a vagrant, to beat the out of him. Yeah, it's a weird drive over there.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, it's a long drive, but whatever. So charges are also filed against Charlie, but no cop wants to arrest him. They're all just charges. They either like him or they're scared of him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Scared of him? This is. This is Trump in the Republican Party. They're just like, dude, I'm not crazy about it, but I also don't want to get in front of it.

[Dave Anthony]

So this guy, Constable Gilbert, is told to bring him in. That's his job. It's his assignment. And days go by and he's not getting Charlie. And the papers start mocking him because he can't find the guy who's always working at the world's fairground.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Or I can't. Every time I look. So after a few days, Charlie turns himself in, saying he's tired of waiting to be arrested.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow, that's pathetic.

[Dave Anthony]

And then a really rich Chicago guy pays his bond, saying he would back Charlie no matter what happened.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Love it.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie's my guy. So a lot of people want Charlie fired now, but the fair superintendent comes out and says, Charlie Nerdum is doing a fine job.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's very good.

[Dave Anthony]

He's great. And then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is this the story of how the holster got invented?

[Dave Anthony]

Two months later, Charlie is arrested when two fair cops charge him with assault and battery.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bro, Charlie, he's. I think he wants to be fired. He's asking to be let go.

[Dave Anthony]

He just wants to do his thing, man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just like, hey, man, we'll figure it out.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie owed One of the guys. 10 bucks. And when the guy asked for it, Charlie punched him and then kicked him a few times in the face.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This. Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the second.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you give him $10, walk away.

[Dave Anthony]

Walk away. The second cop came in and tried to stop it, and he did, I guess. But then 30 minutes later, Charlie found the second cop and beat his face with the butt of his gun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

So they filed charges, but then neither cop shows up to the trial and the case is dismissed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fear's powerful.

[Dave Anthony]

So somehow the chief of construction of the fair has power and he fires Charlie for beating up the two cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

The Tribune reported, quote, the captain was credited with being a remarkably good officer when he could forego his propensity to fight.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's Charlie.

[Dave Anthony]

That's. That's the thing about Charlie. They're saying Charlie is a really good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When he's not drunk and he's not fighting, when he's not shooting his gun at people and he's not breaking the law, when he's not being arrested, when he's not trying to not be arrested, when he's not driving people to places where they wanted to beat the shit out of him. This guy's an unbelievable officer.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I mean, I think what they're saying.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There is 845 times, shame on us.

[Dave Anthony]

We. All we're asking for is sober Charlie to be a cop. When Kai. When he's not sober, he's in a real.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are in an abusive relationship thinking that this person is going to change at this point.

[Dave Anthony]

Absolutely.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are the issue.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's rehired by the Pinkertons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is fucking nuts. That they're like, back in Charlie. You real piece of shit. Get over here. You're unbelievable.

[Dave Anthony]

They were about to go to Homestead, Pennsylvania, in July 1892 to invade the Carnegie Steelworks and take out the strikers. Now, if you remember this, they picked up Charlie to lead them, and the plan was to sneak up the river at night on a barge and overtake the mill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, it's just crazy shit to be like. That's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

The Tribune, quote, leading a body of armed men to attack upon a labor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Unit invading a mill.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He will prove himself of esteemable value. Now this. This is in episode 346.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think it's 336 if I'm not.

[Dave Anthony]

Ever talk to me again. Again. So the strikers are waiting for the Pinkertons to come on their little ship. They get word ahead of time, right? And their barge lands by the mill and Charlie is On deck and he yells, quote, we're coming up that hill anyway and we don't want any more trouble from you men. And then he goes, blow deck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Interesting, interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the shooting and fighting starts. A Pinkerton later testified, quote, when it came to the pinch in the fight, Captain Nordrum and the other officers in charge deserted us. So the Pinkertons end up surrendering to the strikers and they have to walk a gauntlet through the town where they are hit. And Charlie gets hospitalized because he got hit on the back by a club.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he. You just, just don't understand the pain a guy like that probably went through being hit right back of the head with something like blunt force.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I just say, a guy doing his job, mining, minding his own business, a hero. A hero and a hero saying that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He'S ready to knock back down and then going and sleeping on the poop deck.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I ask you a question?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

What's a poop deck?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you mean? What's the poop deck on a boat? Well, it's pretty obvious what it is.

[Dave Anthony]

What is it?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's where the poop couple spank it. I'm not going to say it again. It's very Trump not to keep bringing up Trump, but January 6th, Trump, where he's like, we're going to show him. They're not going to take. We're going to go there as he's like, got one foot in a car. Are we going to take our democracy back? And then he's like, fucking gone. He's like, in Mar a Lago while people are like, hey, where is he? We're not going to let you people at the mill show that you're. We're coming for you, motherfuckers. Three, two, one. I'm going to go downstairs, watch DirecTV.

[Dave Anthony]

So, yeah, the poor guy, poor guy gets hit from on the back. And then after he recovers, he stays in Pennsylvania as William Pinkerton's representative. One of his duties is to go to hospitals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's what's on the poop deck.

[Dave Anthony]

One of his duties is to go to hospitals to intimidate administrators with his gun to keep the press out of all this shit. No, don't let the press in to talk to the injured strikers and being.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, he's best when he's got that gun in his hand. Let him talk. That's when Charlie's making it work.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's old classic Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good.

[Dave Anthony]

He's cooking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let him go.

[Dave Anthony]

He's cooking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

At that at that time, he. He denied that he was Detective Nordrum, and he.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How does that even possible anymore? People like, bro, you beat my dad.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he used a lisp.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's first of all wrong for him to do appropriations at this point. Oh, man.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not how you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I, too, am worried that they're gonna know who I am. Which is why I've come up with a disguise.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh. Mustache of the mouth. Mouth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right here. You see, Charlie, My last name begins with an end. Whatever it is. Get ready to meet. Yeah, exactly. Get ready to meet. Well, hi there. My name's Mr. Rehnquist.

[Dave Anthony]

Hi, Mr. Rehnquist. God, I'd never know you were Charlie except for your face.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Try to poke some. Try to poke some holes in here. I'll come with your hair. Yeah, I need to talk to some of the witnesses and make sure that nobody's in the hospital.

[Dave Anthony]

Should you. Should you maybe change your hair a little bit or shave?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Try to poke hole. To be the staff at the hospital. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Yeah. Hi, Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Okay, fine.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry. I just saw you and I didn't. You didn't say anything.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Charlie. That's. Charlie's not my name.

[Dave Anthony]

Did you hurt. Did you get punched in the face?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Punch in the face? No. Oh, gosh. In this day and age, you're really coming at me for that? I have a lisp. Thank you so much. Sorry. I'm actually here to check on my father. His name is Buing Von Wachpald. See? And I'm an in. And then I'm in and nobody get it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And I'll be holding the gun.

[Dave Anthony]

There's no way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll be holding the loaded gun too.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. There's no way anybody would.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This. Oh, wow. This is a revolver. What's the big deal?

[Dave Anthony]

But the paper was not fooled and reported on his movements. Quote, he meandered up and down Fifth Avenue last night wearing a hat of pure white, spotless whiteness. It was a peculiar hat, was that white and small and sloping. But the little boys did not sing the scared ditty of inquiry that they sometimes do for the wearer at a piercing, stern, forbidden expression.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, I'm gonna tell you, it says a lot that in this story, whoever wrote that article is the worst person. Jesus Christ. Was the hat white? White hat with a whiteness and a bit of white on it. The children were frolicking. Cake.

[Dave Anthony]

So the Senate holds an investigation into what happened at Homestead. And a World's Fair guard testified and he was asked if he could bring Charlie before the committee, quote. So they're asking the witness if he can get Charlie to come in and testify.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, that's the weakest in the world. Aren't you the Senate?

[Dave Anthony]

Hi, could you get. Could you get Frank and Billy to come in to also do this?

[Gareth Reynolds]

So we're a little nervous.

[Dave Anthony]

Office, quote. Hardly. Since he was discharged from the World's fair police force, he and I have not been on extra good terms. In fact, he has threatened to do me on site. And if I should see him, I think I would do him. So that guy's not going to help.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, his quotes age poorly. As well as he should. Definitely. Like this Set it like, can you get him? That was like. That was. That was like when they said the Senate, like, calls people before and be like, no, no, no. You're like, all right, cool. So that's the end of that.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's done a great job for the Pinkertons. They love. They love the work he's done. And he is hired by the Chicago Police Department.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus. This is one of those ones where I don't even find it funny. It just is like. Like you. There's probably. There's room for this to be funny. That is shocking.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is in one man's lifetime.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, maybe he had the list, but.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They didn't know they were hiring him.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, yeah, they could have thought they were hiring somebody else.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My name. Just call me Duck.

[Dave Anthony]

It's so insane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1893, the World's Fair, by the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Way, the Pinkertons at this point should be like, dude, we're done hiring you. I mean, this is. You got to stick around. There's no loyalty.

[Dave Anthony]

Did you. No one else can do the lisp. You keep saying that, but no one can do the lisp.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Get me the lisp. Did someone call for someone like this? There's an officer of the law. Me. I didn't even know we had special forces in this town.

[Dave Anthony]

You sound like Duffy, Duck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's why I said call me Duck. Special forces in this town? What are you, cuckoo bananas?

[Dave Anthony]

At the world's Fair, there's a five story building. It's called the greatest refrigerator on earth. It has a 200 foot chimney, iron chimney on the roof. To operate the refrigeration units. It's to operate the refrigeration units. It's got this big chimney and they built a wooden structure around the top of the smokestack because they want it to not look like that. All the fair has the appearance a Certain top thing on every building. So they want that on the top.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

On July 10th, a fire breaks out because it's a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you think it's because they put wood on fire?

[Dave Anthony]

So firefighters from the shop, police, fire department come and the World's Fair fire department, and there's 20 firemen and who get trapped on this platform because fire below hits and fire above. So they're trapped. There's no way out. A couple slide down hoses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

But then those hoses get burned halfway.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The hoses.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah, hoses burn.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hoses.

[Dave Anthony]

Hoses burned back then. I think hoses might, but they probably don't now. But for a long time, hoses burn. Then other firemen start sliding down the hoses to the end of those, and then they fall off and die.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And by the way, there's like tens of thousands of people watching this. And the last fireman left on the platform after everyone's gone is a Sigurd nerdrum. That's Charlie's 28 year old brother.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God. Oh, not V. Not. Not Figo.

[Dave Anthony]

No, not Vigo. The younger brother. He slides and drops and lives. He broke both his knees, a collarbone, most of his ribs and had severe burns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Charlie takes him the department. He's like, it's an accident. They're like, and you say no more, Charles. We got it out of him.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie's like, I didn't do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course not, Charlie. Wink, wink. We understand, my man. Man, we'll finish this guy off for you.

[Dave Anthony]

Only three of the 20 guys survived. He spent six months in the hospital so Sig had cared for their mother. And he's also a member of the Knights and Ladies of Honor, which is this fraternal organization where the mayor goes to speak. He was the private secretary for the Chicago Fire Chief. He just happened to be there when the call went out and he. He jumped on. So he's a. He's a opposite of Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, he's a hero.

[Dave Anthony]

A hero and a good guy. And work.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Charlie does what he's known for. He is out late and he's drunk. And he sees this 60 year old night watchman named Julius Dyckman. And Charlie thinks Julius has been talking behind his back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ, you talking shit.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, well, he goes up to him, he goes, you know who I am? And Julius is like, yeah, I know, you're Charlie. And then he tries to pass Charlie and Charlie punches him. So Julian goes down, but then he gets up and runs. But he's also 62. Charlie chases him and Julius turns and hits Charlie with his cane. And then he runs into a police station and Charlie chases him in. He's like, I'm gonna kill you, Julius. And the sergeant on, on night duty separates them and he's like, Charlie, get the out of here. And Charlie curses the sergeant and then the whole police department and he's threatening the sergeant and all of the police in the station. And then the sergeant's like, you gotta get the fuck outta here. And Charlie starts to, but then he lunges at Julius. So the sarge knocks Charlie down and just starts fucking beating the shit out of him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice. A lot.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, he really beats up Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice. There we go.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he arrests Charlie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice. There you go. Was that so hard? Christ. Newton man.

[Dave Anthony]

The Newton Press quote, the ruffian looked as if he had been in a collision with a cable car. He lost several teeth, suffered the fracture of three ribs, had both eyes blackened, his scalp peeled open, and was confined to his bed for a week.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, peeling open the scalp.

[Dave Anthony]

Fun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. That's a beating. That's a beating.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a, when you're punching a guy's skin off, you're really.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a beating. When you saran Wrapped the scalp.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So I, I, I don't know if that was on the same night that his brother went to the hospital or the next night, really close to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So one of them we want to pull through and the other we need to pass.

[Dave Anthony]

He was also arrested. So he gets bailed out by polit politician and ex saloon keeper that he knows. He delays his first court date by saying he couldn't leave home due to his injuries. And his second court date because his brother is severely injured at the World's Fair fire.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he knows he's fucking fucked.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And he's using the. Because the cops are now against him in this one. So he's using his brother as an excuse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

Great. Great stuff. A week later he says he's out of town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It'd be great if he had a list, but like it was part of the problem. He's like, oh no. Holy shit, I'm my character from earlier in the story.

[Dave Anthony]

Then the next, the next hearing, he says he's out of town getting his mom, who's gonna come take care of Julius. And when he does that third excuse, the judge orders a charge of assault and battery with intent to kill added and says Charlie has to be arrested again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's great. That's not contempt. He's like all Right. Let's put a manslaughter on there.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, exactly. So in court, Charlie's lawyer presents him as an angel. The. The sergeant testified that Charlie repeatedly threatened to kill Julius and was, quote, very blasphemous and used language that was coarse and brutal. And Charlie's acquitted.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good Lord, man. When you got it at the one yard line, you gotta punch it in. You got to punch it in.

[Dave Anthony]

And guess who's fined? Julius.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Julius. Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

And Julia has paid the court cost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Now Charlie. Charlie's lawyer asked the court to waive Julius's fine as a request from Charlie. And the court said no. But apparently this is a thing Charlie always did after he beat someone up. And then the guy gets arrested and fined. Then Charlie be like, oh, can you waive the fine? Like, he's trying to present himself as like a nice guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Honestly, it's such a low bar that you almost fall for it. You're like, that is mildly redeemable.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, mildly. Very mildly. So he's no longer on the police force and he gets hired working as a detective for the Chicago and Indiana railroad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

While there, he assaults a man who was sitting at the station reading a paper.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. He take the guy just bad.

[Dave Anthony]

He went up to the guy and he's like, let me see a ticket. But he doesn't have any. He's not in uniform. He's like, crazy. And so the guy's like, get. And then he ends up beating the guy up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Unhinged to just get on a train. Because you're in law enforcement tickets.

[Dave Anthony]

No, at the station.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, at the state. Either way, at the station, it's worse. At the station it is worse.

[Dave Anthony]

It's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Either way, it's absurd to be like, I'm going to take on the ticket roll.

[Dave Anthony]

So he takes this guy to the office, he searches him, he takes him back downstairs, and then he beats him up again a second time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This man has a full on problem with. This is a. He has an addiction to abuse and.

[Dave Anthony]

He'S a raging alcoholic. Like, he's the worst combination of like, those things. Now in this crazy surprise twist, Augusta files for divorce in 1898.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm shocked it took so long for.

[Dave Anthony]

Desertion, cruelty, and habitual drunkenness. She immediately starts calling herself a widow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Because he died from booze.

[Dave Anthony]

Even though they live on the same block. And every year, Augusta was listed in the Chicago directory as a widow of Charles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Even though they're living in the same neighborhood.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. That's Nice. That's good. That's a good one.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, we have a winner of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We have a winner. We also have, like, again, you would think, like. Like, you know, like, whoever is printing that up would be like, I wish we could. But unfortunately, instead, like that. Legally. You're clear. You can do that. You can legally do that.

[Dave Anthony]

So Charlie's assaults are getting more and more violent, and he no longer has the support of his wife's powerful family, which he had before. And when it looked like he might actually serve time for an assault, he offers to join the army. Army.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus.

[Dave Anthony]

Because that's a thing that people could do. You could be like, oh, can I do army instead?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. We need your type here.

[Dave Anthony]

The court refuses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. For the court to be like, you're too violent. Yeah. We don't believe you. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

The court, quote. Sorry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Concerned us.

[Dave Anthony]

The Chicago Times Herald, quote, such persons have no place in the Army.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Amazing. Now he would absolutely be in the army.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Charlie began to be frequently convicted of assault. So it's really coming apart now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Because his wife's not protecting him. Clearly, the cops are not on his side anymore. He's just a. He's not on the force. He's just a piece of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can we just say, hell of a run. Hell of a run.

[Dave Anthony]

How long did he take? Them, like, think they.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like hell.

[Dave Anthony]

Right. He's bad. He's bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If anything, they're in the wrong now.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Precedent says that he's allowed to do this.

[Dave Anthony]

He's never serving very much time, though. He. He's getting. He's getting convicted, but they're very short, short stints. And after a year, after his divorce, he's arrested and fined $25 because he goes to Augusta's house and scares the. Out of her. Quote. She's almost in hysterics. And he fights three cops. He fights three cops. Yeah. I get it. Took me a minute. She's a widow. He's a dead guy. A lisping ghost. The lisping ghost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

PBS is important.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So he fights these three cops. One of them he beats up severely. So he's just. He's just turned into a nightmare. Like, he is the exact.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's not just a regular alcoholic who's just violent as.

[Dave Anthony]

But he. This is the respect.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Without. Without the. Without the. The help of all these organizations.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

To keep him out of trouble and put him where he belongs. He's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Descending into that fucking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Hellhole.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's mad with power.

[Dave Anthony]

Power. Not. Yeah. Matt. Without power. Now. Yeah. Sigmund living his life. He marries Lena Bruns and they move to Milwaukee. And he works for a manufacturer of agriculture equipment, other machinery. He serves as a secretary. What a life of the Alice Company mutual aid society. He's re elected many times. He's a member of several fraternity organizations. He becomes president of the school board. Their other brother, vgo, moves to Minneapolis. He has six kids. At some point, Vigo changes his last name to Frson, which is his mother's maiden name.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because he's so embarrassed.

[Dave Anthony]

I think so. Because Sig. Sigmund also changes his name.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

They completely changed their names. To not be associated with this or.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maybe to be away from maybe. So he can't find. Find them.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, maybe. Charlie spent the rest of his life working for different detective agencies. So he's still getting. Yeah, private detectives are like, yeah, sure, sure. They're muscle, right. They're literally. They're literally just looking for a guy to go beat up. Strikers like that. He's perfect. The newspaper reports of his assault slowly died down over the years. Probably harder to beat people up as he got older, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No, it's just like everything. Father times undefeated.

[Dave Anthony]

And in 1940, Charlie passes away at 83 from heart disease. His final job was watchman for the Hargrave Detective Agency. There is. He is. He dies. Just nobody cares. There's no. No nothing in the paper. No obituary, no notice of death. He's just gone. Nobody gives a. Died as he should.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, well, piece of. You're grieved like a piece of.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean the, the. The story here is that, that you. You have to be so over the top a monster to get fired from these places.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's also the fact that. And yeah, it is. It's also that, you know, you gotta get rid of these pieces of shit early for the. You just have to. You can't let them fester. You can't let them take hold. You cannot, you have to have. Let that. You can just. You, you need to have the gumption and the conviction to be like they.

[Dave Anthony]

Shouldn'T be there in the first place. No, they need to, they need to do psychological.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But I don't even mean. I don't. I even mean outside of cops shit. Like anyone who's being supposed to be representative of anyone and has power, you need to just fucking be like if they're problematic, like that's what you see now is like when it comes to government, if they're on your side, there's no problem with them. If they're against your side. Everything they do is wrong. There is nobody who actually gives a fuck. Like, I. McCarthy. Senator McCarthy. Senator McCarthy is like the craziest thing in the world because when that actually all falls apart, it's so. It's just like. Everyone's like, yeah, dude, what the fuck have you been doing? Like, it's just like, this is absolutely fucking crazy, dude.

[Dave Anthony]

Dude.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like. But it takes hold and it just becomes so problematic.

[Dave Anthony]

So this. This story was discovered while in Momini was researching something else. She's the one who found it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She does the dollop quizzes. Patreon.com the.

[Dave Anthony]

The source is Chicago Tripun, the Interocean paper, the Milwaukee Journal, the Milwaukee Sentinel, Pittsburgh Dispatch, US And Norway. Census records, birth and death certificates. Chicago and Milwaukee directories. Michael Schaeck. Anarchy and anarchists. The history of the Red Terror and social revolution in America, Europe, Communism, socialism and nihilism in doctrine. And indeed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I. If people have stuck around just because you mentioned Milwaukee, can I clean clear something up? My buddy Brett Stepke, who I talked about on an episode when he won the sausages at a Milwaukee Bucks game. You remember the story?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He won sausages for a year from. Oh, yeah, yeah, I think Clemens sausages for a year at a Milwaukee Bucks game. And he got very sick of the sausages. So he would hang out at the grocery store. They sold the sausages.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He would hang out near the sausages, and I told the story as. When he was near the sausages, he would see people who were going for the two varieties he had or any variety, and he would offer them the coupon if they would buy a different version of the sausages for him. He stayed with me for a minute with his girlfriend, and he was like, you got the story wrong. He wasn't asking them to buy a different type of sausage. He was. He was asking them for money. So he was hanging out by the sausages, trying to sell coupons to people at the sausage section of Sendex grocery store in the wall.

[Dave Anthony]

Did it work? Work?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It worked. But sometimes. But most times people are like, you. You work here? And you'd be like, no, no, I don't even work here. No, I just want a bunch of sausages from a buck Scan like this explanation. People like, if. Get the. Away from me.

[Dave Anthony]

If a guy. Plus, people have to know what Brett looks like. But if a guy. If a guy came up to me and said that, I'd be like, yeah, but, yeah, absolutely. Give me your sausage coupon like, I would totally.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I 100 would not engage. I'd be like, you wouldn't.

[Dave Anthony]

I would absolutely. Barely. That is the kind of guy that I. I'm just for the game alone, I'm giving him money if I let.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Him get into it. And I started to understand. But I would be like, I would have AirPods in and I'd be like, I can't. I'm sorry. I'm in a rush. I would say I'm in a rush. I'm in a rush for everything. Whenever someone's trying to stop me for, I would be like, I'm in a rush. But he's hanging out by the sausage section, and he is a. He's a disarm. He's a very char. He's. He is very good talking to people. People.

[Dave Anthony]

But, yeah, he's good talking to people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a real battle, no matter what, to hang out and watch people. Imagine someone watching you buy sausages. Yeah, hey, I noticed you were gonna buy some sausages. That opener right there is like, buddy, I need five more feet distance anyway. I just want to clear that up.

[Dave Anthony]

That's the.

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