682 - Pete Rose - part one - The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

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Podcast Summary: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Episode 682 - Pete Rose (Part One)
Release Date: May 6, 2025

The Dollop, hosted by comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds, delves into the intriguing and tumultuous history of one of baseball's most iconic yet controversial figures: Pete Rose. This two-part episode meticulously examines Rose's rise to fame, his relentless work ethic, personal struggles, and the beginnings of his eventual fall from grace. Below is a detailed summary capturing the essence of their discussion, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for context.

1. Introduction and Setting the Stage

The episode opens with the hosts discussing the upcoming tour dates for The Dollop, setting a lively and engaging tone. Dave Anthony introduces the premise of the show, emphasizing their focus on American history with a comedic twist.

Notable Quote:
[00:00] Dave Anthony: "This is an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a giant."

2. Pete Rose's Early Life and Family Background

The conversation shifts to Pete Rose's origins, highlighting his birth on May 14, 1941, in the west side of Cincinnati, Ohio. Rose was born to Laverne and Harry Francis Rose, with his father affectionately known as "Big Pete" and Pete himself referred to as "Little Pete" due to his smaller stature in a working-class, German immigrant community.

Notable Quote:
[05:28] Gareth Reynolds: "You ever given a girl a hairy rose?"

3. Developing a Relentless Work Ethic

Pete Rose's upbringing was marked by a stringent work ethic instilled by his father. From a young age, Rose took on jobs collecting fares at a local ferry and spent his earnings gambling with peers. This early exposure to hustling laid the foundation for his future athletic endeavors.

Notable Quote:
[05:25] Dave Anthony: "So, yeah, it's three."

4. Multi-Sport Athlete and Early Athletic Prowess

Rose's athletic journey began in multi-sport settings, excelling in baseball, basketball, and football. Despite his smaller frame, Rose's exceptional hand-eye coordination and dedication allowed him to outperform larger peers, earning him local fame and eventually catching the attention of professional scouts.

Notable Quote:
[09:07] Gareth Reynolds: "Have you ever watched a man play Dinky Danny? It's a sport."

5. Signing with the Cincinnati Reds and Minor League Struggles

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, Rose signed with the Cincinnati Reds, beginning his career in the lower tiers of minor league baseball. Despite initial setbacks and a meager starting salary, his perseverance saw him steadily climb the ranks, showcasing his talent as a contact hitter—a skill that emphasized consistent batting over power.

Notable Quote:
[09:33] Dave Anthony: "He played basketball in the winter and especially football every autumn."

6. The Arrival of "Charlie Hustle" and Building a Reputation

As Rose advanced to higher levels of baseball, his aggressive play style earned him the nickname "Charlie Hustle." This moniker reflected his tenacious approach on the field, characterized by relentless pursuit and occasional on-field confrontations, which both endeared him to fans and antagonized opponents.

Notable Quote:
[41:45] Dave Anthony: "He just smacks it."

7. Personal Life and Ethical Lapses

Parallel to his rising sports career, Pete Rose's personal life began to unravel. His marriage to Carolyn saw strains due to his infidelities and inappropriate relationships with underage girls, leading to significant personal and familial conflict. These behaviors hinted at deeper personal issues that would later contribute to his controversies.

Notable Quote:
[72:11] Dave Anthony: "She says they started sleeping together in 1974. Having sex with a 16 year old was technically legal in Ohio. But Garrett, she wasn't 16."

8. On-Field Incidents and Aggression

Rose's aggressive nature extended beyond his play style into physical altercations on the field. Instances such as collisions with other players, notably pitcher Ray Fosse, highlighted the intense and often violent confrontations that punctuated his baseball career. These moments not only fueled his reputation but also sowed seeds for future conflicts with sports authorities.

Notable Quote:
[57:14] Dave Anthony: "Gareth. The Dollop is brought to you by Aura frames."

9. Achievements Amidst Controversies

Despite personal and professional setbacks, Rose continued to achieve significant milestones, including multiple All-Star selections, batting titles, and MVP honors. His ability to deliver outstanding performances during critical moments cemented his status as one of baseball's legends, even as his off-field actions began to tarnish his legacy.

Notable Quote:
[46:14] Dave Anthony: "He was in awe of this guy. I mean, this guy was one of my Heroes."

10. The Build-Up to Scandal and Legacy

The episode concludes Part One with Rose's escalating behavior and the early signs of the betting scandals that would ultimately define his career. The hosts hint at the impending downfall, setting the stage for Part Two, where these controversies will be explored in greater depth.

Notable Quote:
[77:27] Gareth Reynolds: "The Protestant ethic running third."

Conclusion

Part One of Episode 682 provides a comprehensive look into Pete Rose's early life, athletic achievements, and the burgeoning personal issues that would later spark one of the most significant scandals in sports history. Through their signature comedic lens, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds offer both humor and critical insight into the complexities of Rose's character and legacy.

Further Reading and References:

Charlie Hustle, the Rise and Fall of Pete Rose and the Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien
Charlie Hustle and the Matter of Pete Rose by Mark Monroe
The Hit King: Pete Rose in Purgatory by Scott Raab
BaseballReference.com

Stay tuned for Part Two, where Dave and Gareth delve deeper into the controversies that led to Pete Rose's banishment from Major League Baseball and the lasting impact of his actions on the sport.

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[00:00]
Dave Anthony
The Dollop is going on tour in June 2025. We will be in Sacramento on June 3rd. We'll be in Boise, Idaho on June 4th, Spokane on June 5th, Seattle on June 6th, Portland on June 7th, Bend, Oregon on June 8th, and San Francisco on June 10th. Go to the dollop podcast.com to get all our tour links for tickets. You're listening to the Dollop on the All Thingy Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a giant.
[00:47]
Gareth Reynolds
Boob, Gareth Reynolds, who won't push back and who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. You're not gonna push back? No. I will say, Dave, we've been talking about this. We're doing three. This is a three parter. I don't know what it is.
[01:08]
Dave Anthony
You can't see.
[01:09]
Gareth Reynolds
No, I can't even if I could see, but I'm excited. I think it said Pinocchio.
[01:14]
Dave Anthony
It's Pinocchio.
[01:15]
Gareth Reynolds
It's exciting.
[01:17]
Dave Anthony
It's a Pinocchio.
[01:19]
Gareth Reynolds
You like doing the three. Do you like doing a three parter?
[01:22]
Dave Anthony
He was born in the year. Did you know? Did.
[01:27]
Gareth Reynolds
Did you know this was gonna be three parts when you started? Or is this one of those ones where you just really.
[01:32]
Dave Anthony
I did not do the research. I sent this to a new researcher, Luke Simmons, Josh Androski, who has done a couple. He's done some stuff. I sent this one to him.
[01:48]
Gareth Reynolds
That's exciting.
[01:49]
Dave Anthony
And I knew it would be long. I thought it'd be two. And he said it's pretty long. So, yeah, it's three.
[01:57]
Gareth Reynolds
That's exciting. Yeah, that's exciting. And if people want to know who Josh is, just Google Rabbi Price is right. Mushrooms.
[02:07]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, that's right.
[02:09]
Gareth Reynolds
And.
[02:12]
Dave Anthony
He comes up there.
[02:13]
Gareth Reynolds
I remember when one time we were. All the three of us were out somewhere. We were at the Bigfoot Lodge years ago.
[02:21]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[02:21]
Gareth Reynolds
And you guys were talking about you so negatively about Obama. And I was like, the hell are these guys talking about? What are they talking about?
[02:32]
Dave Anthony
I was like, we saw things coming.
[02:35]
Gareth Reynolds
I was genuinely like, jesus, guys, look, I got notes. But come on.
[02:40]
Dave Anthony
Do you know who the right wings Obama is? Ooh, it's Donald Trump, baby.
[02:46]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[02:48]
Dave Anthony
April 14, 1941, the year of our Lord. J Town.
[02:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Did he put that in there also?
[02:55]
Dave Anthony
J. Lo and the JJ Music Factory is what he put in. I don't think that's true, though. I don't think.
[03:02]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, again, I'm not the history guy.
[03:06]
Dave Anthony
Peter Edward Rose was born on One of the greats.
[03:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
[03:14]
Dave Anthony
I didn't know until he sent me. I mean, I knew some stuff, but I didn't know until he sent me this.
[03:20]
Gareth Reynolds
It's nice that he just passed too. Boy, what a. What a tribute.
[03:25]
Dave Anthony
He was born on the west side of Cincinnati, Ohio, to Laverne and Harry Francis Rose. But everybody called.
[03:32]
Gareth Reynolds
You ever given a girl a hairy rose?
[03:35]
Dave Anthony
Is that the kind of podcast this is going to be? Well, define it. Break it down for people. What's the hairy rose you give to a young lady?
[03:46]
Gareth Reynolds
It's with a euphemism for getting a blowjob with a cock ring. Thorny.
[03:54]
Dave Anthony
Why they. Why the hairy.
[03:57]
Gareth Reynolds
Come on, we all get. What are you shaving?
[03:59]
Dave Anthony
Oh, yeah. I'm like a baby.
[04:02]
Gareth Reynolds
I'm going extra bush.
[04:03]
Dave Anthony
Is there anything creepier than a fully shaved 50 year old man?
[04:09]
Gareth Reynolds
Now, is this. This kind of podcast? What are you. What's your style? Hey, ladies, what is your style?
[04:15]
Dave Anthony
I mostly do letters.
[04:19]
Gareth Reynolds
I got a mohawk.
[04:20]
Dave Anthony
I usually have a political slogan.
[04:22]
Gareth Reynolds
You know what I like to do? I shave it all off and then I put rubber cement on my penis and then I roll it around in that. Yeah, it's called the Harry Rose.
[04:30]
Dave Anthony
You finally figured it out. So everybody called Harry Big Pete.
[04:37]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[04:38]
Dave Anthony
And since father was Big Pete, the son came to be known as Little Pete.
[04:42]
Gareth Reynolds
It's tough. That's. By the way, that's an important seed.
[04:47]
Dave Anthony
That was appropriate though, because he was about two sizes smaller than the rest of the kids that he grew up with.
[04:52]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[04:53]
Dave Anthony
So the west side of Cincinnati, very proud working class German immigrants type place. They worked with their hands, you know, they're hands on folks. Is permanently run down. Just dilapidated. Just like hanging together, cinder blocks and mortar. Right. It's not great.
[05:10]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[05:12]
Dave Anthony
Which is all gone in our country now.
[05:15]
Gareth Reynolds
What?
[05:15]
Dave Anthony
Oh, that sort of thing.
[05:17]
Gareth Reynolds
The sort of level.
[05:18]
Dave Anthony
Dilapidated.
[05:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[05:19]
Dave Anthony
Everything's very shiny and pretty.
[05:21]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, we're, you know, we're the shining city on a hill.
[05:24]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, we should. We should rename the country the Jetsons Land.
[05:29]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, no, we're. We're definitely. I don't know if you've seen some of the stuff that China and Japan are doing.
[05:35]
Dave Anthony
Hey, can I just stop you right there and point out that I just brought up a Cartoon reference from 50 years ago?
[05:41]
Gareth Reynolds
It's come back, it's being rebooted.
[05:45]
Dave Anthony
The Rose family embodied all of this. Little Pete had a relatively normal family. The only thing you could say it wasn't classically American working class was his grandfather's Pet monkey.
[05:59]
Gareth Reynolds
You know, we've been doing this for a while. It's, it's. I can't. Look, I understand ethically, it's problematic, and I'm sure this monkey was treated horribly. It probably had to wear some sort of fez or something like that.
[06:11]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[06:11]
Gareth Reynolds
I can't help what the. The science of what my body goes through when I hear pet monkey, it's excited.
[06:18]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[06:18]
Gareth Reynolds
I'm happy.
[06:19]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[06:20]
Gareth Reynolds
I'm.
[06:20]
Dave Anthony
Do you want a pet monkey?
[06:21]
Gareth Reynolds
So bad that it's crazy?
[06:23]
Dave Anthony
I can imagine.
[06:23]
Gareth Reynolds
So bad that it's crazy.
[06:24]
Dave Anthony
I can imagine. You have a pet monkey. Is it illegal to have a pet monkey?
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Gareth Reynolds
I, I, well, I, I don't. I think there's ways around it. I mean, if you go to Instagram. If you go to Instagram, there's a lot of pet monkeys.
[06:34]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, but you basically said you want to break the law.
[06:36]
Gareth Reynolds
No, I'm not breaking the law. And more than anything, it's. Ethically, I don't want to house a monkey. But I will say if, buddy, if I. Sometimes you see these videos of people say, I saw this monkey get. This monkey was covered in crabs. We've all been there. That's called the Harry Rose. This monkey was covered in crabs.
[06:53]
Dave Anthony
This is a great story.
[06:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Tiny monkey, little, little, little sea crabs.
[06:58]
Dave Anthony
Or.
[07:01]
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, real like, like crabs you'd want to eat.
[07:03]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, yeah.
[07:05]
Gareth Reynolds
And, and by the way, that's how I define. There's crabs you don't want, and then there's ones you want to eat, but he's covered in crabs. For some reason. Crabs are just all over this monkey. This guy gets the crabs off this monkey, the monkey's in mud, he takes him back to his place, he nurses the monkey, and then the monkey's tiny and he's wearing like, onesies and, and like, stuff like that. And like, if I ever go out and I find a monkey covered in crabs just like, in need.
[07:30]
Dave Anthony
Well, that point. You saved him. Yeah.
[07:32]
Gareth Reynolds
It's not going. That's what I need. I need to set up a situation where I just buy a monkey, pretend to find it on a hike, and then I'm like, scot free.
[07:40]
Dave Anthony
Like, I.
[07:41]
Gareth Reynolds
He was covered in crabs, just like Daddy.
[07:44]
Dave Anthony
I found him down by Sears in the parking lot.
[07:47]
Gareth Reynolds
He was in a pet store covered in crab.
[07:50]
Dave Anthony
He was in an abandoned Sears.
[07:55]
Gareth Reynolds
So I go to malls a lot and jog through them and boy, oh boy, I went to Animals Unlimited that have been shut down, but I find one of the. They must have left a monkey in there. He's covered in crabs.
[08:07]
Dave Anthony
Okay, this is about the monkey quote. I don't remember how we got rid of it or if it died. None of us killed it. You couldn't get close enough or it'd bite you.
[08:16]
Gareth Reynolds
See, this is the downside.
[08:17]
Dave Anthony
So it's not a happy monkey.
[08:18]
Gareth Reynolds
It's not a happy monkey. But why would it be a happy monkey when the. In your description of the monkey's life, you say we didn't kill it, but we also don't know what happened to it.
[08:26]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, yeah. Well, you. Yeah, they killed it.
[08:30]
Gareth Reynolds
They probably had like a chimp.
[08:33]
Dave Anthony
No, it's too big. I bet it was a little spider monkey type again.
[08:38]
Gareth Reynolds
I'm loving it.
[08:39]
Dave Anthony
Pete. Big Pete was a multi sport, semi pro athlete who had quote fists the size of coffee canisters and a face like a chiseled rock.
[08:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
[08:51]
Dave Anthony
Like me.
[08:52]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure. Yep. He definitely got rockhead.
[08:55]
Dave Anthony
He played. He'd play baseball in the spring and summer and he batted.300, which, if you don't know, if you're like from Australia, you don't enjoy actual sports. It's really good.
[09:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Have you ever watched a man play Dinky Danny? It's a sport. You Yankees, you're always claiming you got. You gotta go watch a guy with bunch load of us went down there the other day, drink a tan and we watched a dinky DY match. That's a sport.
[09:25]
Dave Anthony
People are so mad at your accent right now.
[09:27]
Gareth Reynolds
As they should be.
[09:27]
Dave Anthony
I need a couple things. It's good. Good enough for me.
[09:31]
Gareth Reynolds
Thank you. Yeah. It's America. All I'm going for is America. Pass.
[09:33]
Dave Anthony
Right.
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Gareth Reynolds
I just want the greatest nation on earth to like it.
[09:35]
Dave Anthony
That's right. He played basketball in the winter and especially football every autumn. And Big Pete dominated a league of factory workers while scouts from the Bears, Browns and Packers looked on.
[09:46]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow. Some legit teams.
[09:49]
Dave Anthony
Big Pete would. Two of them are. Big Pete would often make little side bets with other players on who would do the best. And he would always bet on himself to win. Okay, this. So he was so good that the local news shadowing. He was so good that the local news created an entire football obstacle course for him inside their studio. Wow. The grand finale of the obstacle course, the eliminator spear tackling a desk chair made of wood and metal.
[10:21]
Gareth Reynolds
Spear tackling it.
[10:23]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
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Dave Anthony
Since this would obviously harm any man, the network draped a big blanket on the chair and asked Big Pete if he was ready. He was. Except one thing. Quote, take the blanket off. You think I'm A sissy.
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Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well, bravado. Yeah, it's again, we're seeing seeds, we're germinating.
[10:42]
Dave Anthony
He hit the chair so hard one of the arms flew off and the rest smashed into pieces on the floor of him.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay, so the chair arm fell off. So can we just admit that news used to kick ass? Local news used to just be fucking awesome. It really. Now it's. It's dog shit now. Yeah, it's fucking terrible, man. Like imagine, imagine a local news producer being like, then we're going to bring in this guy who's really good at football and he's going to attack a chair.
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Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[11:10]
Gareth Reynolds
I be like, let's go.
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Dave Anthony
So little Pete idolized big Pete. Modeling every, did everything he does after his old man, including his notorious work ethic.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
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Dave Anthony
And as a young boy, Pete got his first job collecting fairs down the street at the Flywheel ferry that crossed the Ohio River.
[11:28]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[11:29]
Dave Anthony
Five cents a person, 35 cents for cars. Now little Pete loved the feeling of the metal coins being pressed into his hands. Just loves that money.
[11:40]
Gareth Reynolds
Interesting.
[11:41]
Dave Anthony
And Mr. Copmire, who ran the ferry, would let him take home enough nickels that they jangled in his pockets when he ran to his favorite after work hangout, Schultes Bar.
[11:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
[11:55]
Dave Anthony
A peach is a young boy.
[11:56]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
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Dave Anthony
So he couldn't go in and drink. Instead he would hang outside with the other boys and they'd gamble.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay. Better. Yeah. Well, look, it's. I mean again I. Without revealing, I don't know much, but certainly gambling impressed upon him.
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Dave Anthony
Keeps coming up for some reason. So the game they played was called lagging pennies. And to play, you'd stand a distance away from the exterior wall of Schultes and toss a penny at the wall and the closest penny wins.
[12:23]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Michael Jordan played that in the last dance. And basketball, I think too.
[12:30]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, that was going to say he was.
[12:32]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, I believe he also was a basketball player.
[12:34]
Dave Anthony
Even though the other boys would throw harder and farther than Pete, his eye hand coordination was so good that a flick of his wrist, he could land up against the wall.
[12:42]
Gareth Reynolds
That's all that matters. That's the game you're playing.
[12:45]
Dave Anthony
Now Pete has talent. Little pet has talent. And big Pete is consumed by his. His kids talent.
[12:53]
Gareth Reynolds
That's so similar to you and I, huh?
[12:58]
Dave Anthony
Coaching him, all he could do, eat, sleep, breathe. Coaching the kid. He just wants the kid. So he forces him to bat and throw. Switch. Switch handed. So hitting. So hitting, Hitting switch is when you from both sides, right and left. Now throwing switch is very yes. Odd and doesn't happen. There's a couple guys that can do it, but they're just naturally ambidextrous. Yeah, but you know, is there an advantage to it? No. Well, if you're a pitcher, you can switch depending on the banner.
[13:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Right? Okay, right.
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Dave Anthony
But other than that. No, I mean, that is an advantage.
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Gareth Reynolds
For a pitcher, I guess you could.
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Dave Anthony
Play every position on the field. Right. So there are positions you don't put a left handed, like second and. Yeah, right. They're usually at first base in the outfield. Those are left handers.
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Gareth Reynolds
Right.
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Dave Anthony
So you, I guess you. Yeah, so there. I guess there would be.
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Gareth Reynolds
There's an advantage. I mean, look, we, we rag on this sort of stuff, but again, Tiger wins.
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Dave Anthony
So. But he was just doing this because he thought it might make him good for the little league team. He buys a little boxing gloves with money that was supposed to go to shoes for his daughters. Yeah, well, but sorry, what's going to pay off?
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Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, who needs.
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Dave Anthony
Right.
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Gareth Reynolds
The little girls need shoes more or. You know what I mean?
[14:19]
Dave Anthony
They can.
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Gareth Reynolds
If this hits well, they're going to have you shoe money.
[14:23]
Dave Anthony
You've heard the term barefoot and you know, in the kitchen or whatever. Is that a phrase? It is now.
[14:27]
Gareth Reynolds
No, I was just being supportive, but no one's ever said it as a phrase. And barefoot and what does it mean?
[14:32]
Dave Anthony
Barefoot and pregnant. Is the term barefoot and pregnant. The way I like to say it is barefoot and the kitchen.
[14:37]
Gareth Reynolds
I've never heard barefoot and pregnant either.
[14:39]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, that's.
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Gareth Reynolds
Was that like poor?
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Dave Anthony
Well, the. That's like the woman shouldn't be working and should be in the house. We can't always ready for her feet to be licked.
[14:47]
Gareth Reynolds
We can't.
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Dave Anthony
Now I think I'm pretty sure it's a thing. As a matter of fact, I think one of the popes came up with that. So the first time Little Pete hit a line drive in the yard, it went straight through a glass window, shattering it. Big Pete dismisses the idea of fixing it. The broken window is proof of Pete's first hit. And when he becomes a big league star, it would be a piece of history.
[15:13]
Gareth Reynolds
Now this is where the, the, the girls not wearing shoes comes. If you're letting him break windows and you don't aren't buying shoes for your children, that's where it starts to become a little bit more dangerous.
[15:25]
Dave Anthony
You'll figure it out.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
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Dave Anthony
Big Pete's mantra was hustle.
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Gareth Reynolds
Okay?
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Dave Anthony
Every aspect of being an athlete could be made better if they hustled Little Pete didn't have the money for good equipment or coaching. He didn't have the size. He didn't. He really even had the talent. But if his father had his way, hustling would become Little Pete's superpower, and Big Pete never let him forget it. And in middle school, the other boys kind of loomed over Little Pete like giants. He's not a big kid. Sure. And he became Peewee Pete or Puny Pete.
[16:03]
Gareth Reynolds
It's tough.
[16:04]
Dave Anthony
This is not good.
[16:05]
Gareth Reynolds
Kiwi Pete is tough.
[16:06]
Dave Anthony
I can tell you from watching all of Finn's friends grow up together, the ones who are still small. It's not great.
[16:15]
Gareth Reynolds
If we can. Hang in there.
[16:17]
Dave Anthony
Hang in there.
[16:18]
Gareth Reynolds
Hang in there. Okay?
[16:19]
Dave Anthony
Hang in there. Eventually, women like really short men.
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Gareth Reynolds
Listen. No, no, no. Develop your personality. You are gonna. Absolutely. You're gonna go on your dating profile, and there's gonna be a lot of women who say, under six feet, no, thanks. And you're gonna think, what the fuck? And it's gonna hurt you. And just remember, that's how. What it's been like to be a woman forever.
[16:45]
Dave Anthony
So it's no longer really a cute family nickname.
[16:47]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
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Dave Anthony
It's like an albatross around the kid. Sure, Little Pete still made the teams, but he would sit on the bench while the other kids played.
[16:55]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well, they need that guy.
[16:56]
Dave Anthony
Finn played a game yesterday, and it's one of the top programs. They played against one of the top programs in the country and beat him. But there's a kid batting fifth, and he was the shape of a meatball.
[17:09]
Gareth Reynolds
What kind of meatball?
[17:10]
Dave Anthony
A spicy meatball.
[17:13]
Gareth Reynolds
Damn it.
[17:15]
Dave Anthony
He. He is. He's round. He's a little round guy. He's not tall. He's very short. He's very short. He looks like he's under five feet and he's round. And I'm like, is he round? He's round. And I look and I look. I look at the other parents, and I go, the only way a kid that shape makes it onto a high school team, especially a high school team of this caliber, is if he's really fucking good. Because you have to work against the stereotypes where they just look at you and go, you can't play.
[17:45]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[17:46]
Dave Anthony
Immediately they think. And sure enough, he. He's the best hitter.
[17:49]
Gareth Reynolds
He is.
[17:49]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. On the team. Yeah. He just smacks it. But, like, so Pete, he. When you're small, they're just like, no.
[17:57]
Gareth Reynolds
Do we call him people?
[18:00]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[18:00]
Gareth Reynolds
Spicy Peter.
[18:01]
Dave Anthony
Spicy people. So he's a tiny guy. He. He really loves baseball. But. And he loved. But this is something he loved more. When Big Pete took his kids to the racetrack.
[18:18]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, fuck. He didn't stay the shot.
[18:20]
Dave Anthony
That was the day. The happiest moments a little Pete's childhood, standing at the rail, watching the horses, screaming for Daddy's horse to win, jumping up and down, just.
[18:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, the euphoria of when he wins, I'm sure, was only cut by the absolute pain and disappointment when he lost.
[18:36]
Dave Anthony
Huh?
[18:37]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[18:38]
Dave Anthony
In high school.
[18:39]
Gareth Reynolds
He's hugging you a lot when he wins. You probably were like, ah, my dad's happy today.
[18:43]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, that's right.
[18:44]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[18:44]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. In high school, football became. Sorry, my son needs. A son needs a dollar 35 cents. Why is he. Why don't you just ask?
[18:57]
Gareth Reynolds
Does he not have a $35?
[18:59]
Dave Anthony
He does, but I don't understand what's happening. Like, he's got money.
[19:02]
Gareth Reynolds
What is he.
[19:03]
Dave Anthony
Oh, he's requesting 20 now.
[19:04]
Gareth Reynolds
There you go. That's how they get you better.
[19:07]
Dave Anthony
I mean, you got to go in for the big money. I know he has. I got him. I gave him, like, a credit card, and it's full. I like. I load it up. Right.
[19:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[19:15]
Dave Anthony
But it's got, like, 200 on it. But he's just like, yeah, I left it at home. Yeah. So I got to. I got to do this during a podcast.
[19:21]
Gareth Reynolds
You need me to come in and teach this boy a lesson because he's having his way with you now. I'll admit, when I see him now, I'm a little more intimidated. He's a man, but he needs. He needs Uncle Gary to come around and start showing him a thing or two.
[19:33]
Dave Anthony
He's probably been bigger than you.
[19:34]
Gareth Reynolds
It doesn't matter. What. I've got problems.
[19:37]
Dave Anthony
He's probably got.
[19:38]
Gareth Reynolds
I've got what a kid can't learn. Problems. Yeah, I have problems. Mental, physical. There's problems. I'm gonna let him feel what it's like to be around me. He'll fall in line.
[19:48]
Dave Anthony
Let's just not. Let's just stay away from my kid.
[19:50]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well, see, you're gonna be a problem, and I will deal with you how I need to. I'm gonna raise your boy the way I think he should be raised. And by the way, there's not even a contract on the table. You've already signed it. This plan is in motion.
[20:03]
Dave Anthony
You can barely raise a cat, which.
[20:04]
Gareth Reynolds
You'Ve created an abusive cat, by the way. First of all, fuck you. Second of all, now, that's it. I'm taking. That's this Whole thing just got a lot more personal and weird.
[20:18]
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[20:25]
Gareth Reynolds
I settled for Garrett, and then they wrote him the cup. Garnet.
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Yes.
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They forgot about it and they keep telling you, oh, we got your password and you don't know where it is. I mean, that's a problem outside of rock and Bunny, but it is.
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Gareth Reynolds
I even have another one that was recent where I completely forgot to cancel a subscription for some food delivery preparing for the apocalypse. And I forgot. And Rocket Money was like, bro. And I was like, you're right, I'm not a restaurant.
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It's clear. I think people get it.
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Gareth Reynolds
Are you all right?
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I don't think you're. I think you're thinking of a pig. Okay. The Helix, Matrix. Matrix and matrix. And mattress is phen. We both have it. We both have the actual same bed, but we got it after taking the quiz. You take a quiz? It's an easy quiz. I cheated off of Dave, so that's how we ended up getting the same mattress. California ducks. Luxe for life.
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Gareth Reynolds
I think you sleep like an elder is better. Probably.
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Dave Anthony
Okay. I sleep like an elder. Like an old, old, old man.
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A man clinging to life.
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Yeah.
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I'm done.
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Well, what's the point of having all that hair if you're not going to be able to. I'll stop.
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[26:37]
Gareth Reynolds
He's tiny.
[26:37]
Dave Anthony
He's a tiny guy. The only time he played sports was in a baseball league. Outside of school, he wasn't close to the best player on his team. But he hustled. He was the biggest hustler. Sure, he turned singles into doubles, doubles and triples. He broke up double plays by sliding headfirst into second. Did not care about his safety. Did not care about anyone else's safety. Yet all he could think about was playing football with his high school friends. His hustle, however, became contagious. And his baseball team won the city championship.
[27:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[27:09]
Dave Anthony
His teammates loved his hustle. He was elected captain. He got his picture in the paper with other team captains. But the paper comes out on a sad day for Little Pete. And it's the same day that he was cut from the football team. And one thought takes over his mind. Fuck school. He's a little Gareth Reynolds.
[27:36]
Gareth Reynolds
I was gonna say I've been there all day, every day. They were like, what are you thinking about? I was like, how I shouldn't be here and how this whole thing's such bullshit.
[27:46]
Dave Anthony
Dude. My wife loves school and she's just always. I wish I could go to school forever.
[27:51]
Gareth Reynolds
And what. In what way? In, like, high school.
[27:54]
Dave Anthony
No, the whole. Just keep going. Just keep getting degrees and shit. And. And Finn will come in and just be like, oh, God, I fucking hate school. I'm like, right. You're supposed to hate school. I hated school, too. And she's just like, I cannot believe this is my child.
[28:06]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God.
[28:06]
Dave Anthony
I made him, right?
[28:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, that is you. You are supposed to hate it.
[28:10]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[28:11]
Gareth Reynolds
They are setting. They are really, truly. And this is where it's like, look, you got to get old and start thinking about this a lot to really be like, this whole fucking thing, it's all a way to prep you to work in a goddamn factory or an office and fill your head with lies and bullshit.
[28:26]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. It's to get you to be a worker.
[28:29]
Gareth Reynolds
The whole thing is just there, just so that you're just like, man, I just got to take it. Yeah, that's getting up at fucking 6am 6:30.
[28:41]
Dave Anthony
So at this point, Peter's just double school. He's not going to learn anymore. He's not going to try anymore. He's not going to participate.
[28:46]
Gareth Reynolds
Get out of there, Pete. They think springing you down if they.
[28:49]
Dave Anthony
Can'T see how much he tried, how much he hust. Hustled, how hard he hustled. Then them, right? Yeah, them.
[28:53]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[28:54]
Dave Anthony
He completely stopped trying.
[28:56]
Gareth Reynolds
Good.
[28:57]
Dave Anthony
Now his baseball teammates were being approached by Cincinnati Red scouts. Cincinnati Reds being the local professional baseball team. One of the. One of the OGs.
[29:05]
Gareth Reynolds
And now a racial name or.
[29:07]
Dave Anthony
No, no, they just.
[29:09]
Gareth Reynolds
It was just pro Red. So. Red stockings. Yeah, I love red stockings.
[29:13]
Dave Anthony
I know you do. Let's not get into that.
[29:15]
Gareth Reynolds
His baseball team reminds me of the first time I got a thorny rose.
[29:18]
Dave Anthony
Are being approached and his uncle, Pete's uncle is one of the Reds lead scouts.
[29:25]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[29:26]
Dave Anthony
So nepotism. He gets him.
[29:29]
Gareth Reynolds
He's really scouts. Racial. Go ahead.
[29:33]
Dave Anthony
He gets him the lowest offer you can get.
[29:36]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[29:37]
Dave Anthony
But he gets him a contract to play a ball. The lowest. The class D of A ball. So it's the lowest rung in the minor minors of baseball. So there's pro and then there's all these minor leagues and he's at the very bottom.
[29:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[29:52]
Dave Anthony
It no longer exists. That's how bad it is.
[29:53]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow. So they Just the tariffs keep going.
[29:56]
Dave Anthony
I mean, they just need warm bodies in that, like. So that's what he is. Offer him $7,000, which is a tenth of what one of his high school teammates got.
[30:05]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[30:06]
Dave Anthony
His dad tried to negotiate.
[30:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Hilarious.
[30:09]
Dave Anthony
But Pete interrupted and said, quote, I'll take it.
[30:11]
Gareth Reynolds
That's.
[30:12]
Dave Anthony
He's.
[30:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah, I. I mean, yeah, I. I understand both sides. I do. $7,000 a season.
[30:21]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. It's pretty crazy, but it's. I think it's the 50s. Late 50s. Yeah.
[30:27]
Gareth Reynolds
So it's not terrible.
[30:29]
Dave Anthony
I don't think you can live on it still.
[30:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, right. Nobody can live on anything now.
[30:33]
Dave Anthony
It's kind of what it seems to make the same amount.
[30:37]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, right. Yeah.
[30:39]
Dave Anthony
So he reports to training in Geneva, which is in upstate New York. The Geneva Red Legs, they do not have a professional stadium.
[30:49]
Gareth Reynolds
So where are they?
[30:50]
Dave Anthony
It's next to a factory.
[30:52]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, good. You want that smoke.
[30:54]
Dave Anthony
It has very hazardous slopes, dips and holes around first and third.
[30:57]
Gareth Reynolds
That's fine, though.
[30:58]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Because no one can get.
[31:00]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, I mean, that again. I mean, I've always said baseball should have a couple more holes in the field.
[31:06]
Dave Anthony
You know what? That would make it more exciting.
[31:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Just imagine if a. Like an All Star just fell into a hole. Was just gone.
[31:12]
Dave Anthony
Or he.
[31:13]
Gareth Reynolds
No, no, I'm talking about, like, to the center of the earth. Yeah, just like a. Like a slide to Satan. Yeah, just something like that where you just. Your guy's not looking out. And they should be moving and different in every stadium.
[31:24]
Dave Anthony
So you're just watching a game that you're like, oh, Vladimir Grow Jr. Fell into a hole. We don't have.
[31:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Where is he?
[31:31]
Dave Anthony
He's gone.
[31:31]
Gareth Reynolds
And they just go, yeah, he's gone. Yeah, I would watch way more.
[31:37]
Dave Anthony
Do you still have to pay the contract out to his family? It was in the service.
[31:41]
Gareth Reynolds
I think there'd be a clause. There'd be a clause in there that would say, if you follow the hole. Yeah, you're gonna get it. You know, you're gonna get a million dollars, but you're not gonna get the max.
[31:49]
Dave Anthony
You're gonna get the contract.
[31:50]
Gareth Reynolds
No, because, I mean, look, he should know. Yeah.
[31:52]
Dave Anthony
Don't fall in the hole.
[31:52]
Gareth Reynolds
Don't fall in that hole. Yeah, so that's. Excuse me.
[31:55]
Dave Anthony
That's fair.
[31:56]
Gareth Reynolds
I might. I add that you're covering the hole with some dirt so that we actually.
[32:00]
Dave Anthony
Oh, you're doing, like, a trap.
[32:01]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. But it's either team. Either team could fall in the hole. But there is a. What I'd call A whole field advantage, which is when it's the home game.
[32:09]
Dave Anthony
You know where the hole you kind.
[32:10]
Gareth Reynolds
Of know where is a little bit.
[32:11]
Dave Anthony
But if you're some strategy in Oakland, which.
[32:14]
Gareth Reynolds
If you're in Oakland, which is, I believe, plays next to a factory now.
[32:17]
Dave Anthony
Yes.
[32:18]
Gareth Reynolds
Then. Then you are. Yeah. Then there's just kind of the whole. Yeah, I like it.
[32:22]
Dave Anthony
All right. So grass doesn't even grow in left field anymore. There were fights over who showered first because the hot water was very limited. The outfield wall was some kind of metal structure. It was either aluminum or tiny. And players would hurt themselves jumping to get a fly ball. And even worse, some sliced their wrists open when chasing down a double in the gap.
[32:47]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow. Okay.
[32:48]
Dave Anthony
See, so this is.
[32:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[32:50]
Dave Anthony
What baseball should be.
[32:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, we. We did that episode on the guy who kept running.
[32:54]
Dave Anthony
Peter Reisler. Whatever. Pistol. Pistol Pete. Crazy Pete.
[32:59]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[32:59]
Dave Anthony
Old Slippy Pete.
[33:00]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Concrete Pete.
[33:02]
Dave Anthony
The prior. The prior season had ended when the concession stand caught on fire.
[33:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[33:09]
Dave Anthony
But Pete does well.
[33:10]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[33:11]
Dave Anthony
Because his hustle at these lower levels. Hustle will really set you apart. Sure. Like if you're a go getter. So it sets him party. Climbs up, up the reds ladder from 1960 to 1963, Geneva to Tampa to Macon. By mastering contact hitting, becomes a contact.
[33:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Hitter, meaning what he just touched. He hits the ball.
[33:33]
Dave Anthony
He's always gonna hit the ball.
[33:35]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[33:36]
Dave Anthony
You're not really hitting it for power. You're just hitting it and helping get a single or whatever.
[33:41]
Gareth Reynolds
Right. Or moving, driving in RBIs or whatever.
[33:44]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. And contact hitters don't really strike out very much because they're more concerned about home run hitter.
[33:49]
Gareth Reynolds
You're getting a lot of strikeout strikeouts.
[33:50]
Dave Anthony
Because you're trying to hit home run.
[33:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Right.
[33:52]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So he's. He's a contact hitter. They don't really have very many contact hitters anymore because that was boring. Exciting. He had a ridiculous crouch stance. I mean, go ahead and look up Pete Rose stance if you want to Google it, because it's really insane. He would contort his body like a question mark.
[34:09]
Gareth Reynolds
What?
[34:10]
Dave Anthony
He's much shorter than the average MLB player. But now his eyes are chest level at the top of the strike zone.
[34:18]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, wow. He's very low.
[34:19]
Dave Anthony
He's very low.
[34:20]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God, there's one now.
[34:24]
Dave Anthony
You don't see.
[34:24]
Gareth Reynolds
He looks like Quasimodo.
[34:25]
Dave Anthony
You don't see people, like, do that anymore because everyone's being taught to hit the same way. But that was like it used to be. You would figure out how to hit and that would be your thing. But now they all teach him do it the same way.
[34:37]
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, it's comical. That's comical.
[34:39]
Dave Anthony
It's comical. He looks like he's hunched over, like it's. He looks like he has a back problem.
[34:46]
Gareth Reynolds
That is shocking. That is a shocking level. Okay. And I don't even know much, but that doesn't look right.
[34:51]
Dave Anthony
So if you're pitching to him, you have to pitch to a very small area. So it's easier to hit.
[34:55]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, Right.
[34:56]
Dave Anthony
Easy to see the ball, ensure he'd hit the ball down, which he wants. He doesn't want to hit it up for pop flies. So Pete is gaining experience and he's getting stronger. He couldn't live on the seven thousand dollar salary, so he works during the off season at a rail yard, unloading heavy freight.
[35:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[35:15]
Dave Anthony
And by the winter of 1963, he's gained over 35 pounds of muscle.
[35:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Holy.
[35:20]
Dave Anthony
Which is a lot for a little guy.
[35:22]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow. I gotta get down to one of those yards.
[35:25]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[35:25]
Gareth Reynolds
That's what I gotta do in the. What we need is an off season.
[35:28]
Dave Anthony
We do.
[35:29]
Gareth Reynolds
We need an off season.
[35:30]
Dave Anthony
Hit the rail yard.
[35:31]
Gareth Reynolds
We need another three months where you and I just go. And we get. We recharge and we get cut. And I'll go be a longshoreman and you go do whatever little thing you want to do. Huh?
[35:41]
Dave Anthony
I hit the bag?
[35:42]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, you hit the bag. Whatever. I'm gonna go be, you know, be with the bros down by the ocean.
[35:48]
Dave Anthony
It's pretty rapey down there.
[35:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, from what I hear, too. It's. Work's not what it used to be.
[35:53]
Dave Anthony
No.
[35:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Because of the tariffs. I'm a big. I'm doing a lot of tariff stuff.
[35:59]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, you should, because it's hot stuff.
[36:02]
Gareth Reynolds
Five years from now. This will help.
[36:05]
Dave Anthony
So the red second baseman at the time is a beloved guy. Everyone on the team loves him, the fans, but he's hitting under.240, which now is totally normal, but back then, really bad.
[36:16]
Gareth Reynolds
Right. Okay.
[36:17]
Dave Anthony
Pete was lighting up the minors, hitting 100 points higher.
[36:22]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[36:23]
Dave Anthony
And Reds manager Fred Hutchinson was also beloved, more by beat writers than his players. But he would stay up drinking all night with the reporters until, like, it was super early in the morning. And then he'd sleep for an hour or two, and then he'd go do a round of golf and then he'd come back to the hotel when everyone was waking up.
[36:43]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow. Okay. An alcoholic with a golf problem.
[36:47]
Dave Anthony
Remember Billy Martin? It's kind of the same. Yeah, but they all did it. They just. It was a drinking thing.
[36:52]
Gareth Reynolds
The golf.
[36:53]
Dave Anthony
Baseball.
[36:53]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, baseball was.
[36:54]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[36:55]
Gareth Reynolds
Why is he golfing?
[36:57]
Dave Anthony
You got to get it in.
[36:58]
Gareth Reynolds
I don't understand.
[36:59]
Dave Anthony
You got to get a round in. What we can do. Just go to sleep.
[37:03]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[37:03]
Dave Anthony
Get around it. It's early.
[37:05]
Gareth Reynolds
Even in my heavy drinking day, sleep was a big thing.
[37:07]
Dave Anthony
Sun's up.
[37:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Go golf.
[37:09]
Dave Anthony
Hit the. Hit the course.
[37:10]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[37:11]
Dave Anthony
The player's nickname for him was Old Stone Face. Because they knew. Because they never knew what he was feeling unless he was screaming, which he did quite a bit.
[37:21]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, what was he feeling when he was screaming?
[37:24]
Dave Anthony
Well, then they knew he was upset. They. Then they knew unless he was screaming, they didn't know what his emotion was.
[37:30]
Gareth Reynolds
All right. Well, obviously, by the way, that's an alcoholic thing. Yeah. I was gonna say today we would recognize that this is troubling. Yeah. I would have gone with. With Quasimodo.
[37:38]
Dave Anthony
Okay.
[37:38]
Gareth Reynolds
Based on the stance.
[37:40]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. We're talking about Pete Rose.
[37:42]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. You know what I call.
[37:43]
Dave Anthony
This is the coach.
[37:44]
Gareth Reynolds
I would call them Rosie Rose. Leosis. That's the coach.
[37:48]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. We're not talking about that joke. I know you wanted to.
[37:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[37:51]
Dave Anthony
You feel weird now.
[37:54]
Gareth Reynolds
There's a lot going on.
[37:56]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. The writers joke that Hutch didn't throw tantrums, he threw rooms. Because after losses, you see stools, tables, the entire team post came, meal spread go flying.
[38:08]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, that would be infuriating.
[38:09]
Dave Anthony
He once went into the turn. He once went to the tunnel outside the dugout and methodically smashed every single light. It takes so long, but it's also.
[38:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Just like 40 lights. Dude, we were using that Christmas decorations.
[38:25]
Dave Anthony
Just get flashlights.
[38:26]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[38:26]
Dave Anthony
Yes. Yeah, he's that guy. Okay. So Hutch knows he has to do something about this second baseman, but there's also a hierarchy. So there's at least two guys in the order above Pete, and those guys are not very good. They're bumps.
[38:42]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[38:43]
Dave Anthony
Quote, if I had any guts, I'd put Pete Rose on second base and forget about it.
[38:48]
Gareth Reynolds
You paid to have guts, right? Yeah.
[38:51]
Dave Anthony
I think it was different back then. I think you gave.
[38:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Respect the process.
[38:55]
Dave Anthony
Give everybody a shot. It's like if you're. It's like if you're, like, say you're running something called Congress, and there's a.
[39:01]
Gareth Reynolds
Jerry Connolly, for instance, a woman who's popular.
[39:06]
Dave Anthony
Popular, you could put her in this spot.
[39:08]
Gareth Reynolds
But then you got a guy who's.
[39:10]
Dave Anthony
Dying, who's got throat cancer.
[39:12]
Gareth Reynolds
He's been waiting for a while, and he's dying, and he doesn't know how to set up a webcam.
[39:15]
Dave Anthony
And it's maybe the most important.
[39:17]
Gareth Reynolds
It's a huge. It's an important time, and it's an important role.
[39:20]
Dave Anthony
It's the oversight committee of the Finance.
[39:22]
Gareth Reynolds
It would be very, very, very helpful to have someone with. With power, guts, who goes viral all the time to be in that role.
[39:28]
Dave Anthony
To take on Trump.
[39:29]
Gareth Reynolds
Absolutely. Trump. I mean, anyway. But instead you decide you're gonna put Pop Pop, who's can't talk anymore and has no throat to speak up. And even when they go to him to ask him about it, he seems like it shouldn't be happening. But. But you still are. Like, you should do this. Yeah, you should do this because you're old, weird, and definitely not gonna make it. And then that guy drops out because he can't make it because everyone was right that his health is so diminished that he can't possibly do the job. And then you just. What are you going to do?
[40:02]
Dave Anthony
Any. Who. So these two guys are in front of him. And he does invite Pete to spring training in 1963 so he can try to make the team.
[40:11]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[40:11]
Dave Anthony
Right. And when he's there, Pete falls in love with pulling a double header every day.
[40:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Thought a woman's name was going to be said. Okay.
[40:21]
Dave Anthony
That's what the players called hitting the last horse race at Florida Downs, then going across the bay to St. Petersburg for the Derby Lane dog track.
[40:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, wow.
[40:32]
Dave Anthony
Pete, however, invented the triple header.
[40:35]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[40:36]
Dave Anthony
Attacking a late night high Ally.
[40:41]
Gareth Reynolds
Trip highlight.
[40:43]
Dave Anthony
High lie.
[40:44]
Gareth Reynolds
The game.
[40:45]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Highlights in Florida. And I want to say Connecticut. We did an episode on it.
[40:52]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay. I don't know.
[40:53]
Dave Anthony
I think we did. We did an episode.
[40:55]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[40:55]
Dave Anthony
I remember talking about it or was in an episode.
[40:58]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Right. I kind of remember that. Yeah.
[41:00]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So highlight, which occasionally still comes on, which is what is now called the Ocho. ESPN's the Ocho, which shows the crazy sports. And every once in a while I look up and I'm like, oh, highlight's on. And it's the dumbest sport you've ever watched.
[41:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[41:16]
Dave Anthony
Like who. Who made racquetball worse? So, yeah. So he. You can bet on highlight, though. That's one of the reasons they pushed it so much. So he would go, so three. So it's good.
[41:30]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah. Because he's. Yeah. He's focused in the right zone.
[41:33]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. He also did very well on the diamond. He solidified himself on the roster, though his new teammates were not really on the same. They don't. They don't care for it.
[41:45]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[41:46]
Dave Anthony
The veterans really hated Pete because he jumped the line. He jumped over those two guys.
[41:50]
Gareth Reynolds
I really can't understand that. That seems very strange. They're just like, if your business is to put together the best team, at some point, someone better than everyone else will come along.
[41:59]
Dave Anthony
But they think you give. You give that guy a shot. He got him next, so he gets a shot. You don't have to beat the other guy out. It's. Look, a lot of what this country is founded on is white. White guy nepotism. Like, you just put Frank in there. Well, it's Frank's turn.
[42:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[42:15]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[42:15]
Gareth Reynolds
I can't stop thinking about Jerry Connolly, to be quite honest with you, and just continuing to re. Rage over that one.
[42:23]
Dave Anthony
So the only players who treated Pete like a person were kind of the right name, Veda Pinson and Frank Robinson, who are both black guys.
[42:33]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[42:34]
Dave Anthony
Because they. They have to.
[42:36]
Gareth Reynolds
They're like, kick the door in to white people suck.
[42:38]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[42:39]
Gareth Reynolds
He was like, well, I don't know.
[42:40]
Dave Anthony
Pete doesn't care they're black guys. He would invite them to his hotel room because they couldn't stay in the team hotel. He ate with them. And when he learned this pissed off the snobby white vet players, he would just egg it on even more. Like one time, performatively kneeling before Frank Robinson and tying his cleats.
[43:01]
Gareth Reynolds
I love that. That is shocking. But, oh, at the time, I mean.
[43:06]
Dave Anthony
Just smoke coming out the ears. White smoke.
[43:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. That's why you just kiss him.
[43:15]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Oh, yeah, kiss him.
[43:16]
Gareth Reynolds
Just watch. Watch like men explode. Literally, a room full of guys just explode.
[43:21]
Dave Anthony
Just tongue kiss. Frank. Rob. So Pete finds that he loves pissing people off, especially for justice, or at least righteousness. And one spring training game against the Yankees, Pete bunted and tore ass to beat out the throw. Okay, that was not normal in spring training. You didn't hustle and go all out.
[43:44]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[43:45]
Dave Anthony
You're there to get ready for the season. Not you do that season. Yeah. Once one gates, he just didn't do it, Especially not on a bunt. He just didn't do that. So baseball icons Mickey Mandel and Whitey Ford laughed at him and said sarcastically, quote, wow, look at Charlie Hustle over there. Pete loved it, like, being called Charlie Hustle. Oh, he loved it. And then now he's pushing the nickname. He loves the attention, and he decided it's a compliment and he wears it as badge of honor.
[44:19]
Gareth Reynolds
I. It is weird to be like, boy, this guy's really going. Going for it. Like, as a Negative.
[44:24]
Dave Anthony
I think that you don't. You don't want to go for it.
[44:27]
Gareth Reynolds
You don't put yourself out there, and.
[44:29]
Dave Anthony
Then if someone else is going for it now, you look bad.
[44:32]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[44:33]
Dave Anthony
So it's more about, like. It's the same thing as the guy gets his turn. It's all this. It's these unwritten rules, which. Unwritten rules exist everywhere. Like doctors, when they do, the residents are supposed to stay up 48 hours straight, even though we know it kills patients. But the new doc, when they were going to change it recently, the older doctor, you cannot change. That is how we do it. It's like it doesn't even make sense. But so there's just these things that they make everybody do that. So that's one of the things.
[45:03]
Gareth Reynolds
It also is a super white thing.
[45:04]
Dave Anthony
It is a very white thing. So he loves a nickname, and for the rest of his life, it would stay with him. And he said, quote, the Mick gave it to me. Just Mick, the Mick, Mickey Mantle.
[45:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[45:20]
Dave Anthony
Despite sending. Spending all of his time gambling and going everywhere with a man known only as the Cuban.
[45:28]
Gareth Reynolds
That's kind of fear and loathing the Cuban. Okay.
[45:34]
Dave Anthony
Pete was. He's doing well, and he landed a big league roster spot.
[45:39]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[45:40]
Dave Anthony
Start his career 0 and 13. So that's probably four games.
[45:45]
Gareth Reynolds
I wonder if he was like, I need to shrink my stance more like. Pete, what are you doing? He's like, I'm gonna put my endorphin. I'm gonna put my shoes on my knees. Here you go. Yeah.
[45:55]
Dave Anthony
So he was almost sent back to the Miners, but then after a month, things settled in, and Pete starts paying attention to the pitchers. He has a really good memory. He's got a really good memory. And it was good enough that if he was pitched to in the same location twice, he was going to hit it.
[46:13]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh.
[46:15]
Dave Anthony
And he hustled enough to make an impact, and he ends up being voted National League Rookie of the year.
[46:21]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
[46:21]
Dave Anthony
For 1963.
[46:22]
Gareth Reynolds
Holy shit.
[46:23]
Dave Anthony
22.
[46:23]
Gareth Reynolds
So he's on the map. Wow. 22.
[46:25]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Big time. On the map.
[46:27]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[46:28]
Dave Anthony
Now one day at the track in the luxury boxes, Pete is looking through his binoculars, sees this beautiful woman. Massive hair.
[46:39]
Gareth Reynolds
Hair.
[46:40]
Dave Anthony
Gigantic hair. She's loud, she's brassy. Carol Engelhardt, Boston. Around her friends. He cannot get enough of this.
[46:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, I mean, I'm. I mean, you're always looking for a woman with a huge head of hair.
[46:55]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. That's just shouting at her friend, yelling loud.
[46:59]
Gareth Reynolds
That's what you want.
[46:59]
Dave Anthony
Yelling, big hair. Just in charge.
[47:02]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, yeah.
[47:03]
Dave Anthony
This.
[47:04]
Gareth Reynolds
This woman will binocular out a woman too. Look at her.
[47:08]
Dave Anthony
Terrible to me. But block the.
[47:09]
Gareth Reynolds
She seems like a total nightmare. Hold my binoculars, boys.
[47:14]
Dave Anthony
Within months, they're married.
[47:15]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow.
[47:17]
Dave Anthony
She's Catholic, so she wants a big Catholic wedding.
[47:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[47:21]
Dave Anthony
She's a little embarrassed, however, when Pete kept asking during this, during the ceremony, if it was over yet.
[47:28]
Gareth Reynolds
I gotta go to the track now.
[47:29]
Dave Anthony
If you've ever been to a Catholic wedding. Yeah. That's actually the most asked question.
[47:34]
Gareth Reynolds
Question, Dare I say any wedding.
[47:36]
Dave Anthony
No, no. You really, dude. A Catholic. A real church holy, dude. I mean, get ready for your legs to be sore. Like, it just. Up, down, up, down. It just never ends. It's crazy. Feel like two hours, the ceremony.
[47:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[47:55]
Dave Anthony
Or feel like two hours if they're not. I remember the other, the first time I went to one, I walked out and she was like, what in the just happened?
[48:02]
Gareth Reynolds
The truth is, it's like any wedding you go to, like, like more and more now people are like, quick and no, you're just like, buddy, that is so appreciated.
[48:11]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[48:11]
Gareth Reynolds
Like the fact that we don't need to like spend two hours.
[48:16]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[48:16]
Gareth Reynolds
Sitting there doing all this.
[48:18]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Just get it quick. I love you. Let's go party.
[48:21]
Gareth Reynolds
Party, I say. Bang them right there in the altar.
[48:24]
Dave Anthony
Well, that's very Scottish.
[48:26]
Gareth Reynolds
Absolutely. Yeah. Over there we are. What do you mean? I do. I bloody did. I finished. Look at that.
[48:37]
Dave Anthony
And the reason he kept asking if the ceremony was over yet was because he had double booked himself.
[48:44]
Gareth Reynolds
He's got a gamble.
[48:46]
Dave Anthony
He had scheduled to give a speech at a press banquet.
[48:50]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, wow.
[48:51]
Dave Anthony
So he leaves his own wedding reception in his tux to give a speech to the press. Which goes over very well.
[49:00]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[49:01]
Dave Anthony
But Carolyn pretty quickly realized that she's not really high up on the priority list of Pete Rose.
[49:07]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. Well, leaving your wedding to give a speech to reporters is a red flag.
[49:13]
Dave Anthony
Pete first, then baseball, then her. And even when they have their daughter, Fawn, and their son, Pete Jr. That's always Pete first and then baseball. Sure. So Pete makes the All Star Team 4 to the next six years. He has the most hits. He won the batting title twice. He got to accompany baseball's living legend, Joe DiMaggio, to entertain the troops in Vietnam.
[49:38]
Gareth Reynolds
And boy, could they use it.
[49:41]
Dave Anthony
Why is that?
[49:42]
Gareth Reynolds
Because very quickly they realized that this war made no sense. And they're like, wait, what's going on? You're fighting communism?
[49:54]
Dave Anthony
Quote, I was in awe of this guy. I mean, this guy was one of my Heroes. I couldn't believe I'm riding helicopters with Joe DiMaggio. It's hot. I mean, it's so goddamn hot you can't sleep. And Joe says, I can't sleep, I gotta take a shower. So the way you take a shower, you got this big bamboo thing up here and you gotta get up on a chair and you gotta feed the water down. So I'm up on the thing, feeding the water and he's taking a shower. Best way to describe Joe DiMaggio is he's a penis with a man hanging off of him. I mean, Joe DiMaggio, there's some guys. You don't have to say like, it's, it's Joe, it's Joe dimash. You don't have to like, be like, oh, you had a big.
[50:42]
Gareth Reynolds
See to me. I didn't done. I don't, I don't really. Not to be rude. It doesn't really bother. I don't really care either way about who Joe DiMaggio is, but I also do. Why is that? I picture Marilyn Monroe. That's what I'm saying.
[50:55]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, she. She got the hog is what they said.
[50:57]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, she got the seven year inch.
[50:59]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So she was maybe a huge size queen.
[51:05]
Gareth Reynolds
Maybe.
[51:06]
Dave Anthony
Well, actually the Kennedy's. Nah, there's no way the Kennedy's have big ones.
[51:10]
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, I don't know where this conversation's going.
[51:13]
Dave Anthony
They were talking.
[51:14]
Gareth Reynolds
We're talking about.
[51:15]
Dave Anthony
This is a new podcast, Talking Bees.
[51:17]
Gareth Reynolds
I don't want to talk now because I'm just picturing RFK's roided up dick. His six pack shot, you know, it's.
[51:23]
Dave Anthony
Really lumpy and weird.
[51:25]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And when it, like when he finishes, it's just like.
[51:31]
Dave Anthony
He takes it out and someone's like, did that get dragged?
[51:33]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. And he's like, let me give you a shot.
[51:38]
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[52:21]
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You know what I did in the one I gave my mother? I put a bunch of pictures she'd love and then I just took a picture of a piece of paper where on there I wrote who's better than me? And that cycles in there every 12 photos.
[52:32]
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[53:22]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, Gareth.
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[54:46]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[54:47]
Dave Anthony
All Star game was held in Cincinnati that year. There's a very promising young catcher for the Cleveland Indians named Ray Fosse. And the night before, he and Pete, another player and their wives have drink of Pete's. Then they have dinner and then they go back to Pete's for a nightcap. Problem. This might be competitive to gain an advantage because Ray's on the other team, the American League team. Pete goes to bed early and Caroline has to figure out how to get everyone out and home. Okay, so that sounds for about eight and a half innings. The game is not good.
[55:27]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[55:27]
Dave Anthony
It's. It's a game. So the national. He plays the American League, the best players. And it didn't mean anything. So it didn't often. No one cared. It was just like, oh, I get to watch these guys.
[55:36]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[55:37]
Dave Anthony
Now they try to touch the meaning to it. So. So in the bottom of the ninth with the ale up four to one, the National League finally rallies and ties the game up. To this point, Pete is having a terrible game.
[55:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Pete is National League.
[55:51]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[55:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[55:52]
Dave Anthony
The Nixon's there. There's 50 Nixon's there. Yeah. There's 50 million people watching and he's having a terrible game. It's easily the largest audience he's ever been in front of.
[56:03]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[56:04]
Dave Anthony
In the bottom of 12, he does get a single goal. He gets a second and there's two outs. And if you're on second base and there's two outs.
[56:13]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[56:14]
Dave Anthony
Once someone makes contact, you run like ordinarily you'd wait to see if it's a fly ball. You wait.
[56:19]
Gareth Reynolds
Yep.
[56:20]
Dave Anthony
Two outs, you run no matter what. So. And he's the hustle guy too. So he's going to run. So next batter hits a bloop single.
[56:28]
Gareth Reynolds
A bloop single.
[56:29]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, like. Like a little dinky hard shot. It's right.
[56:32]
Gareth Reynolds
Kind of a lucky falls in.
[56:33]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[56:33]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[56:34]
Dave Anthony
Pete runs around third. The outfielder picks it up. Thrown home. Outfielder's got a good arm. And there's, there's Ray Fosse. He's the catcher, his buddy. And he's blocking the plate, standing in front of the plate. And so Pete can't do his head first. His, his signature sliding.
[56:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Sliding isn't an option because he's going to be tagged.
[56:56]
Dave Anthony
That's another thing you can look up Pete Rose sliding head first.
[56:58]
Gareth Reynolds
Like, I think I know this is where the, his batting helmet drops off or whatever.
[57:02]
Dave Anthony
There's. Yeah, totally. He can't do that because it's too risky.
[57:06]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[57:06]
Dave Anthony
He can break his collar bones going into the catcher. Right. You can do that at second, but the catcher is full of gear.
[57:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, he's not going to run into him. Oh, that's what I thought was coming.
[57:14]
Dave Anthony
Well, no, he. He can't slide feet first either. Cuz he would never get to the plate cuz the guy's blocking it. And Pete said his dad is in the front row and he heard his voice in his head, quote, don't play like a.
[57:27]
Gareth Reynolds
It's cool that. That's the legacy.
[57:29]
Dave Anthony
So he just spears him, spear tackles.
[57:31]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, right, right.
[57:33]
Dave Anthony
Hard. Yeah, really hard.
[57:36]
Gareth Reynolds
Today we would call it giving him a concussion. Like a CTE move.
[57:42]
Dave Anthony
The collision is like. People can't believe what they just saw. They're in the stadium. There are 10 seconds of silence.
[57:51]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, Jesus. Back then, too.
[57:53]
Dave Anthony
Until the crowd realized that Fosse never even had the ball. The ball didn't get to him. He hit him before he had the ball.
[58:01]
Gareth Reynolds
What the fuck?
[58:02]
Dave Anthony
Pete scores and the national league wins again. 8th time in a row. Who cares about Fosse? They fucking won.
[58:11]
Gareth Reynolds
May I watch it quickly?
[58:13]
Dave Anthony
Sure, you can watch it. I'll say this while you're watching it, okay. Fosse doesn't get up.
[58:18]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, God.
[58:19]
Dave Anthony
He wants. He's a tough guy. He once got hit in the ear by a foul ball. A chunk of his ear came flying off. There was blood driven on his neck. And he stays in the. He stayed in the game. So he's tough. He's the tough guy. And Fosse is now clutching his shoulder and rolling around in the dirt.
[58:37]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay?
[58:38]
Dave Anthony
His. All of his AFL American League buddies, including Pete's old friend Frank Robinson, are saying things like, quote, I don't know why he hit him so hard. I don't think it was necessary to be that aggressive in a game that doesn't mean much. And that dirty SOB could have slid around him.
[58:58]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, well, the fact that he doesn't.
[59:00]
Dave Anthony
Have the ball, I mean, that's how you played baseball back then.
[59:03]
Gareth Reynolds
But that's still fucking crazy. Watching that just now. That is. That is absolutely nuts.
[59:08]
Dave Anthony
It is, it is. So there's. There's two kinds of.
[59:11]
Gareth Reynolds
In that play. Normally, if the catcher has the ball, you're basically just trying to knock the ball out. And if the catcher. Catcher lets go of the ball and you touch the base, you're safe.
[59:20]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. You're trying to.
[59:21]
Gareth Reynolds
So the whole point of hitting the catcher is to knock him out. Knock. Knock the ball out. Of his hand.
[59:25]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Knock him so he can't hold on to the ball, which means hitting him really hard, concussed. So that's what baseball was. It's brutal. It's crazy. Even when, you know, I always liked baseball back then, even back then, I just like, what are you doing?
[59:41]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[59:42]
Dave Anthony
And there were guys who loved doing it and there are other guys who are like, no. Yeah, there's a good. There's a guy, Chase Utley, who was on the Dodgers and he was a big guy who did that. And I, I talked to a guy who was on one of his teams and he was like, oh, yeah, we all, we mostly all hated it. I mean, there are a couple guys who liked it, but that's a really.
[60:01]
Gareth Reynolds
Weird skill to have.
[60:03]
Dave Anthony
Well, you're, you. Because you're also, you know, you're playing against a guy who is making his living playing the sport. And you could end that tomorrow. Right? So that's why, you know, it's not great.
[60:14]
Gareth Reynolds
That's why it's awesome to watch.
[60:15]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[60:16]
Gareth Reynolds
That's why you're just like, wow, this guy's life could change.
[60:18]
Dave Anthony
But that didn't. That changed like 10 years ago. They changed it and they call it the Buster Posy rule. Cuz Buster Posey got taken out and he was out for a season. So now you can't, you can't run into people anymore.
[60:31]
Gareth Reynolds
It's just. By the way, look at how the country's gone down the toilets and stuff like that.
[60:36]
Dave Anthony
There's still guys mad about it. There's still Buster Posey. He's like, all right, buddy, well, I'm sorry, we can't ruin careers for you anymore.
[60:45]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, Monday, like, football obviously had a. Has a much different problem because tackling is obviously part of the sport. But if you watch the old Monday Night Football intro, it's crazy.
[60:57]
Dave Anthony
It's all illegal.
[60:58]
Gareth Reynolds
It's everything. Everything's illegal.
[61:00]
Dave Anthony
Everything.
[61:00]
Gareth Reynolds
And then the, like when they're going to the commentators, it's two helmets.
[61:05]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[61:05]
Gareth Reynolds
That just smash in. Like the whole thing was. They were just like, we need to ruin brains.
[61:11]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. These guys are killing each other.
[61:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. And it's awesome.
[61:13]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. It's really nuts. So this was the beginning of the. So Ray Ray Fossey's career was plateau going up and then it went down. He was thought to be the next great catcher in baseball. His shoulder injury was then misdiagnosed by a team doctor.
[61:32]
Gareth Reynolds
He played leg. He's mostly legal.
[61:36]
Dave Anthony
He played with a fractured and separated shoulder, which then healed wrong. So his follow through emotion was ruined forever. And he'd never be as good of.
[61:45]
Gareth Reynolds
A hero doctors back then, like sports doctors.
[61:49]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[61:49]
Gareth Reynolds
This is nice. It looks like a bat wing. That's where we need you. That's it, Ray.
[61:57]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So he could have been one of the great. He's still considered a great in Cleveland, but he could have been like know Johnny Bench great.
[62:04]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure. He could have been like a real city great.
[62:06]
Dave Anthony
Now the opposite side of that is Pete Rose. This is as big coming out on the national stage. It cemented him as Charlie Hustle.
[62:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Get that boy to Vietnam.
[62:16]
Dave Anthony
Kind of the king of playing hard. Not being a Dudes are.
[62:20]
Gareth Reynolds
What are we? It's crazy. Like, you think men are bad now. 70s men. Oh my God. The holes that we were trying to fill in ourselves. That would never be fixed. The. The whole thing of just like, you don't want to be you gay. I'm not gay.
[62:37]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. That's all it was that year. The Reds went to the World Series, but they lost. But this is the very beginning.
[62:46]
Gareth Reynolds
Why didn't Pete just go in the dugout and beat some of them with a bat?
[62:48]
Dave Anthony
That's a good point.
[62:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Charlie hustle them.
[62:50]
Dave Anthony
Not a. Yeah. This power would be the. It's the beginning of one of the great super teams in baseball which would be nicknamed the Big Red Machine. Machine.
[63:00]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[63:01]
Dave Anthony
So in 1972, the Reds made and lost their second World Series. And Pete was in a massive slump. He only hit.214. He had almost as many strikehouses hits.
[63:13]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[63:14]
Dave Anthony
That October in Baltimore, federal agents raided the home of a famous matri d in Little Italy.
[63:21]
Gareth Reynolds
What is that? It'd be great. Like they're like breaking the door down. He's like, and how many are you? I don't know if we can do 15. We'll do. I don't know.
[63:33]
Dave Anthony
They found betting records.
[63:34]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, God.
[63:35]
Dave Anthony
And a notebook with the names of 11 pro umpires.
[63:39]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, man.
[63:41]
Dave Anthony
MLB brass and local officials spiked the story. Just a minor item, they said. And the case was closed before got going.
[63:50]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[63:51]
Dave Anthony
In 1973. Pete is now pissed. He.
[63:55]
Gareth Reynolds
That's a new. Is that just the seed you've tossed?
[63:58]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. Maybe he couldn't do in the playoffs.
[64:02]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[64:02]
Dave Anthony
And now the Reds stink. For the first half of the season. They're falling way behind the Dodgers, who's their main competitor. And Pete one day marches up to Dodger Ron say on the field before a game and snarled quote, the only way you're gonna beat us in September is if our plane goes down. Out.
[64:21]
Gareth Reynolds
Jesus, Pete.
[64:22]
Dave Anthony
So he's fun. He's a fun guy. That's just being fun on the field. He's having a good time with your buddies.
[64:31]
Gareth Reynolds
Hey, Pete, don't say that sort of dude. I'm a little, like, not into flying.
[64:37]
Dave Anthony
Pete and the Reds go on a tear for the rest of the year. And they beat the Dodgers in September.
[64:42]
Gareth Reynolds
And then their plane crash.
[64:43]
Dave Anthony
Pete won his third batting title, his only mvp. He became the fifth position player in MLB history to win with five or fewer home runs.
[64:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Wow. That is crazy.
[64:56]
Dave Anthony
That's how good he is at contact hitting.
[64:58]
Gareth Reynolds
That's crazy.
[64:59]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So getting pissed and making his opponents pissed are part of his game at this point. Like, it's how he plays the game.
[65:07]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[65:08]
Dave Anthony
In the National League Championship Series that year, the Reds played the. The. The Mets, who had only finished three games over.500. So. So they're in two different divisions. So the other. The other division, like, they're not that good. But they won it.
[65:24]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[65:25]
Dave Anthony
But the Reds win game one and the Mets win game two. And then they're up nine to two in game three.
[65:32]
Gareth Reynolds
Reds are.
[65:33]
Dave Anthony
No, the Mets. The Mets are up 92 in game three. And so the Reds have no chance to win that game. Game just doesn't matter. They. They're not going to catch him. And Pete's furious. So he tries to stop a double play by launching himself into second baseman Bud Harelson.
[65:51]
Gareth Reynolds
So he's doing. He's starting to take guys out. Physically taking a guy out.
[65:54]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, sure.
[65:55]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[65:57]
Dave Anthony
He doesn't break up the play. He almost breaks Harelson.
[66:00]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[66:01]
Dave Anthony
Who isn't happy a lot of.
[66:04]
Gareth Reynolds
A lot. Sounds like talk.
[66:07]
Dave Anthony
Well, there's. There's a line. There's. There's breaking up a double play, and then there's a dirty play.
[66:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[66:12]
Dave Anthony
And they. He was like, that's a dirty play. So that's like that fine line when. Then they. Then they start fighting.
[66:18]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[66:19]
Dave Anthony
Bench is clear. It's a. It's a four. Real brawl. Like, you don't really see this anymore in baseball. The last one I remember was between the Cardinals and the Giants, and it was like, I want to say early 90s. And like, guys came out with, like, broken ribs and like, like, like it went on. And you're like, my God, they're killing people down there. Like, it's crazy to watch when it happens. And punches are being thrown. Like crazy. And Harrelson later bragged about stopping Pete Rose's fist with his face.
[66:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, Jesus, dude. Serious. Like, what the. Isn't it? I mean, again, we're. We're dealing with total psychopaths now. But I. I bravado of.
[67:00]
Dave Anthony
I do believe that when people say, you know, there was. This is when there was lead in the gasoline. And I do think that that is like a legitimate thing. Like it was made people out of their minds.
[67:11]
Gareth Reynolds
Right. What's our excuse now?
[67:17]
Dave Anthony
So Pete's not happy. The crowd isn't happy with him. And when he went back to the outfield, play stopped for 10 minutes at Shea Stadium because the crowd was pelting him with everything they had.
[67:28]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[67:30]
Dave Anthony
When an empty bottle of Jack Daniels sailed by his head. Pete picked it up and threw it right back into the crowd.
[67:37]
Gareth Reynolds
Are you sneaking in a bottle of Jack? It's the mess I'm all over the place with. How American. You know what I mean to say? We're talking about everyone being made fun of for being a. And there's like physical abuse happening and all that. And then all of a sudden it's like. But you can also. You're bringing in bottles of Jack Daniels. Empty bottles of Jack Daniels.
[67:56]
Dave Anthony
I mean, well, it. You emptied it.
[67:58]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, absolutely.
[68:00]
Dave Anthony
Of course you're going to throw it if you emptied a bottle of Jack Daniels.
[68:03]
Gareth Reynolds
Logic.
[68:04]
Dave Anthony
Jesus Christ. You can bring in. In containers. So we used to just bring in a cooler. Oh, yeah. And you'd put the liquor in that, right? Oh, yeah.
[68:13]
Gareth Reynolds
I remember. I remember like when I'm serious, I was probably like 17.
[68:16]
Dave Anthony
A canteen is what I'm thinking of like a. Like a.
[68:18]
Gareth Reynolds
But you. You could just bring like. I had like a Sprite bottle and it was full of vodka and it was like. They didn't. Well, they'll never notice that, Right?
[68:24]
Dave Anthony
That's right. And then your faced out of your mind. Yeah.
[68:27]
Gareth Reynolds
I mean, I actually do remember the throw up. I had the first time when I. This is a very Milwaukee Day. But I snuck the vodka into County Stadium, drank most of the vodka, was so drunk I was sick. And then later that night at a bowling alley, I remember the throwing up hot dog chunks coming out of my nostrils.
[68:45]
Dave Anthony
A very Milwaukee Day. That's the song that ends it was very true.
[68:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Throwing up County Stadium hot dogs through your nostrils.
[68:57]
Dave Anthony
That should be like a. Like a little promo, you know, like they do. Yeah, that should be the Milwaukee version.
[69:03]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. By the way, I've already told you the more, you know, campaigns. That's really tough to watch now. And the ending. The more, you know, with a Jenna Bush state. I'm sorry.
[69:13]
Dave Anthony
No, I know. So they had they had met. The Mets had to come out of their dugout to settle the crowd down because it's about to get fucking crazy. The Reds lose, as they were always going to lose. But. But it lit up Pete. Now Pete is fired up.
[69:32]
Gareth Reynolds
Up because he's an enemy.
[69:33]
Dave Anthony
Well, yeah, he gets going on it. Right.
[69:36]
Gareth Reynolds
He's a villain.
[69:37]
Dave Anthony
After the game, he said, quote, I'm no damn girl out there. I'm supposed to give the fans their money's worth and try to bust up double plays and short stops. So he's just a dick.
[69:46]
Gareth Reynolds
That is. That is. There's a lot going on.
[69:48]
Dave Anthony
There's a lot going on.
[69:49]
Gareth Reynolds
There's a lot of society times and then there's a lot of personal Pete issues.
[69:53]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. So game four is tense. It goes into extra innings. Pete comes to bat that he knew the pitcher and he knew what to expect. And he made the mistake of throwing the same pitch twice.
[70:05]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[70:06]
Dave Anthony
Even though he'd only hit five home runs all year, he crushed it and won the game. He hit.381 for the series. Didn't matter. The Mets still won the last two games. And said the Reds. Packing. Wow. So by 1974, Pete had begun running around on Carolyn, who was raising their two young kids.
[70:24]
Gareth Reynolds
Her hair was probably less big.
[70:26]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[70:27]
Gareth Reynolds
Which is just. That's a turn off.
[70:28]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. You gotta have. Keep the hair.
[70:30]
Gareth Reynolds
If I meet you and you've got the enormous hair.
[70:32]
Dave Anthony
Keep it poofing.
[70:33]
Gareth Reynolds
Sorry. Keep it poofing. Carrot top.
[70:37]
Dave Anthony
And she's home taking care of the kids. It's the classic thing. A friend said Pete had a girl in every town. And when I say girl, Gareth, I mean girl. As early as 1973, Pete was calling a 14 or 15 year old girl regularly. She says they started sleeping together in 1974. Having sex with a 16 year old was technically legal in Ohio. But Garrett, she wasn't 16. And he couldn't wait. He couldn't wait. According to the victim, Pete repeatedly committed statutory rape and took her to states where the age of consent was 18. Garrett, that's trafficking.
[71:12]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, my God, that's.
[71:14]
Dave Anthony
Carolyn knew what was going on and she begins distancing herself from Pete.
[71:20]
Gareth Reynolds
I don't understand it. This is not going to be one of these clips that ages horribly when you find out that I text 15 year old women. I don't understand it. I don't understand. What about that?
[71:34]
Dave Anthony
I don't know. I don't get it. Let's get friend of the show Chris Delia on the horn.
[71:38]
Gareth Reynolds
Stop it. Stop it. You see? Cries at the end of his last special.
[71:44]
Dave Anthony
And did he?
[71:45]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, because he feels bad.
[71:48]
Dave Anthony
Are you serious?
[71:49]
Gareth Reynolds
For his dad. His dad went through a lot.
[71:55]
Dave Anthony
What about the girls?
[71:56]
Gareth Reynolds
What about.
[71:58]
Dave Anthony
He convinced a teenager to get a tattoo of him.
[72:02]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay, well. Dude. Oh, really? Dude. Okay, whatever. So what?
[72:11]
Dave Anthony
Those are good points.
[72:12]
Gareth Reynolds
I mean.
[72:13]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, no, it's a good point.
[72:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Nobody's trying to steal their pro.
[72:16]
Dave Anthony
Like.
[72:17]
Gareth Reynolds
That sucks. Sorry that you got the. That. Sorry. But his dad looks older.
[72:26]
Dave Anthony
His dad, the guy who's already like a multi millionaire from.
[72:30]
Gareth Reynolds
We're gonna take a five.
[72:31]
Dave Anthony
We'll take a five.
[72:31]
Gareth Reynolds
Everybody just got a little heated and.
[72:33]
Dave Anthony
And used his power to get that piece of. On every show. And okie dokie. When Caroline. So Carolyn's not mad. She goes on a local daytime talk show in Cincinnati and the lady host is jokingly prodding her.
[72:50]
Gareth Reynolds
Quote I mean, so Pete bangs little girls. What's that like?
[72:54]
Dave Anthony
Quote I mean, he's not the type to be jealous of, is he? Well said Carolyn. Wouldn't you be jealous? And the host tried to guide Carolyn to a nicer friendly answer. Quote I mean, it's not like he runs around. The host said Carolyn hesitates. Well, she wasn't sure what. She's. The host isn't sure what she's supposed to say next. No. Yeah. Well. Nervous laughter breaks out on the set, which saves the moment.
[73:26]
Gareth Reynolds
I don't know if any moment got saved. You're reading it. I don't think a moment got saved.
[73:32]
Dave Anthony
Well, it stopped. How's that?
[73:34]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[73:37]
Dave Anthony
Here's the crazy thing about Pete. Well, there's a lot of crazy things about Pete. But when his. His personal life is falling apart, when things are getting worse, he plays better.
[73:47]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah, I. I do get that.
[73:50]
Dave Anthony
I guess I could see that.
[73:51]
Gareth Reynolds
I get that.
[73:51]
Dave Anthony
I. I wouldn't be like that when I.
[73:53]
Gareth Reynolds
When the stalker was making me go crazy.
[73:56]
Dave Anthony
Yeah.
[73:57]
Gareth Reynolds
It was like to actually have a zone where your brain could kind of leave that alone.
[74:03]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, it.
[74:05]
Gareth Reynolds
It's locked in in a different way.
[74:06]
Dave Anthony
Yeah, I get it. In 1975, he led the league in doubles and runs. He was fifth in MVP voting. In the playoffs, he was even better. They swept the Pirates. Pete hit 357, leading his team in advanced stats and winning the NLCS MVP. They made the World Series for the third time in six years and would play a very good Boston Red Sox team. Red sox win the first game and the second game. Bill Spaceman Lee, our boy had a 2 to 1 lead in the top of the ninth. And he gave up a hit and Boston's manager pulled him. The Reds then scored two runs and won the game. So it goes to game seven.
[74:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay.
[74:50]
Dave Anthony
Again, Bill Space, Ben Lee has the lead.
[74:53]
Gareth Reynolds
I feel like we've covered this outcome before on the show, but I still have no clue what happens.
[74:59]
Dave Anthony
Three to zero in the six. Gareth, you don't even know what happened with 98% of the things on this show. So of course you're not gonna know what happened in the game.
[75:05]
Gareth Reynolds
First of all, don't love your stats. Second of all, don't care for your attitude. Third, thought we were being buddies and here you are stabbing your friend. Fourth, I don't even remember what one was.
[75:17]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. 3, 0 lead in the sixth, Pete's on first. Johnny Bench hit a double play ball to the shortstop who flipped it to the second baseman right as Pete Rose is barreling into him.
[75:31]
Gareth Reynolds
Jesus Christ, Pete, leave him be.
[75:32]
Dave Anthony
Just like he did Bud Harrelson. And Ray Foster, the second baseman leaped over Pete. That you? That was very common back then. You sure to get out of it, you had to jump over people running into you.
[75:46]
Gareth Reynolds
Right?
[75:47]
Dave Anthony
And sailed his throne to the Red Sox dugout. Johnny Bench goes to second. The inning would have been over if not for Pete's try hard dick move.
[75:58]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah. That isn't a Charlie Hustle move. There's someone who's just like my livelihood.
[76:03]
Dave Anthony
I'm going to take this guy out. Yeah. Spaceman's manager tells him not to throw his famous pitch, which is the EFIS curve.
[76:11]
Gareth Reynolds
Yeah.
[76:12]
Dave Anthony
So the EVIS curve is cartoonishly slow. It's ridiculous. It makes hitters look really dumb because you're like, how could he not hit that slowest pitch?
[76:21]
Gareth Reynolds
But they're so prepped for a fast.
[76:23]
Dave Anthony
And they're just not. They're just not used to pitches that slow. Like teams still like. You'll see it a lot. In high school, they'll bring in a guy who throws really slow after a fast guy, right? Because you can't. Can't adjust, right? That him? That's what Spaceman thinks. He's like that.
[76:40]
Gareth Reynolds
It's a classic space man.
[76:42]
Dave Anthony
So he throws the ES pitch. The guy waiting is waiting for it. And he hits a home run.
[76:49]
Gareth Reynolds
Okay?
[76:49]
Dave Anthony
An inning later, Pete hit the game t single and scored the game winning run. And the Big Red Machine finally won their first World Series. Charlie Hustle proved he could do it. The playoffs, he was named the mvp. He the Boston Globe couldn't stand the way he played, sarcastically calling him the Reds, the Reds Badge of Courage and the Protestant ethic rounding third. The Protestant ethic running third.
[77:14]
Gareth Reynolds
Protestant ethic.
[77:15]
Dave Anthony
It's the. The Protestant work ethic.
[77:17]
Gareth Reynolds
Oh, the Protestant work. So. Right, right. So there's great.
[77:22]
Dave Anthony
It's a great.
[77:23]
Gareth Reynolds
So it's a pro Catholic slant.
[77:25]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. And it's a great slant Slam.
[77:27]
Gareth Reynolds
Right. Okay.
[77:28]
Dave Anthony
Because the probably ethic has partially destroyed the world. Like, it's really bad.
[77:33]
Gareth Reynolds
I don't agree.
[77:34]
Dave Anthony
The Reds were the team of destiny that year. The next year winning the World Series again, this time over the Yankees. But they would have never won that World Series if he hadn't had taken out that guy second.
[77:44]
Gareth Reynolds
Right.
[77:45]
Dave Anthony
So he is rewarded.
[77:47]
Gareth Reynolds
Sure.
[77:49]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. And so that's the end of part one.
[77:55]
Gareth Reynolds
Well, yeah, there's more to learn, I guess, but it definitely seems like Charlie Hustle, there's a good amount of abuse in the game and so far a guy that I, I guess I always felt a modicum of sympathy towards Pete Rose and. And that's changed pretty quickly. Pretty quickly.
[78:26]
Dave Anthony
Yeah. This is. Josh Androwski did the research. Charlie Hustle, the Rise and Fall of Pete Rose and the Last Glory Days of Baseball by Keith O'Brien. Charlie Hustle and the Matter of Pete Rose by Mark Monroe. The Hit King, Pete Rose in Purgatory by Scott Raab and baseballreference.com well, there you go. Hang it on. Yo. Hanging on your.
[78:54]
Gareth Reynolds
Hey, dollop fans. I know you love the dollop. You love listening to the dollop. Do you want to watch the dollop? You're like, gareth, what are you talking about? By the way, it's not Gary, it's Gareth. Well, we have partnered with Lakeside Animation and we are starting to animate some of our episodes. So if you want to go watch a five parter animation, which is actually like a 22 minute episode or 30 minute episode, I can't remember, remember, of the rube. You can go to LakeSide Animation on YouTube and watch a really awesome animation of the rube. It. It really genuinely kicks ass and we're very proud of it. And the more you share it, the more you give it to people, the more you follow Lakeside, all that stuff, the better chance we have of making a lot more of them. We're already making a second one, so go there and watch the rubber.