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Bill Burr
I'm this weird part of my life. I really am.
Dave Anthony
Bill Burr, Drop Dead Years, a hilarious stand up special is now streaming on Hulu.
Bill Burr
I am getting along with my wife better than I ever have. All you have to do is agree to something that you would never do. Farmer's Market. Oh, boy, would I. My buddy dies, I show up to the funeral, open casket. You told me he was dead. I believed you.
Dave Anthony
Bill Burr, Drop Dead Years is now streaming on Hulu. Hey. Listening to the DoP on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, reads a story.
Gareth Reynolds
Dave. To Dave Goober Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about normally. But where's your little iPad that you read off of whatever seems strange that you don't have it?
Dave Anthony
Seems like I'm mad at.
Gareth Reynolds
It seems.
Dave Anthony
No, no, I'm mad at my iPad. No, because I bought an iPad, Dave. I went to the Verizon store.
Gareth Reynolds
Dave.
Dave Anthony
Chad, I said, hey, Dave, can you set up. David, can you set up.
Gareth Reynolds
Dave.
Dave Anthony
Internet on this? Dave? And they said, what? This only has WI fi, buddy.
Gareth Reynolds
Wait, what?
Dave Anthony
I bought an iPad that only has WI fi.
Gareth Reynolds
I don't even know the difference.
Dave Anthony
Well, so I can't put it.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, you can't, you can't? What do you mean?
Dave Anthony
Got a cheap deal.
Gareth Reynolds
That's wild.
Dave Anthony
I didn't know they did that anymore.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, that seems like we got some CDs you could pop in it and get some hours. Now, Dave, we're. We're in the midst of a reverse dollop. Oh, and I'll say it right off the bat, this is going to be two.
Dave Anthony
Glory be to Jesus.
Gareth Reynolds
Super weird.
Dave Anthony
Well, I'm Mormon now.
Gareth Reynolds
Super weird. All right, you ready? You want to say anything?
Dave Anthony
Just keep it chunky.
Gareth Reynolds
Right? Okey dokey. I remember when we're still on tour, by the way. Oh, yeah.
Dave Anthony
You know, if you want to get tickets to our shows, this will go up. So we'll still have.
Gareth Reynolds
After this, we'll have plenty of shows.
Dave Anthony
Oklahoma City, and then we'll be in Tulsa. That's Tuesday, Wednesday, and then we'll go to Dallas and Houston and Austin.
Gareth Reynolds
Austin's sold out, though.
Dave Anthony
Austin sold out. So don't go to that.
Gareth Reynolds
That you can try. All right, here we go. Ready? Three, two. Gareth. Johnstown, Pennsylvania, 1852. It's going good so far.
Dave Anthony
So far? I don't know if I believe it.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, it is made up.
Dave Anthony
This is about the dam.
Gareth Reynolds
What are you talking about? Well, by the way I was like, obviously you're going to know this one. The Cambria Iron Company was founded and within two decades was the largest iron producer in the United States. Well, I'm gonna ask you to not. Mm, well.
Dave Anthony
But yeah, that's right.
Gareth Reynolds
All right. Don't be like, don't be that.
Dave Anthony
Keep on top of you.
Gareth Reynolds
Nope. The demand was mainly to build the transcontinental railroad. 100,000 pounds of steel were to build railroads. That's. There's a guy back then, they're transitioning their. It is weird. Anytime I hear him say trance, like, what is. He's like transitioning. I can't remember what he was talking about recently, but I'm like, oh, now you're pro trans. All right, asshole. 100,000 pounds of steel were needed to build the train from New York to California, and Cambria was ready to help. The factory was located in Johnstown because of all the coal and the number of waterways, including the Connemar river, which helped with shipping.
Dave Anthony
Great. I'm proud of your pronunciation.
Gareth Reynolds
Time went on as it do, and by 1881, Cambria was bought by rich guy congressman and fan of the best facial hair in the nation's history or future. The neck beard. Only Daniel J. Morell.
Dave Anthony
That's the worst.
Gareth Reynolds
It's the best one.
Dave Anthony
It's.
Gareth Reynolds
It's the best one. Without a question.
Dave Anthony
It's so upsetting.
Gareth Reynolds
It's the facial hair mullet. Yeah, it's the. It's the business on face party on the neck. Yeah, it's the best.
Dave Anthony
It's.
Gareth Reynolds
You can't beat it.
Dave Anthony
It's the worst.
Gareth Reynolds
By the way, I will grow one.
Dave Anthony
No, you won't.
Gareth Reynolds
Without question.
Dave Anthony
You do it on the last day of the podcast.
Gareth Reynolds
Without question. I will have.
Dave Anthony
It's over.
Gareth Reynolds
And I have good neck coverage. So we're going to be dealing with a turtle. We're going to have good neck. Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Why not the face part?
Gareth Reynolds
You know, it's up. There's a clip of me on Pete Holmes's podcast. And like, it's one of the ones, you know, a lot of comments and the one that I saw was this guy's like, why can't you grow a beard in those spots? I was like, proud out of here.
Dave Anthony
It's easy. Gareth is a burn victim, I should.
Gareth Reynolds
Say something like that.
Dave Anthony
So have some.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, the best was there was a guy who talked on me about something, I think one of our dollop clips, and I clicked on his profile picture and it was just him in a cave and he had Two ponytails. And he was calling us like betas. And I was like, cool. Double ponytail alpha. Anyway, so Daniel J. Morrell had some good and some bad when it came to his labor practices. Even though Morrell was insanely rich, he was anti union, but he wasn't a terrible. He wasn't a terrible magnate by today's abysmal standards. He paid $1.50 a day, just like Amazon.
Dave Anthony
Wow.
Gareth Reynolds
Which the employees appreciated so much that they would dress up in nice clothes when they went to pick up their paychecks, which is cute.
Dave Anthony
Wait, go ahead. On paycheck day, they dressed up for paycheck day?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. They would go get their paychecks. They dressed like in suit.
Dave Anthony
Because they had to go to the office.
Gareth Reynolds
No, because they were like, we respect this wage. I think they were like. They were. They were like. They took it seriously.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, but it's better. It's not.
Gareth Reynolds
It was. Whenever I get a check in the mail, I always put on a suit. Open it. That's how you do it. Don't be weird. There was around the clock work, though, and injuries, obviously. So he built a hospital near the factory. And anyone injured while working got free care, which is again, one of those funny things.
Dave Anthony
Wow. Wow. You did the thing you should do.
Gareth Reynolds
The company also built a library and a night school for the employees. There was a company store too. Johnstown was pretty happening, even if the people who inhabited it were quite poor. It was described by a journalist in 1885 as, quote, new, rough and busy with the rush of huge mills and factories and the throb of perpetually passing trains.
Dave Anthony
I don't know if that should be a throb.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, that's a definite throb. I don't think that's a trains throb.
Dave Anthony
Rum.
Gareth Reynolds
One sentence. You know what I'm talking about.
Dave Anthony
But if. If. If I got to train well.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Then why are there so many poor people?
Gareth Reynolds
That's a crazy. What? What does that even mean? Sorry, what are you talking about?
Dave Anthony
I mean, he essentially owns the whole town. So if he's paying well, then why are the poor people in the town now?
Gareth Reynolds
I'm saying there were some people who got paid well. So he's done. And he was so rich. He had so much money of his own and that was good for him.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
He won. He's beating them. Right. He is a better person.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
He has all the money. He has a neck beard.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Imagine going to the barber for a shave.
Dave Anthony
What?
Gareth Reynolds
Just the face.
Dave Anthony
I got to look him up. What's his name? Go ahead.
Gareth Reynolds
Daniel J. Morrell.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
Many of the residents could eventually afford modest homes by the nearby Kahnema Riverbank. And look, Dave, I'm not gonna lie to you. You're kind of highlighting. Yeah, you saw it.
Dave Anthony
Why would you do that?
Gareth Reynolds
It's awesome, right?
Dave Anthony
I don't know if awesome's the right.
Gareth Reynolds
It's fully clean face.
Dave Anthony
It's. It's a clean face and neck hair.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, it's awesome.
Dave Anthony
It's crazy. Who does that?
Gareth Reynolds
Awesome. People who are winning. That's like the best. I agree. I mean, that's insanely good to see. I agree.
Dave Anthony
It's not good to see.
Gareth Reynolds
It's tough to not have. Yes, exactly. It's the best. It is without question. I mean, let me see him again.
Dave Anthony
It's the worst beard ever.
Gareth Reynolds
It's just crazy. It looks like a neck merkin. It's the best. I mean, it's the best.
Dave Anthony
Like, how do you talk to someone like, how do you take someone like it seriously?
Gareth Reynolds
It looks like he's an actor with a fake chin beard and took it off to just have a conversation. It's what an off hours Santa looks like when he's getting hammered at a bar.
Dave Anthony
It's a step below Limp Bizkit.
Gareth Reynolds
Listen, it's. It's thirsty.
Dave Anthony
It's worse than Durstian. It's. It's under durst.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, it is a good understirt.
Dave Anthony
It's low durst.
Gareth Reynolds
It is low durst. We got a load nurse.
Dave Anthony
It's just the neck.
Gareth Reynolds
It's bush. It's hot bush. It's some hot neck bush. He's got a throat beaver.
Dave Anthony
It's like a pubic neck. It's really.
Gareth Reynolds
It doesn't look 100% neck pubes.
Dave Anthony
Wow. I'm really upset by this guy and I don't want him to live through this story.
Gareth Reynolds
It's called an under the chin coat. All right, so anyway, like we were saying, there was also some poor people. Look, sure. There were tramps. And some people, for the most part, were okay with it. And some people over the tramps got a little weird. Like the one guy who was really freaked out by them and in his diary kept what he called a quote, tramp count. It would read, quote, Wednesday, May 1, 1889, two tramps. Thursday, May 2, two tramps.
Dave Anthony
And any other descriptions of the tramp?
Gareth Reynolds
No, just that. Just the number. It was a numbers. It was like a tramp census.
Dave Anthony
It's counting tramp.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, it's counting tramps.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, that's fair.
Gareth Reynolds
That's how some people fall asleep.
Dave Anthony
I count tramp.
Gareth Reynolds
And so on. Okay. Then there were also hunkies.
Dave Anthony
Stamp. Stamps. I count too.
Gareth Reynolds
Okie dokie. And then there were hunkies. Put your hand down. They were also met with some resistance. That term hunkies was for Hungarians who were now being hired by the mill. And it seems like all immigrants were called hunkies by the residents. So good. Racism combined with your xenophobia. I'm not sure what it would mean.
Dave Anthony
It's not the worst of all the racist terms you can use.
Gareth Reynolds
I bet it's. I bet if a Hungarian heard that, they'd be like say that.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, I would.
Dave Anthony
What about agarian?
Gareth Reynolds
Hungarian. It's a Hungarian.
Dave Anthony
What about a gar?
Gareth Reynolds
Outside of what Morell provided, the town had a solid library, an opera house and a shitload of churches on a happening Saturday night. While you could go get a lecture at the library or take in some music in the park. Plus there were the shows. Oh, Dave. Oh, Dave. The shows. Oh, like Zozo, the Magic Queen.
Dave Anthony
Oh, God love her.
Gareth Reynolds
Which brought its own quote, special scenery car.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Or the Johnstown performance of Uncle Tom's Cabin that had actual bloodhounds in the show.
Dave Anthony
Which don't want to know what they were doing.
Gareth Reynolds
Yep. That's absolutely for sure. Now you're mad, boys. Why are we mad, dad? It's a plot. Or another show that had, quote, two topsies, two marks. Eva and her pony. Prince, an African mandolin player. And Tinker, the famous trick donkey.
Dave Anthony
Oh, my God. I want to know more about Tinker.
Gareth Reynolds
That's all I am.
Dave Anthony
Right.
Gareth Reynolds
He definitely passed away from stage beatings.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, I would think so. But until then he could play gin rummy.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. No, he was a trick donkey. A trick donkey. There was even a roller rink. There were also 123. I thought that was weird.
Dave Anthony
No, that's not weird.
Gareth Reynolds
That to me there's also there, like. It's not. I didn't put it in, but it's like there's Kodak. Cameras were happening. That feels very Kodak.
Dave Anthony
A lot of people are. Yeah, Kodak. This is a big Kodak period.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. It seems early to me because I run into.
Dave Anthony
I come across people getting. Would be given Kodaks a lot around.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. It was like a thing that was.
Gareth Reynolds
Must have been fudgeing. Incredible.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
That had to be the greatest.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
That they had to look at that. Like how like. Like 80 year olds look at kids with iPhones now. Yeah, yeah. Look at Them taking pictures and everything. But the truth is that's how I feel about phones now. I'm like, why are you taking so many?
Dave Anthony
You're the guy. Be like, just remember them in your head.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. That is closed how I feel.
Dave Anthony
No, I know. You're becoming more. As the world becomes more chaotic, you're trying to find ways to control it through.
Gareth Reynolds
Whoa, all right. Get out of my ass.
Dave Anthony
Cameras.
Gareth Reynolds
Get out of my ass.
Dave Anthony
And working out.
Gareth Reynolds
Get out of my ass.
Dave Anthony
Eventually working out, it'll just snap. My workouts are becoming more extreme and the.
Gareth Reynolds
You don't even know what my workouts are. What are you talking about? You have no clue what my workouts are. We. Before this podcast, we're having a very nice exchange about our workouts. You fucking asshole. You're such a prick. There were also 123 saloons. And since it was a steel town, the men got drunk.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Fuck yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
On Saturdays, the bars were as busy as they ever were. And at the end of every weekend, the paper would talk about some, quote, disturbance from Saturday night. Men who would be locked up for behaving in, quote, frontier fashion or having fun.
Dave Anthony
That's all I heard. Having fun.
Gareth Reynolds
I agree.
Dave Anthony
That's actually what it should be called. Where are you going? I'm going to do a little frontiering tonight.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, fun tier, fun tearing. We got some fun tier and shoot.
Dave Anthony
Shoot in the street.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. There also were phones, around 70 of them. And the Hubert house even had an elevator.
Dave Anthony
So the thing about there being some phones is there's not enough phones to make it worthwhile. Yeah, because you have a phone and they're like, no, who am I going to call?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Or then you get one and like, someone you don't like gets on and.
Gareth Reynolds
You'Re like, ah, I gotta call. I gotta call Ed.
Dave Anthony
Call Larry again.
Gareth Reynolds
Hey. Hey, it's me.
Dave Anthony
Hey.
Gareth Reynolds
How's your phone?
Dave Anthony
It's good.
Gareth Reynolds
Look at this. I'm on the other side of town giving you a call.
Dave Anthony
We've done this every day.
Gareth Reynolds
You know where they're still the only two who have these.
Dave Anthony
Yes, I know.
Gareth Reynolds
It's unbelievable the way that the world moves and it feels like we're just running behind.
Dave Anthony
This is the same conversation we have every day.
Gareth Reynolds
I'll tell you, how close is your mouth to the word port? The receiver, it's like an inch away.
Dave Anthony
That's what happened.
Gareth Reynolds
That's because I'll say, it sounds perfect. It sounds just like you're in the room with me.
Dave Anthony
Can you hear the pain?
Gareth Reynolds
But I know you're not because we're talking on a phone and we're not in the same room.
Dave Anthony
It's the same conversation.
Gareth Reynolds
How's my sound?
Dave Anthony
It's great.
Gareth Reynolds
Is it better when I'm here or here?
Dave Anthony
It's the same.
Gareth Reynolds
Hey, can I tell you I could do impression of Tinker, the trick donkey with my balls. Oh, hello. Oh, no. Oh, okay. And Dave, the Kahnema river was amazing.
Dave Anthony
Nice pronunciation.
Gareth Reynolds
The Kahnemar river was amazing for fishing. There were catfish and pike, which everyone thought was salmon at the time. Trout, eels, crawfish. It was just. You shouldn't go fishing too far downstream where the mill was dumping all of its dark black waste. The Kahnema was huge, Dave.
Dave Anthony
Huge in the sense that it's a large river physically or huge in the sense that it was both, I think.
Gareth Reynolds
Both.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, but it was so big that you could fill a lake with the water. So that's exactly what they did.
Dave Anthony
That's how rivers work.
Gareth Reynolds
Come on. This is a man made lake. This is different. All right, so they dug a lake and guess what they called it?
Dave Anthony
The Frank.
Gareth Reynolds
The Kahnema Lake. Oh, that's right above Johnstown. They dug this Kahnema Lake in an area known as South Fork. Now, the idea was it was there when they needed in time of droughts.
Dave Anthony
Sure.
Gareth Reynolds
Pretty good idea.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Something that we can both get behind that.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
The lake would hold almost 4 million gallons. And with that much water, they needed a strong dam. And the dam was constructed of mud and clay mounds and layers of small stones and layers of heavy rocks and smashed slate.
Dave Anthony
That doesn't sound good.
Gareth Reynolds
The building began in 1840. Layers, layers, layers, bro. The building began in 1840 and really went through some to get it ready. Weather was a major factor as the area would get insane rainfalls.
Dave Anthony
Hence the filling up the lake.
Gareth Reynolds
That's exactly right, dude. And the Kahnema.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
But regardless, on June 10, 1852, the dam got completed. Now, any good damsman. Any good damsman will tell you that the thing you need in a good dam, besides a lot of love, is the old sluice pipe.
Dave Anthony
Oh, I love a sluice pipe.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay, you know what? You know what a sluice is?
Dave Anthony
You know what I've been. Some of the best things you can do for a sluice pipe. Beans, prunes.
Gareth Reynolds
I think we're talking about different stuff. Hold on.
Dave Anthony
Just greens in general. Like a. I don't think we're thinking about like a salad, do you?
Gareth Reynolds
What do you think a sluice pipe is?
Dave Anthony
It's the thing that your poop comes out of.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay. All right. No.
Dave Anthony
Sluices beg to differ.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
Dave Anthony
So just. Just so you know, America you live in is one in which we both lose own sluice.
Gareth Reynolds
Sluices were drainage pipes. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, and dams. They were at the base of the dam. So what you do is during a flood or heavy rainfall, you'd open the sluice.
Dave Anthony
Yep.
Gareth Reynolds
Dave, it's not what you think it is. And then the water would slowly drain out. The. The excess water would slowly drain out. And that would help keep the water levels low so the dam would never crest over the top. I can't stress this enough, Dave. You do not want that. You don't want the water over the top of the dam. Okay.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Because if it goes over the top, then it starts undermining the structure.
Gareth Reynolds
It's exactly right.
Dave Anthony
That's exactly right. I've had this experience as well.
Gareth Reynolds
So the South Fork dam closed the sluice pipes and the lake was filled. Remember, you want to. It's good to close them. You want them closed?
Dave Anthony
We get the water up.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, that's how you get the exact seat. I don't even.
Dave Anthony
Dams work.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. You're fucking on top of this. So with the lake came more beautiful nature to behold. There already was. I mean, there were a lot of black bears and there were 20 pound turkeys, which is a good size. It. It all filled out pretty well. Water monster. Water monsters. There are a bunch of water monsters in the. Hey, did you hear about the water monsters?
Dave Anthony
It's going so well up at the old new lake.
Gareth Reynolds
You know, they got a sludge creature monster. They got a pond. They got a pond. He told like the slu. They got a pot. They got an underwater pondman who's banging the sluices.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, I did not.
Gareth Reynolds
He clogged it with his seaweeds.
Dave Anthony
Oh, good lord.
Gareth Reynolds
So. So, yeah. And some even found that the lake had healing powers. Like Dr. Robert Montgomery Smith Jackson, who wrote about the iron springs in his book the Mountain.
Dave Anthony
So there was an early Dr. Oz.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well, to that point, you must remember when we're talking about Smith Jackson, that he also would sometimes bartend at a hotel for fun. And when he was bartending, he would display two jars behind him near some whiskey bottles. In each jar was a preserved human stomach. One was from a guy who died of natural causes and the other was from a guy who died of delirium tremors. So just something to do well, what do you think he's.
Dave Anthony
What is he doing?
Gareth Reynolds
I think what he was doing. He used to fucking talk. I know. No, I think what he was doing was he was showing. What happens if you drink in a bar. Yeah, that's bad for business. I might be wrong, but that's what I. That's what I choose to believe.
Dave Anthony
Can I get a whiskey?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, it depends which stomach you want to die with, which one you think.
Dave Anthony
Neither.
Gareth Reynolds
Look at that. And then one night when he's, like, in the weeds, there's a lot of people. He's accidentally pouring, like, the stomach fluid into it. There you go. A Manhattan. Oh, no.
Bill Burr
Oh, no.
Dave Anthony
Oh, good Lord.
Gareth Reynolds
A guy comes back up. Excuse me. I believe there's been a mistake. Oh, no. I think there's supposed to be a garnish on this glass. Other than that, it's the finest Manhattan I've ever had. Okay. So in 1875, Congressman John Riley bought the area. The dam, South Fork, that whole little zone. When he bought it, though, the dam was in need of some repairs. So he did what any.
Dave Anthony
Who did he. Who had built it first?
Gareth Reynolds
There was some other guy.
Dave Anthony
Town or just a private.
Gareth Reynolds
No, it was another private owner. So the dam was in need of some repairs, and he made the brave decision to ignore that. But he did make one change. What are you doing? Get out of my camera.
Dave Anthony
It's story time.
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, no. Move. No, no, no. Move.
Dave Anthony
Something else.
Gareth Reynolds
We. No go to the dollar Patreon if you want to see the snuggles.
Dave Anthony
Mom.
Gareth Reynolds
So he. The one change he made was he removed and sold the sluice pipes at the bottom of the dam. Oh, which is smart, not. Well, kind of.
Dave Anthony
I. I've. I tried that.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. And I think you're talking about something else.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, in the hospital.
Gareth Reynolds
So in 1880, he sold that area to Benjamin Ruff for a 500 loss.
Dave Anthony
Don't do it to a guy named Ruff.
Gareth Reynolds
Ruff was a rich coke salesman.
Dave Anthony
I wish that. That was the other kind of coke.
Gareth Reynolds
I know. That's all I kept thinking. Yeah, yeah, give me that other spelling. What are you saying? You're just running this.
Dave Anthony
Just a rich cocaine guy. I'm just. I'm gonna lake. I'm gonna get a lake.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. No sluicing. He's got the sluice pipe. He's doing blow through it. Jesus Christ. Rough. Are you okay? Leave me the alone. I'm telling you, they're coming for me. Oh, man. Hand me that sluice. So. So he was a rich Coke salesman and he dabbled in trains and he would share in the purchase of this area with Henry Clay Frick who was a prick. Their plan was to make the area not just a beautiful place to visit but a beautiful place to visit for the rich.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
They began to build what would be known as the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club.
Dave Anthony
Fuck yes.
Gareth Reynolds
A private club for the wealthy that could. Yeah.
Dave Anthony
This is what lake should be for.
Gareth Reynolds
I agree.
Dave Anthony
Rich people only.
Gareth Reynolds
I agree. And well, it was a beautiful area. And you know I think one of the things I always. That this show has taught me is that it's all. Everything's always been totally fucked and bullshit. And this is just another example where they build up this beautiful private area.
Dave Anthony
And a place you can accidentally kill a date.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, yeah.
Dave Anthony
And you.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, exactly. I've accidentally driven my babysitter into the carnival laug. She's. She's not alive because she will no longer perform fellatio upon me. That's how I'm. I've determined her passing and now I'll.
Dave Anthony
Just be doing women's legislation forever to make up for it.
Gareth Reynolds
Do you think that's what it was? Yeah, yeah, of course. So. So Ruff rounded up a number of Pittsburgh gentlemen to invest in the club. And their modus operandi was quote, the protection and propag of game and game fish and the enforcement of all laws of this state against the unlawful killing or wounding of the same. But Ruff was the president of the club. Basically he's like we're going to respect this area and like fucking kill a bunch of stuff. But the dam still was in need of some repairs when he bought it. As we already established. Aside from replacing the sluices which as we've already established were removed. Ruff acknowledged that the issues were there and he was ready to build the dam about 40ft higher and cut a spill off at about 20ft below that. Now the spill off is the place where the excess water would go say if there were a flood, which I'm not saying getting rid of that. Well, well that's what he was supposed to do. But he saw that it was pretty expensive to do all that.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, you don't want. It's going to cost money.
Gareth Reynolds
He had money. I mean he was, you know, he's hanging out. He had money but he decided, you know what, the old dam's actually pretty good.
Dave Anthony
The reason he had money is because he didn't go around willy nilly spending.
Gareth Reynolds
Money on dam on safety and the empathy for other beings.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Humans so. So he decided the old dam would work. And he hired 50 men to build the dam up with local rock, mud, brush, hemlock, hay, pretty much anything they could find. Even horseshit. If they put a bunch of horseshit in it.
Dave Anthony
I mean, the thing about hay is that it's gonna eventually disintegrate. It'll be gone.
Gareth Reynolds
I don't know. I don't. I. I think I would counter that if you're using. The horse's in there that's binding the Great Wall of China is pretty much hay and horse poop.
Dave Anthony
Don't start with me.
Gareth Reynolds
It is. It is. It is.
Dave Anthony
You always come up with these weird facts.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well. But, buddy, that's why I've got that show on Vice ship fix. By the way, when are we airing? And I'm looking on the camera. What are we airing? So at this time, the dam was 72ft high and 931ft wide.
Dave Anthony
And so they didn't put the new sluices in.
Gareth Reynolds
No sluices. So the dam has no sluices.
Dave Anthony
Built it up higher.
Gareth Reynolds
Built it up a little bit. Kind of reinforced it a little bit.
Dave Anthony
Doesn't seem like great. So there's no. I mean, there's no. So if. If it floods, it's going to go over. There's no way to. Really?
Gareth Reynolds
Really. If it flush. If it floods.
Dave Anthony
It's not. It's gonna flood. Because.
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, no, no. It actually doesn't.
Dave Anthony
Because nature.
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, no, it doesn't. No. Hey, let me ask you something. How many trains are you a part of?
Dave Anthony
Which kind of.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, I guess none. So maybe you should shut the fuck up. Let this guy cook. Okay.
Dave Anthony
Are we talking about human centipede? Trained. Yeah, Human. Yeah, human.
Gareth Reynolds
By the way, we should. You, me, and Luke should do a human centipede for Halloween, probably. It's time. So 1818-80-1885, the club continued construction. They made 16 cottages along the Conemaugh river for.
Dave Anthony
And it's a fuck play.
Gareth Reynolds
It's a fuck shack.
Dave Anthony
If rich guys are creating a little club in the woods, it's for when.
Gareth Reynolds
You see the people. You are kind of like, this is all.
Dave Anthony
I mean, I've seen the neck beard.
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, no, no. That's. That's the only good guy in this.
Dave Anthony
That's not a good guy.
Gareth Reynolds
He's the only good guy he made. They made 16 cottages along the Konma River. And while they looked like dollhouses with Victorian architecture, they were actually insane inside. Calling them a cottage is understating. It Each one had fireplaces, kitchens, dining rooms. They built an exclusive clubhouse and clubhouse into a hotel with 47 rooms and a grand dining room that sat 150 members. There were hammocks under the trees. The Club also provided 50 rowboats, canoes, sailboats, even a steam yacht. They had a regatta, for Christ's sake. I mean this place is awesome. Keep the pores out of it.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, well, no, I think you should be able to bring up a poor and then to hunt. Hunt down.
Gareth Reynolds
I agree.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
That's the only reason to do it.
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
It's just so you know what I would love to do is get a pour from down there in Johnston and put some beef on a string connected to a hat and just see how far they run. Once they're tuckered out, we can go over there, beat them with clubs, get the bloodhounds from Uncle Todd's cabinet performance, which I saw, which was great by the way, and have the bloodhounds take part of it and make it a whole thing.
Dave Anthony
By the way, I have a bear now.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh my God. Yeah. Fucking awesome. That's great.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Good for you. Never really seen bang a line with.
Dave Anthony
The sluice until you've seen a bear tear a poor apart. It's just. You really haven't lived.
Gareth Reynolds
I love. It's just great to watch from a balcony.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
So here's the thing, Dave Ruff saw. The dam is also a great walking path to and from the club. But an issue emerged with the damn walking path because it's. Well, you could only have turned into a cruising spot. No, also cool. You could only have one carriage cross it at a time because it's too thin. It's too thin.
Dave Anthony
So one way or whatever.
Gareth Reynolds
So you would have to. You did well. So. Yeah. Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Well you.
Gareth Reynolds
That was not possible. So you'd have to have a carriage weight.
Dave Anthony
So how are you having weight? Like a guy signals like, what are you doing?
Gareth Reynolds
I don't even. I mean I. I don't have the answer, but I would assume they did the. They do the thing. When you're on a one lane street, you know, going each way and there's some guy standing there with a stop sign.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
And he holds it.
Dave Anthony
How does he know the other that there's a carriage at the other side.
Gareth Reynolds
The telephones. He would call him. He'd be like, hey, hey, Bernie, how's it going down there? You got a carriage?
Dave Anthony
We got a carriage coming through. Didn't you get my last call?
Gareth Reynolds
Boy, it sounds like we're in the same room. Oh, got a board. The best part is we're at a hotel right now. So what are these rich people to do, Dave? Wait for a carriage? I mean, you pointed it out. It's a construct. It's a fucking flaw. So they wanted to widen it. Yeah, to make it so that two carries. Exactly. Like a road. Exactly, Dave. And in order to do that, they had to lower the dam a little bit, which seems strange to some, you know, because the whole point of the dam is to not have water go over it. And if the water crests above it, the dam breaks.
Dave Anthony
It's also about driving your carriages around.
Gareth Reynolds
I agree, I agree. Some things are twofers. So lowering would make it easier for the water to crest. But what do we know? We're just a couple of yahoos who are being paranoid. So they widened it and they lowered it and they had carriage freedom and just beautiful people going to and fro.
Dave Anthony
Well, thank you. This was a great story.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, here's the thing, though. Some of the people in Johnstown thought it looked a little dicey. Among them, Murrell, who would tell Ruff how he felt. Now, the more you read about it, the more it seems like Morrell was not necessarily concerned about the safety of the people of Johnstown as much as the safety of his workers and his mills. Yeah. But he wanted to make sure the dam was okay. But rough one really listening to that because he was focused on the main concern, which was the fishing. Now, now, sure, there were fish in the lake.
Dave Anthony
Did they import fish?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, he didn't have fuck you fish, so he ordered 1000 black bass to stock the lake. So. And that's a. The bass went for about a buck a piece. So it was a lot of money. It was like, that's like $30,000 in today's bass.
Dave Anthony
Where do you get a black bass from?
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, I gotta. Are you asking who he did or how you could get some now? Yeah, I can get you a bunch now. How many do you want?
Dave Anthony
Like 70?
Gareth Reynolds
My guy only works in thousands. Oh, so what if you got six to 7,000?
Dave Anthony
Yeah, I could do that.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm. Where are you putting them? Just so I know, so I can tell the guy. I mean, I have a.
Dave Anthony
Probably. I mean, definitely someone will be in the bathtub.
Gareth Reynolds
I don't think you know how many. Like 7,000 bass a ton. So you just want 70. 70 for a tub is a lot, by the way.
Dave Anthony
I got a lot of, like, buckets.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm gonna.
Dave Anthony
It just be around the yard.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm gonna keep. I'm gonna. I'm gonna not link you up with him.
Dave Anthony
No, we got it. I also have. Yeah, I mean, I got other things I can put them in.
Gareth Reynolds
Put what in the black? I don't want to hear about the sluice. So. So. No, no. Stop talking, please. So he wanted to make sure the fish couldn't sneak out though, right?
Dave Anthony
Is that even fucking.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, because we got the dam. We got the dam. It was whining about.
Dave Anthony
The sluices are gone.
Gareth Reynolds
There's no sluices. But there's still. There's. There's like. There's still areas for the fish to escape.
Dave Anthony
Like, what are we doing?
Gareth Reynolds
I agree. You have every right to be that mad that you threw your empty can of soda on a hotel floor. You have every right.
Dave Anthony
What are we doing?
Gareth Reynolds
I agree.
Dave Anthony
The fish can just willy nilly go where they.
Gareth Reynolds
Listen. Let's listen. Okay.
Dave Anthony
Stop. What? Jesus made dams for.
Gareth Reynolds
Stop. It has dawned on me that this is. This is a story of J Town. And I don't want to get into it. So they installed fish. Fish traps, which are iron screens that were covering the opening of the spillway. Okay. So during higher water times, the screen would be there. Great. To prevent the fish from going through. So that way none of the fish are escaping.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Everybody went.
Dave Anthony
There would be a fucking.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, agreed. So I'm trying to think if there are any other issues. Oh, no. Okay. There was an issue in the middle of the dam because it had broken there before. So there was a sag, the patching up.
Dave Anthony
Right.
Gareth Reynolds
There was a sag in the middle, which is bad.
Dave Anthony
So patch it up. Did they patch it up?
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, no. The center sagged about 4ft lower than the rest of the dam. Meaning that where the dam should have been the highest or the most reinforced, you know, it was actually. It would receive the most pressure if there was a flood.
Dave Anthony
Well, that sounds like.
Gareth Reynolds
Which I'm not saying there would be, but if there were, it would be more prone to breaking.
Dave Anthony
But also, that sounds like it's the water's fault.
Gareth Reynolds
I. I completely agree. Yeah. Again, I mean, the little divot in the middle.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it's a little.
Gareth Reynolds
Get over it.
Dave Anthony
It's a. It's a donkey.
Gareth Reynolds
Hey, did I tell you the carriages can go both ways? Yeah. Okay. Well, there you go. So.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
So you just didn't want the dam overflowing in the center.
Dave Anthony
That's right.
Gareth Reynolds
And the lake was taken from 40ft to about 60ft, but it didn't get all good. So Pretty.
Dave Anthony
That's a pretty large.
Gareth Reynolds
That's big.
Dave Anthony
That's a. That's a big difference.
Gareth Reynolds
It's big. Yeah, but it's great. We got a lot of bass. Fishing has just started. And as I recall, fishing is like 10 years in.
Dave Anthony
As I recall, you said there that they built it with like twigs and.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. There's berries and poop and. Yeah, like string. Some guy threw a rubber band in it.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Things are good.
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Streaming on Hulu now. Unfortunately, Morel kept talking about it, but nobody listened. Morell even joined the club to explain his worries as a member. They ignored it. He offered.
Dave Anthony
He just joined. So.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, I don't know. I don't. I. My guess is that he joined because he was like, we're rich. This is awesome. But. But while he was there, he was also like, thing this crazy.
Dave Anthony
I think this is just like a crazy sex getaway. Weird old guy, rich guy stuff, right?
Gareth Reynolds
No, but. Well, I bet you there was weird poor. I mean, anywhere where the rich go is weird shit. You can't. That's like Davos. I love listening to like people talk about Davos. Like, like, well, you know what I heard from Davos? It's like, yeah, I guess. What, it's like the epicenter of bullshit every year. Yeah, okay. So. So he was like, I'll do the repairs, I'll oversee it. He was ignored continually. And in 1880, he sent an engineer to go out there and inspect it. His engineer was John Fulton, a mining engineer, great guy trying to show, and a geologist who was working for the Cambria Iron Company. So he gave his findings to Morell and on November 26, he stated to Morell that he did not think the dam was in great condition. And even with the repairs that had been made, and he's air quoting, he didn't find that they were done in a quote, careful and substantial manner or with the care demanded in a Large structure of this kind. End quote.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, but these kind of guys are just like, why do you always have to be so negative?
Gareth Reynolds
I think the thing is that if you have a cool kick ass club and someone comes over with a bunch of like, I got.
Dave Anthony
I got some things you got to do to. Damn.
Gareth Reynolds
It's like, bro, we're banging bears over here.
Dave Anthony
Plus, you know, fuck your regulator. Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Honestly, I mean, what are you doing? Well, a deregulation is.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
What makes America great.
Dave Anthony
Why you have awesome cabins where you can sick bears on poor people.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. And then cut to today when every bridge has styrofoam in it. Yeah. So it's good. It's great. So Morrell handed the report to Ruff, who did reply in a letter, quote, we consider his conclusions as to our safe course of no more value than his other assertions. You and your people are in known danger from our enterprise. Very respectfully, bfruff President or fuck you. Yeah, fuck you letter.
Dave Anthony
No, fuck off.
Gareth Reynolds
Go fuck yourself. But morale pushed back in a letter that said, quote, we do not wish to put any obstruction in the way of your accomplishing your object in the reconstruction of this dam, but we must protest against the erection of a dam at that place that will be a perpetual menace to the lives and property of those residing in this upper valley of the Conemaugh. From its insecure construction, in my judgment, there should have been provided some means by which the water would be let out of the dam in case of trouble. And I think you will find it necessary to provide an outlet, pipe or gate before any engineer could pronounce this job a safe one. If this dam could be securely reconstructed with safe means of driving off the water in this work as a very desirable one, arrangements could be made to store the water in this reservoir and could be used in time of drought in the mountains. This company would be willing to cooperate with you. I'm almost done. This company would be willing to cooperate with you in the work and would contribute liberally towards making the dam absolutely safe. Blah, blah, blah, blah.
Dave Anthony
Dude, enjoy the boats. We're hunting, we're fishing, we bring the girls up on weekends. Just shut the fuck up and have a good time.
Gareth Reynolds
Him reading it. The My joke was rough to claim the offer and he just texted back tldr. So yeah, so rough. Was totally like to off. You got a neck beard.
Dave Anthony
It was a idiot.
Gareth Reynolds
You got a neck beard. Shut up.
Dave Anthony
I mean that was a problem. Like people are just like.
Gareth Reynolds
It is hard, but a lot of people had that.
Dave Anthony
No, they Didn't.
Gareth Reynolds
Are you sure?
Dave Anthony
Yes. That's not a style.
Gareth Reynolds
No, there was others. Horace Greeley. We've done this on the show before.
Dave Anthony
Have we?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, I've. I've commented on my passion for Horace Greeley. This is the best one of all time. Look at that.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, look at that. That looks like a collar.
Gareth Reynolds
The. Dave. Look at this, man.
Dave Anthony
I see it. I.
Gareth Reynolds
Do you? Yeah, look at this, man. But, you know, it's off center.
Dave Anthony
But that one's Horace Greens is better because it's bigger. Meryl's just looks like. Like a. Like a layer of hair underneath. It doesn't look like a.
Gareth Reynolds
This is weird.
Dave Anthony
There's no style to it. It's just like. These are.
Gareth Reynolds
What do you want me to do? Gel. It's not gonna throw melee looks into his neck beard.
Dave Anthony
Like, do something with it.
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, look it. Oh, dude, there's still guys doing it.
Dave Anthony
Oh, come on. What are we doing? What are we doing? What are we doing?
Gareth Reynolds
That's awesome.
Dave Anthony
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Gareth Reynolds
Look at this one.
Dave Anthony
Oh, that's like a West Virginia.
Gareth Reynolds
That's awesome. Yeah, this guy's is good.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it's a good one. It's a terrible thing, and people need to.
Gareth Reynolds
This one kicks ass.
Dave Anthony
Just stop being a person at that point. Just be like, I'm not.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm not. If you want to see these pictures, you can be in this room right now. Good. Drink. Look where you going? You're not allowed to do that. Okay, so anyways, finally, in 1879, the club was ready and it was opened. The wasn't even open this whole time? Well, no, it was open for some of this time, but the club was officially opened. It might have been later than that. Anyway, the membership fee was $800.
Dave Anthony
That's a lot.
Gareth Reynolds
And the rules were simple. No shootings on Sunday. Which America should bring back.
Dave Anthony
Are we talking about people? People?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, Yeah. A public school shootings. That's. And you can't do that. Nobody's at school. And if you didn't own a cottage, you were capped out at 14 days per visit.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it's fair.
Gareth Reynolds
61 who's who. Names were on the membership roster. Among them, Andrew Carnegie, Friendship. Every now and then, one of the Johnstown poors would get to visit and would return to tell other people in Johnstown how the rich were living up on the mountain. Yeah, it was only 15 miles away, but it seemed like another world. It is now. There had been major floods in the area in 1885. 1887. All right, 1888.
Dave Anthony
Oh, Jesus.
Gareth Reynolds
The one in 1888. 85. The Stony Creek river got three feet higher in under an hour.
Dave Anthony
Oh, God. You're boring me with this.
Gareth Reynolds
Come on. Lock in.
Dave Anthony
It's just like, let people have fun.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm letting them have fun.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, but you keep bringing up this stuff that. Well, it's. Everybody out.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay, look, if I. You want me to be honest, I have a bias.
Dave Anthony
I'm not here to hear fucking shitty stuff. Listen to the dollop for the fun part.
Gareth Reynolds
I have a bias.
Dave Anthony
Get into the. What they're doing in the cabins. Get into the hunting. Let's get into. Let's go.
Gareth Reynolds
In 1887, the first glory hole was installed in the main conference area.
Dave Anthony
Oh, my God, I'm hard.
Gareth Reynolds
So in 1889, Dave. The winter was very tough. There were very high levels of snow, which meant melting in the mountains later than usual that year. Plus, April and May were super rainy. I'm just telling you what that.
Dave Anthony
So then you got the snow and then the rain. The rain melts the snow. Really?
Gareth Reynolds
Can you do this in a Bill Cosby voice?
Dave Anthony
No.
Gareth Reynolds
You got the rain and the snow and then the water.
Dave Anthony
It's probably your best rapist impression.
Gareth Reynolds
I do a better one. So many options now, Trump. Yeah, Trump.
Dave Anthony
You do better, Trump.
Gareth Reynolds
And I love to do it, even when they don't love it. So super rainy. And there was a lot more water in the rivers than usual. And Johnstown was getting hit, too. But, Dave, Memorial Day in 1889, there was a break from the weather. And so the people of Johnstown celebrated. Oh, yeah, they had a big parade that Friday morning. Reverend H.L.
Dave Anthony
Wait, wait, wait. Was it a parade for another reason, or did the weather just break and they had a parade?
Gareth Reynolds
No, it was for Memorial Day. But they were like, look, we're not going to be able to do the parade. And then they were like. They were like, get it. Let's go. There's a parade. What was weather prediction like back then? Nothing, Right?
Dave Anthony
You had the almanac, and then some guy would ride into town and be like, it's raining over there. That would be it.
Gareth Reynolds
That's the best. Oh, shit.
Dave Anthony
But we're going back to that.
Gareth Reynolds
Since the kids. I know.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
That's fucking amazing. Okay, so Reverend H.L. chapman said, quote, the morning was delightful. The city was in the gayest mood with flags and flowers and banners everywhere. We could see almost everything of interest from our porch. The streets were more crowded than we've ever Seen before. But Dave, sadly, the parade was short lived.
Dave Anthony
God damn it. Yeah, right.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, yeah. A heavy storm moved in and cut it all short. Like a big storm. Like big.
Dave Anthony
What do you say?
Gareth Reynolds
Like the biggest. Like. Like it actually was two storms. And they kind of merged and converged and froze right over that area.
Dave Anthony
That's a. That's. That's a lot.
Gareth Reynolds
There's a lot. It was pouring rain. Pouring rain. And at the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club. Well, a worry was setting in.
Dave Anthony
Oh, really?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, they were starting. Well, because they're starting to go, huh? This is like hurricane level rainfall. Well, that's certainly a concern. But I think they were. Some of them were starting to go.
Dave Anthony
Well, we didn't think about this.
Gareth Reynolds
This wasn't something that was in the plan.
Dave Anthony
Oh, someone had written a report.
Gareth Reynolds
Should we get the catamaran? I don't think. Maybe the steamboat.
Dave Anthony
Oh, it's a cigar.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. So club engineer John park was woken up by the rain. And when he saw the level of rainfall, he was freaking the fuck out. The Kanama Lake was rising quickly, hoping that it would just stop, which seemed to be. The plan wasn't working.
Dave Anthony
That's a great idea.
Gareth Reynolds
So he and some of the employees went over there to inspect it. And the water was rising at an alarming level, around an inch every 10 minutes. So the water had high potential for going over the dam center. Where again, I don't know if you.
Dave Anthony
Remember, but I think it's fine.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, there was a little sag in.
Dave Anthony
The middle, but that's what I know.
Gareth Reynolds
That's what I'm saying.
Dave Anthony
It just means that more water.
Gareth Reynolds
I'm telling you what they're saying. I'm with you.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
Okay. There's no fucking problem. Yeah, Everything's fine. Until it isn't.
Dave Anthony
That's right.
Gareth Reynolds
And then when it isn't, blame the sluice. Yeah, then you got sluice problems. But really, at this point, what could they do? They had no sluices, they had no useful spillover area. And the only hole that was cut in the dam for drainage was now clogged with debris because someone put a fish crate over it. So.
Dave Anthony
Well, how do you keep the fish in?
Gareth Reynolds
That's exactly the point that I think we're all making.
Dave Anthony
Thank you.
Gareth Reynolds
So park went to Colonel Elias J. Unger.
Dave Anthony
Gotta go to a colonel who was.
Gareth Reynolds
Making all the calls that day as he was the current club president.
Dave Anthony
So he's got like six phones and.
Gareth Reynolds
He'S picking them up and it's all that guy Had.
Dave Anthony
Go ahead.
Gareth Reynolds
Does this one work?
Dave Anthony
Talk to me, Jimmy.
Gareth Reynolds
Does it sound like I'm in the room with you? Yes, it's all me. Quit picking up each one.
Dave Anthony
Holy shit. I'm talking to myself.
Gareth Reynolds
Hey, it's me again.
Dave Anthony
Hey. This is weird. I'm talking to myself. Hello?
Gareth Reynolds
It's me on the other one.
Dave Anthony
Hey, have you seen your mother?
Gareth Reynolds
Listen, we have multiple personalities, and this is the only way we can engage them. Our therapist told us to fibble the phone. So he goes and wakes up Elias J. Unger, who was now the current club president. I gotta tell you the bad news.
Dave Anthony
What?
Gareth Reynolds
Ruff died. Oh, B.F. ruff died. He was now dead. He died in 1887. When he died, someone. Someone gave him a stomach to drink at a bar. And he drank the whole thing. And you can't have two stomachs on one body.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, you know what? You gotta. You gotta. You can't just slam a whole stomach. Yeah. Take it apart.
Gareth Reynolds
So what happened was he drank the stomach. That was bad. It replaced his stomach. And then he had a bad stomach and he died.
Dave Anthony
That's like. What do you. That's what, like, guys do in fraternities, you know?
Gareth Reynolds
Stomach Chuck. Stomach Chuck. Hear it, Duke. So Elias Unger was extremely out of his element when he saw what was going on. Yeah, he knew it was, quote, serious, end quote. But he didn't know what to do. They kept telling, what can you do?
Dave Anthony
It's too late.
Gareth Reynolds
They kept telling Colonel Unger to tear out that bridge and pull the big iron Fish screen out. But Colonel Unger wouldn't do it.
Dave Anthony
Why?
Gareth Reynolds
Because he was still like, we would. Might lose fish. He's like, look, I hear you.
Dave Anthony
Did you not hear I said black bad.
Gareth Reynolds
It's really bad. But imagine. Imagine if we did that and they were. We were okay. And we lost a bunch of fear.
Dave Anthony
I mean, think about it.
Gareth Reynolds
So. So with no other option, what do you think they did left? They attempted to build the dam hire.
Dave Anthony
In the middle of it.
Gareth Reynolds
In the middle of a biblical rainfall.
Dave Anthony
That's. That's a great idea. So it's great.
Gareth Reynolds
So they basically were like, throwing, like, handing down as much earth as they possibly could to heighten the dam.
Dave Anthony
But how?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, they're just pack. I mean. Yeah, it's not working.
Dave Anthony
Like, guys picking up dirt.
Gareth Reynolds
They were. They were handing it to each other. They were doing the bail the bucket thing. Yeah, they were doing buckets. They were bailing the bucket with like, handing each other earth.
Dave Anthony
Build up a dam in the middle of a storm.
Gareth Reynolds
And they're really just focusing on the middle part. That's like, you know, shitty.
Dave Anthony
Oh, people are so dumb.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, some of these people weren't old. These are like workers helping them.
Dave Anthony
Sorry. Rich people.
Gareth Reynolds
Rich people. But, but I don't even think John park, he might have been wealthy. I mean, but he's a good guy.
Dave Anthony
They're just desperate.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, and, and it's all Unger's call. Like, like, yeah. John park was like, dude with this crazy. And he was like, oh, all you.
Dave Anthony
Should do is tell everybod south to get the out.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, I don't agree. Build a dam. Now you build the dam. So they maybe bought themselves a foot in the middle max. And now the water. Well now unfortunately, the water level was like two feet from the top of the damn center.
Dave Anthony
Oh my God.
Gareth Reynolds
So hunger made the brave call and he now he's like, let's get the fish screens out of there. Oh yeah. But it was too late.
Dave Anthony
Has anybody considered firing the hunger?
Gareth Reynolds
That's an interesting point. Listen, water, it's just not. You're out. You're out dirt. You're in. Because the screen wouldn't budge. It was so jammed up with all the debris and yeah, you can't move.
Dave Anthony
It at that point.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
It's essentially a wall.
Gareth Reynolds
Yes. And it's underwater now so far that it's. It's difficult. So Unger was now officially freaked out.
Dave Anthony
Why?
Gareth Reynolds
Well, they think he's like, I fucked up. So he didn't know what to do. He basically calls it. He's like, we're done. So they were all tired. Apparently right after this, he went home and he just fell down. He's like, I'm the victim.
Dave Anthony
Yeah, well he tried and the water's just fucking him. So like, I don't blame him.
Gareth Reynolds
This water is a hunky.
Dave Anthony
This is clearly the water's fault.
Gareth Reynolds
This is hunky water. Yes. This water's Hungarian sweat.
Dave Anthony
Now we're getting to it.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, I wish we had a pony. Who could. I wish there was a donkey who could help us right now. Anyone? Hello?
Dave Anthony
Magic donkey.
Gareth Reynolds
Hello? He's on the phone. Get me the donkey. So, so he calls it. So John park is like, fuck that. He decides he wants to ride his horse to the telegraph office to alert them ASAP to Paul Revere situation. He Paul reveres it. So he got to the office in 10min. He ran over the train yard near the telegraph office and he shouted to a crowd that the dam was in a bad spot. And quote, take that message to the telegraph office. And it wasn't. Go ahead.
Dave Anthony
What's the telegraph office going to do?
Gareth Reynolds
They're going to send a telegraph to all the cities that are down.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. So. Because it wasn't just Johnstown that was in danger, but there's other cities down the Connemar river and there's.
Dave Anthony
There's. Below that is town you screwed Town, you're all going to die town. And there's a whole bunch of them.
Gareth Reynolds
All the way down. I don't. I really. First of all, we don't know how.
Dave Anthony
This, by the way they named it poorly.
Gareth Reynolds
You were asked if you were. We're going to be Finesville also gone. So. But the thing was, the people were like, who heard it were kind of like, dude, chill. Yeah, like everyone, like, he's shouting about it. But the problem was there had been this level of. It's obviously very reminiscent of what we deal with now where it's like, shit's not till it's.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
So the Tribune in Johnstown had been writing about this and had been on the side of like, don't worry, like, it's fine.
Dave Anthony
Like, so now if you're a newspaper that's been writing on the side of it now, you can't go, oh, my God, it's bad. You have to come. You have to be like, yeah, you.
Gareth Reynolds
Know, well, you do that then. I mean, that's what they do all the time in our media, where it's like, they don't report on it and then it happens. They're like, how did we get here?
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
What an unbelievable tragedy.
Dave Anthony
I was just reading about people saying that today.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, I.
Dave Anthony
Not like this.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
Dave Anthony
Like, that's about. What about Trump and that stuff?
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah.
Dave Anthony
No, I don't mean like.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, I always think that's so funny, too. I mean, not funny, it's fucking horrible. But like, the lead up, how they're all like, this man should not beat the. And then like, you know, a month and a half later, they're like, trump named a puppet as the Secretary of State. You know, and you're just like, yeah, dude. This is why, like, your fucking journalism you were practicing leading up to this was dog shit, you one job. So. So like I said, the Tribune paper frame, this all is largely overblown. So with hesitation, eventually, telegraph operator Emma Ehrenfield did send the message at 1:52pm that read, quote, the water is running over the breast of Lake Dam and center west side and is becoming dangerous. End quote. A half hour later, another message Was sent, quote, the damage is becoming dangerous and dam may possibly go. So the water was cutting holes in the dam more and more. The pressure was crushing it. The water was cresting at the sagging center of it all. And then at 3:10pm.
Dave Anthony
When you say a time. Yeah, it's really bad.
Gareth Reynolds
Why it just.
Dave Anthony
Any in any dollop. When you say a exact time, you.
Gareth Reynolds
Mean it's not me specific. Whatever. You know the exact time.
Dave Anthony
Never good. Never good.
Gareth Reynolds
You ain't wrong, dog.
Dave Anthony
At least it's not 3:10am no, it's not.
Gareth Reynolds
It's not 3:10aM but it is 3:10pm With John Park, Colonel Unger and a number of other members of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club standing by, watching.
Dave Anthony
I guarantee one of them had a pipe in his mouth.
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, he was like, this thing won't light. It keeps going up.
Dave Anthony
Will somebody get me a light that works in the rain?
Gareth Reynolds
Jebediah, please, not now. Well, hold on. How?
Dave Anthony
Oh, I've got an idea. A flame for cigarettes and pipes and whatnot. That works in the rain.
Gareth Reynolds
Flood. I mean, look, it's 3:10 and I can't like this motherfucker. None of these men better be in a union. He comes over like, while everyone's about to watch the dam break and he doesn't know what's going on. Hey, boys. Can any of you like this in the rain? What are y'all staring at, fellas? What's so. What's got your eyeballs? So standing by, watching. All those guys are standing by, watching the dam broke. And they said, I gotta.
Dave Anthony
I gotta say, like, that's gotta be an amazing thing to see. Well, just from a.
Gareth Reynolds
From a standpoint of, like, things. Unfathomable things to watch.
Dave Anthony
Yes.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, they said it didn't even really look like a break. It looked just like one big push.
Dave Anthony
Like a sluice.
Gareth Reynolds
Like a sluice.
Dave Anthony
Like a big sluice.
Gareth Reynolds
Within 45 minutes, the lake was empty. The velocity was comparable to that of Niagara river hitting Niagara Falls.
Dave Anthony
That's a lot.
Gareth Reynolds
Or in other words, when the South Fork Dam burst, it was like Niagara Falls was running into the valley below and Johnstown for 45 minutes straight. And we actually don't know the full levels of rainfall that morning because the weather observer was about to get killed and all of his notes with him.
Dave Anthony
Oh, what a jackass.
Gareth Reynolds
But we do know, right, that 16 million tons of water.
Dave Anthony
That's a lot.
Gareth Reynolds
Was about to go down the Conemaugh River Valley.
Dave Anthony
Cool.
Gareth Reynolds
And that's the end of part one.
Dave Anthony
Oh.
Gareth Reynolds
So I don't think we need a part two.
Dave Anthony
Kind of feels like we feel like it's over.
Gareth Reynolds
I should say nobody died. It might be the deadliest dollop. Because I feel like you probably wouldn't do this because you're like, Jesus Christ. Let me say that the book where most of this comes from is David McCullough the Johnstown flood. Also there is a TV show called I was There. Also Uncle Tom's Cabin. We'll post the links to a couple other YouTube videos.
Dave Anthony
Not good.
Gareth Reynolds
Not good. Crazy. And reminds me so much of just what we're watching now with our climate and where you're just like, cool. All right. Sweet.
Dave Anthony
Rich people cutting corners. Never works.
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, never works. And they, they what do they get you. They get you. And, and when you actually have elevation, like that's some. To some extent we will have a version of like it's like they've self moted themselves in these environments. Like Mark Zuckerberg has an island where no one can get to like these advantages of. Of what you're. Where you are as far as like damage. I mean they just kind of. They. They make these little forts for themselves because they're like, well, we're full of shit. Everyone's gonna die.
Dave Anthony
Oh, I can get to it. Zuckerberg.
Gareth Reynolds
That would be a great movie.
Dave Anthony
Get. Yeah, it would be.
Gareth Reynolds
Get to Zuckerbergs call it.
Dave Anthony
That'd be so amazing. Like you should be able to make a movie like that now. Even though we all know that the reaction be like, you can't do that.
Gareth Reynolds
You why?
Dave Anthony
And no one would want to pay for it to make. But it so many people would love it. It would. It'd be so great and it would just be like. It would be cathartic for so many people.
Gareth Reynolds
I think the. Even if right now people like, dude, in five, 10 years, people be like, this is the best movie.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
It's like when you watch like George Carlin. Like George Carlin at the time, you're like, this guy's awesome. Like now people are just like, what the fuck? How did he know everything? It was just like he was just fucking pissed.
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
Gareth Reynolds
Well, there you go. So part two.
Dave Anthony
Well, soon everybody loses. Not necessarily like the rich guy.
Gareth Reynolds
By the way, I wonder if the trick pony made it. I don't have that information. I'll try to find out.
Dave Anthony
Isn't it a donkey?
Gareth Reynolds
Oh my God.
Dave Anthony
Was that a trick donkey?
Gareth Reynolds
No, that was a trick question. It was a trick. Trick donkey.
Dave Anthony
Okay.
Gareth Reynolds
Trick house. Have you heard Trick Ass's new album. This episode's over. All right, great. Hey, dollop fans. I know you love the dollop. You love listening to the dollop. Do you want to watch the dollop? You're like, gareth, what are you talking about? By the way, it's not Gary, it's Gareth. Well, we have partnered with Lakeside Animation and we are starting to animate some of our episodes. So if you want to go watch a five parter animation which is actually like a 22 minute episode or 30 minute episode, I can't remember, of the rube, you can go to LakeSide Animation on YouTube and watch a really awesome animation of the rube. It, it really genuinely kicks ass and we're very proud of it. And the more you share it, the more you give it to people, the more you follow Lakeside, all that stuff, the better chance we have of making a lot more of them. We're already making a second one so go there and watch the rubber.
Podcast Summary: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Episode: 675 - The South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club - Reverse Dollop
Release Date: March 18, 2025
Hosts: Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Network: All Things Comedy
Description: Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds delve into a historical subject, examining its intricacies and untold stories with their signature humor.
In episode 675 of The Dollop, titled The South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club - Reverse Dollop, hosts Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds explore the historical tale of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club, a private association of wealthy industrialists whose negligence led to one of the most devastating floods in American history—the Johnstown Flood of 1889.
[02:34] Gareth Reynolds:
"Johnstown, Pennsylvania, 1852. The Cambria Iron Company was founded and within two decades became the largest iron producer in the United States."
Johnstown, situated along the Conemaugh River, was a bustling steel town powered by the Cambria Iron Company. The town thrived due to its abundant natural resources—coal and waterways—which facilitated both manufacturing and shipping.
[22:31] Dave Anthony:
"Ruff rounded up a number of Pittsburgh gentlemen to invest in the club. Their modus operandi was 'the protection and propagation of game and game fish and the enforcement of all laws of this state against the unlawful killing or wounding of the same.'"
The South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club was established as a private retreat for affluent industrialists like Benjamin Ruff and Henry Clay Frick. The club aimed to foster leisure activities such as hunting and fishing while enforcing conservation laws.
[15:29] Gareth Reynolds:
"They constructed the dam using mud, clay mounds, small stones, heavy rocks, and smashed slate. The project began in 1840 and was completed on June 10, 1852."
The dam, built to create a reservoir for water storage during droughts, was inherently flawed due to its construction materials and techniques. Initially, sluice pipes were installed to manage water flow, but these were later removed by club president Benjamin Ruff to prevent fish from escaping.
Notable Quote:
[17:10] Gareth Reynolds:
"Sluices were drainage pipes. Yes, that's what I'm talking about."
By removing the sluice pipes, the club inadvertently compromised the dam's ability to handle excessive water, setting the stage for disaster.
[27:04] Gareth Reynolds:
"They built 16 cottages along the Conemaugh River, complete with fireplaces, kitchens, dining rooms, and even a steam yacht. It was a paradise for the wealthy, but the infrastructure was poorly maintained."
While the club offered extravagant amenities to its members, the lack of proper maintenance—especially concerning the dam—revealed a disregard for safety and responsibility.
[19:08] Gareth Reynolds:
"Dr. Robert Montgomery Smith Jackson wrote about the iron springs and touted their healing powers, but there were underlying issues with the dam's integrity."
Engineer John Fulton, alongside geologist John Park, inspected the dam and reported significant safety concerns. However, their warnings were dismissed by club president Ruff.
[44:20] Gareth Reynolds:
"Ruff died. He was now dead. He died in 1887. Someone gave him a stomach to drink at a bar... and he died."
Ruff's lack of concern and subsequent inaction in addressing the dam's faults exemplify the club's negligence.
[48:22] Dave Anthony:
"With the sluices removed and the dam poorly constructed, heavy rainfall in April and May of 1889 led to unprecedented water levels."
On May 31, 1889, torrential rains overwhelmed the compromised dam. Attempts to reinforce the structure during the storm were futile, leading to a catastrophic breach.
[61:43] Gareth Reynolds:
"Within 45 minutes, the lake was empty. The velocity was comparable to that of Niagara River hitting Niagara Falls."
The disaster resulted in the Johnstown Flood, which claimed over 2,200 lives and caused extensive property damage, marking it as one of the deadliest floods in U.S. history.
Notable Quote:
[20:11] Dave Anthony:
"But Morrell pushed back with a letter..."
The correspondence reveals the club's indifference to safety, prioritizing leisure over the well-being of the town's residents.
[63:13] Gareth Reynolds:
"Rich people cutting corners never works."
The Johnstown Flood serves as a grim reminder of the consequences of unchecked industrialism and the perils of neglecting essential infrastructure for personal gain. The tragedy also influenced future regulations on dam construction and industrial responsibility.
The Dollop’s exploration of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club underscores a pivotal moment in American history where wealth and negligence intersected with devastating results. Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds blend humor with historical analysis, making the story both engaging and enlightening for listeners.
[22:31] Dave Anthony:
"Ruff rounded up a number of Pittsburgh gentlemen to invest in the club. Their modus operandi was 'the protection and propagation of game and game fish...'"
[17:10] Gareth Reynolds:
"Sluices were drainage pipes. Yes, that's what I'm talking about."
[44:20] Gareth Reynolds:
"Ruff died. He was now dead. He died in 1887..."
[61:43] Gareth Reynolds:
"Within 45 minutes, the lake was empty. The velocity was comparable to that of Niagara River hitting Niagara Falls."
[63:13] Gareth Reynolds:
"Rich people cutting corners never works."
This episode masterfully intertwines comedic banter with a deep dive into a historical catastrophe, highlighting the enduring relevance of lessons learned from the past. For those unfamiliar with the Johnstown Flood, The Dollop provides a comprehensive and entertaining overview of the events leading up to the tragedy and its lasting impact on American society.