676 - The South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club Part 2 - Reverse Dollop

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds – Episode 676: The South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club Part 2 - Reverse Dollop

Release Date: March 25, 2025

In episode 676 of "The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds," titled "The South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club Part 2 - Reverse Dollop," hosts Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds continue their exploration of the tragic Johnstown Flood of 1889. This episode delves into the catastrophic failure of the South Fork Dam, the ensuing flood, the impact on the community, and the subsequent lack of accountability among the affluent members of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club.

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1. Introduction: Setting the Scene

The episode begins with Dave and Gareth engaging in their characteristic humorous banter about their upcoming comedy tour, highlighting their favorite cities ([00:00]-[01:22]). However, they swiftly shift focus to the main topic, reintroducing listeners to the events surrounding the Johnstown Flood and setting the stage for a deeper dive into Part 2 of their historical journey.

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2. The Catastrophic Flood: Understanding the Disaster

Gareth provides a vivid description of the flood's onset, emphasizing the overwhelming force of the water and the massive debris it carried, including trees, telegraph poles, bridges, and train cars ([[02:20]-[03:58]]). Dave humorously critiques the destruction, leading to a discussion about the vulnerability of small towns like Mineral Point, which was virtually wiped out by the flood.

Notable Quote:

• Gareth Reynolds ([02:22]): “It was making dams as it went down... shredding all these places down the riverbed, but it's super overwhelming places.”

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3. Tales of Survival and Heroism

The hosts highlight remarkable stories of survival and heroism amidst the chaos of the flood. Engineer John Hess emerges as a pivotal figure who used his train whistle to warn residents, effectively saving countless lives in areas like Kahnema and Woodvale ([06:49]-[12:18]). Gareth draws parallels between Hess's actions and those of a "Paul Revere," underscoring his critical role in the disaster's immediate aftermath.

Another compelling narrative involves Victor Heiser, who survived by "surfing" atop his family's barn roof and navigating through debris with extraordinary resilience ([20:13]-[22:19]).

Notable Quotes:

• Gareth Reynolds ([11:10]): “He was trying to Paul Revere, even though he's a fake, trying to warn as many people.”
• Gareth Reynolds ([22:19]): “I was able to hop to the roof and join a small group of people already stranded there.”

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4. Media Frenzy and Public Outcry

Following the devastation, the media erupted with extensive coverage, often sensationalizing the disaster. Newspapers like the Pittsburgh Post Gazette labeled the event as "the Greatest Calamity," amplifying public fear and outrage ([29:00]-[30:28]). The hosts discuss how this relentless media attention fueled societal anxieties, particularly targeting immigrants, notably labeling Hungarians derogatorily and blaming them for exacerbating the crisis ([43:54]-[46:14]).

Notable Quote:

• Gareth Reynolds ([29:56]): “America couldn't stop reading about the flood... people are starting to think a little more about just what it was they might be losing and to whom.”

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5. Accountability and Legal Impunity

A significant portion of the episode addresses the lack of accountability among the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club members. Despite clear evidence of negligence—such as faulty dam construction and inadequate maintenance—the wealthy club members largely escaped legal repercussions ([55:00]-[62:00]). The duo highlights cases like Jacob Strayer's lawsuit, which was dishonestly settled by his lawyer without his knowledge, leading to Strayer’s bankruptcy and the club’s impunity ([63:31]-[67:02]).

Notable Quotes:

• Dave Anthony ([63:31]): “That's what happens to rich people in this country. That's why we are where we are.”
• Gareth Reynolds ([64:05]): “Money is literally everything. Then people are going to do everything to get it... they'll treat the regular people like to get it.”

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6. Societal Reflections: Property Rights and Empathy

In the concluding sections, Dave and Gareth reflect on the broader implications of the Johnstown Flood, drawing parallels to contemporary issues surrounding property rights and societal empathy. They argue that the historical lack of accountability among the wealthy continues to resonate today, contributing to ongoing social and economic disparities ([64:25]-[67:02]).

Notable Quote:

• Dave Anthony ([58:22]): “We have all been shaking hands with ourselves for some years and being pretty clever businessmen, we should not be likely to drop that much money in a place that we thought was unsafe.”

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7. Conclusion: Lessons Learned and Continuing Relevance

The episode wraps up by emphasizing the enduring lessons from the Johnstown Flood—particularly the dangers of unchecked power and the critical need for accountability in the face of natural disasters. Dave and Gareth encourage listeners to reflect on how similar injustices persist in modern society, making the historical tragedy of Johnstown both a cautionary tale and a mirror to present-day challenges.

Final Thoughts:

• Gareth Reynolds ([65:46]): “What I read gives us a perspective on how the richest of the era avoided accountability, leaving thousands to suffer.”
• Dave Anthony ([67:02]): “That's a story of how the club just completely, fully got away with it. With no accountability.”

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Additional Insights:

• Heroic Acts: Clara Barton of the American Red Cross played a crucial role in organizing relief efforts, staying in the affected area for five months to provide aid ([40:10]-[40:35]).

• Cultural Commentary: The hosts interweave humorous and satirical comments about modern parallels, such as comparing historical heroes to contemporary online saviors and critiquing societal tendencies to idolize tragedy.

• Resource Recommendations: Dave and Gareth suggest David McCullough’s "The Johnstown Flood" for listeners interested in a comprehensive understanding of the event.

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Final Notes:

Episode 676 of "The Dollop" offers a rich, engaging, and thoroughly researched account of the Johnstown Flood, blending historical facts with the hosts' signature humor and insightful commentary. By highlighting both the heroism and the systemic failures that led to the disaster, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds provide a compelling narrative that resonates with contemporary discussions about power, accountability, and societal responsibility.

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For those interested in delving deeper into the Johnstown Flood and its historical context, "The Dollop" episode serves as both an entertaining and informative resource, bridging the gap between past tragedies and their lessons for today's society.

Transcript

[Dave Anthony]

We're going on tour. And this is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's been a while.

[Dave Anthony]

March 2025 is when our tour is happening. First of all, we're going to Tempe, Arizona, maybe our favorite city of all time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the best.

[Dave Anthony]

That is on March 16th. And then we go to Albuquerque, New Mexico, maybe our favorite city ever, we've ever gone to. That's on March 17th. And then we go to Oklahoma City.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is our fav. We often say that it's our number one.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's our number one. The best city I've ever been to. That's on March 18th. On March 19th, we're going to be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

In Tulsa, Oklahoma, our favorite city, without question.

[Dave Anthony]

And then we head to Dallas, Texas, on March 20th.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Our favorite city.

[Dave Anthony]

There's never been a better city than better.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you don't like it, you're a Dallas hole.

[Dave Anthony]

Thank you. And then we go to Houston, Texas, on March 21. City, which is by far the best city. And then we end our tour in Austin, Texas, on March 22 at the Cap City Comedy Club.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the best in the entire world. Number one city in the world.

[Dave Anthony]

You can get tickets@dollop podcast.com tour. You're listening to. I know what it is. You're listening to the Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast where each week I read a story from American history.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop it, buddy. Not this week. Because it's a part two to the part one. Gareth Reynolds. Who knows what the topic is gonna be about. You're listening to Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. You know the deal here. Each week we. I read a story from American history. Well, this week to my friend and my best friend, Dave Anthony.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

All right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let's just jump in. Well, it's the same date. It's May 30th. May 31st, 1st, 1889. Year of Indiana Jones's dad, probably.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow. Oh, wow. That's intense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And I thought about saying that for years.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. Yep. Okay. So do you remember where we left off, Dave? Do you remember what was happening?

[Dave Anthony]

The damn problem.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's. The dam has gone.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So the dam at the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club. Just fly the damn.

[Dave Anthony]

Anyway.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, excuse me. The sluice is loose. Okay. So look, it was absolute bedlam. The impact of the flood was so much worse because of all the things the flood was kind of picking up along the way. Sometimes there was so much debris that the flood would actually stop and only to build up Bigger because of the kind of debris bulge.

[Dave Anthony]

So it was making dams as it went down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was kind of self damning, self taming. And. And then it would like projectile itself out, picking up steam, making the flood bigger. So and then, and then that would just mean that the flood would go and then it would pick up more debris because it was moving faster and cool. And you know, for the most part it's going down the Kahnema riverbed. So it's kind of just like, you know, shredding all these places down the riverbed, but it's super overwhelming places.

[Dave Anthony]

You mean houses and people?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know. We'll see. You could see the trees and the telegraph poles flying through it. Bridges, if it were to hit one, would hold it for about 10 minutes sometimes, but then eventually would give out and then the flood would have nice big chunks of bridge in it too. Mineral Point was a small city with about 30 houses along a single street. It was parallel with the river and got absolutely hammered first. By the time the flood had gone through, it didn't look like there was ever a city there at all.

[Dave Anthony]

That's kind of weak.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I mean, it's.

[Dave Anthony]

Make a stand.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you talking to the property? Okay, that's interesting. That's a take.

[Dave Anthony]

This is a. This is a podcast about property.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This episode or this show, just in general.

[Dave Anthony]

It's about property and property rights and good property.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I do feel like you kind of keep saying what this. Like this is.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a real estate podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Anyway, the telegram that we discussed in episode. In episode. In episode one, that was sent to Mineral Point.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me just say, what was the name of the city that just got wiped out?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mineral Point.

[Dave Anthony]

Mineral Point. Right now, right after this flood passes, there's a lot of good land for grabs, for sale. You can move in and you can get some really good deals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Okay, that just seems. I don't. Okay, so. So there was a telegram sent by Emma Ehrenfeld, if you remember, in episode one, she finally sent the telegram. But the operator in Mineral Point never got it. I mean, he was forced to leave his tower. He said the first warning he received was seeing people floating by in their.

[Dave Anthony]

Houses, which is a bad. That's late.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's better than a telegram because it kind of lets you. You go, oh, okay, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Then there's something bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There might be a flood. You're keyed into it at that point.

[Dave Anthony]

What time is it? It's the middle of the night, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, it's like early afternoon. Right. Now it's like maybe three, two, three, something like that. So it was all gone. 16 people died. Also, Emma Ehrenfeld, who had sent the telegraph to Mineral Point and other places, also didn't survive the flood. So she didn't.

[Dave Anthony]

And how many lots are we talking about?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Lots.

[Dave Anthony]

Like housing laws.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm not going to get into the property stuff. I just.

[Dave Anthony]

It's just. It's a property podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It really isn't. And you just. I mean, we did a first episode and it wasn't a property. So it feels like you're just saying that now. So in the recounts after Mineral Point was gone, one man explained a conversation between him and another resident. So this guy says, quote, he says, mineral Point is all swept away and the people swept away and my whole family is gone, end quote. I says, quote, is that so? End quote. And I says, do you know anything of my family? And he says, quote, no, I don't. I think they were all drowned. End quote.

[Dave Anthony]

So that's a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So there is just a catch up.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a very brief conversation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think that's why it ended up in here. It seemed very conversational. Like, you see the game last night? Yeah, See the game. Down to a field goal in overtime. That was close, huh? Yeah. All right, see you later. Get a new wife. All right, see you later. So next was East Conemaugh, where the rail yard was located. There were nine locomotives that were stored there on that day, and then there were additional 20 that were waiting on the tracks for the weather to pass.

[Dave Anthony]

So now we're talking about property.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now we're. If you want to get into it. We are. Yeah. This is rich guy stuff. This is. There you go. So many of the stranded passengers had left the trains due to the delay, but some of them just stayed on the trains to wait it out. I would have 100% been a stay on train, wait it out kind of guy. Engineer John Hess was pulling seven cars into town on the Bellis train when he was stopped by a flagman who told him Hess said, quote, I don't suppose we have laid there more than 20 minutes until we heard the flood coming. We didn't see it, but we heard the noise of it coming. It was like a hurricane through wooded country, which is. A lot of it is about how people heard it. First people heard. Is that regular?

[Dave Anthony]

Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. The first thing he could see were trees on the move. More than a flood. So they were all very confused when they would first see it because it did just look like a forest was Attacking.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then the water. They'd eventually see the water chaser. There was also a. Something they like. The first sign of water they saw was actually a mistake. They called it, I think, the black mist. So the first thing they saw was like a Tim Burton movie kind of coming at them like a Sleepy Hollow. Cool. Yeah, very cool. Very cool at first, but then you go, oh, what the. You know, and then. Well, then you're talking to a guy and you're going, you know, hey, do you know anything of my family? And he's going, oh, no, it's over.

[Dave Anthony]

Here's me telling the story. First the mist came, and then nothing. And I said. I said, whoa. And then your family was gone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I hears me. You be him.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. I hears me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, you go. Did you hear anything in my family? No. Hell no.

[Dave Anthony]

Did you hear anything about my family?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, they'll be fine. Oh. And then I go home. I go, man, I hope he. Someone else told him. Okay, so. All right. So the first thing he sees are these trees on the move. The water at this point is coming in at 75ft high. That's.

[Dave Anthony]

That's very high.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's very high. And it really fluctuates throughout this, so it's hard to fully know it. I think it was changing in heights again based on where it was sort of stopping. Where it was like kind of hitting into a bridge and. And like that. So there were. It. It fluctuates in. In height. And people.

[Dave Anthony]

For people in other countries, it's like 23 meters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And for people in England, it's nine twiggies.

[Dave Anthony]

Don't ever say that again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, so. So Hestes is coming.

[Dave Anthony]

It's hot, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm okay. You're hot.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. But I might lose the shirt. I might have lose the shirt. I have a tropical disease of some sort.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, loop bit you?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay, so. Okay, so the trees are moving. He sees it coming. And Hess sees this. And remember, he's on his train still. And like an action hero, Hess turns to another engineer and said, quote, the lake's broken.

[Dave Anthony]

That's. He's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's right. And Hess jumped into action and shouted that all the men and women around needed to run. But he stayed on the train. Why?

[Dave Anthony]

Because you don't abandon your train.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because Hess was on a mission. A whistle mission.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, he's gonna whistle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The a wishing.

[Dave Anthony]

He's so he's gonna. He's gonna whistle to warn people. But is he gonna drive the train? Is he gonna take off while the whistling. Do we have a Paul Revere situation happen? And let's just also add that it wasn't really Paul Revere. There was someone else on that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, hey, hey. No, no, no, no. I'm teaching. I'm teaching, I'm teaching. Stop, stop, stop, stop. Some context. The train whistle was actually very important to an engineer. Engineers would play around with their tune, their tone, their tenor to make sure it sounded just right for them. It was like a logo, but, you know, a whistle. The whistle was part of the man, the job, the passion. Why, gosh, it mattered as much as the train he conducted. Okay, so anyways, here comes Dave Anthony. So anyways, Hess gets on the train, and he gets the train train steaming and moving. And not only was he holding his whistle down physically, but he eventually tied it down with rope. And what Hess was doing was exactly what you said. He was trying to Paul Revere, even though he's a fake, trying to warn as many people.

[Dave Anthony]

Train moves slow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The train moves slow.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, it's a joke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he. He doesn't have much time, so it's not like he's, you know, I don't know how many people he saved necessarily. But yes, it's, you know, it's not like. It's like he's not flooring a. Like a Tesla or something.

[Dave Anthony]

It's on fire.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So. So what he was doing was trying to warn as many people as possible that could hear it. He said, quote, I didn't know what else to do. I didn't see what else I could do. End quote. And by net, it worked. The Hess whistle kept going as he got closer to Kahnema, where he lived, and people heard it and ran for higher elevation and somewhere.

[Dave Anthony]

How did they know, just hearing the whistle, that they had to run for higher ground?

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they are so familiar with what a train whistle does.

[Dave Anthony]

So if a train whistle is doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, you hear like a choo choo.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But if this was going well, it's really going like. And like there's a flood. Like, they like their Pete. There's a huge storm, so people, like, freak out. So people.

[Dave Anthony]

So these people are weirdos?

[Gareth Reynolds]

These people are trained weirdos.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know what to tell you. And. And then. So he takes the train all the way to where he lives.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. At his house.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And literally. And he just jumps off it. And he gets to his house just in the nick of time. He saved countless lives there in Kahnema and in Woodvale.

[Dave Anthony]

This is like the guy who saved all Those people's lives in Altadena a couple months ago.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Never heard of him. What did he do?

[Dave Anthony]

He's this random. He's just. He's this dude who graduated from, like a climate, some sort of climate, you know, degree. And he. And I've always followed him, and he's just talks about going up in the park and Altadena and stuff. And in the middle of the night, he put out on a Facebook group. He said, everybody get out. And that was like two hours before the fire hit. He saved, like, many lives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like his Facebook's a train whistle.

[Dave Anthony]

Right? And he. Apparently on Facebook, he typed in that's why.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because people hear that and they know.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And so it was just T o o o o o T lag train. I'm gonna turn on the ac.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You keep. Okay. All right. Okay. All right. So full trains and pretzel track. We're now in the flood waters ahead. So the train station gets pretty much demolished. Some survive. Some of the people on the trains obviously don't make it. Some do.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, there's a pretty big lot there, so I think get in there. Sears or larger company, It's a good location.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is a long time ago and this is a while ago.

[Dave Anthony]

Maybe movie theaters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is a while ago. I don't think they had that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but it's a good piece of land.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Some of the trains were Pullman's, just so, you know, just for a callback. Okay, so now it's 407, like an hour. Yeah, no, it's been a little longer.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. And now two towns in an hour.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No more than a few. There's a few towns, but those are the main ones. Okay, so at 407, I mean, it's. It's a river, so it's like it is going for a while, going down. It's kind of like. I think they call it a river. That's what it is. Yeah, it's a river. I can't remember what they call it. It's not horseshoeing, but something like that. Where, like, as it would get to the.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure. It sloshes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. So at 407, it was time for Johnstown. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, no, wait, that's bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's all bad. The flood hit in three different directions through the city. About 40 miles per hour at this point.

[Dave Anthony]

How many people are living there?

[Gareth Reynolds]

In Johnstown, there's quite a lot. I mean, thousands.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So 40 miles per hour. Truly a wall of water consuming everything. It got near Cambria Iron from. Remember Daniel Morell, his company. Whatever. There we go. So Cambria Iron, the Daniel Morrell company we talked about in the first one. The guy with the neck beard that people really enjoyed. Yeah, Good guy visual. He's a great guy. Cambria Iron had been fulfilling some orders for barbed wire at the time that it got totally leveled by the flood.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't like this at all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So the flood now had barbed wire in it, too.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is good, because you want barbed wire, you want trains, you want all that stuff in your flood. You want bridges. So like we said, so now there's barbed wire, trains, parts of the bridge and the flood. It's great.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a lot of stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a lot of stuff. It's like a Pier one Imports.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, if I'm downstream, I'm just gonna probably not get in it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I also would think about the people who could kind of dig in there for stuff they've want.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, if you want barbed wire, this could be great for you. Or a train. I mean, if your guy was. I mean, most of us pine for trains, especially back then.

[Dave Anthony]

It's all up for grabs. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, you could just be a melon real quick. Yeah. The waters were also picking up houses in Johnstown. The waters. So, like, they were. They were like demolishing houses before. But in Johnstown, the waters hit a wooden house with a woman who was baking. The house was ripped from its foundation and flipped on its side and the oven for baking fell over. And then so the house caught on fire. So a firehouse is now being moved by the rush of water. Get it? And now you've got a fire flood. So now you gotta flood with fire.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, that's on her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I agree. And that we've just. That's something we've just started to get into in America again when we're lighting fires on oceans and stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

But look, if you hear the rumble of a flood, you turn off the stove.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I agree. And that's how it worked back then.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Known staples of the city were gone or destroyed or burned. All of the above. Roofs, trees, telegraph poles, pieces of bridge, box, train cars. And like we said that sweet as barbed wire. Also a ton of dead animals and people. As the flood crossed through town, it hit a bridge at the end of the city and was kind of stopped. It was sort of halted. At this point, it was covering approximately 30 acres. There were 1600 wood structures. In was like a makeshift dam due to all the solid waste that had kind of accumulated which is good.

[Dave Anthony]

Well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, good. You know, that it, like, I mean, self stopped kind of.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, stopping is good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's none of this.

[Dave Anthony]

But you can get some. Now you can get some fishing in a little recreation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, but. Well, but hold on, because with all the debris. With all the debris, there's people trapped in it. And they can get out. No, they can't. And the worst thing that could possibly happen happened, which is then that debris caught fire.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's hard to know exactly what happened, how a massive dam of debris was now smoking on fire. Now, maybe it was, but that. What they think is that it was a derailed train tank car that was in the mix, and some coals had spilled from the train car.

[Dave Anthony]

Classic.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And. And then, so, you know, like, 80 more people died from there, from the fire. Now I also think.

[Dave Anthony]

Imagine being stuck in a flood.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It'd. Honestly, I'm trying not to go too dark because, you know, it's not funny, but the accounts of.

[Dave Anthony]

It's insane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The accounts of what people were hearing are just horrific. I mean, they're just like. You know. And, like, people are trying to help people. All right, so the total death toll was 2002. Now, I think what also happened was, like, when it kind of stopped its momentum here, a lot of it, like, rushed back and, like, did another pass through Johnstown, too. So Johnstown completely gets. Yeah, like, it, of all of them, is the one that just completely gets, so. Look, David, obviously there is a tremendous amount of darkness in this event.

[Dave Anthony]

Dave, we don't need the formal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm teaching you. I'm your professor today, and I'm pretty cool.

[Dave Anthony]

It makes it a little stale.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, I'm pretty cool, but I'm not gonna be that cool. But how about this? Maybe after class we can go to the Common, and you and I could smoke a J bone, play a little Frolf. Don't tell your mama.

[Dave Anthony]

Frolf.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mm.

[Dave Anthony]

What is Frolf?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Frisbee Golf.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Just read your story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, I want to talk to you about.

[Dave Anthony]

You're not cool.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You seem pretty down lately. Talk to your teacher's also cool.

[Dave Anthony]

You. I'm down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, teach.

[Dave Anthony]

You're not my teacher.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Say teach.

[Dave Anthony]

You're a guy reading a story, Buddy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You didn't know any of this. I knew it.

[Dave Anthony]

Get back to the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I read over one and a half books.

[Dave Anthony]

Maybe I'm really uncomfortable. Hey, no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, maybe after class we can go do some milkshakes, try to. You look so mad. What's going on at home? Yeah, no, you know, what's going on?

[Dave Anthony]

We'll go do milkshakes after.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's wrong? Is your dad. Is your dad doing something?

[Dave Anthony]

He's dead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What'd he die from?

[Dave Anthony]

He died in a fire after a dam crashed through the town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Damn.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, damn's right. That's where the phrase came from.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's tough, man.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maybe you come over to my house later tonight and we can watch the Never Ending Story.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Why don't you just finish this and we'll get on with.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is an ending story. Well, we'll watch tonight. It'll be a little. Hey, all right. Chill, man. All right. Obviously, there's a tremendous amount of darkness in this event. So rather than focus on all the deaths because they're very dark, I'm going to tell you some amazing stories of survival and heroism. Like when Victor Heiser went to go check on his family's horses in the barn when the epic storm was going on. And then the flood hits and it hit the barn and the barn was lifted up. Like a lot of the other places was fully lifted up. So his dad and he had just built like a trap door from the barn to, like, the roof.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So Victor quickly ran to the roof through the trapdoor in the barn, and then he was up on the house. So while the house is moving down the floodwaters, he's made his way to the top, to the roof. He's kind of barn surfing. Sure. As he took off, he sees that one of his neighbors houses is still actually standing. So he kind of walks to the edge of his roof and he. Jackie Chan jumped off of the barn roof.

[Dave Anthony]

Is he at any time during this, is he yelling yahoo?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't. They don't have that. I think. I don't think these people were celebrating it as much of maybe you.

[Dave Anthony]

What about Cowabunga?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That he did yell. Yeah, Other people yelled that, too. Okay, so. So he Jackie Chans off of that barn of his family's barn roof onto the neighbor's house, and then he gets onto their roof. And as soon as he gets onto their roof, that caves in.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And so that caves in and he falls. And he kind of is hanging on the edge on one of the eaves of the building, but the water is rushing beneath him. And he's trying to get his foot up, but he can't get a foothold. And eventually he's so tired his fingers gave in and he falls off the building onto a piece of debris. It's someone else's roof. So he lands on this roof debris. And now he's rushing down the flood water on the roof. So he's roof boarding, they call it. And it became a huge thing in the X Games as he cruised down the flood. He was pat. He was passing other people from the neighborhood who are also debris kayaking, literally. He sees these people who run a fruit stand, and he's like, hey, what's going on? You know? And they're like, I mean, he's not like that, but he's like, yeah, he's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Did you go get any strawberries?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Did you? The new strawberries come in and. And so. So he holds on. He surfs down the water. Trees are passing over him. Like he's ducking trees, dodging them. And then a train car literally kind of just goes over him.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now the roof splits apart, and he gets on a half of it. And that half, because of what the train did, just kind of gave him momentum. And he said, quote, that he shot out from beneath the freight car like a bullet from a gun. And now he's headed towards this brick building that's still in place. And he jumped off of the wood ski to the roof, where he was now with others who were surviving this ordeal. None of them like him, but still, quote, I was able to hop to the roof and join a small group of people already stranded there, End quote. And he checked his pocket watch right before the barn took off and right after he got to safety, and the whole thing took 10 minutes.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, it's all right. He should have had his video going on his phone. Like, that would be a great TikTok.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This would be good for GoPros. But he didn't even have one.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I guess you could be great to have, like a head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that would have been smart to have some sort of head out.

[Dave Anthony]

So it sounds like he blew it a little bit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When you read back a lot of people like this stories. I don't think they thought he blew it. Yeah, but it's good to get fresh eyes on stuff like that. I think you're kind of providing something that is helpful and maybe that'll be fun tonight when we go get some pizza. Keep on with the story teaching David. Hey, that would be so whack. Jack off. Okay. There's also a story of two men who were leaning out of opposite windows, like, across from the flood, and of small white buildings, and they were using long sticks to try to rescue as many people as they could. And as the floodwaters Are gaining. One of them had a baby. One of them had a baby, huh?

[Dave Anthony]

In the water. Someone's got a baby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think it was a baby they saved from the water. I think there was a. It might have been. I mean, look. Shit. There are a lot of accounts of people pulling a lot of people out of this shit. So there. I mean, there is. Well, anyway, so one of them has a baby and shouts to the other person across the way. And they said, quote, throw that baby over here, end quote. And the other one shouted, quote, do you think you can catch her? End quote. And the other guy says, no, quote, we could try.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, give it. We'll give a shot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he. The other guy tosses the baby 15ft over the water into the arms of another guy, and that guy caught it and the baby.

[Dave Anthony]

But the baby broke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no baby survived.

[Dave Anthony]

Because when you throw a baby that far, I mean, they say, don't throw a baby 20ft because that's definitely gonna break. But like a 15 foot, you got like a 75% chance of just snapping it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, this is why when people see them, people throw their kids into pools and stuff like that, there's a lot of people like, hey, take. This is why you do it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You train in the off season for the event. Yeah, of course. So it's really about, you know, how you've got to know, look, a baby will fly.

[Dave Anthony]

They fly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, you know what I mean? It's like two footballs.

[Dave Anthony]

Especially if someone is good at baby throwing. And that's why I think we should bring this back to the Olympics.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. In la, which we're all excited about. Absolutely. Yeah. That's gonna be good. Another guy just surfed the whole time on a mattress for four miles and survived.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that's. Yeah, yeah, I would do that. That'd be me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's gotta be. That guy was like, definitely at the.

[Dave Anthony]

End, like, I can't believe it floated that long without sinking, but. Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, another family stayed in their house all night and just floated on their bed the whole night, I'm guessing.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure, why not?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It probably had a wood base and. But they just floated. Again, mixed in here are a lot of stories that are not anywhere like this.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I want to just say, as far as the floating in the house story, their story sucks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's not great. I think you'll like this one. One guy named Leroy Temple was counted as dead, but was actually very much alive. After the flood carried him away from his home, he hit the Stone bridge. Got out, climbed this embankment, and immediately walked to Massachusetts, where he was from originally. So he literally went far of a walk. Is that. I mean, it's a distance. It's maybe under a thousand. It's still fucking. It's crazy to go from bridge to Boston. Hundreds of hundreds of miles.

[Dave Anthony]

But look, you get out, you're like, well, nothing here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Or you're just like, well, fuck that. Like, that's what I would do after, like climb. You know what I mean? That's like what you feel like doing. People in Johnstown thought it was a myth. Thought his story was made up. Because there were a lot of made up stories. Thought his story was a myth. But 10 years later he returned and everyone's like, holy shit, there you are. Yeah. He's like, cool, I'm alive. I just went to Massachusetts for a while.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I took a break. This place is a bummer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

It's also good to get out of the place you were born in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he was born in Massachusetts.

[Dave Anthony]

Never mind.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, you know, it's not actually. I'd say it's just good to get out of the places that are flooding.

[Dave Anthony]

With the places under 75.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A train flood.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay, so, Dave. The destruction was still unfathomable, incomparable. It was and remains to be the deadliest flood in the history of the United States.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, so let me ask you this. We'll get into this now. Who didn't pay? Go ahead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who didn't pay?

[Dave Anthony]

Who didn't pay for the crime?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I don't know. What do you mean? I don't get into that. This is.

[Dave Anthony]

You're not going to talk about how no one was held accountable?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on. You think that's what this is all about? Yes. One out of every three bodies was unidentified. Basically, one person out of every 10 that was around died. And Johnstown got it worse. There was more like, you know, nine out of every nine. But America, you know us, we love tragedy porn.

[Dave Anthony]

We do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So America couldn't stop reading about the flood. His estimates were all over the map is how many people passed away. Some papers were estimating 10,000 and higher.

[Dave Anthony]

I agree with that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Pittsburgh. I don't think that's right. The Pittsburgh Post Gazette was so sought after that it had to shrink its page size. Yeah, so that it could print enough editions.

[Dave Anthony]

I've done that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was called the Great Calamity or the Nation's Greatest Calamity or the Historic Catastrophe. The papers kept printing the names of all the dead. It Was kind of one of those morbid press fascinations fueled by people unable to get enough Right. So not knowing where. And that also is like we do that now but back then. So that's the thing. Like we are so into that now. Like reading about the awful stuff. But back then, I mean this just had to be like as good as does itch that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. People like it. People like a disaster story. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then. But what is this one is obviously a huge disaster. So you should be have some sort of interest or intrigue. But the. You know, it's like now we'll go like a hiker got stabbed. Right. We got a kick out every.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, things called the hicker.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice. So not knowing where the interest pieces should stop. The Philadelphia Press had a story on June 5 about the undertakers in the area. So this is where they're kind of finding the bott.

[Dave Anthony]

They're busy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're busy. They're busy.

[Dave Anthony]

The busy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's what this story really is about. Undertakers in the area. Read quote. One of the most ghastly and nauseous sights to those unaccustomed to scenes of death is the launching arrangement for the undertakers. These men are working so hard that they have no time for meals. And huge boilers of steaming coffee, loaves of bread and dried beef and preserves are carried into the channel house and placed at the disposal of the workers.

[Dave Anthony]

And you don't want to get the beef and the people mixed up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Along comes one weary toiler, his sleeves rolled up, an apron in front of his perspiring profusely despite the cold damp weather. He was just finishing washing a clammy corpse, has dabbed it with cold water, manipulated it about on the boards. And in the interval before the body of another poor wretch is brought in, gets a cup of coffee and a sandwich with dripping hands, he eats his lunch with relish, setting his cup occasionally beside the hideous face of a decomposing corpse and totally oblivious to his horrible surroundings.

[Dave Anthony]

Does the sandwich have relish on it or is he relishing the sandwich?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think, well, you. He eats his lunch with relish. I think he's having a side of relish. Now, I want to point out. That's a wild first question. That's a wild follow up.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's get the. The basic sandwich.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think the first like they. They're talking about how this guy, he's not washing his hands right, but he's like.

[Dave Anthony]

I think the important thing here is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What'S he eating like let's, they got into that. But the idea, I mean, you know what he's eating, it's just to be so specifically like was it, was it relish on the sandwich or was it separate relish?

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

So if I'm surrounded by bodies and I'm here we go, wiping them down, I'm doing this. I'm probably famished. After a while, I'm going to eat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And. And. And you just eat. You eat on your job site. It's no different than a guy who's on a construction site. You see him, the picture, and they're. They're up on the steel beam and they're eating their sandwich or they're eating at work.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's different. So you're just vastly different.

[Dave Anthony]

So you're just eating at work.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's vastly different. It's vastly different.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you saying that he should have like a break room?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think that's better because I do think you're. The odds go up that some guy is going to forget and just start eating a guy's hand and then start like, you know, performing whatever autopsy stuff he has to or post mortem stuff he has to. On a sandwich.

[Dave Anthony]

That he wipes his mouth and then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

With another guy's hand and then he.

[Dave Anthony]

Wipes the corpse's mouth. Yeah, he's not thinking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he's just eating brain.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, because he thinks it's the relish, which is actually a good point about the relish.

[Dave Anthony]

This is how the, the next part of the story, which is the zombie outbreak.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I'll handle again, I'll handle. Don't talk about what's coming up or where you think this is going.

[Dave Anthony]

And let's not forget to get swim lessons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not a bad. Not a bad point at all. My camera's off. Okay, so the funniest piece of journalism.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, also, it's interesting that you framed it that way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I also took out the thing about a fake Paul Revere that they made up. Oh, yeah, they made up. They made up their own fake Paul Revere and he was this guy named. I can't remember what his name was.

[Dave Anthony]

Toots the Horn.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's the guy, he's the guy who came and he was telling everybody and let's go.

[Dave Anthony]

There's a flooded.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So he existed in the papers for like three years or two years.

[Dave Anthony]

And it wasn't real.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was not real. Okay. So the funniest bit of journalism, I think was this Johnstown woman who was called a bride. She wasn't even called a woman. They were like a Johnstown bride who was quoted as saying, quote, today they took five little children out of the water who had been playing Ring around the Rosie. Their hands were clasped in a clap which even in death did not loosen. And their faces were still smiling. So they're having a good time. I just, they immediately. People were like, that's not. No, that wouldn't happen. They weren't frozen. Like, no, they're in demolition.

[Dave Anthony]

The water hits.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He seems up. No, no. Once the water Hits you like this, they're probably freaked out if they existed.

[Dave Anthony]

You be the water, I'll be the kid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Water. Coming, coming, coming, coming, coming. Okay. So the second it touches you. So it is a little terminatory. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You grab and then the smile goes up and you're.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just don't believe the smile would hang. I don't think. I think that looks. Drowning. 1889 called bullshit. 1889, drowning takes a couple minutes.

[Dave Anthony]

And how long does it take to lose a smile? Three.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A lifetime. Okay. Another hero was Ms. Clara Barton, who was brought in from the recently started American Red cross. She was 67 years old and set up headquarters in a railroad car that was not being used. She made. She made herself a makeshift desk and she started sending out orders immediately. She got construction underway for temporary houses for those who'd lost their homes and had surveys to see how many people in the area needed any attention. She and the Red Cross did an amazing job, and she was promised they would stay as long as there was work to do. We are always the last to leave the field. End quote. And she meant it. She stayed a full five months, never leaving once. David, She's a reminder of what can be done when funding goes to organizations to help people in disasters.

[Dave Anthony]

So she just, without permission, took over a rail car.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, that's not. You're framing her as a villain.

[Dave Anthony]

What I heard.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is a person who helped.

[Dave Anthony]

What? Sounds like she just went in and commandeered someone else's property.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's helped. She set up a office in a train. I mean, that's what you're mad about.

[Dave Anthony]

Everybody has.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, like, she's a hero.

[Dave Anthony]

I just think you got nobody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nobody has poured water on her.

[Dave Anthony]

It just. At some point you got to ask. No. Who's taking the risk?

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, so. Excuse me. Who said you could be here? You come in. I need to see some identification, please. This is not okay. You work for the railroad, The Red Cross.

[Dave Anthony]

The fuck is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I never heard of that.

[Dave Anthony]

Get out of here, you fucking deadbeat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's what I love now, too. Like, when you see, like, that's why I just don't. We're so accustomed now to when there's a natural disaster, everything being like, will you donate to the American Red Cross? It's like, we. We should. We have the money. Like, get. Put it.

[Dave Anthony]

Why don't you take some of that bomb money?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, why don't you take the bomb money and just go to like. But instead, they're just like, these People. I mean, again, it's not. It's not a lack of sympathy for those who are in disasters. It's just like you. You do it. You have all the.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You took all of our money. Yeah, okay. But for all the people like Clara, there were also a bunch of idiots who also. I should say Colonel Unger and John park, or, sorry, John park and. And Hess, were also viewed as heroes. Has the whistle guy. John park, the guy who went down and told them all. Anyway, for all the people like Clara, there were also a bunch of idiots who showed up for the wrong reasons.

[Dave Anthony]

These guys.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love these guys. You're going to like this guy.

[Dave Anthony]

These are the best guys.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like the religious lunatic who went by the name Lewis the Light, who wore nothing but long red underwear and handed out hand bills with dumb written on them, like, quote, death is man's last and only enemy. Extinction of death in his only hope. Your soul, your breath ends by death. We whoop, we're all in the soup. Who's all right? Louis the Light.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, is any of that wrong? No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is any of the right. Yeah, okay. Phil's Lewis Delight. Yeah, I don't know.

[Dave Anthony]

He's. He's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Red, long underwear, walking around town.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, you're now mad at a guy who's basically like a flood. Santa Claus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

First of all, you're the one who was getting mad at Clara for just taking a.

[Dave Anthony]

She's a freeloader. It doesn't sound like this guy's taken over any property.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, but he's okay.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, there's always a crazy guy. The crazy religious guys are always there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, and also, I took this out good for time, but there's a lot of. A lot of xenophobia, too. A lot of stuff about the hunkies, the Hungarians. Every immigrant was called a hunky now. And anyone who wasn't just like a traditional American was called a hunky. They were being blamed for a lot of. There's a lot of disgusting, like, cartoons of like, you know, these kind of dingy dudes trying to take advantage. There were a lot of people taking advantage of the situation. There were even people showing up at the Red Cross and getting free handouts and shit like that. But a lot of it for a while was obviously blamed on immigrants because America's gonna. America, let's remember this land was okay. So donations did pour in from everywhere. Trains with first aid supplies kept coming in. Tons of lumber, furniture, barrels of embalming fluid or pine tar. Minneapolis sent a lot of flour Walla Walla gave a carload of potatoes. Cincinnati was generous enough to give £20,000 of ham.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's kept coming.

[Dave Anthony]

Classic Cincinnati. They still do that today?

[Gareth Reynolds]

They do. Cincinnati always makes it. Ham rain.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They're like, who needs ham?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And you're like, not now.

[Dave Anthony]

We're good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We need another disaster. We have too much ham. Okay. We need. We're gonna blow up. That was government building.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that's the thing is when they start blowing shit up just to get the ham out, it's really well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because when you give them, when you grant the hand budget, it's like they need to spend it. So to get it. To get it re. Re.

[Dave Anthony]

Upped.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. All right. But Dave, you were alluding to this before jumping ahead, but what about South Fork? Well, Davey boy David. Sweet Dan. There were now more and more rumblings about the responsibility that they had in the event.

[Dave Anthony]

You know what, pointing fingers is dumb, but. Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Colonel Unger, remember him? He was. He was running the. He's running the place now because Rough died.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So Colonel Unger and John park were finally reached for comment and they both spoke. Unger told the Pittsburgh Post that they did everything they could to prevent the disaster. And he kind of lamented the fact that the club was about $150,000 in the hole, but he didn't really do.

[Dave Anthony]

Everything he could because, like, he didn't let them clean off the drain in time. And.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it wasn't even really a drain at this point. But. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You didn't let him remove the fish. The fish gate thing still, you know what I mean?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Again, you're forgetting that it was a buck of fish.

[Dave Anthony]

Also, he's a colonel, so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's a colonel.

[Dave Anthony]

Leave him alone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They said that when he went back to his place after all this, he collapsed. Like, he had a dramatic collapse, like. And the victim, John park, again, still considered a hero, told the New York son, quote, no blame could be attached to anyone for this greatest of horrors. It was a calamity that could not be avoided.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, why is John park considered a hero?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because he was the one who, when the dam was. He thought it was about to fail. He saw it kind of cresting. He took his horse and got to town in 10 minutes to tell them to send the. The telegram off. He was shouting to everybody. So he. He told the son that the problem was, quote, storm after storm. And he said, quote, by 12:00, everybody in the Kanama region did know or should have known of their danger.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

End quote.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not right.

[Dave Anthony]

It's on. It's on the individual.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It says so America. Well, I don't know. One member of the South Fork fishing and Hunting club named James McGregor said there was no problem with South Fart. South Park Park. South Park, South Fork. He said he thought the whole thing was just a big misunderstanding. He even boasted the quote. He even boasted, quote, I am going there to fish the latter part of this month. As for the idea of the dam ever being condemned, it is nonsense.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We have been putting in from 20,000 to $15,000 a year at South Fork. We have all been shaking hands with ourselves for some years and being pretty clever businessmen, we should not be likely to drop that much money in a place that we thought was unsafe. No, sir. The dam is just as safe as it ever was. And any other reports are simply wild notions and.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. I mean, there's no proof of that ever being wrong.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it's also so much like today where he does, you know, what we always do, which is just equate money with intelligence or capability.

[Dave Anthony]

Look, I'm successful, so I do think I have money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So you can let me fix everything.

[Dave Anthony]

History of littered with rich idiots.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, And I mean, it really does bring you to now like where you're just like, what the fuck? And the amount of people are just like, he has so much money. How do you think he got it on the back of everybody around him? Of course we're talking about Jesse the body Ventura. Lewis Clark, who was a club member, told the New York Herald that after talking to some engineers, he wasn't even sure if the dam was the issue at all.

[Dave Anthony]

Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very Republican.

[Dave Anthony]

She's right. Yeah. It was a. It was a parts around the dam.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he. He's saying it could have been another dam entirely.

[Dave Anthony]

Thank you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

James Reed, another member, echoed that and said, quote, in the absence of any positive statement, I will continue to doubt, as do many others familiar with the place, that it really let go. It might have been a different dam.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So second, now we're doing the double dam theory.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, have you heard and this is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of the Grassy dam?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, this is a pretty common thing that happens in the situation. But have you heard of a ghost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Damn, is that with Bill Cosby?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So the ghost dam will let go and that will cause other dams to then. So it's not necessarily in the material world, but often a ghost dam is at fault.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's what it is. Pretty. It does show you how up their own asses they are to be like, we gotta figure out which dam did this when they have no damn. They have no damn left. And they are just like, all right, there's definitely a dam.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it was damn.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We got to figure out which dam did it.

[Dave Anthony]

Who up our dam?

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, as you would imagine, people are now getting pissed. On June 3, reporters from Johnstown went to the dam and started reporting back and kind of ended a lot of the speculation that the dam had not done the damage.

[Dave Anthony]

How many. How many days after was that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is a few days. Okay, it's pretty quick. After. They then also began tracing the history of the dam back, which was bad news for the club. Like we said, he took the sluices out. There's just. There's bad swelling in the middle. There's. There's the cresting issue. There's the drop, the dip. That Monday night, a group of furious men from Johnstown went to the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club looking for any members who may have been hanging around.

[Dave Anthony]

Hanging?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hanging. Well, that'd be great. When they couldn't find anybody, they just broke into some of the cottages by smashing the windows and destroyed the furniture, which is a letdown. I mean, so you come all that way, you want to do something, make.

[Dave Anthony]

Love, and have a nice weekend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I would definitely be banging. Yeah, there's no doubt. You just definitely whoever, too. I'm not.

[Dave Anthony]

No. I mean, I think it's. This is about romance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just. You know what I do? I'd bang the bearskin rug, okay? I just toss it over chair with some of your other buddies. I take one of those sluices right there.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Got a bear hole. Fucking. You know what I mean? Right there in front of your friend. You're just going like, we're going to show these guys who's boss.

[Dave Anthony]

This is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, man.

[Dave Anthony]

This is 100 worse than the flood. No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on. I'm about to flood. No. Oh, my damn. My damn. None of that.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. You're looking out the window.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm for long for Lauren. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Forlorn. So they. They. It seems like they were genuinely gonna go kill Colonel Unger, but he could not be found.

[Dave Anthony]

They should have.

[Gareth Reynolds]

People were pissed. A lawyer in Allegheny county, which is right there, said, quote, I predict there will be legal suits with possible criminal indictments as a result of this catastrophe.

[Dave Anthony]

I predict there won't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I am told that the South Fork Club has been repeatedly warned of the safety of Its dam. And it comes from good authority, end quote. But it also, it wasn't helping. The optics were terrible. All the members, as soon as the storm lifted, just left. None of them stuck around to help the people who'd been affected so greatly. And once the specifics were getting out about Rough and how he'd, quote, rebuilt the dam, people were furious. Then H.W. brinkenhoff, a renowned engineer, and M. Wellington and F.B. burt and P.B. acronym. Come on, that one's fake. But all the others are real. All from Engineering News showed up. And on June 5, they had rendered their own verdict to the New York sun with a headline that read, quote, cause of calamity. Cause of the Calamity. The Pittsburgh fishing club, chiefly responsible. The waste gates closed when the club took possession, end quote. So the club was on the hook in their opinion. Quote. There was no massive masonry nor any tremendous exhibition of engineering skills and designing the structure, putting it up. There was no masonry at all. In fact, not any engineering worthy of the name. The dam was simply a gigantic heap of earth dumped across the course of a mountain stream between two low hills.

[Dave Anthony]

That works.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It does. Does not.

[Dave Anthony]

It does.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It doesn't work.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, what are you, a beaver now?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, that would be way more helpful. But more and more people are coming out talking about how terrible the dam was, how even when it got rebuilt, they were scared. Well, people were talking about it. People were like, for a long time were like, that's not good. Like, people would even go like, even you, like Daniel Morell in the first episode, he's going like, hey, what the fuck? Like there's so there's definitely people down there. But it is one of those things where it's like, it is like the wildfires. It's like you are very accustomed to, like they were accustomed to flooding because there was a lot of rain and stuff or, or you know, however it was happening. But the full on tragedy, you don't, you can't even if you know it's coming. Like, you're like, well, what the fuck am I going to do? They're not going to do shit, right? So you're just sitting down there waiting. Finally a jury of coroners said, quote from the testimony and what we saw on the ground that was, there was. It was not sufficient water, nor was the dam constructed sufficiently strong nor of the proper material to stand the overflow. And hence we find the owners of the dam were culpable and not making it as secure as it should have been. Especially in view of the fact that a population of many thousands were in the valley below. And we hold that the owners are responsible for the fearful loss of life and property resulting from a breaking of the dam. End quote. So now the story goes viral. All the websites are snagging it, picking it up. It's on Perez, Drudge. It's on Drudge. It's Breitbarted, cnn, Daily Wire. Daily Wire.

[Dave Anthony]

All the great ones.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All the goats. Yeah, Slate, Slate. Which is still awesome. The headlines like, quote, the club is guilty, quote, neglect caused the break. Quote, shall the officers of the fishing club answer to the terrible results? A week later, the New York Times had a headline that read, quote, an engineering crime. The dam of inferior construction according to the experts.

[Dave Anthony]

And what's an expert?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, an engineer. Someone who was. Someone who was like, it's debatable. No, no, no, no. It's 100% not. It truly.

[Dave Anthony]

Is it okay to act? Can I ask questions about it?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I be the teach and then your data?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you want to ask questions.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, shut me down. I'm just saying it's okay to like, not everybody knows everything. And it's okay to, like, be like, maybe the engineers weren't right here. Like, it's okay to ask questions.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is. I'm with you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just think it's when those people are in power. You know what I mean? You can't doja dam.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, it sounds like maybe the engineers. Who's paying them? You know, where are they getting their. Their engineering materials?

[Gareth Reynolds]

So are you. Are you. You're doing the thing where you're just sort of saying like, empty thoughts just to kind of just asking questions. Okay, but it's a bad question.

[Dave Anthony]

This is free speech.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Speech. Okay, so science is about asking questions, and it's not science. It truly appeared that no actual engineers this will help were brought in to take a look at what they were doing. The dam also never appeared to have actually been inspected by anyone, quote, who by any stretch of charity could be regarded as an expert.

[Dave Anthony]

Why would you inspect it if it's working well, it's holding the water. It's working well, so you don't need an inspection.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Till now, it was just Richmond doing whatever they wanted as quickly and as cheaply as they wanted, and they didn't care. But maybe it wasn't even beyond what happened at the club. A great paragraph. Again, most of this is from the book the Johnstown flood by David McCullough. This is a great passage from the book, quote, for despite the progress being Made everywhere. Despite the growing prosperity and the prospect of even more of an abundant future, there were strong feelings that perhaps not all was right with the Republic. And if the poor Hungarians of Johnstown were signs of a time to come when a hunky could get a job quicker than a real American, then the gentlemen of the South Fork Fishing and Hunting Club were signs of something else that was perhaps even worse. Was it not the lakes of them? Was it not for the likes of them that were bringing in the hunkies, buying legislatures, cutting wages and getting a great deal richer than was right or good for any mortal man in a free democratic country? People were beginning to think a little more about just what it was they might be losing and to whom. And the more they thought about it, and especially the working men, the less they liked.

[Dave Anthony]

Blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? Like, whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, it sounds like it's not in either way.

[Dave Anthony]

These guys don't want jobs. Is that what I'm hearing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, they want jobs. Well, they're just, you know, it's the same.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's never stopped.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's never stopped.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is country is. That's what this podcast is about? It never has stopped.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, no, I don't think so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, because it's not a. Whatever you called it at the beginning, a property podcast.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a property podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nope. But it is. It's just like, I don't know this. When I first heard about this, I was like, oh, sake. It just. They just don't. Okay, well, anyway, they don't care. They don't care. I mean, you are not gonna be held accountable. I know, but even then, most of us don't. You think, like, most of us would be, like, the right thing to do factors into your thinking.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, yeah, but they're not that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But they get there because they don't have that part of their brain.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, that and the richer. There's tons of studies, the richer you get, the less empathy you have.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Go. You put your hand there. Thank you. Among all the failings of the dam, it was becoming clear that if they had just removed the fucking fish guards, it would have made a huge difference. And, you know, maybe it wouldn't have stopped it, but it would have helped prevent it a little bit.

[Dave Anthony]

So you just pull in the fish sentries. You're like, hey, you guys, drop your guns. You don't need to be there. We don't need fish guards right now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They were the, like, the greats that.

[Dave Anthony]

Were on we get any name you want for them. But, yeah, guards.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Yeah, they weren't. There's. And we're not talking like a fish army. Well, it's actually the Navy.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a fish guard that we're talking about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

They're keeping an eye on them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Okay. Quote. To preserve game for some Pittsburgh swells, the life lives of 15,000 were sacrificed. Again, the numbers, that's a lot.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is not what it was. So feeling the heat, the club members started to pony up a little bit of money. Oh, yeah. They started to try to buy their way out of it. Henry. Henry clay frick gave 5,000, which would be around 170,000 a day. The Mellon family, who was involved, I didn't even get into them, but the Mellon family gave a thousand. Andrew Carnegie gave 10,000. You think that's nothing? One asshole gave $15, which would be 500 in today's money. It cost 800 to join. 800 to join. He gave 500 in today's money. You get $15. It's like a dude at a strip club, like, throwing pennies on. Hank. Hank, can we talk to you over here? Hanky. Okay. So when litigation was finally brought, though, it pretty much stalled out. Yeah, they couldn't bring any criminal cases for a couple of reasons. One, because Roth, who had made a lot of those decisions, was dead. And they didn't think that the club as an entity could be at fault. It was made up of a bunch of members, but the club itself was. Again, there's obviously going to be some lawyering around the edges because these are very rich people.

[Dave Anthony]

You. You sue the club and then everyone who's part of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But it's like Enron. Like, you can't blame Enron.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I can.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Enron didn't do anything. Enron's a class organization.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, but Enron, there was a couple of. Oopsie.

[Dave Anthony]

The guys who ran the club, or.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There were a couple of. If you're listening, there were a couple of Oopsie poopsies in the club. But the club was healthy. Plus, there were a lot of points being made that this flub, this flub, this flood, was so unique that they couldn't have prepared for it. It was. They had not seen anything like it.

[Dave Anthony]

You know why it was unique? Because they did a dam about. Any engineers. They just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, the flood, the amount of rain was. Like I said, we don't know exactly how much it was because the guy who was supposed to, like.

[Dave Anthony]

So worst case scenario, which is what you make a dam for yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like the levees in New Orleans. It's like. You go. You go. Yeah, well, okay. What if the. What fucking. The worst thing happens? What are you gonna do? Again, these are very rich guys influencing this area. So the American Society of Civil Engineers dragged their feet in investigating because of who they were investigating. And when their findings finally came out, it favored the club. They basically said that you can't prove it was negligence. And the flood was so bad, even with the drain pipe issue, even with drain pipes, it still might have failed. You know. Plus, what year is this again? This is 1889. So it is true. Also, like, when this is going on, like, Carnegie is.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's in Paris. Then he goes to Scotland to golf. Yeah. And like, all these people are dead and their lives are completely ruined. Their businesses, all that stuff. Stuff. And they. One guy offered $15.

[Dave Anthony]

They don't. They don't give a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They have. They are our worst. Yeah. Okay. So these are the richest men of the era. So, you know, they were rich, and the rich people always win. So who gives a. The only way to do it was with individual lawsuits instead of one big criminal one. So individual lawsuits were brought, but when a suit was brought, they would move it around a lot to kind of delay it. And then when it was finally going, it would be in the area. And still, so much of the area was still a steel town, like Cambria Steel, like, still stayed open after this. They need money and jobs more than ever. So, like, you'd get a couple of those guys on a jury and, you know, whatever. So nothing happened. Arguably, the saddest lawsuit of the lot was brought from the club over to the club from a guy named Jacob Strayer, who was a lumber dealer. He sued the club for $80,000 in lost goods. And they did the thing. The case was kind of bouncing around from court to court. Like I said. Club was always changing the venue. Then five years into the lawsuit, Strayer figured out that his lawyer, without his knowledge, had actually already settled the case out of court for $500 and died shortly thereafter. And Strayer went bankrupt, and that was the end of it.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I mean, that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Awful.

[Dave Anthony]

It's silly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a story of a lawyer. I mean, but that's illegal.

[Dave Anthony]

You can't. You got it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's why he died right after. Yeah, I'm.

[Dave Anthony]

And, yeah, he was gonna die.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I gotta get out of here. Spent $500 and then he took off.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So in other words, the club just completely, fully got away with it. With no accountability. Got away with it.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what happens to rich people in this country. That's why we are where we are. Because for years and years, there's no laws for the rich.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, because they influence. I mean, they. Again, it comes down to the thing we always talk about, which is just you can't. You can't have this system where money is literally everything. Money is literally everything. Then people are going to do everything to get it. Yeah. And the sick people will get all of it, and they'll do anything to get it, and they'll treat the regular people like to get it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And so they just ruin everything. And it's just like on this scale now, I mean, and this was a poor town. This was not like. This was like a small, working class poor town. And they were doing all right. And then everything got taken away from them. The difference from then till now is that, you know, they actually. There was work, like, there was an outpour. There were. There was, like, help coming. They were. The government was assisting. There was stuff going on. Now, I mean, what. It's West Virginia, right, Where it's just like, they still have. Not, like Trump has not addressed the floods there. And, you know, that's just kind of how it goes. All right, so in August 1889, the North American Review had an article called the Lesson of Kahnema. In it, Major John Wesley Powell, when writing about the dam, said it had not, quote, properly related to the natural conditions, end quote. And at the end of the article, he stated, quote, modern industries are handling the forces of nature on a stupendous scale. Woe to the people who trust these powers, to the hands of fools. End quote. That's the story of this fork fishing and hunting club and how they killed thousands of people.

[Dave Anthony]

So it's a happy. Good. That had a good ending. It's a good story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a good story. It's a fun story. It's cool. It's just cool. So what's up? It's good. It's good. Good. This, like I said, the Johnstown flood by David McCullough. I was there on the History channel, on YouTube. Flood destruction, flood, fire destruction. The Great Johnstown Flood, and some stuff from NPS history dot com. And that's it. That's a. That's that goddamn nightmare. So.

[Dave Anthony]

Yay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You want to go out with your teach for maybe some pizza?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we'll get some pizza and maybe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do some sluice pipes. Put them on a bear rug.

[Dave Anthony]

Do the leapfrog thing. You were talking about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely. Do all that stuff. Will it ever change, Dave?

[Dave Anthony]

Nope.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you think the worse it's getting now, we might be getting close to some breaking point?

[Dave Anthony]

It could totally.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Will the dam break, so to speak?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah, the dam's gonna break in some way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But they just have so much.

[Dave Anthony]

They do. They have a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now they're gonna have robot dogs with the flamethrower dogs that are not going to be capable. I mean, that's the good news. We will be living in, like the stupid version of.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The first time they set out robots to keep control of everybody, it's gonna be a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, you saw that robot, like, beating the out of like someone in China, right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's pretty cool. All right, well, there you go. That's. That's that. So shout out to the rich people. Yeah. Thank you.

[Dave Anthony]

No, thank you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you. Thank me. Hey there, doll heads. This is Gareth Reynolds. You know me. I'm from the Gare Force, part of the Dolla podcast. Love you, doll heads. Listen, I'm gonna be doing some stand up comedy. You can go to GarethReynolds.com for all tickets of information. Naples, Florida, March 24. Charlotte, April 13. Raleigh, April 14. Virginia Beach, Virginia. April 15. Richmond, Virginia. April 16. Magoobies in Lutherville, Baltimore, whatever the hell you want to call it. April 17. April 18. April 19. Then I'll be in Winnipeg, Canada, May 29. May 30. May 31. I'll be in Chattanooga, Tennessee on August 8. August 9. Go to garethreynolds.com I'll also be in the Comedy Fort in Fort Collins the following weekend. More dates being added coming at you. Garethreynolds.com you're part of the Gare Force, not the Garmy. Stop calling it that. It's getting weird. Another guy has that. It's Gare Force. Please help me. Love you mean it. Gareth Reynolds dot com.