740 - Alexander Hamilton - Part One

Summary

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

Episode 740: Alexander Hamilton - Part One
Release Date: June 30, 2026
Host Network: All Things Comedy

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Episode Overview

In this episode, comedians Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds take on the first half of Alexander Hamilton’s life. As always, Dave reads from history while Gareth reacts in real time, riffing irreverently on the colorful and often contradictory details of the story. This part—before Hamilton’s full immersion in politics and founding banking schemes—traces his tumultuous childhood, his rise from Caribbean obscurity, his social climbing in colonial America, and his outsized ego in both love and war. The tone is raucous, skeptical, and cheerfully profane—skewering “musical” versions of Hamilton’s legacy while digging into the messier historical reality.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hamilton’s Dubious Origins & Childhood Hardship

• Birth & Family Background ([04:31])

  • Hamilton born (1755 or 1757) in Nevis, West Indies to Rachel Fawcett and James Hamilton.
  • Father: "Jimmy was a failed Scottish merchant." – Dave Anthony [04:38]
  • Because Rachel’s divorce was on adultery grounds, she was forbidden to marry, and her sons were legally “bastards”—substantially limiting social mobility.

• Prejudices of the Era ([05:15])

  • Hamilton unable to attend formal school due to illegitimacy. Rachel hires private tutors.
  • Some Christian tutors refused to teach “bastards,” so Hamilton's first teacher was Jewish—a “Jewess.” ([08:14])
  • “So some of the stuff he learned was in Hebrew.” – Dave Anthony [08:30]
  • Both parents fell ill when Alexander was 11; mother dies—David and Gareth riff on the era’s grim medical treatments and fart jokes ([09:00-10:01]).

• Series of Family Tragedies ([10:47])

  • Orphaned, Hamilton and his brother passed between relatives, several of whom died or committed suicide.
  • "A lot of death… If you watch your mom fart to death, that's… that's brutal.” – Gareth [11:05]

2. Early Ambition, Education, and Leaving the Caribbean

• Early Responsibility & Class Consciousness ([14:04])

  • Hamilton worked as teen clerk for a merchant—handled sugar, wine, and enslaved people.
  • Realizes he can't rise socially without formal education.

• Community Sponsors His Future ([13:31])

  • Local businessmen impressed by his intellect & writing raise money for him to study in America.
  • "By the way, this all stinks of pedophilia now, doesn't it?” – Gareth [13:38] (The hosts comment on modern discomfort with wealthy men supporting gifted boys.)

• Arrival in America ([14:10])

  • Hamilton arrives in Boston at 18, lies about his age to seem younger.
  • Not a classic Ellis Island-type immigrant; moves from one British colony to another.

• Obstacles & Networking ([16:08-16:22])

  • Rejected by Princeton for gaps in education, goes to prep school in New Jersey, then King’s College (later Columbia).
  • Quickly ascends socially through written work and connections from the Caribbean.

3. Adaptation and Identity in New York

• Personal Reinvention ([16:38])

  • Hamilton keenly avoids mention of illegitimacy: “'My birth is the subject of the most humiliating criticism.'” – Dave [16:52]
  • Developed image as elegant, intelligent, and ambitious, despite “delicate frame” ([18:05])

• Habits & Social Impression ([18:31])

  • Noted for grace and compulsive self-muttering to memorize lessons.
  • A friend: "Refinement and grace which I have never witnessed in any other man." [18:13]

4. Hamilton, Revolution, & Writing

• Entry into Revolutionary Politics ([18:56])

  • Inspired by Sons of Liberty and the Boston Tea Party.
  • 1774: Publicly speaks against "taxation without representation"—leads to applause, crowd support.
  • Gareth and Dave lampoon him with “Hamilton: The Musical”-style lines ([19:25-19:47]).

• Written Combat with Loyalists ([20:16])

  • Hamilton publishes 35, then 80-page (!) rebuttals to pro-British tracts.
  • Gareth: "'TL;DR…'" ([20:46])
  • Early glimpses of Hamilton’s verbose, redundant, yet sharply snarky style.
  • Calls those opposing Congress “bad men” and refers to possible “absolute slavery”—hypocrisy given his involvement in slave economy ([21:16-21:31]).

5. Military Ambitions & War Experience

• Striving for Battlefield Glory ([22:05])

  • Joins the Continental Army as artillery captain; obsessed with uniforms and image.
  • “Nothing is more necessary than to stimulate the vanity of…soldiers…smart dress is essential.” – Quoting Hamilton [23:40]
  • Receives cover from powerful friends for battlefield blunders—“Our earliest war cover-up.” – Gareth [26:00]

• Close Shaves & Relationship with Washington ([28:06])

  • Multiple near-misses in battle; once thought dead after river escape.
  • Becomes Washington’s indispensable aide, effectively chief of staff (“principal and most confidential aide” [31:50]), but Washington keeps their relationship professional.
  • "He would sometimes put Washington's teeth in his mouth and suck hard enough so the food would come off?" – Gareth [31:50, joking]
  • “Alexander always called him ‘your excellency.’” ([32:28]) – Hosts point out the ironies of fighting monarchy with monarchical language.

6. Camp Life: Privileges and Social Life

• Disparity in Suffering ([34:31])

  • While regular soldiers starve at Valley Forge, officers enjoy comfort, balls, and the company of visiting society women.
  • Gareth: “They're just having full-on...orgies while these guys are outside.” [41:02]
  • “The second you get it, I mean, really...You're just like, we all need everything equally. And then you get a bigger slice of the pie and you're like, in second thought, it's not bad.” – Gareth [36:20]

• Hamilton’s Love Life: Myth vs Fact ([45:16])

  • Flirtatious letters to women may be exaggerated by history.
  • Hosts debunk tales, like Martha Washington naming her tomcat after Hamilton.
  • Notably, Hamilton’s letters to John Laurens far more intimate and emotionally charged than his letters to women—“I wish...that it might be in my power...to convince you that I love you.” [47:44]
  • Discussion of platonic vs. romantic contemporaneous male friendships ([50:11, 50:23]); still, the tone and secrecy around Laurens and later Lafayette suggest possible bisexuality.

7. Marriage and Social Climbing

• Engagement to Eliza Schuyler ([53:24–56:00])

  • Falls for—and quickly becomes engaged to—the rich, connected Eliza Schuyler while she’s visiting camp.
  • Letters to Eliza described as more tender than those to previous women—but delays telling Laurens about Eliza, suggesting complicated feelings.
  • "To me, that's the one that puts it over the edge for me, because you just tell a bro, yeah, I met a lady... you wouldn't tell your other piece, though." – Dave [57:08]
  • Marries into the Schuyler family, despite his "low birth" ([60:17]), gaining both social standing and a powerful base for his ambitions.

• Schuyler Family Intrigue ([59:07])

  • Hosts candid about the family's willingness to do shady things to protect their own, e.g., covering up sexual assault by paying off and banishing a woman to Quebec.

8. Toward Nation-building: Politics, Finance, and Hypocrisy

• Continued Ambition, Frustration, and Self-Interest ([63:20])

  • Returns to political role after the war, disgusted by Congress's weakness under the Articles of Confederation.
  • Wants a strong central government, a national bank, the power to tax, and sees national debt as “a blessing.”

• Hypocrisy in Tax Collection ([80:06])

  • Uses state tax collector job to secure personal commission, but rails against states keeping money from the federal government: "His ideology is based on personal interest." – Gareth [81:26]

• Setup for Mutiny – The Newburgh Conspiracy ([83:09])

  • Conspires with Madison and financier Robert Morris to rally for a federal tax by stoking mutiny among unpaid soldiers.
  • “It’s also just giving the game away of don’t do **** unless we’re scared.” – Gareth [83:52]
  • Washington diffuses the potential mutiny with an emotionally charged speech, foiling Hamilton’s plan to use the army as leverage.

9. Setting the Stage for Part Two

• Move Toward the Constitutional Convention ([86:08])
  • Hamilton becomes a leader advocating for a new form of government, proposing the three-branch system used today.
  • “He drafts a resolution for a Constitutional convention and proposed a national government with three the three branches of government we have today. And that is the end of part one.” – Dave [86:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Hamilton’s poetic skills: “One was about a devious woman that began, quote, Celia’s an awful. Celia’s an artful little slut.” — Dave Anthony [12:52]
• On pervasive sexism: “You look sometimes you go, boy, it really sure seems like women are mad about something. And when it comes to men...it's like a systemic failure that you can trace throughout history entirely.” – Gareth [06:24]
• On battlefield glory: "He races after being told that, he races back to his tent shouting, ‘We have it. We have it.’ That is so annoying." — Gareth [74:47]
• On social-climbing hypocrisy: “It seems like his ideology is based on personal interest.” – Gareth [81:26]
• On Hamilton’s personality: “He is a little bit know what he is? He’s the guy at the airport who goes up, complains non stop. Everyone’s so sick of him that they just give him the... And that is how it works here.” – Gareth [79:21]
• On the limits of idealism: “You cannot get away from the idea that the second someone gets a little bit of something, they want to keep it... The difference is like a billion dollars.” – Gareth [36:33]

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Important Timestamps

• 04:31 – Hamilton’s birth, illegitimacy, and difficulties of his early life.
• 10:01 – Mother’s death; inheritance legal battles.
• 14:04 – Becomes merchant clerk, develops ambitions for America.
• 16:38 – Arrival in New York; starts King’s College.
• 18:56 – Entry into revolutionary politics.
• 22:05 – Joins militia, obsesses over uniforms and image.
• 28:31 – Hamilton’s battlefield exploits and brushes with danger.
• 34:31 – Valley Forge: contrasts in suffering and privilege.
• 45:16 – Myths of Hamilton’s womanizing and letters to John Laurens.
• 53:24 – Meeting and marrying Eliza Schuyler; Schuyler family secrets.
• 63:41 – Political frustration, pushes for central government powers.
• 80:06 – Hypocrisy as tax collector; financial self-interest.
• 83:09 – The Newburgh Conspiracy and stoking military unrest.
• 86:08 – Hamilton’s emergence as constitutional leader; end of Part One.

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Tone, Style & Running Jokes

• Constant skewering of the mythic, sanitized “Hamilton” narrative—especially the musical’s omissions and glosses.
• Irreverent, modern analogies (“the earliest American war cover-up,” “Hamilton is the guy at airport check-in…”) and anachronistic humor (Hamilton “dancing for a trench” and celebrating like a modern athlete).
• Unapologetically sardonic about the founders’ hypocrisy regarding liberty and actual practices—from slavery to personal ambition.
• Playful running riffs on historical names, sexual innuendo, and repeated notes on how much worse—personally and politically—Hamilton is than the “musical” version.

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Closing Summary

This episode thoroughly subverts the sanitized Alexander Hamilton legend, revealing a deeply ambitious, often unscrupulous, and very flawed man whose rise was as much about exploiting social, economic, and personal connections as about talent. The Dollop duo, with their trademark blend of biting skepticism and slapstick banter, promise Hamilton only gets “worse” in part two—a less-than-flattering but deeply entertaining preview for listeners.

Transcript

[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

They think that I'm shiny.

[Dave Anthony]

I am a pie man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm Pete Rose and I only go to Gold's Gym. This one specifically.

[Dave Anthony]

Rumor is that his penis is broken

[Gareth Reynolds]

and show up where the taco bar was.

[Dave Anthony]

His brain just fucking exploded.

[Gareth Reynolds]

River of cheese. You been drinking any gnome juice?

[Dave Anthony]

No, officer. My dad had a fart chair.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, cover me.

[Dave Anthony]

You're listening to the Dollop. This an American history podcast where each week I, Dave Anthony, read a story from American history to a man I like to call the white Lionel Richie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Thank you so much. Of course, Gareth Reynolds, who has no idea what the topic is going to be about. Yeah, that's really nice. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

What.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What era?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, now, right now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He had real motion back in the day.

[Dave Anthony]

I know, but you've aged. I would, I would. A lot of people are describing you as having aged out. Now, I don't know what that means, but it's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course you don't.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a term that's old. Come on. I'm.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm getting AIARP stuff in the mail. Just complaining about the cloud for an hour.

[Dave Anthony]

The cloud they made the cloud was not working.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You can't get to the cloud. We should mention, Dave, that on Patreon we have a lot of great new stuff, including the Dollo up. We just shot our first judge, Dave. And so if you're interested in extra Dollop stuff, go to the Dollar Patreon and yeah, we will have a new podcast launching called Hollywood Hellscapes coming soon with Alex Burns and Corey Ryan Forrester. And that is a Patreon only show.

[Dave Anthony]

Corey's very funny. Alex is there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, thanks. That's. That's how people describe this. No. Yeah, it is. So we're very excited about that. So go to patreon.com search the dollop. We. Yeah, there's some really fun stuff. Oh, also, I had that conversation with the, the guy about the, the. The North Hollywood bank robbery and that, that. Who wrote the book on it, and that was pretty crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, I thought it was the Norco.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, it was Norco. Sorry. He. But he. I wasn't listening. But, but he. I mean, there are. First of all, he was like, did a great job. Oh, good. He was, he was like. I don't know how you got all that information because a lot of it wasn't out yet. But. But he's like met with everybody from, you know, all the survivors of the robbery and.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, that's cool.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. And. But he was really interesting. So there's that stuff now on Patreon, if you like, like us a lot. Which I do.

[Dave Anthony]

Which we're calling Patreon now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Because. Oh, do you not know what it is? Let me explain. It's a place for extra content. Okay. I'm not trying to be patrionizing, but that's what it is.

[Dave Anthony]

Anything else, gentlemen? I also am selling bait.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, Dave's a bait guy. Go ahead, shout the date.

[Dave Anthony]

January11. 1755. Maybe 1757.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. That's Bill Byer's birthday.

[Dave Anthony]

Year.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Year.

[Dave Anthony]

About 1750.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, no, he. I went to high school with him.

[Dave Anthony]

What's up, Bill? Alexander Hamilton.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no.

[Dave Anthony]

You're going to need to control yourself. I'm going to tell you right now. You need to behave yourself during this podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, no. In what? Wait a minute. I know what you think. Yeah, what do you think?

[Dave Anthony]

They're a little song.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You think it's gonna get songy? Yeah, it's not really a song. It's like a rap talk.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I just say up front that I knew about him. He's so much worse than I ever imagined.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, this is great. This is great news.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander Hamilton was born in Charlestown, Nevis.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No part of you wants to go Alexander Hamilton. None. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm a normal human being. Normal. A British island colony in the West Indies. Parents were Rachel Fossette and James Hamilton. Jimmy, I assume Jim. Jim was a failed Scottish merchant.

[Gareth Reynolds]

When did Jimbo start?

[Dave Anthony]

Well, whenever the name got to Australia.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's true.

[Dave Anthony]

Jimmy was a failed Scottish merchant. Rachel had a son from a previous marriage who was living with the dad. Okay, so James and Rachel.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What a rare paternal custody back.

[Dave Anthony]

Isn't that so.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's strange. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, but maybe he was like learning to be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, to be fair, I didn't want him to be with a Scott.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, no, that would be. Yeah, right. But also if he was learning a trade they would probably start like six.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

James and Rachel had two sons, but they couldn't marry, as she was still technically married.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The sons couldn't get married?

[Dave Anthony]

No. The boys, they couldn't marry each other. James and Rachel. And they have two kids, but they can't marry. The first son was James Jr, and the second was Alexander. Rachel's husband came back to ask for a divorce, and he said Rachel was, quote, whoring with everyone.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, a really?

[Dave Anthony]

That's how.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fair complaint.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that's how you get the divorce.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, I mean, look, I don't think that's the right. But I've said that in every one of my relationships.

[Dave Anthony]

Always.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, it's a. It just slips.

[Dave Anthony]

How does that not come out?

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's a bunch of stuff. But you've been. You've been horned with everybody.

[Dave Anthony]

A judge granted the divorce and punished Rachel, ruling that she could never marry again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, I. You look sometimes you go, boy, it really sure seems like women are mad about something. And when it comes to men in the world, and then the further you trace it back, it really is. It's like a systemic failure that you can trace throughout history entirely.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, that's weird because I was thinking dudes rock also.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Fair point. Fair counter. That was what happened in the court, your honor. He did this. He did this. Your honor, Dudes rock. Well, I can't argue with that. Gives him a beer. You woman.

[Dave Anthony]

Never get dick again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You've been horn around. Is that you've been horn with everybody.

[Dave Anthony]

The judge called her kids. Quote, children, I'm so glad you were drinking when I said that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, That is the most I spilled on an episode. That is what the. I love. It's just like when someone who's supposed to be wise and with authority is so stupid. It is the funniest.

[Dave Anthony]

It's really great.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Like if a doctor's just like, your guts is all tangly. Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

Poor children. So that meant officially, they're bastards.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God, that. Is that a judge?

[Dave Anthony]

A judge. Now, as a bastard, Alexander is not allowed formal schooling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God.

[Dave Anthony]

We can have a bastard running around learning.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my Lord.

[Dave Anthony]

So Rachel educates him with tutors. But some Christian tutors wouldn't teach bastards. So his first was a, quote, Jewess.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. You are real. By the way, you shouldn't be worried about a song in the first part. They are the children under duress. Regular people won't tutor. Get a Jewess some.

[Dave Anthony]

So some of the stuff he learned was In Hebrew.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

When Alexander was 11, James Bales.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Scottish dad, he never.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he never sees him again. But they did write a little bit.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Real dad, Scottish dad.

[Dave Anthony]

His real dad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, gotcha. Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

In 17, by the way, my pilot,

[Gareth Reynolds]

real dad, Scottish dad, did not get picked up.

[Dave Anthony]

See, that's because my unreal dad, Irish dad, did.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That says a lot.

[Dave Anthony]

In 1768, Alexander and his mom came down with a fever.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's gonna die.

[Dave Anthony]

They're convalescing in the same bed or illing in the same bed. She run dmc and then she got an herb to help with the fever, but it caused awful flatulence. So she's just farting like crazy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Better than deathbed.

[Dave Anthony]

But he got enemas and bloodletting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sorry, I just need to be very clear. He's sick. From what she has.

[Dave Anthony]

They're both sick with the same thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So. So they're sharing a bed. She's just.

[Dave Anthony]

She took the herb, farting away like a cow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he's just getting enemas. And he's 11.

[Dave Anthony]

He's getting stuff shoved up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's getting. And what did. What did they. It's amazing that enemas have been around that long. What are they putting in you at that time?

[Dave Anthony]

Water, I assume. It's coffee, I would imagine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I would imagine it's the blood. They let.

[Dave Anthony]

They take the blood out and they put it up the butt.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

This is gonna hurt and be a little weird.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Wow. That's an awesome. That's great.

[Dave Anthony]

And then she died.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

So her ex husband then comes back in and gets a judge to give her entire estate to their son.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, she was touring around.

[Dave Anthony]

Give it to the.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is whore property.

[Dave Anthony]

So now at that time, he called Alexander and Alexander's brother, quote, obscene. Children born after the diseased person's divorce.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. What the. Dude. So I could hear Kavanaugh saying this, but it's still. It would be news.

[Dave Anthony]

It's all those guys, they would all say this. Yeah, this is. This is like straight out of Ben Shapiro's mouth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Very simply. I mean, she. Disease in a horbed.

[Dave Anthony]

They went. They were sent to live with a cousin. And a little while after that, he killed himself. And then another cousin, another cousin stepped in to help, but then he died after.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't know where this story is actually headed, but it feels that justified for how he turns out so far.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, it's not a great start.

[Gareth Reynolds]

A lot of death.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you watch your mom fart to death, that's. That's brutal.

[Dave Anthony]

That's actually how my dad went.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No, James was alive and that's not how he went.

[Dave Anthony]

James was then apprenticed to a carpenter, and Alexander was taken in by a wealthy merchant named Stephen Thomas. Sorry. Thomas Stevens.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

It's never. It's never good. It's never good when a young guy

[Gareth Reynolds]

goes in with a rich guy.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. At 14, a merchant firm hired Alexander as a clerk. He had a lot of responsibility for a team, keeping books, charting the shipping routes, supervising the purchase of merchandise like sugar and wine and people.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Great. The three top three big bigs. Big, big gifts.

[Dave Anthony]

He knew he. I never thought about that. They gave him his gifts 100%. Put it terrible.

[Gareth Reynolds]

100.

[Dave Anthony]

Happy Valentine's Day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you think? He was a bit big, isn't he? Yes. I wasn't.

[Dave Anthony]

He knew never be able to rise higher without a formal education. And he was desperate to make something of himself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And at first podcast.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, right. At 14, he was wishing for a war so he could distinguish himself as a soldier and use the military to. To rise up his station.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. I mean, that does make some sense with the nightmare he's in.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Alexander was very smart and he impressed important men on the island. Reverend Hugh Knox was especially taken with him and took him under his wing. Let him read his library, teach him how to hone his writing skills. And Alexander had a talent for poetry and he published pieces in local papers. One was about a devious woman that began, quote, celia's an awful. Celia's an artful little slut.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. Oh, God. Just terrible.

[Dave Anthony]

What do you mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The fact that it's like that it's like worked out. It's just hit him so clearly. Yes. I don't know where that's coming from. My childhood, it was full of slander on women.

[Dave Anthony]

A hurricane hit the island and Alexander wrote about it in a letter to his father, which Knox read and he was so impressed, he got it published in a local gazette.

[Gareth Reynolds]

This hurricane was a gaping hole door.

[Dave Anthony]

What a slut.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my Lord.

[Dave Anthony]

This convinced many of that Alexander had promise and several businessmen then agreed to finance his education in America.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, this all stinks of pedophilia now, doesn't it? Yeah, it. It. We are now hearing that a guy is doing anything for a child out of goodness or an eye for talent.

[Dave Anthony]

We can't, we absolutely cannot hear it from without that angle.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Any rich guy now who's like, let me help this child. It's like, you stay the away. You understand me? We Know what you're doing? N. Try.

[Dave Anthony]

So they want him to go to America, hoping that he'd become a doctor and then come back to the island. That was their.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So he leaves for Boston at 18, which is a bit too old to start university then.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Amazing.

[Dave Anthony]

Some biographers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You're almost dead, fool.

[Dave Anthony]

Some biographers believe this led him to take two years off his age.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, great.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's not an immigrant like those who would later, you know, come to Ellis Island. Like the classic immigrant, we think.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

He just moved from one British colony to another. Okay, so he was a British citizen moving to another British colony. So. But considered an immigrant, but not, like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Not. Not fresh off.

[Dave Anthony]

Not the ones that were arresting for being immigrants. Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Which is now just fully criminalized.

[Dave Anthony]

Criminalized.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He moved from Boston.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

Is it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just a very strange.

[Dave Anthony]

SCOTUS just handed down a ruling today.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And they said that. That you can't. You can deny asylum and you can limit the number of people seeking asylum per day.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And this is what I find.

[Dave Anthony]

You know what's interesting about that is they're all. Trump used who to argue that Obama. Because Obama did that. So he got to use that place.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We all. We love Obama. Stop this stuff. Very big fans of Obama. It's.

[Dave Anthony]

It's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What I find interesting is that it's a court made up of criminals.

[Dave Anthony]

Psychopaths.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Total psychopaths who should. Should be institutionalized and not be in charge of areas.

[Dave Anthony]

I like a lady who was raised

[Gareth Reynolds]

in a cult, showered with her dad until 13. I like that.

[Dave Anthony]

How about a couple of rapists?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. One guy who kept a calendar about it. Hey, me and Squeeb held her down.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus. Okay, so he. He moved from Boston to New Jersey because the guy paying for him wanted me. They wanted to go to Princeton, but Princeton rejects him because he has gaps in his education. So he ends up going to a prep school in Elizabeth, New Jersey.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

And he impressed the professors and student. He's very quick, he's very smart, and he climbs the society's ladder using introduction letters from Hugh Knox. He's also very good at networking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He went to many of the same parties as a man, a young guy named Aaron Burr.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

But then he gets rejected again by Princeton, and now he's pissed, and he moves to Manhattan to go to King's College.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Which becomes Columbia. He was desperate to create a new Persona for himself in New York, and he's. He rarely speaks of his past. And once writing quote my birth is the subject of the most humiliating criticism.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So the. Yeah, well I. I got a sense that it was scarlet lettered from the beginning.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. I mean it's not a great story.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That. That's. That's one of those. That's a very easy thing to just say and take a man down easily. Despite how my hearty works.

[Dave Anthony]

So you were a bastard.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm in the middle of a dissertation.

[Dave Anthony]

But he wasn't really about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He died. Your mother died from farting because she was so loose. Isn't that right? You better fought away to death.

[Dave Anthony]

Exactly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It doesn't work. What was it like to hear the final. Do you ever think back to the final fart? Like Alaska Gasp. Was it a sad. Do you think on that last fart the soul left the. Let me. Let me do an impression of your mother's last fart and tell me if it's close. Is that familiar? Boy?

[Dave Anthony]

No.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. You're not Princeton material.

[Dave Anthony]

So he grows up to be a handsome young man. He's 57 tall for the time. Reddish hair, deep blue eyes. Has a graceful way of moving.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, did he?

[Dave Anthony]

A friend said he moved with a quote, refinement and grace which I have never witnessed in any other man.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is.

[Dave Anthony]

He was one of the most elegant of mortals.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have you ever looked at a friend of yours move and been like this? Grace?

[Dave Anthony]

Luke.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's just.

[Dave Anthony]

He spent every morning walking outside muttering lessons to himself to memorize them. Talking to himself to organize his thoughts. Became a lifelong habit. When some people thought he'd lost his mind when he'd do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

But that's actually a really good way. Like really smart people actually talk to themselves. Apparently I do that all the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't at all. I'm always talking.

[Dave Anthony]

I just stare at myself quietly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh my God. Turning the lights on and off until the bulbs break.

[Dave Anthony]

He studied anatomy at first but was swept into politics after the Boston Tea Party. Same when the British punished Boston by using the intolerable. Intolerable acts. In 1774, Alexander spoke at a large gathering on campus held by the Sons of Liberty. He spoke against taxation without representation and for a boycott on British goods. And the crowd, you know. Applause, cheering.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, and I'm sure it was just like. I mean that had to be the. He had to do that Hamilton style. No taxation without representation, you know.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, no. Go on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are we going to put inside the teapot? I recommend a real boycott.

[Dave Anthony]

What are we going to put in the teapot?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I recommend if it's not the tea. Because of the tax.

[Dave Anthony]

Hold on, I'm trying to make.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think the British are just coming with a tax.

[Dave Anthony]

Hold on, I'm trying to make sense of the teapot thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's no need to go back and think about it more. Don't talk about my mother. She was a big winner. What winner? You bastard. Sorry. That's me.

[Dave Anthony]

So. So he's playing to the crowd. It became clear that the war with Britain was imminent. And after loyalist Samuel Seabury wrote an article trashing the boycotts, Alexander anonymously published a 35 page pamphlet, a full vindication of the measure of Congress that skillfully rebutted Seabury's arguments. So CB Seabury writes back and then Alexander does two and that time he writes an 80 page reply.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's such a tldr. That is the. That it's like if someone texts you and you got to click the. More at the bottom. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you didn't do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sorry. You up. I don't. I don't do this anymore.

[Dave Anthony]

It's the. It's the going past 180 characters on Twitter.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. It's like you look, it's. Sorry

[Dave Anthony]

if. And this one calls the farmer refuted. I don't know. He called those opposing Congress bad men and worried that the colonies were under threat of absolute slavery.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is for people who willfully and gladly held slaves.

[Dave Anthony]

It's ironic. It's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's strange for him to be like, if we're not careful, they may take away our dignity. More sugar?

[Dave Anthony]

He agreed dependence on a British king was, quote, just and rational and that war should be avoided. Did you miss? Did you?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, no, I heard it. I mean, I think it's his writing. Bad take.

[Dave Anthony]

His writing was astute, powerful, but also snarky. Also, quote, redundant and overly long.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, eight.

[Dave Anthony]

That's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's when you say the 80 pages, you know, or the 35. I mean that is.

[Dave Anthony]

He would do that his whole life.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it's verbose.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. His pamphlets made a splash in the very conservative loyalist leaning New York.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Loyalist, meaning they are the appropriate.

[Dave Anthony]

Six weeks later, war erupted. Alexander joined a New York militia unit and they drilled before classes. He kept writing opinion pieces, but wanted. But he wanted reconciliation between the colonies and Britain. And that seemed behind the times that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is such a. The Chamberlainy way. Like it's just so funny. Like, guys, we can all get along.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's fine.

[Dave Anthony]

Let's just have a king.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I talked to Hitler. He's gonna chill out. Okay. He signed this thing.

[Dave Anthony]

He really looked behind the times. After Thomas Paine published Common Sense, questioning why colonists should bend the knee to the king. But Alexander was content for Americans to be subservient to the king as long as they were treated fairly, as kings do. That's the thing about kings, they're very fair.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the Democrats.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, this was in line with conservative thinking, but not the majority of Americans. So American soldiers seized King's College to use as a military hospital. And this meant his teenage wish for war was here. And he wants glory.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's right. It's time.

[Dave Anthony]

Using his connections, he joined the Confederate. Sorry, the Continental army as a captain and a commander of a New York artillery company in 1776.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He wanted his men to look brave and righteous.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The look is important.

[Dave Anthony]

The look is very important.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, huh? Nothing is more necessary than to stimulate the vanity of. Of soldiers. To this end, smart dress is essential.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No flu vacs.

[Dave Anthony]

I forget. I was talking to a friend about bands, and he was, it's about this. And he pointed a picture. It was like, for a band. And they were all dressed the same. He goes, that's what it's about. I was just like, that's not so crazy. It's about music.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So crazy. The outfits, it's about what they're wearing. Well, you're just. You have PTSD from doing a podcast where you had a uniform. The I, I having done this show with you, this, like, the idea of ever insisting or pushing you to wear a costume is the funniest thing. Crazy, right? That could possibly happen.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I agree to be like, where's your clown outfit? That saying that to you? And then. And then you doing it is a different version.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It shows in 10 minutes. When are you going to put your clown stuff on?

[Dave Anthony]

So Alexander ended up raising funds for nice blue and buff uniforms. Looks sharp.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sharp.

[Dave Anthony]

A few months later, a huge British fleet encircled the city and invaded. There were a few American casualties. The only ones were several in Alexander's company. It's interesting, as he commanded them to fire cannons.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't get the suits dirty. No ducking. There'll be no. No, no, no. Stand up. Hold on. All right. Oh, we've got blood all over. Marty got bloody. Marty. Oh, Sam did, too.

[Dave Anthony]

Marty and catch up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Marty and Sam have ruined their uniforms.

[Dave Anthony]

Jesus Christ. Okay, we're done. We lost.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's it. It's over. The war is over. There's nothing left to say. Maybe we'll go to bed and we'll fight another Day. Alexander Hamilton.

[Dave Anthony]

This is what I was talking about.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Alexander Hamilton.

[Dave Anthony]

So there's a lack of discipline. Discipline which led to one of the cannons blowing up, killing and injury injuring several men. It was likely a result of Alexander's poor command. But it seems that he was shielded by important friends and never had to answer for it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So it's close to friendly. Friendly.

[Dave Anthony]

The earliest American guy getting away with it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, right, right. Yeah. Our earliest war cover up.

[Dave Anthony]

He and his men were almost trapped.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, where are those two pilots?

[Dave Anthony]

Pilots?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Never mind. Remember the, the plane that got downed in Iran.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh yeah, that's funny. And his men were almost trapped twice in other battles, but they luckily got away once they were saved when a young O officer led them to safety while evading detection to rejoin George Washington forces in Harlem Heights. The soldier who led them was Aaron Burr. Okay, meet cute.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It is a meet cute there.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander came to Washington. Washington's attention. He watched Alexander organize soldiers to build defenses. And when the American army divided, Alexander was picked to join Washington defend to defend New Jersey. So they're dog.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What is the, the, the strategy of war? That is so. I mean you had a musket and it was just kind of like go over there, stay low.

[Dave Anthony]

Well you're, you're trying to move men around and get into an advantageous place. Right. Shoot at the other guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. But that's really what it is. Nobody's just like, we move at six, we're gonna go.

[Dave Anthony]

Well they're trying to get right the important things. Forts and, and supplies.

[Gareth Reynolds]

His mother died from forts.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm gonna take off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I can do it. Leave the freaking iPad. I'll figure it out.

[Dave Anthony]

So they're being chased by the British. Sometimes Alexander's military company was at the rear, leaving a city as the British entered. And he would attack the British then race to rejoin the main army over and over and over again. And he impressed high ranking officers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So that's kind of what it was. He would leave an area, go back, attack him, then take off again. And they're like.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He was like the ones left behind to shoot at them to slow him down.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right, right.

[Dave Anthony]

And he impressed high ranking officers despite his quote delicate frame which made him look younger than he was. One said he looked like a quote, mere striping who marched, apparently lost in thought with his hands resting on a cannon and every now and then patting it as if it were a favorite horse or a pet play thing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's super weird. Obviously. Right?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good boy.

[Dave Anthony]

What have you got there?

[Gareth Reynolds]

This is My friend. This is Canon Kenny. Kenny. Kenny, my boy.

[Dave Anthony]

For Washington's famous surprise attack at Trenton on December 26, 1776, Alexander was one of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He probably said something different and they couldn't. Like he's saying, go, Go, go now. Oh, no, no, no. What a sneak attack. Washington.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander was one of the soldiers who quietly crossed the Delaware the preceding night. This victory was a major lift to the American psyche, and Washington stopped to take winter quarters in Morristown. He pleaded for food and clothes from Congress as his soldiers were so malnourished and pathetically clothed that a British secretary referred to them as, quote, ragamuffins.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now we wait to do that when they come back from combat.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We've changed.

[Dave Anthony]

That's an advancement.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. We've come a long way.

[Dave Anthony]

Maybe after you get back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's. Now when you get back, you have to beg for clothes and help.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Because.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And we are vaccinating them again, are we? I believe there's some movement in the. They realize that was a movement in the direction.

[Dave Anthony]

I can't believe the most.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm not sure what happened.

[Dave Anthony]

That's weird. Illness was rampant and struck down many men, including Alexander, who for weeks had a severe illness. He was one of 25 out of 68 men in his company to survive that first year. Wow.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's pretty good. Pretty weird.

[Dave Anthony]

Is it good?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's good in the sense that you make it. I mean, that shows that you're kind of under half. Yeah, but that's for. As far as getting close to people. It's bad. I mean, it's kind of squid gamed.

[Dave Anthony]

It's closer to a third and a half. Sure of livings.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So. But you got to feel good about. Yeah, you feel good about yourself, but not.

[Dave Anthony]

But because the overall thing, the numbers

[Gareth Reynolds]

are bad, but you feel good about yourself pulling through.

[Dave Anthony]

Once he was recovered, Washington asked Alexander to become an ed de camp.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'd like it to be kind of.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander said no. He was chasing glory, and he didn't think he'd find it as an administrative assistant so funny. But after a month, he took the job because if the war was won, Washington would be a celebrated leader and he's right there by his side.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he's making a career decision.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. At 22, it's called Fetterman.

[Dave Anthony]

Wayne.

[Gareth Reynolds]

John.

[Dave Anthony]

John

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wayne. No, not a Wayne Fetterman.

[Dave Anthony]

Did I just pull out the most obscure comedian?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Man. Funny.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he's very funny.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God, is Wayne Fetterman funny. John Fetterman funny too, in a different way. Just a different kind of sensible humor.

[Dave Anthony]

So at 22, he's promoted to lieutenant colonel. And he. He wrote Washington's letters and delivered his messages. And he excelled at it. He became indispensable to Washington, who called him his, quote, principal and most confidential aide.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Is it true that he would sometimes put Washington's teeth in his mouth and suck hard enough so the food would come off?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, that was one of his main jobs.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Dave Anthony]

Despite being the youngest of the staff, he began acting as what we'd call a chief of staff today. Confident enough to answer Washington to other generals in Congress, sometimes without even running by Washington. But Washington, he still held them at arm's length. They worked closely for years, but it was always professional, not friend.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Chief of staff is a little different now. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Now they kiss.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now you're supposed to kiss them.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander always called him your excellency.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. So we've gotten away from the monarchy. Super glad we fought that thing.

[Dave Anthony]

Your highness hammered you crown.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. Alexander, he kind of wore a crown in his mouth. Yeah, a little bit, sort of.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Alexander was loved by his fellow aides and soldiers who called him hammy. Very, very Australian.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Various hemo he did have. I'm now going to drink a beer out of my shoe. It's a shoey. Feels like we've done something big.

[Dave Anthony]

What's going on over there?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

He did have some real brushes with danger.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

At the battle of Brandywine, he was by Washington's side as they lost horribly. And he stayed with him until it got dark.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Another time, while destroying flour mills on a river, the British shot at Alexander and other soldiers. He jumped overboard into the frigid water and was carried away. And the cyber survivors came back and said he had died.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Man. Imagine if he died.

[Dave Anthony]

A wild celebration erupted later that night when a soaking shivering Alexander walked through the door.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello. Wow. That's crazy.

[Dave Anthony]

That's the origin of the Lenny and Squiggy entrance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now you're talking about references that are obscure. God, it would have been. So imagine where would Lin Manuel Miranda be without if he died? I would love to see that butterfly effect.

[Dave Anthony]

That's actually the most tragic thing about Hamilton is the success of. Of Miranda.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Well really the idea that it's people are like, yeah, Hamilton.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, especially when we get to the end of this gonna be like, oh. So in the winter of 1777, Washington's army set up camp at Valley Forge. And it's a horrific situation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Malnourishment and disease are rampant. 2500 die in three months. Wow, that's a lot. And you gotta eat everyone

[Gareth Reynolds]

that dies, get to eating.

[Dave Anthony]

In the army, if a guy dies not from wounds.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The ground's too cold to bury. We will eat.

[Dave Anthony]

Eat the boys. We will eat the b. Alexander was disgusted with Congress's inability to force states to send aid. And he wished America had a strong, powerful central government to make the state support the war.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's so funny. Just be so great to take these guys to now. It just.

[Dave Anthony]

He would love now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He would. Oh. Because it's kind of the perfect combo.

[Dave Anthony]

He set this all up. This is all his dream. Literally everything about America now is what he wanted.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hope he's happy because it's going really good.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, he's really happy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Terrorists are attacking ponds with algae bombs.

[Dave Anthony]

This impacted his political philosophy forever. So seeing all the suffering of the soldiers, not being able to get them made, he's like, we, you know, we need a strong government.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I've got it.

[Dave Anthony]

What?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'll do it.

[Dave Anthony]

No, but Alexander Washington, the staff were not subject to the same conditions. Alexander spent that Valley Forge winter in a two story home with a few aids. Washington staff and high ranking officers never went without meat, vegetables or wine.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow. It's. You know, it, it's remarkable obviously because you're still in the midst of fighting this for. For. For what? You, you know, to get away from the sort of tiered society or.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, having one. And the second you get it mean it really is. You're just like, we all need everything equally. And then you get a bigger slice of the pie and you're like in second thought,

[Dave Anthony]

it's not bad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean it's got some be. I like it. How do you get away from that? You don't. You cannot get away from the idea that the second someone gets a little bit of something, they want to keep it. Yeah. Like I, I mean again, I'm not. If you. I'm not going to get into it. But it is very funny to see the transformation of Joe Rogan from Guy who wants to know why everything's so up to Guy who's like, quit asking. And the difference is like a billion dollars.

[Dave Anthony]

So. During a battle in Philadelphia, the British surprisingly outnumbered the Americans.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Batteries are being thrown.

[Dave Anthony]

And General Lee, Santa's dead. Then ordered a retreat or a regroup. For a regroup. Okay, so a tactical retreat. Not it's a retreat, not a runaway screaming retreat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a little very similar. It's not well, like you're not giving up, but you're definitely like.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, it's like saying, go, we gotta pull.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a timeout.

[Dave Anthony]

This is a mess. Pull back up to the hill and we'll get sure information and start over.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, look, it's not a treat.

[Dave Anthony]

That's how I would do it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's you.

[Dave Anthony]

No, you always be retreating and regrouping.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You would be like, let's go. No, I think you would.

[Dave Anthony]

When Alexander saw this, he was upset, even though it was an ordinary orderly retreat. So then Washington rides up and he scolds Lee and takes away his command.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

And then does exactly what Lee was doing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? He's like, all right, what are we gonna do? Let's go back. Let's figure this out.

[Dave Anthony]

So Alexander's in the middle of the battle. He makes a very strong impression. Several people recalled his bravery, only withdrawing when his horse was shot from under him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hmm.

[Dave Anthony]

Evenly. Who really disliked him, admitted that he had fought in a, quote, frenzy of valor.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. All right. There's something.

[Dave Anthony]

So you like this shit?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I feel like for the British here, yeah. It's really. In retrospect, who the fuck knows? I don't know. Just save us the headache. We probably. At least we wouldn't have to stand up for the anthem at games. How much longer can that go on?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know, but I. I just can't stand watching these guys flip out about the scripture on their hat. And then if anybody did that with the military.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait, what do you mean?

[Dave Anthony]

You know, the. The giants who put the scripture on their head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

[Dave Anthony]

If you did that with. If you wouldn't wear a military hat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, sometimes it does feel like there is a double standard for what kind of outspeak is. Okay. Yes. And what is not. Y. Are we doing freedom of speech or Kaepernick? Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So as the soldiers are suffering in cold huts at the camp, Alexander was partying with officers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God, they look cold, huh? More soup, anyone? More soup?

[Dave Anthony]

Maybe we should. I don't know, since they're so cold and freezing out there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Have put another log on our fire.

[Dave Anthony]

What's it called? The Russian soup thing? Borsch.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Borsch. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Should we borsch?

[Gareth Reynolds]

We should borsch. So he's covering up your hangover the next morning after you ate. Well, they're all like, I thought so. Oh, yeah. So cold. I still can't feel my.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my head hurts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, your head hurts.

[Dave Anthony]

I get it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What did you Mean, I can't even feel my head.

[Dave Anthony]

Do you know where the Gatorade is?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

I need like a nice greasy breakfast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Where would we get a breakfast? We ate the horse. We ate a cold. We ate a cold horse's penis. Oh, you know, we ate the cold horse's penis last night.

[Dave Anthony]

Little tail of a dog. You know what I mean?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Bloody Mary's Bloody Perry.

[Dave Anthony]

Good idea.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm bloody right now. Okay, let's just.

[Dave Anthony]

I'll see you later.

[Gareth Reynolds]

My finger just popped off.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, no. I'm gonna go get a nice Bloody Mary.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why the hell is wrong with you? Boy, they're really going through it out there.

[Dave Anthony]

You're ruining the morning party. So he wasn't just partying with officers, but their. The officers, sisters and daughters would visit. So they're like, just giddy up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. They're just having full on, like, me orgies while these guys are outside.

[Dave Anthony]

Like, it's not uncommon during fighting LS for families to visit and for the officers to put on balls and plays.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, just everybody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So. So wait, the officers, meaning the. The. The upper crust of the.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So these guys are just on a break. Like, hang in there. We. We will see through.

[Dave Anthony]

We just watched Death of a Salesman.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you doing?

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, my God.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It was incredible. Unbelievable. You have to see George tomorrow.

[Dave Anthony]

Shakespeare. We don't know which one. Don't tell us.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you humming? Aladdin. Have you seen it? Oh, you're not one of us. It's phenomenal. It is phenomenal,

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth. The Guardian newspaper. Or is it a newspaper anymore?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Whatever, the Guardian news already nailing this.

[Dave Anthony]

It's not owned by a billionaire, which is, I guess, unusual these days. Like, it's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, the, The.

[Dave Anthony]

The.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The idea here is why you bring it up, Dave, is because there's a way to keep journalistic integrity rather than, you know, just kind of being like one guy's little fantasy letter.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. So that's why we're excited to tell you about the Guardians new podcast, Stateside with Kai and Carter.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's right, Dave. Kai Wright and Carter Sherman want to slow the news down.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. So they're going to wrestle with questions that we all have about what is going on in the world.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I don't have a lot of questions personally, but they seem to be into it. So Stateside with Kyan Carter airs three times per week because there's always something to discuss. Discuss.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Kai and Carter, they get access to the Guardians resources in the US and then reporters around the world and they deliver you, deliver you the most relevant information.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Think global content across news, international coverage, climate, culture, sports culture, cultures on there twice. Climate, lifestyle, fashion, wellness.

[Dave Anthony]

As a media outlet. The Guardian isn't billionaire owned, meaning they're free to report the facts.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube.

[Dave Anthony]

Gareth the summer changes how I dress. I just, I start dressing differently. I want, I want lighter clothes. I want breathable, easy looks good, right? Look, you know I like to look good.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know what you're talking about. I've never been someone who is like, hey, you need different clothes for this time. With Quints, it actually makes sense the items they're offering. I don't know if it's that I'm getting older or Quint is getting better. I got some shorts and a shirt from Quince for the spring summer season and I was like, this is right.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, I got, I got linen pants and shirts. I've kind of got the linen guy. I have a lean in a linen now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm a lean into linen.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

Can't say enough about how much I love quints. I pretty much only wear quince.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

They're aware of the environment, they work with local people. It's all cheaper than it would be with with other companies. The quality's high. They're having a moment and I don't mind. I don't mind having them all over my body.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

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[Dave Anthony]

How would the Founding Fathers feel about today's America?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's the most American thing? And what will America look like at 500? Join our celebration this week on Lunatic.

[Dave Anthony]

In the newsroom, charismatic and handsome wives tried to play matchmaker between Alexander and eligible young ladies. He was always surrounded by women. He was a huge flirt, but his supposed obsession with women is probably overblown. Like today, we think he's obsessed, but it's probably overblown. One lie is that Martha Washington was so struck by his promiscuity that she named her tomcat after him. So that's not true.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Her tomcat?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What's a tomcat?

[Dave Anthony]

It's a dude cat.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, a male cat.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a. It's a. It's a rascally.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Rascally.

[Dave Anthony]

He's out there looking for business. Tomcat. Sure.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

As a gifted writer, his flowery letters probably didn't mean much other than he was a good writer.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's super close with another aide, John Lawrence. And when Lawrence went to fight in South Carolina, Alexander really missed him.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are you.

[Dave Anthony]

Unlike his letters to women.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Really.

[Dave Anthony]

When he wrote John, he discussed intimate emotional feelings and longing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I. Are. Are we framing this as gay?

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, we are.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Because I'll tell you what. I think there is also. I'm not saying it's not true, but there is something to the idea of, like, a woman wouldn't understand emotion, only another man.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh, I think. Yeah. I think that was actually part of this at the time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. They were like, the woman's brain is only able to stir and fuck. She will otherwise be overwhelmed and get theories of government that are impermissible.

[Dave Anthony]

She understands cooking carrots.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's good at stirring, cutting, fucking and lying. We must be careful.

[Dave Anthony]

Slap that money out of our hands.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, imagine if someone put a vagina on a Roomba. That's a woman. Boys.

[Dave Anthony]

He called John, my dear.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But you and I call each other honey.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Quote, I am disgusted with everything in this world but yourself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, I. Look, I'm very. Listen, yeah, we're allies. I'm pro. I'm pro him being gay back then. But I also feel like they were very. They were. They felt they had nobody else. But maybe you're right.

[Dave Anthony]

He called himself. I mean, he is a musical, a quote, jealous lover. And told John, quote, my heart is set upon you. I wish, my dear Lawrence, that it might be in my power by action rather than words, to convince you that I love you. Now, where.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah, he's gay. I don't know about Lawrence. I don't know about Lawrence, but Hamilton's definitely into him.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, and you should not have taken advantage of my sensibility to steal into my affections without my consent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

So he's not gay. He's bi.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

But he sounds very bi.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Alexander asked Washington if he could go be with Lawrence in South Carolina. And Washington refused.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For what purpose?

[Dave Anthony]

I've grown an attachment.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I just need to help him with his plans.

[Dave Anthony]

Every day I need to touch his skin.

[Gareth Reynolds]

For what? For what purpose?

[Dave Anthony]

To start the fight against the what fight.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But if he's out there fighting, what is.

[Dave Anthony]

Hey, do you know what the. Do you know what the Wonder Twins are?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The water twins?

[Dave Anthony]

Wonder Twins?

[Gareth Reynolds]

The Wonder Twins.

[Dave Anthony]

They touch and then they form of ice cannon.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You'll stay here and I'll just stay here. You'll stay here because I don't understand. There's no purpose for you to go there with him, so you will stay here with us.

[Dave Anthony]

I want to fucking.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What? Him? Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

What are you talking about? Like his bros. Do you want to bro him? Yeah. Not like.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But you're always surrounded by women. You're a big lutario.

[Dave Anthony]

Not like in a gay way.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Like way soldiers. Each other.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What are you talking.

[Dave Anthony]

When they're in a tent.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What?

[Dave Anthony]

Accidentally?

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you mean?

[Dave Anthony]

Did you never.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What else?

[Dave Anthony]

With another dude? No, it's just Martha and I. Washington, come on.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Martha and I have. Martha and I have a very.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, look, you take those teeth out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes. And that's the only thing I'll do.

[Dave Anthony]

It wasn't uncomic uncommon for platonic male friends to write each other with more romantic language than bros. You today. Which I think is what the point you're making is that. That they're not going to open up to women. Because women aren't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes, because it's like. Look, you can't tell a mollusk. You love it. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

But his writings to John has led some historians to believe there was more to it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. Okay. So we don't know, but it seems like potentially there was something.

[Dave Anthony]

Years later, his son called it, quote, a deep fondness of friendship which approached the tenderness of feminine attachment.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what it is? It's a goose Maverick. It's a goose maverick.

[Dave Anthony]

Never seen it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's a goose maverick. They are there for each other. They work together. But you know what? They're also going to go out there and respect each other's bodies when they're doing the shirtless volleyball stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Much like a deep fried mozzarella stick. I Have never seen that film.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You've never seen a deep fried mozzarella snack?

[Dave Anthony]

No, I've never seen that movie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You've never eaten a deep fried mozzarella stick?

[Dave Anthony]

Hot. Hot buns.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, it would be great.

[Dave Anthony]

I had my. My grand uncle's Is a hot. Was a Top Gun. So I.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Maybe. Maybe we do this. Yeah, maybe one afternoon. We can do it for Patreon. We don't have to. I'm gonna come over with 40 mozzarella sticks with pop tough gun on, and we just do this.

[Dave Anthony]

Come over where?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Your house. Here.

[Dave Anthony]

We're out. You're out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll do it here.

[Dave Anthony]

No, there's nothing. There's no we can't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's no we can't.

[Dave Anthony]

No. There's a.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What do you mean?

[Dave Anthony]

There's a rule against it here.

[Gareth Reynolds]

There's not.

[Dave Anthony]

No. When we signed the lease, they were like, no fried mozzarella.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We'll. You know what we'll do? I'll start giving you a nickname. Cheese Stick. Hey, Cheese Stick.

[Dave Anthony]

It's too close to Cheese Dick.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's my name. Cheese Stick and Cheese Dick. Hey, Cheese Stick. Me? No, him, you idiot.

[Dave Anthony]

The two men were also very close with French general Marquis de Lafayette. I gotta put up the Pastimes podcast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, anytime I hear the alarm, it's bad. Whatever PTSD is with an alarm, it does something to me, and I just. I'm like, nah, I hate it. I remember back when you used to have more ringtone stuff, and my alarm would sometimes be someone's ringtone, and you just be like, in a store, and someone's phone would ring, and I'd be like, my line. That's your ringtone, you fool.

[Dave Anthony]

You can still do that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I know you can, but we don't.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, we don't. Nobody, everybody.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're all done. It's over.

[Dave Anthony]

We're done that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're done not doing cute little things anymore. It's over. We're all gonna die real soon. It's gonna be real bad.

[Dave Anthony]

In a biography of his grandfather, Alexander's grandson mentions a note of romance between Alexander and Lafayette. So some people in the family clearly think that there's something there. Anyway.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, it also seems very specified to, you know, a limited amount of people. So maybe I tell my friends I love him.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's upsetting.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Steve Berg and I call each other babe. Maybe love each other at the end of every phone call. What?

[Dave Anthony]

The flirtatious. The flirtatious language to John slowed when Alexander, at 25, met 22 year old Elizabeth Schuler. She was a daughter of New York's extremely wealthy and connected. Philip Schuler when she. So she visited the camp in 1780. So she's one of the people that just came to the war to catch your hang. Catch a play.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, just. What's going on here? Move past this. The walk to the theater can be quite treacherous.

[Dave Anthony]

So he fell for, quote, tenderness, black eyes and lovely form.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Black eyes?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's coraling.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm undead. You are everything. You understand? I am here to eat the flesh of man. Oh, gosh. I could just listen to you blather all day.

[Dave Anthony]

I love the way she has no soul.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Brain is where you shall give me juice from.

[Dave Anthony]

They were engaged.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Aren't you a goofy little woman?

[Dave Anthony]

They were engaged before. Before she even left camp.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So. Which is kind of not out of the realm of possibility back.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, they did it fast.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So camps like Vegas.

[Dave Anthony]

It sounds like it was a place where ladies were going to meet. Such a weird.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's weird. But again, there was nothing to do or nothing.

[Dave Anthony]

500 guys died in three months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, I got a fetish too.

[Dave Anthony]

It's just.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I love being around the dead.

[Dave Anthony]

I'll pull up a picture.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All of them walking to the place where they're staying. Past the guys who are freezing. Intense.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, right? Excuse me. It's really.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Your perfume is beautiful. Don't look at me. I'm gonna go blow Hamilton.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, honestly, that. One of the problems with Hamilton is now when you try to look it up, it's just all the Hamilton and actors. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's over.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Like, you guys, we.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know, we should do. We should just start making more musicals for the. The evil people, you know, Evils. Yeah, we should just like. Oh, like the bad. The bad people from America's history. We should just do Kissinger the musical. That is why we will not tell them the way it was. And the real Kissinger. Whoa. What are you. She had black eyes. What the. Let me see that. What is going on here? Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. It's like banging a mitten. That is really wild that she is so wrapped up.

[Dave Anthony]

She must have been cold at that point.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think she looked you. I mean, we've all had.

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know why you'd wear like the bonnet thing for a painting, but.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, it's weird. Well, yeah, but I mean, we've all. You've had cold sex, right?

[Dave Anthony]

What do you mean? It's cold out.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, like you're having.

[Dave Anthony]

Vagina's cold.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, so if there's any officers of the law or investigators listening, it's time to obviously open something up here to Mr. Anthony, who seems to be treating this podcast as a confession hole. No, like, yeah, outside, you know, it's cold and you're. It's. Yeah, it's. It's very strange.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it is. I agree.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like a weird. You're both blue.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Steam's coming off.

[Dave Anthony]

Where were you, huh? Antarctica.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

You banging penguins?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Okay. So.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Largest shame.

[Dave Anthony]

So they're immediately. They're immediately into each other. They were engaged before she left camp a few weeks later. His letters to Eliza were emotional and tender in a way his letters were not to women before.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He did not tell John he was engaged for months.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Interesting.

[Dave Anthony]

Interesting. So that. To me, that's the one. That's the one that puts it over the edge for me, because you just tell a bro, yeah, I met a lady.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Met a lady. Awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

You wouldn't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

She's covered in fabric and wool.

[Dave Anthony]

You wouldn't tell your other piece, though. No, that's the one you delay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

No. Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

And when he did tell him, he called her, quote, not a genius. But that's great. That's.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's also a tell to me. See? Really? No, nothing. But you know what I mean. I don't know, dude. It's all good.

[Dave Anthony]

But having sense enough to be agreeable and someone he didn't think would nag, but quote, not a beauty.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, dude. Wow, honey, what's this letter?

[Dave Anthony]

Don't read that.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not a beauty.

[Dave Anthony]

You know, she's not gonna crawl up my ass, like, not going to nag these other broads.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Speaking of crawling up my ass, how are you, Jen?

[Dave Anthony]

They continued exchanging letters, but John never once mentioned Eliza.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Eliza or Eliza. She goes.

[Dave Anthony]

She. He calls her Eliza. So they're banging. Okay, John. Him and John, they had to been.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, great.

[Dave Anthony]

That part right there puts it over the top for me. All right. All this stuff, you could be like, okay, it's a weird time, dudes. He writes flowery letters, but this is like, not talking about her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All it really does is highlight again the irrational hypocrisy that this country is not only founded on, but continues to double down on all the time. I mean, watching Mike Johnson go up there and be like, here's what we're gonna do, and here's how we're. It's like, bro, just say it.

[Dave Anthony]

Just say it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, take the load off.

[Dave Anthony]

Take the load Off. Eliza returns to Albany. Albany.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All bunny.

[Dave Anthony]

All Bunny. When he could get away after seven months, Alexander rode to Albany and married her on December 14, 1780.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He had hit the marriage jackpot. She was devoted to him, and he joined a powerful political family in New York. The Schulers were not above doing whatever it took to remain on top up. For example, when her brother John sexually assaulted a woman to stop her from testifying, they paid her off and banished her to Quebec.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now that's called a civil suit.

[Dave Anthony]

Now that's called a trumper.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's the egg.

[Dave Anthony]

There's evidence. He just has to pay him off. And then. Yeah, I like the woman that he keeps having to pay off because he keeps talking about her.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, that.

[Dave Anthony]

That's amazing.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, the good news is he's got endless amounts of money because it's good to go. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander was warming.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Amazing. He won.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. How bad you have to be to not beat that guy?

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's like the whole time we were like, everyone's like, trust this.

[Dave Anthony]

He's the most beatable guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It ain't happening. Don't worry. And now everyone's like, well, it's a shame that ended pretty bad, huh?

[Dave Anthony]

Oops. Alexander was warmly welcomed by her family. His charm, intelligence, and accomplishments made up for his low birth and lack of money.

[Gareth Reynolds]

His low birth.

[Dave Anthony]

That's what I say about you.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I am definitely a low birth. Eliza was one of my brother's a bastard.

[Dave Anthony]

Elizabeth. One of eight kids, including five sisters. Alexander was especially drawn to Elijah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I think back then, if you kind of wanted to break up with a woman, you're like, I'm gonna keep getting her pregnant because eventually she won't make it. Eventually she's not gonna make it through one of these things. Every time she's like, that was close. I lost a lot of blood. He's like, let's run it back. Let's run it back. What? Run it back.

[Dave Anthony]

He. He genuinely seemed like he loved her. Like, it wasn't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

So Alexander's especially drawn to Eliza's sister Angelica, who was married, beautiful and witty. She was also very opinionated and direct, unlike Eliza, who was very quiet. We just go along.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Don't love that. By the way. Opinionated back then was like, it is a bit cold or woman enough.

[Dave Anthony]

I like blue enough. No, you don't.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's it. Go to the chair. Sit in the chair. If you got all these thoughts, go to the chair.

[Dave Anthony]

Some believe Alexander and Angelica had an affair, but there's no evidence Angelica was attracted to him once jokingly asking her sister if she would, quote, lend him to me for a little while.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm just kidding. Could I? So, hey, Eliza. Hey. Why don't you let him sleep in my bed tonight? What do you think of something like that? I'm kidding, you fool.

[Dave Anthony]

Have you heard of swinging Sisters?

[Gareth Reynolds]

You know what could be funny? Let him sleep in my bed and then I'll just make love to him all night. I'm having a goof with you. I'm having a goofy. And I will let him do it doggy and missionary, and then we're gonna do a wheelbarrow. We don't do that, baby sister. I'm having a laugh. He's yours, obviously. But before he finishes, I'm gonna take it out and say, finish on my chest, you dirty dog.

[Dave Anthony]

That's the lie.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Allow that to happen. I dare you.

[Dave Anthony]

It's a lot to hear from me, your sister, about your husband. It's a lot.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh. But right before he finishes, I'll stop him and I'll say, you owe me one more. Not yet. And I'll dominate him. And I'll say, you wait, wait a second. Cuz when it happens, it's going to feel incredible. It's going to feel unbelievable. And I'll hold the shaft. And then once I. Once I. Once I let go, I'll put him back in one more time and I'll just tell him to go as fast as possible. And then I'll feel. I'll feel it when it's over. And it'll just be tonight. I'm having a giggle now.

[Dave Anthony]

A message from our sponsors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And now it's Squarespace.

[Dave Anthony]

It's got hot in here. He returned to Washington. Not the place, the guy. But he was losing faith in America's ability to win the war. Washington had no money to feed his man, so he can't attack. His forces are sitting there and starving as the Brits are just ringing up victories in the South.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He was disgusted that states weren't pulling their weight and that Congress couldn't make them. And America's governing charter, the Articles of Confederation, didn't allow Congress to tax sales to fund the military or anything else.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So bugger.

[Dave Anthony]

The Continental army was, quote, a mob rather than an army, without clothing, without pay, without provisions, without morals, and. And without discipline. So it's a bunch of.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sounds like a bunch of naked guys without anything.

[Dave Anthony]

It's like. It's like they took a bunch of guys out into the woods to have them die. Yeah, they're all right, now sit down and perish.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Are we an army? We're not sure.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, we're going to go in the house right now.

[Dave Anthony]

You could be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We're doing Spider Man.

[Dave Anthony]

Also. The state of the US currency was dire. Congress had printed so much that it was nearly worthless.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Come on.

[Dave Anthony]

At one point, half of the value of the continental dollar, wiped out. Was wiped away in a month. That's good. That's now.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Any day now.

[Dave Anthony]

He wanted a strong central government with a national bank and a powerful Congress that could tax citizens. He also believed in a national debt. Quote, a national debt, if not excessive, will be to us a national blessing. It will be a powerful cement of our nation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean, look, not wrong.

[Dave Anthony]

It's good to have a credit card.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Not wrong to fund things that will eventually, you know, it's investing, explode. It's. Well, you could do it as an investment in ways. And then at this point it is.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, I have it. So my one thing is like, what about not spending it all on stupid it?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I guess I'm a little H. I don't know. You're starting to sound like Dave Hughes.

[Dave Anthony]

He wrote a 31 page letter to a powerful man in Philadelphia.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Jesus, bro.

[Dave Anthony]

I know, right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

I mean he just needs someone to be like, God love you.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hey, can we do this in six pages? We can do this in six pages.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. Imagine getting letter. You're like, I got another. Hey, I'll see you in a month. I got another letter from Alex. He's saying the same sheep she must be letters like, I get it honestly. So he said this to Congress's Superintendent of Finance, Robert Morris. Now Morris had financed much of the war. He's also an arms dealer. So he's profiting. He was the wealthiest man in the colonies and his theory on the role of government was called the money connection. Basically, how the government could, could be used to enrich oneself. A look on your face.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, I, I'm used to the wind being kicked out of the sales, but it's just, you know, you just grow up with such propaganda and you're like, we got away from what we were meant to do.

[Dave Anthony]

And you're like, no, this is what we were meant to do.

[Gareth Reynolds]

From the very fucking beginning. It was rich pricks lying to poor people and trying to make them not know as much as possible.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right. So the, the letter that, that, the 31 page letter that he wrote to Morris was about having a national bank modeled after the bank of a England. So just a fun Letter, Right. Just a fun. Historian William Hogland said the bank of England, quote, integrated the public force of imperial government with the private wealth of the country's richest investors and depositors. So Morris now becomes a mentor to Alexander and everything financially.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good.

[Dave Anthony]

This is his guy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander's still worried for his chance for glory. He hasn't had it on the battlefield and he's worried it's gonna slip away, get us the war.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure.

[Dave Anthony]

It could be over soon. And the odds, by the way, this

[Gareth Reynolds]

would be a good musical. This would be a great, real musical. Honestly, writing, like letters to his bi lover as he's in a relationship with a. A woman who's dressed like a serviette.

[Dave Anthony]

Why wouldn't you do that in that musical?

[Gareth Reynolds]

But we said that about all the stuff on this show.

[Dave Anthony]

For the most part, it's based on Cherno. And Cherno like jerks off Hamilton. So it's not.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah, but. But with everything, you're like, wait, not the interesting part. Like, no, that's the part that keeps you quiet so you go to work.

[Dave Anthony]

So the war's probably gonna be over soon. The odds of winning aren't seeing and seeming great. At this point, Alexander is depressed, writing, quote, I hate Congress, I hate the army, I hate the world, I hate myself.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, gosh. Good Lord.

[Dave Anthony]

He was also feeling some animosity towards Washington.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh.

[Dave Anthony]

Quote, I have felt no friendship for him and have professed none. I discovered he was neither remarkable for delicacy nor good temper. Now this could be because he kept turning down Alexander.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I was gonna say for a field command. Right, right.

[Dave Anthony]

He keeps being like, no, because he wants Alexander's. He thinks he's smart, so he wants him close to him. He doesn't want to lose him on the battlefield.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Alexander wants to go to the battlefield to carve out a name for himself.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander's resentment boils.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He wants him to be an on set writer. He wants to be in front of the camera.

[Dave Anthony]

That's right, Alexander. His resentment boils over. They're in a building and they pass each other on a stairway. What did you say?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Good morning.

[Dave Anthony]

Sorry, mister.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sorry. How are you? Your teeth look good.

[Dave Anthony]

So Alexander. So Washington says, I want to speak with you. And he. He's walking up and he assumes Washington is going to go to his office and wait. But when he heads up, Washington standing at the top of the stairs, furious. Quote, colonel Hamilton, you have kept me waiting at the head of the stairs these 10 minutes. I must tell you, sir, you treat me with disrespect Alexander quote. I am not conscious of it, sir. But since you have thought it necessary to tell me so we part. Oh, Washington quote Very well. It be your choice. And Alexander left.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That's it.

[Dave Anthony]

The boys broke up.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wow.

[Dave Anthony]

Now after a little while, Alexander, I'm sorry. Washington apologizes first.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So this was okay?

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And squabble.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. And he asked Alexander to return and have a talk. Talk it out. Will you have a little talky talk with me. I told I was staircase.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Matt. I'm sorry.

[Dave Anthony]

So Alexander agrees to come back, but said he didn't want want to or see the point.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, so he's mad.

[Dave Anthony]

He's mad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's mad.

[Dave Anthony]

He's mad.

[Gareth Reynolds]

By the way, that's what you do when someone makes a concession like Washington got hang it. I don't know. You don't deserve you. Once you know, you got a little bit of the upper hand. Maybe a prick about it.

[Dave Anthony]

You don't deserve me.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You don't deserve. Nah, I think I'm still gonna piece up.

[Dave Anthony]

Washington at the meeting asked him to reconsider resigning. And Alexander refuses.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But you want me to design.

[Dave Anthony]

He agrees to stay on as an aid until a new one could be found.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Right.

[Dave Anthony]

This way he'd be able. Two weeks, basically he'd be able to leave if an artillery command opens up. And so. And with no official position, he feels he can go and visit Eliza whenever he wants.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. Kind of great.

[Dave Anthony]

She's pregnant at this point, Right?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Of course.

[Dave Anthony]

But when Alexander heard the French army was marching to meet Washington's forces in New York, he returns and was given a light infantry command.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. So now his dream.

[Dave Anthony]

What's happening? They could sense this battle would be decisive. This is the one. And in Yorktown, Virginia, he reunites with John Lawrence. Hi, baby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Not now. They're watching. So where's that kissing with tongue? We should take that.

[Dave Anthony]

And also Lafayette, who's. You were just doing. So fighting begins and they trap British General Cornwallis. And there were two British small military fortifications in the way and they couldn't advance because of them.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

So Washington named Lafayette to lead the assault on one. And he said, you pick who's going to lead the assault on the other. And Alexander.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Alexander Hamilton.

[Dave Anthony]

Now Alexander has men dig a trench and then he celebrates. And he celebrates in an area that's exposed to British fire.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What the fuck?

[Dave Anthony]

And he's having them run parade drills.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Dave, wait.

[Dave Anthony]

I'm insane.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Wait. During an active war.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, they're not. It's probably. It's a Battle. They're all about their positions.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Look, he's been thinking about the glory and all that the whole time. And then his men dig a trench, and he's, like, doing a touchdown celebration.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I just say, every once in a while, it's time to dance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Just like, it's really strange.

[Dave Anthony]

You gotta celebrate. He was happy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right. Sir, the church is stuck. We should be okay. A zip, a zip. Come on, everybody, do the zip.

[Dave Anthony]

Three. One, two, three, four.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's perfect for a musical. My name is Alexander Hamilton Trench.

[Dave Anthony]

No one could believe how he'd endangered his men for something so idiotic. But luckily, no one got shot. Still, like, they could have just picked him off.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It would have been the best.

[Dave Anthony]

So after that, Lafayette chose a French aide to lead the other assault vault on the fortification.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Why?

[Dave Anthony]

I don't know.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What did I do?

[Dave Anthony]

Alexander begs Lafayette, but he refuses to give him the command. Yeah, so Alexander, like, when you win

[Gareth Reynolds]

a battle, he's like, what are you gonna do when you win a battle? I mean, we can't possibly. I'm thinking streamers, confetti. It's a whole thing.

[Dave Anthony]

Fireworks.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I have a guy with drums. It's gonna be awesome.

[Dave Anthony]

What kind of drums?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, Blue Man Group ones. Show them the marshmallow stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

Well, I am from the Caribbean, so a steel drum.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He'll be doing steel drums. Okay. It's actually going to turn into trench town.

[Dave Anthony]

Rock bongos.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello.

[Dave Anthony]

So Alexander goes over Lafayette's head, straight to Washington, who gives him command of the assault.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Three infantry battalions to lead.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, so now he's rolling.

[Dave Anthony]

He races after being told that, he races back to his tent shouting, we have it. We have it.

[Gareth Reynolds]

That is so annoying. Like, if you saw the person in charge of your battalions doing a celebration after a trench, then going to the big bad boss and being like, please, give me it. And then you get more. And then the whole way back being like, huzzah, Hooray. I did it today. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Jesus Christ.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he's awful.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, now, how does war work? Anyone know? What do we do now? What do we do? More trenches. Let's keep digging.

[Dave Anthony]

Now, they were going to be fighting with bayonets in close quarters. That's. That's what it was.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nightmare.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, it's the worst.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, so here's what we're gonna do. We're all gonna clump and stab.

[Dave Anthony]

The night before the assault, Alexander wrote to Eliza about how excited he was to see her and the baby due in weeks. He told her that she needed to give him a boy rather than a girl. Because with her mother's charms and her father's nature, a girl would, quote, enslave, tantalize, and plague one half the sex.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Very weird.

[Dave Anthony]

Very Trumpian.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Everyone's gonna. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

My daughter's gotta be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We need to do another boy. Otherwise everyone's gonna try to her.

[Dave Anthony]

I made a new sex ex girl. Yeah.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Unlike that pool of slime. Eric the de. Why did I do wrong?

[Dave Anthony]

As Al Alexander and his men approached the fortification under the COVID of darkness, some fell into holes, alerting the British, who fired, killing several. But it didn't stop his men from breaching. Alexander was one of the first through. For 10 minutes, they fought a vicious, bloody battle in cramped quarters, stabbing, choking, and clubbing. In a few moments, it was over. After.

[Gareth Reynolds]

While we're in the room where it happened. That's a song.

[Dave Anthony]

After. While walking around the fortification with a very fat general named Henry Knox, a soldier screamed a shell, and Alexander leapt behind big boy Knox to use him as a shield.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Knox wrestled them off and yelled to never use him as a defense wall again.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God, that's so awkward. That is so awkward. To use the fattest guy as a human shield. You don't need to. And then he's like, how dare you use me as a shield. Get off of me, you fool. What do you think I'm so fat that I could be I'm a wall for you? No, I was just. I was trying to move. I was trying to move you out of the way, Knox. I was trying to move you out of the way a little bit, Knox. You understand? I jumped behind you to move you a little. Yes, I did. I was trying to move you, get you out of the way.

[Dave Anthony]

You yelled, big boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I yelled, big boy.

[Dave Anthony]

I hide behind big boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Said I hide. I said I hide behind big boy in the sense that I'm gonna hide and move you so that you're out of. I honestly.

[Dave Anthony]

Can I be.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm trying to get in front of you a little bit to protect you, but there's a lot of surface area because of all your muscles. So I was trying to. I was trying to hide behind you, big boy, and get you. Get you moving a little bit. So I just. That was great. Hey, can we just be thankful the thing didn't go off? So you know what I mean?

[Dave Anthony]

You.

[Gareth Reynolds]

You.

[Dave Anthony]

You never forget that. If you're a big boy.

[Gareth Reynolds]

If you're that guy, you're like, never forget that. What if there's a Bomb coming. Don't be next to Hamilton. He tries to use everybody as a shield. So the everyone get behind this big fat. Why did you say that?

[Dave Anthony]

I want to go into battle with the fatty. The other fortification was get behind the skin tank. The other fortification was taken by Lafayette. On October 19, 1781, General Cornwallis surrendered. Now the war is not over yet, but Alexander is done. He made it back to Albany in time for the birth of his first son, Philip. A few weeks later, he wrote Washington a sulky letter complaining about how long it took him to get a field command and ending their military partnership, saying he planned on retaining his rank as colonel unless there was an objection.

[Gareth Reynolds]

So he is the American dream.

[Dave Anthony]

He is a. He's smart, but he's a whiny.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But he is a little bit know what he is? He's the guy at the airport who goes up, complains non stop. Everyone's so sick of him that they just give him the.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes, that's exactly what he is.

[Gareth Reynolds]

And he's just that. And that is how it works here.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah. He needed a way to provide for his family and began studying law, or as he joked, quote, studying the art of fleecing my neighbors.

[Gareth Reynolds]

But seriously, we charge for an email.

[Dave Anthony]

If he was going to go into politics, the law was the best profession.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He's living in the Schuler mansion and he takes advantage of a loophole that a guy named Aaron Schuler's loop. Aaron Burr created.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Which lessened apprenticeship requirements for veterans. He really took advantage of it all.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Well, and it's like him and Burr had multiple.

[Dave Anthony]

Oh yeah, he takes a job collecting state taxes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

But only after he was promised a cut of the money that was owed instead of what he collected. He wanted tax collectors that time. As a profession, you would take a percentage of the money collected.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay, so almost like a bounty hunter's commission.

[Dave Anthony]

Yes.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

He is demanding that he get a cut of the money that is owed.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right. He wants to tax the gross.

[Dave Anthony]

He wants to. Over his own state.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

For his personal gain.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Right.

[Dave Anthony]

An angry Alexander learned that the state was keeping funds that should go to the national treasury. Do you remember when I said a while back that he was keeping funds that should go to the state?

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

As an individual.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Now he's mad the. That the state is keeping funds as you go. I hate him. With a burning passion that will never die.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's weird. It seems like he's based on his. His ideology is based on personal interest.

[Dave Anthony]

I mean, that doesn't that sum up the conservative mind right there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah. Well, to be honest, yes. And then also that's obviously bled into the governmental society. Yeah, it's at this point.

[Dave Anthony]

And yeah, he and Morris wrote to one another complaining about petty states that only cared about their own interests.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Oh, my God. I know. It's the worst. Anyway, I have to go. I'm. I'm going to go fight city hall. It's really ridiculous what they're trying to do also. I'm doing what they're trying to do also. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

They believe Congress needed the power to tax, and without that, the nation was doomed. In 1792, at 27, he was elected by the New York assembly to be in the delegation going to Congress in Philadelphia. His big goal was to convince members that Congress needed a federal tax. And he and Morris figured if they could get states to agree on one federal tax, it would be a gateway for many federal taxes. Okay, so precedent, basically. Alexander teamed up with James Madison from Virginia to argue for a 5% federal tax on all imports. Now, they're opposites. Alexander is vivacious and charming. He wears colorful clothing. Madison shy, quiet, wears all black. He's a goth.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure. Do you want a cloth?

[Dave Anthony]

They campaigned hard for a federal tax. Alexander. Alexander then pushes a conspiracy to encourage a mutiny in the army over unpaid wages.

[Gareth Reynolds]

The first person who came up with a conspiracy had to be great. What if we just tell them to believe a thing that makes their personal interests shift?

[Dave Anthony]

Most officers went without steady pay, if any pay at all, for years. And it's partly Morris's doing because he's the guy who funded most of the war. And he insists on prioritizing paying rich bondholders first before soldiers.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Sure, as it should be.

[Dave Anthony]

They should make payments. Yet if the angry officers threatened the government with a mutiny, this is Alexander's thinking, Congress would have to approve the import tax to raise funds to pay them. So he's trying to put a gun to the government's head.

[Gareth Reynolds]

It's also just giving the game away of don't do shit unless we're scared. Yes. Yes.

[Dave Anthony]

Yeah, he and Madison wrote that, quote, the army's patience may have fatal effects. So this is called the Newburgh conspiracy. And they use the threat of a mutiny to scare states into giving Congress greater powers of taxation.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay.

[Dave Anthony]

Thousands of officers and soldiers had reasons to be furious with Congress for not paying wages, but also for leaving them to starve and die of disease.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Honestly hoping that they die and starve. Really? I mean, that's helpful to the business model.

[Dave Anthony]

On March 15, 1780, 3. A meeting of officers was held to actually discuss a mutiny. And Washington made a surprise appearance.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Hello. What are we chatting about?

[Dave Anthony]

Has to speak.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How are we.

[Dave Anthony]

He gave.

[Gareth Reynolds]

How you guys doing?

[Dave Anthony]

He gave like a. I gave so much. And. And they all started crying. Like, it was like a total. He worked him. He'd been friends.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I'm gonna tell you.

[Dave Anthony]

He was alerted, of course, by Alexander.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

Who told him to go there.

[Gareth Reynolds]

We need you to come do some.

[Dave Anthony]

Because Alexander didn't actually want a coup. He just wanted the threat of a couple poop and of a coup. Sorry. Of a coup. And now he's getting worried about how angry the officers are actually getting. So he created it, but now he's getting a little freaked out. He's like, I just can get real.

[Gareth Reynolds]

I wanted to warm my hands by the fire.

[Dave Anthony]

I just want to tax. I want to tax.

[Gareth Reynolds]

All right, I think we've made our point.

[Dave Anthony]

So Washington ends up talking them out of a mutiny, and his speech stops it. And Alexander's plan is foiled because Congress pays the officers some of their pay.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Now, we call that neoliberalism.

[Dave Anthony]

Without passing a tax.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Okay. All right.

[Dave Anthony]

The deal added millions to the federal debt. So he likes that. So it's not a complete waste of time.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God even really love government.

[Dave Anthony]

Later, Washington, who felt Alexander's hand in the conspiracy, warned him that the army was a, quote, dangerous instrument to play with. So he's like, buddy, that's fucking crazy

[Gareth Reynolds]

what you did, by the way. Pretty awesome, if I'm being honest. Also kind of a business model, but cool.

[Dave Anthony]

But Alexander is now emerging as a leader. He's good at networking. He has limitless ambition, and he drafts a resolution.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Those are two very negative things.

[Dave Anthony]

I agree. He drafts a resolution for a Constitutional convention and proposed a national government with three the three branches of government we have today. And that is the end of part one.

[Gareth Reynolds]

God damn it. Yeah, just already. Not into it already. You could just tell he sucks. Obviously. Yeah.

[Dave Anthony]

He gets.

[Gareth Reynolds]

What is he gonna do over a constant. A Constitutional Convention. If he danced for a trench, he's gonna be lowered down like Lady Gaga.

[Dave Anthony]

He turns into a little crying little baby.

[Gareth Reynolds]

He's gonna be like a little butterfly.

[Dave Anthony]

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[Gareth Reynolds]

A lot of stuff.

[Dave Anthony]

A lot of oh, he gets. He gets worse.

[Gareth Reynolds]

Nah, not my boy.