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Summary

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The Dollop Episode 705 - Bisbee Deportation (Live)

Podcast: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds
Date: October 14, 2025
Location: (Live Show)
Theme: Dave Anthony tells comedian Gareth Reynolds the wild, tragic, and darkly comedic story of the 1917 Bisbee Deportation, a notorious episode in American labor and mining history, with their signature irreverent banter and running bits.

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Overview

In this live episode, Dave Anthony recounts the Bisbee Deportation of 1917, when over 1,000 striking miners and supporters—mostly immigrants—were illegally rounded up in Bisbee, Arizona, and forcibly deported to New Mexico in cattle cars. The story is a blend of labor struggle, corporate overreach, vigilante violence, racism, anti-union fervor, and darkly absurd Americana. Through it all, Dave and Gareth maintain their satirical, rapidly riffing style, finding moments of both horror and humor in an American incident that echoes into today.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Wobblies and the IWW

• The IWW (International Workers of the World), aka “Wobblies,” organize miners in the West in 1916–17, particularly Mexican American miners, as violence and property destruction are common in labor fights.
• AFL’s Inaction: The mainstream American Federation of Labor (AFL) is portrayed as conservative and unsupportive, eventually revoking the local charter for being “too radical.” The more militant IWW fills the gap ([06:21]).
• Labor Demands: Bisbee Wobblies push for: $6/day wage, six-hour shifts, basic safety, and “No discrimination”—met with scorn and seen as outrageous by mine management ([12:43]).

“No discrimination. That one’s hilarious. Like, why don’t you ask me not to be a human?”
— Dave Anthony, [12:45]

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2. Tensions Skyrocket: Corporate Power & Anti-Union Paranoia

• Phelps Dodge: The mega-corporation runs everything in Bisbee—mines, hospital, hotel, newspaper—and responds with fury to any strike or sympathy toward strikers ([12:20]).
• Mining leaders and local press conflate labor activism with sedition, treason, and “German influence” (reflecting WWI hysteria, [19:20]).
• Citizen “Leagues”: Businessmen form vigilante “Citizens Protective League” and “Workers Loyalty League” to deputize themselves against the Wobblies ([20:27]).

“There will be no compromise because you cannot compromise with a rattlesnake. I believe the government will be able to show there is German influence behind this.”
— Phelps Dodge President Walter Douglas, [19:08]

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3. The Deportation: July 12, 1917

• The Sheriff’s “Posse”: Sheriff Wheeler forms a 2,000-strong, armed, white armband-wearing vigilante force “to arrest vagrants, traitors, and disturbers of the peace” ([23:00]).
• Rounding Up the Suspects:
  • Before dawn, the posse raids homes, businesses, boarding houses—arresting anyone sympathetic to labor, even non-union townsfolk, contractors, and storekeepers ([30:28], [34:12]).
  • Violence: Some resist; James Brew shoots through his door, killing a vigilante; he’s then killed ([38:15]).
• The Stockade: Thousands are marched in rows under guard, denied basic needs (water tub kicked over by guards, [40:37]), lined up in the summer desert sun, and told to recant union ties for a chance at release. Jeering, singing, and catcalling ensue ([52:19]).

"The sons of bitches don’t get a drink."
— Vigilante guard, [40:37]

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4. Boxcars to Exile

• The Train: At 11am, 23 manure-filled cattle cars arrive. Over 1,000 men are packed on board. They endure dehydration and stifling heat, standing or sitting in filth for hours as the train is guarded by machine-gun-toting men ([53:46], [54:36], [56:23]).
• Destination: First to Columbus, then Hermanas, New Mexico. The deportees—many with no food, water, or belongings—are dumped for weeks in makeshift tent camps meant for Mexican refugees ([66:09]).

"You can buy, like, a wagon."
— Gareth Reynolds on the meager financial settlements eventually offered, [76:32]

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5. Aftermath: Legal, Social, & National Consequences

• Press Reaction: Most national newspapers side with the deportation, viewing Wobblies as traitors and “vagrants,” with The New York Times minimizing the atrocity ([58:23]).
• Zero Justice: Investigations find the deportations wholly illegal; commissions criticize, but courts dodge responsibility (Supreme Court rules it a “state matter”; those responsible are acquitted or settle for pennies, [75:10]).
• Permanent Change: Bisbee bars deportees from returning, institutes a passport system, and kangaroo courts decide who may stay, cementing anti-union and anti-immigrant practices ([70:14]).
• Precedent: The event strengthens use of deportation/removal as a tool against “undesirables,” contributing directly to later mass deportations of Mexican workers.

"Who knew you couldn’t just take half a town and put it on a train?"
— Dave Anthony, [73:22]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Union Symbol Mashup:

  • "The cat, like, shows hole. Do it where the cat shows hole... Now, THAT says union."
    — Dave & Gareth riffing on union symbolism, [03:16]

• Media/Government Satire:

  • "Anytime there’s a rich guy talking, just go—would Elon Musk be saying the truth?"
    — Dave Anthony, [22:20]
  • "If you just deported that one piece of fucking shit... He is going to Mars in 2026. It's happening in pieces."
    — Gareth Reynolds (re: Elon Musk), [81:11]

• Nightgown Bit:
  Gareth becomes obsessed with the idea of bringing back nightgowns and sleeping caps, inserting comic relief into intense moments ([31:34], [39:39], [69:40]).

• On American Hypocrisy:

  • "It is crazy that the solution is always to deport or vilify or blame..."
    — Gareth Reynolds, [81:38]
  • "It’s the never-changing kaleidoscope of bullshit that we just keep getting fed, where you’re just like, oh, thank God that’s over. Never over."
    — Gareth Reynolds, [79:41]

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Important Timestamps

• [06:21] – WFM president declares mainstream union “died of conservatism.”
• [12:43] – Wobblies’ basic list of demands and superintendent’s response.
• [19:08] – Phelps Dodge President invokes “rattlesnakes” and “German influence.”
• [23:00] – Sheriff Wheeler’s 2,000-man posse announcement and arrest proclamation.
• [30:28–34:12] – The mass roundups, home raids, inclusion of random townsfolk and business owners.
• [38:15] – Exchange of gunfire, with deaths on both sides.
• [40:37] – Prisoners denied water in the plaza.
• [53:46] – Forced into manure-filled boxcars, vigilante intimidation continues.
• [66:09] – Federal tent camps, report on the deportees’ disheveled state.
• [73:22] – Federal investigation finds the deportation “wholly illegal,” but no justice is served.
• [77:59] – Bisbee sets a national deportation precedent, especially for Mexican workers.

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Tone and Style

• The tone is raucously comedic and satirical even as it details grim events, highlighting the hypocrisy, brutality, and absurdity of American labor suppression.
• Dave delivers historical research with dry wit; Gareth improvises with surreal and irreverent riffs, keeping even the darkest moments buoyant with humor.
• Running bits (e.g., “nightgowns,” fake German paranoia, riffing on American flag culture, berets/Subway tangent) add comic relief while underscoring recurring themes: scapegoating, double standards, and the American tendency to side with wealth and power.

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Conclusion

This live Dollop episode dissects the Bisbee Deportation as a microcosm of power, prejudice, and performative patriotism in American history, drawing uncomfortable but timely parallels to today. The hosts' mix of dark humor and sharp historical commentary invites listeners to question not only the past but also contemporary attitudes toward labor, immigration, and authority.

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Transcript

[Dave Anthony]

You're listening to the Dollop. Is there anybody here who just came in because they thought it was gonna be a comedy show?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is there? That's hilarious.

[Dave Anthony]

You've made a mistake.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know what's better that nobody really did than a couple people are like, what?

[Dave Anthony]

What's going on?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why are there two of them sitting down right now? Super weird. What was that? First guy was the best. The guy who came out and took his shirt off and drank water.

[Dave Anthony]

That the Bert Kreischer guy?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like sober Bert Kreischer is what he just saw.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bert flew. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

November 25th.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, we didn't even do the intro. Brett, you forgot where you left off.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, shit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You started it. You're listening to the Dollop. Yeah. Jesus.

[Dave Anthony]

It's American history, but stop it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, it's getting bad. This is like the Sinatra. Like, I wrote the lyrics on my hand.

[Dave Anthony]

I have dementia.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is like Elvis, where someone's like, wise men say wise men only fools rush. Only what? Fools. Only fools rushing.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you know how happy I would be if that's how this podcast works?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That'd be great.

[Dave Anthony]

Told me everything to say instead of having to do all the research while you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

Dance around like a monkey.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

You're listening to the Dollop, an American history podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Does anyone not know what this is? Oh, sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, there's. Each week, I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a guy who's kind of mean backstage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on. This is nuts. Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is gonna be about. And I.

[Dave Anthony]

Everyone thinks he's the nice guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm a peach.

[Dave Anthony]

He's the mean guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut the fuck up. You understand me? Shut it or I'll shut it. 10 years.

[Dave Anthony]

You know when you create a relationship and you realize, my God, I created a relationship with my father all over again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut your mouth.

[Dave Anthony]

November 25, 1916. It's a good year, Especially in Arizona. The International Workers of the World Union. Oh, wow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck. Yeah. What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a cat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a cat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who okayed that?

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, hey, what should we have for our, like, union and Sybil I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Something where the witches will sue. That is. That's cat. That is nuts. I don't know what that.

[Dave Anthony]

And they're letting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're like, do the asshole one where the cat, like, shows whole. Do it where the cat shows whole.

[Dave Anthony]

The artist probably gave him one in the front one like, no, no, flip it around.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, flip it yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's see that butthole.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Flip it.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, that says union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can you. Can you staple an eraser right under the T? Yeah. Let's see that hole.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, boss, can we get some dick?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, we got two notes. More hole, bigger dick. Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

So the Wobblies. The Wobblies held their convention in Chicago.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Boo.

[Dave Anthony]

Boo.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You guys don't. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

A proposal was passed authorizing $2,000 in funds to organize miners in the West.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

That's weird.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Yeah. They don't care. Neither do I. No, they were like, nope.

[Dave Anthony]

Are any of you guys minors? Minors?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Watch it. Easy does it. Chris d'. Elia. Ah.

[Dave Anthony]

How's his career going?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Really good. Really shockingly well.

[Dave Anthony]

Why are you still listening to that? I'm okay. In January, 1917, the IWW Metal Mine Workers Industrial Union number 800 was created. The MMW.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, just. It's too much. It's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's what the cat.

[Dave Anthony]

Mew.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mew, meow, meow. You bastards.

[Dave Anthony]

IWW organizers then headed west to organize. This time, physical violence, death and property destruction were pretty common during labor fights in the West.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Really? That's the bad part, you guys? No, that's the good part.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We love fighting.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm all for property destruction. You guys know I love it. I fucking love it. After this show, we're burning this place down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, that's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

In Arizona, many miners were Mexican American.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep. Well, that's a little. That's kind of racist. The. The AFL had been letting down minors for a while. You can imagine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Imagine.

[Dave Anthony]

So the AFL was too conservative, and miners were pulling. Pulling out of the state. As state union president Moyer. Okay, so President Moyer sucks. And as minors become more militant, he becomes less interested. And in February 1917, he revoked the Arizona IUMSW charter, saying, quote, the district's attitudes are too radical. Always the issue now, Big, big Bill Haywood, his quote was, quote, the Western Federation of Miners had died with the blade of conservatism plunged into its heart.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, he's not around.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. But he's saying they were too conservative.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And that's why they're dying. As union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

The miners began signing up for the new militant local IWW chapters. And two months later, a mine lawyer informed the Advisory Council of the National Defense that the IWW were organizing, quote, the IWW agitators are sowing seeds of sedition among the ignorant classes of the employees, most of whom are foreigners. And a Strike will probably be fomented. The production of war materials, as you know, would be seriously impaired in a short time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I didn't think much of the workers and the immigrants that you see.

[Dave Anthony]

No, well, they're mostly Mexican Americans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. It feels very comfortable being like, these idiots don't even know what they're doing. They're like, sir.

[Dave Anthony]

And plus, there's a war on, so they're already like, blame the Mexicans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, Right. Smart. Good policy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep. But we don't stop. Comes around. Yeah. No, it doesn't come around. It just stays. So by May 1917, the Bisbee Local all was all wobblies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, what'd you say?

[Dave Anthony]

The Bisbee all wobblies at this point.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Anybody here from Bisbee?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We don't need a no. Well, the silence will play the part of the no. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All the other people who didn't say yes. We took his nose.

[Dave Anthony]

It would be weird if they all yelled, no, no. Whoa.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Anybody here from Bisbee?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Perfect.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're not. Stands up. You're far from Bisbee, sir.

[Dave Anthony]

Jerome also was all wobblies. There's some Jeromeans here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you guys just called Jeromes?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jeromers.

[Dave Anthony]

No, just Jeromes. It should be Jeromes. No, no. You're Jeromes. Right. Shouldn't they be Jeromes?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Romies.

[Dave Anthony]

Fucking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let's go, Romies.

[Dave Anthony]

On July 5, the IWW created a call to strike in Drum asking for $6 a shift and a six hour day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hmm. Seems hefty.

[Dave Anthony]

The AFL local called the demands quote, ridiculous, unpatriotic, and disloyal and said they should keep working. That's a weird union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It happens though, right? Where the union's like, shut the fuck up. Work.

[Dave Anthony]

We're getting idiots. And you hate America and shut up and keep working.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Aren't you here to represent us, you loser? Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So they go on. Now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We got to stay together. That's important.

[Dave Anthony]

It's about being a team, all right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now shut your fucking mouth and go to fucking work.

[Dave Anthony]

So they go on strike, and on July 10, 250 businessmen and other local assholes started rounding up suspected wobblies. I added a little something there, so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That was not a quote. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

No. They jail a hundred and they deport 67 of them to Needles, California, by train. Could you imagine getting deported to Needles?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Fuck me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

So I guess I just work at a gas station now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is Guantanamo an option? There you go. You run a roller coaster hearing needles. Oh, fuck. You know why they call it Needles, you're destined for heroin.

[Dave Anthony]

So that killed the strike.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When they did that, they were like, hey, they're fucking doing needles now.

[Dave Anthony]

So the union loses. The IWW telegraphs Governor Campbell. So they telegraphed the governor to protest the treatment of the workers who were deported. But the governor responded by saying Wobbly leaders had, quote, threatened the governor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wow. Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

They sent me a thing. In Bisbee. The dying SFL union said the Wobblies had taken over because it was a front for private detectives and undercover company men.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's always the craziest shit. You're always just like, it's so fucking wild. They're all millionaires. Trust us, we have your back. The Wobblies are dinosaurs.

[Dave Anthony]

So management is hiring informers to pose as Wobbly advocates to create division. That's what they said. They also said that. So that's not true, obviously, for that one guy, James Chapman, who was secretary of the AFL local, was on the payroll of a detective agency.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they're saying they're doing the thing where they're like, you're detectives.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. And they're detectives. Yeah. Always the best. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So the wobbly Union, number 800, holds its first state convention in Bisbee, Arizona, on June 15, 1917. And a week later, the Bisbee branch elected an executive committee to drop demands for the copper companies. Scared?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Say that again.

[Dave Anthony]

So they hold their. They. The Wobblies hold their local convention in Arizona, and then they drop demands.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, okay.

[Dave Anthony]

For the. The interest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

About 8,000 live in Bisbee. The mines are owned by the Copper Queen Mining Company. Copper Queen, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

The Kelmette and Arizona Company and the Shattuck Arizona Company. The city is dominated by Phelps Dodge, which is the big one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wow.

[Dave Anthony]

They own the Copper Queen. They own the largest hotel, the hospital, the department store. They own the library. They own the newspaper. They own everything in the town. So they own the whole town. And the demands of the Bisbee Wobblies were just basic safety asks and bonus and contract work. Daily wage of $6. No discrimination. No discrimination.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No discrimination. That one's hilarious.

[Dave Anthony]

Arizona.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No discrimination is such a.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, why don't you ask me not to be a human?

[Gareth Reynolds]

America is absolutely fucking. Where one of your demands is like, no discriminating. And they're like, well, that one. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that's. We got a hard line on this one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely. I'm sorry. Prejudice is. In fact, we feel like you're discriminating against how we discriminate, which we're not. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

When the list was handed down to the Copper Queen mine superintendent, he ripped it up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

There's your fucking discrimination, you son of a bitch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Be great if it was a big contract. He was like, some of these, I'll do it in force. One, two, I'll do it page by page. Some bullshit.

[Dave Anthony]

The GM of the Shattuck Arizona company, who happened to be named L.C. shattuck, said, quote, the demands of this IWW organization are unreasonable and the plans are a nationwide conspiracy by enemies of the US Government to restrict or cut off copper output required to prosecute the war.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's fucking incredible. They, they always do that where they like overreach with their accusation. It's like, well, that's so crazy that it works. I know it does, but it's like, it's shocking. They just go big, like you poke them and then they're like, shoot his guts out.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The President is behind these men. These men are CIA operatives. They have three dogs in a man suit. See? Poop. Aha. Proof. Vindication. What do you mean there's a problem in the old mine? Well, who's down there? Hold on a second. This might be more important. What do you mean collapsed?

[Dave Anthony]

No way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It collapsed. We just put new beams in there the other day. Oh my God. Come on, everybody, gather round. This three dogged man is telling us that the mine has collapsed. Oh, Christ. We're going, girl, we're going. Oh boy. Whatever you are. I can't see. Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

Woo. I'm just hungry. You fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh. Oh my God. Every time I come back for dinner, you're like, who's lost in the mine?

[Dave Anthony]

I want food, you fucking asshole.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I want a wife who's three dogs and a woman's skin.

[Dave Anthony]

Dear Penthouse letters. End that one right there. So the Wobbly's call strike on June 26th. Over 3,000 miners walk. It's about 80 to 90% of all the minors in Bisbee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

So President Moyer of the AFL union, who basically no one is in anymore, said he believed the Wobblies were German agents and that his union guys would work. My guys will bust their ass for nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're Germans. Have we done the Germans one yet? No, they're Germans. They're the First Reich. Well, you only hear about the thoit.

[Dave Anthony]

He also said he wouldn't allow his union members to help the iww.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But union wise, what does he have? He has like.

[Dave Anthony]

He's got barely anybody left.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's got like two guys are like, yeah, yeah, fuck them.

[Dave Anthony]

So for two weeks, the strike cripples Brisby, and the press were against the strikers, as was Sheriff Harry Wheeler. So it's a peaceful strike, but the sheriff still asked Governor Campbell to request that President Wilson send troops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus, what are you gonna do?

[Dave Anthony]

How about you guys? Not working.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, you gotta go send in the army. They're Germans.

[Dave Anthony]

Hurry. The War Department looks into it and decides that, no, they're not sending troops. I love it. It's like in the middle of a war, you're like, send him down here. This guy's not working.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We've gotta invade Bisbee.

[Dave Anthony]

Instead. The president approves. Appoints ex governor George Hunt to be a strike mediator.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Hunt's plan is to get them to all agree on a truce until the war ends. So the. The wobblies would obviously never agree to that. But the. The carpet company wouldn't even come to the negotiating table. They're just like, we're not going to negotiate with this shit. So Hunt bars scabs from entering Bisbee and ordered the state militia to get food, fuel, and clothing for the strikers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, great.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh. Oh, Lefty. I like that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's what I think. He's. Dave has this thing where he sounds sarcastic. He's being sincere.

[Dave Anthony]

It's good to feed people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See, he's doing it again. He's really into feeding people. He thinks everybody should have a home.

[Dave Anthony]

And also to aid them in other ways. Quote, the penniless families in this time of industrial trouble need help. So now Walter Douglas is president of Phelps Dodge, and he is a Nepo baby. His dad developed the Copper Queen mine and he's on the board of directors. So he's elected president of the American mining Congress in 1916 as a National anti union leader. Okay, so Douglas is furious that Governor Hunt shows the strikers any sympathy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

That's not what we do. As he got into his private railroad car headed to Bisbee, he told the best.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. What are you talking about? They don't deserve anything. I'll have a martini and shrimp. I'd love some shrimp. Absolutely. I might eat the shrimp. Could we have the woman who feeds me the shrimp while I sleep? Come in. That was really nice the other day.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you want her in the diaper?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll wear the diaper, have her in a nurse ensemble, and then bring the little boy who moves my jaw while I chew.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you. Some people just won't be satisfied, like those damn wobblies.

[Dave Anthony]

So he told the press, quote, there will be no compromise because you cannot compromise With a rattlesnake, I believe the government will be able to show that there is a German influence behind this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they're going with it?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Germans. Why else would they go on strike? To feed their families?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. So they've. So it's. I really didn't think it was gonna stick. So that's like. Their little, like, angle is they're Germans. They're secret Germans. They don't have accents, but they're Germans. Trust us. They're German.

[Dave Anthony]

Trust us.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

It is up to the individual communities to drive these agitators out, as been done in other communities in the past. Like what had happened in Jerome with the deportation of needles.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Deportation of needles does sound good, though.

[Dave Anthony]

That's it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It sounds like you're clean. I'm cleaning up the streets. There's going to be a deportation of needles.

[Dave Anthony]

So.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think that's the same person who said she wasn't from Bisbee.

[Dave Anthony]

I think so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now I like her. Accurate.

[Dave Anthony]

So. Bisbee. Oh, sorry.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, buddy.

[Dave Anthony]

So Bisbee has a Citizens Protective League.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice. Superheroes.

[Dave Anthony]

Never good. Never good. Hello. Where the fucking pieces of shit. How are you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sounds like. Sounds like, like suburban superheroes. Yeah, it's like Captain Cul de sac. What do you have?

[Dave Anthony]

The town Karen's got together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, Super Karen. Sorry I'm late. I was just demanding a froyo place. Not call me a bitch. I filmed them while I said the N word. All right, stop. Chill the fuck out, would you, please? What? I had every right. They wanted to. Shut the fuck up. Okay. Anyway, what's the plan?

[Dave Anthony]

So they formed this league. It's made of obviously businessman types. There is also a workers Loyalty League made up of X I U M MSW members. Which is the dead union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

And they're against the Wobblies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice.

[Dave Anthony]

So the men in these groups wanted to be deputized to take on the strikers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck's with them?

[Dave Anthony]

Give us a badge so we can crack some fucking schools. Honestly, are these guys wanting enough money to live y. Oh, I want to kill him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It really is. It is crazy, the. The rage that. That instills in people when you're like, I. I think, like, I. I guess I never was, like, ever on the side of the corporation. I just, for a lot of my life was like, eh. It seems like truth's in the middle. Like when I was like, young. No. And then it's just like, why the fuck you on the side of the. The rich people? Like, when in doubt, just listen to the union. Workers, they're, like, telling you what's up.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, the rich guys are always full of shit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And the rich guys are like the Germans. They're Germans. Oh, they're so German. I walked into the bathroom and two of them were peeing. And they have accents. They just hide them when they're out in public.

[Dave Anthony]

Anytime there's a rich guy talking, you just go. Just think to yourself, would Elon Musk be saying the truth?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he's the exception. He's the exception.

[Dave Anthony]

So they want badges so they can beat up the strikers. And they had previously met to discuss the same sort of deportation plan that happened in Jerome.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay?

[Dave Anthony]

So on July 12, 1917, the morning edition of the Bisbee Daily Review printed a proclamation by Sheriff Wheeler. He had, quote, formed a Sheriff's posse of 12,000 men.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

That's a big posse. Oh, you mean. You mean Army? Did you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's fucking crazy. Overnight, all have bow ties and we're ready to Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah. 12,000 men in Bisbee and 1,000 in Douglas. All loyal Americans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good. That's my people.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I hate these non loyal Americans. Yeah, I got a friend who doesn't have a flag on the back of his truck.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, God, I want to shoot people when they hear that. If you have a flag and you don't have. If you have a flag and it's not flying in the back of your truck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ, don't even start if.

[Dave Anthony]

Don't even tell me you don't have a truck. But if you have a flag and it's not in your fucking truck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, if you don't have a truck, just get in a flag. Yeah. Fly it like Aladdin's magic carpet. I got one buddy. He drives a flag with a truck behind it. My kind of people.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, living in America is a contest to see who could get the biggest flag.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Either you're playing or you're German.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's created this posse of all loyal Americans for the purpose of arresting on the charges of vagrancy, treason, and of being disturbers of the peace of Cochise County. All those strange men who have congregated here for the purpose of harassing and intimidating all men who desire to pursue their daily toil. This is no labor trouble. We are sure of that. Yeah, but a direct attempt to embarrass and injure the government of the United States, it's so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck. It's just. They're put, like, treasons on your list. You're good. Like, if you're pushing like tree. All right, there you go. You got that? But it's like. But also, they want the government to look foolish, these Germans. Huh?

[Dave Anthony]

The sheriff told all women and children to keep off the streets that day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They'll bite you and you'll turn German.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he asked for everybody's cooperation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's just okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, I hope no resistance will be made, for I desire no bloodshed. That's a terrible way to start, whatever you're doing. Look, I don't want to kill people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But obviously that's very on the table. We're dealing with the zombie Germans. They know not what they do.

[Dave Anthony]

However, I am determined, if resistance is made, it shall be quickly and effectively overcome.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he is. He kind of does want bloodshed?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah, kind of want bloodshed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like your plan B. Yeah. If you do leave your house, I'll kill you. So stay inside.

[Dave Anthony]

The proclamation was put up all over town, on Poles, fences and walls. And at 4am before many had the chance to read the proclamation. Because they're still in bed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, they're, like, walking this. What the fuck are you doing? I'm walking to work. No. Yeah, we gotta do bloodshed.

[Dave Anthony]

Several hundred.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Your husband's dead. He was walking. He was German. Probably.

[Dave Anthony]

Several hundred armed men on foot and horseback gathered at assigned spots in alleyways, behind fences, and in dark places, which is where you do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Imagine getting assigned a dark place. I'll do the fence. All right, Hank, you'll go to the dark place. So you just go. Go right down that alley where the shadow is, and you'll stay under there a lot. Did you bring a sandwich?

[Dave Anthony]

You mean emotionally?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Jesus Christ. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Because I can really do that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, that's why we're putting you back there.

[Dave Anthony]

I think about my dad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop talking about your dad.

[Dave Anthony]

The person who killed him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, are you capable of bloodshed today if we need it? I don't know. I just started thinking about how the fuck does a guy watch his dad die on the streets and not turn out to be Batman, but is groveling about going into a dark.

[Dave Anthony]

Shut up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut up.

[Dave Anthony]

God damn it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're fighting pretend Germans. Oh, God damn it. All right, look, fine. You'll do a fence. You'll do a fence?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'll do a fence?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I can't wait to hide behind a fence.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait.

[Dave Anthony]

Fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. German fucks. All right, all right, look. Hey, hey. Hey. Hey, fence man. Hey. Hey. Hey. I'm the fencer. Hey. Hey. Fucking animals. Hey. Hey. Are you going to be able to handle today? Are you sure?

[Dave Anthony]

Because it's a roller coaster.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but it's just. Look, get your fucking head in the game, okay? Yeah, just. It's easy. It's easy.

[Dave Anthony]

I went to a really dark place there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's where I assigned you originally.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I meant. I meant the other. Fucked up. Thinking of my dad again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We got it. The first bloodshed might have to come from Hank.

[Dave Anthony]

So they wore white armbands.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

So you can tell each other always.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, cool. You suck too.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, you're also a piece of shit. Hey, how are you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, what's up?

[Dave Anthony]

Their instructions were to pick up and arrest every, quote, suspicious. Suspicious looking individual.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what's great about the plant and I know they didn't do this, but literally, if at any point they just been like, hey, we should also wear white armbands, their plan would have been completely fucking ruined.

[Dave Anthony]

They'd been like, yeah, Fuck yeah, sir.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone's wearing white armbands.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, fuck. We'll kill each other.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Germans. Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

Shoot your friend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Kill.

[Dave Anthony]

So they already had a list of people that the mining companies had given them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

Not just strikers, but like storekeepers and contractors and anyone who's sympathetic to the strikers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, sure.

[Dave Anthony]

So even ex Governor Hunt is on the list, but he wasn't actually there that day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

By 6:30am There were 2,000 deputized vigilantes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that is, yeah. Doesn't sound like a lot until you're walking the streets and you're like, that's a lot of vigilantes. It's like, beat it out here.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, to me, like, 12 is a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

12'S plenty. Yeah. It's like the Guardian Angels who are like, oh, boy.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, those fucking guys.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll tell you, you'll find if you go on Twitter and talk shit about the Guardian, there's a lot of people like, dude, I hear you, but they're okay, buddy. When my grandpa cosplays with a beret.

[Dave Anthony]

Nobody, Nobody with a beret should be listened to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know. Just, Just ever.

[Dave Anthony]

You're like, you're out the fuck out of here. Especially in New York.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're wearing a beret and then there's a subway right after. Like, let me get a foot long. Hey, Guardian Ang, have your order before you get up to the counter. What is spicy Italian? Is that salami? Is it Genoa?

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, Christ. The fuck. This isn't a subway at all.

[Dave Anthony]

So they raided homes, they seized men on the street, and they took guys as they were eating in restaurants and they were shopping in stores. Each guy, they asked if he was willing to work, and if he said no, he was taken.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. What if they said, yeah, I guess.

[Dave Anthony]

They go to work? Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You really to work?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. All right. Fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold on. We're gonna figure out a job. This guy wants to work.

[Dave Anthony]

So that was the people who were not on the list that they did that to. If your name's on the list, they didn't ask anything. They just grabbed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

A man was eating breakfast when two vigilantes pushed through his front door, guns out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

And they asked if he sympathized with the strikers, and he said yes. And he was taken away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Eating waffles.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're coming with us.

[Dave Anthony]

Another guy didn't wake up from the knocks on his door. And so four armed men kicked in the door and yanked him out of bed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

His wife begged them to let him dress, but they dragged him outside in his nightgown.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I mean, look, that was what people wore. I was just saying, nobody had pajamas. There's a reason why we stopped, and it's events like this. Come on. I'm bringing it back. I'm coming back with nightgowns. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck, yeah. I'm fucking back in. And sleeping caps. I don't give a fuck. Fuck you. Sleeping caps are back.

[Dave Anthony]

That's the dumbest thing ever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm sleeping like Curly from the Three Stooges.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm going to bed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Where's my hat? I'm going to bed with a nightcap, a nightgown, and I'm holding a candle as I do it.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, Christ. You gonna shit in a chamber pot?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I am. Yeah. I'm crapping in a chamber pot. I'm fucking doing it.

[Dave Anthony]

Who does the sexy whistling?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey. Yeah, they don't. It's hot, boy. I'm just fixing. Hey, I'm wearing light blue, too. So if a little light hits me, you might see a thing or two.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, you mean.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. You mean it.

[Dave Anthony]

See through.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You can see the silhouette of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Exactly.

[Dave Anthony]

The junk, as it were.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll hold the candle near it, you'll see dung.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Now, when you're shitting in the chamber pot, does it hang inside or outside?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I put it over my head like a ghost. There's a ghost shitting in your room? No, honey.

[Dave Anthony]

Boom.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm making boom. Oh, I gotta do It. I'm going nightgown.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I mean, I would. Yeah, you have to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I have to.

[Dave Anthony]

You gotta make a video every night when you go to bed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Every night. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

It's Reynolds signing off. And then you, Sash, I'm assuming you're sashay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course I am. Sashay over to your bed and I, like, make 30 TikToks and it gets no likes. And I'm like, pathetic. What the fuck am I doing? This is crazy. Looking at nightgowns online. Put it in the cart. Decide later.

[Dave Anthony]

A union marshal who was. Sorry, a U.S. marshal who was there, quote, the move was not made against the IWWs alone, but against every man who has ever been known to give voice to his opinions openly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's good. Yeah, that's good. I was. I thought they were disgraced. That's good. It's everybody. Everybody who has a thought.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's good.

[Dave Anthony]

Men who did not belong to any organization were picked up, as well as members of the afl. So I love that the guys who. The guys who had left the union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now hated and wanted to be deputized.

[Dave Anthony]

We're also getting paid. We're. Now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're like, you, too. You're coming with us. Like, wait, what the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I fucking hate. Oh, God damn it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut the fuck up, will you? Work. Yeah. All right. Come to my house.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I got some furniture I can't put together.

[Dave Anthony]

Hold on. Are you the nightgown chamber pot guy?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah. I'm building myself a big bunk bed.

[Dave Anthony]

Christ, what does that even mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I said something flippantly, and here we are. Now I'm crapping in a bucket and I don't have any lights. I wear a fucking hat to bed. Fucking nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

Grocery store owners were arrested. Quote, vigilantes took over stores, sold their goods, and fought with each other over the sharing of the remaining inventory.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. I mean, I only. I only like that from the. Like, as a customer, you walk in, you're like, I could completely shoplift today. Yeah, it's like the first year of the electronic checkout where you're like, all right, you fucking idiots. Yeah, here we go.

[Dave Anthony]

I wouldn't say first year. I would say last week with me also.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But, yeah, wrap it up. Well, they're watching.

[Dave Anthony]

It was only. Target was the only store that sold it. So what are you gonna do? Fuck you, Target.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I agree. Not probe Target. They're figuring it out.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm saying you can't figure out me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The idea that there's a chance I might See, your name on an arrest list for target is awesome. And then to know what you stole, it'd be great.

[Dave Anthony]

Seltzer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like candles, ping pong balls. I'm like, this is pathetic. Is he okay? I didn't know he liked Mike's hard lemonade.

[Dave Anthony]

They were also just picking up people at random.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So. Really? Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everybody. Yeah. They were anti discrimination. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So Thomas English was a union member.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Tommy English. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Thomas English.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thomas English. Yeah, go on.

[Dave Anthony]

At 7am, someone. What happened?

[Gareth Reynolds]

He fucking flipped you off, so I told him to go fuck himself. I got your back, babe.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I do, babe.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't trust nightgowns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll tell you what. If you were a nightgown in a nightcap, you and I could share a room. Finally. Think of the hijinks. It's gonna be hilarious. We'll find trapdoors in our room. What?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Black and white.

[Dave Anthony]

What are you talking about?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're gonna be silent film stars. We're not.

[Dave Anthony]

So Thomas English is in his house and at 7am, someone knocks on his door and he says, come in. And three men enter and ask him if he is working. And he said, no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

So they seized him but would not say why. They also grabbed his border. James Brew, who was an ex miner, Orson McCrae of the Citizens Protective League and mine shift boss and three others went to his room.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How many people were in this place?

[Dave Anthony]

There's 17,000 people in this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

People are like, in this boarding house?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, there's 17,000.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow. So these three guys go to James Brewer's room and order him outside. And so Brew just shot through the door.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you have a picture of Jim Brewer? Next.

[Dave Anthony]

I couldn't find it. But this. We finally have a hero. And he killed Orson McCrae.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, shit. All right. Nice. I don't know.

[Dave Anthony]

He has like. He has like a statue or something in. In Bisbee. Like, they were like, there's our hero. Not. Not the McCrados. Not the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Not the James Brew. The good guy. So the other three men then shot and killed Brew. So he's dead by 7am By 7.30am, a large group of men were lined up under armed guard in the plaza. And the sun is now already really hot because you guys fucking live here. Which is the craziest thing of all. Just imagine living in a desert during dystopia times. What have you done? Go to somewhere hot and wet. You live underground. It's dystopian. Did you Guys not know. This is dystopian. Yeah. Yes. It's very dystopian.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Vegas exists so they can go there and be like, yuck. It's the Vegas people who. They're like. They're like, eh, fuck you. They're like, have you been to Dubai?

[Dave Anthony]

Vegas? You guys don't have people underground like they do in Vegas to you, do you? Do underground people live here, too?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The are you. I hate.

[Dave Anthony]

Did you not know about the underground people?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The. I. Dude, I just started wearing a nightgown. What is happening?

[Dave Anthony]

There's thousands of people living underground in Vegas. What? They live in the storm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, because of Elon made the underground city.

[Dave Anthony]

I love that he built tunnels and he put in a stoplight under there. What a great thing you've made here. What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What an advancement.

[Dave Anthony]

Some guy just sitting in the side.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's literally like, there's rides at Disney that are better than that. He's like, the future is so close, and we're gonna be there. And you see said, we're gonna be at Mars in 2026.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

Next year, we're gonna be at Mars. But he said today he's not on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Kidding me? It's so good.

[Dave Anthony]

So 7:30am, a large group of men are lined up under armed guard in the plaza. The sun is already hot, so two women bring out a tub of water so they could drink. And guards kick the tub over before any of the men could drink it. Quote, the sons of bitches don't get a drink.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There.

[Dave Anthony]

You fucking drink water.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Those women with the tub are like, oh, my God. That was a lot of water. I told you we should have done cups. Just get one big trough. All right, piggies. A tub.

[Dave Anthony]

So in rows of 10, the men are marched two miles to Warren ballpark. Hey, you guys want to see a game?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, where is it?

[Dave Anthony]

So they're being marched out of Bisbee to a ballpark that is. Oh, to a ballpark for some reason, two miles away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't play baseball in this fucking town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So Sheriff Wheeler rode alongside in an open Ford car which was owned and driven by Father Mandan, a Catholic priest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nice, Father Mandan.

[Dave Anthony]

But the priests are on the side of the assholes. It's just always amazing to me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I know. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Although. Yeah. What am I saying? The child molesters. So. No, that's not true.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Allegedly.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. What a broad stroke. I done half. So half a priest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So that's the pessimistic way of looking at it. The optimist says the church is half full with non molesters. That's something to be proud of.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep. So the Father Wheeler is driving alongside with the sheriff in the car, so the sheriff can yell at everybody, and he's screaming and swearing at them as they walk. And right besides me, right besides Wheeler in the priest's car, they've mounted a 7.62 millimeter Martin machine gun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy fuck. Who's German in this? Jesus fucking Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

And then you were like, oh, no, that I didn't. I'm not caving on that one, okay? They don't know what they're talking about. They can also out of line on that one.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

As excited as you're talking about your homies.

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it's also at the end of your hydro row, they're giving you badges that you're winning awards. There's a whole system in there you.

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Without question. But it's also, it's like if you, you still want to lift weights and things like that, you can do that, but you also, then if you want to do cardio as well, hydro is perfect because you're not overdoing it on any part of your body. It's. They really is like proper rowing form is like, like, it's like you said, 86% of your muscles are getting squeezed.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, you can track all your progress and stuff, which is nice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. When I'm gone, I think about the hydro all the time.

[Dave Anthony]

They have hydrometrics.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm not kidding.

[Dave Anthony]

I know you do, but you think about a lot of stuff. That worries me also now with a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hydro, I'm like, man, when I get back, I'm in a row.

[Dave Anthony]

That's great. They got instructors, they got classes, they got it all. Gareth loves the hydro. He's actually going to marry it, which we're going to talk about at another point. But here's what we're saying. We're saying skip the gym, not the workout. Stay on track with the new Hydro Arc, Hydro's most advanced rower yet. And for a limited time, go to hydro.com and use code Dolph to get $100 off any hydro rower, including ARC. That's H Y-R-O-W.com code Dollop. Get involved, get involved.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll see you out there. I'll see you on the river, Charles.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Also, the selection of cutie pies that you could go through. I mean, there are so many options.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Whether they're on or off, they're breathing. I've seen mine. Mine was huffing and puffing the other day in the room.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I think it was on the hydro.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Who are you?

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, we're gonna be on tour, so we'd like you. Let's see them.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

Ah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't be scared. You'll fangs me later.

[Dave Anthony]

What are you doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Me?

[Dave Anthony]

All right, back to the show, I mean.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, Sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

That's not great. So there's about 2,000 guys. There's three women in the ballpark stockade. They were told if they cut all IWW ties and went back to worse, they would be released.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ. I mean, they're the literal. Okay, what the.

[Dave Anthony]

They're. They're. They're held there for hours and hundreds of men do recant and are allowed to leave, even go back to work. The women were also let go because the vigilantes were told they'd sue Phelps Dodge for mistreatment. No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, shit. Well, I did not see that coming. It's fucking crazy. I didn't know they would do that. What are they so mad about? They're just in a pen.

[Dave Anthony]

It was a big deal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're in a hot pen.

[Dave Anthony]

Men who were known associates with the labor movement could not be recant and hundreds refused to go anyway. They responded to the vigilantes who gave him a kickball.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They turned a on. They're a fun. Look at these guys.

[Dave Anthony]

They responded to the vigilantes asking if they want to recant with catcalls, hoots, jeers, swearing, and songs I like, obviously.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The cat calling's great.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. You look pretty. Jimmy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Recant.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, really? You want me to recant all these?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. You doing, sweet ass.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stop it.

[Dave Anthony]

I like your jeans, Jimbo.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Recant.

[Dave Anthony]

Take off your belt, kid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If I'm there, singing's great.

[Dave Anthony]

If I'm there, I'm swearing. I'm just a swearing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm singing. I'm doing my own song.

[Dave Anthony]

You're singing and I'm over there going.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. There was a boy we all knew named A little Shamrock Fuck. He was the boy. He'd work right around the clock. Shit, tit, piss. What a lad he was and what a tongue on the boy.

[Dave Anthony]

Ball, sack, fuck, ass.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When people ask him what he were up to, he'd just say, I'm Coyote.

[Dave Anthony]

I like that one. Fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shit you.

[Dave Anthony]

At 11am 23 cattle train boxcars arrived and they were forced on board.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, what the fuck? I'm not trying to be rude, but they were like the ones who were like, you're the German.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. Yeah. They're like, you guys are the Germans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You've got German tendencies.

[Dave Anthony]

Hold on. I know you brought up German.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Germans. Shut the fuck up. Get the train.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So they put them on trains.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There are so many. I mean, we're not the Germans.

[Dave Anthony]

You are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There are so many people, it looks like Coachella.

[Dave Anthony]

Shocking. Most boxcars had, quote, over three inches of manure on the floors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Christ. What the fuck? Oh, man, that's a lot of shit.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. 10 miles east of Douglas, the train stopped and water barrels were put on the cars. About 200 armed men watched the train quote while machine guns on two knolls guarded the station. What in the fuck did they think was gonna happen?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are. What are they.

[Dave Anthony]

Where.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are they doing with the water?

[Dave Anthony]

They're putting it on the train. So the guys actually, because they were like, oh, these guys will die.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are gonna die. Okay. So there is like. But then they just have machine guns trained at them.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just to be like, drink the water.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, drink the fucking water.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut the fuck up. Hey, nightgown. Pour it on the front of your gown.

[Dave Anthony]

Atta boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look at his nippy. Look at how hard his nipples are, Hank. Last time I wear this to bed, you know, before this, wearing a night dress made a little more sense to me.

[Dave Anthony]

Wait, did you say night dress?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's right. I mean night. Like, nightgown's better.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a little better.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a gown. I'm going to an event. This is my nightgown.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm putting on my night skirt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A nightgown is the craziest. Oh, fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

So the train then leaves for Columbus, New Mexico, 173 miles east of Bisbee. And they had to stand for the whole time in these packed airless cars in the July heat, which is. It's. It's not that bad in July. And Arizona.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Here it's quite moderate that time of year. Here, especially if you're standing on poop.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're going to be fine.

[Dave Anthony]

The water barrels were quickly drunk by all the thirsty men. Quote, they stood in cow manure over the shoe. Over their shoe tops, while weaker prisoners were allowed to sit in the filth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You guys enjoy the water? I'm going to eat this ground chocolate. Tommy. Huh?

[Dave Anthony]

It's not bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll tell you what. I don't know if I'm delirious or what, but I'm loving the floor.

[Dave Anthony]

After Columbus, the train went to Hermanas, New Mexico, arriving at 3am on July 13. They had been without water and food at this point for 12 hours.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

They were kept there for two days.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck is the plan?

[Dave Anthony]

In the boxcars, while guards stood on top of with guns. And they would occasionally shoot to intimidate them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What is the plan?

[Dave Anthony]

What the plan?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Get him out of town. But this. They're out of town. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Keep the train going. Just never stops moving.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Keep taking them places. You boys want to get out and walk around? It's turning into a bit of a cruise. You guys like papaya? Come on. This guy's got the best papaya known.

[Dave Anthony]

Bisbee labor attorney William Cleary put out a statement describing the events. Dodge. Phelp. This is. Okay, so he. So he's the Only guy that has put out any news to anybody. That lawyer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Dodge.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Phelp.

[Dave Anthony]

Officials had been censoring AP dispatchers from Bisbee. Quote, they read every dispatch and decided what could or could not be sent out by way. Western Union.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So it's basically kidnapping. Massive scale.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's even beyond that. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

When Cleary sent out his statement, the country finally learned what had been going on. The New York Times, quote, Arizona ships 1100 IWWs out in cattle cars.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See even that headline?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. With classic Times.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It could use, like, a lot more information in the headline if he really wanted to get people strikers go on tour of country.

[Dave Anthony]

The Times also called the Wobblies vagrants and did not mention that AFL members, grocery store and restaurant owners were also deported.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They love that shit. They love that shit. They've just got term buckets where they're like, are we pro or anti this? Oh, okay, then they're rescuers.

[Dave Anthony]

The Times did publish part of Clery's statement which said that they were asking for $6 a day and that copper was selling at 14 to 15 cents a pound. And the miners had been very peaceful during the strike.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So miners had been living in Bisbee for years, and they had wives and kids and families. And, like, some were military.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Regular people, you mean?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

Some were military reservists and they bought liberty bonds for the war. And now they're being called traitors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

The Bieber Daily Review.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Bieber Daily Review.

[Dave Anthony]

It's actually. Yes. It's his family.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is it?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Damn it. Wanted it so bad.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah. The Bieber Daily Review was thrilled. Quote, no longer does a blot remain on the estate. I don't know what that word is. A Bisbee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah.

[Dave Anthony]

Nope. Not trying it because you guys are mean again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We believe in you, Reading Rainbow. We believe in you, Dave. We believe in you.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a scoocha.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A scooch.

[Dave Anthony]

Whatever. I don't give a shit anymore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Reading Rainbow. Don't swear on the show.

[Dave Anthony]

What does a scutcheon mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Reading Rainbow.

[Dave Anthony]

Anybody?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What is it called?

[Dave Anthony]

A scutcheon, she says. A scutche says what? What? A shield. A shield. Just say shield. The fuck?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're Americans. Oh, now. Now you're pro American, huh? Oh, now you love us.

[Dave Anthony]

Set the trains on fire.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck? What are you talking about?

[Dave Anthony]

Wobulism. Wobblyism has passed with the labyrinth of things discarded as a coat is shaken from the back as a boil is lanced and cleansed of its contents.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Without President in This or any other country or any other age was the occurrence of yesterday. It marked a golden date on the calendar.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy.

[Dave Anthony]

When the law abiding people of the community drove from their midst of the Wobbly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. So, yeah, boy. Bieber's parents were not cool up grandparents.

[Dave Anthony]

Most papers around the country agreed with that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or that's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's not, really.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, it's not. But it's also crazy. Yeah. No co signers.

[Dave Anthony]

They made fun of the vigilantes for taking it too far, though. They'd be like, well, you guys, the. The train was a little bit much.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, water, really.

[Dave Anthony]

And make him stand in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good lord.

[Dave Anthony]

But kidnap and just send around. Yeah. The New York Times said the sheriff went too far and was dangerous for making his own law. But also, Sheriff Wheeler was, quote, on the right track when he'd instructed his deputies to arrest the Wobbly men on charges of vagrancy. Imprisonment was not the answer. Imprisonment was the answer, not deportation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You gotta love how much, like, the traditionalists in this country are like, we were founded upon these rights. Inalienable. And they're like, but also, yeah, they should just go to jail right away. We don't need to know what they did. They don't need to have had a crime. You could throw them out in the middle of the night while they're eating waffles or even in a nightgown. Like this little weirdo over here. I didn't know.

[Dave Anthony]

For further shows. Any show after this, you should have to wear a nightgown.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not gonna be a problem. It'll be awesome if I just. On social media, people are like, what is he. Is he wearing that? Only now. Hello. Walking around like the Dalai Lama. How are you? How are you? Hello, I'm a sheetman.

[Dave Anthony]

So the men have been deported from Drone to Needles were allowed to return, but the Bisbee guys, it's permanent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're not.

[Dave Anthony]

They're not going.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. On July 4th, the Daily Review reported that. That at Hermanas, the men were threatened with death and bodily harm if they ever returned to Bisbee.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Happy Independence Day, everybody.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, they will not be allowed to come back. We have been slow to act, but once started, it is a finished fight. The serious business of this district is the mining of copper ore, not the building of night schools of anarchism, or idling on the streets or picketing public places and private works.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just so fucking crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Someone hit that guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Night schools for anarchy.

[Dave Anthony]

What do you want to learn at night? Fucking Animals, night schools, the armada. Sheriff wired the New Mexico governor warning, quote, serious trouble is threatened. Yeah, because you just took.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

1200 dudes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just hit a wasp's nest with a stick.

[Dave Anthony]

The governor said the wobbly should be treated humanely but not allowed to cause trouble. He told the sheriff to feed them after learning that they were facing starvation. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold on. I'm telling you. So you think we got to feed him?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, we did put them in boxcars with tons of poop.

[Dave Anthony]

Well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then we had them all put their pants in a pile and they swapped pants. And then we played a game where we tried to guess whose pants was whose pants. The only guy we knew was the one poor fellow who had to throw a nightgown in the pile.

[Dave Anthony]

That son of a bitch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was very obvious.

[Dave Anthony]

That's the guy who sings, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yeah. He was standing there naked while he was trying to find some pants. That one got sad, honestly. But maybe get him a burger or something.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They can't eat the poop. We thought they could, but they can't eat poop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Okay. That's a bummer. All right. Well, just having so much fun here.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it is pretty fun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's a hell of a time. Every good thing got to come to an end, I guess. I love you. What? Huh? I said goodbye.

[Dave Anthony]

What are we doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The just happened.

[Dave Anthony]

He also wired DC and told President Wilson to take charge. Now AF President. Afl. President Gompers. So AFL President Goppers got so many letters complaining of government inaction that he told President Wilson government agencies were ignoring them or being hostile. And Wilson told the Secretary of War to investigate and also Governor Campbell, that he was worried about people taking the law into their own hands. And then the governor just asked Sheriff Wheeler why the deportations happened. Quote, I can protect law abiding and peaceful citizens, but I cannot guarantee the technical rights of lawbreakers and criminals. I would not endanger the lives of loyal American citizens in attempting to protect the Wobblies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. I mean, we are so far gone.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Wilson had the military escort the deportees from Hermanas to Columbus and put them up in a tent colony that was made for Mexican refugees during border raids.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

We'll get rid of those. A reporter quote. When the unshaved and unwashed crowd marched up to the refugee camp this afternoon, they presented the strangest sight. Many were without hats.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, now I'm against them. Rules are rules. The scoop. Disgusting.

[Dave Anthony]

And they wore soiled handkerchiefs on their Head to keep off hot sun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're fucking dying, boy. They look pretty unpresentable for a few guys who have been living in trains for five days.

[Dave Anthony]

Others limp from blistered feet. While old men and the physically unfit had difficulty in marching the mile to the camp from the railroad. They obey orders without comment and seem to have accepted their fate.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the.

[Dave Anthony]

Awesome.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How many? We're all going back to camps. That is what is like the amount of times in this country where it's like, we are the free place. We also have camps. So there's camps. If you're not doing what we say, we got camps. We got camps.

[Dave Anthony]

So New York Times reporters said men were hopeful that they wouldn't be there long and thought the president would order them. Would order. They could go home.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course. I mean, but of course you'd be like, this is nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This can't keep going.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Day nine.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Quote, there's no information in camp upon which to base this supposition. Yeah. Because they thought this is crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. They were like, it's unfathomable. They were like, it can't be.

[Dave Anthony]

Ex Governor Hunt investigated and reported that the deportees organized their own police force in a later elected an executive committee to represent them. Quote, they are wholly unable to comprehend why their strike should be associated with the war or held by anyone to be an act of unfaithfulness to the government in its emergency.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Classic German reaction. But we were just being cutie pies. Whoopsie, poopsie. We made a whoopsie.

[Dave Anthony]

Collectively, they have suffered a great wrong and most sacred principles of human liberty, upon which our government is founded have been shockingly violated. Yes, America, a bunch more. On September 17, 1917, when their rations were cut to half, the last deportees left the camp. But now, how many days is that? September 17th. I mean, it's been a long fucking time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, what?

[Dave Anthony]

So July 12th. So they've been.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a. That's a while.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How.

[Dave Anthony]

How long? July, August, September. It's two months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Two months. That's all. You're just. Just two months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a vacation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, they were just literally like, don't worry. They're gonna come get us. I know it's day 40, but they. This is crazy. At some point.

[Dave Anthony]

And then they're like, let's cut their food in half. We're not going anywhere. Fuck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll tell you what. I'm never wearing a nightgown again because it's the worst Outfit to take anywhere. It's a bed ensemble. I mean, it is a big hanky which has come in handy.

[Dave Anthony]

Only a few were allowed to return to Bisbee, and only because their mining skills were badly needed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. That is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

The company's created a passport system between Bisbee and other towns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A Bisbee passport. Are you coming to business to be for a business of pleasure? The fuck do you think? Are you out of your goddamn mind? What?

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, they hold court in the Copper Queen dispensary where men are examined as to their right to stay in town. And all the crossroads are lined with Cossacks who examine everyone going or coming from town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. We should give a shout out to the Copper Queen dispensary as a sponsor. I don't know if you guys do cbd. Dave and I love this stuff. You just take one of these little packets you put in your water, you're gonna sleep like a goddamn baby in a nightgown. Go ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

They would hold a kangaroo court, and anyone heading to Bisbee was stopped outside the city and taken before the court, which ruled whether or not they could stay, leave voluntarily, or go to jail. Jail.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the. What the.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, they up. They went on strike. What do you want?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I want more money. It's not like going to San Diego. This is Bisby. Bisby. Bisbee's like, well, how long are you gonna be staying here?

[Dave Anthony]

Isn't that where Stanhope lives?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bisby.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it is where Stanhope lives. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It actually finally makes sense. Sense.

[Dave Anthony]

Passports were issued by the Douglas Chamber of commerce and Mines. You had to carry a passport at all times. Hundreds of men went through the sheriff's court. Quote, trials were secret, and a verdict of deportation was promptly and forcibly executed by deputy sheriffs. At the same time, the sheriff established guards at all entrances to the district who examined every person attempting to enter to exclude the camp from any stray wobbly that might drift in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

In a stray wobbly?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. That's terrifying.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just sounds like a terrifying. Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Didn't matter how long they were away or if they had families in town they were not allowed to enter. They were immediately arrested for vagrancy, brought before the court, and encouraged to leave town or put in jail. Now, e. So a Zambree refuses to leave after coming from the Columbus camp, and he gets put in jail for three months. And. And they threatened to lynch him if he doesn't leave. Wow. So they. All these guys who have been deported plead to President Wilson and he sends a five man commission out and they hear testimony for five days in November. And they severely criticize those responsible for the deportation. It had been decided at a meeting on July 11 of Mayan managers that this is what they do. Miners managers. There's no justification, quote, the deportation was wholly illegal and without authority in law, either state or federal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, there you go. Yeah, well, I mean, there I go kind of what the took so long. You know, we looked into it and we crunched the numbers and. You can't do that. Yeah, you're not allowed to do that.

[Dave Anthony]

Who knew you couldn't just take half a town and put it on a train?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You can't take a town, train them to another place and just keep them there for two months. And now that we know, we feel awful. We lost our heads back there.

[Dave Anthony]

All actions had to cease and that those who took part would be prosecuted by the state. And Congress should pass a law making a crime so it didn't happen again. Look, Congress is going to pass a law saying you can't put everybody on train.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't we order.

[Dave Anthony]

No, nobody knew.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Isn't that already insinuated?

[Dave Anthony]

How are you supposed to know you can't do that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now we know we're not going to do it again. We didn't realize you weren't allowed to do that. Nobody told us. I'm sorry. Good Lord. Knowing what we know now, that is a bit ridiculous.

[Dave Anthony]

The Department of Justice opened an investigation, and on May 15, 1918, 21 miles officials were arrested for conspiracy to injure, oppress, threaten and intimidate U.S. citizens.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, treason is not on that list. Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

Sheriff Wheeler was fighting in France, so he was not arrested. He was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

He was fighting. He was in the war.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. He's fighting in France. More Germans. Everyone's a German but me.

[Dave Anthony]

The defense said no federal laws have been violated.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I agree with that.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, so did the court.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck me. What the.

[Dave Anthony]

The Justice Department then appealed, and in late 1920, Supreme Court of the United States ruled that it was a state matter.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the. What you gotta love government and courts in this country. All this hubbub for all this. The United States of America. And they were like, well, you decide.

[Dave Anthony]

We don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're little.

[Dave Anthony]

So obviously there was no prosecution. There were civil suits filed. Over 6 million in civil suits. So the first guy to come up was Harry Wooten, who was a minor. And he was tried and he. Sorry. He was a Phelps Dodge employee against the miners. He was called the Loyalty Leaguer. So he was in a different group. I didn't Bring up the Loyalty League.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And so they tried him and he was acquitted. And then the jurors agreed the deportation quote, had been a good thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ought to be in that like, like, room when they were deliberating.

[Dave Anthony]

It's great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Just like. So we all agree. That was pretty awesome what they did. Everyone's cool with that. All right, we're ready to go.

[Dave Anthony]

Other civil suit plaintiffs were then dropped. A few settlements were reached out of court. Married men with a kid got 12. $1,200. Married men without kids got a thousand rating. Single men got five.

[Gareth Reynolds]

500. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You can buy like a wagon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Twelve hundred dollars. Not gown money.

[Dave Anthony]

The President's commission got agreements from management and the union not to interfere in the war effort by interrupting copper production. Nothing about increasing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So funny that the reason to stop what you're doing is for war. It's the most American shit ever. Look, don't put our citizens in camp because we're actually fighting a war. So we need the copper.

[Dave Anthony]

Could you chill?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Could you just chill?

[Dave Anthony]

So it guaranteed no wobbly could take a militant stand by including the provision that, quote, no employment should be made available for IWW members or other. Or for other persons who had been guilty of disloyal utterances against the U.S. the President Moyer, the AFL guy, hailed the agreement and threatened to cancel the charter of any law local that turned it down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

The mining companies rehired all who went on strike except the ones in a union. Union power decrease in Arizona and would continue.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why do you think that was?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know. That would continue until the New Deal, when the major copper companies were at last organized. The Brisby deportations ended up creating a horrible precedent for the US democracy, especially for Mexican workers. It led to the rationalization for removal. And it helped deportation become accepted as necessary to get rid of an unwanted population.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't wait. I mean, it always is so fucking hysterical that that is something that the white governments are like, we do that. We were here first. It's like if you trace it back a little bit further, you might be on a train. I'll be the Jeff Foxworthy of you might be on a train, then you just might be on a train.

[Dave Anthony]

So it becomes a tool when workers and owners were at odds. And then mass deportations of Mexicans happen during. During the 1930s. And then. Yeah, that's it. And then nothing else.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Really.

[Dave Anthony]

And now it's fine. We fixed it. I hope there's a. I hope someone brought another right winger friend. No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck. Fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

It's fine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tell you what, it's hard to take my faith in this country away, but somehow you've done it. Oh, that's so fucked. That's just. It is. It's the never changing kaleidoscope of bullshit that we just keep getting fed, where you're just like, oh, gosh, thank God that's over. Never over. We're just.

[Dave Anthony]

It's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's all. Everything's a cicada. It just has a minute where you don't hear about it and then you're like, sorry, we're doing what? You're like, oh, we did that like 50 other times. You just weren't here. He was reading about it, but you were in a nightgown.

[Dave Anthony]

It's fine. Everything's fine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fuck. I. Oh, that's the worst. That's the worst. Picture this. You're right. You are right. Not clapping. You could have clapping, by the way.

[Dave Anthony]

Dude, you could have just given them the money. Just like we could just take away Elon's money and build his money. They can just take all their money and then they're. And then what? 40 guys are. And we're all living good. Yeah, I mean, that's really what it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, the. The.

[Dave Anthony]

It is the take away the money. I don't give a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is the idea.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I mean literally take. No toxic. I mean, literally take away their money and leave them in barrels on the street. Like, that's how.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fucking imagine just how much better society would be if you just had Bezos Musk. All these fucking.

[Dave Anthony]

Zuckerberg.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Zuckerberg. All of them. Like just 10 of them on a train in a pile of horseshit, just firing a gun every. Every 10 minutes and then making them. And then making them, like to share handfuls of water. And you know who's in the nightgown on that train? Me. You guys. I live here.

[Dave Anthony]

Doing a little dance in the corner.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, boys, aren't you the Facebook guy? Everything's got seeds. Well, I think it is crazy. We'll get the fuck out of here. But it is crazy that the solution is always to deport or vilify or blame. And truly, if we just deported that one piece of fucking shit. What a move. How great would that be? You could win a lot on Deep or Musk. Oh, yeah, you could go far. If you were just like. If you just stuck in there everything they threw at you, you're like, my opponent's not gonna deport Elon Musk. I am going to do that I'm going to get him the fuck out of here. He is going to Mars in 2026. It's happening in pieces. In pieces. We're gonna chuck him out today. We send his stomach. Thank you guys so much. Appreciate it. That's coming out. What's up, Garrett Force doll heads. It's Garret Force. Listen, I don't know what's going on anymore. Listen, go to garethreynolds.com because I have a lot of shows coming up. I'll be in San Diego, California, September 21st. Chandler, Arizona, September 24th, Springfield, Missouri, the 26th, 27th, four shows. Columbia, Missouri, September 28th. I will be at in Wichita, Kansas on September 30th at Vorgays. I'll be in Appleton, Wisconsin, October 1st, Fort Wayne, Indiana, for two shows on October 3rd. Then I'm taping my special at the Den October 4th, Saturday, October 4th at Chicago, Illinois, garethreynolds.com Also I'll be at Rooster T Feathers in Sunnyvale, California, November 6th, 7th, 8th. I'll be in Omaha, Nebraska at the Funny Bone, November 28th. November 29th, I will be in Vancouver, British Columbia, December 2nd. And then I will also be in Seattle and Eugene right after that. Gareth reynolds.com for tickets and information. Come on, Garreforce, let's party.