Busygold (3:24)

It's so good to be here on the set with you. And I love that we got to do our episodes back to back, because I already considered you a friend, just from all of our conversations back and forth. But now we're. You're my real brother.

Dylan Gemelli (3:34)

Oh, yeah.

Busygold (3:35)

This is. This is a thing.

Dylan Gemelli (3:36)

Moving forward now, I. The conversation that I just had with you, it just made me feel good. It really did. Being able to talk about so many different aspects of everything that you and I both do and correlating it together and talking about faith and talk and putting that into everything that we do. And so, you know, you're a person of faith. I'm a person of faith. I make no mistake about talking about that. Everything that I have is God given for you in your field and what you do. I know that some challenge that, challenge our belief system. How is that for you, being that you are a person of faith? How do you correlate that into what you do? And how is that in terms of a challenge for you, or does it motivate you?

Busygold (4:25)

I'm always motivated by a good challenge, Dylan. In fact, the more somebody wants to come for me, typically, the more creative and motivated I become.

Dylan Gemelli (4:33)

I love it.

Busygold (4:34)

Send her back down from a challenge. Interestingly, in my field, I feel like I get even more hate and pushback from believers, which is a interesting little experience that I've had. I think within the scope of believers, there tends to be this idea that the Bible by itself and the Word can cure everything and that there need not be anything outside of the Word. And I know obviously not all believers feel that way. And certainly I think that God will provide revelation for people who can solve problems that only compounds when you lean on the Word. But to say that there's no other way, there's no other solution to solve a problem outside of just the word I feel like doesn't make any sense to me. And it's certainly not the relation, personal relationship I've had with God and walking with Holy Spirit. Break method as a whole is very much built off of the premise of Romans 12:2, which is be not conformed to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Break method is a renewing of the mind, and it's helping us understand how these early childhood experiences start to carve away at us and turn us into a sculpture. And it's often not the sculpture that God called us to be.

Dylan Gemelli (5:56)

Right?

Busygold (5:57)

So then we have to start this process of restoration. How do we get back to the divine essence and the imprint of God that he intended for us in the beginning? And of course, God uses all things good and bad. So even the traumas and the things that we endure as children have the ability to help us grow into who we were always meant to be. So I do think that those early childhood traumas, they can split two ways, which is very much part of break method and something that I call the brain pattern spectrum. And it is a visual representation of the 12 years of data research that we've done on clients who have come through Break method. And what we've found is that early childhood trauma and instability and the inability to trust your primary caregivers, it splits you off to the left side of the brain pattern spectrum. When your childhood environment is very consistent and loving and stable, and you do actually look to your parents as authority and people who should be respected, it splits you off to the right side of the brain pattern spectrum. Sadly, those who are split off to the left tend to thrive in work, be extremely purpose driven, resilient. Right? You and I are clearly on the slap side, right? Where when something challenges you or tries to come for you, you don't cower down, you don't look for somebody else to solve the problem, you solve it yourself. And you have some of your best creative inspiration in those moments. What ends up happening on the right hand side is when life is too easy and you are told, respect authority no matter what, you don't start to ask the right questions. You start to lack situational awareness. You look to others to solve problems instead of immediately look to solve the problem yourself. I think biblical parenting principles, like, not the bastardization of them, which I think can be done by fundamentalist or very legalist perspectives of Christianity, but true biblical paradigm parenting splits you off to the middle left, which I assume is roughly, I know it's where I am. I think it's. We'll have you do the brain pattern mapping. I think you're probably slightly to the left of me. I'm a little bit more naturally free spirited and go with the flow than I think you are naturally though. I think you're trying, you're. You're pattern opposing to get more of that in your life. I can see it. I'm trying to be more controlled and process oriented. Right. Like try to prioritize showing up on time more and you know, things like that, communicating have time. I'm. I naturally don't need to know anything and would actually way prefer to just show up and let Holy Spirit lead. But there's a time and a place that, that can become chaotic. So I, my guess is you and I are kind of both center left. Center left is exactly where God wants his children because. And you actually said it on your podcast episodes. This is great. Cause I can kind of echo this back here where we were just on decoded. You only follow yourself in God. So think about what I just laid out for you about when you actually start to immediately think of your parent as an authority figure that no matter what should be respected without question, that becomes really challenging to then follow God. Because what if your parents aren't following God correctly? Now you've, you're basically giving your parents the end all, be all authority over being able to hear and discern Holy Spirit. When you're only following yourself and you're not giving away your. Your trust and not creating dependency with any other perceived authority figure, you're able to very easily follow Holy Spirit and follow God because there's this hyper independence and there's a high level of self trust. So when that connection comes through, you're able to take action on it. The people on the right, they get stuck in a freeze response. They're looking to everyone else to solve their problems. But more importantly, they're putting too much stock in what the world thinks about them. So think even for a moment about a community, the family, our church, caring about what your church thinks about you. Don't get it twisted. Even if you are a believer that's still caring about what the world thinks about you. That's the world that's not God.

Dylan Gemelli (9:52)

Right?

Busygold (9:53)

So a lot of these sadly Christian families that are trying to do everything right, they're actually creating these kids that, you know, it's no surprise to anybody today are running rampant with gender dysphoria, drug addiction, and they're like where did I go Wrong.

Dylan Gemelli (10:08)

Right.

Busygold (10:09)

Lord, save my child. And that's like, why don't you go look in the mirror? Because you're not actually parenting your kids the way God told you to parent them.

Dylan Gemelli (10:15)

That's interesting. It's almost like Pharisees back in time. Right. It's this. It's. And that's. I think, that people forget how to cooperate. The times back then and how it relates to now. Just because things were different then, it's the same thing right now. It's just a different way of going about it. Right. This is why I love these conversations and why I'm so just dead centered on studying the mind. And that's why I'm so excited to talk to you about everything. The podcast Decoded, how did you start that? Like, what was your motivation in starting it? What is your goal from doing it? Because it's gotten really popular really fast, with good reason. But I want to know what your motive is, because a lot of times that will tell me a lot about where we're going with things here.

Busygold (11:04)

To me, the word decoded means that there is something that needs to be understood and broken down that is antagonistic to what the status quo is trying to convince you to look at. Right. So if you have ever watched a movie like the Da Vinci Code or Angels and Demons or even like those movies with Nicolas Cage, the. What is it, National Treasure 1.

Dylan Gemelli (11:27)

Yes.

Busygold (11:28)

So a codex is something that's like, you know, maybe a numerical sequence if you're ever trying to hide something. I don't know if as a kid you ever tried to, like, encode messages that you could bypass people. The whole idea here is that I'm gonna just say the world. And from perhaps a more conspiratorial lens, maybe this is like the elites that run the world are people that have more sinister desires for humankind. If you look at it from a biblical paradigm, it's Satan and then every person and being both on earth and beyond in the heavens that follows his lead. What they want for us, however you look at it, whether it's the biblical paradigm or kind of more the conspiratorial, like, the man is out to get us.

Dylan Gemelli (12:10)

Yeah.

Busygold (12:11)

They disseminate information in a well coordinated, scaffolded way. And this starts from the time we're little kids in school. I don't know if anyone's ever brought up Ghislaine Maxwell, for example, on your podcast, going back into that sort of Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell sort of thing. Yeah. But her father owned the company that produced all of our textbooks. Like when you were in school. When I was in school. Our producer, when she was in school, we all read McGraw Hill textbooks. Yeah, all of us.

Dylan Gemelli (12:38)

All.

Busygold (12:39)

So what on Earth were McGraw Hill textbooks being run by somebody who was an open Israeli Mossad agent who owned all of these other media outlets.

Dylan Gemelli (12:49)

Really?

Busygold (12:49)

So again, without going too deep into the rabbit hole here, something like a textbook that any of us would have read in school. That is how we start to scaffold this knowledge. Two plus two equals four. Four plus four equals eight. Eventually we all, without even realizing we've been influenced, we're all starting to put the same shapes together, not realizing maybe the original pixels were all wrong.

Dylan Gemelli (13:15)

Wow. See, I didn't know any of that that you're talking about, about the textbooks or anything. And that's the problem with the. When everybody does this, Google the AI and ask the AI, well, who's feeding the AI?

Busygold (13:26)

All the bad people.

Dylan Gemelli (13:27)

Yeah, who's feeding them that? Because you know what? I've tested it and I've really dug into things and said that's. That's not true. That's completely bullshit. And you can find it if you look hard enough.

Busygold (13:39)

And once AI understands your preference and where your bias is, it will keep giving you more of the things that confirm your bias, because then you'll like it better.

Dylan Gemelli (13:48)

And if you flood the Internet with lies about your company or yourself or whatever, this is how I found it out. The AI will then return that information to you because it's the most prevalently seen thing on the Internet. Because all I'm finding that it's really doing is taking a big glob of what it finds the most hits on and then putting it together and then translating it out. Very shame. So basically, what we're seeing is a mirage.

Busygold (14:14)

It is. And like many things, it's a funnel. And to understand what the intended output is of the funnel, you have to understand the person that crafted the top of the funnel and what information are they feeding it? And again, what is their end goal? So if you look at something like educational materials that have been disseminated to us in these sort of building blocks over time, it makes sense. Going back to our previous episode, why doctors would just only know what they're told. If they've paid a hundred thousand dollars, 200,000, even up to a million dollars for their education, of course they're not going to turn on their own education by the time they've invested a million dollars, had tons of sleepless nights and that information is built on the scaffolding of all this other corrupted information.

Dylan Gemelli (15:01)

Right.

Busygold (15:01)

Of course they're going to believe that the whole system was built for them to believe that.

Dylan Gemelli (15:05)

See, this is why this is so great, to uncover things and bring these things to light. And I am so fascinated with what you do and what you discuss. And like I was telling you on our show and off camera, like my desire to learn about the brain and its function. When did that become something of interest to you? Because clearly you are not as versed as you are if you have not been doing this a very long time and you weren't passionate about it.

Busygold (15:29)

Very passionate about it. And I think like all things, there has to be some formative personal experience that lights just that initial spark, which certainly was the case for me in my early childhood, as we talked about definitely some early childhood trauma there, which I find to be a positive in my life. It was something that made me stronger, more resilient. And because I couldn't look to my parents to take care of me, I had to learn how to become very self regulated. So all benefits to me. However, my mom really struggled with borderline personality disorder. And without understanding what was going on in her head as a child, you only know what you know. So I created some assumptions that I didn't find out until later were not true. One of these assumptions was that crazy people know they're crazy. Right. So every time my experience of objective reality would conflict with her experience of objective reality, I just felt like I was being punked. Like, what? You know, that that didn't happen and it would just happen over and over and over again. So after a while, I really wrote my mom off as just an aggressive crazy person. I realized, like, crazy is not the word, but one in the mental health industry I should be using, but I'm speaking as my childhood self. I really was just like, this is insane.

Dylan Gemelli (16:57)

Yeah.

Busygold (16:58)

And my sister and I would joke about it and laugh and actually, this is so funny. It's. It's funny enough to go on a tangent here.

Dylan Gemelli (17:06)

Please.

Busygold (17:06)

I think sometimes when I've shared parts of my childhood with people, which I do try to teach from my own experiences and just be a totally, radically open book. I've said before that this one day in high school, my sister threw steak knives at me across the table and people. You're sure in like their other, like, oh, sure. Busy this morning. My sister sends me this meme on Instagram and it's a guy looking out the window, you know, just like sipping A coffee. And it's like. You know the wild thing about having a sibling? You can look at your sibling and be like, remember that time I threw your knives at you? Yeah. Yeah. Those were good times. And part of me wanted to just share this with me and be like, I wasn't lying. She threw steak knives at me. Anyways, I digress. It was a great childhood. Sounds like super top notch. But my sister is a wonderful person. We are best friends now, but we actually really didn't get along most of my life. Only now in our adult wise years, and we became best friends. But even not getting along back then, our only thing that would ever bond us together was like, did you. Did you just see that she's lying, right? So our only bonding was like, mom's certifiably insane. Not until I was 13 years old watching the movie Fight Club did I have a moment of realizing, oh my good lord, crazy people don't know they're crazy. Oh my. It never, never occurred to me. No. No idea. I. I really concluded she must know if she's doing this to us. And it was only in the final scene of Fight Club, when you're watching all the buildings explode and you finally realize these two characters are one person. Did I have any sort of understanding that people that struggle with mental illness might not have any idea and that that level of self deception can be so intense that if people on the outside potentially agitate that very fragile reality, they can become violent, which I experienced as a child. So I had this radical experience of understanding and empathy that literally, it was instantaneous. As soon as I saw it and made the connection in my head, I immediately went to go run to my mom and give her a hug and be like, oh my God, I'm so sorry, we need to get you help. She wouldn't have taken it. But the point is, in that exact moment, not only did I feel empathy and understanding from my mother, but I was personally set out on a mission to understand what is the mechanism of self deception and how can that become so strong that people can't see their way out of it, even when confronted with the objective record. So arguably, since the age of 13, I have been actively pursuing not just work in the mental health space, but specifically what is the mechanism of self deception? Where does it come from? How do we get people to be able to confront it? Because the only way to heal from a mental health issue is to learn how to confront self deception head on.

Dylan Gemelli (20:03)

Right? So experience education wise and things like that. Because I am A big proponent of being multifaceted, structurally layered. And you get a lot of that in the trenches. You don't. I mean you need some. Certainly I'm. And I'm not saying because I'm going back to school for birth studies and I'm not saying you don't need it, but I'm saying there's a lot more to it than being book smart. There's a lot of experience, there's a lot of dealings that you have with people right on hand that you see, that you hear about and that get brought to you or maybe you get from a cohort, whatever. Talk to me about your schooling and then you're just real work throughout life that you've been doing because there's no way in hell that you know as much as you do without tons of hands on experience dealing with people.

Busygold (20:54)

I'm glad we started off by talking about God because that's where this conversation is going to take a turn.

Dylan Gemelli (21:00)

Beautiful.

Busygold (21:02)

There is no reason that I should do any of the things that I know because I did not go to school for it. I have never pursued of the world education in that sense. In fact, my walk with Holy Spirit has led me to something that I practice called intentional ignorance, which is I will not read any books or anyone else's teaching in an area where I know God has called me to teach because then and only then can I know what God is telling me is a hundred percent clear and unadultered and not copied or borrowed or twisted from anybody else. So I do think that there are three pieces to this. If God is going to provide some sort of revelation, you need to be in the right place at the right time. Right there is some sort of. My destiny led me to this point which if you look at it from a biblical perspective, there's preparation and equipping that has to happen along the way. So an example would be we talked about the influence of early childhood trauma. As a result of what happened to me. I became highly situationally aware, very good at reading people's facial expressions. My pattern recognition is likely one of the things that's off the charts for me. And naturally, even before I received any of the revelation, I was already building a natural skillset to be a human lie detector. Pair that with a personal experience and drive to try to uncover the root of self deception. And when God chose now is the time for me to give you this divine revelation. I was ready for it. I was already seeking after it. I'd already built all of the skills naturally by being in my real world environment and I was attuned to listening and I had a high level of self trust. So by the time this started to come through, I was already placed in the perfect spot. So I'd already built other companies that were seemingly unrelated. Yet I think when you look back, you realize how all of the different pieces were all very much crafted to get you to the exact right place. So there was a moment in my early adulthood where I did actually pursue a career in hypnotherapy. Arguably that's like the only schooling that I've ever had, but it wasn't schooling in the traditional sense. I was one of the first students of Dolores Cannon, who is a very, very, probably the most famous hypnotherapist. Her whole specialty was in past life regression therapy, which is an interesting twist for me because from where I sit now, I understand her teaching from a very different perspective because I don't actually believe in that now. But I think I understand conceptually and functionally what was coming through in those sessions. But I think aside from those pieces, nothing else really technically made sense as it was happening. But when I received this revelation, I had already built a massive company and I was already going all over the world lecturing. So now it was like, once I received this revelation, it was like, great, now teach this. Like, I already built you all these platforms, now just do this.

Dylan Gemelli (24:02)

I love it.

Busygold (24:03)

So it was like the. The platform and the skill set remained and now it was just taking one piece of information, kind of delegating that to somebody else, and now focusing on just this new bit of information. And that was in 2014. So it's been 11 years of sticking in this zone, working in the field. I have taught this in the prison system. I've taught it with some of the top CEOs and top 1%. We work with children, we work with couples, and I get a lot in my personal practice, I get a lot of cases where they've essentially failed out of everything else and are really just at the absolute end of their rope. I've had many people, thousands actually come to me, basically like, if this doesn't work, I'm out, you know, and I am going to get to announce it on your podcast first. So no one else has got this information. But we finally have our first peer reviewed study that is being published in JMIR and it shows 86% efficacy with those struggling with suicidal ideation OCD, which is very exciting. That was an uphill battle trying to get that through.

Dylan Gemelli (25:14)

I'M sure.

Busygold (25:15)

But I think this goes back to understanding when God calls you to something, even if on paper, people are like, you don't have credentials. You shouldn't be doing this. You shouldn't be doing that. If God called you to do something and it came from him, none of that stuff matters. Doesn't matter at all. I've always had access to people in places that I shouldn't have had access to. And once I get in the room and I'm able to speak with people, they typically leave. Like, I don't know what's going with this girl, but we need to keep helping her along. So every single time God has given me access to a room I shouldn't have been in, I always leave with 10 people who are even more sure that they need to help me get into the next room. And I think faith has to be a. Especially if you're trying to disrupt an entire industry that really functions a bit more like the Mafia. You can't do that without God.

Dylan Gemelli (26:04)

No, you know, I. And I'm not sitting over here smiling like a weirdo. I'm smiling because everything that, like, has happened to me since I've really taken my life and made it God first, everything that's changed and the people that are falling, and I say this metaphorically falling into my lap, that are all helping me, and me helping them get the message out that you just put out. And it made me get chills, and it made me realize that everything that I know I'm being led to do and being told that I'm supposed to be doing is happening. I. I literally called my mom the other day and I said, it is happening. And I don't think she knew what I was talking to her about. And I explained it and broke it down because my mom's super biblical and, like, spiritual and everything, but I think that everything that you said, it hit home for me in such a way. And like I told you before, I'm not a super emotional guy in general, but I am internally right now with everything that you said, because it really struck me in a way that no matter what somebody says or what some letters they have after their name or what that is, it means absolutely nothing if it wasn't given to you and used in the way that it was supposed to be given. And every single human that's alive has something special. It's about finding what it is. You have something, I have something. The next person has something in what we have. It's speaking and telling people and helping people and when you take his word and correlate it to what you were given, which you clearly have, and you use it in the right way, that's what it's for. You change lives in a multitude of ways. Right. So what do you feel like? What do you feel like? Busy Gold's purpose. Like, what's God's purpose for you?

Busygold (27:53)

To set the captives free. Most people are completely imprisoned by their own thoughts and their patterns of self deception. And that is the plan of the enemy to prevent you from finding your purpose and getting back into God's destined path for you. So in a mental health sense, helping set people free from anxiety, ocd, gender dysphoria, or even just, you know, marital problems, parenting gone wrong, where your kid is now oppositionally defiant, suicidal ideation, helping COP CEOs not turn their company into a nightmare because they're a nightmare. Yeah, those are all the mental health things. Now if you think about it more from this helping people get back onto their spiritual destiny. You have to go beyond just the rewiring from the mental health perspective. And I think this is an interesting place where some believers have really tried to come for me and I, I know that God will eventually take the scales off their eyes and they will see. God has been very specific with me about keeping break method not explicitly religious. In the very beginning of all the pro. The actual programming, I very specifically say what I believe, but I make it very clear this is not. I'm not trying to change your beliefs. I'm not even trying to get you to think differently about this. There is absolutely no religious anything or even biblical teaching in the program itself. Most people, and I deal with people with a lot of profound religious trauma. I just. This last month I probably had 12 people graduate. Do you know every single one of them asked me for my Bible study content? Because no matter what you're if I just declare in the beginning. There's one lecture in the beginning called Spiritual Intelligence where I just help people at least inquire what spiritual or religious messaging they received as a child and where did they maybe fill in gaps or formulate assumptions? Because I'm trying to look at it more from the input perspective. But I very specifically say, hey, I was raised Jewish and in Judaism, believing in Jesus is the same as believing in Santa Claus. And it's not for smart people. So when I had a radical encounter with Jesus when I was 19, I had to deal with the fact that if I disclose this to any of my family, I will no longer be considered a smart person and will be cast out from the family. So I did what any real rebellious teenager would do and got a huge cross tattooed on my leg. Eventually ended up covering it over with another tattoo because my rebellion turned to, oh, shit, what have I done? Um, but I very explicitly say, here's where I was at, here's where I'm at now. I assure you, I will never force this down your throat. I'm not even gonna bring it up again. But I think it's important to know, as your teacher for the next four to six months, who I am and what I believe.

Dylan Gemelli (30:42)

Yeah.

Busygold (30:43)

And I leave it at that. And I think because I leave it at that, eventually when someone spent four to six months with me, they're like, I want what she's having, whatever that is. If she was able to go from people who believe in Jesus are idiots to wildly, radically walking with the Holy Spirit. There's gotta be something more to this, because I don't think they've just spent four months with me, I'm assuming, thinking that I'm fairly smart. And I think there's this understanding, well, if somebody's smart and they were raised to believe this and they chose this on purpose, there must be something here. So while a lot of believers hate and think that I'm wrong for not making break method Christian, I like to call it sneaky Jesus. Right. And I think sneaky Jesus can be a very effective strategy, which. And I'm not saying that I'm, you know, like, out here trying to convert people. I think the truth is the truth. And if you help set somebody free from self deception and you teach them how to think critically and move beyond what the world programmed them to think, they're going to naturally get there on their own. Especially if you help them rewire religious trauma. Because I truly believe one of the most intentional acts of Satan was creating a lot of the modern Christian church. Because more people that believe what they've been led to believe because someone on a pulpit told them to believe, that they've actually turned more people away from the true heart of God. So helping those people kind of restore this relational understanding of God, free of their abandonment or rejection issues, free of, you know, their kind of existential crises that they've been operating in their whole lives, and you teach them a scientific paradigm of real critical thinking, once you give them some of the breadcrumbs, they get there on their own.

Dylan Gemelli (32:28)

Yeah.

Busygold (32:28)

You know, and I do have a ton of teaching, and I do have a ton of teaching on more of my Kind of Christian biblical topics. But I wait until people are ready for those. Those are. Because really what people I think miss is that the deepest, most like, exciting mystery book in the whole world is the Bible.

Dylan Gemelli (32:49)

Yeah.

Busygold (32:50)

But if you've been taught to read it through this very legalistic paradigm, I could understand why you hate it. And it is one of the things I am honestly most grateful for. Because when you're raised in Judaism, I didn't know what I was reading. I was reading every, like, reciting things in Hebrew. I. You knew, like, some general prayers and how they translated to English. But I got to read the Bible Fresh at 19. Like, no, not through anyone else's filter or lens, just fresh, you know.

Dylan Gemelli (33:17)

And I told you this when you were talking to me a little bit. We got into people's perception of the. The verbiage in the Bible and everything. And I didn't tell you this, but I read the entire New Testament, probably five or six months. And I have a really nice. I'm Catholic, and I know that's not for everybody either, but it was the Catholic Study Bible. And so I'd read a verse, and then I'd go down and read the explanation. And I go read and read. There's like the Catechism of the Catholic Church. And you read and you get a better understanding. And the way that it relates to human life. That's what a parable was for us, because they didn't have the ability to actually grasp and understand the real word. Right. So that's why he spoke that way, to make it easier for them to understand. And I wish so much. And that's why when I said arbiter of truth, which clearly you are, it's important to convey those messages to other people, to let them understand that, how this applies to everyday life. That's why that is a handbook of life. Because, yeah, you take things for face value and what it said, but that's not necessarily what it means. There's a lot of verbiage in there that comes across. Well, they said this and this and this. And I'm like, listen, brother, that's not what it means. You know, take some time to understand it. And so what you're doing is helping people overcome one of the greatest. I don't want to call it sins, but one of Satan's biggest powers is controlling our mind.

Busygold (34:37)

Absolutely.

Dylan Gemelli (34:39)

My mom will always tell me, every time I tell her, I'm so stressed or I'm having anxiety that that's. Or I'm telling myself, oh, I look Overweight or this or that. And that's one of Satan's only ways to get to me. And the only way to get to everybody is through mental anguish, health, whatever it is. And so you were called to alleviate that temptation and that power that he holds out for everybody. That's your calling.

Busygold (35:06)

Absolutely. Which in turn helps you reestablish a connection with him.

Dylan Gemelli (35:12)

Yes, that's the whole point.

Busygold (35:13)

And even people that graduate break, that maybe never pursue that ever, their lives look drastically different. And I do believe that at minimum, there's more of an openness to trying to understand something that cannot be explicitly explained by the laws of the natural world, which it's been an issue that I've had. Every time I've had a conversation about Big Pharma science, where we're really going with things, I am most frustrated. I also understand why we haven't done it, but I'm most frustrated that we haven't spent the right research dollars trying to move beyond the laws of natural science. Because there's so many things that could be given really valuable studies and for us to understand more of our spiritual innate technology, and they just don't want us knowing that. And then the whole way that the funnel of big academia is built in accreditation and studies is really to kind of gatekeep people that are outsiders that do want to ask some of these deeper, more profound questions. Which is another reason why I'm just so grateful to God that we actually got our study through, because it was not easy.

Dylan Gemelli (36:24)

Well, you know, God doesn't miss. And the timing's right.

Busygold (36:27)

And the timing. There's so much of that happening in my life right now. Even we were just saying, like, this is the time. There's literally everything, every seed that was sown and watered and nurtured and tended to, they're all literally sprouting in my life literally right now. So literally right this second, it's all happening at the same time. And what's been such an interesting experience is every single time that happens, everyone who is walking in deception, it's like they all try to come for you at the same time. Which now it's. Now I actually kind of smile and laugh about it because that always happens when God is blessing me or my business or the family the most. So I just. This has been the first season in my life where people who have actually, like, intentionally tried to harm me, I just. I keep praying for them. I, like, don't even have any negative thoughts for them. I literally just keep praying for them. So That's a big change for me in my life because before I was not praying for them, if you catch my drift.

Dylan Gemelli (37:26)

Oh, yeah. You know what make, you know what makes you powerful though, right now, is when you know you're equipped.

Busygold (37:33)

Yeah.

Dylan Gemelli (37:33)

Not that you're cocky, not that you're confident, not anything. No, it's none of that. It's called trust and faith. And then you know you're equipped and it doesn't matter because you're well prepared to handle it. One of the things that people don't understand, that they'll ask me, well, what about the people that suffer? Or what about this or that? And I say, nobody wants it. No human wants to suffer. But when you can look at it as a gift that you were given because it's helped to train you to be prepared. Because God doesn't put anything in front of you you can't handle. And once you get it in your head, like I'd say, I went to prison, well, I know I can't get any lower than that. And I came out of it not. Not even bad, but way better. And I wouldn't be sitting here with you right now if I hadn't. And if I looked at it any other way, I wouldn't be sitting here with you. But when you take all of those things and if you can teach people and train them that God gave them that as a resource and as a utility and as a benefit, then you can realize you can overcome anything, mental, physical, whatever.

Busygold (38:32)

Absolutely. And it all starts in the mind. One of the key teachings in Break method is something called the neurocognitive funnel.

Dylan Gemelli (38:41)

Yes.

Busygold (38:41)

Anytime you look out at your world, your brain is looking at the pixels and it's trying to turn them into something. Right. Like chandelier fan, Dylan, if somebody didn't know your name, they'd be like bearded guy. You know, bearded guy with the tats. But our brain is always looking at little things and we're trying to assimilate them into some sort of definition or name. The way that we do this is not only rooted in objective reality. So example would be you and I could go watch the same exact thing and you could leave putting the pixels together that that person was mad, and I could leave putting the pixels together that that person was really confident. What I might see as confidence, you might see as egotistical. Although I probably doubt it. You and I probably would see things pretty much the same.

Dylan Gemelli (39:26)

Right.

Busygold (39:27)

So if we look at it, top of the funnel, right. Is how we are turning individual pixels into constrained definitions of meaning. Happy, sad, mad, kind, rude, wall, ceiling. Our brain is doing this all the time. And the rules that it's using to constrain these pixels into an actual object or a definition are all rooted in what happened to us in early childhood. So what I have found is if you can map the early childhood historical data in aggregate, you can actually predict accurately, 98.3% accurately, how each person is likely to constrain those pixels and make a rule, Even though that rule is not based on objective reality. So that top part of the funnel is our perception of reality, but more importantly, how our perception of reality is rooted in the early childhood formulas that we built. Okay, so now that information's passing through, we've defined it, we've constrained it. Now whatever we've constrained it at is is giving us an emotion. If I thought somebody was confident, I'm now feeling excited that maybe we found somebody we want to hire. If you found that person repulsive and egotistical, you're now feeling disgust. The actual objective record was no different. That person was who they are. But what's now happening in my body and your body, we've now forked away from each other, because how I defined it made me feel excited, and how you defined it made you feel disgust. When you feel disgust, you are going to act out a series of behaviors based on the feeling of disgust and the biochemical chain reaction that's happening in your body. When I feel excitement, my behavior is going to be a direct, downstream byproduct of my excitement. I might call the person, be like, you're so awesome. I might impulsively hire them on the spot, but you're gonna be trying to talk me out of it, right? What are you talking about? We can't hire this person. We can't bring them into our company. So if you look at it that way, our behavior is downstream of our emotional response, that biochemical chain reaction, and our emotional biochemical chain reaction is a direct response to our perception of reality. So why are we out here trying to change people's behavior? At the level of behavior, we have to be able to understand their distorted perception of reality because it is formulaic. Every single person has a very in our work, 9 marker breakdown of this deception pattern. And once you understand it, you can correct everything else. And then you actually get people having increased empathy, better collaboration, understanding when they came out of that meeting, what questions to ask each other so you can get on the same page instead of just let what happened to you as a Child, influence your trajectory because you'll just keep creating the same thing over and over again.

Dylan Gemelli (42:16)

So the break method is really breaking a bad habit, breaking through a misconception or a misguided reality and creating the true reality for somebody. You're just breaking it all down.

Busygold (42:28)

Yeah. Breaking behavior and emotional response at the level of perception and actually more specifically. And this takes it back to biblical paradigm, more specifically at the level of language. When I'm looking and I'm like, fan, chandelier, bearded guy, there's language that goes, do that. Every time I've constrained pixels into something that feels concrete, even though it may not be, I've labeled it somehow with break method, we actually dismantle all the systems of language that our brain generates and we actually learn how to pick them apart and expose the air so we can actually think freely in the present moment, which is why take every thought captive that is real. So break method, in the very real sense, like we are out here doing the exact biblical paradigm of what to do. We're just getting it into the hands and brains of people who would be completely turned off if you said this is from the Bible.

Dylan Gemelli (43:23)

Right. So I mean, essentially this is for everybody because we all have childhood stuff one way or another and it can affect us and we don't even know it. Right. Just.

Busygold (43:36)

And like on the right side spectrum, even if your, your life was perfect in air quotes, that often actually causes worse.

Dylan Gemelli (43:43)

Worse.

Dylan Gemelli (43:43)

Exactly. Yeah. And I always, that's the thing. I always tell people that are parenting too, like you should, you should always be careful being too strict because then you create an adverse and opposite reaction of what you want and you're going to make them actually fight to rebel much harder. Of course you want to set boundaries and you don't want to be their best friend. That's also bad. It's like a happy medium and where you're going. And I'm all, I. I always warn the people that are too strict. Like, you're going to create the, the worst nightmare. You're going to create the polar opposite of what you want.

Busygold (44:15)

Often oppositional defiance.

Dylan Gemelli (44:17)

Yes, exactly. I don't got the good terms, but you know where I'm going.

Busygold (44:20)

Oh yeah, I got.

Dylan Gemelli (44:21)

Yeah, I know.

Dylan Gemelli (44:22)

I love it. I love it so much. You are, you have no idea how deeply fascinated I am with everything that you're talking about and what you've created. I have to learn about this off camera.

Busygold (44:33)

Like, we'll do brain pattern mapping together, then we can keep digging into it. I feel like this is going to bridge a lot of gaps for you, and I think you're going to.

Dylan Gemelli (44:42)

Oh, I know I'm fucked up, but I could use your help for 100%.

Busygold (44:45)

We're all fucked up. I think that's my biggest takeaway from all of this, is that this impacts every single one of us. And no matter how good your life may look, everyone has something to gain by doing break method and understanding how much better it can even be. Because some of us have gotten really good at coping and adapting and making it seem like we have it all together. But there are always ways that you can become even better than that.

Dylan Gemelli (45:18)

You know, it's. It's wild to me too, because this is something I never studied intricately. And all of a sudden, like my new biggest partner. I, I'm not trying to sell anything here whatsoever, so don't take it that way. But I, I went Dr. Dave Rape. And I'm sure you've probably heard of.

Busygold (45:34)

Him, partnership with him too. I will.

Dylan Gemelli (45:35)

Okay, so I'm with.

Busygold (45:37)

He's actually on the show on Monday.

Dylan Gemelli (45:38)

Okay, well, I'm on his advisory board now. Like long term. Like I'm. I'm locked in with him. That's why I'm wearing the Apollo. So everything I was telling you earlier, like, and I was kind of talking about sympathetic, parasympathetic. And that's. I'm learning it from him. Like, we're sitting, like constantly so him. Then I had a long call with Dr. Patrick Porter talking about his brain tap and things about the brain. And now what I'm talking about with you, I'm being. The whole ride home, I'm going to be listening and digging in and I, I'm like being overcome right now because this is what now I understand. I've got to get you people like you in front of people to talk about this to heal their mind so that can ultimately heal their soul. Because if we can't heal their mind and fix it, nothing's going to be fixed. It's just not all the health, all of the other stuff that I've spent so much time on, it. It's secondary to this and it's all important. It all ties together. So don't mix my words anybody. But this is the most important because it plays the most tricks and causes the most problems. Right.

Busygold (46:41)

And on our episode previous to this on Decoded, we were talking about how this sort of distorted perception of reality can impact real physiological symptoms. And I think this is why some people make progress. Maybe they find some Sort of supplementation routine or fasting or something that really works for them. And you can hold that for a while, right? Because you, maybe you've. You've. You've kind of dampened it enough. If you don't address what's going on in here, you'll recreate it again. It'll come in waves. I'm gonna do these things, try to fix it. I'll have four months of temporary relief. But if I haven't stopped the actual thought processes that are pushing my system out of balance, this is gonna come back again.

Dylan Gemelli (47:21)

It's a band aid to a wound. That's all it is. Oh, my goodness. I have another question for you. Cause I know we're winding down too. I. And I. I struggle with this, and I just want you to give me a quick breakdown of the difference between actual mental health problems and just being, like, overly stressed. I feel like people use it as a crutch now, that term mental health, and it's a very serious thing that they shouldn't do that with. How do you know the difference?

Busygold (47:49)

My baseline answer to this is mental illness is not real in the way that we have been led to believe that it's real. There are no, no explicit biochemical markers. There is no test per se that you can do for mental illness. There are some things, like Dr. Amen's different brain imaging that can show different areas that may correlate to certain things. But there is. There is no. 2 + 2 equals 4. What I can tell you is after scanning over 15,000 records over 12 years, I could see a hundred people that are all in the same exact spot on the brain pattern spectrum, five of them could have diagnosed personality disorders. 95 are living totally normal lives. What is the difference, really? If I were. If you were to just do like a clinical breakdown of all their nine markers, almost everything would be exactly the same. In most of those cases, the one distinction would be their communication filter. Who's communicating what and how they're communicating it. Otherwise, every other thing is exactly the same. One person is going volume down, muting it and being like, I should probably not say that, even though they're certainly thinking it. And the other person's like, I need to say everything. And then they're like, wow, that person's lost their. So most people on the brain pattern spectrum, right, we've got five total patterns. So 8 billion people in the world roughly break down to five brain pattern types. So there's five variants of human being on the planet, roughly. There is some Pattern variance within the clusters. But across a x, y axis, equal left and right sides, there are five, there are two to the left, three to the right. On the outsides of both sides of the spectrum, there is a higher concentration of mental illness. Because when you max things out and there's no balance and regulation, of course those things are going to lead to observable traits that could give somebody a mental health label. I did an episode on Decoded about the Rosenhan experiment. Are you familiar with the Rosenhan experiment? I'm not the Rosenhan experiment. And for those of you that want to go back and look at this episode, on my show it's called Being Sane in Insane Places. And it was a science experiment that was conducted by Dr. Rosen, Hahn and a variety of other psychiatrists, doctors, housewives, and they all agreed that they were going to go to a mental hospital and report one singular symptom. I am hearing a voice. Just a singular voice. I'm hearing a voice. They all got put into mental institutions. The average length of stay was 19 days. But some were kept in for months. And the key to the experiment was as soon as they went in, they were to act completely normal. No more, no more faking anything. Now just be totally normal. Be yourself. Every single one of them was kept in for at least 19 days, but again, some up to six months. And what ended up happening was that all normal behaviors after you got that diagnosis were still seen. They still were seen through the lens of schizophrenia. I say this only because a lot of what we deem reputable in the mental health industry is just this. I'm going to observe you. And if I already have some sort of primed experience of who you are, you've already come to me with this label on your chart. I'm now going to see and experience everything through that filter. That doesn't make it objectively true. And what I find soul crushing is how many kids now are getting these labels as children and then they're just becoming self fulfilling prophecies. Everyone that they meet is now looking at them through this label and now they're having these compounding labels and compounding psychiatric interventions. And I've had many of these clients in adulthood that eventually pop out of it with break and they're like, what, for like 25 years? Are you kidding me right now? And of course they're one part mad, one part excited. But the injustice of having to go 20 years being told, this is who you are, you just have bipolar, you will always have bipolar. And then to pop out of it on the other side and be like, I don't. Like, is that, is that even real? It's. It's a tough pill to swallow when you get to the end. And you've done that for 20 years of your life. So in short strokes, I don't believe that mental illness, the way we've been taught to believe that it exists, exists. I think much of it is a process of observation on behalf of the clinician and their own patterns of self deception. Right. They can't, they can't get past those things. Which, by the way, that is why I built break method. That is, Break method is a. Technology is built to prevent the clinician's self deception from influencing the client trajectory and also to prevent the client's self deception from influencing their own healing trajectory. So now we're only using data. We're only able to look at the objective record without the influence of anything else. When you do this, you're able to treat most cases. Again, going back to the study that I can now reference, praise the Lord, 86% of clients that came in with O, C, D or suicidal ideation symptoms completely resolved in four months. If you look at it from a traditional mental health perspective, that shouldn't really be possible, but it is possible if you don't get so distracted by the labels and the medication and you actually start to understand how is the way that this person is fundamentally seeing the world responsible for all these other downstream behaviors? Because you can't tell somebody who's a heroin addict. Just don't buy heroin, because in one state of mind, they don't want to buy hair.

Dylan Gemelli (53:40)

No.

Busygold (53:40)

And then something changes, and now they're buying heroin, and then they're in another state of mind, and now they're ashamed that they've done heroin. All of these are a downstream byproduct of their perception of reality and how they see themselves in the world, how they see. See the world itself. If you keep trying to address addiction at the level of addiction by just being like, don't use, stay abstinent. Like, no wonder the relapse rate's like 85% or something absurd. I don't think mental illness exists in the way that we've been led to believe that it does. And I think that far more people could completely radically turn their lives around if they had access to work like break method.

Dylan Gemelli (54:20)

You know what I love about these, but I hate about these is when you. Do you see how quick the time goes? Because I'm telling you, I. I knew When I came here, it was going to be really good. Like I had no doubt or I wouldn't have come because I don't have the time and nor the patience for stuff like that. But this, when I say it, over exceeded expectations. I'm leaving here with a thousand thoughts I'm gonna have to talk to you about with off. But I do certainly believe we'll do several of these and I want to. I will talk to you off camera about other work that I have in mind because there's too much here and synergistically wise and what I just already feel compelled with now after what we've talked about that I did not expect. You are brilliant, amazing, and I already knew all of this, but I want to accentuate that on camera that you are literally one of my new favorite people in the world. And I mean that I'm not just saying that because I'm here. I don't have to say that shit. I mean it's um. I want the world to see what you do, who you are and what you have to say. So tell them you know, where to find you and how to contact you and everything.

Busygold (55:26)

Thank you so much. I can feel the, the genuine feeling oozing off of you. I appreciate it. Best way to look up things regarding Break method would be breakmethod.

Dylan Gemelli (55:37)

Com.

Busygold (55:38)

I always suggest starting with brain pattern mapping. It takes 20 minutes to do at home. On your end, you can do it entirely online. Then it will prompt you to book a session to meet with somebody on our behavior strategy team and they'll help you understand the diagnostic. Reading that session takes about 45 minutes, so that's always the best place to start. Break method as a whole takes about four to six months, depending on how focused you are and trying to get through it. And I also work with private clients. All of that can be found on breakmethod.com and then I, like you, try to stay pretty active. On my own social media, I don't delegate that to somebody else. So, you know, I try to answer my DMs myself. That doesn't a hundred percent work out a hundred percent of the time. But if you ever don't get a response, it's not that I'm willfully ignoring you. So don't worry, you can badger me, try again. So Instagram for me is at busygold B I Z Z I E G O L D and I try to be active on there and definitely check out my podcast. Dylan's episode will be kind of. We'll try to get them out around the same time so you guys can bounce back and forth.

Dylan Gemelli (56:39)

Yeah. Well, it's been an honor and a pleasure coming here. I'm going to have to bring my wife back because she wants to come. And after I tell her about this encounter, I guarantee you. Yeah, yeah. It's the setting, everything. But I literally cannot thank you enough. It's been a pleasure to the highest extent that I could ever tell you. And I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I really, really do. And I know I came here for a reason, like I said. So thank you for your time and for inviting me in here and the conversation.

Busygold (57:10)

Thank you so much. Bye. All right.

Dylan Gemelli (57:12)

All right, everybody. That wraps up another one. Stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gelli and busygold signing off. It.