724 - Garrett Trapnell - part two

Summary

The Dollop #724: Garrett Trapnell - Part Two (March 10, 2026) Hosted by Dave Anthony & Gareth Reynolds

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Episode Overview

In this episode, comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds continue their exploration of the wild true-life tale of Garrett Trapnell—a compulsive conman, bank robber, skyjacker, charming manipulator, and folk legend with a flair for the dramatic and a knack for escape. Picking up after Part One, the hosts delve into Garrett's escalating crimes, his hunger for adrenaline, bizarre alter egos, manipulative legal defenses, and the utterly chaotic trail of destruction, broken hearts, and hijackings he left behind.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Garrett’s New Life and Cycles of Crime

• Reinvention in LA: After another escape from a mental institution in 1969, Trapnell creates the new persona "James W. Stewart", brokering a fake military background and landing a job selling cleaning chemicals to the army base. He marries Susan, confessing his criminal past—she stays loyal regardless.
  • “She’s too in love with him to care.” – Dave [05:53]
• But…The Cycle Continues: Garrett can’t escape his compulsions. He begins conning grocery stores with bad checks, netting $600,000 (in today’s money).
  • “Most people would be like, $50, and you’d scam or whatever...he made over 600 grand doing this.” – Dave & Gareth [07:52, 07:54]
• Springing an Accomplice: Garrett engineers a daring escape for his friend George Padilla from a mental institution—George simply bulldozes through during a shift change. [09:00]

Bank Robberies and International Flight

• Escalation: Not content with cons, Garrett teams up with George and robs a bank in Montreal, returning to the US successfully.
• Narrow Escapes: The duo evade law enforcement through near-comedic strokes of luck—fog at JFK allows Garrett to slip away to St. Louis unnoticed with the FBI waiting at the wrong gate. [13:10]
  • “He just jumps onto the first flight out of JFK before they could nab him.” – Dave [13:09]

Personal Chaos and Failed Attempts at Going Straight

• Attempt at Legitimacy: Inspired by guilt, Garrett tries (and spectacularly fails) to run a dog-breeding farm for security firms in Baltimore, resulting in hilarious hypothetical business pitches involving monkeys, children’s brains, and sharks.
  • “The future is monkeys with guns on the back of German shepherds that we grow in Baltimore farmland.” – Gareth [18:08]
• Backlash and Violence: His attempts at social justice, like hosting Black children on the farm (“Guilty Pastures”), provoke his racist wealthy neighbors, culminating in four dogs killed by a sniper. [22:16]

The Criminal Spiral

• Back to Crime: Fleeing Baltimore, the couple try to settle in SF, but paranoia sends Garrett on the run again. When Susan gives birth, the FBI is waiting at the hospital; Garrett flees, gets busted en route to Mexico, and faces dozens of charges. [24:10]
• The Legal Ploy—Greg Ross: Playing psychologists, Garrett claims he's sometimes overtaken by a sinister alter ego named “Greg Ross”, a Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde defense that works repeatedly.
  • “He made his shrink believe that the entire crime binge had been a burst of schizophrenic mental illness and that he was now totally okay.” – Dave [26:15]

The Hustle Escalates: Showgirls, Yachts & International Crime

• Garrett charms, cons, and leaves a trail of scammed showgirls, stolen credit cards, dodged ex-wives, and elaborate thefts (robbery at a Bahamian jewelry store, then a daring plane escape). [37:05–41:36]
• Collaborates with another conman, Roger Peterson, and even attempts to blend into southern aristocracy by marrying a debutante and robbing Canadian banks monthly ("Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid”). [46:46–48:09]

Descent into Destruction: Skyjacking and Psychological Warfare

• Adrenaline Junkie: Increasingly reckless, Garrett’s fixation on spectacle and near-suicidal risk climaxes with a skyjacking—a fake cast hides his gun as he takes over a TWA flight, demands ransom, and requests political prisoners’ freedom.
  • “You are being hijacked. Act naturally and lead the way to the cabin...I have a pistol and there is a bomb in the aircraft.” – Garrett's note [63:01–63:42]
• Confronting the System: On the phone with a psychologist, Garrett offers a damning critique of the prison/mental health system:
  • “You rob a man of five years of his life, and he comes back in a society without having left anything for himself...these correctional institutions...they don’t build anything.” – Garrett (quoted by Dave) [69:24–69:53]
• Betrayed and Set-Up: While negotiating at JFK, Garrett surrenders leverage by freeing the hostages, is shot while being tricked by FBI agents in disguise, and tried again—still falling back on the Greg Ross defense, manipulating jurors and earning a mistrial. [71:37–73:12]

The Final Years & His Unbelievable Legacy

• Nixon’s Law & Order: The government hammers for a conviction. Garrett is finally sentenced to life in prison. [74:03]
• The Cult of Trapnell—Mother-Daughter Hijackers: While in prison, his story inspires Barbara Oswald (who dies attempting a helicopter prison break for him) and later her daughter Robin, who attempts to hijack a plane at 17 to demand his release, using road flares as a fake bomb. [77:06]
• Prison Years: Garrett becomes an infamous prison celebrity, paints, studies languages, never betrays accomplices, and dies in 1993 of emphysema. [77:30]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “This guy’s life is insane.” – Dave [47:10]
• “He can’t be stopped...He’s like Neo.” – Gareth [56:53]
• “He finally felt free...Free of lies and deceit. Free of the world that he built around himself.” – Dave [51:02–52:00]
• “You rob a man of five years of his life...these correctional institutions...they don’t build anything.” – Garrett (via Dave) [69:24–69:53]
• “Can you imagine getting a mother-daughter hijack combo...that is nuts.” – Gareth [77:30]

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Garrett assumes 'James Stewart' identity and confesses to Susan [03:35–05:53]
• Bad checks scam nets $600k [06:27–07:54]
• Breakout of George Padilla [09:00–09:42]
• Narrow escape from FBI due to fog at JFK [13:09–13:26]
• Dog-breeding farm fiasco & Baltimore chaos [16:10–20:08]
• Dog-sniper incident, return to California [22:16–22:28]
• Greg Ross defense first deployed [24:47–26:41]
• Bahamian jewelry store heist & Miami plane escape [37:05–41:36]
• Monthly Canadian bank robberies as Butch Cassidy & Sundance Kid [46:46–48:09]
• First skyjacking & manifesto on the system [62:47–69:53]
• Mother-daughter hijackings inspired by Trapnell [75:50–77:30]

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Tone & Style

• The episode is filled with Gareth’s improvisational bits, inventive character voices, and surreal hypothetical business pitches (dog-growing, monkeys with guns), keeping a light, absurdist, and sarcastic tone even while discussing dark subject matter.
• Dave acts as the semi-straight man, providing historical facts and summarizing events, while Gareth reacts with incredulity, dark humor, and frequent asides.
• The episode shows a blend of true crime, dark comedy, and cultural commentary, characteristic of The Dollop.

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Summary/Takeaways

This episode chronicles a true American antihero—Garrett Trapnell—whose relentless need for excitement, manipulation, and challenge led to decades of crime, social engineering, and an improbable cult following, culminating in copycat skyjackings and a lasting folk legend. The story is a wild romp through the crime-laden 1970s, skirting the absurdity of mental health defenses, the shortcomings of law enforcement, and the allure of chaos. By the end, Dave and Gareth leave listeners debating whether a life of wild, reckless adventure—even at the expense of others—is preferable to one of dull convention.

Final Question (79:07):

“Would you rather live a brief life of just total chaotic fun or a long life of boring?" – Dave

Gareth: “Let’s go.” [79:25]

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Source Material Mentioned

• “The Fox is Crazy Too: The True Story of Garrett Trapnell, Adventurer, Skyjacker, Bank Robber, Con Man and Lover” by Eliot Asinoff

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(Advertisements, intros, and outros omitted. All timestamps in MM:SS format.)

Transcript

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what that topic is going to. Out to those of those. Those who are turn tuning in for the first time. I'm not a clown. We have a lot of fun here. Listen. Go dollap podcast.com. we're going on tour. Same old van, not a new van. So close to a new van.

[Dave Anthony]

That was crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't even know. Yeah, and we blame Matt Farah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, definitely blame Matt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't go get drunk at Matt's house, send you home in a wayo. And then they'll get you on a wild goose chase trying to get a sprinter van.

[Dave Anthony]

He's from the Burning Oven podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Burning Oven?

[Dave Anthony]

Isn't that the podcast he's on? No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Rubber tires. Smoking tires.

[Dave Anthony]

I think it's oven.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smoking tires, burning oven. Nope.

[Dave Anthony]

We'll check. We'll have Jamie check that. But I'm pretty sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Did you see the. Anytime people getting near, like, billionaires or Epstein, he'll be like, all right, we're good. We'll be like, yeah. It's so weird.

[Dave Anthony]

All right, this is part two of Garrett Trapnel. Part two. It's been two weeks since we did part one, so we'll see how much Garrett's remembering that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like the Bare Naked Ladies. No, actually, it's been two weeks since part one.

[Dave Anthony]

Sometimes I am concerned about what happens in your head. Other times it's, like, great and funny. But then there are definitely times where I'm like, man, this guy's trapped. He's trapped in his own head. And it's got.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I went to a llama farm in Portland, and I def. Like the Woman who. They were great. This woman, they're like. She does these airport therapy llamas. But by the time I left that farm, that woman's mother was like, what's wrong with you? Are you okay?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you did send me a video of you tongue kissing a llama. Baby llama. For a good 30 seconds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not a baby. That was a adult female.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you shitting me?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Huh?

[Dave Anthony]

No, that was a baby.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Oh, all right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was a baby.

[Dave Anthony]

You were. You were doing Epstein island llama shit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I bribed it in my mouth with carrots.

[Dave Anthony]

1969. Yeah, 69. Gareth. Gary. We're calling him Gary. Gary Trapnell was on the move again after escaping from another mental institution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He landed in Los Angeles and now assumed the identity of James W. Stewart, an army captain.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is Jimmy Stewart.

[Dave Anthony]

This is Jihad. Jimmy Stewart, originally.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Wait a minute. I. Well, I guess I've always been bitten by that.

[Dave Anthony]

You've been waiting to do that forever.

[Guest/Character Actor]

I didn't even know I really had a gym.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, you probably walk around the house doing that one.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, someday it'll come up on the podcast. I'll be able to crowbar it in.

[Dave Anthony]

Who medically retired and was returning?

[Guest/Character Actor]

I've been medically retiring. I was. I was in Vietnam. The memories haunt me.

[Dave Anthony]

He moved into an apartment.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Someone drops a phone book, I think it's a gun. Now I live in the Valley. The whole episode now I never want

[Dave Anthony]

anything to stop more.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Now, wait a minute there, Dave. Hold on a minute there.

[Dave Anthony]

Includes Vietnam.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Still hear the gunshots? I saw some of my best friends go, damn it, one of them was a rabbit.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm just gonna leave.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why?

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, if you're gonna leave, I'll tell you what, I'm gonna leave, too, okay?

[Dave Anthony]

Just don't follow me.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, where are you going?

[Dave Anthony]

Not where you are.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Oh, there's a pretty big car. Always make cars this big where you're from?

[Dave Anthony]

What are you doing? What does that even mean? What just happened?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, in this time, he's in your time, so he's following you to.

[Dave Anthony]

Your cars are big also.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, they're just so compact.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, now they are.

[Dave Anthony]

They were big back then.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Not too big.

[Dave Anthony]

And now They've talked about 1969 right now. What are you talking about?

[Guest/Character Actor]

When you yell at me, it takes me right back to my platoon, and I don't like that memory.

[Dave Anthony]

Damn it. So then he met Susan, he fell in love with her, and he married

[Gareth Reynolds]

her as James Stewart.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Always a good move. Classic dollop trope.

[Dave Anthony]

So he got a job Selling cleaning chemicals to an army base.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And he settled down, Settles down. He's like a regular work in jail with a wife. Yeah. He was going to be married. A normal guy now. He even came clean to Susan about everything he had done.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everything.

[Dave Anthony]

Everything. But she's too in love with him to care.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a relief that must have been.

[Dave Anthony]

He's changed now. Yeah, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. To unburden yourself and be like, she's sticking around.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, he has done multiple crimes and in and out of mental institutions like his history.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's like, that's okay.

[Dave Anthony]

I love you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's great.

[Dave Anthony]

But Garrett is Garrett. And eventually, as always, he got paranoid and restless. It's only so long he can do this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But this is the cycle. This is what happens.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He started writing bad checks, and soon he had $600,000 in today's money, most from conning big grocery store chains.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How much money?

[Dave Anthony]

600,000 in today's money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's just. Because people probably don't know how it worked back then, but back then, that's how you got cash was you would go to the grocery store, write a check for over the amount. Sometimes you would just go to the grocery store and write a check and go, can I get $50? And they'd give it to you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it's like, it's really hard to go. To even think back to when that worked, how that worked for so long.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, because.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just because crime, you were like, I'm not gonna do crime.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, part of it was you're part of a society, and as a store, you want regular customers, and if you do convenient things for them. So. And they just don't expect, like, a lot of people to come in and do that. And a lot of people won't. Overall, most people aren't just gonna show

[Gareth Reynolds]

ID with the check.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's just got a fake. What's he.

[Dave Anthony]

Fake id.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fake ID and fake check at the grocery store is like, man. Yeah, that's fine.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, but they match. That's all you had.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

There's no other way to do it back then. You look at the idea.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is he, like, first. He's first.

[Dave Anthony]

No, people have been doing checks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Check.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he made over 600 grand doing this.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, yeah, but I think most people wouldn't take it to this level. So this is extraordinary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's what I mean, though.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, most people would be like, $50 and you' scam or whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's going nuts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, yeah, just these tomatoes. And then like 50 grand. They're crazy. So how much is that? $50,004.

[Dave Anthony]

And you know what? To actually just keep the tomatoes, you know, that's fine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I actually don't need them.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he gets in a car and heads east.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The thing is that it's the rush. He likes the rush.

[Dave Anthony]

He does like the rush. It's all about. It's all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Once you kind of become calm, then the. You know, you. He wants the. He wants the adrenaline again.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. It's about the juice.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he meets a woman who accepts him for him. I mean, obviously he's under a fake name, but she accepts him. All that. And even that. That's not good enough.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. No. He needs to be on the ropes.

[Dave Anthony]

And he. The brush is also like the rush of, like, falling in love with the woman. Yeah. It's another rush and another rush.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ye.

[Dave Anthony]

So first thing he does when he heads east is to go and spring George Padilla from the mental institution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

His boy.

[Dave Anthony]

And this is how they did it. So Garrett waits outside in a car during a shift change. Now, remember, George is a really big guy, right? So George just runs through and plows through everyone when the doors are open and just runs and jumps in the car. Perfect. That's it. He just does like a football.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They are benefiting a lot from being first again.

[Dave Anthony]

Nobody thought of that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. People are like, well, then we'll chip. Whoa. Did he just run? What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

Wait. You could just run out of here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy shit. I didn't know a man could Kool Aid his way out of this event. So he's just got 600 grand in grocery store ripoff cash. And then his friend just ran.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, now we might need a wall. This is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

It's always a bad sign when the. The mental patient puts on a football helmet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's Geronimo. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So, yeah, he's a football player. He's a. He's. He's like from one for the cuckoo's net. Cuckoo's nest. He's like that chief. That size.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So when we call him Madden's Worth.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. Then they take a boat to upstate New York.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Great.

[Dave Anthony]

Where they had a great time for a few weeks until George has. Sorry. Garrett has an idea. Prove to himself that he could do more than just write phony checks and knock off gas stations.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not about the money.

[Dave Anthony]

Wants to take it up a level. Rob a bank.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. Greedy.

[Dave Anthony]

Because you. If you are this type of criminal, you always need to push it.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Even though George.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's really. And I'm not even being a jerk off. It is how you get Epstein. It's people who are like, boy, we need the next fix. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So even though George is a dumbass and almost got them caught, they successfully robbed a bank in Montreal and got back across the border into the U.S. great. A couple months later, Garrett's good luck finally came to an end, and he was caught. Garrett was sent by the state of New York to a Canadian prison, and he spent a lot of time in the library trying to figure out some angle to get free.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And sure enough, the warden said I could go. Oh, yeah, you promised that. He said that to you? All right, yeah. There you go, then.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. I'll see you later, fellas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

All right. Thank you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a nice guy. I can't believe the word. And let that. That guy go.

[Dave Anthony]

The warden. What? He didn't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whoa. Nobody's ever pulled that shenanigan before.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, Canadians.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sweet, sweet Canadians.

[Dave Anthony]

He learned it's technically illegal for an individual state to deal directly with a foreign country. The federal government has to do it. Not so the Canadian state. So he got a Republican.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, I say, right.

[Dave Anthony]

So he gets a Republican senator to make a really big deal out of it and take. Is the Republican rube taking Democratic New York representatives to task for, quote, abusing an American natural.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How dare ye.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a good boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How do you have broken law and then cut to the Republican Party now? Sure. Whatever you want, sir.

[Dave Anthony]

When he was being transferred to a prison in the States, he was put on a plane back to New York, where the FBI was waiting. But in what? It's just like a luck. Pure magical luck. There was intense fog shrouding the airport, and the pilot lands at the wrong gate. So there's no FBI agents at the gate. And he just jumps onto the first flight out of JFK before they could nab him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

And within five minutes, he's headed to St. Louis.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's awesome. It sucks about St. Louis, but everything else is great. That is great, isn't it? Yeah. The luck of just like, oh, what's the next flight? Well, we're going to St. Louis at 6:45.

[Dave Anthony]

You have one, please now go. Say, I'm a criminal on the run and I want to be on the next plane out of this airport, which. Which. And I'm not. I'm not. I'm just like, hypothetically.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it'd be St. Louis, but we're going to need to get a check. Do you want any cash back with that?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I'm just gonn. I'm gonna leave this blank for you guys.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And go ahead and fill out whatever you need.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All we have is $40,000. There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

All right. Thank you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, thanks so much.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I get cash, more cash back?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely. You can take whatever you want. Everyone's an idiot in this time.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

None of this has ever been done before.

[Dave Anthony]

And you know what? You keep the tomatoes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, great. No problem. Thank you so much.

[Dave Anthony]

So he reconnects with Susan. But she. She had been waiting for most time and going through hell. She was alienated and kicked out of the house by Garrett's drunk mother. She was sexually assaulted by a cop. And once they're reunited, things. They're not the same. But they do love each other. But it's not what it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's fucking incredible for this guy to be able to still be. You know what I mean? Show up after all this and still be like, hey, babe. Well, she let me. Her.

[Dave Anthony]

They headed back and forth across the country where Garrett tried to return Susan to her mother so she didn't get, like, caught up in the crime stuff that he's doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, okay. How old is Susan?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. But she's like a grown up.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, she's an adult. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I can just live on my own. It's important that I return you to your mom.

[Dave Anthony]

You're what we call a go back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're gonna go back to your mom? I'm 34.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mrs. Anderson, your daughter, she needs to be safe here. I'm bad news.

[Dave Anthony]

Susan refuses to let him. She's like, with him no matter what right now.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Go on, get out. Get out of here. No, nobody needs you.

[Dave Anthony]

There's no reason for him to be here, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no.

[Guest/Character Actor]

I'm stoked.

[Dave Anthony]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Nobody needs you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Move.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Not get. Are you still sticking around? Huh? Wow. Maybe this is something.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus Christ. Trying to do right. Where are you going? Trying to do. Trying to do right by her. He had an obvious ideal for. For a real business that would set them straight. So going straight, something good. Move to Baltimore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Perfect start.

[Dave Anthony]

And start a farm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, Perfect area for a farm.

[Dave Anthony]

Raising German shepherds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, good. Yeah. No, definitely go to Baltimore and start

[Dave Anthony]

a dog farm to rent out as security dogs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So new plan. Maybe this is the cocaine talking, but we're going to move to Baltimore, known for its ubiquitous farmland, and we're going to raise German Shepherds. And rent them out to security firms.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. Hell, yeah. I love you.

[Dave Anthony]

Remember when you had the cleaning business where you sent sold cleaning supplies?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Too straight and narrow. We're going to grow dogs.

[Dave Anthony]

How? Okay, people usually don't say grow dogs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

German shepherds.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Security dogs.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And we're going to rent them.

[Dave Anthony]

To who?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Security firms.

[Dave Anthony]

Don't they already have them?

[Gareth Reynolds]

They'll need more.

[Dave Anthony]

But why would they rent them?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because they don't want to buy them. So we will rent them and at the end of the day, they will return them to us.

[Dave Anthony]

At the end of the day or

[Gareth Reynolds]

weekend or no month? I don't know. How do you? Well, I don't know. I'm open to pitching, but what I am locked into is Baltimore Farm, German Dogs and the Red Doll. I think that's a very good start.

[Dave Anthony]

It seems not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They'd run them for a week. We do them by the week, and then when they like them, they buy them and we keep them. More dogs coming? Yes. Everybody likes it. Hands in.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you on cocaine?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, I am on a lot of cocaine.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But that's why the idea is working a lot.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not working.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do more coke. Catch up with me. Okay. Oh, and we'll put little saddles on them and monkeys can ride them with guns. Security firms will like them.

[Dave Anthony]

Why would anybody want that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because then they have extra protection. The future is monkeys with guns on the back of German shepherds that we grow in Baltimore farmland.

[Dave Anthony]

But wouldn't monkeys just shoot anybody?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No, you're right. Well, we'll need to swap the monkey brains.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

With children brains. We will put the brains of baby children in there. Yes. Everybody likes it. Hands in.

[Dave Anthony]

Where do the monkey brains go?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll make them into a soup. Come on. We'll make a man. Two with soup.

[Dave Anthony]

I like the song.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hell, yeah. Making them, too. With soup. We got a monkey brine soup.

[Dave Anthony]

Did we just start a band?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm pretty sure we did. Sharks. My business is called German Shepherd Security. Dogs with child brained monkeys with pistols on their backs.

[Dave Anthony]

Wait, why did you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is a rental idea.

[Dave Anthony]

Why did you say sharks?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

He said sharks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shark tank.

[Dave Anthony]

I thought you were gonna rent sharks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Also not a bad pitch from Water Security. The question is, how do we get gills on a monkey? And the answer is razor blade.

[Dave Anthony]

In less than two months, the business was almost defunct.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God damn it. I don't know where we turned.

[Dave Anthony]

Such a good idea.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Every part of this was airtight. Perfect.

[Dave Anthony]

But lucky for them, Martin Luther King Jr. Was assassinated by the FBI and riots gripped the country. Now, that's not the official story, but let's be honest. Let's be honest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. Was killed. So the German shepherd security dog business looks great again.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. Security demand for security. German shepherd dogs skyrocketed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God.

[Dave Anthony]

Overnight, their business became a complete success.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just unbelievably stupid.

[Dave Anthony]

This made Garrett feel kind of gross. So he used his new wealth to bring young black kids from the ghetto up to the farm to ride horses, swim, play with the puppies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Welcome to Guilty Pastures. Here at Guilty Pastures, black children can ride horses for free. No reason.

[Dave Anthony]

Welcome to camp. I feel bad. Unfortunately, the wealthy white neighbors didn't appreciate seeing young black men so close to their estates.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, I'm trying to bridge a lot of gaps here, huh? So I need the black kids to come up here to ride the horses because the assassination of civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. Made my German shepherd dog.

[Dave Anthony]

So we're with you up until the black kids come here, and then we're not on the same page anymore. We're very. We're very upset about Martin Luther King. I think we all are. But I think that at the same

[Gareth Reynolds]

time, I'm renting German shepherds to attack

[Dave Anthony]

at the same time black people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So trying to undo that by black children. No, I don't like.

[Dave Anthony]

Will the. Will the dogs be eating the black children?

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, the children are here to sort of just cleanse. My, my, my.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we have a different idea for the word cleanse. Jesus Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, you know what's nuts is talking to someone who I think is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

You know what? I'm just going to throw this out there. The HOA doesn't allow it, so. Thank you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've been growing German shepherds.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, first of all, no one says grow when they talk about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you call it when two dogs growing. Next. Next question.

[Dave Anthony]

So the neighbors called the cops, and Garrick defy Garrett defied them for a month.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There is no better business to defy the police than a German shepherd security dog business. How about this? I'll just let my dogs go.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, one morning, he woke up to find that four of his dogs had been killed by a sniper. Christ. Well, I mean, this is the game,

[Gareth Reynolds]

by the way, kids. Snipers start to have some moral fibers. They're just pretty much set and forget.

[Dave Anthony]

Now would be a good time. He packed up and headed back with the now pregnant Susan to California. This time, San Francisco.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, so he's Got it. I like how they weren't working out, so they just decided to tour the country and, you know, have a family.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, now they're gonna live in the barrier. Normal domestic married couple now. No, no, this is gonna get. This is gonna last.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's gonna get the.

[Dave Anthony]

This time. We're gonna hang in there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I need to rob a blimp.

[Dave Anthony]

It worked for a few months. Yeah. But the paranoia returned. He feared FBI goons would show up at his door at any minute.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mm.

[Dave Anthony]

And when Susan had a pregnancy complication, he saw it as a bad omen and sent her to L. A. And he ran off to Shreveport, Louisiana. Oh, God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just came back from the doctor. There's something wrong with the baby. You need to go to Los Angeles.

[Dave Anthony]

And here's what I'm thinking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm going to go fish. I'm going to go to Shreveport. What? But now I need you now more than ever.

[Dave Anthony]

I get close to the crawfish. This is it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You got a devil in your womb. I'm going to Forrest Gump the only way, you idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

He went to Shreveport, Louisiana, because that's a place he had never been.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's a lot of those.

[Dave Anthony]

Susan gave birth to Garrett Junior. Now, Garrett very much wanted to be there to meet the baby. Unfortunately, he couldn't because the FBI was actually there at the hospital, waiting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, they were.

[Dave Anthony]

They really were.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's right.

[Dave Anthony]

He was paranoid. But also, they were there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett's plan was to go to. A new plan is to go to Mexico City, get settled, and then eventually bring down Susan and Junior. Once he's got everything set up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

But on the flight there, he fell asleep and woke up in Dallas with guns pointed at his head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Was that the connection, flight or what?

[Dave Anthony]

I think that's the connection, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He eventually ended up in an LA courtroom to answer for all of his crimes. Dozens of theft and fraud charges. But Garrett has a trick up his sleeve.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, my name's Jimmy Stewart.

[Dave Anthony]

The only thing that could get him out of this, Greg Ross.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who?

[Dave Anthony]

Greg Ross, an attorney. He would use Greg to fool psychologists in, quote, to, quote, believing that he was a genuine Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, normally a sane, honest man whose mind, every so often, was taken over by a sinister alter ego named Greg Ross.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Now, look, most times I'm pretty good, but then sometimes at night, I turn

[Gareth Reynolds]

into Greg Ross, evil grocery store criminal.

[Dave Anthony]

Why is it Jimmy store?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because.

[Guest/Character Actor]

That's because you gave me a hacky premise. Now I can keep beating it dead. You know what I'm in a courtroom and appeal to their wiser senses.

[Dave Anthony]

So Greg Ross was the Mr. Hyde that comes out to commit the crimes and only the crimes. And then Greg goes away right after the crimes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He just wakes up. He's like, got so much money.

[Dave Anthony]

How did I get here with all this cash?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Greg? No.

[Dave Anthony]

Greg got 40 German shepherds and money. Oh, God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What did Greg do that? It's like quantum leaping. Oh, no. What have I done?

[Dave Anthony]

So Garrett works the psychologists through a masterful bout of manipulation, and he doesn't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He.

[Dave Anthony]

He made his shrink believe that the entire crime binge had been a burst of psychophrenic mental illness and that he was now totally okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The good news, doc. I figured it out. I just have to stop allowing him into my body.

[Dave Anthony]

The other the Greg.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

And do you know how you can do that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've just completely stopped it.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. I just said no more.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, congratulations.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you.

[Dave Anthony]

You're free to go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, there is one thing. Sometimes at night, I am taken over by another personality.

[Dave Anthony]

Who's that? Stop.

[Guest/Character Actor]

A little guy comes out to play. Such a Wonderful Life indeed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So now there's the three of us. There's me, Evil Greg.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, I don't feel good about any of it either.

[Dave Anthony]

It's very obvious I should have never read that name.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Come on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're having fun. It's good. It's like when I found out I had an Elmo.

[Dave Anthony]

Elmo was amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett was found not guilty on all charges and strolled out of the courtroom a free man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

An apartment.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Spider Man.

[Dave Anthony]

So we at the same time, happened to get into business with Pesty. Pesty came on board, and so I was like, finn, I got this. So I got the little kit mail to me. You just take the solution, and you, like, mix it up in a little bag, and you pour it into a bottle. And then you. And then you spray. Spray outside around.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like your own little outside around.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. You can also spray inside around the baseboards and stuff. And it was super easy. And I don't have to pay a million dollars to have a guy come do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

And then you're in charge of it, which Is seems pretty great. And it gets rid of 100 types of bugs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, they are coming fast and furious nowadays.

[Dave Anthony]

They are. Well, especially ants in the summer here in California because we had a real ant attack this summer. So I'm very happy that I have this. So you get a sprayer, you get obviously the pesticide. You get a sprayer, a mixing bag, gloves, and then instructions on how to do it. And it's really easy. Like it's crazy easy. You can start as little as 35 bucks per treatment. A customized plan based on your location and the other thing, climate, which is very helpful. It's kid and pet friendly. Obviously I had pets, so that was a big part of this for me. They're fully registered and have been used in hospitals and schools all over the country. 100% bug free guarantee or your money back and safe. You can set up in less than 10 minutes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is so easy.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I love it. You just take four of these little guys in the morning, every morning. I've seen skeptics converted.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No, it's wild.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, here's my new tag. Nutrafol. Change your root in

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Neutropol, we're rooting for you. No, sorry. Neutropol, we're root in for you.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, we got the song for this one. Go ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I agree with this. I agree with this.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Isn't it annoying?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I agree with this. We both have been using Rocket Money for a long time. Those first couple sessions, I mean, you are just. It is nuts what you're getting back. But there is also something about saying to these places, your little. Your little system, okay, Rocket Money is my goalie and we're blocking your shots

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you doing a Lovett's?

[Dave Anthony]

So after years of overpaying for wireless, finally got fed up with these insane wireless bills.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

I switched to Mint Mobile and now I pay a lot less. And it's super easy. It's just as good. Everyone should be doing it. There's no reason not to do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And it's the. It's the same quality. They're using the same 5G. It's all the same as you're. The only thing is that, you know, we've said this before, it does not make your phone taste like mint. I've gotten a lot of letters from people asking why I'm still licking my phone when you tell me to. Do not lick your phone. It does not taste like mint. Go ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

We love mint.

[Dave Anthony]

We love mint. You know, speaking of that, give your phone a little lick, Gareth. Just give it. Yeah, I think, I think.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because I feel like I just sort of said.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a Mint update or what is that?

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

He settled down with Susan and Junior. But soon enough, as always, Greg got the itch. Greg, ready to go, baby. He sold the dog to a gorgeous showgirl slash topless go go dancer slash hustler named Kathleen.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, goodbye.

[Dave Anthony]

And became obsessed with the idea of hustling the Hustler.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, interesting. I thought he was gonna love the topless thing.

[Dave Anthony]

He leaves Susan, who is pregnant again. Again, promising her that it was just a financial situation, that he would be back for her and the kids soon. So he's like, I'm gonna go off with this hot broad. I'm conning her, but I'm taking all of her money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm gonna con.

[Dave Anthony]

Honey, it's great. Yeah, I'm her and doing a lot of stuff, but I don't wanna.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why didn't you just stay here with. With Garrett Jr. And the kid child.

[Dave Anthony]

So when a hustler meets a hustler,

[Gareth Reynolds]

why don't you hustle somebody?

[Dave Anthony]

I gotta hustle the hustle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's other hustlers that aren't like, there's a rule.

[Dave Anthony]

There's a rule. If you find. If you come across a hustler with a great rack, you gotta hustle them out of their pants.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, she's like, okay,

[Dave Anthony]

I gotta

[Gareth Reynolds]

go her to get her money, you understand?

[Dave Anthony]

I gotta the money out of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't understand.

[Dave Anthony]

He.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Greg's gonna fuck her.

[Dave Anthony]

So he talks Kathleen into eloping with him to Vegas where he got her so drunk that he was able to convince her that they had gotten married.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that. That's like. That's like shitty hustling.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We got married and I now get all your. Hey, hey.

[Dave Anthony]

Then he vanished on her with her credit cards, her power of attorney and some cash.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he was really doing it?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he did it. And then he used one of her credit cards to rent a plane and fly to the Bahamas.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, are you coming home soon? There's a new part of the plan I didn't tell you about. I bought a plane and I'm going to the Bahamas for a little while. Wait, why?

[Dave Anthony]

I love you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just all part of this whole thing I'm working on right now. This whole thing got a little crazy on me. Okay, hon. Hey, how are the kids? New one out?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

Weeks ago.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, hell yeah. Oh, they got this punch up here. That is so good. So anyway, yeah, I fake eloped with that lady. I got her money. Now I'm in the Bahamas cuz I bought a plane. I'm really excited to come home and. And see you again and meet that new one. All right. H. I love you. Stay back, stay back.

[Dave Anthony]

We're in poverty.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, take care.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're going to love this plane.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, I met a woman up here. I got to take her money. I'm going to marry her. Maybe. Bye. Bye.

[Dave Anthony]

Bye. We eat mostly beans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm hanging up.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. In the Caribbean, he met another dashing young con man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, con man. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Roger Peterson and they partner. And so They're. They're basically their way through the island's lady tourists.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And then at a jewelry store where Garrett was buying some jewels for his actual wife on his fake wife's credit card.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Can I just be honest?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is nice that he actually likes this first wife still and that it's a little bit occupational.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, yeah, he could have totally bailed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, yeah, he could. It could have been a con, but he. But clearly he's, like, out of his tits. But he is basically like, oh, man, I'm gonna get Susan something nice from here. Hey, when was the last time you talked to her? It's been months.

[Dave Anthony]

So he used his fake wife's credit card to buy his real life some jewels, but the shop owner refused him. She's like. She senses something was off, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's her deal? I don't know what's off.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, I don't know the name.

[Gareth Reynolds]

One thing this guy did that was weird.

[Dave Anthony]

Now he takes this as just the most horrible offense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he's clutching pearls.

[Dave Anthony]

She didn't let him have impulsively decided that he couldn't buy the jewels, so he's just gonna take them. If you can't buy them, take them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sloppy crime.

[Dave Anthony]

He wants these for his wife.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sloppy crime.

[Dave Anthony]

So he waltzed into the store with his gun out and calmly had the shopkeeper fill up a bag.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See, this is sloppy.

[Dave Anthony]

This is how you do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Most of his other things are longer con.

[Dave Anthony]

This is how you do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Except for the grocery store stuff and breaking out his friend and a bunch of stuff before that. But still, he had the eloquence across the country.

[Dave Anthony]

Robbing gas stations.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yeah, okay, but he. I feel like he graduated to something new when he eloped with that lady.

[Dave Anthony]

He was bank robbing in Canada, like a series of banks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm saying he's gotten better. Why is he resorting to this?

[Dave Anthony]

He escaped from the cops by hopping in his partner's running car and speeding straight to a plane. And took off as the cops arrived at the tarmac. His plane. The plan he rented.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

He evaded the FBI and Miami police by performing a daring landing on an abandoned airstrip, literally under the radar.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hell, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And they hopped in a cab and took it all the way to Orlando, which. Why would you ever go to Orlando? Literally the worst.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The worst cops ain't going there.

[Dave Anthony]

It's the worst.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nobody's going there. No, no. There's worse ones.

[Dave Anthony]

I just so disagree.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Orlando's trash, but

[Dave Anthony]

Orlando's like, what if meth was a city?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, Florida's. If meth was a state. There's a lot of stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

But the rest of Florida isn't in the middle. At least the rest of Florida has, like. Oh, well, there's ocean.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I. There are parts of Florida that I'm. I'm okay with. There are, but the Orlando, you're right, is. It's trash.

[Dave Anthony]

Then he got on multiple flights and ended up back in LA, where they fenced the hall for around $20,000 each and kept the best jewels for themselves.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So that's a good. That's a good little run.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, he's got a wife and two kids in Mexico.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I think they're in la. In la.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, over the next two weeks, Garrett went back to Nassau posing as a film producer to get girls onto a rented yacht. Okay, well, what are you gonna do? This is what you do. He. He was in. In. In the Bahamas. He sees yachts. He's like, I should be on a yacht with girls. Why?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just because he wants to be with girls?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes. What would you do?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, I'd probably tell the woman that I was with that, hey, I. I'm not. I think maybe you should move on with your life because I'm gonna be a real anchor for your heart.

[Dave Anthony]

That's insane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Honey. I gotta go on a boat and convince him I'm a film producer for money for it.

[Dave Anthony]

So he. He captains the yacht through a deadly storm. He seduces.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Girls are like when we just get

[Dave Anthony]

to go in the harbor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone hold on tight.

[Dave Anthony]

He seduced young southern debutante. He compared himself to Captain Bly when captaining the yacht.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm a lot like Captain Bly.

[Dave Anthony]

I've done that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm like Captain Lie.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what you do when you're captaining it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm very much a Captain Bly type.

[Dave Anthony]

Just like the way he would compare himself to Charles Lindbergh when he was flying.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

He ended up being caught again on the island for using a bogus credit card. And he barely escaped by posing as a doctor with an emergency glide. He had to get back to the States to treat. That's the crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No doctors near where my patient is.

[Dave Anthony]

That's truly just the most.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me. Out of the way. I'm a doctor.

[Dave Anthony]

I have to get home and can't arrest me. There's a man whose kidneys coming out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I have to take out one of my patients gallbladders at once.

[Dave Anthony]

He ends up marrying the debutante. Now he was, he did that because he wants to hide out from the feds. And he's going to do it by being in the world of Southern aristocracy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Babe, good news. I think I'm actually safe for a minute. I had to make some really, really quick adjustments. I, I, I've been crushing, by the way.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, so we have. Can you send some money? Well, please. We're eating beans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I will soon. Oh, sure. My new wife is.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm sorry, wait, what? Some, the Vegas, the Vegas girl.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Vegas girl. Who's that?

[Dave Anthony]

The girl that you took her credit cards.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That was a fake elope. That was a fake alope.

[Dave Anthony]

You didn't marry her?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think. I, I don't remember. I'm pretty sure I didn't. But I got her credit card and that's what got me to the Bahamas. And then I my way through that island.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now I'm married to a.

[Dave Anthony]

When you your way through the island?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Completely. Completely. And, but, but I left. I left for. I left because I love you, as a matter of fact. You selfish time suck. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Honey, honey, honey, honey.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a terrible nickname.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The reason why I, the reason why. Hold on. Okay, I had to leave the Bahamas because I robbed the jewelry store.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because they wouldn't let me buy you jewelry on the woman who I was in Vegas's credit card.

[Dave Anthony]

Have some money, please.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm getting there. So then. Remember when I went out on that boat? Yeah. I had to go out on that boat with all those women.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I just, and sucked my way through that, that vessel. But no, no, no. But then I, I, then the FBI caught up to me and thinking of you the whole time, I married one of the Southern debutantes. Now the FBI don't know what's going on. And so I'm gonna make it back to you and our one child very soon. Two children and, and figure this all out. But for now, I gotta lay low with my new wife, who's awesome, by the way, and reminds me a lot of you. That's just really hot and really young. Yeah, I'm gonna go.

[Dave Anthony]

Because when you told me I love

[Gareth Reynolds]

you and I'm gonna go, he said this. I'm gonna go. And I love you. And I gotta run, but I love you also.

[Dave Anthony]

The crimes are committing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We should have a lot of fun soon once this all settles down. I'm really excited to, to settle down with you. All right? So enjoy Mexico.

[Dave Anthony]

Can we go away on a vacation?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We are on a vacation. You Kidding me? You should see this chick I'm banging. She's at 10. All right, honey.

[Dave Anthony]

I just need beans, though, for food.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm gonna pretend I didn't hear that because that really pisses me off.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, Bye.

[Dave Anthony]

All right, bye. I love you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

I love you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

I love you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I heard you.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Later. Crikey.

[Dave Anthony]

So her father owned a big factory. It was an elder statesman in the society scene. Garrett easily charmed them. He learned how to waltz as a boy in Panama. So that he just needed that and his big charm to get in. Right. He told the family he was in real estate, and a few weekends a month, he would go out of town on business, which meant robbing a bank in Canada.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Man.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, this is. This guy's life is insane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He need, like, the fix. There's no drug that can give you this.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This heart palpitation.

[Dave Anthony]

So Garrett and Roger flew up once a month. Garrick, like, he. Garrett like robbing Canadian banks because the tellers were more docile.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Followers of orders than the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Would you like money orders, too?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The Americans are not like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We also have some traveler checks.

[Dave Anthony]

American clerks go, you know, cowboy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Just pull a gun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So Garrett robbed millions of dollars in travelers checks and cash from at least a half a dozen banks, working his way up to number one on the Royal Mounted Police's most wanted list.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, he's.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, we're going for this guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

He's. This guy's really.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This guy's an absolute.

[Dave Anthony]

He's the Wayne Gretzky of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's an absolute terror. Not been invented yet. They ain't invented Gretzky just yet.

[Dave Anthony]

Gaudy Howe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's closer.

[Dave Anthony]

They called themselves Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. And copyright infringement as far as all the others.

[Dave Anthony]

Very cocky. Wow. But also, that doesn't end well.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I believe it did. Or the Bonnie and Clyde.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett signed one hold up note to Butch Cassidy. They would later tell a reporter they were doing the real thing while Newman and Redford were, quote, just acting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. That was a movie. Huh? So when you say you're the real deal. They were acting. Right. But you're also. It's not them.

[Dave Anthony]

But it's also based on real people. So.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So you're really doing it right. Which makes you an actor to their story.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think that's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. But this is a terrible.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Anyway, here's a million dollars.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you.

[Dave Anthony]

Still, he's bored.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What does he want? He needs to go to space.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he feels stuck in Southern high society because he's married and he's with a family. Well, you know, you know, her family.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's he man. Work so demanding. I miss my wife. The real one.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he comes clean to his Southern wife that he's a bank robber.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How do you even start this? Honey, there's something I got to tell you.

[Dave Anthony]

Exactly like that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm married to three different people. I have gone to court. I created a guy named Greg Ross, who I blamed at all, all on. I was in the Bahamas, Robin, when I bought the yacht. Started porking you. But I already got a wife and two kids now Pizza Hut.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't think he comes again about the wife and two kids. But I bet he's like, I'm a bank. I bet he does it by crying.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And being like, I'm so stressed out,

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know what I've done.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, totally. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm so lost in my own son.

[Dave Anthony]

I want to be good and you make me good.

[Guest/Character Actor]

You're the reason I need the death

[Gareth Reynolds]

tell you and you can fix me

[Dave Anthony]

how you make me want to live and be straight.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Sometimes it's so hard to be made no.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Like what? What?

[Guest/Character Actor]

What's the note?

[Dave Anthony]

Why?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, baby, don't you know it's so hard.

[Guest/Character Actor]

I'm aware.

[Dave Anthony]

She of course, is in love with.

[Guest/Character Actor]

There's a full moon.

[Dave Anthony]

She's in love with him. And no matter what, she's sticking by him.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Right. Nice. Well, it make me so happy, baby

[Dave Anthony]

to turn up the temperature. He'd bring her to Montreal where she'd stay in the hotel while he robbed banks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, Back in a little bit.

[Dave Anthony]

Then they'd on a giant pile of money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't hate it. Once on top of a valet money. But it wasn't enough. There's a couple fives in here. Once on and it was j. I was jacking off.

[Dave Anthony]

Once on top, about a million dollars in cash.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Wow,

[Dave Anthony]

that's pretty good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is great.

[Dave Anthony]

But the itch, Gareth, the itch. What is he.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What does he want?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he's doing riskier and riskier things

[Gareth Reynolds]

and eventually jam a plane up my ass.

[Dave Anthony]

Eventually, it ends up in him robbing a bank that was being watched by the cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dude, he's just out of control.

[Dave Anthony]

And he is arrested. Roger gets away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Huh? Roger was probably like, dude, do you want to like.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. What are you doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Call 91 1.

[Dave Anthony]

Roger, come over to the room. I'm gonna my wife on top of this money and you're gonna watch, the

[Gareth Reynolds]

cops are gonna watch, and I'm gonna confess to everything.

[Dave Anthony]

But something odd happens once Garrett is in cuffs. He said he didn't feel bad. He finally felt free.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Free.

[Dave Anthony]

When he's caught, he's got him behind his back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When he. When he's caught, he feels alive. Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

Free of lies and deceit. Free of the world that he built around himself. The artificial fake world of lies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I bet there is something nice about that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, there probably is. He was treated like a celebrity by the Mounties. Like the. Like the John Dillinger of Canada. Like, this guy's the one. Bank manager even stopped by to see him, telling the press, quote, I must say, he was a perfect gentleman in my bank.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's very nice.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Very.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, that's a compliment.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's no mask when he robs either. It doesn't sound like it. Why would there be the seventies? Yeah, he was. Well, and also for him, he was just like, here's my name. I'm in room 502.

[Dave Anthony]

So, claiming that he is insane, he was sent to a brand new maximum security mental hospital near Montreal. And there he made a daring escape that involved a 1968 Mustang, a toy gun, and taking both a tiny warden and beautiful secretary hostage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tiny warden.

[Dave Anthony]

Tiny warden.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, wait a minute.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm the water to this place. Look down, you son of a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, wait a minute. You ain't gonna get out here on that.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're gonna be on that. There's rules.

[Dave Anthony]

I can't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The first one was. Can you.

[Dave Anthony]

Can you speak up or, I don't know, stand up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm saying. Dr. Powder's fault.

[Dave Anthony]

How'd you get this job?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think I understand. I don't mind. Well, my dad, he pretty big name and he was there.

[Dave Anthony]

Did I see you in Barham and Bailey's circus? Were you the littlest man? Did you go to sleep again?

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he takes a secretary.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, so he. He post. Roger posed as a lawyer and gave.

[Gareth Reynolds]

These two are like.

[Dave Anthony]

And came in and Jordan. They are. And he gave Garrett the toy gun.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, I'm his lawyer. He can have a pistol. Oh, okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And the prison secretary was also hired by Roger. And they get out and they speed for the border with hospital.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So they got the fake secretary. Yeah, he just was like. And also, this is Sheila. She works here now.

[Dave Anthony]

It might be a different secretary. I might be confused about that.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

But unfortunately, just after he let the hostages go near Syracuse, he bumped into them again at the bus station.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whoa. What are the odds?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, My God. I thought that was you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

You were the guy who just took us hostage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I am sorry. What a small world.

[Dave Anthony]

My apologies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Where did he go? Oh, my God. I stepped on him. Well, better put him out of his misery.

[Guest/Character Actor]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

So he. He was trying to hit the Western Union up for a money wire, and the guard hostage had just flagged down a cop. And Garrett was arrested again. This time he was sent to Miami to face charges for his dozens of crimes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I don't know why we should put a guy that gets easily stimulated by his surroundings and. And always wants to participate in crimes and sometimes drugs. Let's put him in Miami.

[Dave Anthony]

That totaled up to 17 million in stolen money, checks, and jewels.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

But with his record of insanity.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Remember Susan?

[Dave Anthony]

Get back to her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, yeah, he's got it. So they're like, well, he's clearly crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The FBI sends him to a shrink first because he has a history of insanity.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have I ever told you about Greg?

[Dave Anthony]

Greg Ross rises up again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who's Greg?

[Dave Anthony]

Meet Greg. Garrett said it was all. By the way, Greg has two G's on the end. Yeah, of course he does, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, he likes money.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett said it was all Greg. And Garrett played the shrink like a fiddle and ended up walking out of prison scot free after three months.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Take that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You quote.

[Dave Anthony]

Life was exactly as he came to believe. Nothing really mattered and nobody really cared.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is like he. We are all in his simulation.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So there's really. Why would you not do this? Yeah, I mean, he's, like, walking around like. He's like, Neo.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He can't be stopped.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he can't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They.

[Dave Anthony]

He just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So what would he do? You know what I mean? He's gonna just, like, jack off while eating breakfast in a Denny's and be like, what are you gonna do, put me in jail? I'll get out. It's Groundhog Day. But I know two GS.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, I get. Okay, so he's saying he's this Greg Ross guy, but he's committed so many crimes now, he'd be like. Well, actually, both you and Greg. You and Greg have to be locked up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, look, unfortunately, Greg is taking the steering wheel of the a little too much of the project a little too often. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Greg's in you a lot now.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Wait a minute.

[Dave Anthony]

No, that's not Greg.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, that's not Greg. Greg. I'm not saying that's Greg.

[Dave Anthony]

And that's not you either.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know. There's a third. Why Jimmy Stewart, the actor also Lives in me. He's the moral compass. Greg's the bad guy. This is what it goes like a lot. Hey, let's rob a bank and marry a debutante.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Now, wait a minute, Greg. You're not gonna get away with that again.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus Christ. Nonetheless, Garrett pressed on. Now that he was free of the fear of being caught, he no longer needed. Needed to sit with his back against the wall at restaurants. He planned out a life on the straight and narrow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Huh.

[Dave Anthony]

Going clean, baby. He stayed in a $40 a night Miami hotel and often had a thousand dollars in his pocket. He used his stolen loot to marry a gorgeous Canadian nurse from the maximum security loony bin. So he fell. So this guy must be charming and stuff. That's one of the reasons that he can con people, is he's clearly charming as.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. Is he handsome?

[Dave Anthony]

He's got to be. I don't know. He's got to be. He bought a mega yacht with the help of a buddy in Los Angeles, and he used it to charter the Elites and lease a marina in Miami that he'd fix up and start raking in the dough. And it worked.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, he doesn't need any money.

[Dave Anthony]

It worked for a day. It's not a long time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All you need.

[Dave Anthony]

The yacht company had pulled the fast one. They robbed the robber. They claimed Garrett had stolen the yacht and no payment had gone down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ooh.

[Dave Anthony]

Pretty good, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

The company owner vanished. His car was found two days later at the Miami International Airport.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is the only thing that can get Greg get Garrett high at this point. I bet.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's just like, oh, yeah, I need to find this. Yes. Hell, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett told the judge the money he used to buy the yacht was from a buddy who owned brothels in Mexico.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's just amazing. So what are you saying? He ripped me off. Off? I took all the sex worker money that he got. He called them jizz pesos. And I brought those to pay that guy, and he ripped me the fuck off. Also, I invented a guy named Greg who ain't even real. Now, wait. There's a third person who could talk to you? Unless you rule in my favor.

[Dave Anthony]

No, I know.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Now, wait a minute.

[Dave Anthony]

No. Okay. Guilty. Execution.

[Guest/Character Actor]

You can't call me. The whole system's on trial.

[Dave Anthony]

With Garrett's record, the judge almost had no choice but to rule in favor of the company. This became big news when the marina company found out the real story of who they've been doing business with, and they booted Garrett out. So now, Gareth, he's pissed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He told the reporter, quote, I'm through playing it straight.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I tried to straighten out for about 14 hours. I got fist now. I'm back. Greg's back, baby.

[Dave Anthony]

Watch out, Canada, of course, because at this point, he had been arrested for major crimes over 20 times and served a total of two years. So now he becomes obsessed with his own death.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

He's pulling robberies that were beyond risky, not caring at all if he's caught longing for a shootout with police.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, that's a great way to live.

[Dave Anthony]

Honestly, he can't take the fact that he got bested.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

It's making him insane, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Making him.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he was fine before that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's true.

[Dave Anthony]

He can't eat, he can't sleep. He thought. He just thinks about ending his own life. That's all he's thinking about in, in the most spectacular way. Not like, like a Garrett way. He's got to go out big. Then he caught a headline. A man from Brockton, his hometown, the one named after his family, had hijacked a plane and after landing it, was killed in a gun battle with the feds. And so Garrett is like, I have my way out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's pretty good.

[Dave Anthony]

That is great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And the year wise, we're in the 70s. This is when hijacking.

[Dave Anthony]

This is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There was a hijacking era. This was nuts. This is it, right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

People don't. I, I, I. It was probably right around maybe right before I was born, or right around there, where it was like, hijackings were very common.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God. It was all the time in the early 70s. It was like. It's like how you got to Vegas. He taped his Walther pistol below his elbow and built a fake cast around

[Gareth Reynolds]

it, making it the fake cast. Also a big player back then.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, let him go. His leg's broken.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God. There's nine swords.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

He takes a cab to full body cast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, go ahead, sir. Okay. That's how I got $40 million worth of cocaine across the border.

[Dave Anthony]

So he takes a cab to LAX and he walks right up to the TWA desk and body. One way ticket to New York in cash.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

In his seat, he asked the flight attendant for a stationary kit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A stationary kit, writing. Oh, right, right, right.

[Dave Anthony]

Imagine when they had that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. God.

[Dave Anthony]

May I have a stationary kid, please?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely.

[Dave Anthony]

Journaling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone's riding on this flight. It's one of the best ways to make the time go. Now, would you like to plug in your headphones and listen to one of the two radio stations we provide.

[Dave Anthony]

No, thank you. I'm going to stare at the back of the seat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okie dokie. That'll be six hours until we're where we're going.

[Dave Anthony]

Perfect. He wrote, quote, you are being hijacked.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are being. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Act naturally and lead the way to the cabin.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Act naturally and read. Oh, so what is that, a little story you're writing?

[Dave Anthony]

I have a pistol and there is a bomb in the aircraft.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who is this from?

[Dave Anthony]

The first person. Po. Jesus Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So what is this?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a note. I'm hijacking the plane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And the character, it's for you.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not a character. Take the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The story resonates with me as if

[Dave Anthony]

it's me writing it to you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A couple of reasons. No, the character is a strong choice, which I really like from my mains. It's just a pov. I think you're getting to the action too quickly. So maybe if you start to lay the foundation a little bit.

[Dave Anthony]

Who is this guy?

[Gareth Reynolds]

How did this start? Where is he from? I'll bring you over some. Some supper.

[Dave Anthony]

Blow it up the plane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You can think about it a little bit more.

[Dave Anthony]

He tore off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Captain, this man is a story he'd like to read you.

[Dave Anthony]

He tore off his cat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Needs some work work.

[Dave Anthony]

Tore off his cast and showed the stewardess the note. And she, trembling, walked him to the cabin where he pulled out his pistol. It's real now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, wait. And then also, like, where are we going? Where we were going before. I just want to die. When we land,

[Dave Anthony]

Withers are the most cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

The captain had been in the situation before as hijacking happened to me last week. They're fad. I mean, they're literally a fad. And so he's calm and he complies with Garrett's requests. So with the gun in hand, he says, quote, gentlemen, I don't want to use this. I'd rather not even hold it. If you will give your word of honor that you will not do anything foolish, I'll put it back in my belt. It will be handy, but it won't be dangerous.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And they agreed. They're like, yeah, okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You know it better than the gun pointed at me. Yeah, yeah. So he's patched into a landline on the ground and he gives his demands. He wanted to talk to the President.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is a.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a good one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a great first one.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very good, by the way. Any list should start with that.

[Dave Anthony]

Get me Tricky Dick. He wanted.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, you hold on there.

[Dave Anthony]

He wanted $306,800. You're confused.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

That was the exact amount that he was ripped off in the yacht deal.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's obsessed.

[Dave Anthony]

He's obsessed with the. The yacht deal. The yacht deal has sent him spinning.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, man.

[Dave Anthony]

He got bested by himself very easily, too. Yeah. He also wants George Padilla released from prison, and he wants Angela Davis freed from all charges.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And while we have you on the phone, you want to see your wife and two kids.

[Dave Anthony]

What? Which.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, Susan. You have Susan from LA? Garrett Jr. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I don't think they should see me like this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That. We're probably gonna kill you at the airport.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah. So then they shouldn't be there. Actually.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Actually, yeah, let's have him there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

That might be good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Yeah. And by the way, the President's on the phone.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, Tricky Dick.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello.

[Dave Anthony]

God damn it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's this all about?

[Dave Anthony]

So he. With all this action going on, he suddenly doesn't feel depressed anymore. Like, he's like, yeah, yeah. Life, baby. So they landed JFK to refuel, hoping to fly to a country in Europe with good extradition laws.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's where they're looking to fly him, I think. So they're refueling in jfk, so they're going to be grounded. They all know he's doing this. And then they're going to fly to Europe, and the FBI is like, take him to France because the extradition laws there. Okay, yeah. Are appealing. Instead of like, hey, he's at jfk. Should we get him? No, no, no. Fly him to France, then we'll get him.

[Dave Anthony]

Then we got him. But the. The FBI is stalling him. Him. And he made the choice to give up his own leverage by releasing the hostages on the plane because it was the noble thing to do. So he's going to do the suicide thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

But first, he ordered that they all get as many drinks as they wanted on the house.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

Let's party.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Before I let you all go, let's have a few cocktails.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's dance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I met a woman. I really like her. It's awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

The FBI connected him to a shrink he'd spoken to a couple years before to further stall him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Greg, I know it's you, and I need to talk to you. This is Dr. Shapiro, and this is

[Dave Anthony]

Dr. Jenkins, and I need to talk to Garrett.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, there's only one.

[Dave Anthony]

Who is this?

[Guest/Character Actor]

My name's. Well, heck, my name's James, but sometimes I get forgotten in this little story.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I wish you were, actually. Yeah, but I get that we don't have another. Nobody wants to talk to you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold on.

[Dave Anthony]

I'll be quiet now. Be quiet.

[Guest/Character Actor]

I'm trying to.

[Dave Anthony]

Devastating.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Trying to get a.

[Dave Anthony]

Try to get a story out about devastatingly intrusive. You make no sense.

[Guest/Character Actor]

I make all that now. How dare you say that to us, A man like me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Never.

[Guest/Character Actor]

I'm a guy who even hijacked us.

[Dave Anthony]

This little jumbo jet here.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Ever ended in death.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Oh, I got. Well, probably the best way for this one. And if you ask me,

[Dave Anthony]

the shrink asked Garrett why he was doing this quote. Well, Dr. Hubbard, I can tell you why. These guys take planes out of this damn country. I'll tell you right now, and I hope the whole damn world is listening. These correctional institutions and rehabilitation centers, they don't even try to correct anybody. They don't build anything. They don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How dare he.

[Dave Anthony]

They don't build character and they don't build judgment.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How dare he? How dare he indict the mental health system?

[Dave Anthony]

The system is on trial.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's done his. Mocked it and taken advantage of it because he can.

[Dave Anthony]

Because. And you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And you know what? That is kind of, I guess, what he's saying, but it's also the idea that he's sitting here going like, rehab

[Dave Anthony]

doesn't work, but this is Trump. When he's just like, yeah, yeah, of course I paid off politicians because everything's corrupt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, of course I cheated on my taxes. That's how I got here. But you shouldn't be allowed to.

[Dave Anthony]

You rob a man of five years of his life, and he comes back in a society without having left anything for himself. Let me tell you something. More people die for the system than die in Vietnam. I mean, he's right.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

He's right about that.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett agreed to switch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Vietnam thing really tripped up a lot of their stuff. It's really unfortunate.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Garrett agreed to switch out of the crew for out. Switch out the crew for fresh bodies who are ready to fly internationally.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just all a bunch of clear FBI agents. Yeah. Hi, I'm Dolores.

[Dave Anthony]

As they entered the plane, Garrett had the co pilot check them one by one for weapons. And the captain arrived, then the co pilot, then an engineer. Something's off about that engineer. The engineer's uniform had three stripes, which is a captain's uniform. And Garrett knew in the moment that this was an FBI plot to kill him. How.

[Gareth Reynolds]

First of all, adept he is at this. And how stupid is the FBI? Well, put an engineer in a captain's

[Dave Anthony]

outfit, they're pretty stupid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

It was too late. The fake engineer pulled the gun and shot Garrett through the hand, the arm and the neck. And he crumpled to the ground. His last words, that yacht guy, the last words he heard were, quote, pull down his pants so he can't run away.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

That was with the FBI. Yelled, pull down his pants so he can't run away.

[Guest/Character Actor]

And while you're down there, well, it looks like it's all curtains for old Garrett.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett survived.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Die.

[Dave Anthony]

And then he went through a grueling trial. Garrett's defense was that he had not been the hijacker. The hijacker was Greg Ross.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We gotta get Greg out of me by any means.

[Dave Anthony]

The prosecution conspired with the judge. They use phony doctors as experts, and they totally overplayed their hands. So they up royally. And the feds got to George Padilla, and he testified for the prosecution for a lighter sentence. So his little.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Testified for the prosecution or the defense?

[Dave Anthony]

George Padilla turned and prosecuted for and testified for the prosecution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay,

[Dave Anthony]

so in a miracle, one single juror smelled something fishy about the way the government was handling the case.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We gotta have one of these guys everywhere.

[Dave Anthony]

She was a sweet old lady.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think he did it.

[Dave Anthony]

And she was viciously harassed by the other jurors for taking her principled stand.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, he didn't do it. It's that evil, Greg.

[Dave Anthony]

And she held on and a mistrial was declared.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, this is so bad for him.

[Dave Anthony]

Turns out this is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is Fight Club. He's been shot in the throat. He's invented alter egos, and he just. It's his simulation. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

It turns out six days before, Garrett had told the reporter it would be a mistrial and said the same lady who held out would hold out. So he was working her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What, like eye contact wise. He was just like, oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

It seemed as though he would walk yet again. But not if Richard Nixon had anything to do with it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, the it is Crime and Punishment.

[Dave Anthony]

1972, and Tricky Dick is running for reelection. And all about law and order. Law and order got to be law and order.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Without law, there's no order.

[Dave Anthony]

With.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, I'm an alcoholic eating cream cheese all day.

[Dave Anthony]

The government was also worried. If he could get away with the hijacking by pleading Greg Ross, it would lead to more hijackings of people saying that they.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, to be fair, Richard Nixon far more out of his Mind than Gary It.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The government quickly went about a retrial and found him guilty. He got life in prison. Even when it was found out that a w witness was lying, that Garrett had uncovered a prior family history of mental institutionalization which would have helped his insanity case. The government refused to hear an appeal, and Garrett Trapna was finally put away in prison. In 1976, writer Elliot Asimov published the book the Fox is Crazy to the True Story of Garrett Trapnel. Adventure, Skyjacker, bank robber, con man. Barbara Oswald, 42, read the book. She also watched him on 60 Minutes when Garrett said he was fascinated by the story of Papillon, a French prisoner who escaped from Devil's Island. So she went to see him in prison and immediately fell in love with him. A month later, she attempted to hijack a helicopter to free Garrett from prison.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's airborne, it's contagious, whatever.

[Dave Anthony]

Marion, Illinois.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

She was shot to death during the attempt. Garrett was convicted a few.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So jealous. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett was convicted a few months later for attempting to escape. Barbara's daughter, 17, a cheerleader named Robin, dropped out of high school. Friends said she then met with Garrett and they exchanged letters. The next month, on December 21, 1978, Robin Oswald boarded a TWA DC9. And after takeoff, she stood up and said she had a bomb and would blow up the plane and the 87 passengers if Garrett Brock Trapnell was not free. The plane landed in Kansas City, where Robin and the FBI negotiated for 10 hours until she surrendered. She was arrested. It was not dynamite, but road flares with a doorbell attached.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, equally bad.

[Dave Anthony]

Garrett spent the last 20 years of his life in prison, quote, where he read, wrote, painted and studied Swahili, German and Italian. He died in 1993 of emphysema. Even though it had landed him several 30 day stints in the hole, he never once ratted out his former accomplices.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fuck, man. Fuck. Can you imagine getting a mother daughter hijack combo that is like, oh, that is nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

Josh Androsky did this. And then I just happened to be looking at newspaper stories and I was

[Gareth Reynolds]

like, Josh, the mother daughter.

[Dave Anthony]

You're not going to believe what I found. I go, at the end, there's a mother daughter combo that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That whole story is absolutely insane.

[Dave Anthony]

It's bananas, but it's so like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

It's so like that time period, like where you could just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Just go wild.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. No, it's like being a crypto bandit now.

[Dave Anthony]

This book is not for sale anywhere. I had to Find a used copy and pay a ton of money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why? Because it should motivate all of us to get out there.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, right. I. I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, blame Greg Ross. I mean, that should be like the anonymous mask of that. It'd just be like, Greg Ross.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, how is this not on Kindle?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, how is this not a miniseries?

[Dave Anthony]

Right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. We talk about pitching show.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, this is prime Source. The Fox is crazy too. The true story of Garrett Shrapnel, Adventure, skyjacker, bank robber, con man and lover, by Elliot Asinoff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, he was a love. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Fort Lauderdale News, New York Times, Associated Press, and the Lakeland Ledger.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Man, oh, man, that is. That is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Isn't that crazy?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, everybody loses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. I don't know. He kind of won.

[Dave Anthony]

He did win.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And you know, there is another character that won.

[Dave Anthony]

Would you. I'm going to ignore that. Would you. Would you rather live a. A brief life of just total chaotic fun?

[Gareth Reynolds]

A burnout or fade away?

[Dave Anthony]

15 years of total chaotic fun or a long life of boring?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I love boring, but honestly. Let's go.

[Dave Anthony]

I think I would take the chaotic fun. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It all ends at the same place. It's all dirt anyway, eventually.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry about that, but yeah, it is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're worm food eventually.

[Dave Anthony]

Anyway. I'm not gonna be worm food.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are special going to be worm food. As a matter of fact, I put pin worms in your soda already. Worm food.

[Guest/Character Actor]

Well, we'll see y' all later.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, what's up, doll heads? This is Gareth Reynolds from the Doll up, the podcast you're listening to. Hey, I've got some very exciting information. If you like movies and you're in the San Jose area, I made a movie. It's called Give it Up and it will be at the Cinequest Film Festival. You can go to GiveItUpFilm.com for tickets and information. It'll be March 15th is the main screening, so go to GiveItUpFilm.Com also if you like stand up comedy. February 4th, I'll be in Spokane. February 5th, Bend, Oregon. Then I'll be in Portland. February 6th and February 7th. Three shows that night. Then I'll be at flappers in Burbank. February 21, Bakersfield, February 27 for two shows. I will be in Albuquerque, New Mexico. April 19, Tulsa, Oklahoma, April 21, Bricktown comedy in Oklahoma City. April 22, Dallas, Texas. April 23, Tyler, Texas, April 24. Finally, Houston. April 25, two shows. Austin at the Great Cap City. April 26 and then San Antonio April 28 and Tucson April 29. Garethreynolds.com for tickets and information, but also if you want to go see my movie and you're in the san jose area giveitupfilm.com.