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Episode #89 Featuring Liver and Health Expert, SIGGI CLAVIEN!! The LIVER Episode! An encyclopedia and masterclass on EVERYTHING you need to know about your liver!
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Pleasure to be here. Very nice to see you again.
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You too, man. I am so happy that you're here and that we live in the same area and that we get to hang out here a little bit and talk. And thanks for making time to come and see me today, brother. I appreciate it.
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Yeah, of course. Happy to be here.
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So I'm going to quiz you today on every aspect of the liver. Like I said, I want to talk to you a little bit, though, about the liver first. In general, why did you specifically pick that to be your area of expertise? And then we're going to get into, like, the key functions and facts about the liver, especially things that people might not be aware of.
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I didn't pick the liver so much as I think it picked me or life put me in that direction. So my family in Switzerland were winemakers. So we come from a family of, you know, basically farmers. We grow grapes and viticulture and with that and then you make wine and very much associated around food and. And that as well, and kind of living up in the mountains, Switzerland. And I was one of the best universities in the world for studying viticulture is in California University, California, Davis. So I had been sent there to learn the wine business and very much digit, because I didn't realize this until recently, but taking care of vineyards is very much kind of like taking care of patients, which you do now is, you know, they can live to be 60, 70 years old, they get sick, they have to be taken care of, and they need nutrition and they need love, and there's stress and it's, you know, you. You have to really, like, care for them, to be like a great, great vintner. That's the growing of the. Of the vines. And my best friend had passed away from a drug interaction. And so I, you know, took a step back and really, you know, kind of went through an epiphany experience and was, you know, studied a lot of spirituality and what I wanted to do. And I said, well, why don't I use my knowledge of chemistry and of. Of kind of biotech, you know, making wines, biotechnology into creating supplements and phytomedicines to maybe prevent that and getting more into preventing that, overdoses, but also that kind of morphed into dealing with addiction. And addiction is very, very complex because. And to be headed, you know, I develop supplements and regimes to remove the physical side for the addiction. But addiction is actually much more complex. The easiest part to deal is the physical addiction. It's the, it's, you know, the psychological and the spiritual and the emotional side of it. And, and I was doing that. And I very much specialized in Western medicine, kind of traditional supplements, you know, using vitamins and minerals and enzymes. And very much coming from a mindset of reactive medicine, which is, you know, really western medicine is changing, but it was based off, you know, wait till you have a problem and then fix it.
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Right.
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And then my mentor that helped me start my first company, I was about 20 years old, he really got me going into the supplement world and just kind of backed me, didn't take anything for himself, just really saw something in me and wanted to help. And he had actually eventually died of liver cancer and my godfather died of cirrhosis. So I've now lost essentially three of the closest male people in my family, you know, except for my father, due to liver liver deaths. Basically. One was, you know, cancer, one was cirrhosis and one was drug interaction. And that really pushed me into that direction. So that now I've been pushed into, okay, let me really actually study the liver. And I didn't know that much about the liver. I mean, I was a enamored detoxification expert, but he didn't really appreciate the liver for what it is. And I was looking at it singularly and not looking at the holistic aspect or the, the 30,000 foot macro aspect of how the liver is so intertwined with everything. So in about 2003 through now, I've just focused, hyper focused on the liver. And the more and more I got into liver health and then liver medicine and then Eastern medicine and then realizing that there they put the liver on a, on a very important position as the general of the body and how key it is to everything else. And I started working with traditional Eastern medicine where I combined my western medical knowledge with Eastern medicine and Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine. And that morphed and took me more into the liver space. And more and more I got into it, the more and more complex it was and the more exciting it was and the more that God pushed me into. There's a need to be able to help people and to let them know about the liver and make the liver famous. Because most people don't know where it is or what it does, or they just think it's for detox. And we're about 25 years behind in major research than other organs. So not only has science kind of not paid as much attention to the liver as they should, but people don't as well, they don't really think about deliver until it's too late. By the time it's too late you've got much bigger problem. So that pushed me into developing phyto medicines combining eastern medicine and western medical technology to create the medicines. And then that pushed me into diagnostics and then I had to get, we had to realize that there's a huge problem, you know, 40, when I started this, it was 18% of the US had fatty liver disease. Yeah. It's now 40% and it's projected to be 50 by 2030. So it's accelerating. Their liver disease is up 400% and it's, it's, it's getting away from us. Everything else we're pushing down.
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Right.
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So it's, it's fascinating. And right now, you know, I love what I do. You know, we do education, we do lectures, we do, we have clinics, we do scanning, we have solutions, we referrals, I mean crazy stuff like even now. And to get to the knowledge that I had to do was hepatologists didn't have it. Right. They're very close minded in one aspect of the liver. Right. But we had to, I had to work with like the formula took 18 years but I had to work with an endocrinologist and gastrointestinal specialists, brain doctors, neuroscientists, herbalists, Chinese medicine doctors, hepatologists, functional medicine. So I'm an amalgamation of all these different doctors and experts that are on my team and that I've collaborated with and worked with to create the solutions that we, we now have. So I never had any intention of going into liver health and I was, you know, life took me there and God took me there to do that. So very happy. Like we, we help people every day and most importantly now we're obsessed with preventing people from getting. So it's, it's incredibly rewarding. And every day I learned something about the liver. Even, even last night after having this awesome chat with one of the top neurosurgeons, neuro surgeons in the valley, one of the best in the country. We were talking about Alzheimer's and he's very much, his wife's a nutritionist and they're. Even though he's a surgeon, he's very much obsessed with the metabolic causes of it.
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Yeah.
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And then we started talking and I went deep, dove into some research and the link between, because we got an Alzheimer's discussion. The link between liver disease and Alzheimer's is huge. It's there, it's proven, it's like, and I didn't know that, I mean I knew all the other things about the liver, but I didn't re. I know the brain, liver axis was so, so dynamic and so incredible and they're so interconnected and bi directional. But I had no idea the Alzheimer's link until today.
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Michael Jordan didn't stop shooting jump shots, right? He's the best because he practiced all the time. There's probably things you could learn every single day.
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Oh yeah.
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And that's the key to it. So I love hearing that. Let me ask you this. On the important scale. I know every organ is important because they wouldn't be there if they weren't important. But you know, most people tend to focus, and I think rightfully so, on the heart and the brain. But just how vital and important is the liver to our just overall consumption of who we are?
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The liver has thousands of functions, 500 which are vital. So your skin, your hair, the brain acts as energy source. I mean your, your furnace for your energy is also your liver. It's like another function it does, right? So if, you know, if you and I get up and go play basketball or walk around, the energy that we're using is the liver burning it. But the liver is also controlling and masterminding and organizing all of your nutrients and all of your vitamins and all the protein that we do. So it's, it's definitely a master organ. And the reason it's called the General is because it controls all the other troops and it controls all these other organs. So it's, it's, it's signaling to each of them, communicating with them, and it's cleaning the blood and it's a gland. So it's creating hormones which is, it's both functions and women's hormones, longevity. I mean it is, it is key and it's, it's so complex that we cannot replicate it with technology. We can do it. We can do a heart, we can do kidneys, we can do lungs. But the liver, its regenerative ability is so incredible. And the amount of stem cells and how it's constantly, constantly growing, technology can't even come close to replicating it. So that's because you can't, you know, you'd have to have like, it's also like a computer because it's also making decisions and it, it's, it's intuitively intelligent and it's, you know, it's talking to the brain all the time and they talk that, you know, the brain and the liver, not only are they intrinsically linked, but they speak to each other via Hormones and through the vagus nerve and, you know, through signaling and neurotransmission. So it's very much. It's chatting all the time with all the other organs. So it's. You can. And it can. You can absolutely smash it and mess it up and abuse it and take. 90% of it could be damaged and it'll come back. No organ in the human body fully regenerates.
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So it's like wolverine.
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It's like wolverine. Fully regenerates, comes back. Even skin, though, it regenerates. It's scarred. You can tell it never the same. Liver just comes back, is constantly, constantly, constantly regenerating.
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Well, and things have to be made to pass through the liver, right? So a lot of supplements, a lot of steroids, a lot of things like that. They. They're made to pass through the liver.
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Why?
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Why is that? Because the liver's in control and it's making sure what goes through is good. Is that what it is or explain it?
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So everything. So we eat something, right? Goes into the. The. The stomach. Stomach breaks it down, you know, kind of liquefies it. Small intestine starts pulling stuff out and it's all. And then it goes into your blood. And then your blood is running into the liver, and the liver's then, okay, organizing it. So, okay, vitamin A, we'll put it here. Vitamin D, we'll put it here. This is a toxin. We'll get rid of it. This is an unknown threat. We'll create an enzyme to break it down. This is a different kind of enzyme. We'll create a different enzyme to break that down. Or it could be a. Could be if you had a soy allergy. And then it's also the red blood cells and it's helping rework you with your kidneys to clean the blood. So as it breaks things down or metabolizes things, the byproducts of those have. Have effects, negative or positive, but it has to deconstruct, organize, manage, and then distribute as needed throughout the body what that is. And so if you want it. Most drugs are metabolized by the liver. Most things are, but especially the liver has to go through that and break it down. And if the liver sees it as too much of a threat, it'll just get rid of it. It'll. Or it'll break it down a bit if it's. It'll pull out the good bits as well.
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So when things are altered, just get through and bypass the liver. Is that trying to trick it? Basically, yeah.
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You're trying to trick it or mask it. It's. It's like a thing with detoxification is. And I, you know, large part of my career creating detoxification products and we would try to trick the liver or invigorate the liver or try to tell the liver to go into detox. Detox is like a three part process and it's, it's rather complex. And that was what I could call like a yin or an active approach to it. Used to practice that. Now I don't. We actually do what's more of a yang or passive which is the liver is going to make better decisions on detoxification than we could ever could. So now it's like let's. We looked at it from the completely different paradigm which is how do we give the liver everything it needs and the support it needs to do detoxification is it sees fit and to then give the liver, you know, more oxygen and more, more fluid and make sure it's softer and squishier and and boost to help the kidneys and help to. We're doing everything we do now is to help the liver do its thing. So yeah, that, that's how. And a lot of drugs do that and a lot of how the western drug system works now partially is because of pharmaceutical industry but also is they want to know what one mechanism of action and the one mechanism action and that's why for like our products or formulas there's multiple ones. So it's, it's not that simple to do it. So some drugs while they're. They're tricking or triggering or saying to do one thing, they're not spending enough time looking at what other effects is this causing downstream. How is it affecting that? That's what side effects are. Kind of like with the mnra, you know, gene therapy is that you lose control of it and it's growing around and it's tricking the body to do something that. And there's no off switch.
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Right.
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That's where he blood clots. And so the further you get away from nature and from the natural body, the more problems you can run into because you're.
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Because it's not what God intended.
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It's not what God intended. It's not, you know, it's, it's. You're. You're playing with things, you know, to a degree. Obviously certain medicines are incredible. Like certain antibiotics and c. Certain real vaccines like smallpox and stuff have been, you know, game changing and drugs do have a place but overuse of them and causes liver damage and cause Other problems and weird side effects. And you know, people are getting arthritis from this or that too. So it's one of my heroes is Benjamin Franklin and he always said you never learn anything with your mouth open. So listen.
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True, yeah, that's a good point.
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You gotta listen to the body. And that's how we, that's how we formulate now and we try preventative medicine and root cause of listening.
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Let me ask you this, this seems to me that a lot of things have a side effect that cyst can cause liver problems. There's a lot of drugs, a lot of things that it seems to be very transient to causing liver problems. Is there something that is specifically done within these drugs or within a lot of these things that consistently points to causing potential liver damage?
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Well, because a lot of the drugs are chemicals and those chemicals can cause damage, they can cause stiffness, they can affect other organs. That's why liver disease is up 400%. You know, it's the reason it's up 400 in 50 years and it's accelerating is because of the mass introduction of, of processed foods, synthetic foods, you know, fake chemicals in the food, preservatives and pharmaceuticals. Still to this day, the number one cause of liver failure and liver damage is, I don't know, you know, paracetamols where we call it in England, but, or instead of methamphetamin is the term for it. And it actually dissolves liver tissue. So at small doses it can help with a headache. But too much of it or using it too often or mixing it with alcohol or mixing with another chemical. Right. Can cause severe liver damage. Actually dissolves the liver tissue. Wow. And you know, because you want to avoid cause scarring whilst the liver does repair, it's very difficult to get rid of fibrosis. You know, that's, you kind of get these like channels of these like veins look like, like roots really. And that's that scar tissue. And when those connect is when you start to get cirrhosis and then you've trapped all this lovely healthy tissue and you've, it can't regenerate because it's been deprived of oxygen and energy and blood and it then dies and you get these spots. Mm. Um, but it's, yeah, it's the, it's, that's what it's driving. I mean also herbicides, pesticides, insecticides, those are all those things. You know, you, you, you can't introduce a hundred thousand, one hundred fifty thousand synthetic man made materials into the human biome, into the body in 100 years. We haven't evolved to even do it. You know, it took us thousands of years just to evolve. To eat like grains.
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Yeah.
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You know, or to eat, to do a sugar, you know, a lot. That's why a lot of cultures that didn't have sugar, like Native Americans, Aborigines, Polynesians, they'd never had sugar. So they never developed the liver, hadn't evolved to break it down. So they get diabetes really quick.
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Okay.
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That's why. Because they have a evolve that, you know, just like, you know, Europeans evolved against like measles, a lot of diseases, but when they came to North America, the, the indigenous population hadn't. So evolution in the body's catching up. It's trying to.
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Right.
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But too much too quick.
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People that aren't seeing video right now because I, I had a big scowl when you brought up Tylenol and what it does. Because some of the most brilliant people that I know, you being one of them now, have consistently brought up that no one should ever touch or go near Tylenol. And that's one of those things that like, people get so angry about and up. And it's like, dude, we don't have a problem. This isn't a bash on Tylenol. It's a simple fact. I would like it if you could go into a little bit more detail about that just to get a nice. Because you're one of those people that just gives it like it is. You don't have.
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You don't pick sides. You just, you just.
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And that's what I love about you. And that's why I want to get you a little bit more insight from you on it. Because I just want simple truths. I don't give a what side anybody's on. I just want to know the fact of the fact of the fact that. Could you break down exactly in good detail, which I'm sure you have, just what it is about Tylenol in general that people need to be at least aware of the damages that it can do and why.
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Yeah, you start with the headache. So first thing with a headache and is your body talking to you. And there's a reason usually behind it. It could be inflammation, it could be toxicity. Most of the time it's dehydration. So I tell people, first thing is drink some water.
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Okay.
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A lot of times it's your brain. I mean, brain's 70 plus percent water. And if you dehydrated, your brain will start giving you a headache and says, listen, you know, we're getting we need some more. Some more water. So that's one. If you do need something, I always say ibuprofen, it's tough in the kidney, but you. You know, you bounce back from it. That's what I'll take an Advil, or. I try not to, but if I need something, you know, pain. Pain sucks. So I'll take that. Tylenol. Specifically, the chemical compounds that are in it, like acetaminophen, it actually dissolves liver tissue. So what's happening is when you're taking it and then you're metabolizing it, the chemicals that are actually causing. So it's like, causing damage, and then the liver is trying to repair, and then it's causing damage. And then if you take too much of it, the. The damage overwhelms the ability to repair. And then you can magnify that when you drink alcohol, right? So it's like you think, okay, so, you know, let's just say kind of deke out. But let's say like a sword causes two points of damage, or so Tylenol causes two points of damage. Alcohol causes three points of damage if you take both. Oh, so it's five points. No, it's 20.
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Wow.
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Cause it comp. It quantifies.
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Okay.
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So you kind of like, it's now multiplying, and then that's causing even more damage, and then that's affecting things like, then it's getting inflamed and it's causing inflammation, and it's also confounding, basically, the liver's ability to do its job. Then other toxins are affecting it as well. And then if your liver's out of whack, its ability to get rid of other toxins, so that can also cause more. So you start to get into this, like, vicious cycle of damage. And I was with the really interesting lady. She was. She used to be charged of poison control for the Western U.S. she's based in Denver in the Rockies. And we were talking about liver health something, and she was saying that the biggest overdoses they get around Christmas are actually teenagers that have overdosed on Tylenol. Cause a lot of times they're like. There's not. That's probably the easiest access to, like, a drug, and they'll take too much. And what happens there is they get severe liver damage, liver failure. And there's a lot of times there'll be liver. You might have to do a liver transplant because you've destroyed so much of the liver that now it's like, okay, we're gonna have to put you on the transplant list because it's dissolving liver tissue. It's the simplest way for people to just imagine it. You know, the chemicals in it kind of dissolves. It dissolves liver tissue. So it's like a late way to explain it would be kind of like, it's like acid, you know, eating this couch, right. If you put something on it and eat it away and that's what it's doing to the liver. It's interesting about Tylenol. We work a lot with Maha and Bobby Kennedy and yeah, some cool, really cool initiatives. And they had come out and discussed, you know, that there might be a link with Alzheimer's and Tylenol. Tylenol and like the Amish community has like very low or almost unheard of Alzheimer's and they don't take a Tylenol. So there's, there's some interesting canaries in the coal mine that you can look at. I remember thinking, this is a worry that we have to have with AI and especially with chat DPTs and stuff like that. AI is incredibly useful for diagnostics and all kinds of things, but it's also very manipulative as well. And if it's an open, open AI, it could be very much done. And so a lot of people now are. It used to be the Oracle was what used to obviously God or to yourself and which we should do. People start going to search engines and they get the answer and then that, because of, of how much that's controlled now by advertising and money and stuff like that, that's manipulated by, by money as well. And now people went to AI and they think, well, chat GPT said that or the AI said this. So they're starting that's like this new false like Oracle. And an example was, I remember because, you know, when you do a search now, it'll pop up.
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Yeah.
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And it was Tylenol because liver damage should always talk about, you know, Tylenol and, and you know, paracetamol if you're in England. And those results would come up. And we watched this actually real time. So that news broke about the link between Tylenol, Alzheimer's and the drug companies were like, you know, ship, let's let. We need to put a stop on this in the morning. If you would have done a search, it would have really discussed about all the damage and stuff the title does by that evening Chat GPT was telling you, oh no, no, no, there's no link to Alzheimer's, there's no link to this, that. And that's very simple because the end of the day, AI just takes what you give it and then it regurgitates it out the other side. Yeah, this too. So all you need to do and all they did is they just pump, you know, tens and tens of millions of dollars into. Into data and there you flood chat GPT. Yeah. With that. So it's now spitting out the answer. So it's very easy to manipulate it.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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If you've got big money. Yeah. And it was. I remember seeing. I was like, wow. So you obviously can't. We can't trust this anymore because we just watched it from the morning to the evening. The entire narrative on Tylenol was changed as a reaction to what Bobby Kennedy had brought up about the paternal link as well. So it's. It's funny because if you search it now, it's way less nefarious than it was when it was open, real open source. Now it's being manipulated, the data. But it's still. I mean, you ask anybody, you ask any hepatologist or any doctor, and you deep dive on it. It's still number one causes of liver damage, more than alcohol, more than anything. And, you know, there's so many other alternatives if you've got pain. Yeah. It's just not a. It's not a good thing to do. It's like another one is Xanax. Actually, Xanax takes about seven years to get outta your liver.
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Really.
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So pharmacological perspective, any good pharmacist will tell you it's a very dirty drug. So, like, if, if you really need like a chill pill, like there's Valium and there's Larazepam, there's other things you can take, but Xanax specifically, that chemical that's in there sits in the liver.
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Wow.
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And you actually get. You'll have overdoses to. Where I think this is what happened to Heath Ledger is he used to abuse Xanax and he had stopped taking Xanax. And a couple years later he had taken another. Like he was sober for a long time. And he took another drug, but that drug mixed with the. With the Xanax that was still in his liver and that's what gave him. Killed him and that. You see that a lot, actually. So some of those drugs that sit there. Because most drugs get outta your system in like 72 hours. Yeah, yeah. Cause they're bad. Your body gets rid of them. Yeah. But some of them kind of. They burrow in and they Sit there. And that's why Xanax is super dirty. I always say, once again, you know, for whatever reason, if you. You prescribed, you need like a chill pill and you. You're forced to do that. Take at least take something cleaner. Yeah. Like if a headache, if you really need a headache, take in, you know, take an Advil or an ibuprofen. Yeah. Drink some water.
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You know, I did not know that about the Xanax. Wow.
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Yeah, so that's a really dirty, like, pharmaceutically, it's very, very dirty as well.
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I've always had those on hand for panic attacks, and I've used like one a year for the past, I don't know, few years. But I try to never touch them.
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And. Yeah, but volume's not. It's volumes in and out. Wow. Yeah.
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Same effect.
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Really?
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Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Okay. That's another fun to do, you know.
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Enough to pass your judgment on whether to take it or not to take it. But if you need to take a pill to chill out.
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Yeah.
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Anxiety sucks too, right? Yeah.
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Like, yeah.
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If I had a massive anxiety did it, I'd take a volume, you know, that's going to cause distress, will cause you more damage. The volume will.
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I used to get the panic attacks.
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Yeah.
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Most of it, I think, was from too much smoking pot, but I stopped smoking pot and they kind of stopped.
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Yeah.
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You know, but that's kind of different story.
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Certain parts will do that, like sativas and stuff too, because of the neurological effect. That's why if you've got certain psychosis. Yeah. It could be actually very bad because it can exasperate or accelerate those psychosis issues or anxiety issues. That's why the form is like an edible, because it's more of a body high. That's where for cancer patients it's better because it's just you're not getting the mental effect. Oh, yeah, Yeah. I think I used to get actually probably, you know, certain. Especially this, the. The marijuana that's around today because it's so hybrid. It's a different level than like when I was a kid, you know, you spoke to joint, you chilled out, listen to reggae music and. Yeah. Giggled. Right.
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The brick weed.
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Yeah.
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It's just very simple. I mean, now there's so much going on, you don't even know what you're actually even smoking.
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Oh, my go. Then you got the chemicals because it's in the, the. In the vapes and stuff.
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Oh, yeah.
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Kind of like the old school, just to, you know, work a joint.
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When I was 11 and I stopped. I gave it up for Lent. Have to ask my wife. I think it's been over two years. So I was going on 30 some years and I just, I. I gave it up for Lent because I was, you know, Lent. You're supposed to be giving up something that draws you away from God. Right. And I thought, man, maybe this is. And I noticed that I was starting to struggle with the panic attacks once I switched to vaping from actually smoking flower. And that's when it kind of started. And it was. I've always been under the impression of, oh, I think clear. I. I'm more enthralled into what I'm doing. I kind of convinced myself, you know, cause I like to smoke fun. But, you know, once I stopped, I honestly, I have felt so much more clear and the far less frequencies of anxiety and panic. But I think part of that was due to the vaping, to be honest with you. That was supposed to be so much cleaner and I think it was making things worse. But I want to touch on some of the relations of diet with liver in general. So one, are there any foods or types of diets that you recommend are good for the liver? And two, are there foods that could be potentially doing harm there that, like, we know the processed stuff and the, the seed oils and things are obviously not good for multitudes of reasons. But are there others that we may not be aware of that could be causing harm?
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I've been seeing this in thousands, thousands of people we scan was actually diet sodas. Oh, I believe it. Everybody's running around drinking diet soda thinking they're doing a good thing because they were, you know, they were programmed and.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I'm, you know, it's almost like a virtue signaling. I drink diet soda. But those chemicals we started seeing, like, why is it. Why are these teenagers having fatty liver disease? And they're like, diet soda, diet soda, Red Bull. Okay, okay. And then the parents don't. But they're older and they drink alcohol and eat meat and. But it's a diet, so. And so basically, you know, the liver, as it says, intelligent, it understands sugar, it understands fat, understands alcohol.
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Yeah.
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But it doesn't understand all these chemicals. And those chemicals are overwhelming the liver. And the liver is now seeing that as a bigger threat. So I was always saying you have a higher chance of getting diabetes and a higher chance of fatty liver disease if you drink diet soda. And everybody thought it was crazy. It was like, yeah, but you're not taking as much sugar in. That's how does that make sense? Like, how are you going to be pre diabetic if you're not really drinking any sugar? You always get a little bit of sugar. But what's happening is these chemicals are overwhelming the liver's ability. And the liver is prioritizing this threat versus the sugar and stuff it understands, so it lets that go through. So, yes, the gross intake of sugar is so much less, but the sugar that is going in is being stored, and you're like short circuiting your liver's ability to break these down. And then this big study came out. I think it was Harvard. Dr. Garrison to me, and I got a copy of my phone. You have a 38% higher chance of type 2 diabetes as a diet soda drinker than a regular soda. So the science is now caught up with these. These things that we were. We were suspecting.
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Right.
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So that's something I think that people don't realize. And a lot of people, you know, I mean, even in this country, like even a petite Peter Atia was saying when he went to Stanford Medical School, how many days he spent on nutrition zero. So doctors don't know that much about nutrition.
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Sad.
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And how good food is.
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Yeah.
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So the public knows even less. So the public's thinking, you know, you're busy with their lives, and they're like, okay, light this should be healthy for me. Or diet this. Or fat free. It's chemicals. So anything that has chemicals in it or that has those, you know, as I say, that. Chemical shitstorm. Yeah. That's what you need to think of if you see diet light or fat free, that is the. A lot of people don't understand that you'd be much better off eating butter and some beef and a glass of wine to drink a diet soda and eating like a light meal. Like, literally from a. From a liver damage perspective.
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Totally.
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But things that are really good for the liver. So, you know, deep greens, beets are really good for the liver. Water's very good. Coffee's very good for the liver.
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Wheat.
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Yeah, coffee's fantastic for the liver. It was. I had a good chat with Dave Asprey and obviously he's, you know, changed the whole coffee game. And we were talking about coffee and I went. Did some deep research on it. And yeah, you have about 40 to 60% less chance of liver cancer if you're a heavy coffee drinker.
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Sweet.
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And we just have to be careful what you put in the coffee. That's where you could run a foul.
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Yeah.
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Because it's like, what type of Milk. Yeah. So just. Nice. And it's interesting because I used to put a lot of honey or sugar in my coffee years ago, and obviously stopped doing sugar, you know, because then I would. Okay. White sugar's, like, evil.
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Yeah.
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So raw sugar is better alternative. And there's like, okay. Honey, which is good for you. Yeah. But you're. It's interesting how your brain gets programmed to, like, sweet, so you kind of have to come off of, like, almost like having an addiction. Like a sweet addiction.
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Yeah.
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And your taste buds change because if you've been drinking sweet coffee the whole time, and then you go and have a regular coffee, like, ew. All right. So you gotta. You're like. This tastes like.
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Try protein powder in there, man. Yeah, I do protein powder and a little bit of. It's SCT oil. I don't do mct. Yeah. So SCT oil. That's what I put in mine. And it is just like, oh, my gosh. It's glorious.
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It's the next level above it.
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Glorious.
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And the boys taught me about that. Yes. Yeah. Random.
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That's where I got it from. I. I have it three times a day.
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Yeah.
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It is like, one of my key.
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B
You put butter in it too, or just. No, just the sct.
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And I put some. I go in and I hate to say formula. I pick my own protein powder, so I design my own blend. Right. So I. Because I'm a big animal protein.
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Yeah.
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And I do the beef protein isolate with a little bit of collagen, and it's a chocolate brownie, natural flavored, man. That is all I put in there together.
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B
Really.
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Oh, my gosh, brother.
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It is like, you got to give me that recipe.
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I'll give it to you for sure.
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I learned that about oils. I mean, I knew about them, but really learn about. On the Voice. Glorious on that as well. But the coffee is very good. Is very good. Water is obviously killer.
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Yeah.
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And then it's. More importantly is. Is we can't run around being terrified of toxins. Right. Because they're all around us, and we're getting them in always is reducing the toxins. So, you know, washing your vegetables. Right. Getting the pesticides off, rinsing your fruit, doing things like that, clean water, you know, that's some of the ways that we can start to reduce the toxicity. Because your body can get by with. With and make do in certain areas. Fasting's very obviously good for the liver, but, you know, liver is actually really good.
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I was gonna go there.
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Liver is fantastic.
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I wanted to I was gonna bring that up next about what is it that eating liver is? Why is that so good for us? And what kind of effect does it have on the actual liver?
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Well, it's so, so high in. In things. Iron and minerals, vitamins, and it's so densely packed with those. That's why in nature, a lot of animals, so the first organ they'll eat is the liver. And if they're well fed, they'll just eat the liver and they'll leave the rest because it's so dense and it's so good for you. And iron's good for you too. Especially people that are anemic or they may be low on iron or they're not. You know, maybe they're. They're not metabolizing or they're not absorbing a lot of supplements. Liver's really the way to go. Like my little, my little boy or my wife had a little boy. He doesn't like meat. I don't think it's meat. He's just texture. He's real funny. He's certain things he likes. But we can get him to eat Bolognese.
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Really?
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Yeah. Because it's not necessarily the meat thing. I think it's a texture thing, color thing. Kids are fickle.
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I was the same way.
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Yeah. So we'll put. We'll actually get ground meat with some liver ground in it. Like organ meat because it's so high.
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Okay.
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Or in smoothies, especially if you do like a berry smoothie where you can hide it is you. You could take the beef liver capsules and just empty them out.
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Yes.
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And you're just. That's how we get our little boy. A lot of like those essential minerals and proteins and irons is through Liverpools. Yeah.
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A
That's amazing.
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So that's a good little. Good little hack.
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I. I have the force of nature. Ancestral meats is what I. So I always get the, the liver and heart in there. It is so damn good.
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Yeah.
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I literally do that five days a week, man. I did the no fat thing and I'm a nutritionist, but I had an eating disorder and I was terrified of fats till about a year and a half ago. Like right before I met you, I started changing my diet. And I'm telling you, man, that the higher fat diets, I will argue the low fat diets, what gave me some of the heart ailments that I had and a lot of the problems that I was having that are like night and day different now that that is in low fat foods. I want you to talk about that. What do they put in fat free and low fat foods to make them low fat? And they strip all nutrients out by doing that.
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Yeah, they strip them out. And then you've got certain preservatives and then binders and then you've got gums.
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Yeah.
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Right. To bring it together and preservers. Every think about it, you're putting a man made chemical into an organic material to prevent it from spoiling, which is a natural thing. And that has the same effect when it's in your organs. Right. It's, it's, it'll. It'll gum up and stall and forebode the process of your body doing its natural functionality. So you've got those, then you've got obviously the pesticides in those. And some of these are chemicals so the liver doesn't understand them as well. And then you've got, and then they've taken out other. Because you need other things to counteract things. It's like juice. If it's got pulp in it, the pulp produces the, the enzyme to break the sugar down so you don't get the glycemic index spikes and everything. You do. But if you take a juice and you have no pulp in it, you've taken out the good bit and left basically the like diabetes. Bet I didn't know that you need the pulps is part of that equation. That's why if you eat fruit you don't have that problem because you're getting all the pulp.
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See, I like the juice with the pulp better than anything. I always want heavy pulp.
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Yeah. And molecularly the sugar molecule and alcohol molecule are almost identical and they cause about the same damage.
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Right.
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So I was with this top hepatologist in, in London. We're having lunch and this little kid cruised by and had like a juice box. And hepatologist. You see that juice box right there? And I see a kid, he said, yeah. He said, would you let that kid have a beer? I go, of course not. You know, it's ridiculous question. And he says, well, that juice box is causing as much damage. He's just not getting drunk. But because it's filled with high fructose corn syrup.
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Yeah.
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And preservatives and enum e colors which are fake food colorings as well. That'll cause maybe even more damage. So I remember that I was really kind of like. It kind of blew me away. I never thought about it that way. Because you don't, you don't think about it.
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You wouldn't.
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No. Matter what you buy, always turn the box around and look at it too. One of the ways that they hide artificial things is sometimes natural flavorings.
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I hate that.
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And sometimes they're real. You got to look at who the company is. My wife's nutritionist, she's on it. Oh, natural flavors, like, but sometimes they are natural flavorings. So we will research the company. It's okay. They are. But that's a mask that they. They hide it in, and then they strip things out. And, you know, they. I mean, here's a great example. So you look at the tobacco industry, and the tobacco industry was obviously under a lot of fire, and they were going through all the stuff they were going through, and they couldn't put more. They weren't allowed to put more nicotine in the cigarettes. It was like, oh, we can't put more nicotine. How do we make them more addictive? Put a chemical in the cigarette that opens up your receptors to where more nicotine gets into the blood. So you're altering your basically blood chemistry in order for more nicotine to get into the body to crave it more. They made a great movie about it, actually, with Russell Crowe and Al Pacino and about how this huge expose. And he was like the most complex scientist, molecular level you could think of, and that's what they did. Well, if we can't put more nicotine in it, we'll just al. We'll put other chemicals to alter it. And remember, if you follow the trail, all the tobacco companies bought big food. So the same people that were manipulating our genes and our body chemistry to make the. The cigarette is more addictive, have done that with sugar and with preservatives and like, msgs and all these things to where you crave certain stuff. And then you get, like, McDonald's, who are the masters, have figured out, you know, this type of chemical cheese releases this many opioids. Right. It's queso. I think it's called a case of opiate. It's basically a form of, like, which is opiates and morphines.
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Yeah.
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In the cheese. But we trigger it to where you need some salt and sugar. So we sugar the fries, and then you get the salt from the fries, and then you get the sugar and high fructose corn syrup from the coke, and you just have this amazing euphoric effect. That's why when you eat it, it's like, you know, it's. It tastes really good when you eat it.
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Yeah.
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But when you get done, your body's like, my God. Well, you know, that was terrible. But they've, you know, they're playing tricks on your biochemistry, right? And your liver to make them more addictive and then trying to trick your brain into making it think, you know, you're getting, like, almost a high from it. And that's what they do. And so they're doing that with. With these. With the foods as well, so processed foods. So the best thing is just do as natural as you can. Yeah, you know, it's better. Eat less and eat natural. I know it's expensive, but there's farmers markets. There's things you can do. You know, you can eat less and eat things. Always turn the back of the packet. Amazon's another great. Not Amazon is actually Whole Foods, which is now owned by Amazon, But Whole Foods used to be. When it was started in Austin, it was amazing. And, you know, it was a great place to go and to try to get away from all this crap food and this manipulative food and, you know, industrial complex. And it slowly started to lose a little bit of that as they got bigger and obviously they follow the money and it got bigger, bigger, but it was still generally pretty good. Fast forward to about 24 months after Amazon bought it. You go back and even just go get like the chicken salad from the deli, right? You think this is fresh. You look at the ingredient list or the bread. It is filled with chemicals now because it's. It's more profitable. It's more addictive. People eat more of it. It's cheaper to make. It lasts longer, all these things. So they get even. Like a great company, like Whole Foods has been totally corrupted, but just. So I always just look at the. It's easy. We can all do that. Just look at the back of the pack.
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Yeah.
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What does it say? There are things that are hidden. You know, for instance, like, you know how McDonald's washes the meat and ammonia, the manufacturing process, so it's not an ingredient. So there are ways that they hide stuff in there, but we can't running around being, like I said, being stressed, obsessive. But just turn the packet over. Okay. If it's natural, it's gonna be pretty good for your liver.
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Right.
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And it's gonna be pretty. Generally pretty good for you in moderation. You know, too much sugar, obviously is not good, but fats are incredibly essential. That's why, like for. In the morning for breakfast, you know, the best thing to. Is to eat, is to have. If you don't fast or your first meal or you're Breaking your fast. Breakfast or it's a 12 if you're doing intermittent, is you want protein and fat. Yeah, absolutely not. Dessert and like cereals and pan, that's like dessert food. Yeah. So you want to go fat, protein. Yeah. Which is what?
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Absolutely.
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I mean that's what we evolved to run around to do is we lived off of fat and protein. And then you supplement with, with some fresh fruits and some nuts and some berries and veg and.
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That's right.
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I love vegetables. Right. Funny that Randall hates vegetables. Out of there. So you were talking to vegetables. Yeah, really funny.
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I, I love vegetables too.
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B
So I love vegetables. My wife love vegetables, you know, but just protein, fat vegetables, clean water, drink. Don't stress. That's the best thing you could do for your liver.
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A
I don't.
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B
Long answer.
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Yeah, no, no, no, that's phenomenal. I don't eat a breakfast, so to speak. But when I leave for a morning walk, I want something. So I go straight for the yogurt that I have protein powder in. But I used to eat that fat free bullshit yogurt. And when I switched to the full fat yogurt. So that's what I have in the morning. Full fat yogurt with some blueberries and the protein powder. So it's full of protein because I got the, the protein from the Greek yogurt and the powder, the fat from the yogurt and then a little bit of the berries for a little bit of carb.
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And the good antioxidants.
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Yes, and the antioxidants, which is what I want in the morning.
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And your gut biome loves you. That's right. Yogurts, kefirs, sauerkrauts, kimchi. Yes. All those are so good for your gut. Yes.
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And if you. So I, I wait for CO2 hours till I'm up. Cause I don't want to have caffeine right away. So I do that and then I go walk for like 40 minutes. I do like three miles of walking. Then come home and have the coffee. But I've gotten the good fuel already. I can't eat early in the morning for some reason. It just doesn't sit right with me. But it's the fat and the protein is so important. I'm so glad you said that, man. I'm telling you the years of fearing fat and now to what I've seen the way that it's, it's changed. And I'm gonna relate that now to what I wanted to bring up to you about my liver. And so I wanna Talk about I'm, I'm gonna relate what you tested on me to what you do. So what? And so for people that don't know, you go do your, your tests at a lot of the big biohacking conventions amongst where you know, at your clinics that you do. But we'll get into that, the fiber scan, what it tests, why it's important and then I'm gonna correlate that into the scores I got and we'll go over my scores, I put em on my phone so that I could see the evolution of them. But so what? First of all, let's talk about the liver clinic.
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Yeah.
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And then we'll get into the fiber scan and what it is and why it's so important. But what is the liver clinic?
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So once again diagnostics was never a goal of ours. But you know, we spend very much about evidence and data driven and evidence based on. But I've got a good balance between left brain, brain and right brain is we were doing clinical studies, I spent close to 20 million on clinical research and stuff and studies to do the product, to create deliverance. And we were doing all these tests and I was learning more about fatty liver and we were relying on what everybody is relying on, which is your blood biomarkers for the liver. You get your panel done and it looks at cholesterol and it looks at kidney function and the liver panel. And we were saying, so it doesn't. More and more we realized that we're like actually liver panel on a blood test isn't telling if you've got fatty liver. If your liver enzymes are off, that could be indicative of inflammation or liver problem, right? It could be, but it doesn't tell you. So we said, well, let's start scanning people. So we did ultrasounds and we still to this day use all the technologies, ultrasound. But ultrasound will just say fatty or not fatty. Not specific enough. It's good if you're trying to look, find a tumor. It's inexpensive and it's quick. And then we did MRIs. But MRIs are very expensive, they're very uncomfortable if you're claustrophobic, they're nightmare. We had a patient the other day with real bad patient. We had to do MRI for confirmation and we had to give him a lorazepam because you know, you get, you get claustrophobia. So MRI is not a great experience. CAT scan's not specific enough. So we generally use mris. Fibroscan, which I love, which is fibroscan is the technology, it's called shear Wavelength. And what it is, is it uses sound and vibrations and it pulses into the liver. And because the liver is the healthier the liver is, the softer and squishier it is. Yeah. It sends these vibrations through and then as it reverberates. Right. So it's like you kind of like smack, like a smacked a bum. Right, like it jiggles. Yeah, your liver does that. But we're doing it with pulses or sound of vibrations. And with that, depending on how quick the sound moves and the vibration moves through the liver, we can tell how much fat there is and how much scarring or stiffness there is. Because if it's inflamed or it's scarred, you can do that. So it's incredible technology. 4,000 papers, it's used all over the world. So I really fell in love with. With fiber scanning. Yeah, there's other companies that use sure Wave now, but that's. This is the French brand, which is really high quality, which I like. So we started doing that, we started comparing the data. We're like, okay, let's see. All these people have fatty liver disease with fibroscan. We went and confirmed it with mri, but their blood tests are fine. So we realized that's why 90% of people with fatty liver disease don't know. Don't know they have it. And we've had people that have come in and thought they had fatty liver disease. I'm like, okay, well, how do you. What gave you this conclusion? Or how were you diagnosed with it? They're like, oh, well, my liver panel is off. Liver panels aren't going to tell you if it's off because at the end of the day, it's a lagging indicator. And you just might have had a. You might have had an infection, you may have bit by a spider, you might have had some food poison. There's a million things that could do it. So it's just, it's. It's a one snapshot in time. And it could be indicative of liver damage or liver stress, but it's not going to tell you you have fatty liver and vice versa. Some people think they do and they don't. All right? And so we said, how do we. There's a great Hindu saying, it's, how do you wake somebody up that doesn't know they're asleep? And so how do we let all these people know if the liver's healthy or if it's not healthy? Because they're getting a, you know, a very small amount of data from a blood test, right? So we got into the fibro scanning and then we said, okay, Mayo Clinic has fiber scans. And in London, where we're based, the government, because this is socialized medicine, we said, okay, we want to start studying patients for, for scan. And they said, yeah, it's about a one to two year wait list. Like, oh my goodness. And then it was okay. But to even get on the wait list, your blood panel has to be off. And then if your blood panels off, they send you home and then you come back, you get another blood panel. And then at that stock, they send you for an ultrasound because it's cheaper. And then be so even to get one, I'm like, so we need to bring this to the public because this technology is great. Everybody uses it. Harvard, Cornell, University of London, asu, all the great hepatologists have it, but they use this technology for sick people that are already sick. So they said, well, this technology, it's relatively inexpensive, it's quick to do. It's so safe, you can do if you're pregnant, if you've got a pacemaker. The software is so intuitive that operator error is very difficult. Like MRI at the end of the day is only as good as the level of mri. But really the person doing it, reading it. Yeah, the review, because that's what's so key. That's where AI is actually very effective to be used to also do diagnostics on an MRI report. And so we went into fiber scanning and just love it. And we were so you can go and like, we're going to Atlanta to this really prestigious country club this week. This week I'm going to give a lecture to the members, to all the, the who's who of Atlanta. And then we do a scan day. So we pop up, we walk up at the machine and we'll scan the members and we'll do one every 10 minutes. And they, they come in, they pull this shirt up. So I just love it is because it's so easy. So we've democratized it by instead of it sitting this piece of kit for people that are sick. Yeah, we want to give it to everybody because we want to prevent you from getting sick. So everybody should get the screen and you can see where you're at and you'll know where you're at. And it's gold standard as far as effectiveness. And then if we see something really bad, then you go get an mri, right? And I remember the echosense people, they're the ones that make fibroscan. They're like, okay, what's your patient pathway for this? This is chronic illness. I said, well, I'm not. We're not scanning sick people. Like, what do you mean? They couldn't get the head around it. I said, we're going to be scanning the 90% of people that are not yet sick so we could prevent them from getting sick. So we're going to just be scanning, making it. Scanning people en masse before. Because I practice root cause medicine.
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Right.
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Or functional medicine, and is preventing you from getting ill. Like, like, I love this quote. I say it. Yeah, but you always ask. And I'll ask. I'll be doing a lecture, maybe even at school or at a room. And I'll say, well, when did Noah build the ark? And people like, before the flood. Before the flood, like before the rain. And that's really what functional medicine and root cause medicine is. Before it even starts raining.
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That's right.
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B
You need to be ready.
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A
That's right.
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And so that's why we really got into the fiber scanning. And. But there was no where to send our patients. So we just said, well, we're just going to have to open up our own clinics. Yeah. So. And then what we wanted to do is we partner with existing clinics. We say, listen, how'd you like us to come in? We'll be your liver clinic within your clinic. We'll provide the machines, we'll have the training, and if they are sick, we'll help take, take care of them and then refer them to a hepatologist or an endocrinologist or an mri, you know, so. But to screen everybody to do that. So we did that and then we were here and I, we called up Mayo and we said, you know, can you do a cash pay for a fibro scan? Like, yeah, it's fourteen hundred dollars. Oh, okay. Well, we, we'd like to start sending you patients. I said, well, they have to be a patient of ours for us to even do that as a cash pay. And we'd like to do the referral. And you don't need a referral or prescription to get a fibroscan? No, but Mayo was not interested in it in them unless they were sick or they would become a Mayo patient. They'd go into the Mayo system. I'm like, I can't send you 200 patients a month to get fibro scans. Cash pay. And they're like, no, okay, I guess we have to start a clinic. So we started clinics in the states and then we partner with existing clinics. So we do pop ups. Because some Doctor's offices maybe don't have that many patients.
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Yeah.
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So we'll move around. But then we have, we have static clinics. We have partnerships within clinics and then we have our own. Our own as well. But it's. Yeah, you couldn't even. You. I mean, we couldn't send people to do it.
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So people can come to you now for cash pay if they want. Yeah. In person.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And we, we have several in la. We've got one in Lake Nona with, I don't know if you know, there's a show pro center there. It's amazing. We have a partnership with them in this huge center there. We've got a couple of New York roaming them up all the time. And we do pop ups and road shows. But the scanning is so key at the shows. You've seen it. We're so busy at the shows. We have to have two scanners, two doctors, two people nurses doing the scans or texts. And people love it because it's quick, it's easy. It's. We charge anywhere from 3 to 500 bucks depending on it. So it's, you know, a third of what Mayo charges.
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Right.
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And. But the other side of the equation is if you've got fatty liver disease, right, which is 40% of the population, there's no, they don't give you a solution. They just say, well, we'll go on a diet or try to exercise more. That if you go to John Hopkins right now or Mayo's website, they'll say there's no, no treatment for it. Just make these changes. But if you've got stage three fatty liver disease, a diet will take you years.
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Yeah, I was gonna say.
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And. But we already have the solution. We started with the solution with deliverance. That's so Deliverance. We reverse fatty liver and usually three months, six months on the outside. So then we're like, okay, well we've got the solution. Now we need to let people know they have it. And you tie the two together. We're so effective at what we do from optimizing liver function that we say, go get a scan or a blood test with us or with anybody. Take the product and then in 90 days test you again.
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Yeah.
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So we're like, we hang our hat on evidence and we always say, if we haven't affected your biomarkers within six months, I'll treat you until we do.
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Right.
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I can make that. That, you know, you know, I would say braggadocious claim only because we're so effective to do that. But so the diagnostics came later and now they tie into each other. And a lot of people, funny, they don't want to get a scan because they're worried. They're like, I'm nervous. I'm like, listen, don't worry. You're gonna have two results, both will be positive. One, your liver's healthy and you got nothing to worry about. So, you know, you can kick your heels and cruise on with your day and have a lovely time or we found something. We're gonna put a plan together and fix it. Yeah, because generally, if you do have a liver problem or a set liver disease or a major liver issue, you're not aware of it till it's very severe. Right. There's not a, there's not a lot of nerve endings in the liver. You don't feel the liver. And most of the symptoms of like fatty liver disease are not easily recognizable because of busy lifestyles like brain fog, weight gain, bad sleep. Yeah, a lot of other things cause that. But those are the three, like, big first indicators of it as well. Giving solutions to people is key because if, you know, we wouldn't be doing the scans if we didn't have the solution as much because then, you know, you don't want to just send somebody, oh, you've got an issue. You know, it was like, you gotta give somebody a plan. And that's why first plan we tell people is, all right, let's, let's look at your nutrition. Let's change that. It doesn't cost you money to give some good advice. We don't charge for that. You know, just here's some good foods to eat, here's what not to eat, here's conscious choices we can make, here's these things to do. You also have this, this situation where most of the people with fatty liver disease are actually poor people or people that economically deprived. And the reason being is because they can't afford maybe as healthy a food or the fresh meats. So they're consuming cheap calories. And cheap calories tend to be more chemicals made and filled with preservatives and bad grade meat. And basically so they're suffering. It's very unfair because the people that can, that can afford medical or health or wellness the least are getting the sickest because they're eating the cheapest food. The cheapest foods is causing the most damage. Right. So we, we try to do outreach programs and we'll go into neighborhoods and scan people as we. It was one of the things I was talking to Dr. Malone about at the inauguration is he connected with this group in kind of like the Mexican border. We go into these areas because ethnicities too, Hispanics, we get fatty liberties much quicker than Caucasians will. So. And they don't, they have no idea they're happening. But they're getting diabetes and they're putting on a lot of weight and they're getting coronary disease and they're getting heart attacks and a lot of it's because of the food they're eating, but it's giving them fatty liver disease. And the fatty liver disease is causing those conditions. So the foundation of metabolic disease is fatty liver. The foundation of diabetes is fatty liver. So it starts with fatty liver. I mean, it starts with what we eat, but. Right, yeah. But then fatty liver is this, that if you could, you can stop it here and turn it around here downstream, you're going to lower the chances of type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, liver cancer, Nash, all the things that come down it. So you've got to, you know, we, we all have our, you know, roles to play in this. Yours is, is, is letting the world know about all these different amazing health people that you speak to. And, and you know, this, this fountain of knowledge mine is to focus on the liver. You know, you've got guys like Hyman and I mean, God bless him, Jeffrey Bland, that's out there talking. You know, start with the food, what we're putting in. That's why a lot of what needs to be done in this country is really, is educating the children now.
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It's all education, man.
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Yeah. And it's free.
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Yeah.
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There's a custody money down somebody.
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That's where it starts. It's, it's, it's gotta be teaching people the right things that it really does. And then it's a trickle down from there.
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Absolutely. And you shouldn't charge people for that. No, no.
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That's why we do this. You know, it's fun. Several things to touch on that you said, you know, I was one of those that I thought for sure when I came to you because my liver enzymes have been messed up for so long. I had a fiber scan done, but it didn't give me the numbers and stuff that you had. It was something my doctor would recommend. I didn't even know what the hell it was. You know, at the time I came home from vacation in Florida and my, I can't remember now if it was alt or ast, but one was 290 and the other one was 201.
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Yeah, you want those to be like in the 20s. Yeah, exactly.
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At least in the 40s, but yes, in the 20s. Right. I had prior steroid use, so I had times where they were in the 70s and 80s, but I knew how to get them right back down. So I get back and I'm like, what on earth is happening here? Go to my doctor. Oh, they're slightly elevated. And I was like, brother, you know, like, I kept it to myself and I got home and I told my wife, what the fuck does he mean these are slightly elevated? This is out of control. So then, you know, that takes time to get down. And then progressively over the next three months, it was down to like 130 and 90, which is still way too high. Drastic drop. So by the, you know, and then I started to make the change from all the low fat foods and everything and into more fat, fatty, friendly foods and changed the whole structure of my diet. And then when I came to you, it was April of 25.
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Yeah.
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And that's the first scan I got with you. You told me was tremendous. I got my number here and it says that I was cap 222 and that E KPA was 3.0.
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Yeah.
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And so then I came back to you in. That was at Eudaimonia. So that was in November.
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Yep.
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And then I was down for to 173 and 2.3.
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So. Which is incredible. That's optimal. Is it? Yeah, that's like, that's blue zone.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So, well then let's talk about that one. What do these mean, the two numbers? And for a drop like that in five, six months, what would cause a drop like that to put me in.
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A more optimal zone? What.
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So we can tell people like, what are some potential things that could do that? And then I could tell you, okay, I did some of that stuff.
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And so I'll start with the numbers. So the two numbers that we're. The main things that we're looking at with the fibro scan is we're looking for percentage of fat or steatosis.
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Huh.
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And how much is in there? And you want it to be between about 150 and 250 is. Is green. I consider anything under 200 to be optimal.
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Okay.
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Because you need some, you know, under 250. You've basically got less than 10 of your liver has fatty change within it. Not percentage of it's fat, but there's percentage of your liver that's as fatty and you need fat in there. Yeah, that's good. I mean, glycans are the energy you get is little balls of fat basically. Right, right. And again. But, and then it's a slippery slope. Then if you go from like 250 to 260, your fatty liver and then you're like in the 30 percentile and then 270 or fatty liver disease and then above 280 you've got stage three fatty liver disease and all kinds of problems. Caught that.
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Right.
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And the other thing it's looking at is stiffness. Remember I said like the softer and squishier the liver is, the better it is. Because the liver is, you know, it, it, it gets bigger and it gets smaller. It grows by 40%. So if you had a big, big meal and it broke it down, it would grow by 40%. That's huge. And then it'll, it'll come back. So you want it to be like very like precipitous, like very like flowy and soft and squishy and that's Belgium. But if it starts to get stiffer, that can be signs of inflammation and that can be signs of scarring and a sluggish liver. So that's why we're measuring stiffness to the KPA or KILOPascals. Yeah. Mathematical term. But is essentially how stiff it is. If it is.
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Okay.
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Yeah. So you were, your stiffness was actually pretty good. Uh huh. Too. It's an auspicious number, but it is, it is actually more, it's the higher range, but it's within the green and that could fluctuate, you know. Yeah, it does and it will. But you then had a dramatic reduction. We looked at it again, it was much softer, much squishier. And your liver fat was, was low. Good low, you know as well. And you know, one of the things that you were doing which is paramount and this is so important for healing or for health or people with cancer, is you now have a brain connection with your liver. You're acknowledging your liver, you're taking care of it and you're also starting to like manifest and pray that your liver gets healthier because you're now connected with this organ that you didn't know what it did or before. That's really important. So the most important part of health and healing is your mindset and your connection. So I just joke, you, you, have you ever been a hypochondriac that doesn't get sick all the time?
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It's true.
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Yeah. So that was happening. And then I would say, you know, you exercise is probably good water intake and you're eating probably cleaner foods and cleaner foods. So you know, proteins, fats, vegetables, fruits and getting out things that are synthetic or man made or processed. And that should have, those things definitely should have been part of the reduction of it as well. But you are in the green so you'll bounce around within the green. But you went from green to what I would consider blue or optimal, which is kind of like a, like probably when you're 12 years old. Right. Like a super healthy liver. It hasn't been, you know, put through all the processes and, and abuse and, and substances that it's hammered with, but it's, you know, and your liver's regenerating. So your liver, when you were having those high ALT and AST markers, your liver was inflamed. That's why you, those markers were high. And what an ALT AST is. It's an enzyme and it's. We're mapping if there's a lot of those enzymes. It means your liver's under stress.
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Yeah.
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And your liver was damaged so your liver was also healing and regenerating this whole time as well. So in the background your liver was repairing and as it was repairing, its functionality got better. And as its functionality got better, excess fat was gone and also the stiffness got lower so became softer. So your, your liver was on this healing journey. It was probably whenever you came back and you might have picked up a parasite or you might have picked a.
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Bacteria when you were traveling in the ocean and everything.
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So all kinds of things in there could have got, could have been causing that stress. So your liver was repairing and healing. You were, had the, the brain spirit connection with your liver as well. And then I would imagine, you know, just that alone would do it. But you probably made some dietary changes as well.
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Yeah.
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And you know, especially if you're eating like you said, like a fat free yogurt versus a regular one. So all those things are, are kind of contributing. It's, it's, it's a, it's a culmination of things.
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Can over training or training too much cause stress and strain on the liver too?
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Yeah, of course, yeah.
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So that could.
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Oxidative stress and then inflammation. Oxidative stress causes inflammation, inflammation causes more oxidative stress. And then we get in this vicious cycle as well.
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A
Would you say that, what age would you recommend people go in and do a fiber scan? Should they do it early or.
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Well, so there's some factors in there. If they don't have their gallbladder, then they should definitely get scanned once a Year.
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Okay.
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That's a big thing gender wise. Specifically, about 2/3 of people with fatty liver disease are mental. One third of women. It's the opposite of Alzheimer's. So it can affect men more as well. It does. Two thirds. You know, for. If they've been on a lot of pharmaceuticals, I would say they check more. Yeah. If they've been on a really bad diet, they were. If they're obese, 90% of people that are obese will have fatty liver disease. Yeah. 70% of type 2 diabetics will have fatty liver disease. And. And one's causing the other. Fatty liver disease is making the obesity worse. But interestingly, it sounds like a confusing number, but just think about it. So if you're obese, you have a 90% chance of having fatty liver disease. But of the 2 billion people in the world with fatty liver disease, half of them are not obese. So 50% of people with fatty liver disease are thin.
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Right.
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So it. Just because you're thin, doesn't. Doesn't.
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Yeah.
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Your ethnicity can have a lot to do.
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Right.
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So if you're South Asian, much higher percentage chance of it. A Latin American Hispanic has a higher chance of fatty liver disease. Much higher. Because of genetic predisposition and how they. They store glycans and fats. Yeah. And things. So those are factors to look at as well. But if you're obese, definitely, you know, go. You want to get scanned. If you're a man between 40 and 65 years old, about 70% of them have fatty liver. If you've got high cholesterol, it could be because you're another one of the things the liver does is not only it creates cholesterol, it breaks cholesterol down. It stores them as well. Fatty liver, you'll have more bad cholesterol, which is ldl, and less hdl, which is your good cholesterol. And then you have more triglycerides. And more of those is what leads to plaque buildup, which can lead to, you know, coronary disease and plaque buildup in the arteries and things like that too. So certain ethnicities, no gallbladder, obese, pre diabetic lifestyle, or if you're older. Yeah, you're just gonna have a higher percentage chance of that. Cause you accumulate liver fat. Even though you might've had an okay diet, you're just accumulating more and more and more and that starts to build up. And the fattier the liver is your ability to break fat down. So if you go eat a really fatty steak or anything, Right. Any fat that you consume, 70% of that's broken down by the liver. So the liver doesn't. Can't break your fats down as well if it's not functioning as well.
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I see. I want to talk about alcohol and the liver and how much of a contributing factor that is in comparison to other things that we've been talking about. First of all, talk about the negative impact that alcohol can have in general. Just like one drink and then over time, prolonged use. And then how is it in relation to being like the number one factor for liver disease in general?
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I don't know. Is number one for liver.
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Exactly. Yeah. So that's it. Where does it fall in line?
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So 70% of liver disease is non alcohol related now.
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Really?
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Yeah. So that's another thing I can't tell you. Thousands of times I've asked people about a scan like, oh, I don't drink. Okay, 70 of people, liver disease don't drink. So that is, you know, that's one of the things that people don't understand. And that's like a big misnomer that. Yeah. Realize just because you don't drink or do drinks, you know, obviously you can have more of a risk of liver disease if you drink than if you don't drink. But if you don't drink, doesn't mean you're out of the woods.
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Right.
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You know, at the end of the day, alcohol is toxic. Yeah. And you drink one drink and your livers, if it's functioning well, it will break it down.
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Yeah.
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And that's why you don't really get a. You just kind of feel. You get a nice little feel, but you don't get too much. Yeah. But if you start to overwhelm it, you're causing more and more damage. And the liver can't break it down as quick. So the repair, the damage is outweighing the repair and it's causing that. And it's. When you drink alcohol, your liver produces these enzymes to break alcohol down and metabolize it and convert it as part of the detoxification process. The byproduct of that is actually what's super toxic. And if that, that's really what gives you a lot of the. The toxicity aspects as well as the byproduct. Just like eating protein. So when you eat protein, your liver breaks the protein down. The byproduct of that is ammonia. That's why if you've got a bad liver that's not functioning very well and you're eating a lot of protein, you Start to get too much ammonia and even too much ammonia in your blood, it can break down your blood brain barrier which allows more toxins into the brain. And ammonia can actually cause brain damage. So that's. There's a whole connection with the brain and that as well. So different things have byproducts. It's like a waste material.
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Wow.
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And the waste material from alcohol or is incredibly toxic as well. And you know, alcohol also can cause inflammation. Obviously it causes liver damage. The byproduct of breaking it down causes liver damage. And that's why you start to. You don't think as properly when you're drunk.
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Yeah.
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Because you're toxic. Right. And the toxicity is affecting your brain. So it has those effects as well. And I'm a, you know, I'm a proponent of, I think a glass of wine or light drinking if you can keep it cool and drink water with it or take a deliverance or take a milk thistle or in low amounts because it de. Stresses you is actually good. And you laugh more if you're drinking sometimes. But it's very difficult to control that.
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Yeah.
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So alcohol does cause damage for sure. And it. Too much of it can cause a lot of damage. I. There's two camps for, you know, drinking red. A glass of red wine every day, which is a lower amount, has benefits for the reservatrol and heart health and all that too. Some people, I like that, some people don't, but it is, at the end of the day, it's toxic for you. But your body can deal with a lot of toxicity as well. But alcohol is, you know, there's all kinds of negative effects of alcohol not only on the, on the physiology but on inflammation and on the brain letting more toxicity in. There's a whole spiritual aspect of it as well. I mean, because remember, you know, the way they call, you know, beer, wine and spirits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spirits was a term that came out because when people drink too much, like heavy alcohol like gin or vodka, because it's so concentrated people, some people act crazy and it also lowers your spiritual guards. So more people could be, I think possessed at that aspect. And they called it spirits because they, it would allow evil spirits into you really. And evil spirits would come out because people would act like, hey, I didn't pray that, man. That's about spirits because they, they thought in medieval times and actually it's probably correct, it would allow more evil spirits in and more spirits come out of you. Well, yeah. Even in the Bible not to be.
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A drunkard and drink Till you're drunk.
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B
Yeah. I don't. Yeah. And I love a glass of wine, but I don't drink to get drunk.
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Yeah.
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I drink to relax or just to chill or to go with food, but not never to get drunk. Yeah. Alcohol, you know, think about. That's why they call it spirit. So they thought there was evil spirits in the bottle. Because you'd be like, well, he danked this bottle with this alcohol and he turned into a madman or he became evil or became abusive or all the negatives that can come with drinking in excess. Can you. Besides physiological damage, psychological damage, emotional damage, the damage you do to other people. We think how much abuse and things that come out of people that have been drinking too much and.
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Yeah.
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You know, bad decisions and, you know, and the other side of the coin, in light doses, you can have fun and laugh with your friends and it can be silly. Yeah. But it's not for everybody. And you know, is it better to drink or not to drink? Of course it's better not to drink. It does cause a lot of damage. But, you know, you. If you tell people, don't drink.
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Yeah.
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You have to just. These are the dangers of drinking. These are the dangers of this. You know, weigh things out accordingly. If you are gonna have a drink, drink a lot of water. Make sure it's high quality.
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Yeah.
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Whatever you do, don't mix it with Tylenol, don't mix with pharmaceuticals. You know, don't make her. The anti. Like if you're antibiotics and you drink alcohol, not only have you destroyed the antioxidant, the antibiotic, the good it's doing.
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Yeah.
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B
But you're causing liver damage.
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Right.
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B
So it's, you know, it's. It's a very. It's playing with fire to a degree. Yeah.
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The best thing that I always tell people is, look, dude, do whatever you want. I'm just going to tell you what it does and it's up to you. I'm not going to tell you. Don't do it. You.
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B
You.
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Here's the facts. You run with it however the hell you want to run with it. You know, I. I would recommend not, though.
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B
Yeah.
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So if, for instance, if you haven't drank for years and then you have one drink and you notice the one drink really hit you as opposed to before. It wouldn't. Is that because that your liver's not recognizing it not breaking as down as well or why.
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Why does your tolerance has changed so your threshold for that. Because it's, it's not producing the enzyme that Breaks alcohol down as much. Okay. So you have less of them.
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So. Okay.
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That's why, like Aborigines, Native Americans and certain Asiatic cultures get drunk really quick.
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Yeah.
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Because their liver's not producing that enzyme because it didn't need it. Because Aborigines haven't drank for thousands of years like Europeans have, so they don't have that enzyme. Or genetic, maybe a genetic differential where they don't have as much of it, so there's lack of it. So if you're not drinking for a while, you'll stop producing that enzyme. And your liver will say, well, let's produce an enzyme. Because maybe he's eating a lot of fatty foods. So we need to produce more of the enzyme to breaks the fats down or the yogurt suit. Less of it. And also, a high tolerance is actually usually indicative of liver damage.
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Right.
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So people that have a really high tolerance probably actually have more of a damaged liver. You would think, oh, well. Oh, well, if my liver's damage, I should feel it more. It's the opposite.
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Right.
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It kind of numbs it. Yeah, to a degree. And then you, you know, you have the effect of brain chemistry and how it tastes. Like if you haven't drank in a long time and you have a drink like, ew. Right. Once again, it doesn't taste good. And that's your brain telling you it's bad. But if you start drinking your pleasure centers and those serotonin adoption, those chemicals are like. Yeah, but you feel really good. And then it's like, tells your taste buds to be quiet.
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Yeah, exactly. Now, I, I. When I was in my 20s, I mean, I was partying four and five days a week, and I stopped drinking completely. So if me and Queenie would go on a vacation, I'd have a drink maybe one a year or two. And I'm just like, I'd tell her after half a one because I drink Grand Marnie on the rocks.
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B
And I was like, okay, that's what I'm gonna have. Yeah, bad idea.
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Bad idea. I was having trouble walking back to the freaking car and half a drink. And I used to have five, six, seven of them at a time, no problem. But I feel better knowing that I don't drink anymore.
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B
Yeah. And your liver shut that enzyme off to it. And your body's also telling you you're thriving right now by not drinking.
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Exactly.
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It's. This is what's gonna happen. This. Your body's also speaking to you.
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Right. It's like eating the fast food when you haven't for years. And it's just. I mean, it's you ends up making you feel bad either way. But if you haven't for years and then you have it, it's just like, what did I just do? It's just a horrible feeling.
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B
Funny, because the anticipation of certain fast foods, like the best, like the most pleasure is the anticipation of it. Yeah. Right. When you eat it and then you spend the rest of the time regretting it.
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It's like the freaking commercial sells you on it.
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B
That's why you're programmed to do it. Yeah.
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So, okay, I want to get. Because we haven't talked about deliverance yet and I want to get into the product itself. And, and so for people watching, you know, me and my wife both got sick last week and you sent me a bunch right away. So I want to talk to you about one. You know, the, the benefits on the liver. But why would you send it to me when I'm just sick in general? Because, I mean, I know why, but tell everybody else why. Because of the consumption of what's in it and everything. But how does it work and why is it so beneficial when you're sick?
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Especially the livers were the most important organs for your immune system and deliverance was, was built off of three pillars. And I didn't want to do like a lot of supplement companies do and say, well, I'm going to make one for your brain, one for your immune and inflammation, and one for your liver. So we combine them all together. It's called deliverance because it's, it's my deliverance from losing loved ones to liver disease is in Deliverance means to take you from evil to good or to take you from. To set you free from a bad thing.
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Love it.
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Why it's using church. A lottery is a great, great Biblical is a lot of meaning. A lot of meaning in everything we, we do, especially I do and, and, and all these deep, deep essences of it. But that's the name, but it's a combination of all these things. And the reason it took 18 years of R and D is I would do a clinical study and then I would do. I would look at the results and then I would change the formula and then I would. I formulate based off of evidence and the science rather than just, you know, and I probably when I was younger, we just come out with a great formula and sell it and. Okay, feedback's good. Yeah. No, no, no. That now we, we go tie everything to test and blood tested, scans and what are the most important things to optimize liver function. Okay, so oxygenation in the blood, how we dealing with parasites, how we dealing with inflammation, how are we dealing with antioxidants, how are we doing the free radicals, how are we doing with neuropathways and neurotransmission, et cetera. First symptom of fatty liver disease is brain fog. And as we were saying, the connection between if your liver is not functioning as well, your brain isn't functioning as well.
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Right.
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Your cognitive function is less. So I put a nootropic in it to make you think a lot clearer and faster. And we put different types of anti inflammatories in it because I'm trying to get you out of that cycle of I've got oxidative stress which is causing inflammation, and inflammation is causing oxidative stress. And a lot of great practitioners and doctors will tell you that chronic inflammation is the source of most disease. So we put in a lot of different anti inflammatories and we put really high amounts of bioavailable antioxidants. It's, it's not, it's quality. I'm a quality, not quantity person. Yeah, absolutely. So the quality and how it's being absorbed and the bioabsorption, how it's going into the bloodstream and then how are we making the blood flow around, increasing metabolism, more oxygen in the blood. So it's, it's a combination of optimizing liver function. That's the one pillar. Then the other two pillars that are holding this up is the brain. Neur, neurotropic, making you think clearer and faster. And then antioxidants, anti inflammatories. And that's why we have such amazing results by people that take it. Usually because of the nanotechnology that we use. You start to feel the mental clarity really quick.
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Yeah.
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B
And within weeks, your skin and your hair improves because your liver is also in charge of your skin and your hair. Your largest organ in your body's your skin, your largest internal organs, your liver. And most skin conditions are actually under the skin and they're, they're like icebergs. Most of it you don't see. And if your liver is really healthy, more collagen, more blood, more oxygen, less free radicals, more antioxidants. Is your skin looks better. So your skin and hair start to glow, start to lose a little bit of weight because of your metabolizing liver fat. Better. Yeah. And then if you look at biomarkers, it helps with cholesterol, fatty Liver, et cetera. But in your scenario, you know, obviously I wanted you to get the benefit of it for the mental clarity. But, okay, you're sick, so your body is now dealing with probably some inflammation. It's got a lot of oxidative stress, and you've probably got a bunch of free radicals cruising around. Whether I didn't, you know, we didn't go into whether it was viral or it was an infection, but either way, we need your immune system and your inner little soldiers to be fighting as good as they can. So by taking two or three of these a day, I'm giving you lots of antioxidants, which is like ammo to get rid of free radicals. I'm lowering your inflammation, and I'm increasing your powerhouse of your immune system, which is your liver. Liver is the hero in this whole thing. We just support the hero, right? And that's why I said take more, because, you know, that's why you. More juice, more sunshine, all these things, Less stress. I was like, you know, just relax. That's just chill, right? Because anything you could do to get your immune system, because your, your body is fighting a battle internally, it's under attack and you need it to prevail, right? So it's a combination of all those, you know, positive energy and sunshine and nutritious food and chicken soup and collagen and protein and good fats and deliverance. And it was, you know, you needed all these things to love, obviously. Massive. Loving yourself, your wife, loving you, you loving your wife. And, you know, all these things are going to get you healed much, much faster.
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Excellent.
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B
That's why I said it to you. I said you double up. Yes.
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A
Because you love me.
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B
Yeah, I do.
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A
I do.
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B
Yeah. You're doing really good. God's work. And I see what you're doing. I feel what you're doing. I know people are affected by what you're doing. So, you know, there's not as many of us as there are the other side. So we have to be all helping each other on this journey.
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No, I, I thoroughly, thoroughly agree. Dude, I've told you from the moment we start talking, like, how much I love you and appreciate what you do, and we see very, very similarly on so many things. And I, I love the amount of information that you have and the way you convey it, because sometimes there's a lot of smart people, but they don't really know how to convey the information well, and they don't make it understandable or fun and, and it's really nice to have those conversations and to get a better understanding that you know this, there's a lot of concepts that you and I both know that have a ton of misconception. Just like every, I mean, how many have we already just broached upon on this conversation alone? And I'm sure that's a big battle for you in general. That maybe not even a battle, but just something you have to overcome a little barrier. There's a lot of misconception or lack of understanding on the liver in general.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I appreciate everything that you do for this product here. Do you sell it on your website?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Is that the best place to get it?
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B
So we sell on the website, especially in the uk. We're, we're a British company, but we're now much more in the US High end pharmacies. We have partnerships with some of the most amazing hotels like Six Senses Spas and Four Seasons and Peninsula Functional Medicine, Doctors, integrative medicine. So online or some, if your practitioner carries it as well, those are probably the best places to get it. But the quickest is online. Yeah. And that's, you know, we, it's great because I, we got very blessed. We got the URL that says what we're doing, which is love your liver.
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A
I love that.
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B
So it's loveyourliver.com.
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A
Yeah, it's awesome.
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B
I always say love your life.
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A
Right.
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And I think that's one of the things that, that is probably the most important things for everybody's health and everybody's happiness. And we've been programmed that it's selfish to do this, but it's not. It's actually selfish not to love yourself.
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A
Yeah.
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The most important person in the world to love is yourself. Yeah. And our ability to love others is only limited by how much we love ourselves. So that's the most important, you know, love God, love yourself, and then you shine brighter and you could love others. And so loving yourself and taking care of yourself. So we try to reinforce that in the messaging. Love your liver, you know, it loves you, it takes care of you. Love your life and appreciate what you have. Because it's, it's like that. Great. I love analogies. But you know the oxygen masks in the plane. Yeah. They say if you with children put it on you first, right. Then your child and it's think of you to be like, well, no, of course you put my child first. But if you're not, if you don't have it on you, you can't help your child, help anybody else. You have to take Care of yourself first and then you could take care of those around you. And a lot of people in the health industry and doctors and in all kinds of facets of life don't give themselves enough self love and they need to really, to kind of. To do that example as well because it's. Yeah. So it's, it's paramount.
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A
I love that. I love the mentality, I love the faith part into this. I speak on that constantly and I, I, I argue because I talk about mind and body connection, which we know as you've been discussing here. But I have like a, a king in the middle and then a side side. So it goes mind body, but it starts with spirituality at the top. And I think without that you can't really get comp. Well, actually I don't think, I know you can't have the other two. It just doesn't work. So I appreciate that kind of talk with you too, that we can talk about that and relate about it and understand it and implement it and hopefully encourage others to do that. If people want to get the fiber scan, they can look up clinics to where you're located to come and do it or come to shows that you're going to be at.
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B
Correct. Yeah. And then as we're adding more partnerships, like we just parted with Next Health.
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A
Okay.
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B
And they do all this incredible stuff, but I'm like, what are you doing for liver? They're like, they're like a blood test, like. No, no. So now we're like going to be opening liver clinics with them. Okay. Some of their locations. We do the pop ups, we do road shows. We're going to be, our goal is to have a thousand clinics globally in the next three to four years.
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A
Whoa.
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B
And, but we'll do that by partnering with other doctors as well. So like let's collaborate. One of the highest forms of consciousness is collaboration.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So collaborating with other people. But right now, you know, we've got some clinics in the west coast, we got some clinics in New York and we're opening more and more as well. London, We've got loads, I'm sure, but we're, we're trying to do more and more and get those out and get those going. And you know, if we don't have one, we'll help you find one to do as well. You know, Medicare will cover a scan. A lot of private insurance will. You might have to get something else done before it to get the insurance. I mean, the insurance industry is going to realize that, you know, the best thing for them to do is prevent people from getting sick. But they're so intertwined with the drug companies that this is this very nefarious kind of relationship. Almost incestuous, but preventing you from getting ill. That's the future. That's. Yeah. We say in the UK it will save the nhs. Bobby Kennedy is very much about that. What's happening in this country is the most incredible things happened that's non political in the last year and a half is what's happening with health. Yeah. And Bobby Kennedy's doing, you know, with. So it's not a don't Maha. And health is not a political thing. Children's health is apolitical. Yeah. If you try to bring politics into children's health, you're an.
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A
I. You know what? I did the vaccine interview recently and the only reason I did the interview was when I got the data on the children and I got so pissed off, I said I don't give a. What anybody says. I got real life data here. When it comes to. To kids, hate me all you want. I don't care. I really don't. Because when it comes to them, it's like, dude, if, if you're not on board with factual stuff about kids, I just question your whole reality of existence.
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B
Yeah. It's evil.
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A
If you would rather stick up for a. A company or a product, which a vaccine is just a product than over a kid. I don't know. I'm worried. I'm very worried.
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B
The first people that. That really broke and whistleblowed during the COVID thing was obviously Dr. Malone.
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A
Yeah.
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One of the greatest scientists of all time with vaccines because once they started, they shut his mouth. But once they started giving it to pregnant women and to children, he said that's enough. Then he just. He risked his whole career.
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A
Yeah.
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He was blackballed. He was done that. And also was McCullough to a degree. But it was the chief science officer for Pfizer. For Pfizer. Once they started recommending it, they're like, we could sell it to pregnant women and we just let the kids. And she said no. And he, he got. They destroyed him or tried to.
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A
Yeah.
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And he broke, you know, a lot of those. That's what. You know when you, when you. That's broke the straw that broke the camel's back is when you start messing with children. That's why I love like Del Big Trees a friend. Yeah. Dell takes deliverance a long time.
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A
We've.
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B
We've helped his liver and. But he was, you know, our, my children aren't vaccinated because of Dell and Bobby Kennedy years ago when I before, way before Maha on that as well. But Dell, you know, it was crazy when, when, you know, not one child vaccine has ever had her safety study done on it. And he cross examines these vaccine experts and they won't answer the question like it is. That just.
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A
I did the interview with Aaron Siri. The. Yeah, we did the three hour interview. I did. Yeah, like that's. I read his book on a flight when I was going to do some podcasts because he approached me to do the interview and I told Queenie, I said, I, I want to do this, but I want to also be a little careful. And I read the book, I was like done, I'm doing the interview.
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B
I don't give a. Yeah, He's a hero.
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A
Yeah. And, and look, we have a platform to use. I believe God gave it to me. He's not going to take it from me for exposing something that needs to be exposed. So I said, I just trust God and just do it and it'll be fine.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then. And I learned a great deal from it too. So, man, I can't. I could have talked to you for four hours, I guess, or five. But I, I really, really am so glad we got to do this. We'll definitely do another one because I got plenty more to talk about and a lot, A lot of things to go over in private too that we can discuss too. But man, I, I love the conversation. I love you.
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B
I love the pleasure. Your energy is amazing.
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A
Yeah, it is. I love the. Funny we get to say to each other off camera too. It's great, man. So tell everybody where to follow you online. The best places.
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B
Oh, so, so love your liver dot com. Yeah. And then it's Deliverance Elixir on Instagram and then Deliver Clinic. Yeah, the two. But yeah, Deliverance. And it's, it's so much a fountain of knowledge and as well. But those are the best places. Yeah. Love your liver, love your life. You know, have a relationship with this incredible organ that never stops fighting for you.
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A
I love it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Thanks for coming.
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B
Yeah, yeah.
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A
Appreciate it. All right, everybody, that wraps up another one. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did, which I'm sure you will. Check Siggy out all over the place. He's. He'll be speaking in person too, if you get a chance. You don't want to miss that and at least get to the clinic to see him. So that being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli and Siggy Clavian signing off.
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B
Sat.