697 - Bo Gritz - Part Two

Summary

The Dollop Episode 697: Bo Gritz – Part Two

Podcast: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Episode: 697 - Bo Gritz - Part Two
Date: August 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

Part two of the multi-episode saga on Bo Gritz finds comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds diving deeper into the career and wild aftermath of “war grifter” Bo Gritz. Picking up in the early 1990s, the episode covers Gritz’s increasing notoriety after failed POW rescue missions, his bizarre evidence for Congress, recurring government entanglements, drift into conspiratorial thinking, and dalliances with America’s far-right. The duo’s trademark irreverence punctuates a tale blending absurdity and real danger at every turn.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bo Gritz's Congressional Moment & “Bone Evidence”

• Gritz presents “evidence”: He brings a bag of bones to the US Embassy in Thailand, purportedly from POW camps.
  • Outcome: The bones are shown by Richard Armitage to be pig bones, not human remains, making a mockery of his claim.
  • [05:55] Gareth Reynolds: “So he's standing in the way of the bone bag. Which is what I call my scrotum.”
• Failed photographic evidence: At a key hearing, when asked for photographic proof, Bo claims he used the wrong setting and the film didn’t turn out.
  • [07:07] Dave Anthony: “He used the wrong setting on the camera, and the pictures hadn't turned out.”

2. Resistance & Sabotage—Government Pushback

• Reagan administration allegedly spies on Gritz: Ted Sampley claims he was approached to spy for the government on Bo—an indication that both government resentment and paranoia around him were real.
• The government is caught between not wanting to appear callous about POWs but also wanting to curb Bo’s outlandish, damaging antics.
  • [10:54] Dave Anthony quoting Col. Earl Hopper: “This was a stab in the back, a perfidious act, in my opinion.”

3. The Grift Grows: Failed Missions & Operation Broken Wing

• Gritz plans another raid, "Operation Broken Wing," this time allegedly to rescue a POW with a broken leg.
  • Claims of rendezvous on the Mekong river, boat chases, and hints of sabotage are met with more farce than fact.
  • [15:22] Dave Anthony: “Boom. A powerboat came out of nowhere and ran over the three dinghies. But the POW survived. But they were now forced to turn zombie... POW. They were forced to turn around and head back to prison.”
• Gritz blames media leaks for rescue failure, not implausibility of narrative.

4. Bizarre Career Turn: Training Mujahedeen, CIA Connections

• Gritz, in Nevada, is training Afghan mujahedeen—the group that would become the Taliban.
  • [17:51] Gareth Reynolds: “He is legit training the mujahideen, who is letting that happen.”
• Ties to Iran-Contra-era operatives abound, including Oliver North, Armitage, and Tom Harvey.

5. The “World’s Greatest Drug Lord” & Unintended Exposés

• Sent to check for enslaved POWs, Gritz barges into the Golden Triangle camp of drug lord Khun Sa.
  • Instead of confrontation, Khun Sa gives on-camera accusations that the CIA (naming names) buys his heroin and launders money through Australian banks.
  • [25:08] Gareth Reynolds: “See, here’s why he’s telling the truth. He’s like, I’m the drug lord. Why would I need POW slaves?”
  • Gritz sends this evidence to the White House but is rebuffed:
    [28:30] Dave Anthony: “Bo, there's no one here who supports that.”
• Irony: His fake mission discovers real CIA/narcotic collusion—met with official silence.

6. Legal Harassment, Dr. Death, and Brushes with Iran-Contra

• Gritz’s cohort, “Dr. Death,” is arrested and railroaded into prison before the Iran-Contra scandal even broke.
  • [35:29] Dave Anthony: “Now this is before the scandal broke, so they're accusing him of doing Iran Contra before Iran Contra was mainstream.”
• US authorities pursue Gritz himself for passport violations, but bring the wrong charges—possibly on purpose, leading to dismissal.
  • [40:08] Dave Anthony: “There's no way they didn't do that on purpose. The US Attorneys are so fucking on top.”

7. Into the Rabbit Hole: Conspiracies & Late-’80s Paranoia

• Humiliated and embattled, Bo dives into conspiracy literature, embracing ancient aliens, creation of AIDS by the government, and MKULTRA Jonestown theories.
  • [41:39] Dave Anthony: "The Gods of Eden is about how ancient aliens created war and religion as population control..."
  • [42:53] Bo’s quote: “I think we’re going to see a literal mark of the beast. I think it’ll be part of the globalist cashless system.”
• Increasingly aligns with Christian identity, moral panics about barcodes, and Mark-of-the-Beast rhetoric.

8. Far-Right Dalliances, Fringe Presidential Runs

• Converts to Mormonism with his much-younger wife as they entrench in fringe survivalist and right-wing circles.
• Runs for VP on the Populist Party ticket—unwittingly signing up with KKK Grand Wizard David Duke before dropping out.
  • [47:04] Bo: “I didn’t know anything about the Ku Klux Klan.”
• Later runs for president himself, campaigns as a populist (with anti-interventionist bona fides) but veers into anti-Semitic tropes, conspiracy circles, and partners with Christian Identity figures.
  • [50:58] Bo’s quote: “If we’d have stayed out of Guatemala... Guatemala would not have lost tens of thousands of people killed by CIA-supported and inspired police action.”
  • Slogan: “Guns, God, and Gritz”

9. Lizard People, Alien Commanders, and Surrealist Campaigning

• Bo’s VP candidate persuades him to meet with “Hatton,” an eight-and-a-half-foot reptilian commander in the mountains.

  • [53:18] Dave Anthony (reading): “...Cy says, now, I just want to verify this. Hatton himself is going to walk in and meet us. And the person said, yes, he'll be here.”

• His campaign devolves further as staffers claim CIA is out to get them; others dismiss it as local gang crime.

10. Christian Identity Extremism

• Gets involved with Pastor Pete Peters and the explicitly anti-Semitic Christian Identity movement.
  • Differences arise over Peters’ call for “death penalty for homosexuals”—Gritz initially resists, but then slides into “first-degree homosexuals” rhetoric.
    • [58:28] Dave Anthony (reading Bo): “There are first-degree homosexuals who probably should be skinned alive. You find them in San Francisco…”
  • Both hosts mock and recoil at the escalation.

11. Setting Up for the Climax: Ruby Ridge

• The episode ends as Gritz is about to become a key figure in the Ruby Ridge standoff—setting up for Part Three.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:26] Gareth Reynolds: “He basically answers the question, what if Steven Seagal was a war grifter?”
• [06:12] Reynolds: “You know what's great about this guy is... he's lazy. Lies.”
• [14:39] Reynolds, on Bo’s POW rescue logic: “You're gonna see them in five minutes. Why don't you just call them to say what’s up?”
• [28:30] Dave Anthony (White House response to drug lord evidence): “Bo, there's no one here who supports that.”
• [47:04] Bo: “I didn’t know anything about the Ku Klux Klan.”
• [54:38] Dave Anthony: “Obviously, it’s not a great campaign.”
• [57:05] Anthony: "He and Bo and all their friends were, in fact, the real chosen people."
• [58:28] Anthony (reading): “…there are first-degree homosexuals who probably should be skinned alive. You find them in San Francisco…”

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Chapter Timestamps

• [02:01] – Picking up with Bo's return from his latest “mission.”
• [03:16] – Congressional subcommittee, “bag of bones” evidence, and pig bone revelation.
• [07:48] – Ted Sampley called to spy on Bo for the Reagan administration.
• [12:29] – The farce of Operation Broken Wing and failed POW rendezvous.
• [17:51] – Bo Gritz training Afghan mujahedeen/Taliban in Nevada.
• [21:10] – Meeting Khun Sa the drug lord and CIA drug collusion revelations.
• [35:29] – Arrest of “Dr. Death” and ties to Iran-Contra.
• [41:07] – Descent into conspiracy theories post-trial.
• [45:19] – Shift to Mormonism, populist party runs, and David Duke “mix-up.”
• [51:02] – Gritz’s contradictory anti-interventionism and campaign slogans.
• [53:18] – Trip to meet “Hatton,” the lizard person commander.
• [56:30] – Connection to Christian Identity and white supremacy.
• [60:45] – Set up for Ruby Ridge and episode close.

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Tone and Style

Throughout, Dave and Gareth use irreverence, sarcasm, and biting parody to underscore the absurdity and danger of Bo’s actions and the government response. They are particularly unrelenting about the grifter aspects of Gritz’s career, the incompetence and complicity of US officials, and the spiraling paranoia that defined the period and Gritz’s mind.

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Final Thoughts

This episode chronicles the mid-career unraveling of Bo Gritz: from celebrity war grifter to conspiracy-peddling fringe icon. While their delivery is comic, the hosts pull no punches in exposing the underlying tragedy: how delusion, credulity, and power can produce not just chaos—but real consequences. The story continues into the notorious events at Ruby Ridge, to be covered in the next episode.

Transcript

[A]

You're listening to the Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast. Each week, I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a grifter, Gareth Reynolds.

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Who knows what the topic is? Who doesn't know what the topic is going to be? You.

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The cat out of the cat.

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That's called birth.

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It is birth.

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Yeah. The cat had a baby.

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You know, cats can have a litter of. Cats can have more than one father. Did you know that?

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No.

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Yeah. A litter of cats can have a different fathers. Those dirty little cats, they get out there and they. That's why they keep howling after they get banged once. They're like, keep it going. They like that. But lady cat is having a night.

[B]

You know what's always made me laugh about cat? They have litters and then they use litter. Now that's pretty interesting.

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I thought we were having a good time with the facts.

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No, no, no. But just think about that for a minute. Now, that must get pretty confusing down at the old cat factory. Hey, how was your litter? It was good. I used it this morning. I pooped in it. You pooped in your litter? Of course. What's it. What else is it there for? Those are your babies. I mean, now, once they come out of me, that's what poop is. Your babies. You pooped on your babies? Yeah. Well, no. Then why just say the letter? Oh, man.

[A]

Anyway, you can watch Gareth's I'm a Cat Stand up tour, which is just cat material. Him as a cat.

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You can go to garethreynolds.com, click tour and there's a cat tab, and just hit that.

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Oh, this is part two of the Bogue rights.

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What? Oh, yeah, right.

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August 30th, 1993. So Bo's come back from.

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Can we just say what a Part one.

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He's come back from his latest mission and he whoops.

[B]

Yeah, he's come back. He basically answers the question, what if Steven Seagal was a war grifter?

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Well, he's now an icon. He came back more famous than ever. He's the one brave man who has enough balls to go back to the southeast.

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So far, we've been on a hate tour. I just started hating Hollywood I already hated politics. The military, I hated. And now we're hating like, the talk show circuit. Sure.

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Yeah. He's gonna save our POW boys, right? He's the one guy. He's the one. Even though in actuality he hadn't saved anyone, in fact, created one POW and then abandoned him. And then Fled to America. But still, he is now seen as, like, this badass who's gonna get our boys back.

[B]

That's great.

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Yeah. Now it's time for Bo's big reveal. A congressional subcommittee invites him to present his evidence.

[B]

The nerves that must have been gone through. You think he gets nervous or he's such a liar that he's like, I got this.

[A]

I think he's a liar. And I think that he's getting so much positive feedback from the press and the talk shows and everything else that. Yeah. That he thinks he can say whatever he wants. So the congressional. This is. This hearing. It's the biggest spotlight he's ever going to have on him, and he's ready for it. As his first bit of proof, he presented a bag of bones to the US Embassy in Thailand to be analyzed.

[B]

He presented that to. Wait.

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Proof that there's bows.

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But who did he present that to?

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He gave it to the US Embassy in Thailand.

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Oh. Okay. Gotcha. Hey, Bo. Anything else?

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I found these bones at a POW camp, and I.

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It's just a little hard for us.

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To let you know that they work. They're working our men to death out there.

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So the POWs are dead. So what is the point?

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No, this one was alive. You abandoned him. And I could have gotten him out.

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I mean, these are bones.

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And then I got. By the time I got to him, he was bones. But he wanted. He wanted out. He wanted out.

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Okay. I had been sucking the bones to tell what his last thoughts were.

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So those bones were delivered to.

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Bag of bones.

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Those bones were delivered to Richard Armitage.

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It's also funny to imagine him just finding these bones. Like, that's perfect. Like he's on a little bone mission.

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So they're delivered to Richard Armitage in dc. He's done a lot of work for the US government. Armitage, at the time, he was the State Department Southeast Asia chief. Before that, he was allegedly involved with the Phoenix program, which was a Vietnam War program to bring corporate management system to torture and murder of innocent civilians. So it would be more efficient.

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Yeah.

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Which we later do under Bush.

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Yeah. Abu. Abu Grabbin.

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Later in his life, he leaked the CIA agent's name to the press because she wasn't proud of Iraq War enough, which was the Valerie Plain affair. And he also might have been one of the main guys in Iran Contra.

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This guy's.

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He's great.

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He's a real player.

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So Armitage testifies that Bo's bag of bones don't actually include any American bones.

[B]

Okay, so he's standing in the way of the bone bag.

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Yeah.

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Which is what I call my scrotum.

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In fact, it turns out the bones are mostly pig bones.

[B]

It's. You know what is great about this guy is it's. It's that he's like. He. Lazy. Lies.

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Yeah.

[B]

He, like, doesn't go. Yes. Like, he's not. Like, he's not really trying too hard. He's kind of just like. You know what I mean? It's just like. He's just, like, doing a science project with what he has on the kitchen table. Like.

[A]

Like our president.

[B]

Oh, come on. But it's just the idea of, like, the. The ability, the. The cojones to go to an embassy and present a bag of bones, like, pow. Bones, only to have someone be like, there's snout cartilage in here. What do you.

[A]

Which guy had a little curly tail?

[B]

A lot of them did, and they were hoofed.

[A]

So in Beau's biggest moment, when the subcommittee chairman asked him to present the pictures from that undeveloped roll of film, Bo said that he was the wrong. He used the wrong setting on the camera, and the pictures hadn't turned out.

[B]

Oh, my God.

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God damn it. I had my. I had my finger in front of the thing.

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Ah.

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So, you know, I don't know. I don't know. F stops.

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The cap was on. Classic mistake.

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As this is all unfolding, people in high places who had been sick of Bo for a while now started to take action against him. Okay, so Ted Sampley, the former editor of the U.S. veterans News and Report, said he was approached by the Reagan administration to spy on bow.

[B]

This is. The story is so off kilter that Reagan.

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Well, he's making the government look bad. Reagan is like, so the Republicans hate the government that helps people, but they love the military. So he is attacking.

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He's making military look bad.

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Yes. So that they can't have.

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Right.

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Quote, they were spying.

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Okay.

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That's just. Quote, they were spying on Bo. Gr. I testified about this in front of the Senate Select Committee. Gres became the victim of a smear campaign. He challenged the US Government and found himself called. Being called the fruitcake, an idiot of Charlotte.

[B]

Why don't you ask my psychic what she thinks? Go ahead, Charlotte.

[A]

Despite this huge setback on the national stage, Beau promised to go back and find our boys. Dave, it's time to get them out. Gareth, it's time to get. Bring them back.

[B]

Aren't they. Won't they actually be dying of natural causes soon? In this timeline, how long do you think these POWs are going to exist there?

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I mean, this is.

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They probably started new lives by now. Let them go. They're either not there anymore or they're done.

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I don't know what year we start. Stopped doing this, but it went on. I remember while it was going on, I was just like, how. How old are they? Like, what's happening? Why? My. In my brain, my. My first thought was always, why not just kill him?

[B]

You know what it is? It's like that. It's those. Philip, the stories of those in the Philippines when those soldiers were like. Like the story I did on the. The guy who, like, was gone for 23 years. That's what they think is happening. But there was, like, a few of those guys, and it's not happening.

[A]

Well, because the only reason to keep.

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A POW keepers of the POW camp would be like, you do it.

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You do it for a return.

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Yeah.

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You're. You're keeping them to get something from the country.

[B]

When do they make contact for the leverage?

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They never do. They're just like, we just want these guys here.

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Like, you just give them back. Give who back?

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Yeah, I'm.

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Give that back.

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Yeah. The whole thing doesn't make any sense.

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And yet everyone is. And they. Yet talk shows are like, it's an honor.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So. It's great. So Colonel Earl Hopper, Vice Chairman of the POW MIA organization Task Force Omega, remembered it this way. Quote, bo continued his operations trying to locate POWs, but each time his operation got underway, he was sabotaged by. By the US Government. This was a stab in the back, a perfidious act, in my opinion. So. Because he. You can't win. This is a situation where you. For the government, you can't win because you do want to stop him. He's a fucking grifter. He's giving hope to people who shouldn't have hope that they're.

[B]

Which is. Which is a check in the mail of bad news that makes you look bad.

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I mean, it's all just.

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He's a. He's a fake representative of your bullshit.

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But you're also, like, it's almost the perfect grift because when the government comes after you, you can just go see.

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Yeah.

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Like, it's.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So, Bo.

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And then if it fails, you go the government with us.

[A]

Yeah. Every time. So the bogo Bo goes back to Southeast Asia.

[B]

Who. Who's running the passports? Like, someone should just be like, sir.

[A]

No, no, you're not allowed to go.

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Across Pacific anywhere We X rayed your bag and it's a lot of bone. Big bones.

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I'm bringing the pig bones back to where they belong.

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I'm giving them a proper burial. These pigs bones. These pigs deserve an honorable burying.

[A]

So, Gareth, this is Operation Broken Wing. Name. Because it's supposed to result in the rescue of a POW with one broken leg, which is obviously not a wing, but.

[B]

And how do they know this POW has a broken leg?

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God, they got sources, Reynolds.

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This time I didn't put my finger over the lens.

[A]

So Bo's learned a lesson. And this time didn't do all the crazy shit he did before the other missions. He didn't call the press. He did invite a psychic. He didn't. There are no blondes, no sex workers. You can say it, but the mission is still. It's not great.

[B]

Okay.

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After Bo claims that an exiled Laotian general named Kong li traded him three POWs in exchange for a boat ride to Paris.

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That he. Bo is saying that he got three POWs.

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Yeah, in exchange for a boat ride to Paris. Because that's what he's giving a guy. That's what nation generals want. People don't know.

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I've always seen myself as Parisian. I want to open a boulangerie.

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I want to go to Paris.

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I really would love that.

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Do they really call it gay Paris now?

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Are you French? Because you're.

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Oui.

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He found a French layer. A fake French layer. I'm obsessed with the French.

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Love it. So since this is being pre arranged, they didn't need to call in the helicopters or anyone else in the military to come to their aid.

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I cannot wait to see what happens with these three fake POWs.

[A]

Well, so, no, no, he didn't get them yet. The. The plan is he's going to get. Plan. He's. They made a plan.

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Right, Right.

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Wait for the POWs at a rendezvous point on the Mekong river at midnight.

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Sure.

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So according to Bo, as soon as midnight comes, they start getting radio signals picking them up. It's the prisoners.

[B]

Wait, so hold on.

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They're talking on the radio.

[B]

He had time to plan this, and in his bullshit, he's supposed to meet. He's just. The POWs are just going to walk up alone?

[A]

No, they're going to be dropped off. I think they're being dropped.

[B]

Yeah. So at midnight, they start making radio contact instead of just walking up to the Runway.

[A]

I think they're letting. I think the people who are in charge of them are letting them use.

[B]

The radio in what? Weird.

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Jesus, Use your head, man.

[B]

You're gonna see him in five minutes.

[A]

Hey, hey.

[B]

Why don't you guys call them just to say what's up? And then you can see them.

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Just tell. Tell me your name and your eye color.

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Yeah, we'll just get the hellos out of the way. So this thing goes pretty quick, I guess.

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Say what you're wearing so they don't confuse you with other people.

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Just explain what. Just tell them how it's been, and then that'll save you some time when you're on the boat to not have to catch up like that. We're actually doing lunch orders real quick, so just call in your lunch order to your group.

[A]

So Bo puts on his night vision goggles, and he sees. Yeah, the POWs are on their way down the river in little dinghies. But just as they were getting close, sharks. Boom. A powerboat came out of nowhere and ran over the three dinghies. But the POW survived. But they were now forced to turn zombie.

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Pow.

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They were forced to turn around and head back to prison.

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So he. So close, he had them until a bigger boat knocked them over. And now they have to go back to POW camp.

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There's a lot of people who are he really.

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The idea that he came up with, like, he had hours, days, weeks. Sounds like this.

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Sounds like our government's trying to stop it again.

[B]

It's very Epstein.

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But it was very. This whole thing is very, very epstein. But Bo wasn't about to give up the rescue attempt. The next night, he crawled toward the prison in the underbrush, but someone saw him and shot a rocket at him. He survived that. Somehow, the rescue attempt did end there, but not because Bo got scared by the rocket, only because the media discovered he was in Laos, which may have been leaked by his own government. So he returned to the US Again without a pow.

[B]

A rocket. They shot a rocket.

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Yeah, that happens. Why would you shoot or send men?

[B]

The media knows, but the. But the people in the camp already know anyway. So why does the media letting anyone know? Real like, you could do the mission for another day.

[A]

I'm tired of your questions, obviously, because they're logical. Wow. So Bo goes back home and he moves to Nevada.

[B]

Imagine calling, like, the booker of the Tonight show. Like, I'd like to come back. I have a pretty good new little story.

[A]

It wasn't. I think it was daytime talk shows.

[B]

Oh. It was like, morning. I was like, yeah, I'd like to come back to Good Morning, Columbus.

[A]

It's like Donahue and shit like that.

[B]

Oh, my God. Oprah. Sally. Jesse. Well, Sally, Jesse, it got pretty hairy out there.

[A]

Well, why I shouldn't say Oprah, because why would Oprah have Bo Gritz on when she really just has high quality doctor like Dr. Oz?

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She didn't do fake war heroes. She does fake doctors.

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So he's in Nevada.

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I remember the first time I saw Dr. Oz, and I was like, this guy's making a lot of sense. You know what I mean? I was like, yeah, clearly. Look at that. He gets it. I should be drinking chia seeds.

[A]

So Bo spends his. Isn't she on chia seeds? Fine.

[B]

They're good for you. Yeah. Yeah, they're good for you.

[A]

He spent his downtime in the desert.

[B]

Of course.

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He's in Nevada training the same Afghan mujahideen who would then become the Taliban.

[B]

He is legit training the mujahideen, who is letting that happen.

[A]

Yeah, that's. I don't know why he was doing that.

[B]

Like, who would at this point be like, you should be in charge of this. Unless they were like, we want the movie.

[A]

He's still working with that stupid CIA Army, CIA thing. How is the last thing. Because the army is full of fucking idiots.

[B]

Well, that's a pretty good answer, really.

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I mean, think about the guy. Like, the liberals love Powell, and think about what a monster he was.

[B]

I just remembered I had a dream last night that I was near Pete Hegseth, and he smelled horribly, and he had, like, horrible halitosis.

[A]

I had a dream that we got another dog.

[B]

We're both doing good stuff. This is a Helix commercial, actually. Helix. Imagine what Pete Hegseth smells like.

[A]

Okay, so he's training the mujahideen. After one of. After one of these sessions, he gets a call, and it's from Tom Harvey, Ronald Reagan's National Security Council staff officer. And he told Bo to pack his bags. The world's greatest drug lord might have an army of POW slaves that needed to be liberated, and Bo was the man for the job.

[B]

Why be real?

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Because it.

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One of two things.

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National hero.

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One of two things is happening, and it's definitely not the first, which is that they've made up a fake mission to just get him out of America for a little while. So it's either that one or they're.

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The dumbest, or they want him to go attack the greatest drug lord and die.

[B]

They want him to die.

[A]

But also remember, they are. I mean, Oliver north is part of these people. Armitage is part of these people. I mean, it's Really a collection of idiots. It's. They're really.

[B]

And we saw this whole era, and we were like, now this needs to be replicated forever.

[A]

Well, the right has always been doing this. It's never stopped.

[B]

But this is like. Isn't this right around when it was like, oh, now we're getting it. We're figuring it out.

[A]

I mean, they're doing. They're doing Iran Contra.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[A]

There's deep in all kinds.

[B]

That's what I mean. They're like, this. This is. This is the model now.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I guess. Yeah. I mean, they always did this, dude.

[B]

But this is. This is like the Reagan was the one where you were like, yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, the mask is off, but, I mean, no, because the mask was off during Nixon. Like, he literally. He stopped. He stopped the peace process.

[B]

Then we put a mask on for a minute.

[A]

I don't know when the mask was on for, like, Carter was doing a genocide. And I didn't.

[B]

I. By the way, I didn't know about that until not too long ago. Oh, Jimmy.

[A]

Okay, so Khun Sa was the world's greatest drug lord. He ran the Golden Triangle, the world's largest producer of opium and heroin. And it's estimated at one point he produced half of the planet's heroin, valued at over a billion dollars a year.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

So to protect his massive cash crop, Khun assembled. Khun Sa assembled an army of over 10,000 armed men and a fortified camp in the jungle.

[B]

And Beau's gonna bring some sex workers and some weirdos he lied to with him. Yeah, in a balloon and a plane that you can blow up like a pontoon.

[A]

And one day, Bo Grights just strolls into the camp.

[B]

Dude, what the fuck? Hello.

[A]

Hi, boys.

[B]

How are you? What's going on in here?

[A]

He did not notify. He didn't notify Kunsa before he just showed up. Hi.

[B]

What are you doing?

[A]

The only things he brought were two cameramen and a lie detector test. Man. It's time for you to answer some questions.

[B]

Well, army of 10,000 and man who produces half the world's heroin. Will you sit in this chair and we can put some electrodes on your fingers?

[A]

Let's just settle this, all right?

[B]

Now, we're not leaving until each one of you takes a lie detector test. These people are with the Washington Post.

[A]

So we don't know why he brought the lie detector test because it never got around to that. But the cameraman immediately started filming as Beau walks in and Shouts for the world's most powerful drug lord to come down and meet him.

[B]

What is he doing? He's school tizing.

[A]

I think that he is now projected himself as a type of person and he has to live up to it even then.

[B]

What was good about before was he would go on the bullshit and bring back the bluster.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now he's forgotten that step and he's just going full bluster.

[A]

Full bluster. From Bo's autobiography. Quote. In my mind's eye, I could see Khun Sa as some giant Star wars style Jabba the Hutt living in a jungle covered Taj Mahal, slurping up virgins, surrounded by an army of Apocalypse now type mercenaries.

[B]

This is so unacceptable for this to end up in your own book. This is his book. In my mind's eye, I was picturing Jabba the Hutt. Imagine the guy who like showed him Star Wars. He's like, that was a fucking mistake. I should have shown that. I thought it'd be all right. Yes. Wars stars good.

[A]

So he's surprised to be met by a short, normal looking guy from Myanmar smoking a cigarette and wearing combat fatigues. Luckily. Luckily for Beau, the he. He loves the shit. He loves the bows. Like rolling in like a tough guy.

[B]

All right. You're crazy. I love it.

[A]

He graciously welcomed Beau into his home slash army base place.

[B]

What? It's working.

[A]

Yeah. Because. Because this is, this is the type of guy you're like, look at this crazy asshole. Like you don't.

[B]

You're like, look, game respects game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Good for you, Bo.

[A]

Quote. I noticed the throbbing vein in his neck and now thought how easy it would be to rid the world of its most infamous drug lord. I stack of seven bricks. Kuna's neck would snap like a twig.

[B]

That is that Kuna who he's talking to. So he literally walks in and the leader's like, come on, you live here. What if I'm Bo? I Dennis Rodman, North Korea. That right there. I'm like, I'm not going to leave.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is awesome.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is great.

[A]

Yeah. Luckily for Kuna, Bo was held himself back from snapping the neck. He he. So the two men start talking and immediately about the army of pow slaves. And as the cameras roll, Kun saw waved his hand away in a ridiculous way that says it's just a rumor. When you're the world's most infamous drug lord, tall tales get woven around you.

[B]

See, here's why he's telling the truth. He's like, I'm the Drug lord.

[A]

Yeah, I don't need that.

[B]

I'm a big drug lord.

[A]

Why would I need that?

[B]

What he's confessing to, like, the crime.

[A]

He's like, I have 10,000 men. Why would I need like a couple hundred guys? Just bring trouble on me. Like, why would I do that?

[B]

Just release a couple of them, put two of them in white face and hand them to me.

[A]

But Bo's not done. And Kun saw. Clearly had a light schedule that day because they keep talking for another two hours.

[B]

There's footage of this?

[A]

Yeah, apparently. Yeah.

[B]

Did you see the game last night?

[A]

So the thing they talked the most about was the fact that the biggest customers for heroin in the world were working for the US Government.

[B]

It's just. This is. This is honestly so good that it's happening.

[A]

Kunsan named names. CIA agent, CIA agents Daniel Arnold and Jerry Daniels. CIA Deputy Director for Covert Operations, Ted Shackley. And lastly, Bo's enemy, Richard Armitage. Armitage, it would turn out, was the bag man who brought in the dirty money to be laundered at the Nugent Hand bank of Australia. So.

[B]

So Beau's gone on a POW fighting mission that doesn't exist. But because he just walked into this. This drug lord zone is now getting the details of who in the CIA is buying all of the heroin illegally for the drug lord that they sent him to release the prisoners from.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

He's actually doing good work.

[A]

I don't think that. I don't.

[B]

So who would you classify this as good work? Yes, it is, because it's like. Yeah.

[A]

No, because the guy who sent him was the National Security Council staff officer Tom Harvey. So he probably doesn't know that the CIA is.

[B]

But, I mean, good work for, like, us, like, in the greater good he's actually doing.

[A]

No, I was just answering your question of, like, the government is doing it to itself. No, it's different parts of the government. Like, they didn't send him knowing yet that he would. It's different parts of the guy who sent him didn't know that he would.

[B]

Yeah, but it's great because, like, if you have two hours of footage of them being like, here are all the people in the CIA. We're buying heroin. You're like, well, that's good to know.

[A]

So Kunsa offers an olive branch to America and all its citizens who are suffering from all the heroin addiction is.

[B]

Just like, which one's my camera?

[A]

For $150 million and the recognition of a state for his ethnic group, Kunsa would Destroy all the heroin now.

[B]

Okay, if you're America, this is a good deal.

[A]

No, you don't want that.

[B]

Well, yeah, if you're like in earnest America, if you're like a regular person, this is a good deal.

[A]

It's a good deal.

[B]

But the government is obviously like, no, we need that.

[A]

Well, because the CIA, yeah, this is what they. They're using heroin and cocaine to profit their. Or whatever. So Bo couldn't believe this gold mine of information. He rush back to the States and sent a copy of the tape to the White House and was quickly told, quote, beau, there's no one here who supports that. Beau was devastated, quote. Almost immediately, the sky began to fall. Gareth the Dollop is brought to you by Squarespace. Gareth. It's an all in one website platform designed to help you and help you succeed online and really conquer the world. Online.

[B]

We. Dave, look, yeah, you can try to do your thing over there. Do your little blah, blah, blah. We love Squarespace. We've worked with Squarespace the longest sponsor we've had. For reasons that are obvious, it is the best place to get your website, to build your website. All of the websites that we're associated with, all four.

[A]

Squarespace is so great that I used to be in a sexual relationship with.

[B]

Okay, okay, okay.

[A]

When I lived. We should garage now. It's basically just that's growing pain boy situation.

[B]

You're doing growing pains.

[A]

And we broke up. And I still work with Squarespace. That's how great Squarespace is.

[B]

Okay. But anyway, the. That is. Yeah. So the point is that we've been with Squarespace the longest because it's the easiest. And as we've, as we've grown, so has Squarespace. You know, it used to just be like, hey, here's your website. That's great. Now they're coming at you with everything. They're telling you how to build an empire.

[A]

The eyes, the gentle touches, the.

[B]

Yes. Okay. Anyway, so many things you can use Squarespace for. Get. Hit them with a couple, Dave.

[A]

Well, you can get paid on time with professional on brand invoices and online payments.

[B]

Bam.

[A]

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[B]

What about merch, Dave? Something that we've just added to the Dollop website via Squarespace, so.

[A]

That's right. We are. We now have merch.

[B]

I have merch. Whether it ships to you, that's not their fault. That's going to land on someone else's shoulders. But.

[A]

And sometimes they'll take you out for like a dinner next to a river on a little. It's like they're teasing and it's like, hey, no, no, no, we were done.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those are bad things.

[B]

No, and you, you were. We were talking about this before you're at live shows. People were like, whoa, yeah, people are.

[A]

Commenting about my hair.

[B]

What'd you do to the old man stories?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I said, that old sack of bones who used to just scream and not really know where he was, where's he? And why'd you replace him with a young. This young kid?

[A]

What are you doing?

[B]

And we would say, we would say, we would say this is the same Dave.

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Stop. How long have you been taking it?

[A]

A couple years now, I think.

[B]

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[A]

Nope, nope, nope. Not recommended.

[B]

Don't just seeing what happens there, but overall, everybody's loving it. We're both using it. Dave gets accused of being an imposter all the time. Things are good, see?

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[B]

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[A]

See, we just ended the podcast. I'm sorry. No, no, it's the final. The final moment here. Congratulations, everybody.

[B]

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[A]

What was that?

[B]

It got away from me at the end.

[A]

One of the. One of the cameramen was loyal compatriot of Bose named Scott Weekly. And he was in charge of making poison darts for Operation Lazarus Omega.

[B]

Yeah, right. Okay, so he was the guy who made the. He was like the Q.

[A]

Although maybe, maybe we have never seen these tapes.

[B]

I had the wrong exposure level.

[A]

Okay, whatever. So I should. I should have. I should have figured out before. I should have talked to Josh before. This was actually. Because it gets so confusing as to what's. What we know is real and what isn't real.

[B]

What's Bo's real and what's real. Right.

[A]

So one of the cameramen was a lawyer. But we do know the CIA was traffics drugs or whatever. One of the cameramen was a loyal compatriot of Bose named Scott Wakely, in charge of making poison darts for Operation Lazarus Omega. He had helped Bo train the future Taliban. And his nickname was Dr. Death. Once. Once. We're now in a Marvel cartoon. Once Dr. Death arrived home in San Diego, he was picked up by the ATF and customs department who proceeded to tell him that Bo sold weapons to Iran while he was working in South America. Essentially, they're saying that Bo did Iran Contra.

[B]

So many hits.

[A]

Now this is before the scandal broke, so they're accusing him of doing Iran Contra before Iran Contra break was mainstream. Desperate to get Dr. Death to testify against Bo, they popped in with a charge traveling with 200 pounds of explosive. Now that is a wild accusation, but it is Also kind of true.

[B]

What?

[A]

Because that's what they were using to train the Afghans on behalf of members of the US Military.

[B]

Oh, my God. It. There is so much going on once.

[A]

You get up into the high idiot echelons. There's so few people doing the dumbest shit that they all kind of know each other.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's what I learned by reading the. The Oliver north book and reading other stuff is that there's really just a small group of these fucking idiots doing really dumb.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which is good.

[A]

Yeah, it's really great.

[B]

It's like how. It's like how America's, you know, 21 companies, it's like. Yeah.

[A]

So Bub recalls talking to Scott in a pretrial hearing call. I shouldn't call him Scott, I was going to say.

[B]

I mean, the guy went to medical.

[A]

School for so long. You're right. Bo recalls talking to Dr. Death in a pretrial holding quote. They are. They were trying to get me to stop talking about Kun Saw. Don't believe anything the government says to you. It was all a setup. The day he appeared before the judge, those U.S. agents did not show up for him. And the judge, instead of dismissing the charges, gave him five years at Lompoc.

[B]

Gave Bo.

[A]

No. Dr. Death.

[B]

Oh, Dr. Death. Right, of course.

[A]

But that's scary for all the. All the inmates, for sure.

[B]

Don't buy toilet paper off the doctor Death. Come on. Get it. Do you guys want some cool soaps?

[A]

So Bo's friend called to warn him. And the call was tapped by Major Chuck Johnson with the National Security Agency, who quoted Beau's best friend in an affidavit and quote, they say you're in for a real shit blizzard unless you knock off all current activities. You've got no option. You're going to get taken care of. You got to erase and forget everything. You are going to hurt the government and get hurt unless you do exactly as I say.

[B]

I cannot believe he is now in this level of. He's like important now.

[A]

He's important. But this. This just like if you read about the shit the government does, they don't take it to the level. I mean. I mean, these idiots that I'm talking about, the Oliver north and these guys, they never take it to the level of I'm going to kill a bow. A Beau Gritz who knows too much, they never kind of.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like the CIA would. But we're not talking about the CIA. The CIA would. Yeah. They'd be like, yeah, okay, but not these idiots. Right. So whatever, Bo quote the government. My government was saying, you erase and forget or we're gonna bury you. It made me angry. If you wanna do something, tell me. I can't. And that's exactly what I'm going to start to do.

[B]

Okay, we want you to do it.

[A]

Fuck.

[B]

Good.

[A]

God damn it. I feel like I really set myself up for that one.

[B]

And we want you to bring a lot of journalists with you when you do it.

[A]

Son of a bitch. And no, I won't.

[B]

Fuck. Hold on. We want you to try it now. No, no, no, don't.

[A]

I'm not gonna do it.

[B]

Good.

[A]

I won't.

[B]

Good. No reporters. Good? Fuck, no way. Bad. Yes, damn it.

[A]

For you. For two years. The next two years, the shit blizzard dumped down on Bo's head. The government, desperate to get something on him, charged him with using the passport of another.

[B]

He probably did do that.

[A]

He probably did.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

Well, it's actually bullshit because because of his work he was given three passports. And he used them because he was supposed to.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Finally, In April of 1989, there was a grant. But again, remember, he's doing stuff where they said, nevermind, I can't. I'm so. I'm so confused by how much bullshit is going on. So finally, In April of 1989, there was a grand jury trial and 19 separate witnesses were called. But his lawyers noticed something. The U.S. attorney brought the wrong charges against Beau.

[B]

Ah.

[A]

Said the case was dismissed.

[B]

There's no way.

[A]

They didn't do that on purpose. There's no way they didn't do that on purpose. They had to have done. The US Attorneys are so fucking on top. They don't take you to trial unless they have you fucking.

[B]

So what is the pitch there? Why would they do that?

[A]

I don't know, but that just seems like really weird to me that a U.S. attorney would do something just clinical error.

[B]

I mean that, by the way, that is not like a typo, that's like a.

[A]

It's so egregious.

[B]

All right, so he stole a lot of bikes. No.

[A]

When. When reporters asked the U.S. attorney why he even went forward with the case, he replied, quote, george Bush called me up and told me to get Bo. Gr. That's VP Bush, right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's Bush one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As a man who has seen several conspiracies perpetrated by the United States government and who has been hounded in an attempt to silence him, one can forgive BO for wading into some of other conspiracy theories. But during the debacle of A trial. Beau didn't just wait. He jumped headfirst into conspiracy.

[B]

Oh, God.

[A]

So, yeah, they. Whatever was left of him is now broken.

[B]

This is bad. Now he's Q.

[A]

Now he's queuing from a friend. Quote. One morning, Bo wakes up. Beau wakes me up all excited. Coffee's brown cocaine, reading me passages from a book called the Gods of Eden. The Gods of Eden is about how ancient aliens created war and religion as population control and how the Brotherhood of the Snake was formed in Sumeria to try and stop them.

[B]

Do you understand? We're Sumerian brotherhood. How did you sleep? Fuck. So now.

[A]

So now he's up all night reading books.

[B]

Now he's. Now he's reading books.

[A]

He's gone. He's gone.

[B]

By the way, wasn't here.

[A]

No.

[B]

Dad, do you realize that we're actually all just snakes from Sumeria?

[A]

But we're on. We're near the episode, the middle of episode two of three.

[B]

And now we're episode two of three. We're at the midpoint. Yeah, we're about to sense of him, like, wearing human flesh. Just like I am the double God.

[A]

Bo now believed that JFK was killed by Nazi bomb makers, that AIDS was created by the federal government, that Jonestown was an MKULTRA product, a project where in his special time, where in his time as Special Forces commander in South America, he saw troops deployed to the airstrip to act as exterminators who were there to destroy the evidence. He became more Christian, especially leaning towards the conspiratorial side, like his belief about barcodes quote.

[B]

Oh, my God. Dave, can I have a minute?

[A]

I think we're going to see a literal mark of the beast. I think it'll be part of the globalist cashless system. I was on a radio program the other day and a lady came on and says, you know, it sounds so easy. I'll have this mark. I'll go down to the grocery store. I don't have to carry money. This sounds wonderful. I said, yes, ma'. Am. But if you accept this system, the smoke of your torment rises forever.

[B]

Are you talking to me? Did you. Are you talking to me right now? Yeah, yeah, I just. What do you mean? Because I'm just gonna go pay.

[A]

You want to pay with your mark?

[B]

No, I just want to pay with the car. There will be a mark on whatever I'm buying.

[A]

Yeah, well, that's the smoke of torment that's going to eat you alive in your soul from the Cheerios. Well, you're inviting the darkness of The Satan to come and take everything.

[B]

Should I just pay with a cash?

[A]

I'd use cash.

[B]

Okay. Well, that's what it is. I'm glad we met. That first part of that is. So Alex Jonesed.

[A]

Yeah. This is very Alex Jonesy, man. A lot of people go down this. It's crazy that we've survived this long with so many people.

[B]

It's pretty much over. But. But, but no, it is, because it. You know, the truth is, it's like there's like early Alex Jones. Like, early. Where you're like, oh, yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, where you're like, yeah, that's exactly right. It's so fudged up. And then now he's like, we are the frogs are aliens and this is the globalist agenda.

[A]

Well, because once you. Once you accept that the US government is. There's a lot of fucking heinous going. It's not what you're taught in school.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Other entity. Then there's nothing to hold on to anymore.

[B]

And I think that's where we're peaking right now is like, everybody from pretty much this political spectrum. There's still, like, some hangers on, obviously, but so many. Even though Trump's approval ratings up with Republicans. But so many people now are like, this is. And then they start finding out what's. And they're like, exactly. It's king tight.

[A]

So he and his wife, who she's now old enough to rent a car, she. They leaned into the religious thing.

[B]

Wait, who? Bo's wife?

[A]

Yeah. Remember, she was 16 when they got married. Well, she can. She's only.

[B]

How long ago was that?

[A]

That was a while ago. She's probably late 20s now.

[B]

My God. I feel like I. I feel like right now, honestly, in my math, Bow's 88, he's not.

[A]

So they're leaning into the religious thing more. And they convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, so they become Mormons.

[B]

Good.

[A]

So Beau is keeping his name alive by giving talks and survivalist trainings around the country. And he has a pretty big popularity among increasingly more fringe elements of the right wing. So when someone asked him to run for vice president on the populist party ticket, he jumped at it without asking questions. He was just like, fuck, yeah, I'll be vp. He probably should have asked who was on the president part of the ticket.

[B]

David Duke.

[A]

It's grand. Kkk. Grand Wizard David Duke.

[B]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh.

[A]

So it took him a little bit to come around and realize it's probably a bad Thing. But he eventually decides to drop. Drop off the ticket man when you.

[B]

When. When you've lost bone, bro.

[A]

He called. After he dropped out, he called Duke, quote, bigoted garbage dumped into a perfectly good container.

[B]

I mean, all right, we could compliment him on something. Again.

[A]

When asked why he joined in the first place, Bo said, quote, I didn't know anything about the Ku Klux Klan.

[B]

That's impossible. Come on. That's impossible. Impossible. Even without Google, I thought there were.

[A]

A club of guys who wore costume.

[B]

Hello, David. I'm excited to work with you. Oh, cool. Cool outfit. What is this for? Are we going trick or treating? I'm a little lost.

[A]

Okay, yeah, I'm sorry. You're a cyclop. You're wi. What?

[B]

What am I doing? All right, well, let's go get this candy.

[A]

Are you a real wizard or is.

[B]

This a photo op?

[A]

What are we doing?

[B]

Why are we dressed like this?

[A]

Have you seen my bag of pig bones?

[B]

We look like ear candles.

[A]

From a friend of Bo's regarding him joining the presidential ticket with the KKK chief. Quote, this guy who has so much strength and decency and courage and conviction, tripping on his dick almost every turn he makes. So many people who have so much reverence for the guy, agonizing over watching him do these things that are. And there's no other word for it, stupid.

[B]

I mean, he is tripping over his dick. I guess that is the thing is, like. But he's saying he has this great conviction. But I also feel like in the first part, it was so much grifting, but is it this?

[A]

This seems to me like it's just a quest for fame, right? So when he gets asked to be on the presidential ticket, he's like, yes, Pres. Yes. Not really, like, being like, oh, this could actually be worse for me. He just hears presidential ticket. It just seems like everything he does, he wants to.

[B]

Fame climber.

[A]

Yeah. After bailing on the populist party, Bo jumped into the two party system and ran as a Republican for the congressional representative of Las Vegas.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Unfortunately, he tripped on his dick again.

[B]

Oh, gosh.

[A]

When he chose his campaign manager, David Duke.

[B]

David, I've never heard of you, but I'm excited to see what you can do, kiddo.

[A]

Quote, his campaign manager is a real screwball. He's bragging of having once been a drug dealer. And I'm standing there in Beau's kitchen thinking, what? Then in the middle of the campaign, he goes to jail for 30 days for his misuse of a rental car. And Writing bad checks.

[B]

I love that you. He didn't make a swap. After the third he was like, I'm hanging in there with his 30 day rental car.

[A]

When you get into these right wing circles, it's so full of these crazy just lawless scumbag.

[B]

That's why a lot of them end up there. Because I mean, at least it used to be that like, you know, the Democratic Party had some sort of standard. So it was like it was where you would go to, to revit, reinvent yourself and like. Yeah, it is like the church in that way. Like where it's just like, you know, people go there when they're they Stephen Baldwin because like, all right, everything's shitty. Yeah, I love God.

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Yeah. In 1992, Bo aims higher and he wins the president presidency, wins the presidential spot on the populist party ticket.

[B]

That's the one that had David Duke earlier.

[A]

Yeah. But now he's the like presidential candidate.

[B]

Oh, okay, sure.

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Not tainted at all.

[B]

Not tarnished.

[A]

Yeah, it's fine. Okay. He uses the slogan guns, God and gres.

[B]

I mean you could see that on a truck today.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Unlike his pre predecessor, grand wizard of the Klux Clan, David Duke Bose platform attempted to to actually be a little populist. He called it the Bill of Rights.

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I don't hate it. I'm sure I hate what's in it.

[A]

But I don't bon what he believed in. Quote, if we would have stayed out of Guatemala, for example, the United Fruit Company would have suffered a little bit, but Guatemala would not have lost tens of thousands of people killed by CIA supported and inspired police action. Certainly we would never have gone along with nafta, those kinds of things. So this is where they get me.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Because you're like, yeah, it's like Marjorie.

[B]

Taylor Greene right now.

[A]

Right. They say things and you're like, I agree with that. But all of their solutions, all of their other stuff is fucking heinous.

[B]

But they get to the justification like yeah, exactly. It. She'll say something, you'll be like, exactly. She's like, Jews have laser. No, no.

[A]

His VP choice was a man named Psy Minute. Minette. Maybe Minette Minute. M I N E T T M.

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I N E T T. I think it's minute.

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Minute, Minute. Let's do minute.

[B]

I agree.

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Minute.

[B]

Where is he? He'll be right back.

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A 60 year old, 63 year old fighter pilot who Beau described as quote, a lot better looking than me and hotter than woodpecker lips because of the pecking cy Was also a speaker.

[B]

Please tell me this guy goes to jail.

[A]

Cy was also a speaker on the Christian conspiracy circuit, selling cassette tapes with speeches like the fearful Fed. An expose on bloodletting money changers. That's very. That seems very anti Semitic.

[B]

I was just about to say it feels very.

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Smell of anti Semitism.

[B]

Veiled. Barely veiled.

[A]

Barely veiled. In the middle of the campaign, Psy convinced Bo to fly to the Tehachapi Mountains north of Los Angeles to meet with Hatton, the eight and a half foot reptile. Like commander of the play ads. I mean, go back to David Duke.

[B]

Dave.

[A]

I just.

[B]

Dave. Dave. David.

[A]

But you read this stuff and you go, yeah, of course they think that there's Jew lasers setting the mountains on fire, like they're fucking lunatics.

[B]

I mean, look, if your vice president asks you to go to a mountain to meet an eight and a half tall lizard king.

[A]

Commander.

[B]

Commander. You gotta be like, look, I don't know if this is right.

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Quote, oh, no. We got into this little storefront and Cy says, now, I just want to verify this. Hatton himself is going to walk in and meet us. And the person said, yes, he'll be here.

[B]

He's running a little late. He's just finishing up Growing Pains.

[A]

A woman who calls herself Dharma sat down at the table and said very quickly, without any fanfare, I am present. And I thought, shoot, we got a changeling thing going on here. And Sai said, are you eight and a half feet? And she said, no, no, I'm actually nine and a half feet. So obviously it's not a great campaign.

[B]

I mean.

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I mean, what the fuck is happening? If you're going to have. If you're going to go with the lizard people. Well, which I believe the lizard people is just pure anti Semitism. But if you're gonna go with the lizard people thing, why do they appear as humans? I don't. Yeah, like, why are you making them lizard people if they're. Because it's. I don't know. I've never wanted to get. Never wanted to read about or get into the lizard people conspiracy because I just. It's like, so on. Like, I'm not gonna waste my time reading one article about what the. Those people think.

[B]

I've read some and it's insane. Yeah, you're talking about, like, the David Icke shit.

[A]

Who's David Icke?

[B]

Or maybe not. Well, he's the guy who came up with Reptilians.

[A]

Oh, he is? Yeah. Yeah. Then that. That's what it is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Conspiracy ran rampant through Bo's presidential campaign. Journalist Adam Parfait spoke to several campaign workers who said their phones were tapped and someone was opening their mail. Imagine, just a. Just a whole presidential campaign of just all conspiracy people. How great. Oh, my God. I would love to work there just to fuck conspiracies. Bo San Diego campaign coordinator, claimed, quote, the CA shot at my house. They're trying to get rid of me. But when Parfait asked the coordinator's wife, she shot back with, quote, that's a lot of bull crap. It was just gang members.

[B]

No, it was not. It was the CIA and the lizards. The lizard. I can't talk right now.

[A]

She doesn't know what's going on.

[B]

My wife is being so negative.

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I think my wife's a lizard. I'm pretty sure they got her.

[B]

Hey, hon. How tall are you? Five, nine. Oh.

[A]

During this time, Beau was getting close with Pastor Pete Peters. Spending time.

[B]

Hey, your name's real, right? You promise?

[A]

Spending time at his Christian compound in the Rockies. Peters was leader of the Christian Identity Movement, which is based on. Upon the belief that white European Anglo Saxons were the true Israelites and Jews are satanic imposters. He and Bo and all their friends were, in fact, the real chosen people. This is, of course, the same movement of Mat Shea, part of episode from episode 384.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, so if you remember the Matt Shea episode that now he's hanging with those bros.

[B]

I just. In my head, Beau is. He's. He's not on board with all these people. Like, in my head, he's kind of like, wait, what? Yeah, like, he's like, I'm crazy, but I got, like, a very specific crazy.

[A]

No, but he's now gone down the crazy road.

[B]

So he's in.

[A]

Yeah, he. He went from being a guy who hung out with his ghost dad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To now, like, just being like. But that's, like, what happens.

[B]

It would be so great to show the grandma where he ended up. See, that's why you don't put a kid in a plane with a ghost dad, you idiot.

[A]

So Beau and Peters differed on one thing. Peters had a book called death penalty for Homosexuals is prescribed in the Bible, which was dedicated to Bo.

[B]

What? Because. Oh, that's very nice. That's very. That's an honor. That's a very nice thing to do.

[A]

Because Beau told him that he would, quote, fight to the death to allow anyone their rights, including homosexuals. Unfortunately, both slid a little bit to the pastor's side, trying to split the difference. Quote, there are first degree murders that deserve to be electrocuted. And there are third degree murders that ought to be released. There are first degree homosexuals who probably should be skinned.

[B]

You're under arrest.

[A]

I've actually known some first degree homosexual sexuals.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, they're the best ones.

[A]

Yeah, they're fun. You know how to party.

[B]

You have any idea why I pulled you over?

[A]

First degree gay guy?

[B]

Pop the trunk, sir. Gladly.

[A]

Are you first degree or third degree? I'll suck anything.

[B]

Oh, it's the first degree all right. Look, they're gonna drop the first degree homosexual charge, but they're gonna give you a man's gay.

[A]

So there are first degree homosexuals who probably should be skinned alive. You find them in San Francisco.

[B]

Christ.

[A]

Yeah, you find them in San Francisco making ads that say, we're going to pervert your sons and daughters. We're going to commit these atrocities.

[B]

By the way, those ads were so common. I don't know if people like, if younger people don't remember how much like, I think gay people try to make it seem like back then they just wanted to be left alone and do their own thing and have a culture that they enjoyed.

[A]

You know what they wanted?

[B]

They were trying to.

[A]

They wanted to be accepted and not be fucking bothered. That's it.

[B]

They had posters everywhere talking about how they wanted to wait until night and then they wanted to take your sons and daughters and gay them up.

[A]

I lived in San Francisco and there were. There were posters everywhere that were like, when you sleep, we're coming for your boys.

[B]

We will take your children and we will give them the gay potion.

[A]

Much like the American government would take native American kids and give them to white parents to raise.

[B]

No different. It's different.

[A]

It's the same thing. No, no, with the gay agenda cult.

[B]

It'S always that where it's like, look, as long as they don't try to kiss me.

[A]

Yes. Also like, this is no different than we do with cities today. Right. So he just made up something that is happening in the city and then says, you know, it's a problem. Take him out as far and concern. It's like you just made up something to get mad at. Yeah, they're doing the same thing today.

[B]

I mean, that's pretty much all they do.

[A]

Yeah. By far the most notable moment on Bo's campaign, perhaps the biggest moment of his life, was the standoff between federal agents and white separatists in a small home in northern Idaho in the mountains in an area called Ruby Ridge.

[B]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[A]

Okay, that'll be part three.

[B]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I might start smoking. Oh, God. Do you want your sources again or whatever?

[A]

Oh, yeah. Sources for this episode. First of all, Josh Andruski wrote it. A Revolution of Small Guns by Adam Parfait is San Diego Reader. Prisoners of Hope by Susan Katz Keating. That's a book. And Ruby Ridge, Part 3, Fear and Faith by Corey Brosnahan and PBS American Experience.

[B]

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