Episode #113 Guest Appearance with Dr. Daniel Pompa FROM PAIN TO PURPOSE Show!

Summary

The Dylan Gemelli Podcast – Episode #113: Guest Appearance with Dr. Daniel Pompa FROM PAIN TO PURPOSE Show!

Date: April 20, 2026
Host: Dylan Gemelli
Guest: Dr. Daniel Pompa

Main Theme & Purpose

This episode dives deep into the journey “From Pain to Purpose” as Dylan Gemelli shares his powerful, candid story of struggle, transformation, and redemption with Dr. Daniel Pompa. The conversation explores topics of addiction, eating disorders, body image, prison, accountability, faith, biohacking, supplements, hormones, SARMs, and the pursuit of true identity and purpose. Both Dylan and Dr. Pompa offer insight not just into science and health, but into the core wounds and beliefs that shape peoples’ lives—and how lasting change must reach beyond just surface habits.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Taking Accountability for One’s Story

• Dylan opens with the principle of full accountability—emphasizing that every step of his journey, even the darkest moments, was a result of his own choices:

  "People always say, oh, you overcame this... I caused it. I am an accountable person. I made myself into that situation and into that person. So there's one person to blame." (03:28)

• Dan highlights the power of responsibility, contrasting it to a culture of blame and rationalization.

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2. Early Life: Athletics, Modeling, and the Roots of Addiction

• Dylan’s early identity was tightly wound to athletic success—a four-sport athlete and college basketball player whose path was derailed by repeated injuries.
• After sports, he moved into modeling and acting, which switched the external pressures:

  "You get addicted to the attention, who you feel like everybody around you is making you to be... I never had a drug problem. I had a money problem and an addiction to like what people thought about me was my real problem." (09:24)

• The demands of the modeling world deepened Dylan’s insecurities and drove cycles of partying, financial instability, and the pursuit of surface validation.

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3. Development and Dynamics of Eating Disorders

• Dylan discusses the origins of his body dysmorphia and bulimia, rooted in being overweight as a child and absorbing cultural and familial messages about his appearance.

  "That's when the bulimia started; like, well, I'm going to just throw this up if I feel like it's bad." (11:48)

• Dan and Dylan dissect the layered nature of eating disorders, touching on:
  • The impact of early wounds, labels, or traumas (e.g., being called "fat").
  • The role of societal trends (e.g., low-fat dietary craze).
  • The distinction between “control motives” and fear, and the difference between anorexia and bulimia.
  • How unresolved identity wounds can underpin lifelong cycles of disordered eating and self-punishment.

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4. Prison, the Lowest Point, and A Turning Point

• Shockingly open, Dylan details his descent into criminal activity—drug dealing to sustain his lifestyle—which eventually landed him with a 15-year prison sentence.

  "I got a sweetheart deal, suspended sentence ... I violated the probation in the first month ... and then I just said, I don't care anymore." (25:12)

• Transformative moment in jail:
  After a pivotal phone call with his mother, Dylan broke down, feeling the weight of how his choices had hurt his family.

  “She goes, Dylan, you do this every day. Do you ever think about the people that are worried about you... Did you ever think about how that's affecting them? ... I broke. Then it hit me right then at that moment.” (33:48)

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5. Rebuilding: Self-Education, Faith & the Desire to Serve

• After prison, Dylan committed himself to learning. He immersed himself in exercise science, nutrition, and later, more advanced cellular biology and neuroscience.
• He expressed how faith in God became central, shifting him from knowledge alone into deeper spiritual alignment.

  "My whole premise on how I operate is God first. And that's when my life really changed, when I went that route." (05:26)

• Finding true identity: Both hosts emphasize how living from a place of false identity (external achievements, appearance, wealth) never satisfies. Only recognizing and living out one's God-given purpose gives peace.

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6. SARMs, Steroids, Supplements, and Health Industry Dangers

• Dylan describes becoming known as the “SARMs Guy”—building a YouTube following around discussing Selective Androgen Receptor Modulators as alternatives to steroids.
• Deep industry insight:
  • Many "SARMs" on the market were tainted with prohormones and actual steroids, accounting for many of the health horror stories and industry toxicity.
  • Dylan’s attitudes shift as he recognizes long-term risks:

    “I convinced myself that I was doing something really good... when in reality I should have just been saying, don't use them at all. And I damaged myself in the process.” (45:11)

• Both Dylan and Dan now focus on health optimization via more natural, science-backed supplementation, robust nutrition, and lifestyle—instead of risky shortcuts.

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7. Peptides, Biohacking, and Modern Optimization

• Practical discussion of modern biohacking tools and their proper (and improper) use:
  • Peptides: Safe options (BPC-157, TB500, GHK-Cu, KPV, MotS-c, CMAX), mechanisms, and real-world effects (joint repair, skin, gut, mitochondrial health).
  • Red flags about unsafe, over-marketed peptides and the critical need for quality control.
  • Both hosts weigh the pros and cons of new GLP-1 peptides (like Ozempic/semaglutide), warning of long-term risks vs. emergency use for severe obesity/diabetes, and critique the “quick fix” mentality.
  • Reputable labs mentioned: Umbrella Labs (88:35).
  • Practical caveat:

    "If you need something like that [peptide or SARM] to take you to the gym, you should reflect." (93:36)

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8. Hormones – Caution, Complexity & Restoration

• Dan & Dylan both warn against the widespread trend of blindly jumping to testosterone or estrogen therapy:
  • Roadmap: Always first look for the root cause (inflammation, cellular blockages, toxins, lifestyle, nutritional factors) before using hormone replacement.
  • Harm of stacking hormone therapies to “balance” each other without addressing root disruption (esp. in women and in ex-steroid users).
  • Long-term hormone use can suppress the body's own production and have unpredictable long-term dynamics.
  • Both advocate for working with practitioners who assess things like SHBG, heavy metals, endocrine disruptors, and use advanced tests (Dutch tests) to understand true hormone status, not just blood levels.
  • For men who have shut down natural production (ex. post-steroid), TRT may be necessary but should be carefully optimized (e.g., divided dosing, non-injectable options).

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9. Nutrition: Overcoming Old Habits, Fears, & Learning Metabolic Flexibility

• Dylan's journey from extreme fat-phobia and restrictive diets (even as a professional nutritionist) to embracing healthy dietary fats, whole foods, and metabolic flexibility.

  "How productive can you be, first of all, during the day? ... I was eating for about after I got out of prison. This started. I was eating, good days, 1800 calories a day... terrified of fat." (64:15)

• The liberating realization:

  "Every single food that I eat to this day is based around healthy fats... You know how pissed off I am that I have not been cooking in grass fed butter?" (68:22)

• Dan supports diet variation—shifting between macronutrient ratios seasonally as our ancestors did, not dogmatically adhering to one method.

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10. Mental, Emotional, & Spiritual Integration: Living Out Real Purpose

• Reinforced throughout: No supplement, diet, or "hack" replaces deep emotional healing, recovery of true self, and a foundational spiritual orientation.
• False identities create endless striving and suffering—purpose is found by "inviting God into the mess," embracing accountability, and serving others.
• Dylan’s mission: To use his story as a testament; help others realize they can overcome pain; encourage full honesty in health, mindset, and spirituality.

  "All I care about is what God put me here to do and making the impact I was meant to make. I have more value on time than anybody could ever imagine. I have lost time that I can't get back, but I value the time that I lost because it built me into who I am." (74:23)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On personal responsibility:

  “Everything happened in my life, I caused.” (62:30, Dylan)

• On body image & eating disorder triggers:

  “My hunger that got me in so much trouble for wanting to be the hot shot... was because of that [false identity]. Because I felt like I didn’t have it. And that’s why I became that person that got in trouble and went to prison.” (20:12, Dylan)

• On spiritual breakthrough:

  “I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car... And every night I'd go to bed, I'd look at her... and I'd be like, why don’t I feel good? ... This is why you feel bad. And you know what? I don't feel bad anymore.” (57:21, Dylan)

• On faith and lasting change:

  “You can believe all day long. But when the... hits the fan, do you trust?” (51:31, Dylan)

• On being real with his audience:

  “There is nobody out there... that you're going to get a realer story from or truth from, because I just don't care. I just do not care. All I care about is what God put me here to do and making the impact I was meant to make.” (74:23, Dylan)

• On purpose and pain:

  “The fact is, inviting God into that—the purpose will come.” (78:05, Dan)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Dylan’s accountability & eating disorder origins:
  [03:28] to [11:48]
• Discussion on identity wounds/fear:
  [12:18] to [20:42]
• Dylan’s prison story & crucial turning point:
  [23:57] to [33:48]
• Biohacking, SARMs, and supplement industry expose:
  [36:37] to [47:12]
• Peptides – what works, what to avoid, and current stacks:
  [81:56] to [93:51]
• Hormone optimization vs. replacement, careful approaches:
  [100:00] to [106:46]
• Advanced nutrition and metabolic recovery:
  [64:15] to [71:41]
• Finding real purpose & spiritual wisdom:
  [74:23] to [78:05], [75:44] to [77:52]

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Podcast Links & Contact

• Dylan Gemelli
  • Instagram
  • dylangemelli.com (in progress)
  • TikTok, YouTube: Dylan Gemelli Podcast

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Conclusion

This raw and inspiring conversation is far more than a health podcast—it's a masterclass in radical honesty, self-reflection, and resilience. Dylan’s and Dan’s vulnerability, practical wisdom, and faith-centered approach offer invaluable guidance to anyone looking to overcome adversity, recalibrate their health strategies, and find true purpose in their pain.

Transcript

[Dylan Jamelli]

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[Dan]

I had dyslexia as a kid, probably mostly for myself, because when you compare yourself to other kids and you can't read and you're in seventh grade, you're stupid. In my mind at that age, I didn't know that I had other superpowers because of the dyslexia.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car. And every night I'd go to bed, I'd look at her and I'd look around me and I'd be like, why don't I? I feel good. Like, why do I feel bad?

[Dan]

People focus on the love part of God, but they also forget his judgment. He's both.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Every single human. I don't care how glorious they make themselves look. I don't care how much money they have. I don't care. They all have issues.

[Dan]

Every hard thing that happened to me, I needed to happen. God is that good. Maximize your performance in every way. Peptides, sarms, exercise, nutrition, life in general. My next guest is going to bring it. Boy, you're going to get a lot out of this show. But I want to welcome Dylan Gamilli.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Thanks, man. I appreciate you having me.

[Dan]

Absolutely. I can't wait for this conversation because I use peptides, I use sarms. But one of the Things I always say is, look, they're not all healthy. So we're going to talk about that and maybe we even have some disagreements on which ones we think are healthier. I can't wait. No. My guests have been asking for more information on that topic. And so I'm really excited to bring that. You know a lot about hormones. Hormones. You know a lot about. Of a lot of things. Because pain to purpose.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

Has been your life. And I can't wait to hear where it all started. You spent time in jail. I mean, all these amazing things. That's what makes people better. Every great person in the Bible spent time. I mean, it's crazy. And sometimes it's just mental jail, like David as he ran from Saul. But you know, the fact is, is that that's where your whole life changed. So I want to start there. Yeah, yeah, I want to start there, man. Because. And if you, if you want to go back even before that to set that up, you knock at it. I love it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I like to talk about it. But let me just say this before I do that, because I, people always say, oh, you overcame this, overcame that. I caused it. I am an accountable person. I made myself into that situation and into that person. So, yeah, I did overcome it, but I also, I caused it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So. So there's one person to blame.

[Dan]

Yeah, that. And that's true. You know, I want to say this at the top of the show. Reason why I don't want people to tune out. Part of your story was also an eating disorder. And that is such hush hush. People don't talk about it. When you talk about that. When you see that on social media, don't. You're going to talk about that. Come clean on that today as well. So just setting people up because so many people are going to want to share this show. Yeah. Because to your point, you cause that too. Right. You know, and I don't say that in a bad way, but that is that taking responsibility. So I love that you started with.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, yeah, yeah. No, I, I want to always be accountable, first and foremost. It's a lost art anymore. And so it's just, it really bothers me. I'm, I'm, I'm not old, but I'm old school, how I was raised. And so. All right, so you're not old.

[Dan]

How old are you?

[Dylan Jamelli]

43.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. You're not old. I'm 60. I guess I'm old. I don't know. You know what, though? I was on the, I was on A call. She's my prayer warrior. In our, in our business, in our life. This woman's been a part of our life for many years. We call her our black grandma because she is. But she's our prayer warrior. We call her cpo, Our. Our chief prayer officer.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I love that.

[Dan]

And. And she's 95, bro. Still no glasses.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Really?

[Dan]

And still traveling around praying for people. Anyways, she said to me, she was like Dr. Mambo, you're 60 years old, you're in the prime of your life. Now to her, that is true, because she's thinking back 60 years, you know, but most people, 60 years if the average age is 74. Crap. Prime of your life, you years left, you're almost. No, that's why you need to pay attention to this show.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

Okay. Anyways, go. Sorry, I just had no.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah and everything. My whole premise on how I operate is God first. And that's when my life really changed, when I went that route. But there's a trajectory there. So I was actually, you know, I'm a four sport athlete in high school and my whole life was sports.

[Dan]

What board?

[Dylan Jamelli]

What's that?

[Dan]

First board.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Four sport athlete.

[Dan]

Four sport athlete. Yeah. All blended together.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, Four sport. So I played basketball, football, tennis, and baseball in high school. All through. Now as you get to the end, you have to kind of condense that it's too much.

[Dan]

Yeah, I was gonna say that.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So I went basketball, I played college basketball. And that's kind of where this started. So I got hurt twice. Two different schools, two different scholarships gone. And my mom wanted me to do modeling and acting. Now for me, it was a little too feminine. I didn't want to do it, but I started to look into it and I said, oh, women, money, like the way that they're dressing. Because I did love fashion. And so I went ahead and did this audition and they picked me like they pick all kinds of people. And they take your money and train you for six months and then take you to this big competition, it's called imta. And then they, you know, they flood you with. Oh, all of these famous people came through here. Well, at the time I was partying heavy and I was more concerned about that. So I really kind of blew off a lot of the training. Didn't take it serious, paid all this money. Once again, my parents charged everything to pay for it. And I got out there and there's 20, 30, 000 people in this place, in this big auditorium. I'm going, what the hell am I Doing here, man, I decided I'm gonna go all out, take this serious. Well, I ended up getting fourth place out of like 15, 20,000 people in my whole, it was called fourth runner up.

[Dan]

What do you think was it that caused you to take fourth place? Because there was all these personalities and good looking people. I'm sure. What, what, what was it? What made you stand out in your mind now?

[Dylan Jamelli]

In my mind back then, it's because I just thought it was so great and so, so good looking now. I think it was. I think I was a little like charismatic and kind of things that have carried me with my show and I. To decipher, you know, when you got a lot of people that are good looking, how do you decipher and distinguish? I think a lot of it's your character and how you present yourself. And you know, I, the reason I didn't get higher, I was told is because I was too old, because I was 24 and they were looking for people younger. I got a contract to go to Milan, which is like going from high school, the NBA. Well, I get out there and you're like around 250 of the best male models in the world. And I think I'm hot going out there and you know, and just thought I was so great. And you quickly realize when you're out there that A, you're not and B, you know, this lifestyle is not what you think. So here's my schedule. Attempt to get up early because you've been partying the whole night before. But do your best. Get ready. Get on the subway or the bus to get to your agency, get your call sheet. Get around to maybe three or four auditions throughout an entire day. Go back home, go to the gym and then go party. And then the weekends, it's just minus the getting up and going to the agency, you know, so you gotta sleep all day so you can party again. You don't pay for drinks when you're a model there. They know the models. You don't pay, they want you in there.

[Dan]

I tell you what, the, the addiction is all over that, right? I just recently interviewed Elle McPherson. These people my age, she was like, oh, McPherson. And I tell my kids, oh, McPherson, who? Anyway, but she was an amazing interview. Her book is fabulous, by the way. You have to read it. But part of what we talked about is her addiction got into alcohol, you know, and it was the scene that you just described. Yeah. And she was in New York and I mean, it was heyday fun. She talked about the Palladium I was like, these were clubs that I, I knew back in the day. So that was a fun conversation. But anyways, yeah, to your point, that lifestyle leads to nothing but bad.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And you know what, man? Like you do get addicted sometimes to the alcohol and the drugs, but you get addicted to the, the life.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You get addicted to the attention who you feel like everybody around you is making you to be. Right. I was more addicted to that than the drugs or the alcohol or that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

There's, you know, I never had a drug problem. I had a money problem and an addiction to like what people thought about me was my real problem.

[Dan]

Okay, so that, I mean, it sounds like we almost want to go into this now because that led you most likely. I don't want to put words in your mouth. You're eating disorder, body morphism because of the pressure. I mean, is that how you ended up there?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Now, now it started way young and that, that's why I got into studying nutrition. So when I was really young, I wasn't like I say obese. Like people say we lost a bunch of weight, I overweight.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, I was always around like the most popular kids. But you, you know, in the back of your head, if somebody wants ammo on you or whatever, they immediately they're going to be like, oh, you're fat. You know, and it was like, I'm friends with all of the like good looking or popular girls but could never date any of them because I, you know, and it got to me to the point where I'm playing all these sports, I'm overweight. So God bless my mom, I'm an only child, but she'd give me anything I wanted. Italian mom. So I ate crap all the time.

[Dan]

Family. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, and so it got to the point where from seventh to eighth grade I played tackle football and hit this growth spurt like 58 to almost 6 1. So I lost like 25, 30 pounds. And then I went back to school the next year and it was like the whole world opened up for me. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So beyond it making me better at sports, it got me way more attention like with girls and everything I wanted, you know, and anyway I got. Eventually people were saying, oh, he's doing this, he's doing drugs, he's has, he's anorexic. I don't even know what half this crap means.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, it got back to my mom and dad. So then they start quizzing me and I'm sitting there going, I don't know what the hell what just happened here? I don't even know what anorexia is. I don't know what some of these drugs are you're talking about. And it got to my head because of that. Then I started to get terrified. Well, what happens if I gain the weight back? Well, here's what I can do to keep it off. That's when I got the eating disorder. Because then I started looking at myself in the mirror and I'd gain a pound. I didn't even look at that stuff. I didn't care. All of this noise led me to develop this fear. I don't ever want to feel that again.

[Dan]

I get that.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, don't want to go back to this again.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's when the, the bulimia started. Like, well, I'm going to just throw this up if, if, if it, if I feel like it's bad.

[Dan]

You know what all that is is identity issues. Meaning that you had a false identity. We all have false identities because of things that people say about us.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

A lot of people who care. Some of these brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers. Right. And let coaches, etc, or the random people. You know, if you start to get called fat, that identity takes you on and then it affects you.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It does.

[Dan]

And the fear of going back there is scary. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. You just don't want to feel it again because it's so painful.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And like, so that's when I started to read food nutrition labels though at the same time. Now granted.

[Dan]

And how old were we at that point?

[Dylan Jamelli]

11.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But you know, the, the reading and interpretation of the labels was totally misguided because it was low fat craze time.

[Dan]

I was just gonna say that. I was doing the math in my head. Yeah. It was. Low fat diets were all the rage. Right. It's.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like labels. Low fat, low fat. You still see that? Honestly. But you know, it was the gluten free of the day, dude.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So that this. I feel like I'm such a mess because that developed the fear of fat that I dealt with until a year and a half ago that I finally beat that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It took me 30 years.

[Dan]

I bet you so many viewers, especially my age is the 60s. We're right there. Right. Still fear fat because of that day.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

Like fat makes you fat. Right. I, I can't tell you how many things I've done that fat doesn't make you fat. It's the inability to burn it. It's not as simple as you anyway. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I'm gonna blow your mind in a Little bit. What Tell you. But so we, we. I was at that level, at that stage where my parents and especially my dad, because my dad was a hardcore sports guy and he was just, he wasn't sitting.

[Dan]

That's the four sports. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It was not sitting well with him that I was doing this and they didn't know how to handle it. He basically said, so hold up, back up.

[Dan]

So bulimia. Yeah. Okay. How did usually people hide that? Very wet.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Trying.

[Dan]

Okay. But your father knew.

[Dylan Jamelli]

They both my mom and dad.

[Dan]

Okay. All right. And how did they know, do you think?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I. I don't. I didn't hide it well. Probably, you know, there were not cleaning it up. Well, disappearing after every time I ate. Okay.

[Dan]

You know, so they were privy enough to.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. And other parents had mentioned it when I was at their house. And so he said, listen, you're either going to weigh 150 pounds and I had dropped to like 130 something at 6. One is very, very small.

[Dan]

That's.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, you're either going to weigh 150 pounds by the time basketball starts or you're not playing. And he was dead serious. And I was like, okay, there's nothing more important to me than playing basketball. So that helped me get past it at that point. And it's, you know, at that point in time it was like I really had kind of overcome it, but I was still looking at myself like, you know, disparagingly for a little bit. But I went a good four or five years without it really overtaking me. And then when I got into the modeling and stuff, here came here, it came back again, but it was a non stop thing. Then from there on out, and it wasn't even really the bulimia. It was more like, I'm not going to eat as much. It transitioned. That's still been a part of it. And that's. Once I started to get in trouble and knew I was going to prison, that's when it kind of was like, I don't care.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I'm just going to go back to it.

[Dan]

That'll bait people in right there. Prison. What. What does he mean? But I don't. Let's not leave the conversation yet because what do you think the main causative factors of bulimia? How does somebody. I mean, your story is your story, but what do you think it is for most people? Is there. Is there a common thread is what I'm asking.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, for what I would say the difference between the anorexia and the bulimia is you're starving yourself as opposed to eating a lot and making yourself throw up. I think that people that a are addicted to food, whether it be chocolates, candies, ice cream, whatever. It's an easy way to get it out. You know, you can do it and get rid of it. Or the people that can't, they just can't starve themselves. They just can't do that route because it's too difficult. Well, I'll just, I'll throw up some of it. I know.

[Dan]

So that's, you're saying that's the difference between probably the same route, but that little nuance determines the bulimic versus the anorexia?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I think so, yeah.

[Dan]

I think so, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I mean it's, I can't, I don't want to speak for others, but I can speak from people, people that I've, I've talked to.

[Dan]

Yeah. And you're more aware of this than I am, so, you know, you're more the expert here, but I would think that that would be the case. Yeah. So when we talk about the root of these, what do you think some of the common roots are to developing that?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, yeah, I think that you. Well, one is misguided information about the food you're eating, I. E. The low fat diet. I mean, that alone put the fear into me. Anytime I had anything that I saw was more than 3 or 4 grams of fat, I was like, man, I just ate that. I got to get that out.

[Dan]

And people do the same thing with calories. Ye, like, oh my gosh. I, I'm, you know, calorie, calorie, calorie, you know, that's why I, I believe that calorie counting, fat counting, all that can lead to an addiction that be. Can be end up in a bulimia

[Dylan Jamelli]

or anorexia if you become too obsessive with the numbers. See, for me, the numbers now are, man, I'm not hitting these. I need to hit them so I can be. Keep my weight and be healthy.

[Dan]

Is there a certain personality predisposed to that? Type A? Da, da, da.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, I think type A very, very much. It's predisposed to a lot of things. Really?

[Dan]

Do you think it's, there's any wounds early on in childhood that predispose people?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I think so.

[Dan]

You know, meaning they end up with a body morphism or, you know, and then that brings that attention.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, happened to me.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, I think it could happen to a lot of people. I. One of the things that I've been learning because I've been studying the neuro side because I was just a fitness and then a cardiology guy and a cellular guy, but I wasn't taking the account of the neuro side and the importance of that. Like, I'm. I'm in school for neuroscience now, and because I'm connecting the mind and the body together, and I'm realizing that there's so many aspects of our health that really are here, and they're not even here.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's why I'm digging.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

Because I think there's a lot of entry points. Meaning. Yeah. Causes. Right. And, you know, I mean, I wonder if, you know, any childhood trauma can, you know, end up there because of control.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

You know, I think of, like, the bizarreness of something like S M or, you know, this. Like. Like, how would someone get. They. They say, I know nothing about this. They say it's a control thing, and they feel like they got abused and then they can control this. Right. So I wonder if there's something, any type of trauma that can happen as a child, and then, hey, I can control this aspect of my life because I feel like they're out of control. Yeah. You know.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, a lot of that came to me and I was told, you, you. You need to be in control. You need to be in control. And then I was made to feel that way. But for me, personal, never. That was not it. I mean, I'll admit all day what I was doing and what. It wasn't a control thing. It was a fear. It was a damn fear. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I. I think it could be both. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, it can. I think that people will. They. You know how it is if. If it's for one person, they try to antiquate that to every single person. Mine. I was convinced it was a control thing till I finally came to the realization, you're just scared. You're just scared.

[Dan]

And I get that because I. I have a great fear of going back to my illness. Right. To the point where I have an abnormal fear of water mold. You know, I mean, toxins in general.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

You know, it drives me to be better. It keeps me very on board. But there was a time where it can be too much. Yes.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And that fear can control you. That's where you lose control. So I can see where you might say you need to gain control back because you've lost it. But I know for me, personally, I'm not a control guy. I mean, I like to be, and I like to do my own Work and everything and be the one that's accountable. But I'm not a. Like, yeah, I gotta be in control.

[Dan]

And then that links to a false identity.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes. Right.

[Dan]

You know, meaning, you know, how you look now depends on whether you are worth something. Right? It's like identity, our true identity, meaning who God created us to be. There's no, you know, you have worth because you know where you're. You know who you are, right? Who God created you to be. When you believe or get put on false identities, you don't know your worth. You think your worth is in this or the sport or. And so that leads to a lot of these fears.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You just made me realize something at this moment right now that I didn't put together till we started talking. And this is why. This is why God works this way. So you come to the realization, you know what? My hunger that got me in so much trouble for wanting to be the hot shot at everything I did, to spend all this money and blow all this money and do everything, was because of that. Because I. I felt like I didn't have it. And that's why I became that person that got in trouble and went to prison. I never put that together till right now.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's awesome, man. But, you know, I. I can tell you that every. I have a thing, right? It's like when you look at someone's level of success, not just financially and 12 pillars of success and everything, Health, blah, blah, blah, and happiness. It is proportional to how they're literally walk. How close they're walking to their true identity. And I always say that, man, every year I get closer, right? Because I'm intentional about that. Meaning every year I get closer to walking, to really functioning in who God created me to be. But that is a level of. I don't know that anyone's 100 there, right? You know, we're all still. I had dyslexia as a kid, and I was labeled stupid, probably mostly from myself. Because when you compare yourself to other kids and you can't read and you're in seventh grade. Yeah, you're stupid, right? You know, in my mind, I. At that age, I didn't know that I had other superpowers because of the dyslexia that I could read. You know, when I did learn to read, I could remember everything.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I.

[Dan]

It's like I thought everyone could do that, right? But anyways. But it led to. I always say every bad behavior I had later came out of my insecurity from that false identity. The fear of being. Looking stupid. Right. The fear, the fear of thinking I was stupid, the fear of going back, you know, that was. Even if I read something aloud today, I'll get a pit in my stomach. And it's because it anchors back to that fear. Anyways. Yeah. So we have to look at those false identities and then we. It really explains all the bad choices in our life. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And that was probably why I've always been so worried about, well, I gotta show this, I gotta have this, I gotta, I gotta do this so that it gets the attention.

[Dan]

That's why you became in the modeling?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes, that's it.

[Dan]

I mean, honestly, it's why you became in the fitness industry. That's why, I mean, everything, you know, it pained a purpose, man. It's like it gave you purpose. It's. It wasn't in a bad thing. It's like it ultimately leads you to purpose, especially when you pull God into the mess.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, I had to. And this is why I talk about the prison. I don't encourage people to go to prison to learn.

[Dan]

How did you get. Yeah, but it can have that positive effect. Yeah. How did you end up there? Tell us.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So when I was modeling, like I said, I realized, okay, this is not the life unless you have. Unless you're like in the top 1 2%, you're not going to make the proper money to live the lifestyle. So I quickly realized that was not me. And I was spending three and four times what I was making, charging stuff and, you know, doing whatever I could to get the money. Well, then I was like, okay, we gotta figure something out here. I came back and I started acting and I was getting, man, I was getting Days of our Lives auditions, daytime soap opera auditions. And I was like, okay, we gotta, we gotta roll here. So, you know, I was doing cocaine and stuff on the side. Nothing crazy, just at night. But then I was seeing. I'm very observant. Right. And I've hustled my whole life. And I said, okay, I can make a ton of money real fast and not only can I pay off everything I put myself in debt in, but I'm going to be able to roll. And I rolled for several years and I mean, I was making millions of dollars a year and it just was gone. I was, you know, I was hot shot into everything. Buying everybody's drinks, buying cars and still living in an apartment.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, with nothing. Just wasting it all. Anyway. There's no longevity in that career. Clearly. I ended up getting caught. I got a 15 year prison sentence when I was 27.

[Dan]

For the cocaine.

[Dylan Jamelli]

For the cocaine, yes. Now by the time were you selling it?

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say 15 years for you, so.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Okay. No, 15 years is a large.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That stories. That was documentary story stuff because that is like out of a movie. The depths of what I got into. I don't want to get into all that today, but it's scary.

[Dan]

But the cocaine was almost necessary for the life you were living.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Meaning there's no way you'd have energy to do this, to do that, still party, get up the next day, you know, I mean, it's like that's why people get addicted to it. Well, it allows them the life that they're living.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I clearly lost some of the eating disorder at that point because I never gained a pound because I didn't eat for two and three days at a time so I could get away with eating whatever I wanted one day to catch up. Never, never even touch me. Not a healthy way to lose weight. Yeah, but. So my parents drained every credit card they had to pay for the best attorney. And, you know, you don't understand at the time financially what you're doing, and I do now because I'm my master's degree in finance. So.

[Dan]

That's funny. That's just kind of funny, right? Yeah, yeah. Disaster financially. Master's degree.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, exactly. It's just it, it all correlates. So I got a sweetheart deal, which they give you a suspended sentence because I had no prior record. So what it means is I was convicted of a 15 year sentence, suspended. And they can give you that sentence back if you violate your probation. Two years probation. I violated the probation in the first month.

[Dan]

God.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I left the state without permission. They. They said, okay, we're going to give you another break. There's two weeks in jail. So 15 days I was in jail. You'd think that would have scared me and woke me up. Well, I did very well for about a year. I left literally one day to go to freaking Dairy Queen. Came back home, was this close to home. I saw a cop tailing me the whole way home. Pulled me over right at front of my house. I wasn't doing anything.

[Dan]

He said, but you weren't supposed to leave.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, no, I could leave, but the problem was I had a little switchblade knife that I carried in my. That I bought it like a swap meet. It wouldn't harm a fly. It was so dull.

[Dan]

So why was he following you?

[Dylan Jamelli]

He ran my Plates and saw, you know, what I had, a very tinted out, very, very, very, you know, expensive car that I kept. Didn't look good in Des Moines, Iowa. And. And so he ran my plates, probably saw my wreck.

[Dan]

Cause that too.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Cause that too.

[Dan]

We're driving that car.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Literally went to go get a small ice cream cone because I was smoking pot and I was hungry and left. Okay. Followed me home, said, I'm going to search your car. I said, for what? And I said, no. And he said, I'm searching your car anyway, you know, and I can't record that at the time or whatever. And if you even get interaction with the police officer, you're in trouble. Well, then that knife was in there. It was a.25 switchblade, but I can't carry that. That. So took me to jail.

[Dan]

But how could they prove. I mean, anyone could have left in your car. They'd. I think they'd have to find it on your person.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, it was. It's just in your possession, in your car. Doesn't matter. Took me to jail, then they kept me there, wouldn't let me out until I went to court, which was like 30 some days. And they worked out a deal. I was supposed to get time served. Let me go. Well, the judge said no, didn't take the thing. He said, you don't get it. You're gonna stay in here.

[Dan]

He was right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, I didn't get it. You're staying in here three more months and you're gonna get two more years probation. And at that point I was like, I don't care anymore. So when I got out, I got my ass on a plane, went to California, went up north, and I met with some people up there that ran weed farms. And I started to, like, go back to what I was doing before.

[Dan]

My gosh. This is after three months in jail. Yeah, yeah. And you just came back out and

[Dylan Jamelli]

six months later, I got.

[Dan]

By the way, this is. I'm like sitting here going. But that's the norm. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Six months later, I got in trouble with something petty again. Pulled over interaction with the cop. That's it. They said, okay, you're done. You don't get it. And I mind you, I'm chained up. Chains here and here, chains on my legs. Walking in this courtroom, my mom and dad seeing me that way, walking down a tunnel to get there. And been given a 15 year prison sentence, 28 years old. Creatine, one of the most proven and studied compounds in existence, yet still one of the most confusing, most People think creatine is only for muscle, but creatine is for energy, not caffeine type energy, actual cellular energy, the kind that your body uses for strength, focus and recovery. If your workouts feel flat, if your brain feels slower than it used to, and if your recovery is not where it should be, there's a high probability your energy system isn't supported. And creatine will help fix that. It essentially gives your body a reserve so when your demand spikes, you don't crash. But here's where most people mess this up. They grab the cheapest creatine they can find and assume it's all the same. But it's not. If it doesn't dissolve, well, if it's not supported by the right cofactors, and if your body can't actually use it efficiently, you're wasting your time and money. And that's why I switched to Qualia Creatine. Plus, it's designed around how your body actually produces and uses energy, not just dumping in creatine and hoping for the best, cleaner mix, better utilization, noticeable difference. If you're going to take creatine, take one that actually works with your body. Go to qualialife.com backslash Dylan for 50 off and use my code Dylan for an additional 15 off. That's qualiolife.com backslash Dylan and use my code Dylan. Thank you to Qualia for sponsoring this episode. At that point it was like, what, what next? I mean, I thought my life was over now. In Iowa, what time is.

[Dan]

Did you have any thought at that point? It's me, I have to change.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, no, I'll tell you when it hit me, I'll explain that to you. So in Iowa, the laws are different. So your 15 years gets cut in half immediately because you get a day and a half for every day you're in there. So it was seven and a half. Now I got, I thought I was cursed with a mandatory minimum, meaning you have to serve this before you can see the parole board. That saved me. That got me out really early.

[Dan]

So what was that number that you had?

[Dylan Jamelli]

So it was supposed to be a third of your sentence, but that got cut in half. Though after 18 months I was able to see the parole board and I'll explain how that saved me. So when I was in there, I got you go from jail, which is horrible because you never get to go outside to this holding facility. Well, guess what they tell you you're in 20 hours a day and you get one hour out, which was a complete lie. You got 30 minutes out. So I was in a cell with one other guy with nothing but a toilet and like, I don't Even know, maybe 50 square feet on a mat this thick. And all you could do was lay on your back and stare at the ceiling all day and do nothing. The only books in there to read were from 1880 to 1905. So I read a book on Christopher Columbus that looked like my great great grandmother wrote it.

[Dan]

There's five pages missing for toilet paper.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, well, if here you could only shower three days a week and there was five minutes and they were yelling at you to get out and get back in your bunk. You ate at 6:30 in the morning, 10:30 and 3:00 clock, and that was it. And I'm. You don't even want to know what I was given to eat.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So from there I went to the second facility and that was a little more open. You got to go outside once, once a day for 30 minutes and walk in this little circle with all these chains around you.

[Dan]

And oddly that was probably like, wow.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, it's great. Yeah, great. Then I went to the regular prison. The first day I get in there and mind you, I haven't talked to my mom for three weeks because they won't let you talk. The first thing I see when I go outside is a guy with a big swastika tattooed on his chest and I'm going, oh, what the hell? Like, what is going on here? Thankfully, I went out to the basketball court. All I had were steel toe boots, pair of jeans and a pair of shirt. That's all you get when you first get in there. And I walked out on the basketball court and played in that and I ripped it up and that got me respect like this. So thankfully that happened. Well within two weeks I got sent to a minimum facility. And then the time really started. And 18 months later, because the counselor saw me every morning at 4 in the morning I was outside and they gave you a little area to go work out. 20 degrees below, rain, thunder, lightning. I was outside. Never missed one day in 18 months. The counselor went to bat for me. My mom happened to know somebody that worked with the parole board. They ended up getting me out after my, my 18 month. I had five years parole. My parents had moved to Maui. Fourth of July, 2011, I got out, went to Maui, and that's when I started my life over. And when I was in there, I had this call with my mom and I was telling her, that's so bad. It's this this. And I did that all the time. And she goes, dylan, you do this every day. And she said, do you ever think about the people that are worried about you, that invested all this time and all this effort and all this belief in you? Did you ever think about how that's affecting them? And I. I get chills when I talk about this. I sat there and I started to cry, and I had to be careful because there's, you know, people walking around. I didn't want them to see me crying, and I didn't know what to say. And she said, were me and your dad really that bad of parents? And I broke. I broke. Then it hit me right then at that moment. I remember where I was sitting. I remember the month. I remember the year. I'll never forget it. And that. That moment, that time is when I said, okay, something's got to give. Something's got to give. I was reading my Bible every day and I was praying every day, but still not where I needed to be. I was trying.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But I realized now, you know, the effort was there, and I think that was the most important thing.

[Dan]

I was raised God's word, man.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You start reading it, it's going to affect anyone.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Absolutely. I was raised Catholic. Went through everything.

[Dan]

I was raised Catholic and ended up an agnostic. Really? Yeah. That's true. Yeah. Because it was. I thought it was do's and don'ts, and I'm not going to do that. And I got into an argument with someone about Christianity, religion, all of it. And he finally said, you never even read it. So you really are making. You don't even know what you're talking about. And so I decided to read. Start reading it. And I asked someone where to start. They said, the Book of John and go through. And I didn't even get. I was probably, you know, half hour into this, and I was like, no one ever told me this. It has nothing to do about being good enough. It has everything to do with just that we can't.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's the blood of Christ. I was floored. That led to my salvation anyway.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, we're gonna get into that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's a great conversation.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

When I got out, I went on this approach of, okay, what am I gonna do now? How am I gonna fit? Because in. In there, I. I didn't have a set plan. I just knew you're gonna have to depend on yourself now. You have two felonies. No one's gonna give you the time of day. So it's really up to you. Are you going to come back here like everybody else? Are you going to get some crap job that you weren't meant to do and not serve your purpose? Or are you going to just figure this out? So eventually I got a job, which was very difficult, but you have to. And at night, every night, I always started to study, like exercise science, physiology, the body, everything to do with health and fitness. I was getting these emails about testosterone boosters and all this stuff, and I got so fascinated because I studied steroids a little bit because of baseball, because I was so fascinated. So in my 20s, Pete Rose. Yes. Well, I started to look into it, but never really, you know, I was too busy doing what I was doing. Well, now I got into it and I got into these bodybuilding forums and I was learning.

[Dan]

That's where I discovered you started taking steroids.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Not that. Not yet. Yeah, I was learning about.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And so I was in these forums and I got.

[Dan]

See, again, pointing to the body morphism. Yes, right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It never ends.

[Dan]

Yeah, it never ends. Never. Next thing, next thing, this.

[Dylan Jamelli]

These guys found me that ran a big supplement company and they were seeing, like, how much I was posting, helping people doing all this at night. They said, look, do you have any kind of personality or whatever on camera? That's what I did when I was partying and everything. At night when I. When I'd get home late and I was using drugs, I would film this stuff for YouTube that was like new because I was obsessed with the sports debate show. So I was making my own stuff and putting it up there. Nobody saw it really. I said, I got some stuff and I sent it to them. They were like, okay, you got the personality. Here's what we're gonna do. We want you to get online, start talking about steroids, and we're going to introduce you to this underground stuff. It was called peptides and SARMs. And I said, hey, man, wait, what year was this? 2012.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's way, way, yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I said, I don't know anything about peptides and SARMs, and I'm still in the beginning phases of my real steroid knowledge. I said, I'm kind of BSing my way through a lot of the stuff you see. We don't care. We're gonna make you huge. We're gonna make you huge. And I said, okay, let me make sure this is legal for me to talk about. I just got out of trouble so I can. You can smart.

[Dan]

Yeah, one step smarter.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right. You can talk about it. I'm not selling it. You can talk about it. There were very, very, very, very few people on YouTube talking about it.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, Back then. Oh no.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I had 2 million subscribers in two years on YouTube.

[Dan]

Yeah, I believe it. Yeah. Talking about it, people. Because people are always looking for an edge. Oh yeah. If this is healthier than steroids, easier to get, people are going to flow to it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Here's what happens. A very, very like the worst, most toxic environment is the bodybuilding and supplement like industry.

[Dan]

Dude, it's so toxic, it, it's all very wounded people. It's bad, you know, it really is. And again, body morphism, like at its

[Dylan Jamelli]

max, it's so bad. Well, then I became known as the SARMS guy because what I found was

[Dan]

we better stop and explain what SARMs are.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would say most people understand peptides. Yeah, we'll still give that a definition. But, but explain what a SARM is because most people don't know that. Yes. So I mean I. There's a few sarms that I think are actually healthy. There's some that are really bad because they hit your hormones hard. There's good and bad. But what is a sarm?

[Dylan Jamelli]

So Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator is what it stands for in simple terms in the bodybuilding world. It's an alternative to steroids.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Because it's steroid like benefits without the side effects. So here's where the, here's where the good and the bad comes in. The good. Well, I, I don't even want to say the good. The good for me at the time I finally tried pro hormones first, which is basically a designer steroid. All that was was a legal way to buy steroids and a few modifications that were actually worse for you than steroids. And then they banned pro hormones. Like the government always bans everything. Right. So the sarms come into play. I use them and I'm like, whoa. Okay, I just got all of these results.

[Dan]

You're probably using LDG.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I was using M. There were only three at the time you could get.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

MK2866, which is known as Austrian.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

S4 Anderin and MK677 were the only three at the time.

[Dan]

MK677 is the healthier one.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, it's not even a song. Yeah, it's all the SARMs. Basically. It's the next closest thing to HGH you could on. It's a secret agog and it's really a peptide kind of thing. More than a sarn.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. The Other MK is it works, it's more works.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It's a straight song. The thing was, is the 677 was like 4, 350, 400 bucks a bottle. Nobody used it and nobody knew how to use it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So really it was those two. So I ran those and I was like, okay. I was so shredded.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Like diced. And I remember laying there and my wife, who was. Was my girlfriend at the time, took this picture of me laying on the bed and I looked at the picture in my stomach. I had never seen anything like that. And so I was like, I'm on to something. So I became known as the SARMS guy because I started talking and discussing and learning and everything that you could read, I read. Well, there's a twofold problem there. One, everybody thought I was trying to sell them all the time. So I was getting hate that way too. The steroid guys hated it because I was going against the grain on everything. And who know how much money I was costing them for whatever illegal stuff they were selling. And I was cutting into supplement companies for people going towards the SARMS route. So that got me a ton of hate. Anyway, they banned the pro hormones. So then what happened? Well, two things. This is where sarms got the bad name. One, people had millions of dollars of pro hormone powders they couldn't sell anymore. So what did they do? They had to sell those powders. Well, there was two things that happened. One, companies started to make SARMs and sell them as supplements, which you could not do. Two, they were selling what you they said were SARMs and filling them with their pro hormone powders. And so when people were getting hurt really badly and all of these terrible blood panels started coming out, it made me look dumb because I'm sitting here going, well, they're not as liver toxic, they're not this, they're not that. They were filling them with pro hormone powders. So you were taking steroids thinking you were taking SARMs. So that was the two pronged approach.

[Dan]

I mean, again, SARMs, there's some bad ones, but it is a definitely a different category than the pro hormones. Yes.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, and now. So they evolved. Now the SARMs, the new ones, they're basically steroids. They're so strong.

[Dan]

Yeah, like I said that.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Ldg, lgd.

[Dan]

Yeah. My son got on it and I was like, oh no. I'm like, I'm looking at like, I'm like, dad, it's not a steroids on that. I start. That's what brought me into SARMs. I started reading about it and I'm like, oh no. Yeah, yeah, this is getting bad. And of course he came off at like a steroid, your body, you know. Oh yeah, thump. And like you lose everything.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He learned very quickly. It was like, okay, that wasn't worth it because I lost everything. You know, he was teen, late teens.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, geez.

[Dan]

Yeah, late teens. Yeah. 20.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, because then. So I'll explain real quickly what happens that causes testosterone suppression and the LGD. I don't know if he ran 3030 or 33 or 3 or 4033, but 3303 especially is like, like just as if got stronger than a lot of harsh steroids.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think it was the other, the other one.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Okay, so what happens for people watching, if you don't know is your, your luteinizing hormone and your follicle stimulating hormone Crash produces here.

[Dan]

Yes. And that kind of controls the downstream let go, you know. Yeah. How does testosterone.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, when you start flooding your body like that and suppress your testosterone, your body forgets how to produce it and then you have to, to try to kick start it back to produce it. Which is why people use Clomid or Novodex.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

People think HCG does that. HCG suppressive. And a lot of people don't know that. And it increases estrogen and it's made from women's urine.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly. They bodybuilders used it between cycles.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To try to keep their testosterone levels up.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

HCG diets were huge in the 80s and 90s, you remember?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, because it allowed people to calorie cut and still not lose muscle. And then so therefore, because you can't just cut calories, you lose weight in the beginning and then you stop and then you get skinny fat, the whole thing. Well, hcg, man, it was the answer. I call Ozempic today, HCG of the, of the 80s and 90s because I said this is gonna end bad. I, I like there's no way this can end well. Oh no, no. Everyone justified lower dose. The same thing we're seeing with Ozempic. Lower dose. It ended in a terror. It ended.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Tragedy.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Know, it's one of those things that, another thing that made a lot of people angry with me was me going against the grain, talking about how bad HCG was.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But I, I am, that's why I am what I am today. Which is similar to like you and our, most of our acquaintances discuss the realities of things and, and really explaining what things actually are.

[Dan]

I think that's why, you know, you have such a following, because you're very open about what you've been through. But what you've been through allows you to be an expert in these areas. I mean, truly, you know, like. I don't know. You know, I. I know this surface area of SARMs, you know, you know, SR and GW, you know, those are the SARMs that I've used. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

They're not even SAR.

[Dan]

They're not even SARMs, exactly. Yeah, they're.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But they're more in line for what we would want because we're Talking about increasing VO2 max. Yeah. Metabolic.

[Dan]

They're actually arguably healthy. I. I mean, they don't damage anyone, you know.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, but again, your body can

[Dylan Jamelli]

become acclimated to them and they might

[Dan]

not be as they don't work anymore. Yeah. You have to kind of move on them. But they're. They don't cause any. They don't touch your hormones.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, I don't.

[Dan]

Hormonal.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No.

[Dan]

You know, and. And again, I. Yeah, it's. It's fun to. To try it, but there's. People put them in the same category, and it. Then they end up reaching for these other SARs.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

And that's where the. That's where things.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And that's where marketing comes into play, because they're sold and marketed as SARMs, when in reality they're not. But in fairness, there are some things. SR can affect your circadian rhythm. It can throw it off. It certainly can. But what. What I learned over this time period was this is so toxic. There's so much hate. No matter what you do or you teach these people, like, I'm. I'm once again something I'm not. But I found a niche and I got popular and I got big. And I was. Listen, I was convincing myself, really, this

[Dan]

is like the next addiction.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, listen to what I did. I convinced myself that I was doing something really good. Because what I was doing was I would teach people how to use steroids. Safely. Safely. They're still damaging. They're still hurting people. I told myself, well, you're helping people, you know, live still live longer when they use these and do this. When in reality I should have just been saying, don't use them at all.

[Dan]

Yeah. Ever. Right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I damaged myself in the process.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I didn't use them long, but I used them long enough to probably where I developed some of the heart condition I found on myself. And also putting myself on TRT needlessly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I'm not a bo. I'm living another life once again, that I'm not.

[Dan]

And again, the false identity. Yes. Yeah. You were still living, trying to figure out who God created you to be. See, again, that's why false identities lead to these problems, because you're trying to be something that God didn't create you to be. It's never. You're never going to be happy, fulfilled, or really functioning your true purpose.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right. And still. Still not anywhere near what I'm supposed to be. So my YouTube channel gets shut down because all of these people are attacking me and trying to get it shut down down. So I had to start from scratch again.

[Dan]

Oh, man. Two million plus followers all.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. And you know anybody that runs YouTube? Hey, you know how hard it is to get like 10,000 subscribers?

[Dan]

YouTube is harder than other channels, anything.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. And then I said, okay, I'm gonna regroup and I'm gonna restart this. It's like 2017, three years to 2020. We've started to rebuild. It got to about a hundred thousand again. And what do you think happened again? Again, I got shut down.

[Dan]

For what this time?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I wasn't talking anything Covid related. They were just doing sweeps of people that were pushing the envelope on other stuff. Yeah, yeah, Shut down again. So I. Once again. And dude, you know how much money you could make with a lot of subscribers? I was making damn near six figures a month. I was crippled at that point. I was like, man, I don't know what to do anymore because I can't keep doing this. This is too risky. I have a family and I'm not really doing my purpose here.

[Dan]

So you got married somewhere along the

[Dylan Jamelli]

road, yeah, in 2015. So when I met my wife. So when I got out of prison, I didn't date anybody or anything the whole year I was on parole. They cut me off four years early because I just didn't do anything. I worked and I went to the beach on my days off, and then I studied. That's all I did, man. And so my wife was a manager at Safeway, and I went in there every day to try to get something healthy to eat for lunch when I was at work. Well, then while I saw her staring at me all the time and. And, you know, everything. When I got off parole, I went to the florist and I said, hey, I want you to leave some flowers for that girl over there and send her this note. And that's how I met her. And from there, I mean, she Was with me brother from. I had nothing. I was living in my mom's basement. So she's been with me the whole time, dedicated. And she was the polar opposite of me. Never did anything wrong, never smoked, never drank, never did a thing.

[Dan]

You needed that balance.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I had to. That was God's gift to me because I also opened her up and gave her things in her life she never had. She was from the Philippines. The story she'll tell me about, like, having to use the bathroom outside, having nothing. But she balanced me and fixed me and corrected me as she did. And so we got married in 2015. Now I've got her kids, or my kids, basically. They call me dad. I love them, I take care of them. I got a family man. And then my dad passed away in the midst of all this, and I'm an only child.

[Dan]

Child.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So I bring my mom and start taking care of her. I got a lot of responsibility, a lot of people relying on me. And I owe my mom. I.

[Dan]

You do?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I owe my. Owe your mom?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I owe my dad. Yeah, of course, you know, to take care of her.

[Dan]

Yeah. They dump money on you matter, you know. Well, you were a bad bet back then.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I was the worst bet known to man. But they never gave up, you know. That's right. So I started to build my Instagram in 2020. Said, okay, I'm going different around here. Here. I. I'll make some YouTube videos. Let's do this route. Let's go this route. So I built my Instagram heavy. I mean, I got millions of followers now. I got invited to speak at the Mr. Olympia 50th anniversary. Or was 50th.

[Dan]

Was that 2004?

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, just. Just now. It was two years ago. No, 20th. What are we. We're in 2024.

[Dan]

Oh, okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, okay. 2024. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So that's when I got to speak there. Okay. So I go there. Initially, I'm invited to speak, which already is huge for me because it's all people with 50 letters after their name and me. Yeah, right. So that alone. I was like, oh, my.

[Dan]

But you were invited into the heart of dysmorphia.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah. Talk about man. Heart of insecurity.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But they want me to go there to speak about all the stuff I'm talking about now. Nutrition, hormones, everything. And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

[Dan]

Arms.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, no, I. I'm trying to get away from that. But peptides. And I was on anti aging panels and all these, these reputable doctors and you Know, really big names. And then they said, well, we got another opportunity for you. Do you know who Monica Brand is? She's a former Miss Olympia. I said, not really, but they wanted to enter me. So then I got invited to sit there and be her co host on her podcast at a booth. Well, one, I tore the house down when I spoke. And the doc, like, the interactions and I put the clips up and man, it was. Was just. It was insanely beautiful. Well, then on her podcast, she was being sponsored by a company called Stem Regen. And they came and watched me.

[Dan]

There's a Stem Regen? Yeah, for the stem cells.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So Christian, the owner. Christian.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna have him on.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. So he was there. Ryan Riley was there. His, like, CEO. They were watching me speak and. And check me out. And I got really close with them. Them? Well, I realized they're in this thing called biohacking. What the hell is this? When I got home, I was all pumped. I got all these contacts.

[Dan]

I got.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Dude, I got stacks of cards and contacts to start working on. Dude, I got coveted, right When I got home, it was probably from the event or the plane.

[Dan]

I got.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I went to the gym and I told my wife, I said, I'm. Something's off. I went and got a COVID test. Boom. Next day, I couldn't even move. And I'm sitting there going, okay, God, normally I pout. And I don't understand what's going on here, because this is right about the time I'm shifting to really being God first too. And I'm saying, okay, I'm gonna trust you for once in my life, because I never do. I think I'm so faithful, but I know faith and trust are two different things.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You can believe all day long. Yep. But when it. When the. When the. Hits the fan, do you trust?

[Dan]

Yeah. Trust is the real relationship. Yes. Trust is faith. Faith.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So for the first time, I'm going to trust you. And I was laying in bed and I said, you know what? I got nothing else to do. I'm going to start researching STEM regen and biohacking. And within, like 20 minutes, I realized this is what I've been meant to do my whole life. Everything I stand for, everything I believe in, everything that I research, that I love, it's right.

[Dan]

So you went through. Yeah. And now you're. It puts you into the healthy version of optimization. Yes. Hormone optimization, optimization, you know, physical optimization, aging optimization, you know, and that's how you ended up in this world.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That is it, you did a great

[Dan]

job of bringing us through that. But what I want to hear a little more about is your salvation. Because, you know, coming to Christ, you know, is that's a whole another thing. I'm surprised it didn't happen in jail. Although I think you said it started. It's, that's where it started, right? Because you did say that's where you started reading the Word. But would you have called, did you, you know, would you have called yourself a believer at that moment? I mean, meaning, did you have a transformation in jail, after jail? When did all that happen?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I've been a believer my whole life, but have I been a God first individual where that was my main priority, where my life was turned over to him and given to him? And trust?

[Dan]

Yeah. It's interesting because I was, I wasn't a believer. I was called myself an agnostic, right? And I always say, though, looking back on my life, gosh, even when I hated him, he loved me. It's like, it's true. It's like, and I, I use the word hate because there's a biblical reason I would say that. But anyway, the bottom line is, is that you, on the other hand, would have said you had belief, but you were living again, true salvation Christianity isn't about do's and don'ts. However, when I became a Christian, and again, I would never become a Christian, even though my older sister would talk to me about that and I would tell her, I'm not going to stop the bow, so therefore I'm not a hypocrite, I'm not going to do it. Because in my mind it was about do's and don'ts. Right? That's why when I read it and I said no one told me this, my sister should have said, first of all, no, no, no, it's about the truth, right? You know, he died for our sins. But when I became a Christian, all of a sudden the things that I said, I would never give up, I didn't make one attempt. I'm saying, okay, now I'm a Christian, I have to try to be different. It didn't happen like that for me. Yeah, he changed me. Yes. I'm telling you, I swear, he changed my heart. The very. My girlfriend and I, she's my wife now. She, we were living together at the time, okay? And I, we were having sex. I would have said sex was an addiction in my life, okay? And we were having sex and living together and all of a sudden I'm like, I can't do this. Anymore. I remember we, she sat there, she cried because we knew it was a separation. She was already a believer like you. But you know, I was kind of, of going in this direction now going like, what are we doing? God changed my heart and changed my desires. Right. And so in a couple areas that I realized at that moment, it's not about trying to be good enough. He changes our hearts. Yes. Anyway, so I say all that to say this. So you were saying you're a believer but yet your life wasn't changing.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No.

[Dan]

So I would be like, okay, you had a knowledge but maybe you weren't here truly converted.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Here's how bad it was. I would go, I, I was, I usually go to mass on Saturdays because I have a hard time getting up on Sundays. So I would go at 4:30 mass and I would always go up there and say my prayers after mass for a long time.

[Dan]

This is post jail.

[Dylan Jamelli]

This is before, before jail. And I would sit there and do all like a long, in detailed prayer. But I didn't do it throughout the week like that. I would, I would do it there and I would leave mass and I would go directly to the grocery store, get my bottle of vodka, go home, get my cocaine out to prep for the night and start ironing clothes and getting ready. Like that's how bad it was that I thought I was going there apologizing for sins and then literally leaving within 30 minutes.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And going home and doing all that. And my mom was just.

[Dan]

As a Catholic, you know, you could justify that a bit in the sense that, well, you know, I'm going to do this or that to cover the sins.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You, you, you can, but potentially make yourself believe that. But you're just lying to yourself.

[Dan]

I know, of course.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I mean, it's one of the

[Dylan Jamelli]

things I, it's one of the misinterpretations and understandings that so many people have when it comes to anything religion.

[Dan]

Yeah, I agree.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I mean, so I was on vacation in Florida and I was sitting out, it was about 1:30 in the morning because I always have to have night time alone. My wife always goes to bed without me because I normally read or study at night, night. And I was sitting out on this like patio I had and I was sitting there and I don't know what happened right then and there something hit me different and I was kind of just gazing. I was kind of, I was listening because I like Stone Temple Pilots and I was listening to them outside and I stopped and I was looking at the sky. And some. And I. And I always pray a lot when I'm in the ocean. Like when I go on vacation, I kind of tend to say more prayers and something hit me right then and there and I. I can't even explain to you what it was. And I was looking and something lit up a little bit brighter in the sky than it normal. And maybe I, you know, who knows when you say that, But I, I said, what is, what is it? What is it? What am I missing? And from that moment, everything started to click. Everything in my life changed. Where I. I started to get closer to God. I had a greater desire. I literally read the entire New Testament. I bought a study Bible. I read six months. I read the whole New Testament after that. When I got home, I inundated.

[Dan]

So in that moment, that changed. Did you invite God into your heart differently? Did you confess something? Him? Did you do something? Like what?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I don't know that I confessed anything. Something just said everything that you've had that was missing is now, right? Because damn, man. Like, I had a lot of money, a nice house, a beautiful wife, every car. I collected Jordans. I had hundreds of pairs of Jordan everything. I have an arcade machine in my, like all of this stuff. And every night I'd go to bed, I look at her and I look around me and I'd be like, why don't I feel good? Like, why do I feel, like, bad? How could I feel bad? I feel like I have everything I want. I just kept buying things and spending money on things. And then it hit me right then and there. This is why you feel bad. And you know what? I don't feel bad anymore. Sometimes I'm tired and stressed, but I never go to bed like something's wrong or missing because it's not. Because everything that I needed was right in front of my face waiting for me the whole time.

[Dan]

Time. So you. Then this point started, then God was drawing you closer to him?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Absolutely and absolutely.

[Dan]

Was your, Was your mother a believer or father?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, my mom is hardcore.

[Dan]

Yeah. Okay. Because it was her prayers, by the way. Yeah, he's there for. And okay. So you start walking with the Lord closer because now he puts a desire in your heart to dig in. And so what happened then?

[Dylan Jamelli]

So that's when things started to open up for me. Because then start. Things started to come to the realization, this is kind of what you need to be doing. And things started falling into place for me. I was never this guy that was like, I have to find my purpose. But once I started to understand what the Holy Spirit really was, what discernment actually meant. And I could, like, in my mind, understand what I actually had inside of me, because I didn't understand. I never took the time to understand. When you hear something, you think you hear a voice in your head telling you it's good or bad or right or wrong, it's the Holy Spirit trying to tell you, dude, listen, listen, listen. And every time that I would try to convince myself that, oh, this is okay, knowing in my heart it wasn't, something bad happened. Now every single. It's kind of like when I used to gamble, and I'd be like, that doesn't seem right. Even though everybody's telling me to go that way, I'm going to go the other way. It lose every time. So I listened and I listened and I listened. And now everything I do, everything that. That I do right now is Holy Spirit driven. I have turned down what people would call crazy amounts of money recently because something was telling me, this is not. This is not good. He's given me everything I need. I know that I don't have to worry about it anymore.

[Dan]

See, now you're walking with him.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

Back then, you were walking very against him.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Absolutely right. Absolutely right.

[Dan]

Yeah. I'm a prodigal son, if you will. I. Yeah. Meaning, you know, it's like this kid, you know, he had everything. He walked away, he was rebellious, and then he came back, back to the father.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, you know what? So I always say, oh, well, if prison hadn't happened to me, then I wouldn't be here. And if this hadn't happened to me, it wouldn't be here. So in 2023, I did some work with a doctor, and he said, everybody that works with me, I have him go get a calcium score. He's like, you're in. I mean, I do 15 miles a day of cardio. I. I'm in the gym another hour and a half. I eat this certain way, which I'm going to talk to you about after the story. And I went to get a calcium score, and my dad had a heart attack at 59, and my calcium score was 120 because he told me it would probably be zero, and I panicked.

[Dan]

You mean it? So what should it be?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Zero.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

At that age, should be zero. Now, calcium score won't show you soft plaque. So even if you have a zero score, potentially you could have soft plaque, then it's not recognizing.

[Dan]

That's like in a calcium. They're not measuring your blood calcium. They're looking at calcium in the arterial.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes. Calcified plaque. And so I panicked because I had a. A little bit of an understanding. Well, I come to find out I had an elevated LP, 300 some. You can't control that by diet and exercise. That's a genetic thing. So I dig and learn about that. Well, what happens is I study cardiology now. I'm. I'm digging and talking to everybody I can get my hands on, and I'm Talking to everybody. Dr. Gundry, regular doctors. You never heard of anybody that I can get in front of that will listen to me.

[Dan]

Me.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And so I made that one of my big topics of discussion. And I figured out how to reverse plaque and do things. And then I ended up recently with a low ejection fraction. Well, I figured out how to fix this and do this. And understanding what's causing it was likely steroid use. Combination of steroid use, cocaine, things like that.

[Dan]

So you did a lot.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes, but understanding now that we can not only fix this, but teaching people how to do it. But I will argue the low fat diet had something to do with all this too.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But I've been able to. Now I've had several, like so many tests done. I got my. My ejection fraction up 7% in four months. I've been able to reverse so much plaque. LP little lace dropped hundreds where they told me, you can't drop it at all. My point in saying this is that these things happened to me and I caught them early enough so I could help people and teach them about all the nonsensical information. Right. But understanding that those were actually gifts to me because I needed those things to happen.

[Dan]

Every hard thing that happened to me, I needed to happen. Yes. God, is that good.

[Dylan Jamelli]

When you understand that it was a gift, not a curse, Absolutely everything adds up.

[Dan]

Our perception becomes our reality. If you're still living. It was a curse. And too bad for, you know, I. Everything. Everyone else's fault, not your fault.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

You started this whole show by saying, okay, first of all, I'm gonna take responsibility. Everything happened. My life, I caused. Yes, yeah, okay, but. But you know, when there's people that are still blaming. Listen, I only did it because of my father. One of my past producers, him and his sister, she had drug problems, different addictions, et cetera, et cetera, different problems. If you asked her, how did you end up here? She blamed the father. Him. He has all the success in his life. Incredible human that I know. You know? So what was it? You know, what Made you who you are, man. Because as I asked him the question, he's like, oh, my father, absolutely. He's like. But my sister would tell you the opposite. My point is, is that raised by the same father. Same father. One blames him in one that creates. Gives him credit for success. Our perceptions are reality. He perceived as father. My father had some issues, however. He looked at the positive, she looked at the negative.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That goes back to when my mom said, were me and your dad really that bad of parents?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I broke. But I didn't tell you what I said. I did. Absolutely not. I made all these decisions myself. You couldn't have done any more for me than you possibly did I. You ever say that to me again. I try to never talk back to my mom, but I told her, then don't ever say that again or think that, you know, I want to see your face when I tell you this, because I told this story to Ben Azadi, Dave Osprey, and Dave's face was like. I mean, he was like, mortified. But then told me how great of what I ended up doing. So I told you. Kind of my training, obviously, eating disorder, heavy training, over training fit. 10 to 15 miles a day, five days a week, week. Then. Then the gym, another, I don't know, hour, hour and a half of weightlifting. You would think and imagine that at that kind of output, you need a lot of intake to keep up.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I was eating for about after I got out of prison. This started. I was eating good days, 1800 calories a day, bad days. I'm supposed to be eating 3,500 to 4,000, terrified of fat. That. Here's what I ate all day. My wife would cook every single day about 15 servings of vegetables, peppers, onions, mushrooms, zucchinis, stuff that would make me feel full throughout the day. And I'd snack on it all day long. So I was eating that much per day. Greek yogurt, low fat, no fat, non fat, non fat. Protein powder, egg whites, no egg yolks ever. And if an egg yolk even dripped out of it, I'd panic and start scooping it out. No, it's just horrible. And oatmeal didn't ever.

[Dan]

Cause you, like, God created an egg perfectly the way. Yeah, okay. I.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Please.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Nothing makes sense.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Don't make me depressed. Yeah. And then peanut butter was the only source of fat or a quest bar which had very, what, five, six grams of fats. That is. That is the basis of what I ate.

[Dan]

Starving your brain. That needs that Fat, your cell membranes, your hormones. It's.

[Dylan Jamelli]

How productive can you be, first of all, during the day?

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, my God, it's amazing. It end up back on coke just to get through a day.

[Dylan Jamelli]

30 every 30 minutes. I'm kind of getting up and walking around. It's hard for me to even make content after several years.

[Dan]

But it's, it's the body morphism once again. Yeah, Right. It's, it's, you know, the fear of. Really, the fear is not looking the way you think you should look, because that's who you are. That's what gives you all the, you know, attention.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, I mean, that's it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, so you can imagine the pain and suffering my wife's going through. We never eat out. We. I don't, I don't eat alone. I don't eat with her ever. Ever.

[Dan]

I mean, how long did you do that? That 14, 1800 calories on that. I mean, how long did that last before you.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Almost 10, 12 years.

[Dan]

What?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Because when I first got out, like when we were in Maui, I was still eating chicken and, like, some fish and stuff and different things. Tuna I was incorporating. Well, then I got to that point, and I swear to you, I started watching some people I highly respect, and I'm a nutritionist for 15 years and I'm teaching people to eat fats and stuff and, and coaching. No, because I was different. Because if I did it, it wasn't going to work because I was different.

[Dan]

Yeah. You knew your body.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, I know my body. So I watched several people that you and I respect, and I, I was listening to them and listening to how they were eating, and I, I, I finally, finally said, you know what? Because I'm one of those snap mic. If you knew me, I'll buy a car on the drop of a dime. I'll do this on a drop of a dime. I'll hop on a plan Complaint. I went into the kitchen one day and I said, babe, I said, okay, I need to talk to you. And so she knows when I say that, normally it's something with work or money or something we're gonna go do. We're gonna try something new today. And I wouldn't touch any of the foods I'm about to rattle off to you. I said, I'm gonna make you list. You and I are gonna go together. Because she always wants my time and it's hard for me, and I don't give her enough of that either. We're gonna go together, which she already, I could see lit up. We're gonna go to Whole Foods and here's a list of stuff that I'm gonna start, start eating. Because in my head I said, you know what? I know how to lose weight. If I gain a bunch of weight, I'll lose it like this. I'll be fine. We're gonna buy.

[Dan]

So you were still not, I mean, you were still convinced that these foods could cause you to gain weight? Oh, yeah. But what made you say you needed them?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I couldn't take it anymore. I knew at that point, if I'm going to be productive with all these opportunities, something else has to change because I can't focus.

[Dan]

That's what I was gonna say. You, you had to have some type of symptom that you thought. Yeah. So you, you couldn't stay focused because the, the drain of the fat.

[Dylan Jamelli]

To be honest with you, I, it was just. God, putting this in front of my face.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You have to make a change because I just woke up one day and said I'm. Because I had been watching stuff for months about, you know, do this, do this.

[Dan]

So the reality of, yeah, okay, I

[Dylan Jamelli]

just woke up and said I have to do it.

[Dan]

Telling other people to do.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, we're gonna go get, I'm gonna try grass fed beef. We're gonna try salmon, which I hate.

[Dan]

I. Eggs full, whole eggs.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Do I hate salmon or am I convinced I don't like it?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Avocados. Am I like. It didn't even taste it.

[Dan]

No, you hate the fatty idea of it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Every single food that I eat to this day is like based around healthy fats.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know how pissed off I am that I have not been cooking in grass fed butter.

[Dan]

So what's your caloric intake today? Not today. You mean now?

[Dylan Jamelli]

On my good days, about 3,000.

[Dan]

Okay. That's normal. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But I, I went from about 25 grams of fat to 135.

[Dan]

Yeah, that exactly right. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Over 200 grams of protein. I'm not, I'm not Mr. Keto or low carb. I probably need more carbs. I do about 110. 150.

[Dan]

Well, see, I'm a guy. I teach diet variation, meaning, you know, moving it out. I, I go into keto periodically. I go into high carb. Healthy diet. That's good. There's purpose in it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I try to mimic ancestral living.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Honestly, it's like they were moved in and out of different. Because there's a benefit to eating, you know, very High fat, low carb. And there's a benefit to eating high carbs. Healthy carbs. Right. So I appreciate that.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, with the term metabolic flexibility, how do you obtain flexibility if you're not flexible?

[Dan]

Absolutely. Yeah. And that's why diet variation, it also creates diversity in the microbiome. Yes. So there's a lot of reasons for that. I don't want to hijack this story because there's so many learning here. Right. So, all right, so now how long have you been on this? So, you know, really balanced.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I had to ease into it. So I, I, I'm, I was weighing everything out, real particular. So I was doing like 80 grams. Of course you are.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Of 80 grams.

[Dan]

I know who you are. Of course you're doing that.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I started off at 80 grams of avocado. Okay. Which is not a lot. It's a very small, medium one. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna eat bread again. So I have to have Ezekiel toast. Just the Ezekiel toast. And then. Okay, I'm gonna have six egg whites.

[Dan]

By looking at yourself in the mirror. Am I kidding?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, I was, I was. Six egg whites. But I'm gonna have a couple whole eggs now. Okay. Couple. Let's try some salmon. I, I was always like, I eased in with cod first. Low fat fish.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Okay. I'm gonna try this salmon because I, I really, I really didn't care for the taste that much, but maybe it was because I thought I didn't.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I ate one and I was like, jeez. Like, this is so good. Yeah.

[Dan]

After a few weeks, your brain starts coming on, going, okay, okay, I'm gonna

[Dylan Jamelli]

try a little bit of this grass fed butter. Then I met.

[Dan]

Oh, butter. Well. And I started fat there. Well, yeah, that was a big step,

[Dylan Jamelli]

the SCT oil as opposed to mct, because I was, was researching. Okay. The cla in this. It's going to help me get energy.

[Dan]

Burn fat acid helps you burn fat. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So I test this out and I was watching the calories then. Okay, pretty, pretty tight. 22, 23, 24. And I'm going. I kept telling my wife, I said, have I, do I look different to you? Because I feel like I haven't been this cut since I use steroids. And I haven't felt this good in a very long time. Time. Let's kind of check my blood work, though, and see how that's looking. HDL is normally like 40. For me, it was up to 50 some.

[Dan]

Yeah. And even 80 would be better.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Higher the better. I'm gonna get there. Yeah, I'm gonna get there. And I go, okay, I think I can eat more. Let's try a little more. And I kept testing it and testing it and testing it to. Now I'm eating like 200 grams of avocados. Four whole eggs. I'm having at least, least about three quarters a pound of ground like grass fed beef or. Then I started trying elk. I tried Venice. I went down the line.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It had everything. And I was like, huh, Ground pork. Huh, huh. And I'm happy. Like, I'm not fighting.

[Dan]

Brain's working better and I'm leaner. Oh, dude. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So I was at like, when I travel, my wife packs me out.

[Dan]

By the way. You were getting skinny fat. Yeah. Meaning you, you were losing muscle.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Terrible. And that. And you had a, you know, your body was holding on to fat. That's why when you started feeding it, you start gaining muscle without even lifting. But I'm sure you're lifting, but. And then you started cutting into your fat.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes. And you know what else? I realized I was eating like nothing but carbs all day and nothing else. Yeah, nothing. It was like straight carbs. Exactly. Yeah.

[Dan]

Because you're afraid.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, and I was having all that oatmeal, you know what I mean? And like just loading it with protein

[Dan]

powder, you actually had higher insulin glucose levels. Terrible. Yeah. And you're avoiding all the things that were actually would have controlled your insulin glucose and insulin glucose. A faster way to age and a faster way to fat.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Not only that, but I was eating it late at night too, because I was up so late, you know, studying. So I was eating two to three servings of oatmeal with peanut butter and protein powder at like 2 in the morning.

[Dan]

You know, I hope this show makes it to the. There's so many of you out there. Yeah. You know, it's like there's so many. And I think social media even creates more of you. And you, you broke through this. That's why I hope this show makes it it to people because people will identify with this. And matter of fact, you better share the show because you know, these people, right. They're very disciplined. Right. You know, they're very disciplined people. They're the ones that are always at the gym. Right. They're the ones that, you know, I mean, you can kind of spot them.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But we lie to ourselves.

[Dan]

Absolutely.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And I have been lying to myself for so long. The reason that I got the platform that I did was for me to get guests on that needed to be heard, and that's why he's grown so fast. But it was also for me to get out, get people closer to God and to understand all of these things that I've gone through. We. Every single human, I don't care how glorious they make themselves look. I don't care how much money they have. I don't care. They all have issues. Everybody has an issue.

[Dan]

And we're all the same because everyone's functioning in false identities to some degree.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

The level of, you know, the level that you're functioning closest to your true identity, who God created you to be, is the level of. Life's pretty easy for, you know, they. They're successful, they're happy, everything works out. Their relationships work out. You're functioning pretty close to your true identity. Yeah, if that's you. But if you're lying to yourself and it's this and it's that and this is. Yeah, you're probably way off your tr.

[Dylan Jamelli]

There's a lot of brilliant people out there that do podcasts, that do videos, that do this and do that. I am. I am brilliant because of who I associate myself with and who I learn from.

[Dan]

Well, you're also br. Because of what you went through. But.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But I also understand that you can never know too much. You can always know too little. And I keep it as real. Look, you can't come to me and say that, oh, he's. He's on this side or that side, or talks this or that. There is nobody out there. I will say this for myself. That you're going to get a realer story from or truth from, because I just don't care. I just do not care. All I care about is what God put me here to do and making the impact I was meant to make. Because I will tell you this, Dan, I have more value on time than anybody could ever imagine. I have lost time that I can't get back, but I value the time that I lost because it built me into who I am. But it took away from a lot of things.

[Dan]

It does. There's consequences. Right. But ultimately, if you choose correctly, and I hope people are hearing this right, if you choose correctly and take full responsibility where we started this conversation, God will work with you at that point. Otherwise, he's going to keep letting you another. We'll give you two more years in jail. Yeah. We'll give you three, four, five. Because he loves you that much. That's right. But the moment you say, okay, God, I'm going to do it your way. Right. That's what David had to do in the Bible. It's what Saul never did.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

You know, he wanted to do it Saul's way.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the moment we say, okay, Lord, it's you now, now all of a sudden your life changes. And I hope people hear that. Well, but it is taking responsibility.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, in the Bible, most of the people that were chosen to do the best work. Work were the ones that were the most wrong and what they were living and doing and were making the most mistakes.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And those are the ones that were chosen for a reason.

[Dan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know, and that's, that's one of the things that I also had to learn.

[Dan]

See, the.

[Dylan Jamelli]

The Bible is so misinterpreted because people take verbs, verbiages, and words and they, they. They take them for what they want. But when I was reading it first into, I go, you know, I'm learning a lot, but it kind of always

[Dan]

just goes back to love.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And it goes back to love. And I'm like, okay, I need more love.

[Dan]

Love.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But it's like when you watch a movie 10 times.

[Dan]

Yeah. But people focus on the love part of God, but they, they also forget his judgment.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

He's both. Yeah. A good father. A good father. It's. It loves. Right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Father.

[Dan]

Disciplines you. And that's how you ended up in jail, son.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right. But once you realize the depth of what's being written in there and you can look through and you read it 10 times and learn something 10 times differently and new.

[Dan]

It's.

[Dylan Jamelli]

When you watch a movie 20 times, it's your favorite movie.

[Dan]

Go.

[Dylan Jamelli]

How the hell did I miss that? That when I read. And then I think, just like today, something hit me talking to you for a reason. But you have to go back and you have to spend that time. It's like Michael Jordan didn't stop shooting shots. He practiced more. You have to re. Educate yourself daily and you have to give yourself. You basically sacrifice some of yourself to God to get out what he wants you to get out. It's not sacrifice to me, though. Just like today when I was driving here. Here. And I spent so much time in prayer in the last day or two, I've been lacking. And I wondered why I was such a dick yesterday. It was because I didn't pray enough yesterday. You know, that's the part of me that. That I need that to function and to deliver the message that I'm trying to, like, deliver with you and deliver to people. I Am. I might have a million followers. I might have a high, this rated, that or that. I am literally just another dude. You know what I mean? Just like we all are. That just wants to make a difference. I know a lot of different things that I help people with, but I think the most important is to give people inspiration, hope, and belief in, like, what they can do.

[Dan]

I agree. Because people out there right now are in pain for different reason. Maybe it's a relationship, maybe it's a health condition, maybe it's, you know, something, addiction, whatever. But the fact is, is inviting God into that. The purpose will come.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's it. That's it. That's how you find your purpose at it.

[Dan]

Yes, exactly. And that. That's why, look, I. I focus on the stories. I love the stories. I love to teach around the stories. Because in the stories is where the truth really is. We can sit here and talk about facts and nutrition and it's like. But really it's the stories that change our lives. The pain, the purpose.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

And. And people are in pain.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I know.

[Dan]

And it's like. And it's like I've been there in so many different ways in my life that I can tell you that I needed everyone. We both said. Said that. All right, look, I promised this at the top of this show to talk about peptides a little bit. We talked about SARMs. Most people don't know about SARMs. Before we leave that and enter in the peptides, what are the healthy sarms?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Okay.

[Dan]

And should anyone try any of them or should you we just not.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I know I was always a sarms guy and I did this whole thing and I, I didn't.

[Dan]

Most songs were really bad.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, I had, you know, I. I was paid to market and do stuff, so I, I did have an interest in it, and I wonder if that played me. But I also go back to ban. I use these. These are great. In reality, over time, what I've come to really learn and understand is one you may be getting a SARM from that says it's peer or not, but they've changed over time and how they're made and how they're tested. And I don't feel that any of them are truly safe at this point because you. You still have potential damage to the liver. Not as extensive as a steroid. See, my whole thing when I'd say they were safe was it was in comparison to something that's very unsafe if you take it and sit it down. Like, you and I both know, just one glass of Alcohol is damaging. Right. So one cycle of these is damaging. Is it irreversible? Not necessarily. But is it good? No.

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, I would argue one glass of could be very damaging to someone who's had an alcoholic problem.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I agree with.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm very tempting. That's why they can't even go to bar. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

One glass to someone who's healthy. I mean, arguably, you know, hormesis.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right. Yeah.

[Dan]

They can actually deal with a tolerated. And it's actually could potentially be good for them. And they're drinking wine. But to your point, though, okay, so SARMs, there's. They can be contaminated. There's problems with SARMs. What about something. Because a lot of people take GW SR. I've tried them, and they're not really SARMs. Yeah. Are those.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Okay, once again. So, like, the GW side, there's that cancer study that was done on rodents and there's some side that go, oh, the math is this. And the other side that. Oh, the math is that, you know, how this works with studies and everything. Have I ever had a direct sense of does this actually cause cancer? No. But do I also have a sense that if you have, like, if you're prone to it or you have some cancer cells, that it could elevate the growth potential?

[Dan]

Yeah, a lot of things could. Yeah, you're right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, certainly. So that's something to take into consideration with the sr. It.

[Dan]

It.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Has it been studied long enough for. For what you and I would like? Probably not long term. Do I see a lot of good, good potential there? Sure I do. Because there's like, it's. So it was an. It was like an exercise mimetic, so you don't have to work out when you take it and still lose weight. Does it have potential benefits for your metabolism and flexibility? Yes. Can it increase your endurance?

[Dan]

Mitochondrial biogenesis? We make more mitochondria.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

So.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But are there better ways?

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, just exercise in general.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right. But could you take Uran A for mitochondria? Could you take other, you know, things that we know that are beneficial? I would much rather go that route. So. And I know this is.

[Dan]

Answer the question.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It's going against the grain of what I used to teach for all these years, but I'm man enough to admit where I may have been wrong.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, I. I think that's a good answer. Okay, so let's move into peptides. Yeah. Yeah. So again, healthy ones, unhealthy ones. Let's start by explaining to newbies. What is peptide?

[Dylan Jamelli]

I mean, it's just chunk of amino acids. I mean, in all actuality, when I started in 2012 and I discovered these research chemical companies which we can certainly dive into if you want me to explain that. But you could only select, I believe it was eight or nine. And they're all like growth hormone, growth hormone releasing peptides or releasing hormones. So the same ones you see now. IPamorelin, CJC 1295.

[Dan]

Yeah, they. Those are growth hormone, growth hormone, yes. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

The GHRS. The GHR P2 and 6.

[Dan]

I'm going to be honest, I took, I, I tried those and I didn't really notice much. And for the expense.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, whatever. I mean, all those are really. So GHRP6 can help you eat a lot. So you could gain some size. Like for bodybuilders, they like that one. Those are really just helping you release growth hormone as opposed to taking exogenous growth hormone.

[Dan]

Yeah. It doesn't shut. Your body's in production.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No.

[Dan]

Right. It just helps. Helps you produce more. So I mean, I do think they're. Those are relatively safe, but I don't, I don't know that it's worth it for the money. That's the money.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I, I think Ipamorella and CJC, they have their place. So I used Milan and Tan2 was the first one I ever used.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, my son used that. I could never use it. And I'll tell you why. Because I get dark spots, right? And that makes dark spots. Dark spots, yeah. So. But he took it, man. He was purple, bro.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I was living in Maui and you

[Dan]

were, you were horrible.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I was so embarrassed that I had to stay home because I got so dark. Because back then you were told, you take this, then you go out in the sun. And when I went out in the sun, then I was laying out an hour. Okay. Because I mean, I didn't have anything to do. That was my joy, you know, and it made me very nauseous every time I took it. Even at very low doses, I would throw up a lot or be so sick to my stomach that, you know, now, now libido increase was very drastic, which was nice at the time, but I, I didn't care for it, but that was about it back then. Now there's thousands and it's something for everything.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You know.

[Dan]

Yeah. Meaning the peptides. Yeah, yeah. I, yeah. Again, I. The ones that I still take because people will want to know. I still take BPC157 if I have an injury. I've never. I just injected my donut. Smarter. TB500 is a very safe. How it just helps your body recovery cover. I've taken others. My brain's spinning right now on, on some of the, the other ones I've taken. But yeah, I mean I, I think that there's a. There's some better ones and some bad. What are some bad ones that we should stay away from?

[Dylan Jamelli]

One thing I'll say is this. I can sit here and talk to you about hundreds of peptides that I'm versed on, but most people you can only get like X amount actually prescribed legally.

[Dan]

You know, these are by the way, SARS peptide. They're in this gray zone. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Very great.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Like, meaning it's not like illegal. You have to go to these websites, that kind of stuff. Sell them for experimental, animal, experimental only. Right. It's like. But they allow you to get them.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because I think they like the feedback. Like, I think it's like a way of testing.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So they're, they're called research chemical sites and they have to say not for human consumption because if they market it any other way, it's illegal. The problem is, is all these peptides we'll talk about right now you can't really get them prescribed. You have to go that route.

[Dan]

I know. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So you don't have a choice. Now I'm privy to the information on where to go and where to not go because there's like new ones popping up left and right and half of these places don't test them.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And anyway, so you asked some of the bad ones. I think the first way everybody's going to go in terms of a bad one is to just go straight to GLP1s. Now are they bad?

[Dan]

That, that's a, it's a peptide. Hate it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Very debatable topic on how bad they are because you got one side of the fence that has.

[Dan]

No offense, but I'm sure I'm surprised you didn't get into glp.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Want I discuss them a lot but I don't touch them.

[Dan]

Yeah, I mean I'm, that's, yeah, you know, I could have.

[Dylan Jamelli]

He's not there anymore.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, exactly like. But you know, I, Well, I guess it wasn't even popular when you were in bad spell yet.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, I, I what?

[Dan]

It was you to take it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

One of the things it was you

[Dan]

to take it, you know.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But be honest with you, one of the things I've been pretty good about is not Taking stuff to lose weight. I've always. I've been scared, especially when I found out about my heart. So that was kind of the time that you got.

[Dan]

Fear drives you, man. Yes, I know, right? Maybe something everybody, but.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Okay, so let's. Let's walk down the line here. So you got. Your first one was OIC semiglutide. That's like little brother, right?

[Dan]

Yeah. And what problems do you. I can tell you the problems that they already know the problems I have with it. But what problems do you have with it?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, I mean, I just think it's crap to. All the way around. I think there's. I think there's so much misuse and people that don't understand how to use it, and I think there's so many negatives that go along with it. Is there potentially good benefit to using it?

[Dan]

Yeah, I. I am willing to say if someone's like, you know, obese, has massive glucose issues, they. They could die anytime from glp could save their life. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not like saying there's never a year. No.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But it's. It's just like anything else. Use it properly or don't use it. This wasn't even designed for weight loss.

[Dan]

You're right. Yeah. Right, Right. So, yeah, that's. They say that that's why all these lawsuits. You know, it's like there's blindness. They're like, oh, wait, hold on a second. Yeah, we don't. We've never developed it well.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And that's it. Like. So I use Jardians for my ejection fraction. It's not even. Wasn't designed for that, but actually found that benefit with it. And it works well for me. And I don't have to take the hardcore stuff, but back to the GLP1s. These weren't designed for this purpose. They found this out later through, like, testing. And these are for people that have a diabetic issue. Right. So this one was the first one. So then what happens? Well, they develop something better. Right. Appetite. It's better. It's got less side effects, maybe more effective, but still problems. So now what? We develop Retitrutide, which is still in their last phase of studies, but everybody uses it. It's by far the superior one. It's been. It's like we go through this phase of, okay, we found something, but it's all messed up.

[Dan]

Messed up.

[Dylan Jamelli]

We're going to fix it, make it a little better now. We're going to make it really better. So, Bret, a true Tide so far is showing to be a lot safer. Is it? I don't know because I need more data and I need more like real. I have a lot. See, I'm a data guy, but I'm a data guy on what I see on the surface, not what studies tell me because they're so manipulated and there's so many ways to manipulate them. And so I look at how I'm, I'm talking to hundreds, if not thousands of people on how are they reacting to it. And that's where I draw my data. But you see the problem with that is I don't know the quality of what they're getting. So there's a, there's a different approach and problem. When you're looking at these underground, you know, markers on people using them.

[Dan]

Are there some peptide labs that you like more than others?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, so there's one I've known now for five years. It's really the only one I'll associate my name with is called Umbrella Labs.

[Dan]

Yeah, Umbrella Labs. I, I just, just told you know, I have no names. But anyway, yeah. To get a SARM there. Yeah, it was the gw.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's the spot.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly. Because they, they at least they tested it. So you're getting what you pay for.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It's got a million dollar facility. Yeah, I went down there to meet him in I don't know, 20, 19 or 20 and went down there to see them where they're at and, and did a walk through because I was wanting to see a place that actually had a real facility and not making it in their bathtub at home.

[Dan]

Home.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It's legit. And he's a good dude, you know, like a really good guy. So that's the place I go.

[Dan]

Umbrella Lobs. Yeah, that would be the one that, you know. Yeah. Beat on the street is a, is a good one.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You brought up BPC and TB500. I talked about the bad ones. So these are the ones everybody really is behind. Okay. So let's take it a step further. Those are the two most well known in the healing around.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So then they come out with this product called glow.

[Dan]

Yeah, It's a combination tb, BPC and ghk.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Ghkcu. Right.

[Dan]

And. And that's, that's kind of a chaperone for Copper Love.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Ghkcu.

[Dan]

Yeah, it heals. I've taken it. Yeah. And, and like I use women like it because it, they're collagen.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I use it on my face. Do you know Dr. Patel with aura Oral wellness.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

He came on my show and he let me try some of it. We love it. Me and my wife use it. And I'm a big skincare care, obviously from modeling. I love ghkc. But then we take it a step further. This is the key to that whole combination. So now they come out with this thing called clo with a K. That's where the KPV comes in.

[Dan]

Okay, so we had GLOW and now

[Dylan Jamelli]

we have clo, which all four of them.

[Dan]

KPV is a peptide that helps gut issues.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes. And that's why I love it so much.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I knew you would.

[Dan]

I have, you know, told people to try use KPV tv, even the oral version. And I, I'm telling you, works to me.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's the secret weapon to the four, which really makes it like worthwhile. Well, I shouldn't say worthwhile. I'll say make it its strongest. If you really want the ultimate healing stack, you get the four.

[Dan]

So in review, TB500, BPC,

[Dylan Jamelli]

GHK, GHK,

[Dan]

K, and then the, the copper peptide, GHK, Cu, and then what was the other APV? KPV.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, that's the one. So I'm a big fan of that and I'm a big fan of mot C. Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah. Moats. I always say moats. Right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You can say it either way.

[Dan]

We'll talk about moats in a minute. So what those four, what would people expect if they got on this?

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, like you said, with the gut, which is a major thing, we start having that type of possible gut healing or repair because. Because BPC has that kind of benefit.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. No, BPC works in the gut, definitely. But I've noticed the new oral versions actually in the gut can sometimes make a bigger difference. Yes.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And. And that's what it's good for.

[Dan]

Like, I inject BPC like my shoulder, put it in there.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, and for people watching, if you take BPC orally, you're not going to really experience like what you're getting in your shoulder nearly like it's because you're. You're site injecting to a site that needs the healing, which is what you're going to want to do. I use a crack cream. It's a BPC TB500 cream. And I love stable enough.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know that. Oxidize these things, damage easily.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It works. Now it's only BPC and TB500. I just get sick of injecting all the time.

[Dan]

Oh, dude, I know. I go through Phases of this, you know, I like what, it'll motivate me. Like I said, I, I had a, a 10. A tendonitis. Tendonitis. And so then that put me back into using. That's how I ended up back up on Copper Peptide. Yeah. And that's how BBC 500 occasionally taking that stack. I love it. It, it's good. Then it took a little injury to get there because it's a pain in the butt and it's expensive. I mean, I'm, you know, it's annoying.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And, and I've been on TRT injections forever now. I, I just.

[Dan]

We're gonna talk about that next.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. Because I want to talk to you about the oral form of that now that I'm gonna start. So. Yeah, that, that you will expect the healing, obviously, but the, the, the, the skin, the way that your skin will look, your hair, your skin, your nails, all of that, you're gonna know it's like the full fledged full blown stack. And, and I love these options because this is the alternative medicine of the future with the whole peptide genre.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

There's so many options.

[Dan]

Yeah, there are. And, and again, I, I could. There's some. We talk about GLP1s.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

They're bad peptides. There's other bad peptides out there.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Sure.

[Dan]

We're not making a, you know, a statement or, you know, all these peptides. Even the sarms. I've taken GWSR itself.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

So, so. But I do agree with you. It's like, you know, I mean, to spend the money, I mean. So, you know, I, I was talking to someone in the gym. They're like, yeah, but I like to be on them because that gets me to the gym. See, I don't have that problem. I get to the gym anyway.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I believe, I believe in self intrinsic motivation.

[Dan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dylan Jamelli]

If you need something like that to take you to the gym, you should reflect.

[Dan]

So anyways, those are good for the hair, the skin, the joints. Right. And all of that in the gut. Right. So that crosses a lot of boundaries. You, we. You focused on all my favorite ones. Right. So.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Moats, though I've never taken Moats. What is Moats? I heard of Moats one.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So, okay. It's really known to be an exercise memetic.

[Dan]

Am I saying it wrong? You say it might be correctly.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But what did you have to do with Mozzie Matzi?

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm saying Moats. I don't know. I'm probably wrong.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I'm just like, you could say I It's all the same. It's all good. Potato, potato. Right. But anyway, it is known to be an exercise mimetic, meaning that you could take it, not really work out and have some fat loss. I.

[Dan]

So it's kind of like SR Sarm.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. But it mitochondrial benefits.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's what I like about it.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Helping mitochondrial health. Take that. That's where I like it because I'm a big mitochondrion cellular health guy. When I started to do my work with Timeline a year ago, I literally went to Harvard and studied cellular biology at night and understood mitochondria. Became a cel. That's how serious I take my part background.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So, like my least favorite subject my entire life was science, and now my whole life revolves around it and biology. That's why I just enrolled for neuroscience at asu. So I have really focused on cellular and neuro, piecing them together with, you

[Dan]

know, my saying, you have to fix the cell to get well. Yeah, that's my saying. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I love it.

[Dan]

That goes with me in life.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I want to be known as a mind body connector. But spirituality is part of that connection too. I have a three prong. Approach. Approach. I mean, I would. I will go into.

[Dan]

By the way, I. I should have said this. I was going to earlier. Where do people find you? Because everyone's going, okay, I want to follow this guy, tell them where to find you.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I actually am finishing up dylanjamelli.com and

[Dan]

it is, well, you better spell the Germelli.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah. G E M E L L I Dylan Jamelli podcast and then Instagram. Like, if you go to me on TikTok, I got a ton of followers. I respond to no one because I hate tick. I despise it.

[Dan]

I don't even have it on my phone.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I. Yeah, I only post there because I need to for partners, but otherwise I don't touch.

[Dan]

Touch it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But yeah, those are my bread and butters. Instagram you will get me. I don't have people respond from me. If you get a response, it's from me.

[Dan]

Cool.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I don't do that.

[Dan]

So follow them. Follow them.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, please.

[Dan]

All right. Anyways. Yeah, so the moats is. That's a cool one. Oh, I should try it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh, you'd love it. I'll tell you how to use it because you have to. It's a little bit different dosing. So we'll go over it together on the side and I'll kind of show you because you want to make sure that you. You run it and get off My

[Dan]

wife, my wife is, she's been in menopause for many years. She's 58. She did it without hormones, you know, taking a hormone ever. Right. But I just started some peptides with her.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Really?

[Dan]

Yeah, because you know they're worried about the skin in there. Right. I mean I'm not saying in a negative way. It's not for every woman. And she doesn't do Botox, she doesn't do fillers, she doesn't do anything.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Right.

[Dan]

So we live very natural lives. Love it. But so that stack. She's, she's doing that, she's doing one other ones. So what is it? Oh, cmax she's doing, it's more brain.

[Dylan Jamelli]

CEX and Sank are two of my favorites because they do brain and anxiety and everything. They go together, they're very synergistic.

[Dan]

CMAX is with an S at M

[Dylan Jamelli]

AX S E M ax and San is S E L A I don't know that one. They, they pair really nicely together. You do like one in the morning, one at, at night. I can help you with all this.

[Dan]

And then this one sounds more hormone but it's not, it, it's endo test. Yeah. And I can tell you it's helped her, I mean like, you know, she like notices a difference. Right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So SS31 is another one that's gaining a lot of steam and that's got some like cardiovascular heart benefits. Really good one to, to look into multitudes of benefits that I, I, I am potentially going to start taking that one myself. So I'll let you know what I, that one and the benefit, it's, it

[Dan]

is fair fun, you know, experimenting with them and again, I wouldn't do it if it wasn't safe. My health is in to your point too. Right. It's, it's primary. I mean, you know, I just, again I, I just like it for the joint, the health of it. You know, it's 60, I still play hard. You know, it's like so right. You know, tendonitis and I can't like swing a golf cuff.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, yeah, I know, I know. My favorite, I'll tell you my favorite is, it's called Tesla Morin.

[Dan]

Yeah, Testamorin. I, I, I haven't taken it but you know, everyone tells me about it. Oh, here's why I like and it sounds hormonish, but it's not, Isn't it testosterone drug?

[Dylan Jamelli]

No, no, no, no, no. It, it's, it's going to increase your growth hormone levels. But what I Like about it is it's very good for cutting weight and preserving muscle. Because cutting weight is not good if you're not preserving some muscle. And that's why I like it so much because it carries that capability.

[Dan]

Exact why OIC sucks.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

Because you lose muscle. Muscle and it's like. Which makes coming off of it almost impossible. Do you buy into the, the whole low dose thing? Right. It's like, I mean, I, granted, I would argue low dose is better than high dose. Right. It's like. But I find that it just, you know, just takes a longer to get there. But you're still losing muscle slower. You are.

[Dylan Jamelli]

There's cognitive benefits to microdosing. Oh yeah.

[Dan]

Because there's GLP1 receptors on there. But again, that's a microbiome issue.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right. It, look, it makes it easier to eat adequately at a micro dose. But can you still do that? I don't know. Because it, the way that it functions on your brain and shuts things off. I can't speak to everybody. I, I, I can extrapolate data and it's kind of down the middle. Some people, oh, I can eat fine with it. Some people still struggle. Is it good to trick your body that long to just not eat? And then what happens? What happened?

[Dan]

I don't like it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I don't either.

[Dan]

Yeah, I hate it. Don't like it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I'm not anti GOP one, but I'm also, also very open about the facts.

[Dan]

And that's why I always make it clear. It's like I, I think again, you have to balance risk and reward here. Right? Yeah. When you have the obese diabetic, they could die like this from a heart attack, stroke, et cetera, et cetera. And that, that could literally save their life.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So are you robbing Peter to pay Paul? That's always. I am.

[Dan]

Right. So, you know, there's a time and a, There's a time and place for many medications.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

You know, some medication, I might say never. But I'm not telling anyone to do anything. Anything.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But you and I are the same. It's like just because maybe we don't like it, we can still point out a little bit of purpose with it, but just be aware that this goes along with it. Right.

[Dan]

So absolutely.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I never say anti, but I don't care for them.

[Dan]

Yeah, I agree. Okay, let's move in on that subject. Hormones. Okay. Yeah. Look, I, again, I'm gonna state the same thing I just stated. I, there's a time and a Place.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, okay, Absolutely.

[Dan]

But my issue with all of these people in our space jumping to bioidentical hormones, I think it's Mr. Rad directed. I, I think if someone's missing a gland or an organ. Absolutely. You might, you know, need some hormone assistance. But I find that people are just running to this. My issue is the cellular problem. You know, hormones in the blood really doesn't mean what's actually happening in the cell. That's right. So we can make blood levels. Your estrogen's low, your testosterone's low, we can make that look better. But what it's doing in the cell is not reflected by your blood. So it's not as crisp and clean as people think. And when you start taking a hormone, you slow and stop your body's own production. And one more point. And hormones go like this through the day with innate intelligence, meaning stress level goes up, your body will adjust. Your, your estrogen is going to be affected, your testosterone's going to be all in a balancing effect that you don't have to think about. So you're not going, oh, you know what? I know when I'm stressed, I need a little more testosterone. I need a little live one. Okay. Your body does that for you. I know when you're taking these hormones, you're doing, you're doing this, and I think there's, there's a consequence to that. And again, I, with all that said, I recognize the time and the place too. So I'm not anti hormone. I'm just more cautious. Okay. That's my stance.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No.

[Dan]

And I don't. You know, you're welcome to, you have your stance and I'm welcome to bring it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Most people come to me, me to fix them. Right. So I get a lot of people that were either ex steroid users that are completely just destroyed.

[Dan]

They don't have their testicles.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No.

[Dan]

You're probably gonna take testosterone.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes. I have shifted a lot of what I do to really help a lot of women. So I have a 50, 50 audience now. I've worked really hard to get that because I do work with a lot of menopausal women and a lot of people that are struggling in a midlife. Sort of, I think, hate the midlife crisis term, but I don't know how else to put it, men and women. So one of the first things that I get is, oh, I'm tired, I need testosterone. Oh, I'm run down, or, oh, I can't lose weight, or, oh, this. And my, my first response is, no, let Me dig, let me see if there's something here that's blocking your testosterone production or if that even is the

[Dan]

case or blocking it from getting in the cell.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right. So for instance, just one example example if I look at a sex hormone binding globulin score and if that is too high, then you're bounding up free testosterone. So we fix that problem, you may boom. We don't need trt and there's a

[Dan]

lot of natural things that can help that.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's exactly right. And that's just one small thing conceal.

[Dan]

But anyway. Yes.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But we go down a list of stuff to look at first before we even do that. Now one thing and I, I just had a former American gladiator on yesterday and she was talking about how testosterone was she ice Lori Fet.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So and she was talking about. And I see this all the time, women that are really struggling in menopause, they, they have this fear of testosterone. Don't understand that they need it just like you and I need it.

[Dan]

Women need it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You and I need estrogen much lower extent. But women need testosterone because that can just crush them. But they have a different balance because they have to look at progesterone, estrogen

[Dan]

and, and test and the potential. Where's it going? Meaning yes, the body body. It could go down the wrong road.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

You know, it could end up going down a road and producing more estrone. And estrone can brock estradiol. That's right. And your doctor's going, your estradiol levels are normal. You know, or they're making it normal but it's being blocked.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Exactly.

[Dan]

So women's take, A woman's taking estrogen going I I don't feel well anymore. It's because their estrone is rising up. Yes.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And then you trying to take one thing to fix another to fix another before you're on 30 things.

[Dan]

Dude. That's my point is it's a whole a hard game to win.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You can't.

[Dan]

And I get. But women have you know, look, if all of the cut the chemicals that mimic hormones. Women washing their clothes and regular laundry detergent has all these hormone disruptors. I know it's like drink out of plastic. It's like they mimic hormones like you know and then they, they, they're trying to balance that by taking hormones. Some women are going to notice a benefit in the behavior beginning. But what I've noticed is there it doesn't last.

[Dylan Jamelli]

No.

[Dan]

Because now this is off now. This is off now. And then they go to the testosterone, then they feel good again. I have my sex drive again and then that doesn't last. It's, this is what we're finding, Dylan.

[Dylan Jamelli]

It's a never ending non stop thing instead of just addressing the problem. Right.

[Dan]

And listen, I am if a woman's life, I mean they can't function anymore. There's a time time that bioidentical hormone could be the or that. Right. But while they're doing that, they better be taking out all these hormone mimics. All these, you know, chemicals that mimic estrogen disrupted drive inflammation of cells, stopping the hormones. Like, I mean it's like if you're not doing that then you're just, you're on crutches your whole life.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right. You have to. Look, I can, it's just like I tell everybody else. I can put you on the best diet in the world. I can do this. I can do this. If you're not hormonally optimized and mentally optimized, it does not matter.

[Dan]

Right.

[Dylan Jamelli]

There's nothing that is ever going to, to work. It is just a band aid to a wound that will fall off every day.

[Dan]

You know, I've had my testosterone measured multiple times. Sometimes it's three hundreds, sometimes it's seven hundreds, sometimes it's four. And I feel the same. But what it tells me is, is

[Dylan Jamelli]

it's moving around prime of day. Is everything what you ate, if you've been moving you you essential to get

[Dan]

the most accurate testosterone level.300. That could land me on testosterone.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Oh sure, sure. You know you're supposed to Ideally fasted for 12 hours first thing in the morning is when you, you're going to

[Dan]

get the best reading thyroid hormones. So very depends on when you take it.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But in fairness certain things can affect that too.

[Dan]

Absolutely.

[Dylan Jamelli]

You should see so I'm on trt. That's my own doing from using steroids. My fault.

[Dan]

Now see, I agree, you use steroids. You know, this is a little graphic but you, you know, you're, you're not strong drink.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Thankfully it didn't happen to me. But it still shuts down your luteinizing

[Dan]

hormones to the point where many ex bodybuilders have no nuts left.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah, a lot of them don't.

[Dan]

But the point because they're not being used. But the point is, is your body shut it down.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

I would tell Dylan you're gonna need testosterone.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Well, yeah, you, you've, I did that myself.

[Dan]

I, I, I'm in agreement with you.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But you would be Surprised like So I inject twice a week now. Now testosterone injections have estro chains connected to them. So cipionate is ideal because it's a seven to eight day half life.

[Dan]

Sibionate is a form of testosterone that is insertable.

[Dylan Jamelli]

So testosterone is testosterone and then they attach an ester chain which allows a, a release point like testosterone. Propionate is like a two and a half, three days. You have to inject it every other day otherwise the levels are all over the place. So cipionate's ideal for TRT because of the half life. So you could inject once a week. Week theoretically. The problem is is you have what's called a peak and a trough. So if I inject like Tuesday you take my testosterone level. It's depending on how much I take it could be anywhere from 800 to a TH000. Then if you take it like if I wait a week and you test it before I inject again it's down to like 300 or 200. So you, you have this like b imbalance of how you feel. That's why when I teach people you have to do it twice a week, you know and, and that a lot of doctors don't understand how this works and they'll put people on these long esters and inject it once a month and these people never feel good because it's up and down. So I met his name is Shaylin Shaw and he's one of the founders of KaiserX. And that's the oral form of testosterone that I'm going to start that. I just got her script because Dr. Betsy Y is the one that educated me on it you know a couple years ago and I wanted to weight to make sure the tests and everything. So I'm going to give it a shot so I don't have to inject because it's supposed to alleviate rise in estrogen. It's supposed to allow your luteinizing hormone to kick back up. There's a lot of things it's supposed to do. You have to take it daily. But it's oral so no more injections.

[Dan]

What about in clon? Some people take that. It stimulates from the pituitary glutenizing hormone FH down and it gets your test to go.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I worry about long term use to benefit the that on, you know, dependency on it.

[Dan]

Yeah, I worry about long term use of anything. I do too. Yeah, I think things stop working too

[Dylan Jamelli]

you know and yeah, that's just it. I don't have enough data or Comfort.

[Dan]

I mean I think most people are taking that for, you know, hypog, Gonadism.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes. And then post psychotherapy. I, I don't have a problem with it. Cuz you, you, that's another thing you think about what do people use to come off steroids? They use Clomid and Novodex. So what are those? Yeah, well Novodex is a breast cancer medication. Do you think that's smart? A dude. And then Clomid is really. It's supposed to be a fertility drug for women.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Does that sound smart?

[Dan]

Well, Funine was from that family. Yeah. Yeah. They used it for infertility actually. Yeah. Start, you know, my memory there. Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But it, do any of those things sound like those are good things to use that they use?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Women like a women's cancer medication. That was always my argument with people. But I don't, I don't have to play that argument anymore because I'm out of that world, you know? Know. But these are the troubling things that

[Dan]

I've learned and again I, I think it kind of brings ours. With the advancements of peptides, it's a way more natural way to go.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Without shutting down your own production. Yeah. Without trying to figure out the game of up and down. We both made the argument some people need it and you should do it right. If you're going to do it. And even gave some great tips there on how to do it. Right. You know, I, I think that when we look at how many women estrogen, progesterone, you know, I, I know the whole thing. The black box warning, they took that off. And I, and I agree it's not directly, it's not creating, you know, cancer indirectly. I think that you could still have problems because I've seen a lot of Dutch tests where women are taking estrogen and we see all these high estrogen metabolites like 4 hydroxy estrone that can lead to breast cancer. Yeah. Cancer. So dangerous. But again that's an indirect thing. It's, you know, so I don't think it would be fair to say, say that it causes it directly. And again there's, there's a time and a place. But what was my point going to be? My point was going to be that. Oh, I know what it was going to be. So women are taking the estrogen and they seem to get this benefit in the beginning, but because they haven't really got to the cause of why.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Then they end up not having a lasting result.

[Dylan Jamelli]

That's right.

[Dan]

You know, And I think that's confusing for a lot of women.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I know.

[Dan]

You know, so the point is, if you're doing that, please be working on eliminating all the things that are disrupting hormones in your life. And follow my Instagram page, because that's what I talk about. Yeah. And then the detox that I teach is getting rid of the. Because a lot of these endocrine disruptors, they accumulate.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes.

[Dan]

Heavy metals accumulate. They don't leave the body in a lot of places. Right. And they accumulate in the brain, even in the pituitary that runs your hormones. You have mercury or aluminum in that area, which I. I did. You can't. All my hormones were disrupted. I spent years trying to balance my thyroid, my adrenals, my testosterone. I mean, it just doesn't work.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I just had a high aluminum score come back and I can't figure out why.

[Dan]

Dude, it's jet fuel. Has it not. I'm not talking about chemtrails. I'm talking about to make. There's. They have jet fuel now to make. It's all about dollars and cents. This isn't conspiracy. You know, they're able to fly jets a lot farther on the modern day fuel. Fuel, however. And that's why you see more chemtrails, by the way. There's more particles and they condensate, you know, and people call them chemtrails. They're contrails. So you see more condensation. But aluminum is coming out of the sky, man. I mean, it's like. And it's in our food supply, it's in our water. And then, you know, how much aluminum foil are people wrapping? We have a lot of aluminum exposures, antiperspirants, I mean, all these things. So aluminum is everywhere.

[Dylan Jamelli]

I was sitting in my backyard and I was like doing pretty prayers and sitting there, and I. All of a sudden I yell queenie at my wife.

[Dan]

I said, get out here.

[Dylan Jamelli]

And this. I saw this thing going across the sky and it was just dropping. And I said, what is that? It looked like a ufo and we filmed it. And you should see this stuff that was just coming in.

[Dan]

Drop. Be clear. And I. I always say that too. Do they do. Do they spray at different times for different. They do.

[Dylan Jamelli]

They.

[Dan]

They have to get clearance. They do get clearance. They. They're doing it for different reasons. So this is like, like, you know, bioengineering has been around a long time, right. And it's used differently. But when you look at a commercial jet going over and you see that. Well, that's not what that is. So that people confuse the two. Right? So when they say, like, you know, Mexico is outlawed, you know, bio. Am I saying that? Bioengineering. What am I saying? Bio. What's the word? What's the word? Bioengineering. Maybe I'm saying it right. Okay. Dyslexia. Anyways, if you still see chemtrails in Mexico, man. But the point is, though, is because what they outlawed is. And they did it in Florida too. You're, you know, you're not allowed to use certain things and spraying certain things. And some of it was being experimental to control weather. I know all that goes hunting went on and, you know, most of it was a fail. But that's still not what you look up when you see the jet. Nobody get hate mail on that because people in our space love that topic. And I. I spend so much time, like, disproving it, you know, So I. I think there's chemtrails, but it's not that. That's the point. I went off. Okay. Aluminum.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The point was I was making was is that, you know, we really have to focus on, you know, the. The causative factors of, you know, where hormones are, man. We're out of time, bro. We just spoke for a long time.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Believe it.

[Dan]

Yeah, I know. So that was amazing. But tell them one more time where to find you.

[Dylan Jamelli]

Yes, please. So. Dylanjamelli.com G M E L L I Instagram Dylan Jamelli podcast. We're tearing it up. You're going to come on, we'll have another great conversation.

[Dan]

I'll be.

[Dylan Jamelli]

But yeah, that I am literally just doing God's work there. And I mean, we talk about everything I do, all aspects of everything from mind, body, spirit, and I do it all. So those are the best places to find me, man.

[Dan]

Yeah. Find them sharing, like the show, as always. Share the show, man. People need to hear that story right there. Share it.