The End Times Timeline Your Church Isn't Talking About | John Bevere

Summary

The Dr. Josh Axe Show Episode: The End Times Timeline Your Church Isn't Talking About | John Bevere Date: March 12, 2026 Guest: John Bevere

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Episode Overview

In this rich, thought-provoking conversation, Dr. Josh Axe sits down with renowned author and speaker John Bevere to discuss one of Christianity's most debated and often overlooked topics—the return of Christ and the "end times" timeline. Drawing from his decades of ministry and the insights in his new book The King Is Coming, John Bevere uncovers why modern churches may sideline end-times teaching, what it truly means to prepare spiritually, and how an eternal perspective transforms everyday living. The episode touches on the intersection of faith, mindset, physical health, holiness, and societal distractions, offering concrete steps for living with urgency, awe, and authenticity before Christ's return.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Urgency and Relevance of End Times Teaching

• Eternal vs. Temporal Perspective (06:11–08:59)

  • Bevere recounts his interaction with Brazilian church leaders whose 300,000-member church grew rapidly by teaching on eternal rewards and the coming judgment, fostering an "eternal perspective" over the American church’s usual 70-80 year perspective.
  • He stresses that teachings like the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment are foundational Christian doctrines (Hebrews 6:1-2).
  • Quote: “We have so many Americans that don't have a clue that there is a judgment seat for the believers… They have an 80-year perspective; we have an eternal perspective.”
    — John Bevere (06:10–07:43)

• Preparation for Christ’s Return (01:53, 76:08)

  • The bride (the church) makes herself ready, not by God doing it for her, but through authentic holiness and urgency in life.
  • Quote: "Walk in true, authentic, genuine holiness. It's the only description of the bride he's coming back for…The bride has made herself ready, does not say God made her ready."
    — John Bevere (01:53, 76:08)

2. The Healthy Fear of God vs. the Love of God

• Defining the Fear of the Lord (27:35–31:20)

  • The “fear of the Lord” is not cowering terror but being terrified of being away from God, and is essential for avoiding lawlessness in the church.

  • It’s repeatedly commended in scripture as the beginning (and fountain) of wisdom and the secret to intimacy with God.

  • Quote: “The love of God keeps us from becoming legalistic and mean spirited. The fear of God keeps us from becoming lawless…By the fear of the Lord one departs from evil. It does not say by the love of God.”
    — John Bevere (29:07–30:07)

  • Sharing stories, Bevere illustrates how both fear and love are vital, using personal stories (e.g., Alice Cooper’s salvation motivated by fear of God (44:00)) and referencing early revivalist sermons.

• Fear and Health (34:06, 36:32)

  • Dr. Axe explains that chronic, unhealthy fear elevates cortisol and damages the body, while a healthy sense of awe and respect (biblically, “fear”) produces reverence and wholeness.

  • Quote: “A very, you know, a very, very similar thing there. Now, one thing I know from…busting out my concordance…the word fear, especially in Hebrew, it has such a deep, rich meaning. So there is a level of actual fear, like from a grizzly bear. But it also means other things, right? Like reverence and respect and some of those other things, too, right?”
    — Dr. Josh Axe (36:24–36:32)

3. Holistic Stewardship: Body, Mindset, Spirit

• The Body as God’s Temple (03:41–04:29)

  • Bevere shares his journey in health, inspired by a conviction that the body is God’s temple and should be stewarded rigorously, drawing parallels to preparing a valuable car for peak performance.
  • Dr. Axe notes that this spiritual perspective deeply informs his holistic health philosophy.

• Mindset, Spiritual Health, and Longevity (15:26–18:18)

  • Dr. Axe asserts that mindset and spiritual health are the primary determinants of physical health, above even nutrition, emphasizing how unresolved shame or trauma can manifest as physical illness.
  • Quote: "The single greatest thing I can do is take care of my spiritual health."
    — Dr. Josh Axe (18:18)

4. Spiritual Practices: Prayer and Hearing From God

• Power and Process of Prayer (22:06–23:45)

  • Both discuss the nature of persistent prayer, trust, and “praying through” until receiving peace, sharing personal family stories.
  • Quote: “You pray until the peace comes…Once you have the peace, it’s done.”
    — John Bevere (22:25)

• Hearing God’s Voice (24:48–26:51)

  • They explore hearing God's guidance through peace and circumstances, more often as an inward leading than an audible voice.

5. The End Times: Preparation vs. Speculation

• Eschatology’s Role (61:02–66:53)
  • Bevere cautions against reducing end-times study to timelines or controversial debates, instead urging personal preparation and discernment.
  • Uses the “puzzle piece” analogy to illustrate the richness and importance of diligently studying prophecy and not being discouraged by ambiguity.
  • Quote: “People are doing it more out of feelings…instead of diligently inquiring…God intended us to search diligently and inquire about his coming. It keeps us hungry.”
    — John Bevere (65:54)

6. Societal Distractions, Division, and the Eternal Focus

• Social Media and Discipleship (67:35–71:08)

  • Both lament how many Christians are discipled more by social media and cultural debates than scripture, leading to divisiveness and distraction from what truly matters (the gospel and caring for the suffering).
  • Quote: “They're being discipled by culture, not by scripture…That’s how divisive social media…is a lot more effective in getting people divided than [mainstream] media.”
    — John Bevere (70:30–71:08)

• Practical Examples: The Church of Sardis (72:56–75:36)

  • Bevere parallels American Christianity with Sardis: having a reputation for being alive yet spiritually dead, urging listeners to avoid staining their garments (lives) with worldliness.

7. Living in Light of Eternity

• Success, Urgency, and Holy Living (47:59–54:00)
  • Discuss the principle of living every day with urgency, likening it to someone who has cancer and radically changes their health habits.
  • Quote: “You run the fastest when the finish line is in sight … [Teaching on Christ’s return] creates a sense of urgency.”
    — John Bevere (47:59–48:17)
  • Holiness, prayer, and setting affection on things above are key to preparing for Christ’s return.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• Brazilian Pastor on Eternal Perspective:
  “You American Christians … have a 70 or 80 year timeframe. We have an eternal perspective.”
  — [07:15], John Bevere

• Judgment for Believers:
  “We must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ … to receive the works done in the Body, whether good or worthless.”
  — [09:04], John Bevere

• Health and Spirituality:
  “The single greatest thing I can do is take care of my spiritual health.”
  — [18:18], Dr. Josh Axe

• Fear of God Defined:
  “The fear of the Lord is not to be scared of God. It’s actually being terrified of being away from God.”
  — [28:59], John Bevere

• Why Some Christians Don’t Last:
  “Why is it that 50% of the pastors in America right now only last five years? … Because we have not taught healthy fear of God.”
  — [45:56], John Bevere

• Bride Making Herself Ready:
  "The bride has made herself ready.”
  — [01:53, 52:99], John Bevere

• Social Media Discipleship:
  “They’re being discipled by culture, not by scripture.”
  — [70:29], John Bevere

• Urgency and Preparedness:
  “The people that do the most in this life are the ones that think the most about the next.”
  — [77:44], Dr. Josh Axe (quoting C.S. Lewis)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Introduction/Main Theme Preview: 02:24–03:41
• Eternal Perspective from Brazilian Church: 05:50–08:58
• Judgment for Believers Explained: 08:59–10:57
• Health as Stewardship: 03:41–04:29, 14:38–15:26
• Power of Mindset and Spiritual Health: 15:26–18:18
• Prayer and Hearing God: 22:06–26:51
• Healthy Fear vs. Love of God: 27:35–31:20
• Eschatology: Preparation over Speculation: 61:02–66:53
• Societal Distractions and Social Media: 67:35–71:08
• Living with Urgency and Holiness: 47:59–54:00, 76:24–77:44

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Actionable Steps/Advice

• Develop an eternal perspective instead of a merely temporal one.
• Prepare for Christ’s return through authentic holiness, spiritual disciplines (prayer, studying scripture), and by focusing on eternal things.
• Embrace both the love and healthy fear of God: love prevents legalism, fear prevents lawlessness.
• Avoid being discipled by culture or caught in divisiveness—anchor your life in scripture and invest in what matters eternally.
• Make your spiritual health your top priority, as it impacts every other aspect of life and service.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a clarion call to reclaim foundational teachings on the end times, cultivate vital spiritual practices, and adopt a mindset focused on the eternal significance of everyday choices. Bevere and Axe challenge listeners to walk in reverent awe, prepare for the return of Christ—not with passivity or fear, but with expectancy, urgency, and joy.

“Set your affections on things above, not the things of this earth. When our eyes get set on the things of heaven … we start living a more godly life.”
— John Bevere (76:24)

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Transcript

[John Bevere]

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[Dr. Josh Axe]

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[John Bevere]

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[Dr. Josh Axe]

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[John Bevere]

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[Dr. Josh Axe]

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[John Bevere]

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[Dr. Josh Axe]

thing for our physical health is our mindset and our spiritual health.

[John Bevere]

Why is it that 50% of the pastors in America right now only last five years? 50%?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

Because we have not taught healthy fear of God. The Holy Spirit spoke to me one day. He said, read Psalm 19 and I went there and he said, son, Lucifer led worship right before my throne. He didn't fear me. He he did not endure in heaven forever.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

What's the number one thing we need to do to prepare for the Lord's

[John Bevere]

coming walk in true, authentic, genuine holiness? It's the only description of the bride he's coming back for. The bride has made herself ready does not say God made her ready.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

What if Jesus were to return tomorrow? Would you be ready? I've brought in my good friend John Bevere and we're going to be talking about one of the most debated topics in all of Christianity, the return of Christ. We'll also be talking about prayer. We'll be talking about studying the Bible. We'll be talking about how to be the best Christian you can now and have the biggest impact in the future and how to create a spiritual awakening in yourself. And others. Welcome to the Dr. Josh Axe Show. Welcome, John. Hey.

[John Bevere]

It's so good to be with you. Lisa and I have loved you and Chelsea's for so many years, and you helped us so much with our health. As you know, I am a health fanatic.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You are?

[John Bevere]

I really am. Actually, Jordan Rubin paid me the highest compliment. He said, I think you might even eat cleaner than I do.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

I mean, listen, I've been so impressed with you and Lisa. And by the way, and you have your whole family, you know, you've got just such a, such an amazing crew. Most people are into natural health, really health conscious. Of course, that comes from you and Lisa being, you know, subconscious there as well. But, but I love that, you know, I, I. One thing of course I love and appreciate as a health enthusiast is pastors and missionaries and people like yourself who really are doing. Because you want to honor God with your body. You want to be preaching the gospel when you're 90 plus years old. And so, yes, sir, you guys are doing, doing great. Yeah.

[John Bevere]

I mean, it all started with me when he said, your body's my temple. Take care of it. I was in my 20s. I didn't know a thing about health food. There was no Josh Axe. There just wasn't Dr. Axe. I, I didn't, nobody I'd never heard. I just thought everything in the grocery store was fine.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And the Lord spoke to me one day and said I was 22 years old. Your body's my temple. Take care of it. And the thought comes, if I had a Ferrari, would I put dirty gas and recycle oil in it? Would the Ferrari still run? Yes. Would it would diminish its ability to perform?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Would I shorten its life? Yes. Now the thought hits me. My. And now I think, okay, this is Josh and Chelsea's Ferrari. They lend it to me for nine months, and I'm putting dirty gas and recycled oil. Now I have to answer to you on why I shortened the life of your car.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Well, it's like, do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit? And whether you eat, drink, or whatever you do to offer the glory of God. So I love that. By the way, the first time we met, I don't know if you remember this. You know where we met? True Food Kitchen.

[John Bevere]

Yes, I do remember that.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

So, yeah, Jordan had set up a lunch, and so we were sitting there. By the way, I also remember one thing I appreciated about you because I'd never met you before. I mean, you went, you just dove right in it's like I'd never met you before. And then all of a sudden we got in this conversation about. About you just come back from a mission, from, from preaching in South America.

[John Bevere]

Okay.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

And this, you said it was the fastest growing church in South America. And you asked the pastor, why is your church growing so quickly? And he had told you it's because we teach about heavenly crowns.

[John Bevere]

We teach about second coming, the resurrection of the dead, the millennium and the eternal and our positions in it.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah, it was that. And, but it was, it was. But. But I think I'm trying to think your exact phrasing. But it was like heavenly rewards, like storing up crowns in heaven. Like this is a really big thing. This. Were preaching about that. A lot of times pastors and churches shy away from today, but I would love for you to share more about that because they're seeing so many lives transform, such impact, bigger than we're probably seeing here. So talk about that a little bit. All right.

[John Bevere]

So I was shaken to my core. This church was over 300,000 members. I spoke to the leaders. There was over 12,000 leaders. This is just pastors and leaders. Leaders the night before. So it's not the church, it's the leaders.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

What country is this in?

[John Bevere]

Pardon me?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

What country was this?

[John Bevere]

It's Brazil.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Brazil, okay.

[John Bevere]

And I mean, they're blowing the roof off the ceiling. And the next day at lunch, I'm with eight of the top pastors and I said, how long have you guys been in existence and who founded your church? And I was expecting the founder went to heaven 70 years ago. It was founded in the 1800s cuz. 3, 300,000 people. I'm like, yeah, certainly this has been around a while. They said, oh no, we were founded 16 years ago by one man. And I wish you could have gotten a picture of my face. I went, wait a minute. You start with one man 16 years ago, and there's over 300,000 people. I said, how do you do it? And they said, we teach our people on eternal rewards in judgment, the second coming, the millennium, reign of Christ. And I went, what? And the guy saw that I was confused. And so the pastor who spoke the best English said, look, I go to America because I speak such good English. I get invited to do conferences because there's a lot of Brazilian people in America. He said, you American Christians? He said, I've noticed have a 70 or 80 year timeframe, a perspective. He said, we have an eternal perspective. Wow. Now think about this. If you go, if you go to A really, really nice buffet on at a restaurant on Sunday morning. It's a brunch buffet. I mean high end, okay? We're talking, this is a Four Seasons hotel or Ritz Carlton, that kind of thing, right? And they have a whole table filled with unbelievable desserts. If you have a one day perspective, what are you going to do?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You're going to eat it all?

[John Bevere]

Eat it all? Everyone I can get in me, Right? If you have a one year perspective, what are you going to do?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Be a little more selective.

[John Bevere]

I'm going to have zero.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Okay.

[John Bevere]

Because I don't want excess fat on my body next week. I don't want compromised long term health. Right. So you and I are both either selective or zero. And I suddenly realized what he was saying was true. You got a lot of American Christians, what they do, they go to church, it's 90 minutes, and then they basically go out and live the rest of their time for themselves. But when you think about the resurrection of the dead, that's the second coming of Christ. Paul writes that there are six foundations the whole church is built on. He calls them elementary doctrines or foundational doctrines. Hebrews, chapter 6, verse 1 and 2. Think about what you get in elementary school. How to read, write, add, subtract. Can you imagine building your college education not knowing how to read, write, add or subtract. So the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment are two of the six. So 1/3 of the elementary teachings, one third of the foundational teachings are on this very subject.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

So we have so many Americans that don't have a clue that there is a judgment seat for the believers. Yes, there's a judgment seat for the unbelievers. That's called the great White throne. But the judgment for the believers is called the bema. And Paul said in second Corinthians he said to be absent from the body. When we're absent from the body, we're present with the Lord. That's not unbelievers. Unbelievers, when they're absent from the body, they're not in the presence of the Lord. He makes a statement about only believers. He said, for we, those who are absent from the body and present with the Lord, must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. Now that word judgment is bama, which was a platform that like when they had the Olympics or competition or judgment was made in a courtroom. It was a platform where the judgment was made. For we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ that each one may receive the works done in the Body, whether good or. I'm going to use the right translation. Worthless. So in other words, did we spend our life living for worthless? What's the worthless? Everything. Temporal.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Was all of our life just. Just, just saving our money and totally focusing on going to World cup soccer, you know, and spending tens of thousands just to go there, and that's what we're living for? Or were we living to build the kingdom? Were we building people's lives? This is why I love what you do. You're building people's lives. You were building my life. Before we ever had that dinner at True Foods. I was watching your videos. Lisa and I were gleaning so much. We were growing. Our bodies were being kept protected from the junk that's out there just because of you being obedient to God. Because do you know what? When they found the Dead Sea Scrolls, you know, Ezra actually wrote three books. We have one book in the Bible called Ezra. There was two others. One was apocalyptic. Now, I have heard this from Dr. Ken Johnson, who is a scholar. He has read every.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

I've read a couple of his books. They're phenomenal.

[John Bevere]

They're unbelievable. He's read every Dead Sea scroll fragment and book that they will permit him to read. And I love this guy. But he said on the apocalyptic book they wrote before Messiah returns. Now stop and think about that. Ezra's what, 600 years before Jesus was born? He writes in that book, before Messiah returns. Not comes. Returns. Food will be polluted and it will shorten men's lives.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Are you serious? Wow.

[John Bevere]

Is that not crazy?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

That is crazy.

[John Bevere]

And he said the only thing that would protect God's people is herbs. Okay? And God would raise people up to teach his people about herbs. He said that every congregation would have. Just like, they'd got a pastor. They would have somebody that would help their congregation with herbs.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

That's amazing.

[John Bevere]

Now, I look at what you do and I'm like, hello. I mean, yeah, you're not for one particular congregation, but you are teaching the body of Christ on how to stay healthy. Because we are stewards of the temple.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You know, I think this is critically important. You know, when I. There are so many doctors out there, and I think the best doctors have a Christian worldview. Because if you see the body as a piece of machinery, even. Even a term like biohacking that people are using today, it's kind of like we're going to hack, like computer hacking, hack into the body versus seeing. We are a temple. We are this unique, you know, design of God this supernatural being, I think it changes the way you view the body, changes the way you treat the body. And so I think that my faith in Jesus has really impacted me as a physician. One making me focus more on being a good Samaritan and caring for people and pouring in more, but also seeing all of nature, knowing we were created to live in tune with nature. I mean, the sun is so critical for our health. You know what the leaves are giving off, of course, herbs. We're eating foods we're eating. As Jordan and I wrote the Biblio diet book, and we were writing that book, it was so fascinating to learn that two thirds of the parables are about farming and food. I mean, if you go through the Old Testament, it's talking about food constantly. And so these are topics really important for the Bible. But it's not the primary and it shouldn't be. It's. You need to eat to glorify God. That's why you're eating and you're eating. You're doing something here in this temporal place that actually is going to determine part of your eternity.

[John Bevere]

You know, I did. You're my third podcast today, and I've had a really busy day. But you know what I carve time out for? To get my O2 organic flour from Italy. And I cracked four eggs and I rolled out my pasta for tonight. I mean, Lisa's got it. She's gonna have it ready when I get home.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

I mean, you're Italian, she's Sicilian. It's. You have to.

[John Bevere]

I have to. But I'm not gonna eat the pasta that our stores carry because I don't want any chance of eating that genetically modified grain. Yeah, I don't want to eat bleach flour. And so, you know, it's, it takes a little time today. It takes a little extra money. It takes some effort. But, Josh, I turned 67 this year and I still beat half the 30 year olds. No, what am I saying? 80% of 30 year olds in my neighborhood in pickleball. Okay. Like, they're all like, how do you move so fast?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It's amazing.

[John Bevere]

And I know God. When he spoke to me when I was 22 years old, it's so funny. When I went to get the full physical at 60, you know, they did, they did the skeleton. You know, the thing that examines your whole skeleton.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Literally. Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Seven files of blood, all that stuff.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

I said, lord, you know, I obeyed you when I was 22 years old. Can I, can I have some evidence? I really did hear from you and he just looked at me and he's like, your heart's like in your inner 40s. Your bones are like in your 40s. On and on and on and on.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You're 20 years younger biologically. That's amazing.

[John Bevere]

Yeah. So it, you know, it does it, it's stewardship. God is entrusting me his body. This is our body.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

So this is why what you guys do is so valuable. It's so important because we need Americans. It's, it's like they are trying to figure out how to poison our food, put the, all the stuff in there that they, they want. It's just, I don't want to get on it. You're the expert, but thank you for what you're doing.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Oh, thanks so much. We know if you're physically healthy, you can think more clearly. I mean, for myself, it's like think about when you have a cold or flu. It's almost, it's more difficult. Not that you can't, we all should and can. But I feel like it's harder to sometimes connect. Harder to connect and hear from God when I am in this state of just brain fog, not thinking clearly in that way. Hey, so if you've ever thought something is wrong with me, but I just can't prove it, then this is for you. Now, you might be eating clean, even what you feel like is perfect. Working out, taking all of the right supplements, but you're still exhausted, still foggy, gaining weight, and you're not sleeping. And every time you ask for help, you hear the same thing, but your labs are normal. Here's what that actually means. Standard blood work only shows what's in your blood, not whether your cells can actually access it or not. You can give your body all the right inputs, but if your cells are in danger mode, chronically stressed or inflamed, they can't absorb or use those nutrients properly. If you're finally ready to heal, go to mybloodwork.com, you'll get an at home cellular bloodwork panel shipped straight to your home and reviewed on a private call with one of my senior health advisors at the health institute. And, and this will help you finally connect the dots between your symptoms at the cellular level. We'll also determine if you're a good candidate for one of our cellular healing protocols so you can finally experience lasting healing once again. Go to mybloodwork.com to check it out. You know, I think for one of the areas of medicine I've really dove into a lot over the past you know, 10 years or so is ancient Asian medicine. And the reason I think it's really interesting is you look at the longest living culture today, for the most part, it's Japan. They're living a really long time. And the type of medicine they practice, they use this term in China, it's called chi. But basically today we'd call that cellular energy or ATP. But, you know, one of the things that they would say, the ancients would say, fuel this. All your cellular energy is having a purpose, like having a sense of purpose and identity. I mean, I listen, I believe food is incredibly important, and I think it's probably number two overall thing for our health. Physical health. Yeah. But I think the number one thing for our physical health is our mindset and our spiritual health. Because if somebody's dealing with shame and guilt and childhood trauma that's linked to autoimmune disease and cancer and anxiety and all of these other conditions that, that pile up on the body. So I think I, I'm. I'm believing we're going to continue to see more and more of a shift of this awareness of if I'm going to be physically and healthy, the single greatest thing I can do is take care of my spiritual health.

[John Bevere]

Wow.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

And so that's one of the reasons, again, I'm, I'm. I'm excited to talk to you.

[John Bevere]

The only place you find true peace is in Jesus.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

I mean, I lay my head down, sleep at night. Lisa sometimes gets upset because within 30 seconds, I'm gone. Right. I'm. I'm out. And it's because I don't carry burdens. I give them to him. And that time I spend in the morning is so important. The time that I spend with him, walking with him, I just offload anything. I mean, we've. Let me tell you something. When you have a ministry, and we have given away like 65.5 million resources to pastors and leaders all over the world in 146 languages. The end. The devil doesn't like that.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

So what I'm trying to say is we've had our fair share of attacks.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

We've had our share. Fair share of times that I could be completely weighed down by pressure, by stress. There's been times CFO will come and say, john, we, we. If we don't have a miracle, we're going to. I said, just relax. Watch what God does.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

It's not my ministry, it's his. It's not your ministry, it's his watch. And every time he Comes through. Now, I could have stressed about that. Oh my gosh, how am I going to make payroll? I got 50 families depending on us, right? No, I don't, I don't even care. I don't even worry about it because I give my care to him. I pray. Yeah, the Bible says that. And if you look at what first Peter says, Peter writes this in chapter five. He said, humble yourself under the mighty hand of God that he may exalt you in due time. You know what the next statement is? Casting all your care on him because he cares for you. In other words, when you take on the care, that is a form of pride. You are saying, God, I've got this, I don't trust you with it. I'm going to take care of this by stressing, by worrying, by trying to

[Dr. Josh Axe]

take control of things you can't control. Yeah, yep.

[John Bevere]

Instead of saying, God, I'm yours, you said you take care of me. You said all I had to do is pray about it. Now I'm leaving it with you. I have literally at times said, okay, Lord, if everything falls apart, it's not my fault, it's your fault.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Now I'm not being irreverent because I have a deep fear of God, but I actually feel his pleasure when I have that kind of attitude. Because that attitude is not built out of me, my confidence, it's built out of trusting him that he will take care of me.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah, yeah, I was going to share. So I just, I have prayed more just recently over the past, let's call it 18 hours than I probably had for a year, for quite a bit of time. Because my sister in law just had a baby today, midday today, and she had been pushing for like 48 hours. I mean, it was one of those things where she started at home and just fighting and fighting and fighting. She wanted to do a home birth. And sometimes this happens. People are really into natural health. I know a lot of people who are, you know, functional medicine doctors or chiropractors and they did everything they could to have a home birth and they weren't able to and so went to hospital and she, she just was determined. And the heartbeat, they stopped hearing it a few times. And so, I mean, I was down on my, I came in the office this morning and you know, and I'm like, you know what, I'm in the conference room, I'm on my face, you know, hands and knees, just, jesus, rescue this baby. I pray that this baby can come out now. And praise God. It did, you know, but my sister in law brooke, I mean 99% of people would have probably sort of in her situation, stop pushing, give up. And she ended up having, you know, a natural birth there in the hospital. But all that to say is, you know, one thing that I think a lot of times people don't maybe realize for some reason I'd love for you to talk on this, is that prayer matters.

[John Bevere]

Yes, it does.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

I mean a lot of times, you know, I think we pray and we think, you know, is he hearing this? You know, does it make any difference at all? And I look back at my life and if we really look, I'm like, wow, I prayed. God came through, wow. But I think sometimes it's really hard to know or feel like that's happening.

[John Bevere]

I like to say that you pray until the peace comes. Sometimes you have to pray things through a little stronger because you're interceding for somebody else. Yeah, right. And when it comes to things for us, I just go, lord, this is your care. I give it to him. And it's like, I receive this in Jesus name. When you're praying for somebody else, you have to pray until you have a peace. Once you have the peace, it's like my mom and dad, my dad got saved at 79. My mom was in probably her 60s. But I was saved for quite a while. My mom actually didn't even invite me to my dad's retirement party because she was concerned I was going to witness to the guests. And you would have, and don't get me wrong, I probably, she was giving my books away before she left this earth, you know, three years ago. But I was crying out to God for my parents salvation, my sibling salvation. I mean my little sister was married by Wiccans, literally calling for the spirits of the north, the south, the east and the west, right in Scottish kilts and doing all this crazy demonic stuff. And my other sister was married by an, a, a new age witch who was a lesbian. And so you know, I'm crying out to God for my family. And all of a sudden one day I got this complete peace. I was so burdened before, but I got this complete peace. And I thought, it's done, it's done.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

I didn't pray for my family anymore. I knew it was done. And sure enough, you know, my sister, they got married by the new age witch. When she turned 50, they diagnosed her with breast cancer. She called me crying, God heals her. My other sister, she gets in a car wreck, severs the nerve. Doctor goes, you're not going to have any feeling in these two fingers the rest of your life. She calls me at four in the morning crying, God heals her. Then my wife goes to her city shortly later, and she's the first one down to get saved. You know, and I had had a piece on that a decade before. Wow. So you were right to stay in your face until you had a release. Now the problem is people say the release for me comes when I actually heard the baby was born. You have to look inside. I had, I had to look inside and went, I don't have a burden to pray for my parents anymore. It's just, it's done. And so no matter how my sisters behave, how my parents were, I didn't care anymore because I was like, this has been prayed through.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's something. You know, I think sometimes people get confused. I remember growing up somebody sharing with me, like, you know, because in Christian speak you hear a lot. I heard from God. Right. And so, and today, when people, in our language, when you hear the word hear, you think, oh, this is. I heard something audibly versus there's this still small voice for me, like a conscience. Right. That's happening. There's, to your point, there's feelings we get. There's also, you know, looking at signs and wonders. I mean, there's been so many times where I'm like, I prayed for something and all of a sudden I meet somebody and I could be like, oh, this is a random coincidence or. No, this is a, this is a divine meeting. God's setting this up. I'm going to pay extra close attention here.

[John Bevere]

Number way. One way God speaks to us is through the Scripture. Yeah, but what about the person I'm supposed to marry? Well, of course you and I are married, but that's not found in chapter and verse. So the number one way he leads us is the inward peace. Colossians 3:16 says, Let the peace of Christ rule in your heart. And the amplified it brings it out like this. Let it rule in your heart as an umpire. So an umpire calls the shots. So when you have a piece about something, it's like Lisa and I, we were engaged. I mean, some people may really laugh at this. But I said, you know what, Lisa? I'm, I'm, I'm really in love with you. And, and, and we've been talking marriage, but I, I got, we, we got to know. So this is what we're going to do. We, we, we were separate. And I said, I want to pray 30 minutes a day for 30 days. And if you feel any unrest, no peace, we're not going to marry. If I feel any unrest on peace, we're not going to marry after 30 days. I said okay. Did you pray? She said yes. I said, I did too. Did you feel any unrest? Did you feel any kind of. She said no. I said, I didn't either. We're getting married now. I proposed to her formally. It was a really beautiful night. But I was like, okay, this is done. We're to be that you're my wife, I'm your husband.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

That's so good. It's so good. You know, I was talking about my sister in law giving birth and you know, one of the things that I think creeps up for so many people is this sense of that there's fear, right? There's the fear of death, there's the fear of the unknown. There's a fear of all kinds of things. And you know, the Bible speaks really clearly about fear. You know what's interesting, I love for you to share this though. There's both the healthy fear and there's an unhealthy fear. Right. And you know, if you go back and read the Bible, what's talked about and maybe you know this number. I don't, but I'm just share. I feel like it's close to equally. But the Bible talks about fearing God as much as it does loving God.

[John Bevere]

I know it's 200 and sometimes the fear of God appears.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Let me say this, it talks about both a lot, A lot. And so talk to me about fear of God because I think we're in a world today where especially in a Protestant church where the word fear of God, I think a lot of Protestants would be like, well, I shouldn't fear God. That's not appropriate. Right. But I think I see a lot of. We've had so many pastors fall, right? There's been so many of these issues happening and a lot of it. And I heard you preach a message on this that some of it might be coming from the lack of fear of God.

[John Bevere]

Yes, without a doubt. Oh wow. You just opened up a great, great can here. So let's, let's talk about healthy fears because first of all, let's, let's, let's diffuse the thought that all, all fear is bad. The healthy fear of not being mauled by a mother grizzly bear will give me the wisdom to not mess with her cubs in front of her. That's a healthy fear.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

All right, so the fear of the Lord is not unhealthy. It's actually very healthy. So the fear of the Lord, I would say, if you want to, what is, how do you define it? Because the Bible does talk over 200 times in the Bible about that we should fear God. And the rewards are amazing. Like there's over 40 promises. I just read in my Bible reading this morning. The fear of the Lord prolongs life. It gives you a longer life.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yes.

[John Bevere]

Okay, so there are other rewards. I could go on and on and on. The fear of the Lord, those who fear God will never lack any bread. I mean I could go on and on and on. The fear of the Lord, if you want to give the first definition, is not to be scared of God. It's actually being terrified of being away from God. See, does that make sense? I don't want to be away from him. I remember a minister who is one of the best known ministers on the planet who was sentenced to five years in prison, asked me to come visit him and I asked him the question. I said, when did you stop loving Jesus? And he said to me, I didn't. I said, hold on a minute. Like you committed adultery. This is known by public. You were doing all this, this illegal stuff that you're put in jail for, for seven years. What do you mean you didn't stop? He said, john, I loved him all the way through it. And he saw confusion on my face. I was only 36 years old when he said it. He said, john, I didn't fear God. And he said, there are millions of Christians, they love Jesus. They do not fear God. So if you look at the love of God, the love of God keeps us from becoming legalistic and mean spirited.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Right.

[John Bevere]

The fear of God keeps us from becoming lawless, sinning. Okay. The Bible says by the fear of the Lord one departs from evil. It does not say by the love of God one departs from evil. He loved Jesus deeply while he was in his seven years of. Because he actually said to me when I walked into the, to prison, the, the, the, the visiting area and this is a federal pen penitentiary. He said, if I would have kept living the way I was living, I would have ended up in hell forever. Wow. He said I was so wicked and I could tell there was a great transformation. I mean he, he said they were spending three hours a day reading scripture in the prison.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

Okay. So the fear of the Lord, if you look at Isaiah 11:3, is what Jesus delighted in.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

Now stop and think about it. If he delighted in the fear of The Lord shouldn't we. Isaiah 33. 6 tells us, the fear of the Lord is God's treasure. It actually says in another version, it is the key to the treasure house of God. Wow. If you look at what Paul writes in Philippians, he said, work out your salvation with fear and trembling, not love and kindness.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

In other words, we mature salvation through the holy, healthy fear of the Lord.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You know, I want to mention this. I had Michael Knowles on the podcast. You know Michael Knowles.

[John Bevere]

I love Michael. He's hilarious.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

He's so good. I think he's Sicilian, too. Oh, yeah. Like, okay.

[John Bevere]

Yeah.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

So. So I love him. He's awesome.

[John Bevere]

I felt so bad. Can I give you a funny story?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Bevere]

We were at Lila Rose's fundraiser for Live Action.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And she put us at the dinner table with Michael Niles. I had no idea who he was, so I was like, where do you live? Where do we go to church? Where do you. Fellowship? And he's like, you know, he was so kind because he could see I didn't know him from Adam. Right.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's got just. I mean, if you're comparing him to, like, Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh, who are just very hard. Fact. Rugged, and he's kind of like the. You know, the warmer one. And so. But we had a great conversation because he's Catholic. And I grew up with half my family Catholic, half Protestant, so we talked a lot about kind of the differences there. But one of the things we talked about is growing up, for me, when I saw the Catholic side of my family, it was fear of the Lord. And some of it was really healthy, but there was the missing love. But then growing up in some Protestant churches, one I'm thinking about particular is a Methodist church. It was all love. Absolutely no fear.

[John Bevere]

Right?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

None at all. And so I think it's so easy for Catholic churches or Protestant churches to get in a ditch of those things when it's like, you got to have both. And I think I even think about this makes me think of Genesis a little bit. Listen, you need to have night and day. You need to work hard. You need to rest. Like, if you're missing one of those elements, you end up in a ditch.

[John Bevere]

Yeah. Yeah. I was raised Catholic.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Oh, you are? Okay.

[John Bevere]

I always say that I'm so grateful for my Catholic roots because it taught me two things, Respect for authority and the fear of the Lord. Now, I walked away from it because I got around people who were Protestant who weren't that way.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And it took an encounter with God that was profound in 1994, that caused me to awaken how important the fear of the Lord is. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. It's also the fountain of wisdom. It's the beginning of understanding. It's the beginning of knowing God intimately. Do you know that? Psalm 25, verse 14 in the New Living translation says, friendship with the Lord is reserved for those who fear Him. If you look at Abraham, he feared God. God told him to go sacrifice his son. He didn't know why. It didn't make any sense. Isaac's supposed to be the one. The promise comes through. And yet we read the next morning after God spoke to him. He was on his way to do it. The fear of the Lord means we put him and His Word above everything and everyone else.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

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[John Bevere]

Honor, awe.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

A W E. Awe is a big part of it. Wonder. It is. You know, when you. Okay, you look at Isaiah, he's the most godly man in all of Israel. He sees the throne room. God transports him out of his body to the throne room, sees the massive seraphim. When he sees the Lord, he falls on his face and says, I woe is me. I am completely undone. Which means in our terminology, I'm coming apart at the scenes. So here he is groveling on the floor, and this is the most godly man in Israel. What happened? For the first time in his life, he realizes who this God is he's serving. The first time in his life, he realizes who I am before this holy God. If you look at Moses, he's the most godly man in his generation. But Hebrews tells us when God manifested, Moses quaked with fear. If you look at Job, God said about Job, there's not a more righteous man on the planet. Can you. I mean, if somebody says that Josh Axe is the most godly man in Franklin, Tennessee, you would be like, oh, my gosh, what an honor, right? God says, this is the most godly man on the entire planet Earth.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

Job. Job 44. God comes and Job says, I've heard about you. By the hearing of the ear, my eye sees you. I abhor myself. What's happened? He just realizes who he is before this holy God. If you look at John the Apostle, he's the closest disciple to Jesus, right? He's right next to him at the Last Supper. He puts his head on his chest, right? Jesus appears to him on the island of Patmos. He falls down like a dead man. We must remember who it is we are serving. The one who put the stars in the universe with his fingers and called everyone by name. The one who measured the universe with the span of his hand. He weighed every drop of earth in the palm of his hands. He has chosen to make us his sons and daughters. That's why John writes, what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us, that God Almighty would look at us, that the angels go, what is mere mortals and call us his sons and daughters. Oh, what a salvation.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It's amazing. It's amazing. You know, you wrote an amazing book called the Awe of God. And I love that book. You know, it reminds me, there is a book I wrote by a guy named Abraham Joshua Heschel. I think it's called God's Search for Man or it's something like that. But the book is all about Judaism and the awe and wonder of God. In terms of, like, what is one of the first, like, when you're talking about what is the first thing when it comes to relationship with God, it's this awe of wonder, of sitting there, like, marveling and wow and on. I can't believe this is sort of Isaiah of the unraveling there. And that's part of fear, right? You know, and I thought about it like this. Like, you know, Chelsea and I actually had this conversation because my wife is so deep and so theological and philosophical too. And we were talking about. A conversation came up at, like, a date night. Like, should our kids fear us? And part of what I was sharing was, yes, in a very specific way. A lot of what you talked about, well, you know, in terms of, like, you want your kids to respect you or else, you know, they don't listen to you. Right. If you don't respect someone, you don't listen to them. But there also should be a fear in the sense of knowing, like, okay, for my daughters right now that are 2 and 5 at least, like, I'm kind of like, in control of their life, their success, all kinds of things. And the same thing, like my relationship with God. There's a level of fear of knowing, like, you are the sole person for the most part. I mean, obviously I have free will, but you're the person that most determines whether I'm successful or I fail. My entire future, my entire eternity, how could I not fear that person?

[John Bevere]

It's a healthy fear. And I think a reason a lot of our kids have gone astray.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Well, by the way, this is also the reason why more people are flocking into the Catholic Church for the first time and forever is because process, it got way too far over. And I truly believe it's that single factor. It's the lack of fear.

[John Bevere]

Yeah. I looked at our children, we were raising them all for serving God. And Lisa and I said, look where your friends second. We're your parents first. And when we need to have that parent hat on, if you cross the line, you break you. You break the laws we've established for this household, you will be disciplined. So they carried a fear, a healthy fear.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And you know, the writer of Hebrews actually says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of judgment of the hands of a living God.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And you know that that doesn't motivate us, it protects us.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Can I ask you this, because I think this is interesting. When I went back and studied, I love going back and reading about the early saints and many of the preachers who were part of the founding of America and things. When I go back and read about people like Jonathan Edwards as an example of this, their sermons were focused less on the love of God. Now that was woven in. But if you've ever heard of Jonathan Hedford sermon.

[John Bevere]

Oh yeah.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It was in the hands of an angry God. Yeah. So I am interested because here's what it's making me think of. Like, if I'm at a place where, like, if I want to create transformation in someone's life, okay, is it more effective, do you think, to help somebody reach the bottom and humble them or do you think to make them feel great at first? Because here's the thing, if somebody's saying, God loves you so much, you're amazing, he's got a plan for your life. That's motivating to me. But if somebody's in a tough place in life, I think it's more motivating to bring you down because it's like if you're at the bottom, there's only one place to look that's up. Right. I mean, that's when people see the greatest transformation when they're at the bottom.

[John Bevere]

Anyways, the apostle Jude writes, some save with faith, compassion. Others say with fear.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow. Okay.

[John Bevere]

Alice Cooper is a friend of ours. Alice and Cheryl Cooper. Okay. You know, school's out forever. I remember when he called our office. Our 22 year old receptionist who was in the executive office, she's hanging up the phone, she goes, I've heard everything. Now. Guy named Alice wants to meet John. And my assistant who was 55 at the time I was about. I was, it was in my early 50s, she was 55. She goes, Alice Cooper? And she goes, yeah. How did you know, she goes, give me his number. Right? So anyway, he loves golf and he wanted, he wanted to play golf with me because he knew I, you know, I like golf. So Lisa and I, before we played golf, we just so happened. We were both in Hawaii, we were ministering, they were just resting. And he asked to have dinner with us, he and Cheryl. And we had a three hour dinner. And you know what he said to me? He said I didn't get saved through the love of God. He said, now I love Jesus with all my heart now. He said I got saved by the fear of God. He said, I came home from a concert one night in 1992 and I knew I was going straight to hell and I was going to be judged by God. Wow. I started seeking diligently to find the truth, he said, I started going to churches and eventually I found a church that preached the truth to me. And so, you know, he and his wife still, you know, walk with Jesus. And it was the fear of the Lord that brought him in.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

And so, I mean, you know, it reminds me of this. So like in my. What makes a really good practitioner and physician? Like, I'm talking about the next level. So there's one level and there's. But then there's another level is when they can personalize something. Because a lot of doctors today are like, you know, one. A lot don't even recommend diet. But then some are like, everyone should be keto, everyone should be carnivore, everybody should be vegan. But the thing you got to realize is when you work off patients, you're like, everyone is a unique individual. We've got to customize what this person needs. And from what I'm. From what, from what I'm hearing is some people need to know about the love of God and that's going to be transformational. And for some people, they need to know the fear of God and everybody to reach their optimal potential needs both now, eventually.

[John Bevere]

Because there are a lot of people that need to be won by the love of God, right? Yeah, there's a lot of people that need to be won by the fear of God. But as they walk, shortly after in their walk, they'll learn the other.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

So if you came in by the fear of God, just as Alice said, he said, now I love Jesus. If you come in the love of God, you better learn the fear of the Lord. Because if you look at, if you look at Adam and Eve, they didn't fear God. They fell. They didn't endure forever in the garden See, the Bible says in Psalm 19, verse 8, the fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever. So the Holy Spirit spoke to me one day. He said, read Psalm 19. And I went there. And he said, son, Lucifer led worship right before my throne. He didn't fear me. He did not endure in heaven forever. He said, a third of the angels surrounded my throne. They beheld my glory. They didn't fear me. They didn't endure forever. Adam and Eve walk with me in the cool of the garden. They didn't fear me. They didn't. They didn't endure forever. Why is it that 50% of the pastors in America right now only last five years? 50%.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

Because we have not taught healthy fear of God.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You know, this brings me into. And by the way, your books are so phenomenal. I'd encourage people. The Awe of God is an unbelievable book. In fact, my family was going to your conferences, listening. I've read the book. It was amazing. You got a new book called the King is Coming.

[John Bevere]

Yeah.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

And I think this is sort of like part two. This is the other part of this fear of God.

[John Bevere]

Because that's what my editor said. That's amazing. You just said that after he edited, he said, this is all of God, Part two.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Because it's. It's like, you know what? Like, there's a principle of success, and it's this. The longer you can think out and plan out, the more successful you'll be. Right. And so the book the King Is Coming is. This is. We're preparing, but we're acting like eternities now. Like, we gotta get ready now. You know, I've noticed this, like, in business and in health, if you're gonna be successful or be the best at anything or live your best life, you have to have a sense of urgency. And for a lot of people, it's kind of floating through life and like, well, you know, I'll get to it one day. Or, you know, if you go about that way in business, you're gonna fall flat on your face. If you go that way in education, if you go about your health, well, I'll get to it in 10 years versus, no, I'm gonna urgently focus. You know, who does this mostly when I have a patient come in with cancer? And I mean this to say there's an urgency of, okay, there is something really serious here, and I've gotta take action now. So I'm gonna change. I'm gonna go do Gershon therapy. I'm gonna go from eating, you know, frosted Flakes and cream cheese and pizza to now juicing vegetables every single meal and doing supplements and hyperbaric chamber and all the things, there's an urgency. But you know what? I wrote this in my last. I put this in an upcoming book I have coming out. I eat like I have cancer every day. Like if you're going to be your healthiest version. And so if you can really tap into that thing. And so your books remind me of this. The king is coming. So talk to me about this a little bit. How do we start to act with urgency every day to live our best lives?

[John Bevere]

Well, you're absolutely right on urgency. I used to watch people and I thought they got apathetic when they talked about his second coming. And I realized, no. When you're at the end of a 5k race and you're at the 100 meters left and you see the finish line, you run the fastest. You've run the whole race.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Right.

[John Bevere]

A football team that's down 10 points at half doesn't do much. They're down 10 points with five minutes left. They're in a hurry up offense.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

That's right.

[John Bevere]

So it creates a sense of urgency. Now, I stayed away from this subject for four decades. Do you know that this is the first year in 42 years of ministry I've preached a message on the second coming in an American church?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

The reason is I didn't like what I saw. I saw people arguing over pre trib, post trip, mid trip, all that stuff. I saw people when. Who was it anyway? The guy wrote the book 88 Reasons of why Jesus is Coming back in 1988. Now, this is. This is before your time. Okay. Yeah. Edgar Weinset and I watched my friends, you know, buy it hook, line and sinker. We all did. I watched them run up their credit cards. I mean, he's coming in September of 88. They ran up, they stopped paying their mortgage, they stopped eating healthy, they didn't take care of the body, stopped going to the gym. So I didn't like what I saw. I didn't like the arguments. I didn't like this. And so in 20, people used to ask me, they'd say, don't you preach on the second coming. I said, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not called to do that. 20, 20, God had me, really drew me in. And he said, son, it was like, I almost felt like he was saying, study my second coming. Well, Josh, the first thing I noticed is that I became kinder to my wife. I became more tender to my family. I didn't get upset at my staff so easily. I started weeping that I would get the opportunity to win souls to Jesus. I became more passionate about misery. And I thought. I thought, wait a minute, this is good fruit. I'm not getting lazier. I'm actually getting more passionate. And so the other thing I found out is that it's the second most talked about subject in the entire Bible.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Well, by the way, I watch a lot of your YouTube videos, and these are your most popular topics. It's the end times from what I've seen, or at least up there, because

[John Bevere]

everybody has a sense that we're in the final days of the last days. The last days began on the day of Pentecost, but we're in the final days of the last days. And so it was. It was the number. It was number two subject. Early church fathers wrote about 320 scriptures in the New Testament on the second coming. That's one out of every 30 scriptures. So the first question that comes to me is, what's the wisdom of God in doing this? And I realized, okay, where the bride. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? Because the Bible makes a statement. The marriage of the lamb has come. The bride has made herself ready. To her, it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous works of the saints. Now, we're saved by grace, can't earn our salvation. But it's interesting that we're making our wedding ground, our gown by our obedience and our works to God. Okay, so here you are, you're doing podcasts. You're helping people with their health. God is gifting you in this area. You are working for him. You're doing it for his glory. Right? This is what he's called you to do. I believe you've got a beautiful wedding gown ready for this day. Right. Okay. Most Christians probably don't have enough material to make a bikini, let alone a wedding gown.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

All right.

[John Bevere]

But the bride has made herself ready.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Now, can you imagine when Lisa and I were engaged? We were living in Dallas, both working in Dallas, and we were engaged for four months, which is far too long.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Oh, gosh, I agree. Chelsea and I were six months, and that was too long.

[John Bevere]

So, yeah, yeah, guys, if you're single, do short engagements. Anyway, the last two months of that four months, she went back to Indiana, get the church ready. The. What was it, a historic home, ready for the reception. And I flew up, and sure enough, my gosh, I mean, she made the church so pretty. But when I lost it is when she showed up the back door with that gorgeous gown.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[John Bevere]

I'd never seen anything so pretty in my entire life.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And still haven't. What if she showed up at that back. What if I got to the church, there was nothing, and she showed up the back door with it. With just a rundown old dress that had grime on it, stains on peanut butter stains torn in a few places. Her hair was all unkempt. She had no makeup on. What, what. What would. What, what would have gone through me? This day is not very important to her. Now, it might be important right now at the moment, but she didn't plan for it. She didn't prepare for it.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

The wife has made herself ready. He's our groom. We're his bride.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It's so important to remember it's a relationship.

[John Bevere]

It's a relationship. It's not an event. The second coming has been treated like an event.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It's your wedding.

[John Bevere]

It's the reuniting of two lovers. Do you know that he doesn't even know the day? The father does? And this is. I have a whole chapter in here on the ancient Jewish wedding. They would get betrothed, not engaged. Betrothed is actually married, but they'd leave each other for about a year. And he would build the room off his dad's house. In my house, there are many rooms, right? I mean, Jesus said it. These guys know what he's talking about. It's wedding talk. And he said, and I. If I've told you there's enough rooms, I will come and receive you. The word receive is per lombano, which is also used when he said, two people will be in the field. One will be taken, the other left.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Two women at the mill. Two take, one taken, another left. Same Greek word, paralamano. Okay, so what Jesus is saying, these disciples, they know exactly what he's saying. I'm your groom. He's been talking about being the groom member. He said, when the bridegroom's with. With them, they don't need to fast. He's been talking about this and. And now he's saying, I'm going to come back and get you because you're my bride. Now, the groom in the ancient Jewish wedding, these guys all knew they would be separated for a year. They're married. This you in it. When you're engaged, you just break the engagement, give the wedding ring, the engagement ring back, and it's done. Back then, when you're betrothed you're married, you have to go through a divorce. Remember when Joseph found out Mary was pregnant during their betrothal, they're separated, he finds out. And there was two ways you divorce, publicly or privately. Private embarrasses the bride. Public embarrasses the whole family. He chose to do it privately because he was a just man. So here, here's Jesus doesn't even know the day or the hour, and he's waiting for the father to say, go get your girl. Wow. So if I can say this without being irreverent, it's a lovesick groom coming back for a lovesick bride. Wow. And they can't wait. When she and I were separated that two months, it was the longest two months of my entire life. I never have known two months that are longer. A day seemed like a week, and a week seemed like a month. And all I could think about was that wedding. All I could think about is the day I'm going to fly up there and see her.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And I remember when we were two days away, I'm on the phone with her and I said, I'm going to see you soon, babe. Not that two days was nothing compared to the two months.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah, right.

[John Bevere]

The Bible says a day with the Lord's a thousand years, and a thousand years is a day. He's been gone two days. Because in Revelation, he says four times, I am coming soon. The apostles wrote, I am coming soon. When you look at 2000 years compared to eternity, bam. I mean, if you look at our life, our life, our entire life, if I live to be 84 years old, I've lived two hours. Because one hour to God is 42.6 years.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

That's crazy.

[John Bevere]

All right, so. But when you look at through the scope of eternity, so what he's looking for is a bride he can trust. Lucifer turned on God. We have been tested in enemy territory. We stay faithful in enemy territory. We long for his return. We eagerly look for his return. We build that bond of trust.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You know, this is making me think of as well, is a lot of times when people go about trying to find their spouse, they're out there looking for the right person, and you should do that. But there's also an element of, I'm going to become the right type of person that's going to attract the right type. Right. I'm going to try and become the person that's going to attract that type of person. And, you know, for Jesus, we know it's somebody that has the same character. He does that's what he's going to find attractive. Somebody who's, you know, loving and kind and patient and feeding his sheep, taking care of, you know, it's just. And so I love that you're sharing this perspective because I think it's so helpful to think in these terms when it comes to eternity, what it is. Because I think, to be honest, I think when most people think of eternity, maybe they're thinking of heaven. Even before Jesus, I'm going to go up to heaven. And I don't think most people know what that's even. I don't think anybody knows necessarily what it's going to be like.

[John Bevere]

You know, when people talk about eschatology, which. Eschatology is the study of end times often, and it's reduced down to dates, timelines, signs, wonders, blood, moons. That's important. But what's more important is being prepared. Think about it. When we were in college, I know we didn't have cell phones when I was in college. When I'm studying engineering at Purdue University, the dreaded finals week. We had to go to the engineering mall, go to the mechanical engineering building. They had a big post and it had all my classrooms, buildings, and times of each of my finals that took me 10 minutes.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

But I spent days preparing.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

So this book is really not about timelines and dates, although I do talk about it because it's still important that 5, 10 minutes to get those classroom times. I could have prepared all I could, but if I didn't know that right, I'm in trouble. I do talk about it, but the bulk of this book is how are we supposed to prepare ourselves? The bride has made her self ready, does not say God made her ready. And I. That's what the real message of this book is. How do we. Because the Bible says this. When Jesus returns, I'm going to quote you first. John 2. 28. My little children. Stop. Who's he talking to? Everybody or just Christians?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Just Christians.

[John Bevere]

My little children remain in fellowship with him, that when he appears, we may have confidence and not shrink back in shame. He just told Christians one of two responses. When he returns, a believer is either going to be ashamed or confident. I want people confident. That's why I believe God really dealt with me to write this book. I, when I, when I dove in, I spent thousands of hours on this, not hundreds. In 2020, I didn't think I was ever going to write a book on this. And when the Lord dealt with me and then had two major ministers confirm it, I thought, oh, My goodness. So, okay. And I spent the entire year of 2025 writing it. And no book I've written. This is the 25th book I've written and I've written every single one of the books except for two. I had collaborators on two of them. One was a fiction, one was a little tiny book. No book impacted me personally, like this one. More. No book More was more impactful. I remember mornings I went to breakfast and I came downstairs because I do most of my writing in the morning, and I looked at Lisa and I said, I'm so sorry. I'm so quiet right now. I am so riveted by what the Holy Spirit's doing in me from this message. It really is a transforming message.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

What would you say to believers? Because I think some believers. Because to your point, eschatology feels so unknown and so kind of. There's so many disagreements onto your point, Premill, you know, which is. It's so interesting. Kirk Cameron came on the show pretty recently and you know, he was in the Left behind series, which is pre mill, right?

[John Bevere]

Yep.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

And then now. And then now he's coming out saying, I don't believe pre mill. I'm more probably post male, but actually I'm not sure what he said. He said, yeah, post trip. And I talk about that and there

[John Bevere]

are four chapters, but go ahead.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah. But anyways, I think a lot of times it's like people, a lot of Christians are like, it's confusing. I just don't even want to hear about it or read it altogether. But why should people still pay attention to this?

[John Bevere]

This is a really good question. All right, My kids have a hundred piece puzzle. The Holy Spirit showed me this. It was magnificent. Okay, first of all, before I talk about that puzzle, let's look at his first coming. There was a lot of ambiguity, a lot of uncertainty, a lot of controversy, a lot of mockery. But the Essenes got it right. The Essenes recognized him and predicted his execution to the weak. They're the ones that were very protective over the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right. They were in a community called Qumran, but they were also scattered throughout Israel. Many believe John the Baptist was in a scene the Essene started in the 150 years before Jesus. Right. Another guy that was in a scene was Simeon. And Simeon is this guy that recognizes the Messiah when he's 40 days old in the temple. The Pharisees can't recognize him when he's 30 years old. Casting out demons. That's remarkable. The Pharisees could quote the first Five books of the Bible, but they can't recognize God manifested in the flesh when he's right in front of them. Wow. Wow. I mean, that is remarkable.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

So if you look at the Essenes,

[Dr. Josh Axe]

can I say this? Because, man, it's making me think of this and I just think it's a really big deal. So when I think about the Essenes, this group was a little bit more removed, right? They were a little bit more were focusing on scripture. And we're not getting caught up in the media and the Pharisees and the, you know, the Roman government, like, they weren't getting caught up in all of that stuff as much. They were more focused on scripture.

[John Bevere]

They love God. The Pharisees love money. The Pharisees love their positions. But anyway, let's get back to this because you asked a really good question. The Bible says in First Peter 1:10 about his first coming, the prophets and the Essenes. I'm going to add the Essenes because they were like the prophets inquired and searched diligently of what manner of time and what time Jesus would come in his first coming. So listen to the word inquired. That means really cried out to God and prayed and they searched diligently. I mean, searching the Scriptures, the sacred writings. Right? That's what the Essenes did. All right, so my kids got this hundred piece puzzle, my grandkids, and I laid all the puzzle pieces out and God put this in my heart. I took a picture of it and I showed it people and I said, what is that? They go, we don't know. That's the person who doesn't look at all at prophecy. It's all so ambiguous. I don't even want. I have a board member who told me the only. He's a good, He's a great guy. He said, the only book of the Bible, John, I have not read is Revelation. I said, why? He said, it scares me. Why does it scare him? Because it's all those puzzle pieces. All right, Now a teacher gives those hundred puzzle pieces to the classroom, has the classroom divided up into eight groups of four. Okay? Now this is a real puzzle. I actually have pictures of this on my phone. And the teacher says, the first group that tells me what region of the world this puzzle is a picture of, you win. So one group assembles a picture and I've got a picture of it. It's two polar bears. They go arctic. The piece goes, no. Another group assembles a couple, about five pieces and it's got two panda bears. China. No, another group assembles a picture and it's got a bunch of horses and donkeys. Oh, McDonald's farm, North America. No. Another group, two tigers, China or India. No. Okay. Another group assembles about eight pieces and they get elephants and giraffes and this, they go Africa. No. But the smart group assembles the whole puzzle and you know what it's a picture of? Noah's Ark. The answer was Armenia, Turkey, the Middle, Southeast Asia or Middle East. This is what happens. This is why you have the ambiguity. Because people are doing it more out of feelings, what they think instead of diligently inquiring. Now I've got a couple thousand hours of seeking God. So there's a lot in here that could save people time. So what I've learned is find the people that, you know, they've really sought God and not just listen to what everybody else said, but they have found in the scripture why they believe it's a pre tribulation rapture or whatever, mid or post. I, I put it in there because I use scripture and it's so clear. The scripture is so clear on it, but it's not clear to most people. They go, give me the one verse, one verse that shows me when the rapture is going to happen. Right. I've had people say that. Right. That's like taking one of those hundred pieces, holding it up and saying, oh yeah, you're going to tell me what that, that's a picture of that one piece. Yeah, you it. God made it this way. Do you know what the early church had? They had prophecy meals. This is something they did frequently. The first three centuries, they basically would get together, eat fellowship, and then they would do nothing but talk about the prophetic scripture. 28% of the scripture when it was written was prophetic. Look at the frequency it's written about. God intended us to search diligently and inquire about his coming. It keeps us hungry.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah, it's so good. You know, one of the things I think that I see today, a lot of Christians taking part in. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. I mean, if you go on social media today, it's hard to not get distracted by something. You know, you and I were talking about this just for a few minutes before there's this giant feud going on. Even like the Republican Party, you've got like Candace Owens here and Ben Shapiro here and then Tucker Carlson and you know, all the, all of these people arguing. I see Christians getting caught up in, oh, you know, taking a side on, you know, this person or this person or whatever. And it feels to me like it's so divisive and such a distraction and taking away from this.

[John Bevere]

The enemy loves that because the house divided cannot stand. We're in a propaganda war right now. And you know what? People are so wise that they just keep a pulse on what's happening in society and not get involved in what people are saying in their opinions, because so much of what they're saying isn't even true. When you go and you really research it.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Oh, yeah.

[John Bevere]

So this is the way I see it. I'm like, lord, what's really important. Help me, help me. Help me see what's really important that I need to know. Like, you know what's really interesting to me? I watch people get more upset over a racial. What appears to be a racial issue. What appears, appears may not even be than 60,000 Iranians being slaughtered right now by their government. They're more up in arms about these things than they are about people being slaughtered. What is going on? I'm talking about believers. I'm not talking about unbelievers. I'm talking about believers. They're giving more attention on social media, talking more about this or, you know, is the president oracious? Is he not? You know, what, is that really important? What's really important is about 60,000 people in Iran have been slaughtered. Little boys, little girls, Christians.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Wow. And we're not giving our time and attention to that.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

We're slaughtering babies every day. We're not in mother's wombs.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Thank God for Lila Rose and others. We're not giving attention to that. We have hundreds of Christians being slaughtered in Nigeria. We're not talking about that. We have billions who've never heard the gospel. And we're not talking about. We're talking about, is President Trump a racist? We are so sick. I'm talking about in the way we view things in the church in America. You want to know what it is? We're not like the South American Brazilian Church we were just talking about. They're looking at eternity. They're like, how do we get people saved and discipled? Jesus said, go make disciples of every nation. Right. Go into all the world, make disciples of all nations. And we're arguing about, is somebody a racist or not? And I mean, consuming social media for two days.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

I'm so glad you said that because this is where I was going to go next. My point was going to be, who are you following? Right. I mean, I think social media especially, we start following These people. And we don't even realize we're being discipled by somebody who's evil, somebody who's following a lie, somebody who's just wandering off versus to your. One of the things again that I've loved so much about this book and what you've been preaching for the past few years is this focusing on the eternal, focusing on Jesus, Second coming, focusing on that, that and what a difference it'll make.

[John Bevere]

You know, I have a pastor who pastors a very large church and his father turned it over to him and he got up and just spoke something very godly, very true and lost 500 families. And I was on the phone with him. He said, john, I realize they're being discipled by culture, not by scripture. If they were discipled by scripture, he wouldn't have lost any families. He just simply got up and prayed for someone. That's all he did. He prayed for someone and lost 500 families.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

That's how divisive social media. I used to think mainstream media was evil. Now I understand social media is a lot more effective in getting people divided. And Jesus said, the house divided won't stand our nation. If we don't have a move of God and we get away from this divisiveness and this offense, we're in big trouble.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

There's. I don't know if you know who Ray Dalio is. He's this financial expert. What he does is he studies patterns from the past and how those apply today. So financial systems, when systems, like he studied Rome, like, why did it rise? Why did it fall happened. And so, I mean, he shared, he's like, right now, the United States, China, these countries, he's like, right now we're on the. He's like, it's part of the pattern of the US if we don't fix something soon because the divisiveness, it's very, very close to all out civil war crumbling. He's like, we're on that path unless something radically changes.

[John Bevere]

Right.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It's. It's not a matter of if.

[John Bevere]

It's just when we're in a civil war. Right now it's men's souls. We don't have guns yet, but words are, words are so deadly.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

And so we need a move of God. If we don't have a move of God, I don't know how much longer the backbone that our founding fathers have established can hold up. It's only, I think it's because we have been a friend to Israel and because we have given so Much to world missions. I think it's keeping us afloat. I think, Yeah. I think we've touched the heart of God. Remember, Cornelius gave to the poor. America has. I was told one time, and I wish I would have researched this before I say it, so please check me out. I was told, Americans, philanthropy, a billion dollars a day.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Wow.

[John Bevere]

If you put all the Americans together, the foundations, all the giving, the churches, the tithing, whatever, everything. We give a billion dollars a day. And we have done so much for nations that are so hurting, you know, as far as reaching them with the gospel, drilling wells, building orphanages. I mean, some of the most beautiful believers I've met in the world. I've been to 61 nations preaching the Gospel. Some of the most beautiful are right here in the United States. They pray diligently. It reminds me of the Church of Sardis. I talk about this. This is one of the chapters. The Church of Sardis was a very opulent city. Even the other cities in the ancient world envied Sardis because they had so much wealth in Sardis. They didn't persecute you for your faith. They didn't care who you served. They just wanted to be rich and live, live, have a good time. It affected the church negatively. And Jesus says to this church, you have a reputation for being alive, but you're dead. Oh, my goodness. What gives the church a reputation for being alive? Great songs, good music, good foyer, great coffee in the foyer, good inspiring messages. He said, you have a reputation being alive. You're dead. And he said, why are they dead? Because he said, I find that your actions don't meet the requirements of my God. That's what Jesus said to them. And he said, wake up. He said, before that, which he said, you have some things that are almost dead. They haven't died yet. If you don't wake up, they're going to die. But then he makes the statement, this is the whole reason I went to this. He said, but there are some in Sardis who have not stained their clothes, their wedding garment. They've not stained. How do you stain your wedding garment? Jude said, hating the garment defiled by the flesh. James said, true, true religion is to stay unspotted from the world. Jesus said, there's a few in Sardis. There's some in Sardis who haven't stained their garment. They will walk with me in white. I look at this nation and there are some of the greatest believers I've ever met in the world. And they're the sum. But there are so Many that say, I'm a Christian, but yet they're fighting on social media about their tribe, about their conditions, about their church, about their pastor. You know, maybe they're not talking well, I mean, it's. It's really sad. And, you know, you look and you go, how are we not any different than society?

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

How are we not any different? Jesus said, they'll know us by our loved one for another. Yet you're so divided.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You know, it's interesting because if you look at a lot of these social media followers that profess to be Christians, I think about, are you taking care of the widows? Are you taking care of the orphans? Are you being kind of.

[John Bevere]

Yeah.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

You know, are you being. Are you giving people grace? They messed up. Okay. Is there grace there? Are you, you know, attacking them and beating them down and trying to shame them? And, you know, it just. It's so. But. But that's what's happening. I mean, it's. It's really. It's become so divisive. Last question for you. What do we need to do? What's the number one thing we need to do to prepare for. For.

[John Bevere]

For the Lord's coming walk in true, authentic, genuine holiness? It's the only description of the bride he's coming back for. It's not a relevant church. It's not a community church. All that's important.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

How do we prepare?

[John Bevere]

You stay in the word, you stay in prayer, and you keep. The Bible says, set your affections on things above. So just as I set my sights on my wedding day, and it caused me to think about my wife nonstop for four months, especially the two months she was gone, I wasn't even interested in looking at another girl. The most beautiful girl in the world is up in Indiana getting ready to be joined to me. I'm like, great. You know, you're a pretty blonde. You're a pretty brunette. You're not attractive to me. My sights are set on my girl.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

Yeah.

[John Bevere]

Okay. When our eyes get set on the things of heaven, not the things of this earth, will start living a more godly life. You know, I look at C.S. lewis, he said, the people that actually do the most in this life are the people who actually have their sights on heaven. And so he wrote that, and I thought that was very insightful. That's why I believe this book has helped me so much personally. What God has shown me is it got my sights in the right place.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

It's so powerful. Yeah. CS Lewis, I think. And maybe this is a different quote, but it's essentially the same thing. He says, you know, the people that do the most in this life are the ones that think the most about the next.

[John Bevere]

That's exactly the quote.

[Dr. Josh Axe]

And it's so, so good, and it's so powerful. You know, I remember Chelsea and I, we got married down in 30A. And I remember when I saw her, I was like, my breath caught, you know, I was like, oh, wow. You know, and it was that sense of, like, awe and wonder. Wow. You know? And that's the same way we should feel about Jesus, I think if you really spend time in God's word and meditating and realizing what he's done for you, how much he loves you, who he is, to your point, holding the world in the palm of his hand, there's a sense of awe. In a similar fashion, there's a sense of wonder. That he would die. Yeah, that's right. That he would die for you, My creator. Yeah. Yeah. It's overwhelming. It's transforming and it's powerful. And I want to encourage everybody, go out and get John's book here. It's called the King Is Coming. It's time to prepare for the return of Christ here. I want to encourage you guys to get it some bookstores nationwide. It's on Amazon.com Want to encourage you guys to get the book. There's something so powerful about just educating yourself and digging in and acting with urgency because the time. I want to say thanks so much for tuning in here to the Dr. Josh Axe Show. Remember, each week we're diving deep into the science and principles of how you can heal physically, mentally and spiritually and take your health and your life to the next level. Thanks so much to my friend John here. John, I love you. You're the best. And thanks so much. I want to encourage you also. John's got an amazing. His YouTube channel is unbelievable. So I'd encourage you to check out his YouTube. He's really dug deeper in some of these topics there as well. And by the way, the number one thing you can do to support the show here as well is subscribe and share it. There are millions, billions of people that aren't prepared. And so I want to encourage you, help them prepare for the return of Christ and to have a relationship with him. And you can do that by sharing and subscribing here to the show as well. Thanks so much for watching. Thanks again to John here and we'll see you on the next episode.

[John Bevere]

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