698 - Bo Gritz - Part Three

Summary

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Episode 698 – Bo Gritz – Part Three
Release Date: August 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

In the third installment of the Bo Gritz saga, Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds dive into the controversial Vietnam vet’s foray into politics, his pivotal involvement in the Ruby Ridge standoff, his complicated relationships with both fringe right-wing movements and authorities, the collapse of his "Almost Heaven" survivalist community, and his final spiral into outlandish activism. As ever, Dave leads the historical narrative with Gareth’s trademark irreverent asides, poking holes in the absurdities and contradictions of fringe American history.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Bo Gritz Enters Politics and Encounters Ruby Ridge

(03:05 – 12:20)

• Dave and Gareth discuss Bo Gritz's political ambitions, running for president under the Populist Party alongside conspiracy theorists and figures who believed in "lizard people."
• The narrative pivots to the 1992 Ruby Ridge standoff: ATF errors, law enforcement’s deadly missteps, and fringe escalation.
• Dave details how Gritz is brought in by local authorities hoping his credibility with far-right groups would defuse the crisis.

Notable Quote:
Dave (06:17): "They needed someone respected by fringe white supremacists. But one who didn’t completely despise the entire government apparatus, Gareth. They needed Bo Gritz."

2. Bo Gritz as Negotiator at Ruby Ridge

(12:20 – 25:20)

• Gritz insists on direct negotiation and gains Weaver’s trust through empathy, religious language, and appeals to family, achieving what the FBI could not.
• He helps evacuate the wounded, removes Vicki Weaver’s body with compassion, and ultimately convinces Randy Weaver and his daughters to surrender peacefully.
• The FBI is both embarrassed and resentful, as Gritz's mediation highlights their mishandling and lack of effective communication.

Memorable Moment (Vision vs. Dream Bit):
(17:11 – 23:45)
Gareth and Dave riff on Gritz’s claim of having a prophetic "vision" about the standoff’s end, with Gareth mercilessly mocking him:
Gareth: "That’s actually—jump in quick—what we call a dream. Yeah, that is—I wasn’t awake, I wasn’t asleep, but I was seeing stuff. You were asleep?"

3. Public Reaction, Nazi Salute, and Backlash from the Right

(25:20 – 29:47)

• Bo becomes a media hero but undercuts himself by giving a Nazi salute to skinhead supporters—a moment widely photographed.
• He later tries to deny intent:
  Dave (26:08): "Despite clear photographic evidence of him doing a Nazi salute, Bo disputed the charge. Quote: 'If I wanted to give a Nazi salute, I certainly would have known how to give it, and I would have given it in a fashion that any good Nazi would have been proud of.'"
• His base turns on him for “collaborating” with authorities, wanting martyrdom over surrender.
• Both right-wing extremists and media criticize Gritz for preventing a violent showdown.

4. Aftermath: Failed Presidential Campaign and Grifting Accusations

(29:08 – 39:12)

• Gritz’s campaign fizzles due to self-sabotage; he declines major media appearances and is accused of misusing campaign funds.
• Despite post-Ruby Ridge fame, he makes nearly no impact in the presidential race, especially outside fringe circles.

Notable Quote:
Dave (29:58): "He’s out of his mind and he’s not thinking properly because he’s out of his mind."

5. Almost Heaven: The Survivalist Compound

(39:12 – 46:08)

• Gritz shifts to hosting survivalist “Spike” seminars (Specially Prepared Individuals for Key Events) and founds "Almost Heaven," a remote Idaho community for doomsday preppers.
• The compound swells with Y2K fears but quickly devolves into mismanagement scandals, wild conspiracies, and legal trouble.
• Gritz is caught up in a botched kidnapping to "rescue" children based on false satanic ritual abuse claims, only to be acquitted by luck. His personal life unravels; he divorces, is excommunicated from the Mormon Church, and survives a suicide attempt.

6. Late Life and Further Absurdity

(46:08 – end)

• Gritz dabbles in further futile activism, e.g., trying to personally capture the Atlanta Olympic bomber and inserting himself into the Terri Schiavo right-to-die case—with more citizens’ arrest theatrics.
• He feuds with ever-more extreme separatists (calling them “noodles”) and ultimately abandons Almost Heaven.
• Semi-retired, Gritz continues his survivalist outreach, radio lectures, and brief, odd forays into splinter religious groups.

Notable Quotes:

• Dave (53:08): “He wrote bulletins like this: ‘Look to those who are openly Antichrist. Who in the world is promoting abortion, pornography, pedophilia, godless laws, adultery, New Age international banking, entertainment industry, and world publishing.’”
• Dave (63:30): "He’s still with us. He’s 86. When looking back at his life and career, Bo summed it up: 'I’m very glad that things went the way they did. I wouldn’t want to be a general in the Pentagon today with a—no—with no goonads sitting there having been...having been castrated of my initiative or any real talent that I might have.'"

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Dave (09:11): "Well, I’m here talking to you and you’re not talking to Randy Weaver, are you?"
• Gareth (14:29): "Fair? … Yes, completely."
• Dave (25:20): "He sees a group of skinheads, and he gives them a Nazi salute."
• Gareth (26:27): "That is—dude, that’s exactly like Trump with that Epstein drawing…"
• Dave (41:04): "Bo circled [Idaho] and a name called to him immediately... 'Almost Heaven.' Jesus Christ."
• Gareth (52:07): "Boy, you’re really looking back when you add it up…"
• Dave (55:04): "She helped him join the Church of Israel, which is a splinter group off the Mormon Church… it’s basically the same thing Beau believed in before, except they added being anti-vax and sovereign citizens to the whole thing."

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Important Timestamps

• 03:05: Bo Gritz enters the 1992 presidential race; Ruby Ridge context
• 07:31: Far-right flock to support Weaver during standoff
• 09:41: Bo’s direct negotiation begins; empathy and religious appeal
• 16:48: FBI gives Bo a deadline: resolve the standoff or they’ll end it by force
• 24:08: Weaver surrenders at Gritz’s urging; peaceful conclusion
• 25:20: Comical/absurd moment: Gritz gives Nazi salute to skinheads
• 29:14: Chairwoman complains about Gritz’s sabotaged campaign/media avoidance
• 39:12: The "Almost Heaven" compound and survival seminars explained
• 43:53: Botched "rescue" and subsequent legal fallout for Gritz
• 47:08: Divorce, excommunication, and suicide attempt
• 56:00: Gritz intervenes in Terri Schiavo case, with citizens’ arrests for public officials
• 63:30: End-of-life summary and Gritz’s self reflection

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Tone and Style

Dave and Gareth’s tone remains biting, incredulous, and sardonic throughout. They lampoon Gritz’s frequent delusions of grandeur, conspiracy-laden worldview, and the cyclical futility of fringe American extremism—while also highlighting the tragic consequences of institutional overreach and breakdown.

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Summary

This third chapter concludes the Bo Gritz saga by highlighting his repeated steps into chaos, disaster, and spectacle—from peace broker at Ruby Ridge to survivalist grifter, from would-be presidential candidate to an isolated, aging crank. Dave and Gareth underscore the dangers of unchecked paranoia, the shallowness of self-styled "heroes" courting fringe audiences, and the absurd, sometimes tragic, arc of American right-wing subculture. Their banter provides comic relief amid the darkness, making the Dollop’s retelling both informative and wickedly entertaining.

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Transcript

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Dollop is about to turn 700 episodes old and we've decided to do a live three parter on our Patreon. So the episodes are going to get released regular in three parts. But if you want to see it all live with PE breaks, no doubt and probably some egg breaks for me, we are going to September 3rd at Tuesday. At Tuesday, starting at 3:30, we will be Pacific Standard time. We will be doing a live three part dollop. That's like five and a half hours. So you could tune in whatever you want, however you want to handle it. But if you're not on our Patreon, join our patreon patreon.com. the dollop would be my guess. Go there, you can join and be a part of it. It's going to be a low tier. I think it's. Is it the dollar or two dollars to join something like that. But you're going to be able to watch seven hours of the 703 part.

[Dave Anthony]

Dollop and James Adomian is our guest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. So James will be there for all of it. And I think it's an episode you're going to want to listen to.

[Dave Anthony]

Trust me, everyone's gonna want to hear this one. This is one people have been wanting for a long time and they're getting it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So join us for that.

[Dave Anthony]

And called it, quote, his jam pad. Jam pad. I'm the fucking hippo guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dave. Okay?

[Dave Anthony]

My name's Gary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My name's Gary. Wait, is it for fun?

[Dave Anthony]

And this is not gonna become the Tiggly podcast, okay?

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is like Adam on a five part confession. Now hit him with the P puppy. You both present sick arguments.

[Dave Anthony]

No sleep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tell Hippo.

[Dave Anthony]

Not sleep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tell Hippo. Action. Hi, Gabby. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Nicely done, my friend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. No. Rhoda. Rhoda in the corn.

[Dave Anthony]

You're listening to the Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast where each week I read a story from America.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's your name?

[Dave Anthony]

David Anthony reads a story from American history to the Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, we are actually approaching a problem. Officially a cease and desist has been served to you. I would like a new setup for my name. Please do that. Gareth Reynolds Schmidt, who has no idea why that got said to him.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, sometimes things happen in the studio and you can't really change it. You just got to go midstream. No, don't. We don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's the bathroom.

[Dave Anthony]

We. Yes. And here. Don't we?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, we don't. Not on that. No, sir.

[Dave Anthony]

Put my drink over there and we'll just kick. We'll just get right into this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not sure why that is important to anyone.

[Dave Anthony]

You up? So here's the deal. Bo GR Part three. Bo is now dipping his toes into politics. And he's running for president under the populist party with a guy who believes in lizards and whatnot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's beyond believing and lizards.

[Dave Anthony]

And then lizard people. Yeah, he went to meet one. But now Ruby Ridge happens. So Randy Weaver was convicted. Was. Sorry. Convinced. I should say this is. This is August 1992. I should have yelled the date. August 1992. Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bad today.

[Dave Anthony]

It's hard when you do three party. You forget to. Anyway, so Randy Weaver was convinced to sell two son of shotguns to an undercover ATF agent. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau didn't immediately arrest him. Instead tried to pressure him into becoming an informant against white supremacist groups like the Aryan Nation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For those wondering, there used to be a time when those groups were frowned upon and not militarized.

[Dave Anthony]

Randy, who was a bit of a white supremacist himself and someone who didn't want to be killed by Aryan Nation guys, sure refused to be an ark. So they indict him. And they then sent him the wrong court date. And when he missed the court date that he had not been told about, they acted as though he was purposely refusing to comply with the justice system.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So on August 21, 1992, six U.S. marshals entered the property to scout it before invading the cabin to arrest Weaver.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

On the scouting trip, one of them decided to shoot and kill the Weaver family dog.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is always a fun move for.

[Dave Anthony]

Law enforcement just a few thousand times a year. This act caused a firefight between the marshals family friend Kevin Harris and 14 year old Sammy Weaver. Sammy tried to run away, but the marshals shot the young teen in the back and killed him. Kevin Harris shot and killed the marshal who murdered the family dog. Then he was shot. The FBI hostage rescue team is called in the next day. And one of their snipers shot Randy's unarmed wife Vicki in the head, killing her instantly. She died with a baby in her arms right in front of her children. Crikey. So this leads to a nine day stand up between Randy and his young daughters against the FBI. After the FBI failed to de escalate the situation over several days, a local sheriff decided they needed a civilian who could talk to to these people the way they talk.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Who might be able to end this all peacefully.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth. They needed someone respected by fringe white supremacists. But one who didn't completely despise the entire government apparatus. Gareth. They needed bog rights.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

So the sheriff invites him up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cannot this dude.

[Dave Anthony]

Bo. And another top figure in the Christian Patriot movement arrived to cheers from. So there's right wing protesters there at this point. Like, once the. Once. It's the same as what was the first episode we did blm. Not, not. Not Black Lives Matter. The other blm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

First episode today of the dollop. Oh. Oh, fucking God. What's his name? People are freaking out.

[Dave Anthony]

So the Bundy range, it's the same thing. Once they hear there's a standoff, people, all these right wingers come from all over.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, this is it.

[Dave Anthony]

This is the battle we've been waiting. So that's what's happening. There's all these.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like someone takes out a conch shell, blows a horn. Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

So they've been camped out at the site for days when Bo and this other Christian Patriot guy arrived. They cheer, right? They're heroes there. At first, the FBI only let Bo record a message to Weaver, but Bo. Bo knew that wouldn't work. A message isn't gonna do shit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is a dude who walked into like a drug lord's foyer.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, don't say foyer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And he's like, I know. I have to speak to him live and in person. Like, it's the only way this will work.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm so much better live.

[Dave Anthony]

So he keeps offering to negotiate and the FBI is like, no, that's fucking dumb. So finally, Beau. And the Christian Patriot leader performs ceremonial citizens arrests on the FBI leadership.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, I've always loved Citizens Arrest. I didn't know you could do it to the FBI. So what is the rule there? Can I just do, like, can we just Citizens arrest?

[Dave Anthony]

It's not a thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think we can. Citizens arrest. Ice. Well, I think I'm placing you under arrest.

[Dave Anthony]

I think you could absolutely arrest a guy who's not identifying himself, wearing a mask, trying to throw you in a van. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I can't believe no one's been shot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, you see, that guy's gun got jammed.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, really?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. The Camarillo shit. Yeah, he is. He was. He, like, turned. They said he fired shots. He didn't, but he's like. He was about to.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's coming.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's coming. So I don't know what that. I don't know what that looks like or what exactly happens, but. So they Asked him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, what is the FBI's like, they got us. Well, they got us.

[Dave Anthony]

So they asked him what he could do that they're trained and experienced experts could not do. Quote. Well, I'm here talking to you and you're not talking to Randy Weaver, are you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

God, he's good. He's so good at this.

[Dave Anthony]

So they're just like whatever. Like what? There's nothing. It's been going on nine days. Like what? Might. Might as well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Well, the worst case scenario, Bo dies.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, worst case that happens is Bo gr.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's a real upside to them just shooting Bo in the head at this point.

[Dave Anthony]

So on Friday, August 28, 1992, an armed personnel carrier drove bow about 30 yards away from the Weaver cabin where Bo, he sat in there and he started yelling for Randy. But he doesn't hear anything in return. So he jumps out of this little mini tank thing and just walks up to the front door. Randy finally responded and Bo spent about an hour talking to Randy Weaver. And Bo soon built enough trust up to be let into the cabin. So he's right. No FBI guy was ever going to get to do that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Just shocking.

[Dave Anthony]

So both spoke with Randy face to face. He's calm, he's using reason. He's appealing to family and using religious language.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, there are lizard people would love to put you in contact. They're going to help you get out of this situation.

[Dave Anthony]

He was able to empathize with Weaver's distrust of the government and get through to him. And when Beau returned to the FBI after that first day, he could really only think of one thing to say. Quote Boys say. Quote Boy, you guys really screwed that one up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which they did. Yeah. Which obviously it's a colossal.

[Dave Anthony]

Like why are you shooting the kid? Why are you shooting the wife? Like what are you doing the dog? Like the whole thing is just fucking stupid. So then Bo walked down also. You could have just let wait till he left the house and arrested him. The whole.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, they. I mean that is. The whole thing is like the impulse to just. They have all the weapons, they have all the toys. They are dying to use this shit.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah, Bo. Then walk down the ridge to the assembled reporters, friends, neighbors and skinheads from across the country.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone here is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Remember, he's in the middle of a presidential campaign.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. By the way, this is quite a photo op.

[Dave Anthony]

And he, he threw an impromptu press conference. Quote, Vicki Weaver is dead. This is the first time anybody hears that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wow.

[Dave Anthony]

He tells the crowd. Protesters start to scream Things look like they were turning violent. And then Beau calmed the crowd, telling them he could peacefully get the remaining people out of the cab. So this is why you don't allow a guy who's outside of the system to do the joke. Well, he just goes and tells everybody what he. Yeah, And I guess it's okay because it's the truth, but also, like, it's. Yeah, but it's actually violent situation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I mean, but it's. It's a warranted violent situation. But again, I mean, there's nobody to root for right now.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but. But again, I definitely think you'd just be like, we're figuring things out. We'll let you know soon what's going on. Exactly. Vicki Weaver's dead. So is the dog and a child. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So he calms the crowd. He says he can. He can end this peacefully. And the next morning, the FBI negotiators slumped to the side as Bo strad into the. Just strode right into the cabin alone. They were just like, ah, fuck. The day prior. Because they know they're gonna look like shit in this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

But they gotta try to end it peacefully. Whatever. So the day prior, Beau learned that family friend Kevin Harris had been shot in the shoulder. And it looked bad. So Bo told Randy that he had to give Kevin up, that he needed to go to a hospital. Or if he didn't, Bo would testify against Randy because Kevin's death would be his fault. So it starts to work. Until Randy remembered that his girls didn't want Kevin to go. And Beau was like to Randy, he's like, you wear the pants in the family. You make the call.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't listen to women, dude.

[Dave Anthony]

And they both know what the right call is. So Randy nods. He's like, kevin can go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So when Beau finally saw Kevin, he thought he was so jaundiced from a lack of blood that he had maybe 12 hours to live.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Almost immediately, Kevin was in a helicopter and on his way to the hospital.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bo compared the negotiations to the games of fiddlesticks he played with his grandpa.

[Gareth Reynolds]

100%.

[Dave Anthony]

You have to pick up one stick at a time without disturbing the others. He knew his next poll had to be Vicki, the dead wife and mother of the Weaver family. She would be his key. Vicki had been lying in the kitchen for the past 11 days. You gotta let the meat really ache, Dave. The family was unable to process or cope with the fact that she, who obstacularly one of the hostages, was murdered by the men who claimed they Were trying to save her. Fair?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, completely.

[Dave Anthony]

Bo told Randy to think about his kids. How it was hell for them to see their mom laying dead on the floor of the kitchen. He said he'd bring in a body bag and remove her with honors so the kids didn't have to look at her anymore. So Randy Weaver relented. From the PBS article, American Experience, Ruby Ridge quote. In the war, Greitz had learned that fear was a thing you could smell, taste even. And when he walked to the cabin, the girls appeared to shrink. He thought that if they could have shrunk through the wall, they would have. They didn't trust him. He thought they probably expected him to shoot them. Well, yeah, Their mom got killed. Yeah. And their dad's a fucking crazy asshole. Yep. So the girls are wailing. Not a cry Greitz would have. Would make sure to say later, but wailing. And as he crossed to go down the stairs, they said, please don't let our mama touch the ground. And he said he wouldn't and he didn't. And he carried her all the way down. Jesus. I don't know what that means. Why would.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, wait. He carried her just like he carried the body. Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

But why would you not want her to touch the ground?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because you notice here, like, dragged.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think that's what they're talking about. I think they're not saying, don't drag her. I'm saying they just don't want her to touch the ground.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, they're probably like, don't drop her, I guess.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, they're. You know. They're probably also not operating from a normal headspace.

[Dave Anthony]

No, no. They probably got some issues at this point.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Juggle her the whole walk. Now you're getting a little lofty, kids.

[Dave Anthony]

The makeshift FBI headquarters, Beau said, was basically a frat house. There was junk everywhere. Chip bags, takeout containers, glass, plastic bottles. Beau thought it looked like a huge trash heap. And he felt almost ashamed as he laid Vicky's body down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God.

[Dave Anthony]

As soon as she touched the floor, the FBI agents, clad in black helmets, uniforms, swarmed like a wild stampede. They rushed forward, cameras in hand, snapping photo after photo of Vicki Weaver, all eyes on her. Beau figured that Randy and the girls could have walked straight out of the cabin and off the mountain without anyone noticing. At that point, they were also focused on Vicki. That's when the FBI commander told Bo, quote, if you don't get them out by noon tomorrow, we're taking them out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

So now they're it's like they're mad that she got killed by them when they clearly just shot her in the head. They must. Maybe they thought she was Randy and they. He mistook her and shot her instead. But either way, they just seem mad they did it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or that to some extent that he's doing the job so much better than them. But they're like, it's taking forever.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they're mad about that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on, dude. And this standoff that we caused. Quicker.

[Dave Anthony]

That night, Beau knew one of two things would happen the next day. Death or victory. He tried to sleep and finally fell asleep around 12am But a few hours later, something happened. He had a vision. Quote, I wasn't awake, but it wasn't a dream. In the vision, Bo saw himself in the cabin asking Randy to come out. But Randy wouldn't budge. Then at exactly noon, Randy opened the door with his girls in tow and he told his daughters, quote, get your things together. We're going to follow Colonel Bow down the hill. That's intense, Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

By the way, that's a dream.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. That's actually to. Jump in quick. That's what we call a dream. Yeah, that is. I wasn't awake. I wasn't asleep, but I was seeing stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

You were asleep?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, it was like I. I'd been in bed for a while.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And my eyes were closed.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But I saw the craziest.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's a dream. It's called the dream.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My eyes weren't open.

[Dave Anthony]

Right. That's what I mean. It's why it's a dream. Because you were sleeping.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I had a dream.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, I had a vision.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, interesting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I had a vision.

[Dave Anthony]

In a vision about a dream?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you have a dream vision?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I had a. I saw something.

[Dave Anthony]

A dream.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My eyes were closed.

[Dave Anthony]

Right. It's a dream.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I became a dolphin. Can you believe that? Yes. And I think that's going to happen.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think it is, man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll tell you what. I used to think night vision was a goggle.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

What do you think now?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Something that I only experience when I'm. I would not asleep, but I'm not awake.

[Dave Anthony]

I would love to figure out a way to stop you from dreaming, if that makes sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm not dreaming, right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or I'm having. I'm seeing stuff in the night.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. That's called a dream.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm having night stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You wouldn't get it.

[Dave Anthony]

I wouldn't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

One time. No, no, no, no. One time I Saw this vision in the night, that sex with this sex worker. And when I woke up, I'd made actual goo. Is that crazy?

[Dave Anthony]

I'm just gonna go on from vision.

[Gareth Reynolds]

From vision to sticky.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm gonna go on with what I'm doing. It's called the white dream. I'm gonna go on with what I'm doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But when a dream. Okay, I call it a wet vision. It was a vision, a mission.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what I mean? No, let's get that fist.

[Dave Anthony]

No, we're not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Give a touch.

[Dave Anthony]

Not fist bumping.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

Just as Bo was about to leave his hotel, he got a call and he picked it up, thinking it was going to be the FBI telling him not to show up, that they razzed the house with their tanks and burnt the evidence. Instead, it was Salt Lake City AM radio station ktalk asking Bo what's going on. What's going to happen today?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, Bo, how are you today? This is KTALK calling you real quick. We got your number. We just wanted to see how you're feeling today about the standoff. What are you thinking about this afternoon? And what is your tactic? What are you going to do next? Hey, geezer over here, kind of our color guy. He. He's wondering what it was like to carry that woman's dead body. Is that funny or fun or what was that like? That's right. We're giving away some concert tickets this week, and they'll be playing at the Pepsi Rock Stage. Pepsi Rock Stage. All the big names in rock. Even though we're am, we're not playing that stuff, so. Bo, are you there?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So what is it like when you walk into a. A house like that? Did you feel British when you walked into the kitchen and said this bloody kitchen. Did you feel like a Brit when you said that? Because there was a lot of blood over there. Huh?

[Dave Anthony]

It was horrible.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I bet it was. Listen, we're actually. We're wondering if you could stick around for a prank phone call real quick. We're doing the Thursday pranks. We really want to. What we're thinking is we're gonna call Randy and we're gonna have you prank him. But we want you to be the wife and say that you're still alive. God. We're having a good time.

[Dave Anthony]

It's time for traffic.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Time for traffic on the nines. We do it at every nine right now on the 9th Freeway. We're having a lot of issues. It seems to be that there's a smoke signal, but it seems to be all right. They're moving it down to one lane of traffic. You get through that, it'll be clear as sailor. Hey, that's rush hour here in whatever town we're at. Salt Lake.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bo tells them that exactly 12pm everything would be over. Randy and his daughter would safely emerge from the cabin and they'd all walk down the hill. And Kate Talk asked Beau how he knew that to be a fact. And Beau told him, and he had seen it in the vision. And the AM DJ responded, quote, well, let's check traffic. You thought it was a joke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gotta love it.

[Dave Anthony]

The worst people in the world all gliding together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know. It's like, honestly, this is just a who's who of shitbags this whole run.

[Dave Anthony]

When Beau got to the FBI headquarters, the commander reminded him, quote, you know what happens today at noon? So Beau's like, this is going to be over today no matter what. So once he got to the cabin, Randy told them that he and the girls had prayed all night and voted they would not be coming out. And the feds were going to have to kill him first, just like they did his son Sammy and his wife Vicki. Quote, no disrespect, but you might as well go home because we already made our decision. And Bo said, quote, weaver, damn you. Don't you tell me that you're not going to continue when I have carried your bride out of this cabin, when we've got out Kevin Harris, who is still alive. Don't you tell me you're going to quit now. Randy's daughters thought Beau was being pushy, but the pushiness. Yeah, but that's all he had left at this point. He had to get it done fast. He tried to tip down around. He had. So Bo keeps telling Randy that he had to leave and he had to do it by noon. They needed to trust him. So finally, he wears Randy down. And he told his daughters, quote, I believe this is what we need to do. And Randy's word was law. And this is exactly what Beau had seen in his vision.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When did you have the vision?

[Dave Anthony]

Hand to God, it was exactly like that vision.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When was the vision?

[Dave Anthony]

Last night.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What time?

[Dave Anthony]

It's like 3. 2:30am Something like that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You were sleeping?

[Dave Anthony]

No, it was dark. But I saw it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Eyes closed or open?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, closed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

No vision? Vision, dream, dream. I was night vision.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dream. No dream, no dream.

[Dave Anthony]

We can do this all. I mean, we should probably not do it afternoon after 12pm but. So I saw clearly. This is what I saw.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was a dream. I'M not leaving until you admit it was a dream.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, the girls and I are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The girls and I had another talk, and we're not leaving until you admit it was an actual dream.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, then you're gonna die when the vision was wrong.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'd rather us die than admit it was a dream?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bye. I love you. You're so good.

[Dave Anthony]

So Randy told the girls get their things. They were going to follow Colonel Bow down the hill. And Bo took Randy's hand and a massive grip as they walked down the hill and didn't let go until they were all the way at the bottom, where a helicopter was waiting to take Randy, who had himself been shot, to the hospital. The girl's grandparents took them and both thought it all worked out like a mathematical equation. That Albert Einstein would have been proud of him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I feel like he's. That's like me, like, citing history. He has no idea what he's talking about. He's like, this equation was so difficult to solve. Albie. Einstein would have loved it.

[Dave Anthony]

This is Einstein.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is Einstein stuff here.

[Dave Anthony]

Bo's success embarrassed the FBI and showed how communication and trust, not brute force, violence, could have prevented the tragedy from happening in the first place. And as he walked toward the crowd, the conquering hero, with the lens of every national network camera on him, hundreds of reporters present, middle of a presidential race. He is a fucking walking hero at this point. He sees a group of skinheads, and he gives him a Nazi salute.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Oh, no, Elon. Oh, no. Like, it's. That. It's not. I mean, it's not to say that it's not already strange. I mean, look, he's definitely. What a. What a. That decision making is so bad. He should be president. Oh, God damn.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me see how to find the photo. Oh, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Did I tell you at a show when I brought a guy up on stage and he Nazi saluted, like, as a joke.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, he thought it was funny.

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

He's definitely Nazi saluting because he's doing it right at skinheads. So that's what he's doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's very clear.

[Dave Anthony]

Despite clear photographic evidence of him doing a Nazi salute, Bo disputed the charge. Quote, I wanted to give a Nazi. I wanted to give a Nazi. If I wanted to give a Nazi salute, I certainly would have known how to give it, and I would have given it in a fashion that any good Nazi would have been proud of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is. Dude, that's exactly like Trump with that Epstein drawing where he said. And then that quote, trump goes. I never wrote that picture. I never wrote something like that. Oh, man.

[Dave Anthony]

Couldn't you just see him sketching that around the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, completely. He. He's. Yeah, we'll talk about it on the chalup. Patreon.com.

[Dave Anthony]

But the saga and his new status as a hero soon hit a roadblock. Right wingers, who so love Beau, the anti government, you know, fringe people who saw him as one of them, started turning on Beau because he had collaborated with the government.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, he did.

[Dave Anthony]

He did in their eyes. He worked with the FBI. The story. He didn't work with the FBI. He actually saved Weaver.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he like, circumvented the FBI.

[Dave Anthony]

But they wanted Weaver to go down, guns ablaze.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

They wanted that whole family dead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So they start to turn on Bo because of this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I'll tell you, what a weird, fickle group.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah. It's hard to believe that they don't have a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

Any honor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I know, but it's also like. It's like. That's just crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

In an article called the Ruby Creek Sabotage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

You're happy right now, aren't you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's the paper. Sign me up.

[Dave Anthony]

The writer called Bo a freemason and a political Pied piper was out to destroy the racial white movement. Beau, quote, the Aryan people were mad. They wanted Randall Weaver dead. They would have had their martyr. The media was mad. They wanted the Weavers up there in the little clapboard cabin as nothing but charred bones. That would have made a wonderful story. This must have been after Waco.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it would be, because that's why.

[Dave Anthony]

He keeps talking about burned.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

The truth is, a number of Weaver's neighbors were mad because they hated Weaver for whatever reason. A lot of people were mad because Weaver came out of there alive. And it just happened to be my misfortune that I got the Weaver family out alive with no more bloodshed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy, those fucking Nazis are so. It's like he gave a Nazi salute and you're not. And you're still like, fuck you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I mean, this is actually the first good thing he's done in the whole fucking. In the entire episodes and all. All three. It's the first good thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he did make a pow, if you remember that. He made a pow, you know, he's done some other stuff I think you're forgetting.

[Dave Anthony]

It's rare. So he goes back to his presidential campaign for September and October.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He only has two months, but he.

[Dave Anthony]

Did not use his newfound fame in the way most people in his position would. His Colorado campaign chairman woman complained, quote, the first week of October, GR Cancel an appearance on Larry King Live to speak to 50 people at the Liberty Lobby in Washington. No serious candidate for president of the US Turns down the opportunity to appear on a show that draws a viewing audience of 28 to 34 million people. That doesn't make sense at all. Yeah, because he doesn't actually want to be president. He just wants to be famous.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he's still. You still do Larry King.

[Dave Anthony]

True. Well, so maybe it is bothering him that. Maybe it is actually bothering him. That's peeled off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's out of his mind.

[Dave Anthony]

He's out of his mind.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's out of his mind and he's not thinking properly because he's out of his mind.

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

So, Trumpy.

[Dave Anthony]

So. Yeah, he is. So come November 4, the son of a bitch evaporated out of the patriot movement. What Bo Gritz does now is hawk his book and survival literature instead of getting in the face of Congress. And he tells people how to go and hide and store food.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Finally useful.

[Dave Anthony]

But I still think he. I still think you're right. He would have sold more books by going on Larry King. But okay, so the chairwoman also believed that campaign cash contributions were misused. His national chairman told her they didn't raise the 200,000 needed to qualify for federal matching funds. But she knew that Beau had collected 300,000 in his Nevada office alone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How the fuck is he not going to make 200,000 after Ruby rich?

[Dave Anthony]

It's bullshit. It's totally bullshit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, yeah, that woman said the N word and got a million.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah. So he couldn't make the ballot in California. Pretty much Almost every state. He couldn't make the ballot, but he still managed to get a hundred thousand, 106,000 votes. About 0.14 of the popular vote. He did much better in the Mormon parts of the country, Utah and Idaho. He got 4%, 2% Idaho. Fucking loons. So two months after the election, Bose said, quote, I'd rather have my mouth tied around the exhaust pipe of a bus and be drug all the way to Los Angeles than get into any political arena. I hate politics. I hate politicians. They belong on the bottom of the floor of the ocean with the whale manure. Gareth, tell me about the whale manure. You're a, you're a animal guy. Big piles of whale manure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I highly doubt that it sinks.

[Dave Anthony]

Do they all go to the, do they all poo at the same place and it drifts down?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think that it's whale manure pile. I do not think that it sinks.

[Dave Anthony]

So there's a big whale manure pile.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I do not think that it sinks.

[Dave Anthony]

Do they do the, the submarines, the deep submarines, the bathysphere, I think, is that what they're called? But the, the deep submarines, did they go down and find the whale manure?

[Gareth Reynolds]

There is a new theory that the Titan submersible was knocked down by a giant whale ship.

[Dave Anthony]

Thank you. So we'll be right back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you everybody.

[Dave Anthony]

Beau poured his energy into his day long Spike seminars.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They finally got a show on Spike.

[Dave Anthony]

Specifically prepared individuals for key events.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh God. You know what? I loathe acronyms. Now Gary Busey has ruined acronyms. And they were already done, but now it's over. Stop. Stop.

[Dave Anthony]

He taught people that there are four phases that Americans who would like to continue to live as free individuals will face. Phase one, awareness. That's what he raised by running for president. Awareness. Phase two, preparation. Learning to live self reliant in spite of the government. How you can survive riots and storms and earthquakes and volcanoes. Phase three, relocation. Moving to a safer place away from the riots and the storms and the earthquakes and the volcanoes. Where people can't, quote, come in here and tread on us.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And phase four, defense. A showdown with the godless new world order.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just hang in. Phase three.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we don't need to. Shut up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Get yourself a bunch of jams and jerkies and just move.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. So Bo had done phases one and two. So it's time for phase three. And he went to FEMA and got a list of all the phase three, which is he went to relocation. Fema. What Is that that was a thing we used to have Federal Emergency Management Administration, which would help people in natural disasters, but now, uh, doesn't really exist.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, at least the states can afford it.

[Dave Anthony]

And he got a list of places where natural disasters might hit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is hilarious.

[Dave Anthony]

He took out a map and began crossing out parts that had riots or potential for riots, firestorms, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and of course, volcanoes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The volcanoes one is hilarious to me.

[Dave Anthony]

The only place left was a tinny sliver of map. Rhode island in northern Idaho.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's going back.

[Dave Anthony]

Which, if you know anything about the Yellowstone caldera, that's a terrible place to be. Bo circled it and a name called to him immediately.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. God, no.

[Dave Anthony]

Almost heaven. Jesus Christ. Beau promised this wasn't a militia or waco.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God's probably close to suing him at this point for infringement.

[Dave Anthony]

So he promises not a militia or Waco situation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's like that. Like on date one being like, I'm not a date rapist. You have nothing to worry about when it comes to that.

[Dave Anthony]

And the only rule for living there was that anyone who moved in had to agree to a constitutional covenant, which is basically a neighborhood watch group, but for your and your neighbor's constitutional rights.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, so a neighborhood watch he invented.

[Dave Anthony]

Sounds stupid. It was soon full of about 60 or so families.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You could get 60 people to do anything.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, now this is right when the Y2K fear is hitting. So a lot of those people are trying to survive the coming Y2K apocalypse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like it was.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, my dad was part of it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is called Y2K. You say? Dad was a big into it.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah. He did a whole thing for a long time. He was eating all the cans of Dindy Moore stew that he had.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nothing like that Canadian Miss Ditzy Moore bowel movement.

[Dave Anthony]

I went into his apartment and in the spare bedroom he had now had two giant water tanks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

As you were like, what's going on?

[Dave Anthony]

He originally he thought he convinced a guy who had a cabin up in the woods that they would go there. And then the guy was like, no, I didn't know you were serious, like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But I brought two water things.

[Dave Anthony]

And then right after the day after I call him up, I go, so how'd your. How'd your apocalypse. It's going to be a slow degradation. I was like, okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are the worst person to have call after the Y2K. Let down, had a guy. Good thing you had all that dinty more.

[Dave Anthony]

You can have a lot of dinty more for weeks, aren't you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go. Boy, I hope you like Dinty more by the way, if you're gonna hit the apocalypse.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

It was Dinty Moore. As they're like, oh yeah, that's the one. I mean, I'll just get spaghetti. I mean if we're just talking about stuff near it. Spaghettios. He was like, dinty Moore. I like that beef.

[Dave Anthony]

So Almost Heaven hit some snags pretty quick. First, the co founder was caught mismanaging a million dollars in land sales funds. Then Beau was approached by Linda Wiggin, a woman in the community. And she told him that her ex husband had taken their kids and was molesting them for Satan. Which is exactly what happened.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. No, she's dead.

[Dave Anthony]

God damn it. You're pulling all my strings.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on now you figure that out in house. That's not what we're doing over here.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bo didn't like that. He was very upset about that. So he and his son Jim decided they were going to put a stop to it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We need to go get him out. It's a pow.

[Dave Anthony]

So they snuck onto the grounds of the kids school where they were immediately flagged as threats and arrested because they were two adult men creeping around a school.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, ma', am. I understand you don't know who I am. I'm a war hero and I'm from Almost Heaven. And we're here to rescue those girls. As I'm about to say. What I'm about to say is because the father is touching the girls because in the name of Satan, he's a lizard. I'll handle this. Don't say that right now. I'll handle this. So we just need to go find the girls and we need to get them out of there because their home is an unsafe lizard. No, we're not. We're not. No one again, Jimmy is going a little off. You okay? All right, now what? Jesus Christ. Stop that.

[Dave Anthony]

Dad. You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Put your head down.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. We. What we were. Boy, I'll tell you what, if I were you, I would look like your face does right now. But what we're trying to say is we're not anti Jew and we don't. I was.

[Dave Anthony]

You told me that the lizard.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not now. While we acknowledge the lizard people, we're not representing them in any way. The last one I met was nine and a half feet, if you'll believe that. She was bigger than the commander. The girls are being molested by their devil dad and I need to get them out. So again, I'm From Almost Heaven. I think we do have a business card with you. Hand to hand. The lady when she looks crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Probably did have business.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How are you doing? I'm from Almost Heaven.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth. It turns out the father had full custody because the mother was batshit crazy. They were charged with attempted kidnapping.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They gotta go back to the school. I just want to say I am real sorry. Turns out the dad not molesting him on behalf of the devil. You believe this? Mom had lost her marbles. So. So the girls are good to go home with dad. Keep them away from mom is the new. Is the new thing.

[Dave Anthony]

So Jim was charged with having a concealed knife, and they were put in jail. And Beau had to take out $100,000 loan to make bail. Well, quote, getting involved with the Linda Wiggin case was the biggest mistake of my life. But you know what? There's been so many bigger mistakes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he's just finally paying the tab for 800 dine and dashes.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah. But I wanted to protect those boys. In a massive stroke of luck, they were acquitted of all the charges. Bo may have survived his brush with the law, but his marriage to Claudia, the woman he met doing karate when she was 16 years old, didn't. She had grown tired of Bo's antics.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Name one thing he's done that's weirder enough.

[Dave Anthony]

Imagine being 16 and wasting your life with this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, just realizing, like, bro.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, God. What did I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

She was especially against his plan to go into the North Carolina forest to find the Atlanta Olympic bomber, who, by the way, was never in the forest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And also wasn't the bomber.

[Dave Anthony]

And they also thought he was another guy that it wasn't. Why are you going to the forest when they think that they've got the guy?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wasn't he, like, at the fairgrounds?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they thought he was a security guard.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, he's living with the Keebler elves. We'll get him. We'll get him.

[Dave Anthony]

But Bo is adamant.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He made a nest like a bird. He's sitting up there like a red breast.

[Dave Anthony]

Bo is adamant. He and his volunteer band of 86 men. So he's got a posse of 86. Jesus Christ could search every limestone cave and find him. They did not. And three weeks later, Claudia divorced him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because of the caves. Claudia, I could have sworn he was in there. I still think he might be. We didn't go super deep into a couple of them.

[Dave Anthony]

So because he got divorced, the Mormon Church excommunicated.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This just. He keeps putting his hand in the wrong.

[Dave Anthony]

We are going we are on the tailspin of boat. Right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bo does not take it well that they are. By the way. This suddenly sounds better because we had to redo this part.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Weeks later.

[Dave Anthony]

Weeks later.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So if we sound older, too.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bo doesn't take the divorce well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Shortly after, Beau put on his dress uniform, which is just a dress with the 60 plus medals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Which I showed you the other day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah. Biggest cubs got in the army.

[Dave Anthony]

And they're all in. They're all in one pocket.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

They're like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, yeah, yeah. He's saving room for the other. The other.

[Dave Anthony]

The other side. And he drove down the highway and he got out of his car and he sat down and he probably fell out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He was probably weighted down so much by the metals on the left side. He fell out.

[Dave Anthony]

Every time he opened his car door, he would follow. He also couldn't walk straight.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he was. Yeah, he had that. Yeah. Like Trump going down that red carpet.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he sat down, he shot himself in the chest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, let's get the. Now he definitely did the side without the metals.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because that side. Maybe that side would be bulletproof. No, you're right. It's very. Message. Heavy chest shot is just.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yo, that's. That's the message.

[Dave Anthony]

But that's also. That's a message. One that, like, if you want to, you go ahead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

That's. But to shoot yourself in the chest is to, like, I hope someone finds me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maybe. But it's also a way to say, like, I wanted pain.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I'm hurting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or. Unless you're in the NFL, then you're saying, study my brain. I was taken advantage of. And I want proof that the horrible nightmare trauma that I've been living through is caused by being lied to by doctors. Doctors.

[Dave Anthony]

But he lived.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And Bo started getting into it afterwards. After he got back to health, he started getting into it with a faction of hardcore racist separatists in Almost Heaven who he called Noodles, which I think is a great thing to call people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it's tough for a guy like you because you're a big pasta guy. We were just talking about this. So you. That's. That's a cute name.

[Dave Anthony]

They call me Noodles Anthony.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't stay mad at them. They're Noodles. It's like if the KKK was called Capri Sun, I'd be like, wow.

[Dave Anthony]

He liked to call anybody who was more out there than him a noodle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

That was just. So he once called the group of campaign supporters. A whole pot of noodles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A whole wait. Of his campaign supporters?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. Well, of course.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's like. He's kind of like, where to get. Where? Noodles.

[Dave Anthony]

No, he's known about. It's a term of my camp. My followers are even more out there than I am.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You budget noodles.

[Dave Anthony]

Not in a good way, but I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's hard for me to say it in a serious way.

[Dave Anthony]

You noodle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See what happened just now? You did not prove any point in your direction or favor.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, noodle, stop it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I'm like, what? It's like a clown's mad at me.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, like a pot of noodles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You can't do it. You're trying really hard. It's like. It would be the worst audition. Walks in, he's furious. He knows the jig is up. He only has one thing to say to his friend. Joe, you noodle cat. We gotta change a word. It's just. It's comical. It's terrible. All right, listen, Noodles, tonight we strike. Can't do it.

[Dave Anthony]

Get your pesto on, boys. We're going full noodle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, Noodles. Like, it really just sounds like what a dog walker calls his dogs.

[Dave Anthony]

It's genuinely.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come here, you. Noodles. It's a clown name.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, so after the divorce, suicide attempt, the kidnapping snafu where he went to try to kidnap the kids at school. Not being allowed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boy, you're really looking back when you add it up.

[Dave Anthony]

Not being allowed to be a Mormon. And now because he got kicked out of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is this the tombstone?

[Dave Anthony]

He got booted from being a Mormon for the divorce. He.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, Mormons. Complete noodles.

[Dave Anthony]

Total noodles. He had had enough. He moved out of Almost Heaven and he moved back to Nevada.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Almost Hell.

[Dave Anthony]

Almost Heaven would only survive another five years or so. And then it went under, if you can imagine. It was such a great idea.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You mean it went up?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. Well, there are a bunch of noodles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ascended Lord. A bunch of noodles have just entered the clouds. Oh, good Lord. Good me.

[Dave Anthony]

So once he's in Nevada, he creates the Fellowship of Eternal Warriors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Such a. That is. Sounds like an organization. Your father would have. Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

100. Absolutely. If there was drinking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was gonna say. Yeah, like Canadian Mist. Was that what it was?

[Dave Anthony]

What do we got, a bar car? What are we doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Far car.

[Dave Anthony]

And he wrote bulletins like this. Quote, look to those who are openly Antichrist. Who in the world is promoting abortion, pornography, pedophilia, godless laws, adultery, New Age international banking, entertainment industry and world publishing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Banking One might be the only one that makes sense. The bacon was the only one where I'm like. That actually does kind of fester poorly. God, they just, you know, it's. It's always just a litany of personal choice that affects nobody but them.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, it's like, if I want to do X in my world, in my life, that's like such a huge issue.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wouldn't you rather just be like, look, you're gonna go to hell? Like, I. That's what I would do. I. I was in wherever. I was in like Maryland somewhere doing stand up, and I was. There was a. Someone on the show who was extremely religious and had extreme religious views and would say things that were very displeasing to anyone who wants an open, fair society. But the thinking was, well, what am I gonna do? They're gonna go to hell. And I'm like, well, that good. Just go around and think that instead of trying to change everything.

[Dave Anthony]

Right. They're gonna go to hell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Place on the ground or whatever.

[Dave Anthony]

Why are you trying to stop it all if we're going to hell?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. It's like, okay, then you'll be there without them. What the. You care?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Wow. That got weird. I mean, you got it too.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I shouldn't have. It just got so anti woman.

[Dave Anthony]

So Barry, Bo meets and marries another woman. This. This one's more age appropriate.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Give her the old noodle.

[Dave Anthony]

She helped him join the Church of Israel, which.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is a decision that's aged phenomenal.

[Dave Anthony]

It is a splinter group off the Mormon Church, which officially incorporates identity Christianity.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mormon spin off is Mormon spinoff.

[Dave Anthony]

Not great, not good. It's basically the same thing Beau believed in before, except they added being anti vax and sovereign citizens to the whole thing. Sovereign citizens are the best. That's the best one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Because they're not my country.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You can't text me. Oh, you can't. No. Oh, can you arrest me? No, I'm not. I'm. I'm free.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm like a fairy here. I don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't believe in rules while I'm on American soil. I don't participate.

[Dave Anthony]

In 2003, Bo went to Florida to once again stop a standoff. But this one between a feeding tube and Terry Schiavo.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This.

[Dave Anthony]

This was the beginning.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. That. I think we maybe alluded to that in the first round of this.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was a. It was a shocking overreach of right wingedness.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bill Frist, a senator slash doctor, not dealing with patients in the Terri Schiavo. How would you concisely explain to people who don't know what the Terri Schiavo case was?

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, well, I have it right here. It's a woman. Terry is a woman in a persistent vegetative state who had become. So she's. She's never going to come back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The thing is that I guess a vegetative state, I think when you think about it, is that you're like, that person is sleeping. Terry Schiavo had.

[Dave Anthony]

I know. I don't think that at all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's like what I would have thought.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, really?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. If I heard like a vegetable like that was the term.

[Dave Anthony]

She's like in a. She's like in a comatose state and never coming out of it. Like she's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But there was like, eyes were open and there was like movement. And that was what really opened the. The box to Bill Frist and the lunatic Republicans being like. I could see in her eyes she wants to live.

[Dave Anthony]

And there was also that other reverend guy. Oh, God, I can't remember his name. Whatever. It was all really. It was just a collection of all the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was a pro. It was pro life on a level that should have been stopped.

[Dave Anthony]

I really think it was. This was one of the first things driven by the Internet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

For the right. I really think it was. So she's a persistent vegetative state and then she's like this national lightning rod over end of life decisions. Right. So the quarter ruled that Terry's husband could have the feeding tube removed, stating that she wouldn't have wanted prolonged life support without consciousness. But her parents objected.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's right.

[Dave Anthony]

So the. So he had to go to court to. To make it happen over what the parents wanted.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bo, of course inserts himself into the situation. He has to. He's Bo Gritz.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Who else is needed here?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

He shows up with citizens arrest warrants. Oh, the best for the judge.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, what a start.

[Dave Anthony]

The Florida attorney general.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're under arrest. You're under arrest. The husband, you, Sarah, obviously under arrest. You're trying to kill your wife.

[Dave Anthony]

And of course, Governor Jeb Bush.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bush, get in here. Who am I? Bo Nix, police department. My own mind.

[Dave Anthony]

Grits.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Grits. Nick's is a football player. Bo Gritz, police officer. In my own brain, I too am in a vegetative state. Just one. That is a little more. There's a little more mobility. How the does this dude who shot himself in the goddamn chest come over here and push? Like dude. Life rights.

[Dave Anthony]

It's so crazy now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jeb Bush is a piece of.

[Dave Anthony]

Who once worked for the CIA. He donated to Bo's campaign a decade, decade before. Well, talk about now. You're regretting that donation, aren't you, now that you're being arrested and put it and put in Bo Kourt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, Brocourt, My buddy Berg and I watched the 20. The 2020 or the 2016? First Republican or second Republican debate where Trump just went off.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And I mean the assault that is taking place on Jeb Bush while at the cost of our futures. For sure.

[Dave Anthony]

It was a takedown.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So satisfying.

[Dave Anthony]

It was a takedown. Well, they are right in that they always acted like Bush protected us from terrorism, but he was the guy who was in charge when we had our worst terrorist act ever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So he didn't protect us.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Trump can be right about the Bushes and also the worst thing that's ever happened.

[Dave Anthony]

True. So the feeding tube is removed and Bo was arrested for misdemeanor trespassing after attempting to enter the hospice facility against the wishes of even her parents.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And we act. Nobody's on your side. I don't worry. I know what I'm doing.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm taking everybody down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't worry. I just placed Terry Schiavo under citizen's arrest. Bo, I've also arrested myself.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, I rested the bed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've arrested the toilet. The bed. A lot of stuff's going on.

[Dave Anthony]

The feeding tube is arrested.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The feeding tube's been under arrest for a while. I'm holding it for questioning right now.

[Dave Anthony]

No, not the feeding tube.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wait. Put the tube back in. Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

So after that, bow relatively quiet on the national scene.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Or at least unable to get headlines like he used to. Like, people were just kind of like for him. Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's worse than anything. Starving.

[Dave Anthony]

We get it. Lived on an abandoned lives on an abandoned airfield.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

In Sandy Valley, Nevada, with his age appropriate wife, Judy. Over the sunset years, he rode his motorcycle, flew his Cessna. He was active in his local American Legion post.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's basically like a Calis commercial.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He's like an old guy. Yeah. He taught karate and recorded an Internet radio show called Freedom Call. Oh, also there's a podcast, but back then they were literally radio shows. You can no longer find Freedom Call, which is sad, but you can find some of his Spike videos for free at Bo Grits Us. He's not in them. He's still alive or. No, I think he's dead. I think he just died. I think. I think when this got written, he was Alive, Really? But I do believe he just died. Yeah. Let me. Let me look. I thought he. Oh no, he's still alive. Never mind. He's still alive.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm wrong. This is awesome. This is Spike 1 tape 1 of 3.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Of training videos known as Spike. Spike is an acronym. It stands for specially prepared individuals for key events. When 911 cannot or will not for whatever reason, respond to your distress, then this training will prepare you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sounds like he wants to defund the police.

[Dave Anthony]

To take care of yourself and those that love and depend upon you. Your family, your church members, your neighborhood. When you consider Hurricane Andrew, 911 couldn't respond to the many calls. If there were any telephone lines left up. When you take a look at the riots in la, consider the floods of the Midwest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Literally everything that's happening. We need both storms that went through.

[Dave Anthony]

The Northeast with all of their ice, ice, ice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, so appropriate. All right, well, the audio quality. Quality is good there. So he's still with us.

[Dave Anthony]

He's still with us. He's 86. When looking back at his life and career, Bo summed it up, quote, I'm very glad that things went the way they did. I wouldn't want to be a general in the Pentagon today with a. No. With no goonads sitting there having been. Oh God, he called them goonads.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Sitting there having been castrated of my initiative or any real talent that I might have.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Research by Josh Androwski. Sources of Revolution, of Small Guns by Adam Parfait, San Diego Reader. Prisoners of Hope by Susan Katz Keating and Ruby Ridge, Part 3, Fear and Faith by Corey Brassellan, PBS. That's it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know it. It's funny because I. Like you said we had some audio issues. So we obviously. So we. We had to come back and re record this part. But in the interim, I realized those. I'd always seen those POW MIA flags everywhere. And I never really made the connection.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that. Is that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I mean that was always kind of a thing, but I think he really made it big. Like, I think.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because those are everywhere now.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And that really is like. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can you imagine a flag being built on lies?

[Dave Anthony]

Wow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's nuts, man.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The research for that statement was done by Josh Androsky. Also the article Palmia Flag Lie Correlation by Alice Concaros and the. The Lead up to the Thought by Frenchie Magoo. Clown pants. Cut. Hello there, doll heads. You know who it is. It's Gareth Reynolds from the Dollop Doll Head Guy Hey, I got some shows I'd love to tell you about. Please come out and join me on the road. I will be in Bozeman, Montana September 5th September 6th then I'm going to Kansas City Comedy Club of Kansas City September 26th September 27th I'll be in Columbia, Missouri September 29th. I will be in Brookfield or Milwaukee September 30th October 1st Appleton, Wisconsin Fort Wayne, Indiana October 3rd. There will be two shows there. Then I will be on October 4th Chicago the Den Theater. Two shows. I will be recording a special. It is time. Go to garethreynolds.com for tickets and information but please join me the Den October 4th. It's a big deal. After that I'll be rooster t feathers 11-6-7, 8th all that stuff. Gareth reynolds.com also in LA I am doing some smaller shows. I will be at the lyric Theater on September 13th. I'll be at the Lyric Theater September 16th and then I will be at the Ice house in Pasadena September 17th. Go to my socials. All that stuff. I'll be posting about it but October 4th Chicago let's party.