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Summary

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The Dollop Episode 730 - The O’Connor Layover (Live)

Podcast: The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

Episode: 730 - The O'Connor Layover (Live)
Date: April 21, 2026
Summary by: [Your Name]

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Dollop dives into one of American history’s most surreal and semi-comedic criminal experiments: the O’Connor Layover Agreement in St. Paul, Minnesota. Spanning several decades, this "deal with the devil" allowed criminals to live openly in St. Paul as long as they promised not to commit crimes within city limits. Through irreverent banter and historical detail, Dave Anthony lays out the history while Gareth Reynolds reacts with incredulity, jokes, and wild tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins of St. Paul and its Colorful Past (02:30 – 05:24)

• The city of St. Paul was originally called "Pig’s Eye," after early French settler Pierre “Pig’s Eye” Parrant, who had a notably odd eye.
  • "No one messes with Pig's Eye, Minnesota." (Gareth, 03:15)
• The name was changed after the first church was built, moving from an outlaw image to a more pious one.
• St. Paul became a thriving hub along the Mississippi River—“Jobs, jobs, jobs,” Dave quips, referencing the city’s rapid expansion.

2. Boomtown Crime and Vice in St. Paul (04:08 – 12:06)

• The population explosion brought a spike in vice: brothels, saloons, gambling.
  • In 1880, police counted 7 brothels and 242 saloons.
  • Minneapolis, though larger, had “half as many brothels and 70 fewer saloons.” (Dave, 06:42)
• Quote from a contemporary source paints a lurid picture of nightly violence and sin in the city.
• The Irish—once under 10% of the population—made up 35% of arrests for “drunkenness and fighting.” Cops disproportionately targeted immigrants and Black residents.
• Vice regulation was often quasi-official: monthly fines on brothels essentially operated as a “tax” and covered half the police court’s revenues.

3. John J. "The Big Fellow" O’Connor Takes Charge (12:22 – 16:30)

• John J. O’Connor becomes police chief after a new mayor fires the entire police force.
• O’Connor, 6'3" and “smart—big for his time,” is described as:
  • “To St. Paul what Scotland Yard is to London. Oh, he was a cop. He’s Sherlock.” (13:03)
• His brother, Dick “The Cardinal” O’Connor, becomes police commissioner. Their tight control is based on both influence and charisma.

4. Redefining Crime: The O'Connor Layover System (16:13 – 22:41)

• O’Connor’s solution to crime wasn’t enforcement, but a deal: criminals could lay over in St. Paul as long as they did not commit crimes there.
  • "It was like an honor system for the dishonorable." (Gareth, 22:59)
• Criminals had to register and pay off the police. If they broke the rules, they were kicked out—often after a stern talking-to or a beating from O'Connor himself.

Notable Quote

• “If they behave themselves, I left them alone. If they didn't, I got them. Under other administrations, there were as many thieves here as there are now, but they pillaged and robbed. I chose the lesser of two evils.” (O'Connor, cited by Dave, 22:41)

5. Era of the Dapper Dan Organization (26:08 – 47:07)

• After the first crook liaison "Reddy" Griffin dies, Dapper Dan Hogan becomes the key underworld fixer.
  • “Dapper Dan turned the Green Lantern Saloon into the hub of St. Paul crime.” (Dave, 27:25)
• Dapper Dan outsmarts the Secret Service, and has political cover thanks to local Democratic Party bosses (30:06 – 31:13).
• The first car bombing in America kills Dapper Dan (46:14), likely orchestrated by his ambitious protégé, Harry Sawyer.

6. St. Paul: "The Vegas of the Midwest" (34:42 – 36:00 & 35:09 – 36:14)

• In the 1920s/30s, St. Paul becomes a playground for famous gangsters and entertainers.
  • “They had huge acts like Duke Ellington and Cab Calloway...and you could hang with famous gangsters and feel safe, because there was no crime in the city.” (Dave, 35:09)
• The system’s logic: organized crime managed through “organized intelligence” instead of force.

7. Downfall: Kidnappings & the Barker-Karpis Gang (75:54 – 98:34)

• Ma Barker and her sons—with criminal partner Alvin “Creepy” Karpis—raise the stakes with big bank jobs and a string of high-profile kidnappings.
• Victims include the heirs to Minnesota's brewing fortunes (Ham and Schmidt families), with one even remarking the kidnappers were “very nice to me” and complimenting their cooking (83:11).
• The new target: "fat boys"—wealthy elites and bank heirs, bringing unwanted federal attention.

Memorable Moment

• “When we start to pick on the fat boys, then people get alarmed. When a fat boy is threatened, he will get action.” (Dave quoting a reporter, 87:11)

8. The Rise of the FBI, Forensic Science, and the End of the System (93:10 – 98:30)

• New forensic methods—silver nitrate fingerprinting—help crack the kidnapping cases.
  • “The process of using fingerprints elevated the status of the FBI from dorks who needed cops to America’s greatest detectives.” (Dave, 94:44)
• The Barker-Karpis gang attempts fingerprint removal surgery, which fails (95:20).
• Betrayed by local accomplices, the gang is killed or jailed.
• Local business interests, not law enforcement, finally shut down the corrupt police regime.

9. Aftermath and Legacy (98:30 – End)

• “The O’Connor Layover Agreement lasted for 36 years.” (Dave, 98:32)
• Decades of police corruption and conspiratorial enabling allowed criminals a sanctuary, making St. Paul notorious nationwide.
• The system ultimately collapsed from a combination of federal intervention, business backlash, technological progress, and criminal overreach.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Pig’s Eye, the city’s original name:
  “Maybe we go back to Pig’s Eye. Yeah, I went to Pig’s Eye Elementary.”
  (Gareth, 03:25)

• On St. Paul's Vice Economy:
  "Get your fucking brothel game up. Would you fuck already?"
  (Dave & Gareth, 06:58–07:02)

• On the Layover System:
  “It’s an honor system for the dishonorable.”
  (Gareth, 22:59)

• On Dapper Dan vs. the Secret Service:
  “Dapper Dan turned around and put the Secret Service under better surveillance. It spooked the Secret Service and they stopped the investigation.”
  (Dave, 31:07–31:16)

• On St. Paul's "safe" crime-free environment:
  “You want to go hang out with the criminals? And you would just go there to a bar, and you'd be hanging out with gangsters.”
  (Dave, 35:18–35:30)

• On the kidnapping victim William Ham Jr.:
  “They were very nice to me. I asked for anything I wanted and ordered anything I wanted. The meals were good and simple, nothing elaborate, but whoever did the cooking knew their way around the kitchen.”
  (Dave quoting Ham, 83:11)

• On the O'Connor System’s duration:
  “The O’Connor Layover Agreement lasted for 36 years. That is a crazy amount of time.”
  (Dave, 98:30–98:34)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |------|---------| | 02:30 | St. Paul’s origins and name change from Pig’s Eye | | 04:08 | Boomtown vice and social conditions | | 12:22 | John J. O’Connor becomes police chief | | 16:13 | Birth of the O’Connor Layover System | | 26:08 | Introduction of Dapper Dan Hogan | | 34:42 | St. Paul as a criminal Las Vegas | | 46:14 | Death of Dapper Dan – first US car bombing | | 75:54 | Onset of high-profile kidnappings (Barker-Karpis) | | 93:10 | Forensic science helps crack the case | | 98:30 | Final collapse of the O’Connor System |

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Tone & Highlights

• Comedic banter: The episode is suffused with improvisational sketches, sarcastic asides, and absurd hypotheticals (e.g., what if tea sets were the main loot? Or “Cheeto dick” as a frat house prank).
• Memorable live moments: Occasional callbacks to Minneapolis, the audience, pandering for applause (“Pig’s Eye!”), and riffing as famous criminals ("Mr. Gun Kelly") or incompetent police.
• Absurdity of history: The hosts repeatedly point out the bizarre logic (“honor system for the dishonorable,” “Vegas of the Midwest,” “safe haven for gangsters”), highlighting the ludicrousness with modern analogies and running bits.
• Cultural commentary: The discussion frequently references contemporary issues of police loyalty, political patronage, women’s roles in temperance, and America’s ongoing struggle with organized crime and corruption.

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Episode Takeaway

The O’Connor System shows how, for decades, one American city managed crime not by policing but by literally inviting criminals to hang out—as long as they didn’t “do it here.” What started as corrupt pragmatism spiraled into national infamy, legendary criminals, and a cat-and-mouse game with government agents. Through comic retelling, The Dollop underscores both the ridiculous and the real costs of treating law enforcement as a business transaction.

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Written by: Josh Androwski
Sources:

• "John Dillinger Slept Here" by Paul Maccabee
• Minneapolis Star Tribune
• "The Big Fellow and the Cardinal" by Robert O’Connor (3am Magazine)
• "Keeping the Peace in St Paul" by Joel Best
• "St Paul and the O’Connor System" by J. A. Densley
• "Leave no Trace: Long history of criminals mutilating their fingers..."

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Transcript

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, it's Gareth again. Just a quick drop in. I'm just telling you all. I have a talk show I'm doing with all things comedy. It's called Almost Live. You can watch it on my YouTube. My YouTube, my YouTube channel, which is Gareth Reynolds TV, April 15th at 11:00am Pacific Time. Gareth Reynolds TV, almost live. We have guests like Matt Lillard, Steph Tola, Francesca Fiorentini, Justin Willimon. It goes on and on. I said Matt Lillard, right? Of course I did. I'm excited about him. Jim Jeffries. It goes on and on. So go to Gareth Reynolds TV, April 15th and beyond to watch almost live. Gareth Reynolds TV. Oh, sweet doll heads, you're part of the Gear Force too, whether you like it or not. Go to Gareth Reynolds.com for tickets and information because I am on the road. I will be in Albuquerque, New Mexico. April 19th, Tulsa, Oklahoma. April 21st, Oklahoma City. April 22nd, Dallas, Texas. April 23rd, Tyler, Texas. D, I didn't know you were a place until just recently. April 24th, Houston, Texas. April 25th, two shows at Riot. That's a great place. They're all great places. I will be at cap city comedy. April 26th. My baby. I'll be in San Antonio. April 28th. April 29th, Tucson, Arizona. And then more dates coming. But. But this is. This is the last big blowout tour for a minute, potentially. So. Garethreynolds.com for tickets and information. Dollheads. Gear Force. Love you. Hashtag Gear Force. Let's go.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's go. You're listening to the Dollop. This is an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a creepy,

[Gareth Reynolds]

creepy man, Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic will be about. 1841,

[Dave Anthony]

Year of our Lord. J Town. No snowmobiles. J Town's been getting into snowmobiles and he's digging it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool. Whatever. Not just puts.

[Dave Anthony]

He wears a cape when he does.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What year do you think he lived?

[Dave Anthony]

All yours, buddy. He never stopped living. Not in here. Not in here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So now he's James Bond.

[Dave Anthony]

Buddy. He lives in your heart. And he lives in my heart.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just get out of my face. Pig's Eye.

[Dave Anthony]

Minnesota was a town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Was a town named after its first settler, Pierre Pig's Eye.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's right.

[Dave Anthony]

He was called Pig's Eye because he had one weird eye.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, he was.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is he? He's a French.

[Dave Anthony]

Oui. But when Father Lucien Gator.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Lucian Gator. We got a pig in a gator.

[Dave Anthony]

When Father Lucian Gator built the first church. He named it for St. Paul and said the city had to be called St. Paul.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Pig's eye was St. Paul.

[Dave Anthony]

Pig's eye became St. Paul.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why did you ditch it? You had a fucking winner. Nobody fucks with Pig's Eye, Minnesota.

[Dave Anthony]

Nobody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nobody.

[Dave Anthony]

Nobody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. Hey, teachers. Look, I'm not asking you to put a bunch of stuff in the docket of problem, but maybe we go back to Pig's Eye. Yeah, I went to Pig's Eye Elementary.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, how great would that be?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, it's the best name of a city ever. Yeah, you leave it another table.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, St. Paul grew at the railroad and it became a main upper Midwest. Midwest hub of distribution and commerce. And so the population keeps doubling and money's flown in and businesses are taken off and immigration.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're in a montage right now, right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, Montage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Building. Yeah, things are building up.

[Dave Anthony]

Jobs, jobs. But as any city grows, so does crime quote. Masses daily sifted into the city. Low river dives and dance halls and gaggeries flourishing there. And no respectable man, much less a woman, dared enter the neighborhood after dark. The game of sharpers lying in wait for the approach of a tenderfoot. The relay of frail and tottery women who ready to murder the souls of men. And yet. And in yet another vendor of distilled poison destined to kill its victims. Old men, young men, fair young girls and hideous hags. Even the ugly. Wait, even the ugly women are not safe.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who's killing everybody there?

[Dave Anthony]

The criminals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. I wasn't sure if they were making it seem like there was like a. Like a. Like a bunch of female murderers in the town.

[Dave Anthony]

No, no, the. The females sounds like they're getting murdered.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But also murderers.

[Dave Anthony]

Old men and young men.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They're also murdering.

[Dave Anthony]

There's just a lot of killers about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So yeah, St. Paul's a killer city.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Please, pig's eye, have some respect.

[Dave Anthony]

St. Paul at the time was the northern terminus of the Mississippi River. Not anymore. So anyone or goods going north had to stop in the twin cities. The St. Paul Pioneer quotes soon after the opening of navigation. Each year, the black legs, pimps, thieves and bruisers seem to swarm up the river. And for a short.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So many names for criminals.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, they're different.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are there different types of criminals?

[Dave Anthony]

Pimp is not a thief. A thief is a different type of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'd argue a pimp is a thief.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow. A bruiser is not a thief or a pimp. He's bruiser.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very. No pimp.

[Dave Anthony]

Nope. Yeah, nope.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

And then a black leg is. You know, that guy's just got his legs painted black. So he's. That's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How are you? How's everybody doing tonight?

[Dave Anthony]

Holy. This guy's a black lick.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. What? Don't run away. Come on. Let me paint your legs. You start with your nails and you just don't want to stop.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1880, St. Paul police counted seven brothels and 242 saloons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll bet they did.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a lot of saloons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Great.

[Dave Anthony]

I wouldn't even guess there were that many houses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, you don't need one.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know how to guess things, though.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's true. It's always been a problem for you.

[Dave Anthony]

Minneapolis had 5,000 more people, but half as many brothels and 70 fewer saloons. Weak. You are some weak ass shit. Get your fucking brothel game up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Would you fuck already.

[Dave Anthony]

Will you get drunk and fuck already?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good Lord. Are you getting drunk and going home? Go pay to throw it in something, you fools.

[Dave Anthony]

That just means that everyone from Minneapolis is going across the river to bang. That's all that means.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Or they're just drunk masturbating.

[Dave Anthony]

I get it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yep. Drunk masturbating really fades as you get older. As you get older, you're like, well, that was a bad idea. Well, to be continued. I'll see you tomorrow. Almost. Hard penis. Apparently, I need a second party here.

[Dave Anthony]

I learned that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Should have washed my hands after the Cheetos. Boy, that's weird. It looks like Trump stick. I jerked up with Cheetos and Trump came out of me. Hello, I'm a genie. I will grant you three wishes. Wish for all the money in the world. Okay, done. Nothing's changed. Everything changed. Your metrics are off.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm still stuck on a Cheeto dick. Is it? I feel like that would have been a way to trick somebody a long time ago.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Walk me through this.

[Dave Anthony]

Wait, Just. You come home drunk and you just put Cheetos flavoring on your dick. And you're like. And then someone comes in, they're like. I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I guess maybe it's time to define what a trick is.

[Dave Anthony]

It's the old. It's the old Cheeto trick. Cause other people come in drunk and they're like, what?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are they gonna do?

[Dave Anthony]

They're looking for a snack.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like Talking to an 8 year old about what he thinks his 20s will be like. This guy is such a fucking prankster. I can't believe I sucked his dick.

[Dave Anthony]

Cause it Looked like a Cheeto.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Looked like a Cheeto. And then I'll have an apartment.

[Dave Anthony]

Look, the reason I bring that up is because when I was in college, we were all out partying and one of our buddies was like, I'm drunk. I'm going home. And then he lived with two other friends, and they came home and he was just. He's on the couch in the living room, his pants around his ankle. Just passed out with his hair

[Gareth Reynolds]

like

[Dave Anthony]

he just passed out mid. Jerk.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I have a buddy who in Chicago was on. This is like 30 years ago, was on a cordless phone called the 900 number and was. This was horrendous. Was smoking a cigarette while he was, like, outside, like, jerking off to a 900 number. Hammered. And then he passed out in the snow. And his mom found him. She was like,

[Dave Anthony]

oh. Oh, I did not raise this one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, wake up. Or don't.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, God. The 900 number sounds like my mom.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Did I die? 1, 800 moms.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's not enough numbers.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow. My hundred moms. Moms. Moms.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No.

[Dave Anthony]

There were 28 cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. What a different time.

[Dave Anthony]

They're kind of. They're kind of half. Half looking like Canadian Mounties.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, they really. They look like park rangers.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And of course, they targeted black people and immigrants. If you can imagine. If you can imagine a time, the Irish were under 10% of the population, but made up 35% of all arrests for drunkenness and fighting. They were mostly arrested for drunkenness and fighting. And citizens had varying opinions when it came to vice. Like they were split on prostitution. Some wanted prohibition, but many want a legalization and regulation. And the cops split the difference. Every month, each sex worker was arrested and their madams fined $25 plus $10 for every woman who worked for them. So it's like a brothel tax, Right? And the fines made up half of all money collected in police court.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ. They really needed that.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. They left gamblers alone. It was impossible to stop. So why not tax it? Gamblers were usually wealthy and connected to the mayor and city council. And new mayors would fire the police force, then hire a new one that was loyal to them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool. Good stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Weird. Can you imagine a strange guy doing that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Demanding loyalty from your enforcement?

[Dave Anthony]

After the election of a mayor. Mayor with Scandinavian connections, a paper joked that 500 men named Olaf claimed they were promised police jobs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, that's just

[Dave Anthony]

an hour after inauguration, Mayor Robert Smith fired all the cops and appointed no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They didn't fuck around.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And out like the first Thing they did was like, you're out.

[Dave Anthony]

You're out. And appointed John J. The Big Fellow o', Connor, as chief. O' Connor's dad was an Irish immigrant and city councilman for years. And John became a cop at 26. He was 6 3, which was huge for the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

And smart and said to be quote.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which was big for the time.

[Dave Anthony]

And smart and said to be quote, to St. Paul what Scotland Yard is to London. Oh, he was a cop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's Sherlock.

[Dave Anthony]

He's Sherlock.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I could see everything.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm just making happy faces.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're not. I am sarcastic.

[Dave Anthony]

Say it again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, say it again. You see? Sherlock. It's hurtful.

[Dave Anthony]

That was a happy face. Yeah. He was a cop. 19 years before becoming the police chief. His brother Dick became commissioner. Dick was nicknamed the Cardinal because he was, quote, more influential, charismatic, and powerful than the Archbishop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, this is a different era. Obviously.

[Dave Anthony]

They really worked on nicknames back then. Yeah, like, all right, come on, guys. Come bring it in. We gotta come up with something for Dick.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Cardinal. Let's get out of here.

[Dave Anthony]

Why?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah,

[Dave Anthony]

we got a winner. Is that after the bird?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Let some smoke out of that chimney. We got a nickname.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's not. What are you doing? I don't think you know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're back, baby.

[Dave Anthony]

Back from where?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Usa.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. All right, here we go. It's a good chant. Within a day of the Mayor Smith's election, the brothers cleaned house and gave John absolute power. John's greatest pride was his new home

[Gareth Reynolds]

squad, the Handsome Squad. Let's see those faces.

[Dave Anthony]

Handsome Squad. You can't see their faces? No, I don't think that he literally hired them on being attractive.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, turn around, pick up your pistol. You got a beautiful. There you. Whoa. Yowzy, wowzy. Do you have any experience in law enforcement?

[Dave Anthony]

No, but I can put Cheeto dust on my cock. Your Honor, Are you a judge?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Welcome aboard, Sergeant.

[Dave Anthony]

Thank you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're the best we have.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, I know it. So, John, there is no city in the US that has a squad of patrolmen, larger, better looking, better dressed and better behaved.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, rate it as Trump.

[Dave Anthony]

There is. I can't do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you want to read it as Trump?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Very top there. Very top.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There is no city in the US that has a squad of patrolmen. Larger, better looking, better dressed and better behaved. And nobody will figure out our handshake.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, as we said in 1900, St Paul was rife with crime. Thefts, burglaries, arson, murders, and other crimes rose dramatically. So to Bring down crime. John reframed what a crime was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is.

[Dave Anthony]

That's how you do it. Liquor laws, gambling, prostitution and other vice got a blind eye. There are even credible allegations that John's wife Annie ran a prostitution ring out of the old Bucket o Blood saloon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, What a. I would really rather in another area than the Bucket o Blood.

[Dave Anthony]

I get so turned on by a big old bucket of blood. Like a hotel. Hot and just warm. Bucket of Blood doesn't have to be hot, but, like, not room temperature. I want just a little bit above.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Gotta go down to the Bucket of Blood and see what happens.

[Dave Anthony]

The crazy thing is, is I tried to see if I could find a picture of the Bucket of Blood, but they're across the country. They're like 50 bucket of blood salutes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it's not even. It's like, I don't. It's just if I was like, yeah, now I'm turned on. I'm gonna go to the Bucket of Blood and.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, don't try it till you knock it. You're such a prude.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is that your pitch for dyslexia?

[Dave Anthony]

I think so. I think so. But John did re. Did enforce bans on dancing cheek to cheek.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is kissing public. Wait. So fucking for money. Legal. But he's like, if I see two cheeks touching, sweet mother of God, will I beat the shit out of that couple? That is fucking disgusting.

[Dave Anthony]

So looking the other way led to St. Paul having a much smaller crime rate than east coast cities, which made people come out here because they're like, oh, St. Paul. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Keep your cheeks away from each other. Excuse me?

[Dave Anthony]

I'll crack your fucking skull.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Keep those cheeks far away.

[Dave Anthony]

By the way, they're Irish.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Keep your cheeks far away from each other. Don't let your cheeks touch each other. By the way, if you fancy a shag for money, come to the Bucket of Blood. Oh, you'll love it. Unbelievable. You know why they call it a bucket of blood, don't you?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, because there's fluids that are horrible everywhere at the Bucket of Blood. It'll be a fluid of fluid, the Bucket of Blood.

[Dave Anthony]

That doesn't make me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My name's Chappie. I'll be your guide to this town. I'm a bit of a problem, but I'm also quite full of knowledge. Give me your money. No, your wife's mine.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now your wife's mine.

[Dave Anthony]

What the fuck was that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on, let's go. Okay. You're my best friend.

[Dave Anthony]

I just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We should start a business together. You And I. Shoe shining. That'll be perfect. There's folks here who've got legs painted black. Imagine if we'd shine them. That'd be a business at the Bucket of Blood. You'll have a time at the Bucket of Blood. Your wife and I are on the rocks.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let me sleep in your jars.

[Dave Anthony]

My jars?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dryers.

[Dave Anthony]

Drawers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, for your fucking chest.

[Dave Anthony]

My pants are my drawers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That drawers, where you put your drawers?

[Dave Anthony]

My dresser at home.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's the one.

[Dave Anthony]

Why would you sleep there?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I'm compact and I need a place to live. You're 6 foot and you're my best, best friend.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, we'll figure it out. Maybe you go in the dryers, I go in the bed. As a matter of fact, I've got a bit of a thing for your voice.

[Dave Anthony]

All right. What? God, you're an awful person.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, get out.

[Dave Anthony]

It's amazing how much you changed when I said you were Irish.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Something has happened.

[Dave Anthony]

John went further, creating the further than. You know, pretend like crime's not there. John went further, creating what became the o' Connor Layover Agreement. So John's force would allow any criminals to come and stay in St. Paul as long as they promised not to do crime in St. Paul.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So it was sort of like a criminal ghoul.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, it's fucked for Minneapolis, but.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but fuck them.

[Dave Anthony]

But St. Paul is great. Like, it's. Loving it. You just get.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a. Oh, that must have been so hard for criminals. They're like.

[Dave Anthony]

They could just come across the river and do whatever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just go swim across the river, just beat the shit out of someone.

[Dave Anthony]

Want to do crime in Milwaukee, fine. Duluth, no problem. Minneapolis, yes. But you could not rob, hurt or kill anyone in the St. Paul city limits.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Pretty cool rule if every city made that rule. Could be a solution. Or we just have one town. Or we're like, this is Crimesville. I think we're lost.

[Dave Anthony]

A criminal would arrive at the train depot, find the nearest cop, who would send him to the Savoy Hotel, and he would check in with Reddy Griffin, who was the crook liaison with the cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I guess I didn't expect criminals to be so above board with their arrival. Can we see your crime passport? There you are. All right. Right this way. Come to your room. No crime now. So you had to declare yourself.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, essentially, yeah, you, like. You're, like, registered.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So criminals would come here and be like, well, you got to follow the rules.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, well, they would.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're a pig's eye.

[Dave Anthony]

They Would pay the cops a bribe. A bribe. And then they'd get a room at the. At the hotel.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cool.

[Dave Anthony]

Any criminal who registered with the cops but still did a crime would be dragged to John's office and John would scream at them or beat them and kick them out of the city.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So it doesn't even seem like a bad. Like, if you did crime, it doesn't seem like a terrible

[Dave Anthony]

kicked out of the city.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like, if he yells at you, you're like, yeah, all right, cool. See you later. No, but it's like a principal, like,

[Dave Anthony]

all right, but you're kicked out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, I murdered two guys. I am so disappointed in you. That is crazy. Two men are dead. You promised. Now get out of here and think about what you've done.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote. If they behave themselves, I left them alone. If they didn't, I got them. Under other administrations. There was many thieves here, as there are now, but they pillaged and rob. I chose the lesser of two evils. Sure. I mean, you can see the logic in it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I do see the logic. But yeah, it's like an honor system for the dishonorable. Is.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

So this lasted over a decade until Ready died suddenly from a stroke. Nope.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, easy. Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

So John had to find another. Another liaison and he found Dapper Dan Hogan. Dapper Dan was from California and raised by Irish Catholic parents. And he did time in San Quentin for petty crimes like room prowling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh. Oh, I'm gonna get in there. And that room. Oh, that's noise. That is.

[Dave Anthony]

He moved to St Paul around 1909 at the height of the O' Connor Layover Agreement. Dapper Dan excelled in the city because he was really good at networking and became the city's largest fence.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It took me a minute.

[Dave Anthony]

You really thought maybe it was a fence?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't jump. Yeah, I mean, you use it slang.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, no, that's what they're back then. What are they called now?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thieves?

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's not a thief. Well, it's a guy that thief brings the stuff to. To sell.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Not a pond.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The.

[Dave Anthony]

There's a fence.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's a fence. He's a wall.

[Dave Anthony]

Criminals drop stolen goods from robberies in other towns at his bar. Casino slash social club. The Green Lantern Saloon. Oh, he'd resell them. Give the robber cash and take a cut for himself. So the Greenland.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, is that crime?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

You can't sell stolen goods. Have you ever heard of selling stolen goods?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but that's a crime.

[Dave Anthony]

I see where you're. We're not doing crime, but they have to be able to make money off of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The crime. So you could bring like, contraband, but you couldn't bring. You like.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he's. He may maybe would sell it outside of the city limits.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he'd just be like. Yeah, right over here. Okay. What do you got here? Swim across this river with me with your treasure bag. Oh, nice. Tea set. Yeah, that's beautiful.

[Dave Anthony]

A tea set.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is beautiful.

[Dave Anthony]

You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So in the world you're envisioning now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Am I? Are you asking me? Who are you talking to? Dapper Dan?

[Dave Anthony]

No, you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, Gareth.

[Dave Anthony]

So, Gareth, in the world you're envisioning.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold on. Dan was a fun part to play. Go ahead.

[Dave Anthony]

In the world you're envisioning, I was

[Gareth Reynolds]

raised by English people are thieves going

[Dave Anthony]

out and stealing tea sets.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

And bringing them for someone to fence.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. Yeah. Yes, they are.

[Dave Anthony]

How much do you think a tea set?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know. I don't know. What? I don't know. The prices back then. Two bucks. Two bucks a cup. One for a saucer.

[Dave Anthony]

So how many.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And if you got a sugar scooper? 50 cents.

[Dave Anthony]

How many tea sets do you think someone needs to steal to, like, get by for a month?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, God, not a lot. If they do, they have the. The. The kettle. The.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's a whole tea set.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, two. Two. You'll be over at Bloody Buckets or whatever it's called. Banging. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't think they still have stuff like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, they take other stuff. Petite sets.

[Dave Anthony]

Tea Sense is the main.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, I'm just thinking of the house I was raised in. Yeah, that'd be a big deal.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come up with a nice tea set.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, thank you. It'd be like that.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, like that. It's like you brought me right there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Do it again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, I don't care for your attitude. You've been a real jerk off the last two minutes.

[Dave Anthony]

When you. If you brought a tea set, the person be like, oh, hello, Governor. Now, you know, excited.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, don't say that. It's racist. I've been quiet long enough.

[Dave Anthony]

The Green Lantern became the hub of St. Paul crime, which included any local Democratic Party bosses who needed a problem taken care of. Okay, so Dapper Dan was so close to the Dems that whenever the Justice Department tried to prosecute him, they failed. So he. They'd help him out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. The Dems.

[Dave Anthony]

In one memo, the Department of Justice described him as, quote, doubtless one of the most resourceful and keenest criminals in the United States and has always been able to cover his tracks to avoid detection.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like that. That's a Justice Department memo. Until now. Now we got a memo on this fucker.

[Dave Anthony]

Once the Secret Service tried to put him under surveillance, but Dapper Dan turned around and put the Secret Service under better surveillance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They were like, wait, what? He going that way. They're going that way. Wait, what? He's turning right around here. He's right over here. Here, come with us. They're going right. Right over there. Just followed that. Who?

[Dave Anthony]

The said, what's happening right now? It spooked the Secret Service and they. They stopped the investigation. This guy's freaking me out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's the way to do it. Yeah. Just have a couple other guys behind. Cool, Cool. Move in.

[Dave Anthony]

Move in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sorry. Move in.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry. Move in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hold your position.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, everybody hold.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you doing?

[Dave Anthony]

What are you doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you doing? We're in the middle of an investigation.

[Dave Anthony]

We're in an investigation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who are you investigating? Please.

[Dave Anthony]

Who are you investigating?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We got a problem over here.

[Dave Anthony]

We got a situation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Do you even have anything in your. Do you have anything in your sleeve?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Do you have anything in your sleeve?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course I do. I'm part of the Secret Service.

[Dave Anthony]

Who are you not part of the Secret Service?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who are you with?

[Dave Anthony]

The better Secret Service.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're not supposed to tell me. It's a huge part of the Secret Service.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you told me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's got me.

[Dave Anthony]

We're watching him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He keeps ducking into his cufflink like he's got someone in there. I don't think he has anyone. Yeah, he just held it up and didn't say anything.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, what are you guys doing?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you making small talk with your guys?

[Dave Anthony]

Sometimes you do chat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, you shouldn't be doing chat. If you're part of a Secret Service. Guys, get over here right now. We gotta.

[Dave Anthony]

Guys, get everybody over here right now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, actually, if your men. Your men will stand down. Get over here.

[Dave Anthony]

You guys want to get meatloaf tonight for.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, why don't we ever talk about what we're doing for dinner, why we should.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, everybody move in right now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, wait, hold on.

[Dave Anthony]

They're confused.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, move. Wait, hold on. What should we do? Meatloaf or something like that?

[Dave Anthony]

They're very confused. This guy's time, guys. Let's go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm just saying, let's figure something out for later tonight.

[Dave Anthony]

Mashed potatoes. All right, that sounds good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, what do you get? They're getting mashed potatoes. These guys are getting. These guys are having a Thanksgiving fucking feast.

[Dave Anthony]

There's such a mess.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ. Where is he?

[Dave Anthony]

The whole psychological game. You guys were right. These guys can't handle it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't even have anything in your fucking sleeve.

[Dave Anthony]

My whole hand is a microphone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

We got advances. You didn't even fucking understand, you DC twat. Welcome to St. Paul, bitch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, he's pandering, and it's working pretty well. It's actually frustrating because it feels good to get applause, and I haven't gotten that.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't see that happening tonight.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Pig's eye.

[Dave Anthony]

Still not an applause.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Some people clap. That sort of counts.

[Dave Anthony]

You got some woos, some other things.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's clapping, there's clips. I don't know what you consider applause, but there was some clapping. All right, we gotta. I'm. I'm getting out of here, but I don't think your. Yours was a little louder, but you pandered a little harder. Thank you. All right, I'm cutting off everything. Taking my shirt off. I'm naked.

[Dave Anthony]

What the fuck? That was sad. To watch you spin out like that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Felt pretty bad.

[Dave Anthony]

So. Debordan was honorable. He was a peacemaker, and his word was as good as gold. He became the new arbiter of the St. Paul underworld. Who was the best at, quote, keeping the heat out of town.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So very cold underworld. Very cold. The vampire vampires.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

St. Paul became the Vegas of the Midwest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Be thankful you got away from that one. That.

[Dave Anthony]

This is the crazy. When I read this, I was like, What? The Vegas St. Paul, Minnesota boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Way to go. Way to. Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

They had huge acts like Duke Ellington and Cab Calloway coming all the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Bright lights and gambling were on every corner, and you could hang out with famous gangsters and feel safe. Because there was no crime in the city.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't believe people.

[Dave Anthony]

So people were.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They took a timeout for. They took a crime out to go crime out. People would show up and just be like, no, not while we're here.

[Dave Anthony]

And then it became a tourist destination because people were like, you want to go hang out with the criminals? And you would just go there to a bar, and you'd be hanging out with gangsters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. You just be like, to Al Capone, you'd be like, you fucking suck. You fucking can't do shit. I can't believe you did it. Get out of here.

[Dave Anthony]

I was going home anyway.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

This is my last day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, see you later. Great to see Al.

[Dave Anthony]

John defended his system as fighting, quote, organized crime with organized intelligence.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Kind of. He's actually doing organized stupid.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know. I mean, it works for his city.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's really weird, though. Like, every other city must be like, I didn't realize that was an option. I mean, we'll welcome any piece of shit. Just don't be a piece of shit here.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, Minneapolis must have been like, what the fuck?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, go over there.

[Dave Anthony]

Just. Just. It's like half the people in Minneapolis are murdered.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like the smoking section for crime. Shut the up. Give me all your money. All right? I'm going to St. Paul. Why are you covered in blood? You're from Minneapolis. Oh, okay. By all means, my friend. Welcome aboard. Enjoy yourself here in Vegas.

[Dave Anthony]

He said known crooks who knew they were being watched did not commit crimes. And he was right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, kind of. But that's like, every city, to some extent. There's a difference. There's a difference. You've created, like, a place where you're just like, hey, this is where we could be like, humans again. Can I be honest? Sometimes I like to just be in the green room and not be a criminal. Yeah, you know, it's nice. I hear you. I haven't stabbed the guy since this morning, and I feel great. Huh?

[Dave Anthony]

I have.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, get ready.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, you guys, they're back. St. Paul became a safe place for ordinary people. Quote, an epidemic of burglaries, robberies, holdups, and thefts came to an abrupt end. Never in the history of St. Paul has human life and the property of citizens been so safe and the virtue of its women so assured. And that's what matters. The virtue of the ladies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like a shark tank pitch. It's called Crime Free Town. It's just. It is the definition of that's. Crazy enough to work.

[Dave Anthony]

You could pitch this on shark tank and Mr. Fabulous would be like, yeah, I like that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And we'll just gas em. What? There you go. In perpetuity.

[Dave Anthony]

Local women's clubs disagreed, but John did. Local women's. Local women's clubs disagreed but John didn't care because they couldn't vote.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll get back to it. We're on our way.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, let the women attend to their own business in their homes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The idea that fucking. He's like, there's no crime as long as women don't leave their house. You see, my metrics are strange.

[Dave Anthony]

John hated the temperance movement. Well, I mean getting fucking line which was dominated by women. He thought breweries and beer gardens helped the economy. And major breweries, like hams could use protection, you know, like the way the mafia protected businesses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So were women even going out? I'm sure they were like in the beer gardens. But they're like Jesus Christ. And he's like perfect. A crime free zone for men. We found utopia.

[Dave Anthony]

Most women that a lot of women were in the temperance movement because their husbands came home drunk and spent all their money on booze.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way. That's the best way to start a revolution. Like to just be like, he's so drunk he won't remember. Where are you going? I'm going out protesting for my right to vote. Okay. I slept like. Yeah, we were in bed by 10. Oh cool.

[Dave Anthony]

So John retired in 1920 as prohibition began. And prohibition blew up the O' Connor system.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He left right on time.

[Dave Anthony]

He did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He had the perfect run.

[Dave Anthony]

Organized crime rings flooded in and without John's heavy hand, crime rates immediately shot up. It was so bad that there were seven police chiefs in 10 years after John's 20 year term ended.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh shit. It's like a bad GM.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it is. Sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

My first thought was Manchester United. So I get it. Sometimes beat cops didn't know who their bosses were until they showed up for work. Fucks this guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, how are you? Okay. So there's a lot of shit going on out there.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just make sure that nobody's pushing or. What are you gonna say?

[Dave Anthony]

Nothing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just. Yeah. Hahaha.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you nine?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I am nine.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. So all right. The guns. No more. Unless.

[Dave Anthony]

Can't have guns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, no. Or you need them though. Yeah, we got them. Oh,

[Dave Anthony]

have you been a police jeep before? No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have you?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, okay. The handcuffs. Let's go from the top. How do they work?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh Jesus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, no. Be honest. What's the best part? Okay, hold on.

[Dave Anthony]

I usually put one on one bed stand and one or the other. No, my feet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no. Hey, hey. Bring the perps down here.

[Dave Anthony]

Bring the perps down here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

What does that mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know. It was written on a note card. Okay. Oh, hey.

[Dave Anthony]

How'd you get hired?

[Gareth Reynolds]

My dad left.

[Dave Anthony]

Your dad was the last police chief? Yeah, but then why are you doing it?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I miss my dad.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm holding on to a piece of him and nobody else would do it. Hey, shut the up.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, here we go.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You shut up.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. All right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're such a. Such a. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And I hate you. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you talking to your dad right now?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Were so bad.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You left Christmas morning.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, I don't really want to listen to this anymore.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Why don't you shut the up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let's get our hands in.

[Dave Anthony]

No, we're not getting our hands in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I might do the handshake.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm thinking about breaking your hand. Do the handshake for the Billy club.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Go cops.

[Dave Anthony]

Go cops.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Woo. I just shot eight guys and I ate their brains.

[Dave Anthony]

What the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. We're back, baby.

[Dave Anthony]

Shot back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know. Oh, man. Crazy happen. Super happened super quick.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you have to. Shouldn't you be in school or something?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Supposed to be. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Supposed to. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, you're not going to make it through the day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Don't. Please don't wipe your nose with your arm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't have a hickey.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. All right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My nose is sore because you keep

[Dave Anthony]

wiping it with your whole fucking arm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Like a weirdo.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's really red. Yeah, but now it's snottier.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, stop talking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

For a while though, the agreement was still upheld thanks to the diplomatic services of Dapper Dan.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

In the winter of 1928, just before 11:30am Dan was just finishing breakfast and he went to the garage.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a late breakfast.

[Dave Anthony]

And got in his car. A Page coupe, which if you just Googled like typical 1920s mobster car. That's what it is. Okay. It's got the doors and Dapper Dan had. It's got the doors. Yeah. Good. Well done.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're not the only history.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you get it. Like you have like a. In your mind, you see stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I paint word pictures.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For those of you listening. Picture. Yeah. Car. But from back then.

[Dave Anthony]

Well done.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Big old dumb tires.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Big dump tires.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Probably convertible roof on it. Yeah. Roof One wiper. Idiots. One.

[Dave Anthony]

Yep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Stupid.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, Dapper Dan had an alarm in the garage in case anyone went in to try and kill him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But I'll be honest, I'm shocked. Alarms were invented.

[Dave Anthony]

I know, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's crazy. What would that even be like? It was probably just a bird. I picture it like the Flintstones. It's an owl.

[Dave Anthony]

Hard to hear it, but he let the batteries. Batteries expire on the alarm. Police report.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is before it did the annoying beep.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Police report, quote, the force of the blast rocketed the auto out of Hogan's garage and into the alley. Hogan's right leg was practically blown off. The explosion blew the hood off the car, went through the top of the car, broke all the windows in the car, blew the steering wheel completely, completely off, tore apart the rear.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Couldn't they just be like, the car

[Dave Anthony]

exploded off and broke all the windows in the garage?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, the car exploded. The car in the garage exploded. And also the roof was on fire and the walls burned. And the car.

[Dave Anthony]

Dapper Dan, somehow survived.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

It was one of the first car bombings in the United States.

[Gareth Reynolds]

People were like, what the happened? Your whole car blew up. What?

[Dave Anthony]

It's pretty cool.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A bomb.

[Dave Anthony]

Genius. So gangsters from all over rushed to his aid, begging to give him their blood. What they wanted to do. They wanted to be like, does any blood? I got blood. Here's a bucket of it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That looks hepatitisy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, Jack it in.

[Dave Anthony]

At the hospital, Dan was shocked that someone had tried to kill him because everyone loved him. He told friends he didn't know he even had enemies. And hundreds jammed phone lines trying to get an update on his condition.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow, that is awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

And then Dapper Dan went into surgery, fell into a coma, and died.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What was he having surgery for?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, his legs off, like, that's one reason.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Let it go. The surgeon back, then. There we are. Oh, boy. He's gone. We are not ready to do stuff like this. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. His leg's the healthiest part. Isn't that what a little twist of irony that is?

[Dave Anthony]

Should we sew up the hole where the leg was?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it is lunch. What are we doing for lunch?

[Dave Anthony]

Setting up. Now, that's a. Oh, you want to get a. We still have leftover meatloaf.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, we'll do meatloaf for lunch. That sounds good.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. See you guys later.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, bye.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you. Thanks.

[Dave Anthony]

Dan's last words were, quote, doc, doc, you better be good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what? I Like that before a surgery, putting the pressure on the doctor. If I don't wake up, I'll kill you. You better be good. He was like, well, that was. Shit's a lot of pressure. Oh, shit. He shouldn't have said that.

[Dave Anthony]

I shouldn't have used a hammer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, let's just hammer that leg off, and then we'll get out of here. Dapper Dan Hogan's dies of bomb. I don't think that's fair. That doesn't even put the surgeon on the hook at all.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, he did die.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, he didn't. He had a leg. He had a leg. And the. Sir. He was like. He's happy. He said something to the surgeon.

[Dave Anthony]

The leg came up. Yeah, but he still died of the wounds from the bombing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, he died from a bad surgeon.

[Dave Anthony]

What are you talking about?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you. This is crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

He was blown into pieces, and they were trying to get him to live,

[Gareth Reynolds]

and he said something to the surgeon.

[Dave Anthony]

If you get hit by a car.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you could talk to the surgeon. I better come out. If I can have. If I can have a sense of humor before I go under. You better fuck.

[Dave Anthony]

That is the. That is absolutely the craziest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're so wrong of.

[Dave Anthony]

You do not ever work in an E.R. my God. You're out of your fucking mind.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I will, and I'll show you. Yeah, me and an ER what do

[Dave Anthony]

you mean, he's dead? He said a word before he went in.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not a word.

[Dave Anthony]

He said he had thought, no, my husband can't be dead. The last thing he said was, I'll see you in Hawaii. And now he's gone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now he said, I see in Hawaii. That man is not ready to live. He said, doc, you better be good. It was pointed, but you could be

[Dave Anthony]

bleeding out and say that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, that's different. Hey, Doc, you better be. Not to mention you have to time it with, like, the anesthetic properly. You got to get it out.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, there's a lot of things.

[Gareth Reynolds]

9. Doc, you better be good.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm sure that there were, you know, in the Civil War, doctor pulled out a saw, and the guy was like, you better be good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Civil. He's awake for that. Doc, you better be good. Oh, you're not. Oh, you're not. Oh, you're not. Oh, my God. Oh, you're not. Oh, my God. What the. Is this really necessary?

[Dave Anthony]

Plus, there's all those movies when, like, someone re just, like, a bad guy punches into a chest and pulls out the guy's heart.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All those movies.

[Dave Anthony]

That's One guy says a line like,

[Gareth Reynolds]

although that's not a guy.

[Dave Anthony]

He's like, oh, no.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love your movie trope of a guy. When a guy takes another guy's heart out, literally. One movie.

[Dave Anthony]

Like when a guy gets cut in half by a blade and he's like, oh, dear. And then he slides in half.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now that's different. That's different. I will concede.

[Dave Anthony]

And they actually do that to the actor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's true. Yeah. Another commitment. No. One of the hardest lines to deliver in any comedy is like, if you get hit on the head and like your comedic line before you pass out, it's like a miss all the time. Always. Yeah, Doc, you better be good. That wouldn't be funny.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I used them before they were a company.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Just talking to a friend and an associate the other day about Rocket Money, were you? And they were saying they don't know what took them so long. They're saving money. It pays for itself, Dave.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, so Rocket Money helps you save that sweet, sweet cash. They track your subscriptions, right? You go in, you put your information in, and then they're like, this is all the stuff you're spending money on, you crazy loon. And I go, what? I didn't know I had a toenail subscription to get toenails every month. Why do I have that?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whose toenails?

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm on toenails.com right now. And I'm not lying. It's not a website, so someone. Someone should get moving, because that could be good.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

They reunited me with my daughter.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

Historians believe the killer was likely Dapper Dan's protege, Harry Sawyer. He wanted. He had wanted the Green Lantern and he wanted to be top gangster.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's so hard to hear that and not think of a bad guy and a Marvel. Marvel movie. He wanted the Green Lantern and he'd do anything to have him.

[Dave Anthony]

And Dan had Harry over. He owed Harry half a million dollars he had put up to get Dan out of prison. And also 700,000 from a gambling operation back then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Money.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, boy.

[Dave Anthony]

Before surgery, Dan told his wife to go to the Green Lantern and take the all the money they had out of this.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This man should have survived. He gave his wife logistical plans.

[Dave Anthony]

You have the craziest.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're out of your mind.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He was talking. You're a lunatic, honey. Gunny, honey, under the floorboards, there's a budget. Go there and then you're gonna go. You'll find some keys that go to the green lantern. I'm 100%. I'm gonna live. Look at how cognitive I am. It's a fucking leg.

[Dave Anthony]

Have you ever heard of when someone gets trapped between the subway and the subway platform and their body twists around?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. That's not what he had.

[Dave Anthony]

Then they bring down their family and they like say goodbye and stuff and then they move. All of their body falls out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, same deal, way different. And by the way, if I was in that situation, I'm insisting on them never moving me. And I want my family to move down at that subway car. We will live here. We will rebuild our lives down here. I will never be untwisted. Now come give your husband a kiss. Here we go. I'm fine. How was school, junior? Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. I love you so much.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth Reynolds is doing his new stand up special. I'm on the platform.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, we're closing. The platform. Closed.

[Dave Anthony]

No, let me do my last special.

[Gareth Reynolds]

First twisted comedy. I'm doing my special like that. You guys ever noticed how awesome it is to have oxygen? This is tough. Hey, who. Who hates the subway? How bad is the subway? Become these fucking trains, they don't tell you when they're coming. Ah, you know what I mean. All right, that's the show. You guys have to leave.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, you get off the subway.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good night. You guys have to go.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, you get out the subway car and you don't know which way is 5th street and which way is 6, and you get all twisted around the other guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When I'm like, look at. I look that way and the train's coming from the other way. And then I have to move down here and do a special. How crazy is that? I think we're enjoying the show more than anybody.

[Dave Anthony]

I know. I really want to make this movie now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I want it to. Yeah, he just rebuilds. Blowing out birthday candles. Oh, thank you. You do it.

[Dave Anthony]

He's trying to date.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So, hey, have you ever thought about living in a subway? Have you ever seen yourself living in a subway? Maybe. How important is sex to you?

[Dave Anthony]

Are you into. Are you into oral? I'm looking for like a pillow princess type lady.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now they'll lower you down on a series of cables. We've got it all planned out. What do you weigh, about a buck 80, buck 20? I'm sorry. I haven't seen a woman in a while. I'm so sorry. I should have. I never guess a woman's weight. How old are you? Oh, my God. Another faux pa. Can you tell I haven't been on Tinder for a while? Oh, my God. I'm having the best time with you. Really?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

More wine? I can't. Goes right through me, as you can see. Here, Catch it. Finish. It's called a bucket of blood. That's what we're dealing with. And. Stop living down there. 30 years.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, God. I tell you, it gets a little boring down here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

People stop live streaming all day.

[Dave Anthony]

People stop visiting me after 10 years. Once they shut down the platform, it's like nobody comes by.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Become a bit strange. Shut up. I fucking hate New York. This is brutal.

[Dave Anthony]

So where was I before all that happened? Okay, at the beginning, she goes to the Green Lantern to look for the money in the deposit in the safe, basically. But when she gets there, it's empty. And the only other person at a key was Harry Sawyer. So he clearly killed him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

By the 1930s, the O' Connor system had completely backfired and the city was known across the US as a place where killers, bank robbers and general fiends were not only safe, but welcome.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So now they could come there and just commit crime, do whatever they want. Yeah. So they lost. The charm of the town is gone.

[Dave Anthony]

Fortune magazine called it, quote, the best place in America to hire a hitman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck is for? Have we ever needed Fortune magazine? Has it ever been valuable? It's just like, here's the best place to kill people. Here are the top 500 businesses.

[Dave Anthony]

The gangsters were beloved by the people because they targeted wealthy robber barons who created the Great Depression. Who created the Great Depression and ruined ordinary folks lives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Starting to see a reason.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Many were delighted to greet them. In St. Paul, Machine Gun Kelly bought.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, he's the rock.

[Dave Anthony]

Ms. Gun Kelly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, this is a different one.

[Dave Anthony]

She chatted around town to inflate Mr. Gun Kelly's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mr. Gun. Thanks for having respect.

[Dave Anthony]

I do. I'm not gonna.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Mr. Gun Kelly.

[Dave Anthony]

Mr. Gun Kelly's rep while he bragged about bank robberies while drinking a huge glass of milk in speakeasies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, that is the number one beverage to drink and not get fucked with. I'd be like, you know what? You're good.

[Dave Anthony]

That guy's fucking crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's going on over there?

[Dave Anthony]

You bring in the whole cow and I'll just suck on that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have a good life.

[Dave Anthony]

Abe the Twist. No, Abe Kid Twist Rells.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, that's the subway car guy. Kid Twist. How you doing, man? My hands are set. My hands can't separate. Can you believe that? That's crazy. How are you? Yeah, that's right. I got a fourth butt cheek. What's normal? How are you? I tell you what, imagine being married to this lugga Nuts. She's a very lucky lady.

[Dave Anthony]

Kid Twist was a hitman with Murder Incorporated. Who used an ice pick in the ear because quote, you don't hear nothing, you don't see nothing. He just goes to sleep.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, tell you who hears something. The ice picked guy, the last thing he is is pretty devastating. It's so funny to look at this guy. Looks like a great, like a grandpa. You've Been.

[Dave Anthony]

He does. Hey, where are my kids?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You put it through their brain. In, out, that's boom, boom, bang, boom, bam.

[Dave Anthony]

You want to see me kill a 4 year old?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come here.

[Dave Anthony]

Guys, a cop said Kid Twist could, quote, kill a guy like he was opening a bottle of seltzer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay?

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, you got to use it, you know? Not everyone's good at it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, the translations back then.

[Dave Anthony]

What do you mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's right. He could kill a guy. Like he built a pool in his property. What's going on? You wouldn't hear him coming like a screaming hang glider. What? A hang glider. Who's screaming? You ain't going to hear the hang

[Dave Anthony]

glider itself was screaming or the guy on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The guy on it screaming, yelling.

[Dave Anthony]

So you can hear him really coming, like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, not from that altitude.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but you still hear it like, look, it's not quiet.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's tougher than a bad golf swing.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you saying that a bad golf swing is a indication that someone's tough?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, they're going, right? They're bringing up a lot of dirt. They got to put those little patches back down. Tough's the dirt. No, he's got more echo than a forest with no trees.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Exactly.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's more nearsighted than a frog with a bifocal.

[Dave Anthony]

Why would.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Exactly. That's. Exactly. That's my point to you.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm just gonna agree with you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that's my point to you.

[Dave Anthony]

Really nailed it, that one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. I nailed that one harder than I did a toolbox with a bunch of rust on it that a kid took from his dad's shed. And he wasn't supposed to. And his dad found out. He sat down, he had a long chat with him, and he's like, don't worry about it. I know you want to be me, but you can't take my tools.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thanks. Exactly.

[Dave Anthony]

Thanks for clearing that up. Don't you say another word. Say another word.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's more tired than a limousine with 18 flats.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Then I got to try to clear myself. My neck is so. Give him that hawk tour.

[Dave Anthony]

Nope.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Imagine listening. The hell's going on? This is a very strange moment.

[Dave Anthony]

Kid Twist hung in lounges taken talking of his hits while eating a sandwich. Miming kills using a pickle as an ice pick. What the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He had an ice pickle.

[Dave Anthony]

One of these.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's called an ice pickle.

[Dave Anthony]

Get that pickle out of my ear. You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go. And then it went through his brain.

[Dave Anthony]

That's a dill.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

Edna Murray was called Rabbit's Murray for escaping prison three times by hopping a fence. Not that fence.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's such a great time. When it was just like, I'll go over the fence. How did she get out of here? I swear to God, we gotta build something higher than 2ft. That rabbit lady jumped right over it.

[Dave Anthony]

She was also called the Kissing Bandit for standing in the middle of a road to stop a big rig. And then she'd get in the cab and make out with the driver while her gang stole the loot in back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's an absolute shock. The length of time men have had. The power, like the most simple, dumbest. Well, I can't believe a woman wants to come up to the front of the cab and make out with me.

[Dave Anthony]

That makes sense.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Holy. This is my fantasy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy. Everything's gone.

[Dave Anthony]

Dear Penthouse. Fuck. I got wrong. Robbed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dear Pen, I never thought I'd be writing one of these. They took everything my real wife left me.

[Dave Anthony]

John Dillinger was the most famous. He was like a Robin Hood type. He only robbed banks that were FDIC insured and ripped up mortgages. Bring it back. Bring it back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but now ripping them up, now people be like, cool, we have those on computers, so.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, that's why you hack it and get rid of it. He wants escaped jail using a gun carved out of wood and blackened it with shoe polish.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That guy, that. That guard was an idiot. Holy shit, John. Where did you get a pistol like that? It's so shiny. Yeah, with some spots that are kind of white and woody.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. New.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who makes that gun?

[Dave Anthony]

Smith and Smith.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smith and Smith. Hey, we don't want no trouble, John. By the way, you have black shoe polish all over both of your hands. We don't want no trouble, John.

[Dave Anthony]

I was fixing my shoes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You mean those? Those are disco shoes.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, but I also was doing some blackleg stuff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, well, say no more. We know that that's true.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I go?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

See? Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Tell you what. He was out of here faster than a robot without wires.

[Dave Anthony]

Without wives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wires. Yeah. You believe that?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

He wants a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He did more

[Dave Anthony]

in St. Paulie. Tipped bartenders. A hundred dollars.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Great.

[Dave Anthony]

He made a deal for the cops to tip him off if the FBI was ever coming for him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

But once the Feds were able to raid his apartment and he shot his way out, at that exact moment, a grand jury was exonerating the St. Paul Police Department, saying there was, quote, no justification for any charges that an excess of crime exists here. It's great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. What should we do for lunch? Every police officer's gone. Wait, what? The feds are gone.

[Dave Anthony]

Bootlegger Leon Gleckman, the al Capone of St. Paul. Paul Capone was so powerful that he installed the police chief, Big Tom Brown, who was 6 5.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

Brown had been on the Purity Squad, which was a unit to shut down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're not fucking, are you? Nobody's fucking, are they? I'm unfuckable. And so are you all. If no one will fuck me. You can't fuck. Do you understand? Nobody fucks. Shut up. Unless someone wants to fuck me. No. Then nobody. We'll all be virgins.

[Dave Anthony]

That's basically the entire. Forever. It's basically the entire right wing forever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's a difference.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Now, the Purity Squad was a unit to shut down Speakeasy. But they never found any. I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You swear to God? You just have a bunch of gin bottles here and you're not. That's right. 100%. Good to see you, though. You have mascara on your eyes. Still, I had a show last night.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, the o' Connor labor system had also worked due to the weakness of the FBI. Before 1934, the FBI couldn't carry guns or make arrests. They relied on local cops to execute warrants.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not being able to make arrests is a great.

[Dave Anthony]

It's amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me, officer. He's doing bad stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm part of the FBI. Go get him. Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

Nah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Please. We got it. We got everything we need. We had. We had a wiretap on him, okay? He's doing bad stuff. Please, Mr.

[Dave Anthony]

Officer, let me finish my orange juice. Sometimes it'll take me like, a day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Ah, it's a crazy length of time.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. What'd you say? Who are you with?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The FBI.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know who that is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Feds,

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We wear suits.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You got little things here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, thanks for coming by. Why don't you go get them yourself?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, that's really sad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know. It's.

[Dave Anthony]

Wow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's way better.

[Dave Anthony]

Your job sucks, huh?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll show you.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, will you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll ruin everything.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're gonna kill everybody. Who would start a revolution. You see?

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus Christ.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You've got that blood on your hands.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Smoke bomb.

[Dave Anthony]

If the FBA wanted a raid, the cops had to comply. But the police had a policy to call and warn the criminals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. Again. It's like. It's so hard to not find this system better. I mean, it's like, obviously you don't want crime, but you're like, yeah, but, well, let's take our chances. Honestly.

[Dave Anthony]

Brown made sure all his gangster pals made it out untouched. But those who wronged brown didn't. For instance, ex ally homer van meter. A bunch of cops ambushed van meter in broad daylight and filled him with holes, Stole his money, took his car, which they then turned into a cop car. Anyway. Don't with me. In 1933, Prohibition was repealed and bootleggers needed to make money. And there was only so many banks they could rob. In 1932, one of every five bank robberies in the u. S. Took place in minnesota.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. That's pretty awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

So the big fish turned to kidnapping, and one gang took the lead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That'd be so hard to be like, yeah, we're worried. So we've actually. We've transitioned as well as we can. Oh, we're kidnappers now. Oh, we take people.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. See you later.

[Dave Anthony]

All right. Bye.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Get in here.

[Dave Anthony]

Arizona. Donnie clark, AKA ma barker.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whoa.

[Dave Anthony]

She was from Missouri, and she married a loser named George barker. And they had four kids. Fred, doc, herman and lloyd.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Who named them?

[Dave Anthony]

Most of them, if not all, were illiterate. One was just stupid.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I am facing forward, Herman. Forward for me to the camera. What is the camera? That thing I'm holding. Cheese.

[Dave Anthony]

Hi, wall.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I knew I shouldn't have done push ups when I was having you. Oh,

[Dave Anthony]

she raised the boys in tulsa Gel. She raised the boys in tulsa In a dirt floor shack with no windows or door.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Beautiful. What the fuck? Dirt floor? No door is not a real detail.

[Dave Anthony]

No, it's just an open thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, this is it forever. How do we get out? Get out where? Good point. So popping out kids into dirt. Oh, dear. He's very dusty.

[Dave Anthony]

So, miserable poverty. So ma opened a sort of door, a window. A sort of school for criminals helping local boys with bank robberies and other crimes. And her son's crimes escalated until Herman, who was the idiot shot, called that

[Gareth Reynolds]

could tell who the run of that litter is.

[Dave Anthony]

Shot a cop in the head, Then ran over a child and then killed himself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Herman. Herman. Oops. I done it again. Herman.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't eat again, ma. I shot myself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Herman.

[Dave Anthony]

Mama.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Idiot. Yeah, well, I tell you to face the music, but you don't know which way to go.

[Dave Anthony]

I like to look at the wall.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ. To be the stupidest one in this family is really saying something.

[Dave Anthony]

Look at lloyd. He's done dumb.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think you died.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but I never stopped.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't believe there's a ghost.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost. I'm a dumb ghost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Goes.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1930, Ma married another loser.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This guy was like, cool. I love your empire.

[Dave Anthony]

Arthur Dunlop.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He even had dumb in his name.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he loved getting drunk and bragging about the family's crimes. In 1931, Ma's ruthless son Fred got out of prison and with friend Alvin Karpis. His nickname was Creepy because of his dead doll's eyes and his smile, which many said made them feel like a ghost was walking over their grave. So Ma adopted Creepy and they became the masterminds of the organization. They had to go on a run after killing a Missouri sheriff and they ended up in St. Paul. And their first big stick up job was at the Northwestern National Bank. They stole a fancy car to do the job in style. A luxury Lincoln.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Doors.

[Dave Anthony]

Got it. And they got 75,000 in paper money, 6.5 thousand in coins and 185,000 in bonds, which is over 6 million today.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

Now because of the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Where are we going to hide it?

[Dave Anthony]

Because of the o' Connor layover system, they were fine. But then some kid recognized them from their pictures in a true detective magazine. Snitch. Hey, wait a minute, you little son of a. I'm the sheriff.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dare you. You.

[Dave Anthony]

So Arth. Arthur Dunlop was a total dick and he abused Ma. Or they thought he had blabbed instead of the kid figuring it out. Or they just wanted to kill him. Either way, they killed him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Kind of tipped your hand on that a little bit.

[Dave Anthony]

And a woman's glove was found covered in blood at the scene. The gang hid out in a Fancy fishing town 14 miles north and then came back to do a kidnapping.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Camping. Whoa. A door.

[Dave Anthony]

William Ham Jr. Jesus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cr. Every guy here looks like he's been like blow darted with roids. Look at the size of this guy.

[Dave Anthony]

He's 20.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's 20.

[Dave Anthony]

Kidding.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. I would not. Surprise. Look at his hands. Yeah, he's got skull crushers.

[Dave Anthony]

So William Ham Jr. Was the rich young heir to the Hams brewery fortune.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

So they grabbed him in the parking lot and pulled him. The Hams air in the Ham's parking lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Make better beer. No, him.

[Dave Anthony]

They pulled him into a car.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It had to be a big car. They were like, his legs are still pulling. Pull him in all the way. His head's out. The other cheese. All right, smush him. According. Push him in.

[Dave Anthony]

Creepy was in the passenger seat, and he had a minor freak out and was terrified they'd kidnapped the wrong guy. Quote, with typical Minnesota good spirits, Ham assured the gangsters that he was Indeed William Ham Jr. No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That was very nice of you to tell us that. I just wanted to be fair.

[Dave Anthony]

I remember the first time I came here. I was like, why are you saying hi to me? I don't know you. On the street, I used to have a Joe bit. My act about how nice people in Minnesota.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How you doing? Off.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Ham. Quote, they were very nice to me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a weird man.

[Dave Anthony]

I asked.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They were some of my best friends. I adored each one of them.

[Dave Anthony]

I asked for anything I wanted and ordered anything I wanted. The meals were good and simple, nothing elaborate. But whoever did the cooking knew their way around the kitchen.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What is happening right now? What is he doing? I'll tell you what, boys. I'm having a hell of a time. This is absolutely lovely.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I ask who the chef is?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are beautiful cuisine.

[Dave Anthony]

Although it was a trying experience, I was treated with the utmost respect and courtesy. But like the old adage, home sweet home is the best place,

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's treated like sleepaway camp. That's all. I'm gonna really miss the hell out of you guys. You're some of my best friends.

[Dave Anthony]

You guys want to hug this out?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

The gain gang made 2.5 million in cash from the kidnapping. A big chunk of that went to Big Tom Brown, which put them in the clear. Right? So they did another kidnapping, find a smaller guy. Well, they did. Edward Bremer. Edward Bremer was a banker and an heir to the Schmidt brewery fortune.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone had beer money. Yeah, it's pretty good.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. The FBI quote, he was very much disliked, not only by his family, but. But generally.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Shouldn't that go in the opposite order? Shouldn't he be, like, not only generally, but also by his family? Like the twist, there is not that he was generally disliked. You know, his family hated him. And get this, others. You're not going to believe this. He was unpalatable to everyone and his family.

[Dave Anthony]

He has an uncontrollable temper, is very selfish.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Friends, this guy looks like the guy who's, like, out of control. And then this guy's like, you cross me, I will you up. I will your world up.

[Dave Anthony]

And Bremer was on the wrong side of Harry Sawyer, the guy who had killed Dapper Dan. Bremer had forced relationships with criminals to get through prohibition. But now that it was over, he wanted to cut ties. And gangsters don't like that. So on January 17, 1934, two cars blocked Bremer in and a man tried to pull him out of his car. But Bremer fought. So the guy pistol whipped the out of him until blood was everywhere.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. Not to make light of this man's impending death, but the moment when you just think these are two idiot drivers, when you're like, what are these guys doing? Guys, get it together. Oh, it's a murder. Oh, okay. Okie dokie. Now I get it.

[Dave Anthony]

So when he was being shoved into the back of the kidnapper's car, Brehmer blocked the door with his legs. So they slammed it, severely injuring his knee, and then closed it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

See, the way the other guy handled it was way better.

[Dave Anthony]

Way better. Hi, you guys want me to bake your pie?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, you guys can abuse my legs all you want. Oh, this is quite an interior.

[Dave Anthony]

And then they. And then they were gonna. They were gonna take his car too, but they couldn't figure out how to stand start it because it's a fancy new car. Quote, they continue to beat him over the head so furiously that he decided that he had best start his car, which he did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

They beat him so much, he was like, I'll start it.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, you gotta touch that button. His eyes like out of his head. It's tricky though, huh? They make it cars pretty crazy now if you think about it.

[Dave Anthony]

The ruling families of St. Paul were horrified by this new trend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

A reporter quote, we had a lot of murders and gangster killings and kidnapping of minor hoodlums for ransom. Nobody paid any attention to it. But when we start to pick on the fat boys, then people get alarmed. When a fat boy is threatened, he will get action. What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

The Fat Boys. The rap group Fat Boys. The Fat Boys, they called rich guys. Hey, fat boy. Shut up. I just have a lot of money. I'm actually. I work out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Cuz they're like fat cats, basically. So they're fat boy.

[Dave Anthony]

We should bring that back as we have so little. How Elon would not be able to handle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Excuse me. I don't even think I'm fat. I am just. What are you even talking about? You are her. You are made from a completely different. Your molecules are not even in line with where you used to be on a cellular level. Stop it, fat boy. You stop that right now. You don't Understand?

[Dave Anthony]

No, fat boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Enough. I'm just digesting a trillion dollars.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus Christ. Now, Bremer's father happened to be good friends with fdr.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, shit.

[Dave Anthony]

And with within hours, the President sent a special team of FBI agents. Told a thousand mail carriers to watch for suspicious activity.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I like that. The mail carriers in the FBI had like the same amount of power.

[Dave Anthony]

Look, boys, we got some serious crimes going. I don't want everyone looking for weird letters.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like the FBI and the mail carriers standing next to each other. Like, we got to stick together. The FBI is like, nah, we're not. Shut the fuck up, dude. Deliver the mail.

[Dave Anthony]

And he got word from the American Legion that 10,000 Legionnaires were ready to find to help. So Bremer complained a lot to the kidnappers, especially about the cooking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How fucking dare you?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, even though he got chili, chop suey, fried chicken, strawberry shortcake and apple pie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And the last guy was like, this is delicious. Like, the chef was like, I don't know what to think anymore. Clark, you're doing great now. Whatever he did. Fuck whatever. He doesn't like the seasoning. Let him salt it. Give him the salt. Fuck it. I don't care. Give him the ketchup too. Let him dip it. This guy's unbelievable. His legs don't work. It's fine. I'm fine.

[Dave Anthony]

To cover their identities, the kidnappers used fake accents. French, hello. In Italian. But they were not good at it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, them not being good at it is amazing.

[Dave Anthony]

Right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What were the accents?

[Dave Anthony]

French, Irish and Italians.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just like arm yard. Sorry. Where do you think the Murray gonna be?

[Dave Anthony]

Would you like a potential potato? Irish potato.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm a from a part of Italy. Better than never ever given a name to. You guys can just talk regular. Oh, we are where are talking? A bag of regular people. Very much so. It's how you don't know where we're from this far. How'd you jackify the chicken? How do you like to fry the chicken? What hushers here? What has here? Some more water.

[Dave Anthony]

Are you a bird?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We coming from Ireland all the time.

[Dave Anthony]

That's Ireland. More.

[Gareth Reynolds]

More. More.

[Dave Anthony]

More.

[Gareth Reynolds]

More. More. More.

[Dave Anthony]

You a muppet?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, after. Excuse my friend. He not know has accent to performance so much. What a nice. Get a nice. Have a bit more fire with your.

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hi. Hi. Not now. It's here. We are not American. We've never been to America.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay, don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, we never done American before. You from America before?

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You from America before?

[Dave Anthony]

Am I from America than before?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You are surprised. Hey, hey, cheer, bruh. Yes, it's Care. It's Care, bro. Yeah. Are you from here? No.

[Dave Anthony]

Once they got 200,000, which is 5 million in today's money. The gang dropped Bremer and had him take a bus and train home. Now I'm really mad yeah too. I don't fucking get on a bus.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He didn't even a train. This is just some guy stand up.

[Dave Anthony]

And then Bremer wouldn't tell the FBI very much. Either because the gang had threatened to kill his daughter. Or due to his connections to underworld figures who wanted kill him for the whole going back after probing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You said something to them. We're gonna take your daughter go by now.

[Dave Anthony]

Can you. Can we make an agreement that you can. You can kill her if you shut up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. No.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Trust us. You can be fine with this. It's gonna work out a real good for you. Just shut the up and you make it. Okay. Okay. You be quiet. Okay. What is your problem?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a spasmy ball is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I didn't know you're Italian.

[Dave Anthony]

So either way, he was very frustrating to interview for the feds. He did bitch to the FBI that quote all of his food was too well seasoned indicate indicating to him that a man who was inexperienced did the seasoning.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean behind like the partitioned mirror. He's watching like you know. It's just. The last guy said he liked it.

[Dave Anthony]

But Brehmer did memorize the house's distinct wallpaper. And the FBI went through 600,000 samples.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, fucking God.

[Dave Anthony]

Traced the purchase back to the Barker Carpus gang.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The microfiche.

[Dave Anthony]

No, no, no, no. I hate that one. No. Who does stripes? No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Clowns.

[Dave Anthony]

No. Clowns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

No. For kid, I guess. For the kids.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Still, it's not right.

[Dave Anthony]

Freak show giraffes. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

200,000 left

[Dave Anthony]

those penises.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A lot of these are penises. Super weird.

[Dave Anthony]

They also used a brand new tech. Silver nitrate to lift prints off ransom notes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, that. That sucks to be caught up in that first thing.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait.

[Dave Anthony]

What they did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's a fingerprint?

[Dave Anthony]

Huh?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Huh? What do you mean? These things. Oh, I guess they kind of do have lines.

[Dave Anthony]

The process of using fingerprints elevated the status of the FBI from dorks who needed cops to America's greatest detectives.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, such a dorky way to work out of being a dork.

[Dave Anthony]

Seriously.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now we know what your fingers look like. Congress silver on the paper.

[Dave Anthony]

Congress gave them more power. Leading to the FBI. We know and hate today. Creepy. And Fred Barker knew their fingerprints were all over the scene. So they had painful fingerprint mutilation surgery.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. For the first time. You better be good at this, Duck. He's dead. Fingerprint mutilation surgery. So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna cut all your fingers off.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay?

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

Sounds good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There you go.

[Dave Anthony]

An underworld doctor gave them cocaine, then sliced off the skin and even some muscle on their fingers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, is that not an admission of guilt like the FBI is? Like. Wait, what did you do? Oh yeah, we were all rock climbing. We went rock climbing.

[Dave Anthony]

Then they. Then they poured acid on the finger.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why? What. What was this guy? And now to just make sure it's okay.

[Dave Anthony]

It. It didn't work. Cuz the scars were now uniquely identifying. They had rare freaky scar fingers that

[Gareth Reynolds]

doctor sneaking up of the room like don't mind if I move. So why did he pour acid on him to like help cover it.

[Dave Anthony]

That'll do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He like cut their fingers off there. He's like a little bit of acid. Nobody will know what you.

[Dave Anthony]

Now we're going to burn him. Put him in a fire.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

And the feds could match Creepy's hands anyway since they had pictures from when he was in prison.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, he's just standing at you the. You have pictures of that?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, me?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't. I'm done picking up.

[Dave Anthony]

Good news is now I'm really creepy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can't. That is so great.

[Dave Anthony]

The gang split up and the first

[Gareth Reynolds]

guy to pitch it, he's like, I'll take their fingerprints off. Can you do that?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, no problem. The gang split up and went on the run. Their accomplices in St. Paul turned on them for lighter sentences. Squeal is. Yeah, well, Pig's Eye, Ma and Fred were killed in a gunfight. Creepy and Doc were caught and sent to Alcatraz.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The weird dwarfs, Snow White. Six of our dwarves are dead. Snow White.

[Dave Anthony]

And then a new anti corruption mayor was elected in St. Paul. Big Tom Brown was now under FBI investigation and hearings were held and he was implicated in in many crimes. He fought being fired, but the public was now very against him. And he was in the end fired but not prosecuted. He still got a pension and ran a tavern up north. But ultimately it was St. Paul business interests who got rid of the criminals. Ten companies worked with Howard Kahn at the Daily at the Daily News to raise a hundred thousand to fund an investigation. And they tap phones and got the entire department finished on corruption.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy shit.

[Dave Anthony]

The 1935 investigation led to tons of press and the whole operation collapsed. Dozens of cops and high ups were suspended, fired, or got prison and that was it. The O' Connor layover agreement lasted for 36 years.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Holy shit.

[Dave Anthony]

36 fucking years.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's fucking nuts.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean that's. That is a crazy amount of time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And how long would the with it actually work? It, like 20.

[Dave Anthony]

Definitely 20. But then after that it still kind of worked a little bit. Not as, not as well as it had before, but it was still a system in place that like you could go there and the cops wouldn't really bust you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. But you would be doing crime. Yeah. Right. So it doesn't work.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, it worked for the criminals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

You're thinking of people, correct? Yeah. We're talking about criminals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. We're talking about different stuff. Yep.

[Dave Anthony]

This is written by Josh Androwski. The sources. John Dillinger Slept Here by Paul Maccabee. The Minneapolis Star Tribune, the Big Fellow and the Cardinal by Robert O' Connor in 3am magazine. Keeping the Peace in St Paul by Joel Best. St Paul and the O' Connor System by J. A. Densley and Leave no Trace. Long history of criminals mutilating their fingers to try to evade capture.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't think I've ever wanted to read a book more. I would read that, but that's like the. I think that's the book I would like to read most out of any on this tour. It's like. Well, that didn't work either. That didn't work either. All right, everybody, thank you so much. Appreciate it.