707 - Mike Lindell - part 2

Summary

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

Episode 707 - Mike Lindell, Part 2
Release Date: October 28, 2025
Podcast Theme: American history tales told through comedic storytelling, this time focusing on the rise, fall, and further bizarre saga of Mike Lindell, the MyPillow founder, notorious for his drug addiction, wild business practices, and political controversies.

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Episode Overview

This episode is the second half of the Dollop’s deep-dive into the chaotic life of Mike Lindell. Comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds recount Lindell’s journey from a small-town pillow entrepreneur and full-blown crack addict, through a ludicrous series of business misadventures, personal spirals, supposed divine interventions, and his eventual rise (and fall) as a right-wing celebrity and election conspiracy mogul. The story, primarily derived from Lindell’s own improbable autobiography ("What are the Odds: From Crack Addict to CEO"), is told with unrelenting skepticism, incredulity, and heavy comedic riffing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Lindell's Pillow Obsession and Early "Innovation"

• (04:08) Mike Lindell, amid heavy meth use, becomes obsessed with inventing the “perfect pillow”. His family quickly tires of his pillow talk.
• (05:39) He goes on “pillow research” expeditions to Bed Bath & Beyond, squishing pillows to the point of suspicious behavior.

  Dave Anthony: “That's a lot of drug behavior there."
  Gareth Reynolds (05:02): “‘Nope, just doing some pillow research.’”

• (05:52) Mike enlists his son to hand-tear foam into hundreds of combinations searching for the perfect filler, months of trial-and-error under drug-fueled intensity.

Funding Dreams with Gambling

• (07:22) To produce his first real run of pillows, Mike and Karen (his wife) head to Biloxi, counting cards to finance their dream—and win $14,000.
• (08:12) Mike builds 250 pillows, debuts them at a mall show (Eden Prairie), gets little traction… until meeting a Home & Garden show organizer, launching his demo-based sales success.

Addiction Pervades All

• (10:07) Mike cycles between his new “addiction” to selling pillows and continued reliance on cocaine and crack.

  Dave Anthony: "He just found a new one… still totally coke—like, of course. And also crack. He’s doing crack.”
  Gareth Reynolds (10:07): “Oh my god, he replaced crack with pillows.”

• (13:07) Paranoid, Mike snorts his entire cocaine stash when he believes a helicopter is following him; it was only pillows in his truck.

Rocketing Sales, Mounting Failures

• (13:45) Mike’s booth at the Minnesota State Fair becomes a huge hit—tens of thousands earned daily—but his gambling spirals. He gets suckered by “mob hotlines” and promptly loses $50,000.
• (18:23) After a “bookie intervention,” Mike claims he stops sports gambling—a claim the hosts doubt as pure Lindell myth-making.

The “Walking Coma” and Popcorn Miracle

• (35:07) Crack addiction destroys both marriage and business. Mike recounts falling into a “walking coma” (doctor-diagnosed) until a friend brings him chocolate-covered popcorn—miraculously snapping him out.

  Dave Anthony: “The popcorn snack snapped him out of his walking coma!” (36:26)

Divine Intervention… by Phone

• (37:05–40:05) Multiple callers claim “God told me to pray for you,” including a robot voice. Mike writes that these calls encouraged his mission—while he continued to do cocaine on mute.
• (39:03) Gareth Reynolds (mocking): “Now he wasn’t visited by Christ…”

Hitting “Rock Bottom”

• (45:02) MyPillow finances collapse in 2009; by his account, Lindell abruptly quits crack and booze overnight, “no struggle, no traumatic episode.” The hosts call this out as false addict narrative.

Rebirth, Self-Branding, and the Infomercial Era

• (49:31) Facing public accusations of addiction and criminal business practices, Mike leans into his “redemption” story, making former crack addiction a centerpiece of his pillow brand for Christian America.
• (56:38) Two events supercharge the business: Don Imus lauds MyPillow on air, and a blockbuster infomercial explodes sales from 20 employees to 500 in months.

Entering the Political Circus

• (67:41) MyPillow nearly collapses again but is saved by targeted Fox News ads as the audience rallies behind him during the 2014 midterms.
• (69:01) Mike’s increasing right-wing activism begins: honored with a “Patriot Award” at a Homeland Security gala for supporting ICE agents; hobnobbing with Stephen Baldwin and other conservative figures.
• (72:32) Through Fox, meets Trump, who is apparently a MyPillow fan. Mike feels divinely chosen, has religious “visions,” and is feted at Republican events.

  Dave Anthony: “Now, Mike has a religious vision that he would one day meet with Trump, and that was reinforced when he found out that Trump knew about him.” (72:32) Trump: "Watch. It's going to be that pillow guy." (72:53)

The Election Fraud Crusade and Infinite Downfall

• (81:02–84:51) Lindell becomes synonymous with 2020 election fraud conspiracy theories, producing an amateurish documentary ("Absolute Proof") and hosting a "cyber symposium" debunked in real time.

  Dave Anthony: “He was so sure of himself that he announced a $5 million prove-me-wrong challenge… and was immediately proven wrong.” (85:13)

• (86:10) He bullies the state of Idaho into a recount, which only confirms the original tally, and gets billed for the effort.
• (86:43–89:24) Major retailers drop MyPillow, costing him hundreds of millions. Lindell launches (and quickly tanks) his alternative social platforms (Frank Social, VOCL), hires Rudy Giuliani for help, and burns through tens of millions more.

Legal Catastrophe and Public Ridicule

• (91:03) Lawsuits pile up: in June 2025, Lindell is found guilty of defaming a Dominion executive, must pay $2.3 million personally, and faces impending billion-dollar suits. He opens a crowdfunding campaign—raising a paltry sum versus what’s needed.
• (92:06–93:19) Since embarking on his crusade, Lindell and MyPillow have lost around $200 million—“a walking example of self-destruction."
• (93:19–96:52) Despite ruin, Lindell’s LindellTV is accepted as one of 60 new “news” organizations allowed into the Pentagon; meanwhile, right-wing ownership of voting infrastructure solidifies.
• (97:12–100:15) Dave and Gareth reflect—this is an archetypal story of modern America: outsider success from disaster, white male privilege, Christian redemption commodified, gullibility, and ultimate, dramatic self-destruction.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Pillow Research and Drug Use:

• Dave Anthony (04:52): “That's a lot of drug behavior there.”
• Gareth Reynolds (05:02): "Nope, just doing some pillow research."
• Dave Anthony (06:58): “They’re awful. It’s chunky. It’s chunky foam.”

On Lindell’s Myth-Making:

• Gareth Reynolds (19:13): “Oh my god. It's so clearly fake... the whole Christian circuit of redemption is always just this amazing amount of... this is like… this is crack.”
• Dave Anthony (26:58): “This is so fake that it’s just bewildering.”

On Addictive Personality:

• Gareth Reynolds (17:13): “He’s got such an addictive personality.”
• Dave Anthony (18:23): “Mike, we need you in the pillow game, not the sports game.”

On Lindell’s Divine Phone Calls:

• Gareth Reynolds (37:35): “No, he wasn't visited by Christ. That's not even what this said.”

On Business Catastrophe:

• Gareth Reynolds (65:23): "You got to make money."
• Dave Anthony (67:14): “Gareth… 8.19 million.”
• Gareth Reynolds (67:17): “Shut up. But that’s basically 8.2…”

On the Trump Turn:

• Dave Anthony (72:32): “Now, Mike has a religious vision that he would one day meet with Trump…”
• Trump (via Lindell): "Watch. It's going to be that pillow guy." (72:53)
• Gareth Reynolds (78:29): "What do you think of the Access Hollywood tape? I smoked crack."

On Election Fraud and Implosion:

• Dave Anthony (85:13): “He was so sure of himself that he announced a $5 million prove me wrong challenge… and he was immediately proved wrong.”
• Gareth Reynolds (87:47): “It really feels like this business is going to be crashing out.”
• Dave Anthony (89:24): “Guess how much he spent fighting election fraud? $40 million. Wow.”
• Gareth Reynolds (89:24): “What an idiot.”

On Final Ruin and Legacy:

• Dave Anthony (92:06): "All in all, since he began his crusade... MyPillow have lost around 200 million and counting. ...He’s in ruins living on $1,000 a week."
• Gareth Reynolds (100:11): "His comeback story is a story of a man who never came down."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:08 | Mike’s pillow obsession and drug-fueled invention | | 07:22 | Gambling trips to fund pillow production | | 10:01 | Crack replaces (but doesn’t supplant) pillows | | 13:07 | Cocaine paranoia, “Goodfellas” moment | | 18:23 | “Bookie intervention” for gambling losses | | 35:07 | “Walking coma” and popcorn “miracle cure” | | 37:05 | Series of prophetic “God told me to pray for you” phone calls | | 45:02 | Company collapse, “quitting” hard drugs overnight (dubious) | | 49:31 | Self-branding as a redeemed addict, MyPillow soars | | 56:38 | Don Imus & infomercial supercharge MyPillow | | 67:41 | Fox News boost and financial rescue in midterms | | 72:32 | Meeting Trump, the rise of religious vision and right-wing fame | | 81:02 | 2020 election fraud, endless lawsuits, cyber symposium farce | | 92:06 | Financial devastation, LindellTV in the Pentagon, right-wing media landscape | | 97:12 | Closing reflections on failure, American gullibility, no redemption arc |

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Comedic Tone & Running Themes

• The hosts maintain their trademark incredulity and relentless sarcasm, never letting up on the absurdity of Lindell’s self-mythology and the utter fictionality of his “redemption” narrative.
• Gareth continually mocks the hackneyed “divine intervention” stories (“God talking in numbers,” 67:23), while Dave tracks the cyclical addiction narrative and blurs between crack, pillows, Trump, and mass delusion.
• The cautionary tale of American self-destruction is forefront: white male second (and third, and fifth) chances, precious “anti-woke” identity, gullible conservative media, and the disastrous effects of believing in obvious charlatans.

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Summary Takeaway

"Mike Lindell is the living embodiment of American self-sabotage, credulity, and self-mythologizing. Every up is followed by exponential self-destruction; every claim of redemption is undercut by obvious fiction or immediate backsliding; every quest for meaning or success finds him at a casino, on a crack bender, or dialing further into conspiracy."
— The Dollop, Episode 707

A fitting subject for the Dollop: a story so wild, so infuriating, and so farcical that it could only be real. And could only, at every turn, be made even funnier by two comics who know exactly how to dig beneath the myth, through the crack dust, to the hollow core of America’s would-be pillow king.

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Sources Referenced:

• "What Are the Odds: From Crack Addict to CEO" by Mike Lindell
• The Guardian, Business Insider, ABC News

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[This summary omits all ad reads and extraneous podcast business. It captures only the discussion and story content up to the official close.]

Transcript

[Gareth Reynolds]

Foreign.

[Dave Anthony]

2025, the Dollop Podcast is going on tour in October. October 20th will be at the Vic Theater in Chicago. October 21st will be at the Kent Stage in Cleveland. October 22nd, Lincoln Theater in Columbus, Ohio. October 23rd, the Old National center in Indianapolis. The 26th, the Barrymore Theater in Madison. The 27th, Turner hall in Milwaukee. 28th, Pantages Theater, Minneapolis. October 29th, the Uptown Theater in Kansas City. And then finally, October 30th, we will be at Cervantes Cervantes Masterpiece Ballroom in Denver, Colorado. You go to get tickets@dollar podcast.com tour that is this. October 2025. You're listening to the Dollop on the All Things Comedy Network. This is an American history podcast where each week I read a story to a guy whose head is out of frame.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gareth Reynolds. You didn't say your name. Who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. My head's not out of frame.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not. Well, on my thing, it's. What? Oh, I see what's going on. Yeah, you know, you're right. My bad. A little bar came up. I apologize. Your head's not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's one thing I've learned about you and your dad. It's if a little bar comes up, look out. Oh, it's good to have a giggle with friends.

[Dave Anthony]

Should you of all people, be bringing up my father?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why not? Your dad was my dad. He's our dad. Your dad was our dad, huh?

[Dave Anthony]

You are no. The father slayer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

In what way?

[Dave Anthony]

You slay fathers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love your father.

[Dave Anthony]

Slayed other people's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you with me? And there. There's a sect of us. We don't believe your dad's gone. There's a lot of. There's a lot to this idea that your dad has. There are sightings of your dad in Roanoke, Virginia, and I have five guys working on it, the burger guys. And there's a lot of smoke around the idea that there. That your dad might not even be gone.

[Dave Anthony]

So you're very problematic.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I want to reunite you and your dad. You're probably you and your dad. It's. It goes the order of reunions that I'm pining for. Are you and your dad and then you and Sam Cedar. In that order. And part of me, Part of me wants the three of you to sit down.

[Dave Anthony]

There was a big discussion on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Read it. About.

[Dave Anthony]

Sam and I, our relationship, and everybody got it wrong about why I stopped talking to Sam. But it was very amusing because everybody always thinks they know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know. Do you think he killed your dad?

[Dave Anthony]

2004, year of our Lord J Town, who, by the way, has been riding the subway cars in New York and having a good time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you mean? So he's just a passenger on subway cars, Mike.

[Dave Anthony]

People know what that means if they actually read in the dangers to our young teens. Mike Lindell had woken up in the middle of the night and gone through a meth like, night of writing because of math. And by that I mean he was just writing over and over again, I'm going to invent a pillow, and it's going to change the world.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is upsetting.

[Dave Anthony]

And now he's going to do exactly that, and he's going to change the world. He became obsessed. His family almost immediately became sick of how much he talked about this pillow thing. So Mike starts going to Bed, Bath and Beyond, because you got to see the competition.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And he goes in there and he squeezes pillows for hours.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, that's. Sir. That's a. There's surely a security camera zoomed in on him at some point. Was like, this is. This is beyond shopping. This is the beyond problem. This guy is. He's making holes. He's making holes.

[Dave Anthony]

That's very. That's a lot of drug behavior there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So when the manager came over to ask if he needed any help, Mike replied, quote, nope, Just doing some pillow research.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nope. I'm just trying to fondle as many pillows as I can.

[Dave Anthony]

And the manager pointed a mic to some of their most popular pillows. And Mike scoffed, quote, those pillows are awful. I'm gonna come back someday with the best pillow you've ever seen. And you're gonna sell them in your store one day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I mean, I don't own this place. I'll probably be gone like four months, so.

[Dave Anthony]

And the manager smiled and nodded at Mike.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, get out.

[Dave Anthony]

Sure. Huh.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Get out. I don't really care, sir.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike made his son hand tear pieces.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I thought that was his name.

[Dave Anthony]

No, but that would be a good name for a kid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hand tear.

[Dave Anthony]

He made his son hand tear pieces of foam into a hundred different types of shapes in dozens of combinations until his hand ached. And it took. It took months to finally find the right foam filling for the pillow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

These are different pillows. He's having him do this, too.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's got different shapes of foam. So he's tearing little pieces of. He's tearing the foam into little pieces. Then to figure out which pieces would be perfect to put in a pillowcase and make a pillow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I guess I've never shredded a pillow on uppers, so.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I've. I. I've always been a guy who. Down pillow, fake down pillow, or the. The. You know, the. Just the little fiber, like, foamy thing. I don't need little chunks. I'm not a chunk.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that what he's going for? Chunks?

[Dave Anthony]

The pillows are chunky. You've never felt on my pillow. Pillow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I can't say that I have.

[Dave Anthony]

They're awful. It's chunky. It's chunky foam.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I would not know that.

[Dave Anthony]

They're little. They're little. Little bits of foam.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who knew? Now, remind me, is he on drugs now or is he off drugs?

[Dave Anthony]

He's still on drugs. Why would he be off drugs?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know. I just.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, you're right. Thank you. You're right.

[Dave Anthony]

The. So he. His son is doing that, and then the next step is for Karen and Mike to go down to Biloxi, Mississippi, to win enough money to make 250 pillows. This gamble.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, this whole. This is.

[Dave Anthony]

Apple started this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This all. Gamble. Gamble your way to your dreams is. I mean, it is a fluky now, but he's counting cards. We got to remember, he's a card counter.

[Dave Anthony]

Thankfully, his luck turns around and he wins $14,000. And he. While he's doing it, he gets noticed by a group of card counters who ask him to join and be part of his team. So it's all good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like the Prestige, but with pillows and meth.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Mike makes the pillows. So he's got 250 pillows, and he enters the Eden Prairie Mall show.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just a world. A world we never knew existed.

[Dave Anthony]

It's one of the bigs. It was a disaster. Only a few people bought pillows, and one of them demanded Mike's phone number in case he didn't like the pillow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think that guy's the biggest loser of the story. Well.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you're wrong, because that man ended up loving the pillow. Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And he ran the Minneapolis Home and Garden show, so now he's got an in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And Mike changed his pitch to be a demo of how the pillow holds its shape while you use it and reconfigures when it's done. So. So it's made of all these different little pieces of foam in there, and you put your head on it and you squeeze it or whatever you do with it, and it holds its shape, and then when you're done with it, it doesn't have that little concave part in the middle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't need to fluff.

[Dave Anthony]

You get off it. It pops right up. It's. It's the beautiful pillow again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't have to fluff it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Could you back away from your camera a little because you're pretty.

[Dave Anthony]

This is how pillowing should be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You get back.

[Dave Anthony]

This is what you get back. Should be. This is why we pillow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You get back right now.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what we've always wanted.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You get back from your camera right now. That's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

People loved it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Who? What you just did.

[Dave Anthony]

Every. All of it. What I did? What he did. Everybody loves the pillow, so he practically sells out $10,000 worth of product.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, boy. That's a lot of meth.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote. When I was demonstrating my pillow, the hours flew by.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's correct.

[Dave Anthony]

I couldn't wait for the next day to start. I'd found a new drug.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. He replaced crack with pillows.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. What would you. Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then he replaced pillows with Trump.

[Dave Anthony]

Basically. But don't give it away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. People don't know where this one goes, but that.

[Dave Anthony]

But he didn't give up on his old drug. He just found a new one. He's still totally coke, like, of course. And. And also crack. He's doing crack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's doing both. I see. I don't know enough about it to know that those two. I feel like you pick a lane.

[Dave Anthony]

You can do both.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, of course you can, but I feel like you've got whichever one you like better who's got your affinity. You stick with that one.

[Dave Anthony]

Cool guys do both.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is a cool point. And. And the super cool. Add a pillow in.

[Dave Anthony]

Mm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The one thing you don't need while you're cracked out of your teeth is something to fall asleep on.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's interesting. It's an interesting. It's an interesting invention for a crackhead to make a thing for sleep because he'd probably sleep on a wood table.

[Dave Anthony]

Should we tell people the reason that the background looks like this, if you're watching, is because we're in the same hotel room in different rooms.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're in the same hotel that we got to. And we got here and they said the elevator was broken, and they put.

[Dave Anthony]

Us on the third floor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not great. So what did I do? I left a bunch of wilted spinach in the lobby.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, you did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then when I went down there, they were like, is this yours? And I was like, no.

[Dave Anthony]

Did they?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I was like, no, I don't. What do you mean? Why would I Leave that. I don't know what you're talking about.

[Dave Anthony]

So one day, Mike is driving through Wisconsin with a truck bed full of pillows stacked three feet higher than the cab and tied down with bungee cords.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've done this. Not with pillows.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I think we all have. I've done it with squirrels. In the truck was a, quote, large personal supply of cocaine. Because you're going to a pillow show. You gotta. How. How are you gonna get through it?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gotta get your sales powder.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So he notices that a helicopter has been tailing him for.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are we really about to. Goodfellas Mypillow.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, paranoia kicks in. That's a. That's a. That's a real deal when you see a helicopter following you. And someone thought Mike was smuggling something over the Canadian border and called in. And the feds did a comprehensive search of the truck, but all they found were pillows. Because as soon as Mike realized there was a helicopter following him, he snorted all of the cocaine. Quote, I've seen good fellas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, to be fair, maybe he's seen good fellas, but he's not. He doesn't remember it super well because he flushed it down the toilet. So. That's right.

[Dave Anthony]

So the problem with this story, he.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Turned his nose into the toilet.

[Dave Anthony]

If you have a weekend full of cocaine and you snort it, they're going to be able to tell, and you're not going to get away with that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know. I kind of feel like Mike is so special and chosen that he could do it.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you might be right about that. God did clearly choose him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God gave him big nostrils. So.

[Dave Anthony]

He gets my pillow into the Minnesota State Fair, and that's hundreds of thousands of people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're talking about big state fair.

[Dave Anthony]

And there were. There are huge lines just to look at one of those sweet, sweet pillows that he's made.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, now we're really. Now that's making Minnesota seem sad.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Well, yeah. And the family makes tens of thousands of dollars a day during the fair. And my pillow sales tick up and up and ups, but at the same time, so does Mike's gambling. And then he has a really bad football weekend, and he owes his bookie $20,000. And he. He had heard of a mob hotline, and you may have heard of this. It's a mob. It's a mob hotline where you pay five grand and. And then they'll tell you which games are fixed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've never heard of this.

[Dave Anthony]

The mob hotline. Yeah. This is really. Everybody knows about this. It's a mob hotline. And so Mike does that and he finds out that there's a college quarterback who's throwing a game.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, all college quarterbacks are throwing a game.

[Dave Anthony]

And he.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, of course they're throwing. They're the quarterback.

[Dave Anthony]

He's. Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All quarterbacks are throwing the game. He's throwing the game.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike bets $25,000, which he doesn't have. He doesn't, you know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So he goes on a hunting trip that weekend and he's. He's hunting and calling into a betting line for the score. And it's. It's going well. The team he bet against is. Is down by 28 points. So it's, you know, it's great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

But then, then it's 2014 and then it's 28, 21. So Mike does something almost unprecedented with the mob. He called the manager of the mob hotline. Is there anything you want to flag?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that he's carrying the mo. I'd like to see the manager of the mob. And he yells, I don't think that's allowed.

[Dave Anthony]

And he yells, quote, what the hell is going on? The Mafia guy apologizes. Hey, I'm so. Hey, I'm so sorry. What do you want me to do? You know, the guy we, you know. Okay, so this is what happened. The Mafia man apologizes and said the starting. The bribed qb, the starting QB broke his arm and the new QB is not in on the deal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Well, sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't expect. When you call. I mean, you call hotline, you expect.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't expect them to like, be on their heels.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whoa, whoa. Sorry. We're sorry. We're sorry. Look, we got a bunch of stuff we're fixing. We're sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

I apologize. I apologize. Pillow man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That was terrible.

[Dave Anthony]

So sorry. How about this? How about I break my legs?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're going to shoot the new qb.

[Dave Anthony]

So the other team wins, Mike loses. Mike lost a game. That was fixed. He's maybe the unluckiest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know about that, Gareth.

[Dave Anthony]

He's now down $50,000.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what's weird? It seemed like he was starting to find himself with the pillows, but he also just is.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I know, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's a real. He's. He's got such an addictive personality.

[Dave Anthony]

He can't stop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

So his bookie lets him pay it off on a payment program if Mike promises to never bet on sports again. So that's nice. That makes sense to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. I don't really.

[Dave Anthony]

Just a classic Bookie thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Yeah, sure.

[Dave Anthony]

He was so bad at betting that the bookie gave him an intervention. That's what we're saying. The bookie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What is. I don't think it's a bookie.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, this is what it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think so. Any bookie, that is just like. Look, we're sorry. We up here. Let me help you out. Okay. No interest rate. We'll give you a payment plan. It'll work great. Mike, we're all very worried about you, me, Tony the Laces, Vicky the Stabs. I just wish you'd get your shit together, Mike. You got such potential. And your pillows are so nice. I love the idea that it's a chows and little pieces.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike, we need you in the pillow game, not the sports game.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Vito has something he'd like to read. Mike, look, you've been an unbelievable gambler. Take this moment and write it out. Unfortunately, Mike, if you keep gambling, I will not be able to be your bookie any longer. I'm creating my own bottom.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike claims that after the bookie mob intervention, he hasn't bet on a game since. I just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's so hard. It would be great to put him under truth serum.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God. It's so clearly fake that I. But like, of course, like, the whole. The whole. The whole Christian, like, sort of circuit of redemption is. Is always just this amazing amount of. But this is like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is crack.

[Dave Anthony]

It's really crazy. So. So Mike and Karen have an annual Mexico trip that they do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't believe her name is actually Karen. It's so good, fellas.

[Dave Anthony]

Karen. So he doesn't cancel that because of what's going on. He's like, we need quiet time. We need time together. And quote, a Mexican drug dealer promised him an unlimited supply of cocaine because that happens if you're a pillow guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So they went another with another couple for about a week, and he just thought about the cocaine and couldn't wait to meet up with his, quote, coke promising dealer. A Mexican we called the Greek.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Great. True story. A year earlier, he, quote, blundered into a situation that pitted rival dealers against each other. I barely escaped my life. But the incident turned out well for the Greek. Now, in return, he handed over a few baggies of coke. There you go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So weird.

[Dave Anthony]

There you go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The. The goodwill that this community has is shocking. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, it's weird how many, like, criminal guys are so nice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I keep. I bring up Forrest Gump too much, but this is like the gumpy retelling of being a coke crack addict.

[Dave Anthony]

It really is. It really is. Because listen to this. Blundered into a situation that pitted rival dealers against each other. I barely escaped with my life. But it turned out well for the Greek. So he handed over a few baggage. Baggage?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it's just not how it works.

[Dave Anthony]

No. And also, why would he give you coke? Like you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's that mean? Like, why would he, like the Greek would be like, yeah, fuck you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. But this wasn't the unlimited supply he was promised, but you know, got the party started, so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's the one thing about cocaine. It's easy to ration.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. So these four middle aged Minnesotans are just doing lines and drinking Coronas for a few days. But the supply is getting low. And Mike thinks he has one baggie left, but he cannot find the bag. And he's looking everywhere. No coke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have you ever gone through that? Yeah, I've done that. Where I've been, like, there's a bag but there is coke somewhere. And you've done it.

[Dave Anthony]

He tears the whole room apart. His wife and friends want a part of this and they go to the other room to drink and have fun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If I was. Sorry, but if, if this was my origin story, this is where I would tear the pillow apart. And I was looking for coke. So I tore the pillow apart into a thousand different pieces. And when I put it back in there and I laid on it and I went, that's the comfiest pillow I've ever slept on.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that would be really good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just stabbing it with a knife. And then he's like, oh my. That reef formed as soon as I got up.

[Dave Anthony]

Bellow should be in little parts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait a minute.

[Dave Anthony]

So he goes out looking for Coke. It's 1am and he's power walking in the resort zone and he heads into the shadier area and he goes into this like little shack in a convenience store of a convenience store. And there's a man standing outside and he asks Mike how he's doing. And Mike says, do you have any cocaine? Well, he does. He does have cocaine, it turns out. So Mike sat and had a beer with the man. And then there's two other guys there also. He gave him $100. And now the third man has a gun. And then the second guy has something covered in a towel, like a long thing covered in a towel. And the first man keeps, the first man keeps asking questions, quote, why didn't you buy from a Taxi. What hotel are you staying at? Mike lies and said, it's not. Not the one he's at. Where's your wristband? We didn't get an all inclusive package for the resort. And the man finally dropped the act and said, you don't like the police, do you? And Mike jammed his nose into the dealer's face and pointed at white flecks of coke in his mustache. Do I look like a cop to you? Getting intense. This is gonna be a good scene in the movie. The pillow movie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It. It really is. It's so weird to know this guy from the pillow commercials only. Right, right, yeah, to, to, to this, this intensity of the pillow guy. Yeah, because he. On the pillow, he say he's wearing the biggest cross ever. And he's like, I did everything I could to make sure that my pillows were perfect for you. And I was like, ah, sweet pillow man.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the man said something that made Mike very concerned. Quote, you look very familiar. Have you ever been here before? You look like a gringo from last year. He was with some enemies of ours. So he's talking about the. The deal that Mike stumbled into.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, it's a little tense. Gareth the man. So the man had clearly been on the losing side of. Of the clash with the rival drug gangs, which Mike never actually explains in the book. He just kind of says, I stumble. He never goes into any detail about that. What is essentially a crazy event that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, you would definitely put in a book.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I think so. So Mike is keeping up this, like, aggrieved guy bit. And Mike, as if he's pissed, said, why don't you just give me the cocaine? My wife is really going to be upset that I'm not back yet. So they wait another 10 minutes. And Mike asked if the coke is coming from a specific town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ooh.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, that was a huge mistake. The name of the town wasn't something I should have known if I'd never been there. So the men leaped to their feet, surrounding me in one motion. The second man unsheathed the mysterious object and pressed it against my throat. It was a machete. Oh, no. Are you scared?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike summons courage or the cocaine. The what? Yes, a four day coke binge. Quote, what's the matter with you? I'm not buying a sword. I'm here to buy cocaine. And you. And you keep saying it's coming, but it's still not here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He wrote this in a book, right? Surely you could do better than that in a book.

[Dave Anthony]

It's. It's really true. Like, it feels like the book is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, really made up and invented in many parts. Like, why would this. Why would he not have a better line? So I pretended that I was there to buy the machete, and then they all busted a gut and we had waffles. Well.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the Mexican dude responds, and this is, like, straight out of an episode. He's pounded down. Quote, you seem a little loco, senor. He doesn't want to sell you his machete. He wants to cut off your head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. This is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

This is so fake that it's just bewildering.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

And Mike says, cut off my head. My wife would have been really upset if you did that. Come on, guys. You know, I'm here to buy cocaine. I'm out of coke, and I came all the way out here to buy from you guys, and this is how you treat me? And that. That calms everything down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

This is all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They kill him.

[Dave Anthony]

There's video.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They want money. There's video.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They would have killed them. Like, so that calms everyone down. And one asks Mike for a smoke, and as he pulls it out, the missing bag of coke starts to come out with it. It was in his pocket, Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not crazy. So that's the most realistic part.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That would make him bad. What? That would not make him seem like a cop. What a idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth, cops have cocaine in bags in their pockets with the cigarettes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait a minute. He does have coke. He is a cop, right? Wait, what do we. I don't know.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, I felt a sudden sadness. This is where my addictions and bad decisions had led.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ, shut the up. This guy sucks.

[Dave Anthony]

It's just so bad. He's so bad at this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who makes being a cokehead this boring? God, he's such a fucking bo. Like, he's not. He's not a loser because of his addictions. He's a loser because he's, like, midway through a coke bender, he just found more coke, which is striking oil. He's probably about to get other coke, and he's like, wait, this is where. That's tomorrow thinking.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that's tomorrow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, you're not thinking that when you're watching cocaine.

[Dave Anthony]

No, no, no. I have way better coke stories than this. It was ridiculous. I thought about it. All my decades of scheming and groveling to get that white powder, only to lose everything to it in the end. All that time thinking I was so smart, I would beat the odds. But now the game was over the house had won. I was gonna die.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You just got more coke, idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

I was gonna die right here on this dark, deserted street. A small item in the news. American tourist goes missing in Mexico. It's intense, but I don't think.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think we'd even hear about him, really.

[Dave Anthony]

You can really feel it if you're. If you're, say, like a. A person out in rural Wisconsin and you read this and you'. Cocaine or really any drug. And you've just kind of lived a very, very wholesome life. This sounds crazy, impossible. But somehow Mike uses an amazing slight of hand to pocket the coke before he handed over the smoke. Like he's a magician. Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, sure.

[Dave Anthony]

So they don't see the extra baggie. Mike is shook. Death. Once again, he's escaped death.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Me.

[Dave Anthony]

And then the koki ordered arrives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He doesn't do it bad, okay?

[Dave Anthony]

He. He could barely get back to the hotel without snorting a big old, you know, honker.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay, good.

[Dave Anthony]

So when he gets back to the States, he is in Milwaukee for a. A show. And he. He's right back guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's probably a chain call.

[Dave Anthony]

I made a series of addict moves that ended with me surrendering my wedding ring to one thug. And when some guy pulled a pistol from a Fritos bag and pointed at my head. My truck to another. My truck to another. Does that mean by 5am I was being held captive in a hotel room? It's all a blur now, but somehow I got everything back. And somewhere in there I got my crack. It was always about the crack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a great writer. What a great writer. To just leave that as a hold memory. I don't remember anything, but I got it all back. Mike Lindell.

[Dave Anthony]

But now Gareth Crack is breaking apart the marriage. Karen is also doing crack, but they're on the rocks. And. Oh, and they accuse each other of hiding crack and holding out on each other.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And as their kids are growing up, it's harder to hide the habit. The coke habit. Like Mike would dip out during baseball games for a half hour to do lines off. Gross. Outdoor metal toilets, that kind of stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of all the toilets to bang, gak off.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, right. Yeah, you're definitely snorting a lot of urine. Just dried old urine. Karen started spending a lot of time with her friend Steve. And it got to the point where on Karen's 50th birthday, Steve hosted the after party. And near the end of night, when Mike said it was time to go, Karen just told him she was gonna stay with Steve, that night.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, you should know something's going on where a man is hosting the after party. Wait, what? And then after the other birthday, we're doing Karen After Dark, hosted by Steve. All right, Karen, let's go. No, I'm gonna stay with Steve. Well, it's pretty. It feels like an affair.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not a fair. He's just me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike goes home that night and screams at his kids until they left. And then he locked himself in the office and smoked a bunch of crack. I gotta tell you, in that situation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love this era of his life because it pretty much always ends with he smoked crack. Everything, like, every chapter is just like. So I didn't know what to do, so I just smoked a bunch of crack.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So Karen comes home the next day and she finds out what happened.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And she packs a bag, smoked a bunch of cracks.

[Dave Anthony]

She is somehow mad at him. Yelling at the kid. Yeah. And chasing the kids out, even though she was Steve. Yeah, whatever. She packs back, she moves into Steve's just about the exact same time the power company cuts off the electricity. Now, remember.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Remember the pillow?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They've sold hundreds of thousands of pillows. Like, they just. He's. Yeah. So Mike goes to Steve three times. Twice he punched through a window, and once he punched Steve.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Three weeks later, Karen divorces him. Okay. Soon after, Mike somehow buys a new house. Now, this is subprime mortgage boom time. So, okay, very possible. And he moves in with a woman named Rachel. Okay. And he leaves his kids at the old house because he didn't want, you know, he. Yeah, but he must have gotten the power turned back on. But he didn't want them to see that he was now a, quote, full blown crackhead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I got. I got news for Mike Lindell.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They probably know you're a crackhead.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they probably.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's been some clues. All the crack. All the yelling about crack, all the fighting about crack. All the crack.

[Dave Anthony]

Crack. The crack, crack, crack. The smell of the crack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Crack. The crack stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Crack laying around, the cocaine around your nose. There's a lot of crack. Yeah. So he and Rachel have some big crack fueled fights, and then they. She moves out. Now Mike's sad. He stops working, eating. He even stops doing crack. He's just sad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm so sad, I can't even smoke crack. Crack anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, here's the craziest part of the whole story. He says a doctor did a house call.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? What? What do you mean? For what?

[Dave Anthony]

Because he's in such bad Shape.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The doctor was like, you should probably do a little more crack.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I would smoke more crack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Get going.

[Dave Anthony]

The doctor said he was in a, quote, walking coma where your brain has had so much trauma that it shuts down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Say that's the. That's the doctor who shows up to the house. You're in a coma. You're waking, coma.

[Dave Anthony]

Sometimes he would go to the bathroom and sometimes he took slurps of water from the sink. But that was it. Nothing would snap him out of it. Until a friend, a friend dying of stomach cancer leaves his, like, health care situation that he's in and brings Mike a tub of chocolate covered popcorn.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This story has so many moments of like, and then it happened. And then he just goes back to smoking crack.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he goes back to smoking crack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but this one, the guy brings up chocolate covered popcorn and that snapped.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike out of it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

Hello?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, no, I'm just, like, pissed.

[Dave Anthony]

The popcorn snack snapped him out of his walking coma.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll repeat. What.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's that this is now an established medical thing. They've done a lot of research.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm gonna give you a little chocolate covered popcorn that'll get you right out of this. It was touch and go until we gave him chocolate covered popcorn.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth. This business phone rings.

[Gareth Reynolds]

His business phone.

[Dave Anthony]

This is right after he snaps out of it, right after the chocolate popcorn. And a woman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm the president of betting, says, quote.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't want to buy a pillow right now, but I was praying and God let me know that what you're doing is so important, you can't give up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who is this? Hello? Who is this?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a woman. It's. It's a. I'm a woman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who's this?

[Dave Anthony]

I'm a praying woman. I'm praying. A prayer. A prayer. A woman who prays. She keeps talking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good.

[Dave Anthony]

And then she started praying for him while Mike did lines of coke on mute.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You definitely got a mute.

[Dave Anthony]

An hour and a half later, the phone rings again. Quote, God's called me to pray for you. What you're doing is very important and you can't give up. This is intense. This is intense. Yeah, no, this is some real fucking shit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know about that part, but it's definitely intense.

[Dave Anthony]

3Am the phone rings again. This time it's a guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Quote, were you talking to my wife earlier? You piece of.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me tell you something, pal. I don't believe in God, but I kept having a dream that I am supposed to call you and tell you that what you're doing is important to God. I hope these dreams stop now. You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I.

[Dave Anthony]

This is intense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a nightmare.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like the three. This is like the three girls who go to visit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I, I've. I. No, it isn't.

[Dave Anthony]

It's exactly like that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It isn't. Because it's three people calling on the same timeline.

[Dave Anthony]

It might be a little more intense, actually.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't agree. I, I really. I've not liked Mike Mandel, like, Mike Lindell for this whole. I hate him now. Now I hate him. I hate him because of his.

[Dave Anthony]

Because. Because he was visited by Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, he wasn't. That's not even what this said.

[Dave Anthony]

The phone rings again at 8am and Mike answers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, let me guess, you don't want to order a pillow, you want to pray. And the woman on the phone said, how did you know? How did he know?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because he made it up, Gareth.

[Dave Anthony]

Because the message of God was getting into him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

At this point, he made it all up.

[Dave Anthony]

At 11am the phone he only used for Internet access, which is attached to an answering machine at this point, rings and there was a robotic woman's voice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello. I love your pillows. I am here on behalf of God.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike, this is a message from God. Everything you've experienced in your life will give you strength to get through the next month.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy, this guy is really intense.

[Dave Anthony]

This is quite a night.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not. It's not. It's one thing to like, have this happen, quote, unquote, to you. It's another thing to be like, this is my book.

[Dave Anthony]

This is intense. Right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, he really believes him. He fancies himself important.

[Dave Anthony]

Later that day, Mike got into a fight with his girlfriend, Rachel, and she called the cops and they came to arrest him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Be great if one of those phone calls, he's like, let me guess, you'd like to talk about my pillows and God, Like, I know. This is Frank Sherber. We're for the police department. We're about to break your door down unless you actually give yourself up. Oh, okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, Mike stole her car and fled to Minneapolis.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fucking hilarious that on the day when you get four phone calls about how God sent people to call you because of your pillow, you're also doing grand theft auto.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he had a reason. He just didn't steal the car. He had a purpose.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's on a mission.

[Dave Anthony]

He was going to find his crack dealer. Quote, he might scare you if you ran. He might scare you if you ran into him alone on a dark street. But he really was the nicest guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So all these people are calling, telling him that he's the chosen pillow daddy. And that same day he go. He steals a car to go get crack.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, no, he's. He wants to meet up with this crack dealer. He's a nice guy. To get crack and to talk about stuff, probably.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Emotional. Emotional connection.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I walk you through some fall pillow options?

[Dave Anthony]

So Gareth, Mike does crack without sleeping for two weeks straight.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good, good.

[Dave Anthony]

And on the 14th day, two higher, high, high up level dealers show up, the apostles. And one said, quote, mike, you need to go to bed when cutting you off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is just not how drug dealing works.

[Dave Anthony]

Dealers do. This is exactly what they do. This is exactly what they do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The mom doesn't hold an intervention for you, and drug dealers don't suggest and insist you quit drugs.

[Dave Anthony]

This is, this is what life is like out there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just terrible. It's just crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

He said he told Mike he would wait Mike out. He did let Mike finish his last little bit of coke and then he sat with him. He's gonna, you know, make him get sober. But then the dealer fell asleep and Mike snuck out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He probably had one of those lovely pillows. Why wouldn't he do that in this bullshit? Why wouldn't he bring a pillow with him and be like, I wish I got one crack at punching this book up? I'd be like, I took my pillow down there and it was like, as he was like trying to wait it out. He fell asleep on the pillow meant on like the single layer dowel comforting pillow.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. Yeah, you're right. So Mike's out on the street looking to buy. He's begging, he's pleading, he's offering to pay double.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is it possible for me to suck your dick for a crack? Crack? Didn't I pie a pillow off of you? Yeah, probably.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth Nolan will sell to him. Word is out. Yeah, no fly list. He's not allowed to buy how it works. This is what happens. This is how it went. When the, when the crack dealers decide they're going to help someone, they all get together.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tell you what, they're quite a community.

[Dave Anthony]

So he said his come down was the worst of his life. He was on sleeping on the floor for two days.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And then after two days, a pillow empire, essentially.

[Dave Anthony]

And he's just rugs, he bolts up. And he is like, oh, my God, I'm supposed to turn in a signed contract to a wholesaler for my pillow or it's going to ruin the company if I don't. And I have to do it today. So he rushes to the his facility office, whatever it is, and unfortunately there's a cop there waiting for him. And Mike's like, I just have to hand deliver this contract and if I don't quote, it's going to change the course of history. My pillow is a platform for something so important in the future, something to do with God. So the cop lets him because you can't get in the way of that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It sounds like they were just doing a Windy City heat on him. Like the way this plays out, like for him to go up to a cop, be like, you don't understand. I have to do this to save the future of betting. And the cops like, all right.

[Dave Anthony]

So after this, Mike goes into a year long spiral. He loses his girlfriend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, no, Dave. He's only been on a spiral.

[Dave Anthony]

It just started. His friends, his. It's just starting. His brother, his son moves out. Pretty much everything and everyone story keeps.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Having these moments where he's like, but then Mike went and made the delivery of the contract. And then Mike went to rock bottom. But what like, then Mike got chocolate covered popcorn and then Mike smoked a bunch of crack. But then the mob told Mike they weren't going to let him do any more gambling. Mike did more gambling and started to smoke a lot of crap. And then he punched his girlfriend.

[Dave Anthony]

Pretty much everyone and everything that he's ever loved just stopped putting up with all his crackhead shit. And eventually in the beginning of 2009, in 2009, he lost the money to my pillow. 2009, so he loses the money to keep mypillow going and everything just kind of grounds to a halt. So that to him is like his platform for God via pillows.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he really abused it.

[Dave Anthony]

So that's what drives him to, to quit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Finally quit drugs finally.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah, he just, he just quit. He. No struggle, no traumatic episode. He just woke up in the morning and didn't want to do booze or crack and that was it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He's not even. He's such a bad writer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He didn't even come up with and just make that the one.

[Dave Anthony]

Because he made so many of them and they were all so insane that now he needs a big one. And he's like, I got it. Really?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who, who published his book?

[Dave Anthony]

I, I bet it's self published.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It has to be self published.

[Dave Anthony]

Look it up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's it called?

[Dave Anthony]

I can't remember.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, here, I got it. Hold on. You can keep reading.

[Dave Anthony]

So he moves into his sister's place. And he starts going to church.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Lindell Publishing.

[Dave Anthony]

There you go. Lindell publisher.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he's the narrator for the audiobook. Oh, that has to be incredible. That has to be. And there I was, eating ass. Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

So he. He loves church. He's loving it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good. Good for him.

[Dave Anthony]

And then his personal life starts to take off. But the business. But the business is not going well. There's two investors, and they're trying to take the company away from Mark because he's. He's been a crack addict.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And they wanted a company not run by a crack addict.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

And Mike miraculously gets $30,000 to fight back. How? I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. There you go. Okay. Great. Good. Thanks, buddy.

[Dave Anthony]

Some things aren't important. So the two parties were going to the same shows and competing with the same pillows. And the investors were going after him. Low blows. Once as Mike walked by, one guy worked the mic like a carnival barker. Quote, hey, everyone, there's Mike Lindell on my pillow. We've sold thousands and thousands of pillows. But Mike ruined his business because he's a meth addict. And Mike yelled, quote, it was crack. Get it right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. Good comeback, Mike. Way to go. Smooth. It was actually a harsher drug.

[Dave Anthony]

They filed a false report. Police report. They claimed Mike had come to their booth to harass and intimidate them. But lucky Mike, Mike had. Luckily, Mike had a credit card timestamp at the exact time that they said he was at their table. That saying he was at his table. So they lied. They told everyone Mike was a filthy addict. Couldn't be trusted. That's true.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

They're. They're the good guys in this story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I mean, they're certainly not the best. Mike, you certainly. It's not. They're not speaking out of class.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're allowed to say that.

[Dave Anthony]

Instead of fighting back, Mike leaned in and made his crack addiction part of the My Pillow brand.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is a crazy thing to hear.

[Dave Anthony]

In a Christian redemption sort of way. And people ate it up. And he buried those two investors. Well, so they were like. They were, like, outing him for being a crack addict, which is totally fine. I mean, that's what he was. And then he's like, I'll just. I'll just run with that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, you're right. I am a crack addict. Everyone's like, this is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

That's amazing.

[Dave Anthony]

That was Don Imus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. Oh, Christ. Some old weird racist. Oh, let me tell you, this is actually one of those. That's one of those unbelievable pills I put my head on. These are now granted, I've said the N word on air a couple times, but those pillows, remarkable. Okay, you're gonna fall asleep on the pillow. I gotta tell you, I love this guy's story. This guy, he's a meth head. Okay? So here's a big meth guy, he's smoking crack, and he somehow came up with one of the greatest things that you can ever sleep on. Okay?

[Dave Anthony]

And then the other thing that really helped, the big, big, big event, he did an infomercial. Mypillow was one of the most successful infomercials in history.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And so scales sales just skyrocket and the company goes from 20 employees to 500 in under a few months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I hate this because it's like so simple. He got an infomercial.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now he's like, I should be. Let me tell you who should be president. I talk to God.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike was literally hiring guys off bar stools. He gave ex con prisoners low lives and dead beats. A second chance. He hired a hot. He was blackjack to be his executive assistant.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's def. What? Both. This is all because he's still doing all of it. Yeah, he's surrounding himself, but yeah, he's surrounding himself with people who can just get him crack easy and like will let him gamble.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So he hires this hot black jack dealer to be his executive assistant and then marries her within a month. Okay, I will try to find the email, but I'm pretty sure someone sent me an email this week that said that someone in their family worked at one of his companies and it was a fucking nightmare because of all the people that worked there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I Can only imagine. Well, he actually has no real CEO experience. Not that you need to have that. But the only thing he's been running is from the cops.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. His sister Cindy, meets a woman at a Christian conference.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm looking at his wife.

[Dave Anthony]

She just goes up to Cindy and said, quote, hi, I'm Kendra. I don't know why, but God wants us to keep in touch. Oh, my God. And that happens. That's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, look, look, look.

[Dave Anthony]

That's normal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Crazy people hear God in that way. You're allowed to believe. You're allowed to pray. You're allowed to have all that. It's great. Good for you. Enjoy it. But you're not allowed to be like. So God said, I have to come over here and say hi. That's where it's like, what. What are you doing? You're on crack.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you're not Cindy, buddy. Because Cindy immediately knew. This is the lady for Mike now. Remember, Mike just married the blackjack dealer. Well, here's the funny thing about that, Gareth. It only lasted 20 days.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, who was this that he was married to?

[Dave Anthony]

A blackjack dealer?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What was her name?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, we don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

She said she wasn't in love with him. Quote. Also, you're boring.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If I'll. Okay, so just to push back. If there's one thing Mike Lindell is not, it's boring.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know. I think he's all of the above.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's crazy. Yeah, he's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Not in a boring way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I don't.

[Dave Anthony]

I think he's boring. I think that he is a combination of boring and crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, so he needs money. My pillow is bringing in millions. But Mike is ignoring the business in favor of his. His hot. His hot wife, who. He didn't have that for that long. So sales were lagging as cost skyrocketed. He couldn't cover payroll. So what are you gonna do? He goes to a blackjack table to count cards. I mean, this is what you do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

But he got the worst streak of luck he's ever had. If there were 20 small cards and one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All this guy's life is a streak of luck. This is the story of a white man in America. I mean, this is a guy who keeps failing and keeps getting every opportunity. Ends up running a pillow. He's a pillow magnate, and he still doesn't know what the fuck to do. So he goes to a blackjack table and he doesn't hit. And he's like, gosh, what am I going to catch A break.

[Dave Anthony]

So he get the face. If he had 20 small cards in one face card, he'd get the face card every time. It was just. He was counting cards. But it was failing. And even with thousands still to gamble, he went to a different casino in Iowa. And while driving, he hears a booming voice, quote, go to church tomorrow. You are done with gambling. Four days ago, you played your last card.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smoke it. The pipe.

[Dave Anthony]

It's. That's scary, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it's super scary.

[Dave Anthony]

The next day in the sermon, he heard it again. Quote, you are done with gambling. Don't worry about counting cards to cover your company's expenses. A little while later, heard it again, Quote, you will meet Kendra. She is the one. Through her, you will become closer to me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, look, if Mike Lindell.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If Mike Lindell had brought us world peace by now, he did this story. Amazing. Like, him, like God being like, this is your wife. Might make sense.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he's just a crackpot.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he heard that and he started crying. He started weeping. And the parishioners saw him and they started repeating, hallelujah. And then they all placed their hands on him. And when he finally left, he said he felt genuine Christian love. It's a great story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not really a story.

[Dave Anthony]

Then he. Then I don't know what he's doing in Laguna beach at this point, but then he's smoking crack and counting cards probably. He flies Kendra and his sister Cindy out and they hit it off, but they took it slow, which was befitting of a woman of the Lord. And she was one of the Lord only. What? Only in the butt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Only. Only fingers in the guard hole.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me. Let me explain to you how much of a woman of God she was. She was in the airport and she pointed to a stranger and said, I've got to pray with him. And then she told the man, quote, the Lord's telling me I need to pray for you. And the man burst into tears. So think about that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He probably worked for Boeing.

[Dave Anthony]

She knew my pillow was in a deep hole. They owed 6 million in about six months. And she said Mike had to fire two of his closest high level executives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shocking.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What shocking how terribly he runs a business.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's crazy. It's just amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He owes $6 million.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And that's why you don't hire 5 million 500 employees right away.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't hire 5, 500 crack addicts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No. No.

[Dave Anthony]

So Kendra's like, okay, you gotta fire two of your closest high level executives. And Mike's like, okay. And after a few days of confrontation, they resigned. And Mike dives back into taking care of the MyPillow business. Looks into every aspect he's been ignoring. And by. By July. In July. Sorry. He said, by the end of the year, we are going to have $8.2 million in the bank. Okay, now, where do you start that. That's like a. Where are you going to start? Well, Gareth, you start laying off hundreds of people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You got to make money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, absolutely. That's how you do this called doing.

[Dave Anthony]

So they slash and burn and they get. They get the debt down to about 2 million, but it's November and they pretty much need the money immediately. And Mike is in a deer hunting stand in Minnesota and he's frantically updating the sales graph on his phone when he just sees this crazy, huge spike of sales. He's talking now. Talking on the phone is against the rules of deer hunting. You're not supposed to because you scare the deer away. So you're not supposed to be on your phone. Yeah. But he called his media guy anyway. And the media guy said two words. Explains everything. Fox News. The midterms had just happened. Republicans retook Congress, and the old Fox News audience was riled up. And they want to support a regular schlub guy who's like them with a product.

[Gareth Reynolds]

With a gambling ad. A gambling addict marries women based on the booming voice behind him. Has been there five or six times.

[Dave Anthony]

A product that is proudly made in America.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And Gareth. That's my pillow. Well, so Mike takes the last of his company's money and buys Fox ads and it pays off. Dude, they rehired a lot of people they had fired and ended the year with a bank balance of. Gareth. I don't know if you can believe this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

8.2 million.

[Dave Anthony]

No, 8.19 million.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shut up.

[Dave Anthony]

But that's basically 8.2.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How did you just say my name? Girith.

[Dave Anthony]

Who cares that he heard God and God was like 8.2 billion. He heard God. God talks in numbers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's. The Fox News element is not helpful. That's. That guy.

[Dave Anthony]

Touched.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Yeah. You are touched.

[Dave Anthony]

Whoa. So next, Mike did what any rising conservative does. He made friends with Stephen Baldwin.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okie dokie. Stephen Baldwin. By the way, for those who don't know, not doing great. Not doing.

[Dave Anthony]

When was he ever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, it's pretty bad now.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, he became like a brother.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he's got enough of those.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he does have a lot of those. They're all not well, actually, two of them are. Okay. Stephen went with Mike to the Federal Enforcement Homeland Security Program Awards Gala. Great. Do you want to hear that again?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

The Federal Enforcement Homeland Security Program Awards Gala.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

And he went with him because Mike was being honored.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And for anyone who's like, hey, America's cooked in the stupidest place of all time. This was like 10 years ago.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike was honored with the Patriot Award for his foundation assisting ICE agents and other feds during their time of need.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

During their time of need.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Their time of need. The. The level of victim we have been doing for ICE the whole time. Same like when we're like, these poor bastards, these poor guys, they're just, you know that some people are trying to find out where they live and are attacking them and being tackling them.

[Dave Anthony]

So he gives a speech. His speech is awful. But it started his sort of integration into the world of right wing celebrities and political figures. Mike's not political. He's never been political up to this point. He's been too busy, you know, smoking. Just an insane. Yeah, I mean, he's like a more crack guy, but now he's sober and he's religious, and so he falls right in with the right wing movement. He asked questions mostly to. He would go on, like, right wing radio programs and he'd ask questions of the hosts. And it turns out on every issue, he was conservative. Just common sense, you know, Common sense thinking. There's no record of him talking to a liberal or a lefty. Just, you know, just kind of all worked out. In February of 2016, he was invited to the National Prayer Breakfast. Now, he really did not like Obama comparing the epidemic of Islamic Jihad to the violent past of Christianity.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that is really.

[Dave Anthony]

That's not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is up.

[Dave Anthony]

Super uncool. He saw it as, quote, taking Christians down a peg.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Which you don't do.

[Dave Anthony]

No, no, no. And then afterwards, he was part of a select group who got to meet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ben Carson, our greatest brain surgeon.

[Dave Anthony]

That's exciting. Remember how Ben Carson had the story of how he stabbed a guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. In the chest.

[Dave Anthony]

The guy was saved because of a belt or something. I don't remember why.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he's. Yeah. There is a crazy story of him saving someone.

[Dave Anthony]

So that that one moment of Ben Carson's life is so far the entirety of Mike Lindell's life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That story of Ben Carson is the most normal story that's been in this episod.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike was so nervous that he couldn't talk to Ben. He was just like Frozen up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, who wouldn't get butterflies around Ben Carson? Guy's awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

So Baldwin asked Mike what his presidential slogan would be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Was it bed Carson, the head of HUD for a minute?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that worked out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

So Baldwin asked Mike what his presidential slogan would be. And Mike said, quote, vote for me and I'll put the R back in Washington.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Help. What? What? What does he mean?

[Dave Anthony]

Do you not get that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

So in some parts of the country, and I don't think it's where he's from.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wash.

[Dave Anthony]

Some parts of the country, they say Washington instead of Washington. Like, it's like a accent thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. I hate it. I hate what he said.

[Dave Anthony]

After that, Stephen Baldwin got Mike invited to the 2016. I can't believe we got a convention.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Body at the floor of Stephen Baldwin.

[Dave Anthony]

And he got to sit next to the Trump family.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, Mike has a religious vision that he would one day meet with Trump, and that was reinforced when he found out that Trump knew about him. So whenever a TV show that Trump was watching went to commercial, Trump would point at the TV and say, quote, watch. It's going to be that pillow guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Watch. It'll be that pillow again.

[Dave Anthony]

So Trump is just watching Fox News, and he loves a shuckster.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And he's like, this guy's great. He does what I do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This guy's full of shit.

[Dave Anthony]

That's all it is. The premonition was building towards truth. Mike prayed, God, I don't know what's going on here, but please just show me. And just then he gets a text. Trump wants to meet. Mike weeps. It seemed like God had spoken directly to me in real time. I mean, this is incredible stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We really. He should have been euthanized. He's like a rabid animal. He just. He's done no good. He's. He's a little too. He just needs to be institutionalized. I shouldn't. I shouldn't say that. He needs to be in a room full of soft pillows where he could just kind of.

[Dave Anthony]

Trump. Or are you talking about Lindell?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm talking about Lindell. Trump should be.

[Dave Anthony]

Let me tell you something.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Trump should be exploded.

[Dave Anthony]

No, no. Trump should not be using a Lindell. Is playing out exactly the way we want him to. It's beautiful. Let's just get to the end because it's great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But Trump exploded.

[Dave Anthony]

No, Trump has. The Trump thing's not great, but the Lindell story is fantastic.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So in New Jersey, just days before the meeting, Mike is a nervous wreck.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But what am I going to say to him? What am I going to do? He's checking his breath. He's got banaka.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, God. Chewing on a pillow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God. Yeah. He's practicing the double dance, the double fist dance.

[Dave Anthony]

But things keep happening that calm him down. Like when he was at lunch and two women came to his table and said, quote, you have something very important coming up and we want to pray with you that whatever it is, it goes well. What the. Is this. Is this what Christians all tell each other happens? It's so weird.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

It's crazy it all. And did. So do all these Christians who like him, like, read that and they go, that's what actually happened?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, yes.

[Dave Anthony]

It's so easy to lie. Like, why don't we just become a Christian podcast? I mean, we kind of are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I mean, we're not. But no, it would be way better if we wanted to. I mean, if we went. Right. Oh, my God. It'd be a great. It'd be a great five years.

[Dave Anthony]

So much being great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Five years.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So the meeting started with Trump looking at the big cross Mike wore around his neck and asking, quote, are you a Christian?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's a classic Trump.

[Dave Anthony]

They discussed manufacturing and advertising and addiction, and Mike described Trump as down to earth and focused and practical. Now, the meeting ended when a man came in singing, for the best night's sleep in the whole wide world, visit mypillow.com and Gareth, that man was Rudy Giuliani.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God. The man who his head.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike goes home and he is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's really amazing that it's just Fox News idiots. Yeah, just like people who like. Like a My pillow slogan.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. So he's now a Trump convert. Like, he's full in on Trump. Trump. He's a Trump man and everyone needs to know it now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good.

[Dave Anthony]

And he has the perfect platform. A pillow company.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that is actually the perfect. That's the perfect platform.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, the corporate attorney, the MyPillow attorney warned him, quote, it will cost my pillow dearly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but that's.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike said that's a sacrifice. Yeah, it is. It's worth it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike. Mike said, we didn't get this far by me not listening to God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, to be fair, Mike, we got pretty far despite you smoking crack and marrying blackjack dealers all the time.

[Dave Anthony]

The next day, he sent out a press release about his support of Trump.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Weirdo. Idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

He makes pillows like, what's happening?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, like who? That was the thing. The whole time you were like, I don't care. Shut up. Like, it just made me be like, all right, I won't use your pillows.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, it's just so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love Trump, okay?

[Dave Anthony]

This led to multiple media. This led to multiple media outlets calling him racist and evil.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That sounds about right.

[Dave Anthony]

This was Mike's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, that's also like, you know, it's just hilarious that right away everyone's like, you are a racist piece of shit. He's like, I make pillows. Like, he just makes pillows.

[Dave Anthony]

This was Mike's, quote, first glimpse of how unfair the press can be. He now had a choice. Protect his business or go all in on Trump. And the first pass pat place his path directed him was Las Vegas to watch the presidential debate between Trump and Hillary. Now, he did not know he was gonna get invited into the spin room, but he was. And reporter asked him, you always wear a cross. What do you think of the Access Hollywood video? And Mike said, he responded, quote, I was a crack cocaine addict.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a. Well, it's one good way to take the heat off of a Grab them by the pussy tape. Wow, that is.

[Dave Anthony]

That's an answer to a different question.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's such an amazing answer. What do you think about the grab by the pussy tape? I smoked crack. Okay. Sure. Okay. We'll be right back. I don't know spin rooms that. I don't know if he knows what the spin room is. Everybody certainly. Maybe he's spitting out of control.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike soon got a call. This is when he's in Vegas. Trump is holding a surprise rally in Minnesota the next day, and he wants Mike to go there and speak. Hometown boy, right? It's supposed to take place at a airplane hangar. Now, the crowd was like miles wrapped around for miles, like a huge crowd. And Mike's absolutely terrified. He's gonna be addressing tens of thousands of people, plus millions are watching at home, and he has no idea how. And he just asked God for help. And then a woman approached him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike. I'm Michelle Bachmann. You look like we need to pray. See, that helped him, Gareth. That helped him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Michelle Bachman has helped nobody. Michelle Bachmann has. Her eyes haven't closed.

[Dave Anthony]

She did. She did help. She did help George Bush become president.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that was cool.

[Dave Anthony]

When he was out in the bright light speaking about how he used to be a crackhead, the audience went crazy. They loved it. He shed his fear of public speaking, and he went on to speak at universities and Businesses and political rall. And Gareth Trump won, thank God. Mike is at the party and he's got it all now. He's got fame, he's got fortune, A real. A relationship with a woman who wanted to sleep in separate rooms, which everyone wants, and the divine love of Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's perfect. Well, I mean, you know, with pillows that comfortable, you want to get two rooms out of them.

[Dave Anthony]

So he lives the next few years just like coasting, you know, he's coasted. Everything's sweet. He's the. My pillow guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he was. He was. He would. Became like an advisor.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Basically he was all over the place. But then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Makes sense. Yeah. It's tough.

[Dave Anthony]

Then the 21, then the 2020 election.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Comes by which 2020 he is, by.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All accounts, it just probably would have been better for Trump to win.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just get it over with and maybe we would have been a little. He wouldn't have had four years off to plot.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike's a Devout Christian. By November 2020, that turns him into an evangelist, proselytizing the gospel of election fraud. He is. That is his new religion.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, for those who don't know, Trump lost that election.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yes. So suddenly he is everywhere, claiming the election had been stolen by Democrats. So Chinese hackers had wormed their way into Dominion voting machines and stolen the presidency from God's chosen candidate, Donald Trump. Everybody knows that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And for those who don't remember or aren't familiar, he, he. Any time he was pressed, he came off as very unprepared and quite stupid.

[Dave Anthony]

Mm. Yes. Mike did all he could to keep the Lord's president in office. And as far as he's concerned, everything's on the table. Just a few days before Trump left The White House, Mr. Pillow man showed up to the West Wing with a stack of notes, and on the top page it said, quote, martial law if necessary. So he gets it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he did. He got addicted to Trump. Trump became a drug which happens with addictive personalities.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Right. So even though Trump does leave the White House, Mike doesn't stop. In February, he debuted a two hour documentary called Absolute Proof that he made in five days.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wonder how he made that so fast.

[Dave Anthony]

He stayed up for five days straight to work on something when that's usually aided by a chemical substance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep, Trump.

[Dave Anthony]

But nobody, nobody has any proof that. That he's using again. But boy, boy, what an interesting thing to stay up five days straight to make a documentary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, you got to be on something to believe all of it.

[Dave Anthony]

Strangely, the documentary was so bad. And full lies, especially about Dominion voting machines that Both Vimeo and YouTube pulled it for spreading misinformation. Dominion threaten. Dominion threatened to sue. And Mike said, quote, then sue me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Dominion two weeks later filed a 1.3 billion dollar lawsuit against Mike and MyPillow for defamation. He asked for it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

1.3 billion. He as well as Fox News.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They claim Mike, quote, continued to maliciously spread false claims that Dominion rigged the election despite repeated warnings. So the lawyers noted that Mike promised absolute proof but never delivered anything but fake documents. And then Mike tried to countersue, but a judge just was like, that's frivolous. And they charged Mike for all the lawyer's fees. Mike then put on a highly publicized two day cyber symposium. This is to get everything on the table. Get all the evidence on the table.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And he. And he later. Now I. This is a pillow. This guy makes pillows.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This guy made pillows. Yep. That's who he is. That's what he did. So, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So he lays it all out for everyone to see, which you think he would have done the documentary, but okay. So exactly how China and the Democrats stole the presidency using key election data as proof. He was so sure of himself that he announced a $5 million prove me wrong challenge.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, gosh.

[Dave Anthony]

And he was immediately proved wrong. And a computer scientist showed that Mike's election data was inauthentic. And my ha. Mike had to pay him $5 million.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God, I can't believe he paid. That guy must have been like, oh, I can't wait. Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

So Mike relentlessly bullied the state of Idaho into doing a full recount, even though had Trump had won Idaho with 67.2% of the vote. But he still bullies them into doing. Because he's like, then we'll see. Machines are lying. But he won. Mike said all 44 Idaho counties have been hacked. Now, one problem with that is that seven of them don't use voting machines.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, potentially that's. That still makes sense. Smuggle a crack. That'll work out.

[Dave Anthony]

So they do the recount and it determines that the. It's accurate. The. The initial count is when within 0.1% of the. So he's wrong. And they charge Mike for the recount that they did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So it feels like some bills are starting to pile up.

[Dave Anthony]

In 2022, Mike was sitting in a drive through line at a Kansas Hardee's when FBI agents surrounded his car and seized his cell phone as part of the federal investigation into a potential breach of voting system technology. Now that's not going to do because he'll get pardoned if he, if that like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Now nothing will.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All of that, everything from then at this point is, you know, null and void. Really.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike said he had, quote, enough evidence to put everybody in prison for life. 300 some million people, which I don't know if you know how many Americans are, but that's 90% of Americans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's pretty crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

So we're all kind of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This crack is real good. Yeah. This crackhead really knows what the fuck he's doing.

[Dave Anthony]

Later that year, major retailers Kohl's and Bed Bath and Beyond dropped my pillow from their stores, costing Mike roughly $100 million.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So I'm, I, I'm just trying to start, I'm just trying to keep track of some math over here. It really feels like this business is going to be crashing out.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I think it's, I think it's poised right where it should be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it's in a good spot.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Mike started his own social media service called Frank Social.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, for those of you who aren't on Frank's, it's really good. There's a lot of really like, it's very similar to the other ones, but it's kind of like a no BS platform.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You could kind of be you. Free speech reigns. You know, it's just, it's Frank's. It's like a joke name that we would come up with on the show, but it really exists.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I got changed. It's now called VOCL.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike spent $1 million a month building an app that pretty much just exist, exists to give Mike a place to talk because he's banned everywhere else because of spreading election lies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep, keep spending.

[Dave Anthony]

This is in addition to the Frank Speech Network, which is also known as Lindell tv.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. FSN has been really helpful for me to kind of get through this time because this is kind of a lonely time. Like you kind of feel like you're on an island a lot of time. And that's what Frank's. All the. Frank's platforms have just been great.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right, Gareth. Guess how much he spent. Well, I'll just tell you now. Fighting election fraud. 40 million. Wow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What an idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

And that's outside of the lawsuits?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, well, he's on the hook. Three billion.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, the lawsuits are starting to pile up. It's not just that a demean executive and engineer sued him, as did another voting machine company, smartmatic. So in 2024. Mike took VOCL public and it immediately recorded a deficit over of over $140 million.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't play the market that much. But is that good?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, it's not that good actually by the day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is your hero.

[Dave Anthony]

But they had a plan. They had a plan to make up for all the lost revenue. They hired Rudy Giuliani.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And again if. When you're. When you're. Hail Mary is Rudy, you're in a good zone.

[Dave Anthony]

In June of 2025, Mike was dealt the major.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Such a clown car of morons.

[Dave Anthony]

It's fucking amazing. It's amazing this guy ever made money. Like this is just a guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he should just in a trailer selling crack. But if he had just shut up, he would just be living in pillow paradise.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, if he shut the up, he would be living great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But this, this era with like him and, and Rudy and. What the hell was her name? That woman who they all just so cocky being like the election was stolen all this.

[Dave Anthony]

Kellyanne Conway. No, there's a lot of them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I can't remember her name but she. She gets sued too. She was a big dominion like this.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh yeah, that woman. Yeah, yeah. She got hammered like. Yeah, she's. So in June 2025, he was dealt a major blow. A jury found him guilty of defamation against former Dominion executive Eric Kumar. And he had to pay 2.3 million out of his personal funds. So that's not a good sign with the coming 1.3 billion dollar lawsuit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A bellwether.

[Dave Anthony]

Mike currently has a crowdfunding campaign to pay for lawyers and fees to appeal the judgment, claiming he won't be able to afford it without the help of his followers. So far he has raised $37,000 of the needed 400.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, we'll. And we'll put the GoFundMe in this episode description just because we really let's help get Mike over there. I mean, you know, we've had some fun and we like to laugh, but the guy needs our help and he. His heart is in the right place. He's a friend of the show.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yep. But look, if you can't afford to give. Also the website has a handy function where it lets you send him a prayer. So that's cool.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

All in all, since he began his crusade to prove the absolutely false notion of election fraud, Mike and my pillow have lost around 200 million and counting. And this doesn't even count. The hundreds of millions are going to come from the Dominion thing. Mike himself has claimed that he's in ruins living on $1,000 a week and he had to borrow money to keep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not that bad. I could live on a thousand dollars a week. I've done a lot worse, Mike. Yeah, and he had to borrow money to keep operations afloat, which is something he's used to. If that's true, he should have called it a fluff. He is a walking example of self destruction that, that a lot of addicts have in America. Every time he gets back on his feet, he cuts his own legs out from under him. He's once. He was once an inspirational Christian success story, but his crazy behavior and ramblings has, you know, knocked that down. It would be sad if he wasn't such a piece of. But anyway, on October 22nd, the Pentagon announced. This is what, three days ago?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

On October 22nd, the Pentagon announced 60 new journalist outlets would be allowed into the building to cover the US military. Nearly all legacy media had rejected their new press policies. So these 60 new will take place of the old media. The new ones include Gateway pundit, podcaster Tim Pool, Front Lines by Turning Point USA and Lindell tv, created by Mike Lindell. Might quote Lindell TV is proud to be part of a new generation of news organizations reshaping how real information reaches the public.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, real information for sure. Well, not to pile on the good news, but Dominion. Dominion, I believe was now is owned by a right wing lunatic. So I think it is.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So even when it comes to the. But.

[Dave Anthony]

But is it completely owned by him or is it. No. Is that Dominion? I thought they bought something else. I don't think they bought Dominion.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They bought everything.

[Dave Anthony]

He bought another company.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think it's Dominion, bro. Either way, this is what sucks about that last election. I mean, it's like there's many things that suck, but it's that these people all get the U turn like they get the.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, you're right, you're right. It was bought by. This is October 9th. He purchased and revamped a Dominion voting system. The new company is called Liberty Vote.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, so now that's going to be the election counting like we are.

[Dave Anthony]

But why would any. Why would any. So, so I'm just. I'm. I'm a. I'm a. A liberal governor. I'm a liberal State House. I'm a liberal whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I' Liberal pull that quote.

[Dave Anthony]

Why would you allow Just immediately get rid of all Dominion machines?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, let me ask you this, Dave. Do you think they're going to do that?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Of course not. They're not. Because they are. They're Their whole, their whole model is to be the flat footed oopsie. How did happens.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But, but, but regardless, the teeing up of this election to not be real, they've got it eight different ways. I mean if it's not the gerrymandering, it's the. They'll force the recounts and they've put all these people in power and they might not even need to do that because the voting machines are going to be. You know, they are now that if this were to happen in 2026 or 2028 especially, they will validate any conspiracy theory that is needed. If it even gets to that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is cool.

[Dave Anthony]

True. Yeah, it is cool.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right after Steve Bannon says Trump is definitely going to be president in 2028.

[Dave Anthony]

So he did say that. I did sing in that video.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Written by Josh Androwski. Source material, a lot of it's from Mike's own autobiography. So that's why it all sounds crazy and completely false. The book is called what are the Odds From Crack Addict to CEO by Mike Lindell. Also the Guardian, Business Insider, and ABC News.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, shout out to Mike Lindell. You really.

[Dave Anthony]

Shout out to Mike Lindell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are real fucking idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

What a fucking idiot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And shout out to Mike Lindell, you are a big, big stupid idiot. But hey, you figured out a stupid way to make a pillow that old boomers who are probably a little racist loved.

[Dave Anthony]

It just, it just shows how fucked up it just so fucked up America is and how we've never solved any of our sort of issues that we've talked about for on this podcast, you know, over 300 years or whatever. The, the fact that just the dumb.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Doesn'T feel like we've been doing it.

[Dave Anthony]

For that so much money. But you know what I mean, all the episodes we talked about like this, just these fucking idiots making money and it's like, yeah, the system is just a disaster.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is there? If you were a white crackhead with this level of a redemption story, would no part of you be putting any sort of philanthropy towards helping people deal with drug addiction? Instead he just becomes a fucking Trump moron and just loses himself in that. And then woes me's when his pillow company goes under because he believes that aliens act the election.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I mean, can I I just have to say, like I, I have said like on Twitter whatever in the past. Like this guy is clearly still just a drug addict and people who are on the left have been like, hey, man, he really pulled himself out of his boots. Motherfucker. Read the book. Read anything. This dude has never stopped doing drugs. This dude has never. Every single thing about him says, I am still high on fucking drugs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

As well as we really should not be. We. Look, these fascist psychos, they don't concede many victories or give tiny compliments or they don't give an inch. Why would you to this guy reward or celebrate him in any way? Just because he's a folksy dangerous does not mean he's not a dangerous. We really need to start getting our heads out of our fucking asses because this way that we've been playing it for the past 40, 50 years is not working. That's what got us here. So continuing to just sort of be like, hey, come on, we aim high. You know, let's, let's. That doesn't work. It fully is time to just try to get Jon Stewart to run for president and hold onto your butt cheeks. Because we have no hope other than attack these people as soon as humanly possible and do it by any means necessary. When it comes to rhetorical abuse in their direction, all we really have as people with microphones is the ability to make fun of them. And that's why when we call Stephen Miller a ghoul or say that he's Screech Powers, you know, mixed with Nosferatu or whatever like these are, that is all we have. And so you should not be championing Mike Lindell's comeback story because he's.

[Dave Anthony]

He's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

His comeback story is a story of a man who never came down.

[Dave Anthony]

Seriously. So this is going up in a couple days. So that means that we still have a couple days left of shows left. So on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'Ll be in Lindell's hometown.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. We'll be in Minneapolis on the 29th, we'll be in Kansas City. And on the 30th, we'll be in Denver. I think Denver sold out, though.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But Denver is sold out. But the rest of them.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, the other two you can get tickets to.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, you can get tickets. So get some tickets. Hey, Dollop fans. I know you love the Dollop. You love listening to the Dollop. Do you want to watch the Dollop? You're like, gareth, what are you talking about? By the way, it's not Gary, it's Gareth. Well, we have partnered with Lakeside Animation and we are starting to animate some of our episodes. So if you want to go watch a five parter animation, which is actually like a 22 minute episode or 30 minute episode I can't remember of the rube. You can go to LakeSide Animation on YouTube and watch a really awesome animation of the rube. It. It really genuinely kicks ass and we're very proud of it. And the more you share it, the more you give it to people, the more you follow Lakeside, all that stuff, the better chance we have of making a lot more of them. We're already making a second one, so go there and watch the rube.