700 - Bill Clinton - Part One

Summary

The Dollop #700: Bill Clinton – Part One

Podcast: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Date: September 9, 2025
Guest: James Adomian
Episode Theme:
A raucous, irreverent, and insight-packed dive into the early life and political rise of Bill Clinton. Comedians Dave Anthony, Gareth Reynolds, and guest James Adomian chronicle Clinton’s journey from his tumultuous childhood through to his first election as US President, highlighting formative events, notorious controversies, and the mercurial beginnings of his and Hillary’s partnership.

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Main Theme / Purpose

The episode traces Bill Clinton’s origins, family background, personal eccentricities, and political ascent. In their signature Dollop style—a blend of storytelling, historical context, satire, and improv—the hosts dissect both Clinton’s complicated morality and the formative cultural moments that shaped his politics. Key themes include the Clinton family dysfunction, Bill’s relentless ambition (personal and professional), the machinations of Southern politics, and the roots of his scandal-prone persona.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Early Childhood and Family Influence

• Bill’s birth and absent father:

  • Bill Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III) is introduced, with details about his father dying in a car crash before Bill's birth ([06:15]).
  • Family dysfunction: Bill’s mother, Virginia, marries Roger Clinton, a flashy, violent, alcoholic car salesman ([09:35]).
  • Chaotic upbringing marked by domestic abuse, instability, and poverty in Arkansas, with major impacts on young Bill’s psyche.

• Bill’s coping mechanisms:

  • Childhood coping (eating habits, need for approval, obsessive pursuit of achievement) ([12:22]).
  • Early intelligence and political ambition—dressing in a suit at age 8, “just took over the school” ([13:08]).

2. Academic & Early Political Ambition

• Early leadership:
  • Class president roles, junior American Legion program to DC (where he meets JFK), reinforcing his political aspirations ([15:32]).
• Slick political style starts young:
  • Brings cheer squads/musicians for student body president campaigns ([18:02]).
  • Fixation on GPA and credentials with peers—"He’d sometimes ask what their GPA was" ([18:41]).

3. Draft Evasion, Oxford & The Art of the Clinton Deal

• Draft and Vietnam years:
  • Clinton’s elaborate gamesmanship to avoid the draft: securing a delayed ROTC spot through political favors, only to ditch it once the risk passes ([27:41], [29:50]):

    "Bill played the draft like a chess player and withdrew his deferment only when he thought it was safe to do so." — Dave ([30:13]).

• Clinton’s social life at Oxford:
  • The infamous “didn’t inhale” defense for marijuana use ([25:57]).
  • Frenetic social networking—connecting with every Arkansan in England.

4. Meeting Hillary & The Shaping of a Power Couple

• Stalking to partnership:
  • Bill’s awkward, persistent pursuit of Hillary Rodham in law school, leading to their first meeting ([31:35]).
• Hillary’s background:
  • Raised a Republican Goldwater Girl turned Democratic activist; legal aid for children and the poor ([33:03], [34:01]).
• Troubled yet strategic relationship:
  • Regular, intense fights; recurring infidelities and the couple’s endurance through political calculation ([42:03], [44:50]).
• Early Arkansas political career:
  • Bill’s law school professorship and reputation among black students ("Wonder Boy" ([37:43])).

5. First Political Rises & Scandals

• First electoral races:
  • Loss in his first Congressional run, then easily winning Attorney General and Governor ([49:02], [51:09]).
  • Triangulation begins: "So he's running to the right of all the other Dems." ([50:07]).
• Whitewater beginnings:
  • Early partnership (and dubious investment) with Jim and Susan McDougal in property schemes ([52:03]).

6. Governorship: Pragmatism, Caution, and Scandals

• Permanent campaign:
  • Adoption of a "permanent campaign" approach—always shaping the public narrative, setting the foundation for ’90s-era Democratic politics ([77:39]).
• Education reforms:
  • Push for teacher competency tests and attracting big corporations like Walmart into Arkansas, to mixed labor reviews ([79:22]).
• Arkansas blood plasma scandal:
  • Shocking account of the Cummins Prison plasma scheme selling infected inmate blood—killing thousands globally—a scandal poorly investigated and swept under the rug by state officials and Clinton ([80:00]-[88:03]).

    "The Arkansas Department of Corrections plasma business would sicken and/or kill thousands of people with HIV, hepatitis B and hepatitis C." — Dave ([87:23])

7. Relentless Womanizing and the Clintons’ Arrangement

• Open secrets:

  • State troopers dispatched to proposition women for Bill; Hillary not only aware but seeming to tolerate (if resent) the affairs ([88:18]-[90:19]).

    "It was an early version of open marriage." — Dave ([89:57])

• Use of prison labor:

  • Hillary’s candid admission of using black prisoners (as slave labor) to staff the Governor’s mansion, referencing the 13th Amendment loophole ([90:41]).

8. The Road to the Presidency

• Comeback after defeat:

  • Losing and regaining the governorship; adopting the art of the political apology without actual contrition ([72:14]-[74:42]).

• DLC New Democrat pivot:

  • Pushed the Democrats to the corporate center, closer to Reaganism, and away from unions and New Deal progressivism ([97:48]-[98:39]).

    "New Democrat: what we mean is the older Democrat that predates Franklin Roosevelt—back when it was a right wing party." — James ([98:01])

• Presidential campaign themes:

  • Runs on "health care for all,” but never single payer; centrist “hand up, not handout” rhetoric; tough on crime posture ([99:31], [100:03]).
  • Emphasizes “It’s the economy, stupid” during the 1992 election, with Al Gore as running mate ([108:48]).

• Infamous controversies:

  • Jennifer Flowers affair, “stand by your man” 60 Minutes moment ([104:40]-[105:39]).
  • Strategic support for executing mentally disabled inmate Ricky Ray Rector to demonstrate toughness on crime, a decision widely condemned post-fact ([102:17]-[103:50]).

• Win in 1992:

  • Ultimately wins via skilled campaigning, centrist pivots, and unique three-way race with Ross Perot allowing for a path to the White House ([109:25]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Clinton’s upbringing:

  "Is it weird I already feel bad for Bill Clinton?" — Gareth ([10:36])

• On Bill’s charisma:

  “He had a way of making you feel you were the most important friend in his life.” — Ascribed to Bill by a classmate ([24:48])

• Womanizing methods:

  “He used them [state troopers] to proposition women.” — Dave ([88:18])

• On Dem triangulation:

  "He is now for it: when someone is beating you over the head with a hammer, don't sit there and take it—take out a meat cleaver and cut off their hand." — Dave, paraphrasing lines used in Clinton campaign ([71:48])

• On the prison blood plasma scandal:

  "The Arkansas Department of Corrections plasma business would sicken and/or kill thousands of people with HIV, hepatitis B and hepatitis C..." — Dave ([87:23])

• On the Clintons’ arrangement:

  "It was an early version of open marriage." — Dave ([89:57])

• On New Democrats:

  “New Democrat: what we mean is the older Democrat that predates Franklin Roosevelt—back when it was a right wing party.” — James ([98:01])

• On the DLC pivot:

  "This is what sets it all in motion." — Dave ([99:19])

• On post-defeat Clinton:

  “He couldn’t handle people not liking him.” — Dave ([67:13])

• Hillary’s stand by your man moment:

  "It was like, stand by your man... her being there shields him from what could have been a lot worse." — Dave ([105:33])

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Important Timestamps

• 06:15–10:00: Bill’s birth and family trauma, setup for chaotic childhood.
• 12:22–15:32: Early intelligence, school success, and political ambition.
• 27:41–30:16: Clinton’s draft dodging maneuvers and political maneuvering.
• 31:35–35:00: Meeting Hillary and development of their partnership.
• 42:03–46:13: Early displays of relationship dysfunction and infidelity.
• 49:02–51:14: Entry into statewide office, initial winning streak.
• 52:03–53:05: Founding of Whitewater with the McDougals.
• 77:39–78:14: On the permanent campaign and its impact on the Democratic Party.
• 79:22–80:04: Education reforms, labor relations.
• 80:00–88:03: Arkansas prison plasma scandal.
• 88:18–90:19: Troopers running sexual errands for Clinton, the open secret, and marital arrangement.
• 97:48–99:00: Emergence of the “New Democrat,” DLC philosophy, and Clinton’s nomination.
• 102:17–103:50: Execution of Ricky Ray Rector—its political context and historical verdict.
• 108:48–109:25: 1992 campaign catchphrase and victory.

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Tone & Style

• Language: Raucous, irreverent, littered with running gags and sharp asides (“I think he's our horniest president,” “[Hillary’s] strict policy to send them back to prison if they broke the rules,” etc.).
• Impression-heavy banter: James Adomian provides spot-on, darkly comic impressions of Bill, Hillary, JFK, and others.
• Dark humor: Wry takes on everything from Arkansas politics to grisly scandals; nothing above ridicule, but underpinned with detail and indictment.
• Self-aware skepticism: The hosts call out the hypocrisy of the era’s politics and their own frustrations with modern centrism.

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Conclusion

Part One of The Dollop’s Bill Clinton dive gives a nuanced, hilarious, and deeply unsettling look at the traumas and ambitions that propelled Bill (and Hillary) Clinton to power. The episode reveals unsettling contradictions between public persona and private conduct—foreshadowing controversies that would define Clinton’s presidency—while also drawing a sharp line from his formative years in Arkansas to the re-centering of the Democratic Party. For listeners, it’s both a crash course in late-20th-century American politics and a relentless comedy of errors.

Transcript

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah.

[Dave Anthony]

Hello Governor. Hello Governor. Hello Governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello Governor.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello governor.

[Dave Anthony]

Hello Governor. Like a spicy meatball. Hello Governor. Hello Governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

HELLO GOVERNOR.

[Dave Anthony]

Hello Governor. Hello Governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[James Adomian]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

August 19th, 1946. William Jefferson Blyth III.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Didn't know that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Already known as Billy, was born in Hope, Arkansas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

His mom, Virginia, was a 23 year old nurse. His dad died in a car accident three months before he was born.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wow.

[James Adomian]

There's conspiracy theories that I was behind that. Anyone who is a witness to that will end up dead on a train track.

[Dave Anthony]

I did not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We know that Hillary is behind his death. Hillary killed Bill's death three months before he was born.

[James Adomian]

In utero. In utero. The Clinton death machine was working.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bill's mom and dad met when his dad brought his girlfriend to the hospital his mom was working at. And then he immediately dumped his girlfriend and got together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So no need for any sort of DNA test. We know it's like his dad.

[James Adomian]

Well, so he was conceived in a. In an affair in the maternity ward.

[Dave Anthony]

Basically. It began. Well, so they got together and got married pretty quickly, but he was already married.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

So he had a girlfriend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he had mistress. And then he met a mistress. Mistress, yeah. Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

He routinely impregnated married and abandoned women.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that's cool.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Yeah. He's a pollinator.

[Dave Anthony]

Virginia was his fourth or fifth wife. We're not sure.

[James Adomian]

What's the dad's name?

[Dave Anthony]

The dad's name. The nude. The. The. The guy who died is Jefferson. William Jefferson Blythe ii.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So Billy and his mom moved in with her parents, Edith and Eldridge. And at one point she left Billy with them and went to New Orleans to study to become a nurse. Anesthesia.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And then she met a guy named Roger Clinton.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wait, I'm confused.

[Dave Anthony]

I know you are, but it's early for you to be confused. But also. I know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, well, your attitudes.

[Dave Anthony]

What. What are you confused about?

[Gareth Reynolds]

So his mom.

[Dave Anthony]

He had the base.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's with his mom's parents.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then she goes to New Orleans and meets. And meets Roger Clinton.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

So his dad was Blythe. Mr. William Blythe.

[Dave Anthony]

That is correct. William Blythe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, gotcha. Not the gotcha. Gotcha.

[James Adomian]

The Arkansas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So that's. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Of the Arkansas place.

[James Adomian]

So his whole life, he had the Obi Wan Kenobi of his father over his shoulder.

[Dave Anthony]

Get in there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come harder, boy.

[Dave Anthony]

Billy, there's a hole. You're gonna want to get that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fill her fill.

[James Adomian]

Use your force outside of consent rule.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Use your force. You mean use the force. No.

[Dave Anthony]

So she meets Roger. Roger's a flashy car salesman who also sold bootleg whiskey and gambled.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

He's a catch. Yeah.

[James Adomian]

I'm a fantastic stepdad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is perfect. He's already. The elements are perfect.

[Dave Anthony]

He's also married.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[James Adomian]

So this is in New Orleans, Texas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

New Orleans.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. But then they go back to Arkansas. Well, okay, so he is also married. He is accused of domestic abuse with his wife. Virginia marries him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Well, yeah, he's awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

And then they move into a small house in Arkansas and Billy calls him Daddy. As you would. Because he's a baby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, sure.

[James Adomian]

I like.

[Dave Anthony]

I like my new dad, but Roger doesn't really care about Billy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

He just. No time for him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

So Roger was a drunk and he was violent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is it weird? I already feel bad for Bill Clinton.

[Dave Anthony]

That'll change.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's like one, everyone's dying. Abusive drunk.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's not a good start.

[James Adomian]

My father, one time, when he was caught cheating on my mom, to distract from that scandal, ordered an airstrike on the Sudan. I learned some terrible, beautiful techniques from my stepfather.

[Dave Anthony]

So Roger was a drunk, he's violent. Once he shot at Virginia and five year old Billy.

[James Adomian]

God damn it.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, how do you keep him in line?

[James Adomian]

That's from. That should be from the 18.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, hundreds, not the 1900s when it was legal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shot at the five year old.

[Dave Anthony]

So Billy was chubby. His mom, his grandma liked to feed him a lot. He blamed her for.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he probably ate his feelings. Everyone he loves is dead.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

Billy, you want some more corn sauce? Come on over here, Billy. We got plenty of cheese.

[Dave Anthony]

You haven't had enough Mountain Dew today, have you? He was teased by classmates once. They chanted as he cried after breaking his leg. Oh, so Arkansas's hard. It's a hard place is what I'm saying.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

There's other paths to redeem the Arkansas in you, though.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that's true.

[James Adomian]

Have to go down the Clinton path.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't know where this goes. I think it's going to be all right.

[Dave Anthony]

So the family moves to Hot Springs after Roger bankrupted his car dealership.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck me.

[Dave Anthony]

And Virginia and Roger would fight constantly, and they're always accusing each other of cheating. And it sounds like they Both were sure they had a second kid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If.

[James Adomian]

If they were. If they were living through this now, they would have constantly microphone packs on the back of their pants falling off as they fought each other.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You.

[James Adomian]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Learning Channel.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me show you how I make macaroni cheese with beef and pork and chicken.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm gonna shoot my son. So there's another kid.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, this is a Roger. They have a second kid. Yeah. And. Yeah. So Billy's very smart. At eight years old, he starts dressing in a suit to walk alone to the Baptist church.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, super smart.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm not scarred. I'm not scarred.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm fine.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what we call growing up in an alcoholic home.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that what you did? I'm off to church.

[Dave Anthony]

There's one or two ways you go. I went the other way. He was popular in his new elementary school. A schoolmate said Billy, quote, just took over the school. He didn't mean to, but he just took the place over.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's weird. That's. This should not seem like a positive.

[Dave Anthony]

It's very authoritarian.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right. It's not great. The kid in the suit is taking over the school and you're like, this is awesome. This kid kicks ass. Plus, he laid one on the teacher.

[James Adomian]

We have suffered under 12 months of the student jurisdiction of Kimberly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bill, sit down. Now hold on.

[Dave Anthony]

Kimberly Jenkins. Must go. He was the smartest kid in class.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[James Adomian]

Well, this was Arkansas.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm sure.

[James Adomian]

Big Charles Portis fan. But that's. That's my favorite thing that came out of Arkansas. The humor author.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Nothing else?

[James Adomian]

I don't know much else.

[Dave Anthony]

Billy Wayne Davis is from close to there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

From Memphis State nearby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he's not associated with Arkansas.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but what's the difference?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

So Rogers boozing makes Billy. He tries to become someone his mom can be proud of and not have to worry about because there's so much chaos going on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's gonna be the straight and narrow kid they divorce. But Billy spends all the time after the divorce pleading with his mom not to get back together with him. And she does within six months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Please. We're better off now.

[Dave Anthony]

To protect his little brother, Billy changes his last name to Clinton.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That'll help fix everything so they don't.

[James Adomian]

Look like it's a marketing issue.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, we're the Clintons.

[James Adomian]

Marketing. There is a marketing. There is a third way. A path of moderation. We will take on the name of the right wing patriarch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Figured out a way out of this.

[James Adomian]

Pretend to Be for the people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm also a Clinton. I know we all feel better, but.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm gonna act just like Roger. Billy was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Y' all want to be Blythe?

[Dave Anthony]

Billy was junior class president and picked for the American Legion program that sends him to D.C. and there he gets to shake JFK's hand. And the famous picture sets him off to want to be a politician because JFK was like, you can get so much Tang, son.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How much pussy you getting? That was the question.

[James Adomian]

I recommend that you follow my personal failures as an example and abandon entirely my progressive positions that are the good part of my personality.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That sounds fantastic.

[James Adomian]

Do as I, not AS I campaign.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mr. Kennedy. Mr. Kennedy. President Kennedy. Those are nine year olds. President Kennedy.

[James Adomian]

No, I'm good. I'm advanced. I'm the smartest kids in my class.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, let him finish.

[Dave Anthony]

The president told me to do. Is I. Mommy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The two of them hanging out later, having scotch. You are an unbelievable child. I love you so much.

[Dave Anthony]

So he got really high grades without really even studying. He was just really smart. He was also one of the best young saxophone players in the state. And he decided to go for a career in law. So he goes to Georgetown School of Foreign Service. He brought with him a book called what Presbyterians Believe. As most kids will do getting out of high school, just pack that bad boy around. And he would reference in. He would reference it in debates about original sin in the dorm. And nowhere does it say he was beaten up, but he should have been beaten up. Well, his Calvin was that this guy is not someone you want in the dorm.

[James Adomian]

At this age of development in my life, I do. I am a nerd about Calvinist theology, and I do believe in original sin. But I take a little left turn from that. Since we have original sin, we might as well jump in with.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's go balls deep new spin off. Yeah, with the balls deep set. So for speeches when he was running, he was running for freshman class president. And for speeches, he brought his own cheer squad of musicians.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, all right. There we go. Remember how much you love me.

[Dave Anthony]

He won.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

It's like a young. It was like the Muppet Babies. There was like a young James Carville.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the economy, stupid.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's well liked, but. But also some people just tolerate him because he's like super nerd. He's always in a good mood. He's super positive, and it drives people crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

He was already acting like a smooth politician. He was competitive when meeting people. He'd sometimes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I met her First I shook his.

[Dave Anthony]

Hand best when I meet people, he sometimes asked what their GPA was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gpa? Wow.

[James Adomian]

How forward.

[Dave Anthony]

He got a girlfriend, Denise. And then during the summer at home, he convinced a girl who lived nearby, who had a crush on him, to practice her wife skills by being hostess and paying for a party he threw.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. It's very.

[James Adomian]

Why don't you practice your wife skills?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, what would you like?

[James Adomian]

We're off for the summer. Well, you gotta host things. Okay, well, you gotta make sure that we have, you know, a party where we look like dignified members of the community.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[James Adomian]

And you gotta have a bedroom door that's slightly ajar on the second floor after half the guests have left. And then we don't talk about what happens in that room.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And I'm in there and you pay for it all.

[Dave Anthony]

He was elected sophomore class president. And that summer in Hot Springs, he joined the campaign of Democrat Frank Holt, who was running for governor. And then he got Bill a part time job in Arkansas, Senator James Fulbright's D.C. office. Fulbright's like a big influence on JFK's foreign policy. Although Fulbright is very against the Vietnam War at this point, which JFK started.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bill becomes anti war also. And he had a two year student deferment from the draft. And then after that he'd be draft eligible. So he had 18 hour school and work days with the job in the school. That's a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. He's running away from his childhood, but.

[Dave Anthony]

He still made the Dean's list junior year. So he's fucking smart.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he's a smart crushing.

[James Adomian]

He's still wearing the same suit from when he was 8 years old. Just kind of like I look like the Hulk plumping out of it.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like, it's like shorts Now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm Angus Young.

[Dave Anthony]

He ran for student council president, but some thought he was a bit too slick. And his campaign manager tore the opponent's posters down and threw him onto the parkway. Okay, so he lost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bill Clinton lost.

[James Adomian]

Wait, wait, whoa. For cheating in the election and throwing the posters away.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm not sure if he lost because people found him a little bit too slick and annoying or for throwing the posters away. Either way, right? Yeah, people didn't vote for him.

[James Adomian]

We have a four year journey here. I'm not even old enough to drink alcohol, but I already have the manipulative thumbs up in everything I say.

[Dave Anthony]

He focused on getting a Rhodes scholarship, which sends 32 postgraduate US students to Oxford. And then Roger got cancer and Bill would go back and visit him a lot. And then he died just before Bill became a Rhodes Scholar, which upset Bill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he missed that. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Bill Chase women, if you can believe it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He loved women. And women loved him. So LBJ abolishes draft deferments.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Blow jobs.

[Dave Anthony]

LBJ abolished draft deferments for grad students. Is that when you come up from the bottom? What a low blow job?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Love blow jobs.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, I thought he said low blow jobs.

[James Adomian]

No, there is a path for that as well.

[Dave Anthony]

So we got.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We got.

[James Adomian]

We got to cover up some of the things we've done here. We got, we got, we got. We just killed a president. Barely got away with it. We need to stop these draft deferments to look like a good guy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, well, he does. He stops for grad students. They don't have draft deferments anymore, so Bill's eligible. He graduates at 21. He works on Fulbright's. Fulbright's reelection campaign in the summer. He's a terrible driver, apparently.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bill Clinton is a terrible driver.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he talks too much. When they're in the car together. He up the AC and the whole car flooded the floor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Impossible. I don't know how you did that. Was he a cartoon?

[Dave Anthony]

And then he drove up.

[James Adomian]

Dale Griffith broke the seat. You broke the goddamn seat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I didn't. My jacket's caught.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he drove 100 miles in the wrong direction. Well, which is far in Arkansas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Well, he doesn't seem to know roads.

[Dave Anthony]

For a scholar, so Fulbright just ends up driving himself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[James Adomian]

He was trying to turn left, and I kept saying, we need to turn right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hard left will ruin this. Stay center.

[Dave Anthony]

Bill dated multiple women, including the girl who footed the bill for the party.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Denise.

[Dave Anthony]

No, Denise was a girlfriend. That's gone now. She.

[James Adomian]

Denise got out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Her life. I would love to know about her life. She's like. It was pretty good. Yeah. Way better.

[Dave Anthony]

She thought. The girl thought they were a couple until she saw Bill making out with another girl.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that wrong?

[Dave Anthony]

It happens. Bill told her he wanted to marry a woman who was, quote, very independent. She's going to work outside of the house. She needs to have her own interests and her own life and not be wrapped up in my life.

[James Adomian]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

On an island.

[James Adomian]

And so, in a way, I taught you to do the wife stuff so that I could then dump you like a good wife gets dumped.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now I know what I don't want.

[Dave Anthony]

His stepfather. Stepfather's brother. So Roger's brother pulled some strings with a draft board chairman and said, quote, put Bill Clinton's draft notice in a drawer someplace and leave it for a while. Give the boy a chance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's great. Yeah, it's true. Give that boy. Give a boy a chance.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. The rest of them, fuck him.

[Dave Anthony]

So off to Oxford he goes. A student said Bill, quote, had a way of making you feel you were the most important friend in his life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So sociopath. You are awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Bill looked up every Arkansas. Every Arkansas. Is that Arkansas?

[James Adomian]

Arkansan?

[Dave Anthony]

Arkansan.

[James Adomian]

Not sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Every Arkansan studying in Britain. And he was. And he would. He would call them on the phone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How are you?

[Dave Anthony]

Hi. I'm from Arkansas too. And sometimes he'd invite himself over.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll come over tonight.

[Dave Anthony]

It had to been like four.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

How many people from Arkansas in this town?

[Gareth Reynolds]

A few.

[Dave Anthony]

In England?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very few.

[James Adomian]

My name is Harry Dean Bean. I'm down here researching Chaucer just as.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The English are around. My God. Who.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Awful.

[Dave Anthony]

That's like our Birmingham.

[James Adomian]

I say, these are Kansans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're infesting the area. One of them ate a dog the other day.

[Dave Anthony]

So he partied. He was a partier there. Bill later said at this time, this is when he smoked weed, but never inhaled.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ugh. The most centrist.

[Dave Anthony]

The most thing anyone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maybe the weakest way to say you smoked weed.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. You okay? But he got a friend to say, quote, we spent enormous time trying to teach him in to inhale. And he absolutely could not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So it is legitimate?

[Dave Anthony]

No. This guy's just backing it up as bullshit crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Over and over.

[Dave Anthony]

He got. He called the friend. He's a really dumb.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Only women could swallow.

[James Adomian]

The guy that made that statement was. Oops. Somehow came into a mansion in the Hampton.

[Dave Anthony]

Now I'm an arms dealer.

[James Adomian]

So.

[Dave Anthony]

On May 1, 1969, he got a draft notice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Uh. Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

So the semester had just started. So he could finish out the semester, but then he has to go in. So he's trying to figure out how to get out of it. And one way he can get out of it is to go into an ROTC program.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So he figures he'll go to a university in Arkansas and sign up for the rotc, which would keep him out of the war, but rot because of that. ROTC programs are awful. Everybody wants an ROTC program. And you gotta, you know, you call someone to get in, right? Like it's not just like, you can't just show up now and say, I want to join the rotc. So Fulbright's office helps him get into the University of Arkansas law firm. A law Firm, law school, and then someone else in an office, or maybe Fulbright himself, pressured the ROTC until they gave Bill a spot because it was full.

[James Adomian]

So there was a multi year conspiracy to keep him out of the military.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is definitely not laying a great foundation for this guy to do things on the straight and narrow.

[Dave Anthony]

So the idea then was you would do ROTC for two years, but then you'd have to go into the war, but then you could go in as an officer. Okay, so you're not going to be in the military.

[James Adomian]

Well, at least then you're telling people that they need to die.

[Dave Anthony]

And then after all that, he goes back to Oxford.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Huh.

[Dave Anthony]

He's like, I'll start Iot next summer.

[James Adomian]

I remembered, oops, I had a girl that was still locked up in a closet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All day to just go back.

[Dave Anthony]

She can't finger herself. Well, she can, Bill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, no, not.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, so he goes back now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they pull all those strings and he's like, that, I'll just go back.

[Dave Anthony]

Right, right. So while he's there, he gets into the protest movement and he's like. He organizes. He's like, really protesting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he's protesting Vietnam.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because he doesn't want to go.

[Dave Anthony]

But his worst bullshit, his chances of getting drafted go way down because again, they make more changes with grad students and then there's troops being withdrawn. So he kind of puts the math together like my chances of going are.

[James Adomian]

Because by this time, Nixon's president and it's going well. Yeah, 69. So it's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Things are going well.

[James Adomian]

69 was a very lucky year for me.

[Dave Anthony]

Some people say I'm always living in 69.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's the year I came up with a low blow.

[James Adomian]

What? Look, if you're, You're. If you, if you're practicing 69, it's important to remember you're not locked into any kind of reciprocation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're okay to just be down there making company.

[James Adomian]

You can look and not inhale.

[Dave Anthony]

So he. He gave up the ROTC spot. Officially. He's like, I'm not doing that. Because he. He knows. He's like, they're not going to. They're not going to pick me. So a biographer said, quote, bill played the draft like a chess player and withdrew his deferment only when he thought it was safe to do so. And the colonel, who had gone out of his way and given in and let him into rot, thought Bill tricked him into getting out of the draft.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We kind of did. Right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He's like this guy.

[James Adomian]

And this was Colonel Sanders, right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

There's 11 herbs and spices, and he went outside of that recipe and cooked him up devil's dish.

[Dave Anthony]

So he applies to Yale Law School at this point. Fully bearded, long hair, dressing like a lumberjack, you know, type guy. He doesn't study much. Mostly just, quote, reading and tooling the sacks and talking, talking politics with buddies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Loves getting the sacks tooled.

[James Adomian]

And I just, I like to prop up on the steps outside of Skull and Bones and just, you know, toot off a few notes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm like you.

[Dave Anthony]

So classes are pass, fail.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I like that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. A biographer quote, the prevailing sentiment at Yale Law was that you truly had to put your mind to it to flunk out. He missed most classes his first semester because he worked on a campaign, but he still passed because of his amazing memory.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bill was into a woman on campus and he would wander behind her as she walked to class.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is cool. Which is, I think that, that, that has gone out of style for a little while now. The trail. But the trail is a great play. Women love fear.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The corner. I also love a corner.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Unless you find a woman who has no sense of fear. And then that one's like, hi, that's a turn off. So she finally got annoyed by the following and she walked him, walked him up at the library and said, quote, look, if you're gonna keep staring at me and I. And I'm going to keep staring back, we should at least introduce ourselves. I'm Hillary Rodham. Our hero enters the picture.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. What a crazy, crazy start to a love story. To be like, he was following my stalker and I need to know who each other are.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't have a flight response. A friend, quote, Clinton had the charm and the sex appeal, whereas Hillary was next to him. Didn't so much.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Hillary was straightforward, articulate, and self possessed.

[James Adomian]

I just, I saw, I, you know, Elton John said, you see your future in the water. It reminded me a lot of that. I saw her and I said, this is a woman who I can be with and cheat on for the rest of my life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a lesbian. What a 100% lesbian.

[Dave Anthony]

She was raised by staunch Republicans, but now was anti war and she was co publishing a liberal answer to the prestigious and conservative Yale Law Journal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is hot stuff.

[James Adomian]

She had been what? She had a response to it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Aha.

[James Adomian]

She had been like a Goldwater girl, right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

In 64.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

As a teenager, I guess.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And I think now she's, you know, anti war. But yeah, I think at the beginning of college she was Republican Goldwater girl. And Goldwater was a fucking monster.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Was a great guy, so.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, right. Good guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Super progress.

[James Adomian]

A lot of people talk about the, the horseshoe theory and the red brown horseshoe. There's also other paths. There's deep red to. To lukewarm. That's where. That's the path.

[Dave Anthony]

So he spent hours. Sorry. She spent hours advocating for children's white rights and providing legal aid to the poor, which is a sign that she's going to go into politics too.

[James Adomian]

It's like, sure, sure, right? Yeah. A little bit more tongue.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's good.

[Dave Anthony]

They moved in together in the summer of 72. Bill worked on George McGovern's presidential campaign in Texas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good one.

[Dave Anthony]

He was a state coordinator. And Hillary got a job in Texas with the DNC. Great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Just been changing things so positively since 72.

[Dave Anthony]

They would argue constantly and they nearly broke up at one point. Even seeing other people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, to be fair, that was.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what's going on till the arrangement.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You mean we're only doing that when we're apart? I didn't understand.

[Dave Anthony]

But they always worked it out. They'd always get through it. Now Bill graduates with law degree at 27 years old. And he goes back to Arkansas and the law school of the University of Arkansas hires him as a professor. They're a little worried he might leave and start trying to run for office, but they're like, sure, you know, he's a smarty pants.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

He looks more like a student with long hair.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's gonna come in pretty handy when walking campus. How are ya?

[Dave Anthony]

This is the.

[James Adomian]

I think we could. We could do some private tutoring.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, really? I'm also a student.

[Dave Anthony]

This is the key. He hung out in the student lounge.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, how great is this? Just a bunch of kids going to college. Nothing predatory here.

[James Adomian]

Object. I look cool. You don't need to worry about my status as someone with power over your dreams.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm just like, he's hanging out.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm not every girl here at all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's fine.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. There's only one reason this professor hangs out in the street.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Super weird. Yeah, there was a. I saw this clip of Friends the other day where Ross like a stu. He's like hooking up with a student as a college professor. It's so funny that like when that show is on, you're like, that's hilarious. Who wouldn't?

[Dave Anthony]

I think that's Why? A lot of guys become professors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Damn right.

[Dave Anthony]

Professors. Other professors didn't like his style or his grading system.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You get an A if you me.

[Dave Anthony]

It was really easy.

[James Adomian]

The final exam is we put down a game on the floor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Women only. Women only have to take the final.

[Dave Anthony]

It's called twister.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's called keister. Oh. Oh.

[James Adomian]

Looks like you passed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's called keister, but it's a twister with your ass.

[Dave Anthony]

Whoops. I'm in you. He was at times so unprepared that he wrote the next exam question as students were answering the previous one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How is that even possible?

[Dave Anthony]

You can do it if you're super smart.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And lazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[James Adomian]

Yeah. That sounds like my career. Make it up on the spot.

[Dave Anthony]

So he is very popular. So his family was very much not racist for all that chaos that they had.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Not racist. Like super. Like segregation. Segregation is bullshit. Like, treat everybody the same. Like, right. So that's like the one redeeming thing about his family.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's very popular. Black students who nicknamed him Wonder Boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Strange.

[Dave Anthony]

It seems a former student quote. In the south at that time, whites would say one thing, but their deeds and words were often different at that time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Thank God the whites have changed that a lot. That's good. So they used to be misleading.

[Dave Anthony]

So here comes a person where, no matter what your relationship with him was, he was not prejudiced. He did not let your race treat you different from anyone else.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll, Black, Asian, you name it.

[James Adomian]

I'm happy. I'm happy to bring everybody in. I'm trying to manipulate things on a much higher, longer scale.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is a big tent when it comes to manipulation.

[James Adomian]

I got a big tent we need to take care of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, fellas, get out.

[Dave Anthony]

He did not let your race treat you different from anyone else. That's why we call them Wonder Boy. It was a miracle the way he was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's so funny to think of it just.

[Dave Anthony]

But it just. To me, after having done this, I just think, like. Yeah, because he was trying to fuck everybody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he was probably. I mean, his. He must have just been severely damaged, obviously from the beginning. He's just learning now how to.

[Dave Anthony]

He was true. Like, I think he's our horniest president, even.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What was the guy?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, there's jfk, I think JFK and Hoover. But the difference between. I think jfk.

[James Adomian]

No, Hoover was a horny boy.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah. Hoover was a horny boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[James Adomian]

He like. I know there's a depression, but isn't he More important things to handle here.

[Dave Anthony]

I feel like he's the one who was. Who banged his. His, like, assistant when she was, like, in a closet in off the main room while his wife was in the house.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, wait, wasn't that the one we did?

[Dave Anthony]

Wasn't that Hoover?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, that was. I can't remember which one it was, but.

[Dave Anthony]

Harding.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it was Harding.

[Dave Anthony]

Maybe. I'm thinking it might have been Harding that I'm thinking of.

[James Adomian]

They returned to normalcy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right. I think it is hard. Then it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Harding was the horny all the time.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Harding was a horny, horny boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

But the difference is, is I think. I think they would a lot. Whereas Bill was always trying to. No matter where he was and whatever. I think he was always.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He liked the chase.

[Dave Anthony]

Every single. I think every moment his life, he was like, how do I get in bed with that one? How do I get in bed with that one? Like, that's how it seems.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maritime law.

[Dave Anthony]

I know. I know two women he met. And he shakes. Here, give me. Shake my hand. This is what he does. Comes in and he puts his hand up to the elbow and slides his other hand down the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's like some weird, like, game stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, boy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's very like, if you saw him shake your wife's hand, you'd be like, all right, look, I've never seen someone rape a hand close my guy. What are you doing right there? Enough elbow tugs.

[James Adomian]

I'm happy to. I love to stroke the arm of a possible wife or career lady. And I got things you can stroke in return as well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, Mr. Clinton, right this way. I'm just saying.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So I'll never get over what just happened on my arm from you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, me neither. So he tutored and he helped black students who felt like they were being graded unfairly by other professors. So then he decides to run for the House, and he hits the road shaking hands. He's an amazing campaigner.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Takes forever because he's stroking elbows. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He's always shrugging the elbow. But everyone who's with him, he makes them feel like they're the only person on earth. Right. He's just got this thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He's winning over voters a lot. Hillary goes to D.C. and she's working on the Watergate impeachment staff. She is also talking constantly about Bill. And Bill's campaign staff knows he has girlfriends around the campaign trail.

[James Adomian]

So this. It's. This is the plan. This is it. He's we're in. This is where we are in.

[Dave Anthony]

The plane is taking off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He was reportedly having sex with a volunteer on the campaign. I'm sure it was a lot more than one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

A lot of this didn't make it in the news because these are dog bites. Dog bites, man stories. Of course. Yeah. A volunteer, a random girl that knocked on a door, somebody that lived upstairs or downstairs somebody had no connection to at all. Yeah, I was all of them.

[Dave Anthony]

So Hillary sends her dad and brother to volunteer on the campaign to watch Bill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[James Adomian]

And they like they were gonna sit in a chair across the hotel room, watch Bill. These are the co minded. You can watch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There we go.

[Dave Anthony]

No noises. This is great. So that doesn't work. So Hillary threatened, she calls him up and she threatens she's gonna someone in D.C. and then Bill cries and begs.

[James Adomian]

Apart.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No idea what that feel like.

[Dave Anthony]

He begs her not to, quote, make his life miserable.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[James Adomian]

Oh my God. Oh my God. Can you imagine the messages they left each other at this time? Oh, knights in white satin. Never reaching the end. Just what the truth is, I can't say anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

So she, everyone at this point is like, I mean, she's on the, she's on the water gate.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. She's doing stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

There's like three women out of like 40. So she's like on her way up. Like it's very clear she's gonna have a big career and yet she's still in a bill. And her friends are like, it is crazy that you would follow that guy to Arkansas. Like stay here in D.C. where you're taking off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is crazy because I think at least it's so hard to think back on them legitimately being a, an actual couple because it's felt so fake and just for political gains for so long to imagine a time when she was like, I'll bail.

[James Adomian]

Well, yeah, they're advanced. He's been wearing a suit since he was 8 years old.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

So already now in his early 20s, he's like, well, I've got, I've got a middle aged marriage.

[Dave Anthony]

But then she applies for and gets a job as a professor at the same school.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Which he was in Arkansas. Oh, great. That's great news. Oh, hell yeah. I'm gonna go to the quad, hack it with some of the girls.

[James Adomian]

All the Watergate guys of the senators. And they were like, well, we're gonna miss you, sweetheart. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

So she's not as popular as Bill. She's a normal challenging law professor. And he's like, I also like to.

[James Adomian]

Hang out in the student union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look at the narc.

[James Adomian]

And I'm gonna grade hard. Really hard grades.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

When Hillary would go to campaign headquarters, Bill had staff take the volunteer he was banging out back. Ah, like a sitcom.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why don't you stay here? I'll take her out back.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I took her out back twice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's also amazing that, like, it's so, I mean, he's just so damaged already.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, why be with her?

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, it's crazy that she.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How old is he now? What is he, like.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[James Adomian]

28.

[Dave Anthony]

He's like 28. Yeah. And, but she, but my, my, like at this point you're like, what's wrong with her? Like, she's chasing this. What's wrong with her? Like, this is. There's every red flag in the world has been thrown up.

[James Adomian]

I am smart, I am an intellectual, and I understand that it takes a sociopath to rise.

[Dave Anthony]

That's why, quote, Bill would say, go take her somewhere, get lost. And Bill and Hillary would then fight in front of staffers. A friend said, quote, they'd have the biggest damn fights. Just shouting and swearing. Okay, so that's what he saw at his childhood, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And so he's repeating it, but she must have too, because that's like a level of. Just like it's only us in the world and. No, because they'll fighting in front of people. It's crazy. My wife was like, like a couple days ago, she was like, have you ever seen me and your dad fight? And my son was like, no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I seriously thought she was asking you if you've seen her and your dad fight.

[Dave Anthony]

Fight that I've seen.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which I would love to have a look at that.

[Dave Anthony]

No, my dad loved her cuz she had, she has a PhD. It's like, look at you, smarty pants.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A woman.

[Dave Anthony]

She's on my level.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll show James the picture of your dad. You keep talking, Bill.

[Dave Anthony]

Bill's campaign was about saving the working class from greedy corporations and shitty Republicans. Pastors called him a dope smoking homosexual.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. This is Dave's dad. Just so you know.

[James Adomian]

So what is, what is he wearing?

[Dave Anthony]

What are you talking about? What's he wearing?

[James Adomian]

Is it, is it a, is it a Masonic thing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sort of. He was part of.

[Dave Anthony]

He's a native son of the Golden West. And in that picture he's a president.

[James Adomian]

Native son of the Golden West.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He had a drinking problem with Canadian Mist.

[James Adomian]

That's not affiliated with the Grangers or something. Like that.

[Dave Anthony]

No, they're their own thing.

[James Adomian]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

They're native sons of the golden west.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. So Dave is technically a native. Do you have this?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think. No, because you have to pay dues every year. And he signed me up, but I never went. The password though. Truckee. I'll get you in any of sons place. Probably shouldn't have said that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, there's a hit on you now.

[Dave Anthony]

So his opponent said he was saying he has affairs with his staff, which is true.

[James Adomian]

It was already. Already an unhidable scandal.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[James Adomian]

In his first election.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, think about. This is a small state and even back then there's not as many people as now. So everybody fucking knew none of them were dogs. Bill loses, but comes within 2%, which is considered at that time a victory for, you know, a new guy.

[James Adomian]

And that's when I realized we need to triangulate.

[Dave Anthony]

He won the love of Arkansas Dems and decides he's going to run for Attorney General. He asked Hillary to marry him three times and she finally says yes on the third.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[James Adomian]

I see it all. I see someone. I see someone whose intelligence I can milk for the next 40 years. And then who will. Then I promise you, you will follow. You will ride my coattails to doom.

[Dave Anthony]

His mom's not happy. His mom thought she was too ugly for Bill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ, the mom's great. Maybe our hero.

[Dave Anthony]

They marry in a simple ceremony on October 11, 1975, for Attorney General. He only runs against Dems in the primary. Organized labor pulls support when he refuses to sign a statement to repeal the state right of work law.

[James Adomian]

Like look, you got a triangulate. There's me and there's my opponent and then there's Mephistopheles.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. So he's running to the right of all the other Dems.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

29 year old bill wins easily. No Republican runs in the general. So he just. Now he just has to wait for the general election to win. Yeah, he's gonna win. He's just gotta wait.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's great.

[James Adomian]

So still at the tail end of the like some of the former Confederate states where they were just run by the Democratic party. Certain offices would be.

[Dave Anthony]

So he works on Jimmy Carter's campaign. Hillary gets a job at the Rose law firm in 1977, Bill runs for governor. A reporter, quote, he looks you in your eye and for a short period of time makes you feel like you're the only person in the room. Yeah, everybody says that about him.

[James Adomian]

I love that story you wrote about me, honey. And I really appreciated that. Buried lead. I've got something I'd like to bury a couple paragraphs in, too.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's elected easily. And he is the youngest US governor in 40 years.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[James Adomian]

Since the. Since the. Since the 30s, huh?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

Since the new era.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He should still not be hanging out in the student union.

[Dave Anthony]

40S, I guess. Wait, no, you're right. 30s.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do y' all kids feel like getting into tonight? I'm the governor.

[Dave Anthony]

You want to come over to the Twister house?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you guys want to do?

[Dave Anthony]

He's just got a whole floor. This is a Twister.

[James Adomian]

I got a Ouija board that always seems to suggest a blow job.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a Ouija board with two letters on it. Move it around. Hit a bj. There you go. Here. Let's get real high. I don't inhale.

[Dave Anthony]

The Clintons invested $700,000 in property in the Ozark Hills on the white R with friends Jim and Susan McDougal.

[James Adomian]

That early.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a lot.

[James Adomian]

Immediately they did this.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

And already early on in my political career, I got seven large to just throw around here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Where the fuck. Yeah, obviously.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, she. She was actually a good investor. We know that, but. Yeah, I don't know where all that money came from.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Me, either.

[James Adomian]

You know, you're Attorney General and you get elected governor, it rains.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, she was a lawyer. He. They did work at the law.

[Gareth Reynolds]

700.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a lot of money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Lot of money.

[Dave Anthony]

They did take out some loans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

So they formed the Whitewater Development Company because they're going to build and sell vacation homes on this property. But the real estate market tanks, interest rates go UP, and the McDougals and the Clintons now have to use their own money to pay interest payments. As governor, Bill pulled everything he wanted to do. So he's not just like, I want to do this. He's like, find out what the people think first and then do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold it. Everything. Yeah. Which is just not always. This. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

That's the way to do it.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I'm go to the quad.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

How dare you be on time.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The.

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait.

[Dave Anthony]

Look, not to be killed. Just have a meeting with him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, let's play.

[James Adomian]

Let's play wild. Let's play. Look, we're down. We're down big.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

We could just kick him out rolling the dice. I don't know. He says he wants to kill you.

[James Adomian]

Machiavelli said your greatest allies are people that used to try to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

To kill you. You have a break from 2:30 to 3. But I really think we should just have lunch.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

So he was governor for like 12 years.

[Dave Anthony]

He was governor for a long, long time.

[James Adomian]

Four term. Three or four terms.

[Dave Anthony]

Five terms.

[James Adomian]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just hiding.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, hiding the whole time. Well, there's a. Okay. So Cuban immigrants escaped a resettlement camp in Arkansas back to Cuba and that leads to this large battle with police. Locals get freaked out. They're all armed. Armed groups are forming. So Bill activates the National Guard and he actually handles this really well and it calms down. But critics use the footage of the like rioting and the, you know, whatever the disorder to say everything's falling apart under Bill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a time.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I've been cheating like five days.

[Dave Anthony]

He seems frantic. Even eating is off. Staff are unnerved.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Eating is off.

[James Adomian]

Yeah, I'm just having tomatoes and mayonnaise.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mr. Clinton, you have turned red, sir.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, that's why I'm having the mayonnaise.

[James Adomian]

I get a Whopper and then I just, I eat just the slop that falls out of it. I throw the burger away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This guy came up with the slop diet. You throw the burger and then you eat everything that remains in the package. I'm a bottom of a bag eater.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Inhale core at all. Yeah, like a pig. There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, why would you. He doesn't seem well.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

He's out of his. He's. Whatever's happening, he's lost it.

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[James Adomian]

Damn. It would have been so much better if he stayed in this failures.

[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

God, we'd all be so much better off.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

So he doesn't know how to emotionally or politically deal with the public backlash. And he's heard walking around saying, God, I'm an idiot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. He's far laying around the office. Wow. Idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

Then he became America's youngest ex governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Wow.

[James Adomian]

82. He lost.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And he tries to blame others.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mm.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

You did this?

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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So he gets a job at a law firm. And he hates that the marriage is not going well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Has it ever?

[Dave Anthony]

I think it did for a little while.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[James Adomian]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

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[James Adomian]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

So Bill reaches out to an ex political advisor named Dick Morris. Oh, and he also reaches out to Betsy White. Bill said Morris was, quote, something dirty that he didn't want to touch without gloves. That's who you invited?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

I got a text from Carville, like, there. I've gotten so many Democratic texts today, and I got one from Carville. I'm just like, man, you guys just.

[James Adomian]

Don'T know you're texting some.

[Dave Anthony]

Very.

[James Adomian]

Usually I ignore it, market as spam, and move on. But sometimes I can't help myself. Where it's like, I see wake up to like, hey, it's Pete Buttigieg. You have a moment? So for the small number of them, like, Pete Buttigieg, I'm like, I will never forgive you for the Iowa caucuses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I go, worse. I will be like, eat my asshole.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No, well, you're. Yeah, yeah. Well, you're always trying to get me to join the Democratic Party party.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[James Adomian]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm a Rodham Republican. Yeah. But I wrote back to one early that was like offensive. And someone did write like, obviously not the per. But someone was like, really take it easy. Something like that.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And I was like, oh my God. And then it never happened again. Like early in the spam text game. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they don't read them anymore now. Okay, so Dick Morris joins up. Betsy wright is a D.C. political organizer and she moves into his guest house.

[James Adomian]

I realized that I had reached a point of flaccidity in my career and I needed an injection of some Dick.

[Dave Anthony]

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[James Adomian]

And she's the long time strategist as well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But yes, she's going forever.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I thought she was a golden girl. So Bill courts labor. Who?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Janice Labor.

[Dave Anthony]

He really pissed off in his first term. But the new governor, Republican, hates unions. So they're like, okay, we'll support Bill. The pattern we've seen for the past.

[James Adomian]

50 years, not going to do better than this. So do the math that Hillary did. You're not gonna do better than this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

To the left of the right.

[Dave Anthony]

So the labor money helps fund his exploratory campaign and pay Betsy's salary. So once again, mudslinging. He is now for it. Quote, when someone is beating you over the head with a hammer, don't sit there and take it. Take out a meat cleaver and cut off their hand. Bill, first of all, I don't. I guess you cut off their hand, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it feels like it's beyond mudslinging.

[James Adomian]

Doesn't sound like a guy who does a lot of physical fighting.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what I was gonna say. Hold it up like this and I'll swing. No, put it down on the table. He blames his old. He. He puts the. For losing. He blames it all on his staff. He's like, they told me what to do. I didn't want to, but I didn't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Enough of them.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, one of them said, quote, all of a sudden I'm getting the feeling that for his own well being, the staff becomes expendable. Voters hated that Hillary didn't take Bill's last name, of course. And at this time. Yeah, they probably were like out of their minds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[James Adomian]

Was she still Hillary Rodham?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, she did.

[James Adomian]

She wasn't even Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She did the Hillary Rodham Clinton, like late. Like wasn't it already?

[Dave Anthony]

This is when she does it. A state House Member said, quote, hillary's gonna have to change her name and shave her legs.

[James Adomian]

Ah, Jesus Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Me. Everyone was like, wait, what was that last part? She's got hairy ass legs, so you're gonna need to take care of that. Plus, your glasses are a little dark.

[James Adomian]

Damn it. So they weren't just evil out of nowhere, it was also done to them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Him.

[Dave Anthony]

And this is probably a guy on their side who's like, trying to give advice.

[James Adomian]

Let me give you some advice. I'm a little older than you. I helped Huey Long navigate politics back in his day. Advice. Woman's gonna have to have your name, and you're not gonna want to see nothing on those legs.

[Dave Anthony]

She begins going by Ms. Bill Clinton.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, she overcorrected.

[Dave Anthony]

Ms. Mrs. Sorry. I'm single. I'm a single Bill Clinton.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm Bill Clinton.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. That must have been a tough one for her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

Jesus Christ. Mr. And Mrs. Bill Clinton would cordially like to invite you.

[Dave Anthony]

So Morris had Bill apologize for the last term without actually using the word apology.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smart.

[James Adomian]

Damn.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very Democrat.

[James Adomian]

You learn things during your Saturn return. You learn things about how to change your life for the better and everyone else's for the worse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It wasn't right.

[Dave Anthony]

So they do it in an ad, and the ad causes bill to drop 20 points in the polls.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

But Morris is, like, gonna pay off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hang in there.

[Dave Anthony]

It's gonna pay off. And he's correct. So because of that ad, mudslinging doesn't work. So everything they try to attack him for, he's already apologized for. So Bill then attacks his primary opponent for being in the pocket of big labor and a bleeding.

[James Adomian]

No, Hear me out, guys. I'm gonna attack him for being on your side, and then you're gonna come back because I'm the best that you're gonna get.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, he just. For the exploratory campaign, he got labor money, and now he's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Plus, look at her legs, huh? Oh, my God.

[James Adomian]

I'm not gonna give you everything you want or any of it, but I'm gonna wear a hard hat and play that game.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ask the foreman.

[James Adomian]

And I'll be one of those guys with a suit and a yellow hard hat on. And you will say, wow, it looks like he's on my side.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look at him cosplaying.

[Dave Anthony]

And I am going to shave Hillary completely.

[James Adomian]

We're having her industrially shaved right now. We dropped her into a foghorn leghorn machine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're going to n her in front of the state.

[Dave Anthony]

So he also calls his Opponent. Opponent. A bleeding heart on welfare and he wins the. The primary.

[James Adomian]

Good God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean it makes sense then this.

[Dave Anthony]

All tracks but this is. Yeah. I mean this is when it's like, it's like in LA we have Democrats right. In every office but half of them are Republicans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. Right. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Like people they're just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then newsome. I'm even new some now where you're like everyone is. So many of the people who hate Trump are now just like he's so good.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And you're like Newsom is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

He doesn't use the army to get.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When I was talking to my mother the other day and she. My brother and I were. But she was like I really like Newsom. My brother and I were both like, like kind of like who wants to just fucking hammer shatter this apart in two sentences.

[James Adomian]

If, if you don't follow the news about everything that's going wrong, I can make you like me a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I mean.

[Dave Anthony]

So he wins the primary and then they go to the general and the apology. 6ish I think you know, I don't know what year it is. The apology apology video works again in the general and he's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's such a man.

[Dave Anthony]

And he's elected governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

It's crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I up.

[Dave Anthony]

So Arkansas is not doing well. Farms are failing high unemployment, recession's going on. Education is 49th in the country.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bill wants to become the education governor. Turn that shit around. And he is team began a permanent campaign while in office which is to constantly shape the narrative, always gauging the public to decide the next thing to do. And it's a new way of running an administration and it becomes synonymous with Bill Clinton and it's what one of the biggest problems with the party today because then they're never actually making long term choices for the better. It's just knee jerk reaction to what is.

[James Adomian]

I'm. I'm smart, I'm a good student. Nobody ever said I was wise. That word's never been used.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's why I'm still in the quad hanging out, lava lamping.

[James Adomian]

Wise boys don't get laid.

[Dave Anthony]

So the state is last for teacher salaries. Some. Some teachers are on food stamps. Hillary chaired education hearings. One parent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look at those games.

[James Adomian]

She had her legs up on the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Table at the little higher. By the way, the beef's the same.

[Dave Anthony]

Ms. Clinton, I just wanted to thank.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You for shaving Mrs. Bill Clinton.

[Dave Anthony]

A parent said her kids teacher kept calling World War II, World War 11.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh ah yikes.

[Dave Anthony]

You can see how the mistake could be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, for sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Because in. In the books.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. Oh, no, it's right there. Well, it's 1 and 1 and 1.

[James Adomian]

Well, that's a forward thinking child. We will get there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Sooner than you think.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bill wants teacher competency tests and smaller class sizes and conservative voters like. Yeah. And the Teachers association is like, what the fuck? So Bill attacks the union and it passes. Bill convinced huge corporations like Walmart to expand in Arkansas. A labor leader said, quote, Bill Clinton is the kind of man who will pat you on the back and piss on your leg. That's the only way I can come.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go. That's not all piss. Some other fluids mixed inside.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm a squirter.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1964, Arkansas got into the business of selling plasma donated by inmates.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God. Jesus Christ.

[James Adomian]

Donated?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, donated.

[James Adomian]

Donated.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Donated.

[James Adomian]

Voluntarily?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. What good people. Wow, that's quite a fucking statement.

[James Adomian]

Selling plasma. And they have a huge prison population. Of course, this whole time.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not sold in the US though, because the dangers of inmate plaza, who have a higher level of having things wrong with the blood infected hepatitis. And then now, now in the year we've moved on to hiv. Right. Like it's.

[James Adomian]

Jesus Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean that is. That's like some teal.

[Dave Anthony]

So.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

It's centered in Cummins Prison.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah, yeah, I've been there.

[Dave Anthony]

This is a terrible name for a print room.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The bedroom's called the Cummins Prison.

[Dave Anthony]

What were they thinking? And it's over. It's overseen by the company, health management associates. HMA from 1978 onward, which is the year Bill got into office. So because they can't sell in the US they sell it to a blood broker in Canada.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello, Type A.

[Dave Anthony]

Who then sells it worldwide.

[James Adomian]

Blood broker. And you got to meet. You got to meet him in a cafe in Cairo.

[Dave Anthony]

He's got a jacket.

[James Adomian]

Yeah, everybody's doing hookahs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't believe. Blood broker.

[Dave Anthony]

So the broker is not told that the blood is coming from prisoners.

[James Adomian]

Well, look, we got. We've got grade B plus blood coming out of Arkansas. We've got so much of it. We are. We are thick with blood.

[Dave Anthony]

I can't believe how much blood Arkansas sent. I didn't know.

[James Adomian]

Well, it's the Red river, sweetheart. We've got more than we know what to do with. So.

[Dave Anthony]

Prisoners with hepatitis C are allowed to donate. Hep C is a big indicator of HIV plus. So they're also just like not screening for these things. Sure. In 1983. The FDA issues a recall.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The FDA is recalling plasma blood? What the fuck? It's not like bird's eye vegetables.

[James Adomian]

This sounds like the Orson. The Harry Lime scam in the Third man with Orson Welles where it's like water down the penicillin and kill some babies. But who would care? Do you really care if any of those dots stop moving? That's the whole.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The whole. That's.

[James Adomian]

There's several scams like that going on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I cannot fucking believe the FDA is like. Now hold on. If you're taking prisoner blood from Arkansas, we have bad news for you.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, they recall it and they say it's from Cummins Prison. And that's when Canada realized the blood's coming from inmates.

[James Adomian]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Where?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, bad news.

[James Adomian]

Well, I'll not be tolerating this. We thought it was was these prisoners.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They said they had top notch blood. So. We are just as mad at ourselves as you are at us. Us.

[James Adomian]

We had hoped that there was some kind of ethical way that you were providing the bl.

[Dave Anthony]

A lot of those fellows work out. They look good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll do a. We'll do a makeup with seminal fluids.

[Dave Anthony]

And I will handle that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll handle that. I got a bunch of it. How big of a bucket.

[Dave Anthony]

So The FDA revokes HMA's license to help with the license issue. Bill says they should hire an ombudsman to oversee things for 60,000 a year in our money. Who was his friend to oversee?

[James Adomian]

Let me tell you what's. What solves a lot of problems isn't on buds.

[Dave Anthony]

People around the world are dying from tainted blood. What about an ombudsman? Budsman.

[James Adomian]

Get yourself an ombudsman.

[Dave Anthony]

The bill orders an investigation into hma. We're gonna figure this out by the state police.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right?

[James Adomian]

Right now I'm issuing an investigation from the state police that are my private army. You guys are gonna leave no stone unturned.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No stone.

[James Adomian]

But when you do turn over some stones, you're going to turn them right back over.

[Dave Anthony]

Another investigation was started by the Institute for Law and Policy Planning. And that investigation found it was extremely negligent. Hiring staff, health screening, record keeping, and repeatedly violated its contract. Bill, State police found out that there was gambling amongst the employees.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Just regular gambling.

[James Adomian]

I am shocked, shocked to find that there is gambling in this establishment.

[Dave Anthony]

The gambling ring. They had like a gambling operation set up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I bet he's got HIV.50 on that guy having hep C?

[James Adomian]

Yeah. I got a side bit here. I'll take that.

[Dave Anthony]

So. So that's all that the police found.

[James Adomian]

And now leukemia insurance. Leukemia insurance.

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's not terrible. The state police only found the gambling. The other. The other agency found all the other stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

The state police only found gambling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

There was nothing else going on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And then an Arkansas state senator who is part of the scandal pushes Bill to end the investigation. So Bill does.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. Why wouldn't he?

[Dave Anthony]

So since the police found no issues with the actual quality of hma, they got to keep their contract.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boom. Beautiful.

[Dave Anthony]

And the HMA president later worked on Bill's next campaign for governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go. It's so great.

[James Adomian]

Look, this is how it comes together. Private industry, public resources.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's perfect.

[Dave Anthony]

But HMA gets dissolved when the Institute for Law and Policy Planning releases their report, which took a lot longer because it had all the other fucking actual shit. Right.

[James Adomian]

Good guys are always slow. Like we're doing it correctly. Yeah, Legally. So it'll be. We're gonna be done after the relevant election.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We already figured it all out. It's fine. They were gambling a little bit, John.

[Dave Anthony]

Blood on half Canadians.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, there was really. They were playing. They're doing more pai gow than anything.

[Dave Anthony]

So they bring in another contractor, Pine Bluff Biologicals, which is just no better. It's the same thing.

[James Adomian]

Okay. They're out of business. They're gonna change their name, and all the same people are going to work there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Problem solved.

[Dave Anthony]

The Arkansas Department of Corrections plasma business would sicken and. Or kill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Easy start to shocking the Arkansas Correct.

[Dave Anthony]

Plasma would sicken and. Or kill thousands of people with HIV, hepatitis B and hepatitis C. One report estimates it has or will kill 7,000 Canadians and nearly 2,000 British. More and more around the world, thousands were sickened. And then of course, they sickened other people. Like it wasn't just like that guy got hiv. That guy got HIV and then spread it like it's tons of people getting. And kids, like people just getting blood. Like it's fucking horrifying.

[James Adomian]

Well, there's no reason that that border at the 44th parallel should be an artificial border of HIV on one side or the other. They can join us in hell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I dream of a world where everyone is getting aids.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm not going to Canada. They got HIV up there. So Bill continues to womanize. State troopers on his security detail said he used them to proposition women.

[James Adomian]

I remember this. I remember this one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh. You have any idea why I pulled you over? Bill Clinton's looking to bang you. He's over there. He's half cocked in the back of the car.

[Dave Anthony]

This is actually a fuck stop, ma'.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Am. How are you?

[Dave Anthony]

One trooper said he approached a hundred women for Bill in two years.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Everyone on his staff, I mean, a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cop, I mean, it's just so. I mean, it's even beyond Bill Clinton being an elbow grabbing, handshaking pervert. If cops are going up to you and being.

[James Adomian]

And was he doing ride alongs in the backseat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello.

[James Adomian]

Bad girls, bad girls. What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, while we got you pulled over, pull it up.

[Dave Anthony]

I think it was like Def Leppard in a concert where you go, that one. And then you have a guy go into the crowd and pick her out and he says, hey, the lead singer Def Leppard wants to meet you. Come back. And I think it's that, I think it's that kind of thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. But even stronger with people in uniform on behalf of.

[Dave Anthony]

That's much weirder.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

So everyone on the staff knew, including Hillary. Reading this, I really have to believe that Hillary was okay with it. Like, it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Has to be.

[Dave Anthony]

It was an early version of open marriage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, it was just like, like it's what, what happened a lot back then where, where, when the guy's cheating all the time and people like, I can't believe he stays with her. It's like, well, she knows. She accepted it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like NBA where you're like, you're, you're hanging in there because you're benefiting. Like she's benefiting from what's happening with him. And like you said, he's crying on the phone if she's cheating or wants.

[Dave Anthony]

To cheat if she can't cheat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So she's just basically like, look, it is what it is. It's like, I'm dying inside. Let him do what he's gonna do. Yeah, thank you. That's where I need you.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, or else it's just insane. So the governor's mansion is staffed by mostly, quote, you just had a glory hole installed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How good is that, huh?

[Dave Anthony]

The governor's mansion is staffed by mostly, quote, African American men in their 30s. Hillary, quote, using prison labor at the Governor's mansion was a long standing tradition which kept down costs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Because that's slavery.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So our 13th amendment allows for us to use prisoners as slaves. And she's, she, and she wrote this recently. She's saying, yeah, we have slaves.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And that kept down Paula Dean admission.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's really crazy. And I, I think this came out during her last run Amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It just shows you how sloppy she is.

[James Adomian]

I don't know what, what, what problem you have with a loophole.

[Dave Anthony]

That is.

[James Adomian]

That is a loophole.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I didn't write the amendment, I just abused it.

[Dave Anthony]

She also said the men were black and.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep, we got it.

[Dave Anthony]

Hillary, she had a strict policy to send them back to prison if they broke the rules.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. That's. Fuck. She wrote that?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Recently, like it might have been after the election.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Trump was like, well, she's winning that, that part. I agree with her there.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1986, Bill wins another term. Now, he was considering running for president, but he didn't because he thought Chelsea was too young. And then there was all the affairs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

That everyone knew about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[James Adomian]

He saw. He's thinking about that 88. He's thinking. He's thinking about that 88.

[Dave Anthony]

In 88, he gave the nomination speech for Michael Dukakis.

[James Adomian]

Remember that? Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

This is a famous speech.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Was it? Well, I don't remember. That was like his Obama.

[Dave Anthony]

It is a historically bad speech.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, bad. Oh, okay.

[James Adomian]

We are coming together to try to tank this one and be in the running for the next.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I have slaves.

[Dave Anthony]

An A called it to Dukakis. An aide called it one of the, quote, most miserable political experiences he ever watched.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

On tv, delegates were slashing their hands across their throats as he spoke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[James Adomian]

Like, cut it. Cut it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. People were yelling, get the hook.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[James Adomian]

Now, I might disagree with Michael Dukakis, as many Americans do on issues related to budget, social issues, crime warfare, but I'm voting for. For him. Why? Because I get to stand here if I say that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you have any idea how hard it is for me to turn down a Bush?

[Dave Anthony]

When Bill said in closing, mock applause broke out. Broke out. So after the speech, he is ridiculed across the country.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Like Carson. Like, everybody's making fun of him, but he goes on the Tonight show and makes self depreciating jokes and plays his saxophone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, that saxophone.

[Dave Anthony]

And enhances his likability with voters. Because I watched it. He. He is just like, yeah, the speech is terrible. How bad was that? Like, it just goes on and on, like, which is what you want to see at that time. Right. You don't want to go.

[James Adomian]

You're right, Johnny, you're right.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah.

[James Adomian]

I think I could say it a little bit better with maybe some keys.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1990, his patience and peace of mind were fraying. Some think he's in a midlife crisis.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's been in a midlife crisis since he was 6.

[Dave Anthony]

During an argument with Dick Morris, Bill punched him in the face. After his next election win, he calls Jennifer Flowers.

[James Adomian]

Maybe they're two year governor terms or something.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they must be right. He'd been sleeping with Jennifer for like 12 years. She recorded the phone call. Soon after Bill went to a governor's conference in Little Rock and 24 year old Paula Corbin was working reception. She claims a trooper gave her Bill's room number and said quote, the governor say it says you make his knees knock. So she went to his room and he made sexual comments.

[James Adomian]

When I get horny, I look like a. Like the cartoon turnip that tells kids to eat vegetables on Saturday morning cartoon they start knocking, you know, like any healthy and healthy male sexual appetite.

[Dave Anthony]

Bang, bang, bang. He said he made sexual comments, touched her and tried to kiss her neck before taking out his dick and asking her to kiss it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well now look, let's. At least he's following the regular protocols for how you court, which is a neck kiss, take your dick out and then ask if you want to kiss it.

[Dave Anthony]

This is how my daddy taught me.

[James Adomian]

Look, you might be fantasizing about 69, but let me tell you, we can compromise.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have you heard of a 19?

[James Adomian]

I'm the best you're gonna do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Take you got your dick and ask you if someone wants to kiss it.

[Dave Anthony]

Would you like to kiss us?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean that is six year old.

[James Adomian]

Is there any other governor you have a chance with?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Understand the troop was the trooper not clear.

[Dave Anthony]

See what it does if you kiss it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, would you like some champagne? I have slaves.

[James Adomian]

If you notice right around the shaft there, I got a little, I got a little tiny state trooper badge that I pinned I pinned to my own penis so you can sick and pull you over. Watch out, don't disobey. It's deputized to protect.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, the snake's throwing up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you are.

[Dave Anthony]

She refused to kiss it. Oh, Bill said, quote, well I don't want to make you do anything you don't want to do. And he put his dick away while.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'Re in a room with him and his dicks out. Well, look, I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable. Want to watch the three amigos.

[Dave Anthony]

So that he denies all that. When Chelsea was 11, I did not kiss her neck. When Chelsea was 11, Bill decides to run for president. That's perfect because that's when she's an awkward teenager. That's when you want your kid to be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

Exposed to all this. Yeah, I mean that's One thing I'll say, the fucking right wing is so brutal to Chelsea. Like it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh yeah, it was nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

On October 3, 1991.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a good thing they didn't know about him eating those fucking apples. Apples hole. That would have been a whole other nightmare for her.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like a snake. On October 3, 1991, 45 year old Bill announced and said he and said he was concerned about quote, middle class people spending more hours on the job, spending less time with their children and bringing home a smaller paycheck to pay for health care, housing and education.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Problems. Problems the Democrats have been good at asking seeing for a long time.

[James Adomian]

We make those things happen and then we notice that they have happened.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Those realities exist. That's where this ends the speech that.

[Dave Anthony]

Is so recession is in full swing. Bill is a quote, New Democrat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So from the DLC, the Democratic Leadership Council which formed in 1985 and by.

[James Adomian]

New Democrat what we mean is the older Democrat that predates Franklin Roosevelt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Back.

[James Adomian]

When it was a right wing party. That's what we mean by new.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Old, new to you.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like Dick Ebhart, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Lieberman, those types. The DLC wants to move Dems away from unions, from progressive radicals, from FDR's New Deal and to the Senate and more to corporations so then they could pick up suburban white voters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is it truly for vote? I mean they're just corporatists. Is it really like is that just the outside just. That's like their talking point justification.

[Dave Anthony]

No. This is why I always say Democrats are dumb. I do think you really truly believe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is the way amazing to be like all right, let's get away from fdr, that guy sucked.

[Dave Anthony]

But they like if you can trace their the beginning of this thought process to McGovern losing, then they decided they.

[James Adomian]

Were all horrifically traumatized by McGovern losing.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[James Adomian]

A whole generation of baby boomers.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[James Adomian]

Was like oh, we won't be that anymore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right, right.

[Dave Anthony]

And they, and they blame the older FDR guys who were still in office and had been union guys and gone to Congress and they thought well no, it should all be run by lawyers and professionals.

[James Adomian]

Strongly antitrust too.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. Yeah. And so yeah, this is what sets it all in motion. So he does run on progressive stuff like health care for all.

[James Adomian]

Any couple of words you can put together that match what our polls say the people want. Just say it. Just say it. They don't read the news enough to notice you're not doing it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It.

[Dave Anthony]

But not Single payer, Health care for all.

[James Adomian]

Nope. Bill said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not those two words.

[Dave Anthony]

Bill said, people, quote, need a government that offers a hand up, not a handout, which is just ragging language. But he is for choice, affirmative action, and to let gays serve in the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Military, which is also an amazing one.

[Dave Anthony]

He had an early lead in the polls and then on January 23, the Star tabloid dropped a story about his affairs. Uh oh, they paid Jennifer Flowers and Bill denied it and said she was paid and had been pressured. Is it paid or pressured? So now Bill, he's on the campaign trail, this happens. Now he's pro death penalty because he doesn't want to seem like a soft liberal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And Ricky Ray rector is a 31 year old.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ricky Ray Rector.

[Dave Anthony]

Ricky Ray rector, he's a 31 year old guy in 1981 and he has a lot of anger issues. He was teased a lot as a kid because he had a learning disability and because he's black, a lot of racism, obviously. So during an argument in 81 over a bar cover charge, he shoots a guy and kills him and then spends three days on the run.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What was the COVID charge? Do we know?

[Dave Anthony]

$7.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I'm just saying.

[James Adomian]

And it's already after midnight. Come on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

You should have a half price covered.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good lord.

[James Adomian]

Yeah, no, I can see nobody's in there.

[Dave Anthony]

So his family talks him into turning himself in and when the cop comes to get him, he shoots and kills the cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. It's a shame. The cop was like, bill Clinton would like to meet you in his suite.

[Dave Anthony]

After he shoots the cop, he shoots himself in the head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

So medically, they basically said he lobotomized himself.

[James Adomian]

Medically, he didn't die. He hung on for 10 years.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The medical professional.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, what kind of lobotomy? Like the Rose Kennedy or the one one where your frontal part is going just easier. He would pay the COVID charge going forward.

[Dave Anthony]

He had an IQ of 70, which is not extraordinary. That's like George W. Bush low. So he's totally incompetent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I would not pay the covered charge.

[Dave Anthony]

But they still put him on trial and he got the death penalty.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So his execution is scheduled two days after the Star tabloid story comes out about affairs.

[James Adomian]

Oh, what do you, what do you know, you lean on some of those state troopers. I've got a. I've got the pardon telephone. But I can also, I can make other calls to that same phone line. And I say I want you guys to be very well Aware of when the Iowa caucuses and the New Hampshire primary are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Apologize, Ricky.

[Dave Anthony]

So, like I said, liberals are seen as soft on crime. So Bill rejects clemency, and he flies to Arkansas to be there for the execution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's weird.

[Dave Anthony]

Rector's last meal, fried chicken, steak, pecan pie. Oh, but he doesn't need the pecan pie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't.

[Dave Anthony]

And he tells the guards he is saving it for later when he comes back. Arkansas encyclopedia quote, Rector's obvious inability to comprehend the fact that. That he was about to be executed unnerved a number of prison officials. Technicians could not find a vein. Quote, rector attempted to help them find a vein that would work. And witnesses stated that he seemed to be innocently cheerful, as though he believed that the technicians were performing a simple, everyday procedure. And then he was killed. One prison official was so horrified that he quit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, that's brutal.

[Dave Anthony]

And Bill was not soft on crime, was he? Today the Supreme Court ruled. So if this happened today, that would be considered cruel, unusual punishment. He could not be executed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And that's in today's world.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's crazy.

[James Adomian]

And that's this current Supreme Court that's building concentration camps everywhere.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But, I mean, they have a line there.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, they're not. They're just keeping. They're stopping the bad people.

[James Adomian]

I mean, they're like, I love that. So many people are always like, I now realize what my parents generation did wrong, and I will not do that as I do something much worse that won't be noticed until the next generation.

[Dave Anthony]

Two days later, Jennifer Flowers held the press conference to explain the affair.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm killing a prisoner tonight.

[James Adomian]

Yeah. And I said, hey, is there any more room in that execution chamber? A couple other people have loud mouths.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I called the number of bars and speakeasies. We've told them to raise the COVID charge.

[James Adomian]

We've got Super Tuesday coming up real soon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, we're gonna need one for each state drinks, twice the price.

[Dave Anthony]

She had recordings of conversations with Bill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

He continues to deny it. His lead in New Hampshire brings the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Saxophone out and starts playing it. How about that?

[Dave Anthony]

Here's my new song. I'm sorry. His lead, New Hampshire shrinks. He and Hillary go on 60 Minutes to refute the accusations. And this is a big moment for Hillary because, you know, she is considered this feminine icon, but this moment is like, stand by your man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

Like. And she and her being there shields him from what could have been a lot worse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right? Yeah. They started playing that card now and then, but that card only Lasts so long.

[James Adomian]

It was the 60 Minutes interview with.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, it was just Bill and Hillary. Oh, I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who do you want it to be?

[James Adomian]

What's.

[Dave Anthony]

What are the.

[James Adomian]

What are the names there?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mike Wallace.

[James Adomian]

Mike Wallace, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ed Bradley.

[James Adomian]

Mike. Let me tell you, as a feminist, I have a career here and it's attached to him.

[Dave Anthony]

So he takes second in New Hampshire. Now some staff think behind Paul Songas.

[James Adomian]

Am I wrong?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Silent T. You're right. Silent T. Or Dick Gephardt. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

I think Gephardt was maybe also Paul Songas.

[James Adomian]

You're. He's wrongus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's hiding teas.

[James Adomian]

He's. He's got letters that ain't pronounced.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's got T's that he's not allowing to speak.

[James Adomian]

Paul Song Us. I think we should lose in the same way that the last Massachusetts guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

DU caucus will seem amazing when I'm done.

[Dave Anthony]

God, they always just have the worst candidates.

[James Adomian]

What was the one. The California governor who was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jerry.

[James Adomian]

Jerry Brown. That was when he was the. He was the left wing guy that year.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

He had like a blue bus that he drove to D.C. or something.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[James Adomian]

You know, Jerry. It was like downtown. Jerry Brown, you know?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So some staff think Bill is clinically depressed and maybe not mentally fit to take on the stress of the presidency.

[James Adomian]

What do you mean, depressed?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I.

[James Adomian]

Whenever I want to and I smile all the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I haven't felt since I was five.

[Dave Anthony]

The only time I feel happy is when I'm coming in a woman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I ate that pecan pie. How about that?

[Dave Anthony]

Normal.

[James Adomian]

The worst thing about come is that it goes. And once you have that, then it's good. Lip it. Lip. Lip is what the French say.

[Dave Anthony]

A congressman recalled a hoarse, quiet Bill repeating quote, I'm all right. We'll get through this. We'll get through this. Over and over in the back of a car.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I want a divorce.

[Dave Anthony]

I'll be okay. I'm gonna be okay. You're gonna be all right. Bill. Bill, you're gonna be okay. You're gonna be okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Give me an entire gala apple.

[James Adomian]

Somebody get that. That woman. He's just looking out of the back of a limousine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Her. I want her. Her. Whatever.

[Dave Anthony]

Communications director George Stephanopoulos was disgusted when he saw stress eater Bill inhale a box of donuts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There, that feels nice.

[Dave Anthony]

He won the Democratic nomination, but he lagged in the polls Behind President George H.W. bush and Ross Perot. And then he chose Senator Tech Tennessee Senator Al Gore for his VP Gore had originally wanted to be pros VP and the Gore pick causes Bill to pass Bush in the polls.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

The economy is bad. And Bill's driving theme is, quote, it's the economy, stupid.

[James Adomian]

This is, this is Gorementum 1992. Gorementum, I take you from third place to second place.

[Dave Anthony]

Put it in a lockbox. He pushed increasing wages for working class, health insurance reform and targeted investments. And he talked a lot about investing in America. Bill was elected on November 3, 1992. And that is the end of part one.

[James Adomian]

He had a lot of back channels going, like, let's make sure Ross Pro's in that debate. Let's make sure this is a three. If I've ever seen a three way fight, it's this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I appreciate everything you're doing for me there, Bill.

[James Adomian]

And I don't. I disagree with you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now wait a minute here. Hold on a second.

[James Adomian]

It was so amazing. That was the only three way debate of my entire lifetime.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, the only way to get it is to. It has to be a billionaire. The only way to make that happen is a billionaire has to buy his way.

[James Adomian]

Right. And then they were like, okay, well then the normal fake rules that are illegal don't apply this time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. Yeah. No, Nader.

[Dave Anthony]

And this was the first election where they got rid of the, the Women's.

[James Adomian]

League of Women Voters who used to do the debates. Then they just have the, the CNN.

[Dave Anthony]

Guys or whatever and then the networks take over. Yeah.

[James Adomian]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

And then questions got really bad.

[James Adomian]

The questions got bad, turned into garbage.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. But before that, I remember the League of Women Voters had great questions when.

[James Adomian]

I was a very, very young kid. And, and then just seeing, even in the older days, before my time, you would have questions and debates where they were like this important topic to democracy and our Republican system of government. Deserves an answer from both of you gentlemen. And they would have to answer it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

First of all, great shirt. I can see your areola and that's fantastic.

[Dave Anthony]

All right, well, there you go. Brittany. Brittany Cohen Brown did the research.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Church.

[Dave Anthony]

Sources the Survivor Bill Clinton in the White House by John F. Harris. First in His Class, A Biography of Bill Clinton by David Marinus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, it might be nice for you to eat a possum candy cane over.

[Dave Anthony]

There while we're wrapping up a vast conspiracy. The Real Story of the Sex Scandal that Nearly Brought Down a President by Jeffrey Toobin. Bill Clinton New Gilded Age President by Patrick Maney. The Life of Bill Clinton 2004 Living history by Hillary Rotten Clinton Shattered Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign by Jonathan Allen. Monica's Story by Andrew Morton the War Room the Clinton Affair the Linda Tripp Tapes Footage of Bill Clinton's Testimony of the Grand Jury Footage of Bill Clinton's Testimony and Paula Jones deposition the Star Report Transcript of Monica Lindsay's grand Jury testimony AP Footage of Bill Clinton Address to the Nation Articles how the Clintons Went from Dead Broke to Rich The Washington Post 1994 crime bill and beyond how the Federal Funding shapes criminal justice the 08 race the other Clinton steps up Clinton's camp seeks gentler Role for Ex President in the New York Times Clinton Campaign Advisors Bill Clinton Needs to stop CNN the 991994 crime bill did the 1994 crime bill cause Mass Incarceration? The Brookings Institute Brooks Institute is a really great one to cover up really bad that's happened Can Biden Center Hold New Yorker Magazine?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know the answer to that article.

[Dave Anthony]

Bill Clinton Concedes Role in Mass Incarceration CNN Trump Offers no Evidence for a Claim about Bill Clinton and Epstein Island A Fact Checking Confessions of a Clinton World Exile Vanity Fair the Politician Bill Clinton's Life, the New Yorker Arkansas Prisoner Blood Scandal Encyclopedia of Arkansas the Bloody Truth Examining America's Blood Industry and Its Tort Liability through the Arkansas Prison Plasma Scandal Mary Business Law Review Testimony of by Kelly Duda created the Factor 8 documentary for the Infected Blood requiring the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Blood Thing is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah the baffler.com Casualties of Clintonism Politico Hillary Clinton Email Monthly Review Neoliberalism from Reagan to Clinton that's a good title. Remarks Signing the Telecom Title for America Remarks Signing the Telecommunications act at the Presidency UCSB and How Monica Lewinsky Saves Social Security on Counterpunch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

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