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Episode #95 Featuring Filmmaker Laurent Goldstein! An inside discussion on making health documentaries and helping to change peoples' lives!
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Well, thank you so much, Dylan. And first of all, I am very grateful for the opportunity. And I really think that you have an amazing story, an amazing background, the story of transformation, really a story that is inspiring others. And in my documentaries, that's what I always try to do is to maybe inspire Others and get people to look at their life maybe sometimes with different perspectives, their life or their age. In the case of the film your second 50, changing people's belief systems around aging is what really motivates me. So it's a pleasure to be here. I'm looking forward to that conversation. I really enjoyed the short time we spent together. 20 minutes, half an hour, I don't know, in Florida. It was wonderful. And so I felt a connection and so thank you for the opportunity. You said that somehow that I was established, you know, like I feel that I'm not at all. I feel like I'm always on. How do you call Moving sands. Yeah, but it's always coming with a sense of adventure and always kind of renewing yourself. And what I really learned filming documentaries around the topic of aging in particular, that's my second one now, is that we need to keep a very open and flexible mind. So it's actually the opposite of being set. You know, it's kind of always being open to possibilities and changing and open to change. It's not easy change, but I think it brings a great rewards in the process.
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What is it that you're trying to accomplish when you do a documentary? What is that driving you the driving for?
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So I've done now six feature length documentaries and I wrote a screenplay for an actual movie called with an Open Heart. Haven't been able to fund the screenplay of that movie yet. I mean, I think it's a very interesting screenplay. People love it and we have wonderful cast members. But raising the money in that environment hasn't been easy for that movie. So it is being shelled. So in the process of doing that movie with an open Heart, because I was getting roadblocks on the funding, I decided to do your second 50. Listen to the Lion. And what was driving me, not kind of the same thing at what drove me to do the previous documentaries, but is to actually bring something of value to people that can make a positive difference in their lives. That is what motivates me, I think. And the way I like to do my documentaries is to do them in a way that people are touched emotionally and in a way that they get inspired. I think when people get inspired, they actually are motivated to implement changes in their lives, even if these changes are not always easy. Well, that is not the case. Often when people are just educated, there is a ton of education and information out there. All you have to do is do a Google search and you can be educated and informed. However, that does not necessarily translate into people Making actual changes in their lives. What triggers the changes, I believe, is when people get inspired. So how do you do that? When you do a documentary? Yes, you have to provide information, you have to educate people, but doing it in a way that is emotionally engaging and is going to inspire people. And I think what motivates me is to hear people's stories. Everybody has a story to tell, you know, and it's sometimes some people you see in the street, and they don't look like much, but if you get to actually talk to them, you find out that they often have an amazing story. And so that's what motivates me as a filmmaker, is to tell people's story. So ultimately, what interests me the most is connections with people, you know, relationships we have with others. And yes, hearing people's stories and sharing with stories with the world is what motivates me the most.
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And that's it. When you watch a documentary, you. You get a closer, intricate feeling about what's going on. The music that you put in there and the way that you show the story being told and convey the message. Like you said, man, I can read stuff all day long and I can learn a lot. But that doesn't necessarily mean I feel. You know what I mean? Like, I. You don't get that feeling. And you. You don't get inspiration from just reading text. It's very difficult to. I mean, I. The only thing that really inspires me by reading text is the Bible, to be honest with you. But for you, let's say we're filming a documentary and you've got this big plan, like the second 50. How long does something like that really take to do. To do it your way?
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So, I mean, after six documentaries. No, at the beginning, the first couple of movies, you know, I was kind of finding my way. But now I kind of know because I've done several. It typically takes two years of the whole process, filming and editing, from the time we start filming to the time we wrap up the movie. It's two years.
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Wow.
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So it's a process. You have to be really motivated when you start. And with me, it's not an intellectual process. Like, in other words, what I mean is organic, you know, When I started two years ago, I felt the need or the drive to revisit the concept of your second 50. Because 10 years ago, I met a guy by the name of Frank Moffat who wrote a book called you'd second 50 that is on Amazon. We met at an RV dealership. By chance, of course, there's Chance doesn't exist. It was supposed to be. The guy who owned the car dealership actually was a client of mine. I was producing a video for his dealership. And the day I was there and meeting with him, he said, hey Laurent, you know, my friend Frank is here and he wrote that book and I think you should really meet with Frank. So he called Frank, Hey Frank, can you come up? We were in the boardroom upstairs and Frank came up and we started talking. And that day we went to dinner together at the Cactus Club restaurant in Calgary by the airport. And we decided to do a movie from his book. You know, that was how it we. We just clicked, we just connected. I've always been fascinated by the concept of time and how we can maximize our experience while we are alive on this planet. So that's what motivated me to do the first or second 50. Back 11 years ago, we started the process doing the film. Took us two years to do it. And we filmed it in six countries, literally on three continents all over the world. Frank knew some people, great people, like he knew Naomi Judd, he knew a lot of people in the music industry because his kids are amazing musicians. They actually composed the songs for the movie.
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Nice.
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And then I knew a lot of people because of my connections in chiropractic. I spent 20 plus years in chiropractic. So I met all the leaders in the profession and people outside of chiropractic who used to come to chiropractic conferences on a regular basis. People like Jack Canfield, Bruce Lipton, Bob Proctor and many other big names were not chiropractors but were invited. Fabrizio Manci is a chiropractor, of course. But all these people around the chiropractic profession, I knew them intimately because I used to own one of the largest companies in Chiropractic for 12 or 13 years. And so that's was, you know, I had that background in music. I had the background in health wellness because of my own personal journey growing up in France, always interested. When I was 18 years old, I was reading books on homeopathy. I was going to health food stores and buying supplements and I was buying organic food. I was 18, 19, 20. I was already immersed in that space. Where did that come from? I'm not sure, but it started very early on. I was treating myself by homeopathy and my primary physician at the time in France was a naturopath. So it's interesting. And then I moved to Canada for business. I became a business entrepreneur. I started several companies, run large sales teams in my companies. But then it took, you know, like you have you. You had to go through something quite tragic in your life to actually be reborn. Yeah. And. And have an amazing gift to share. I had to go through something very traumatic for me, which was to lose my company, Bryken, which was my company, chiropractic. In 2009, when the recession hit, I lost that business. And it was my retirement. We were doing very well. I had 40 employees. I had to let everybody go and start from scratch. And I was in my mid-50s. And at the time, one day I had that vision that I should start a video production company. And that's what I did. I was in my mid-50s when I lost my business and we lost everything. We moved on on our boat with our two dogs. We lost everything just like we could not. We were doing very well. So we went from doing very well, having great lifestyle to losing everything and having to start from scratch again. So I started the video production company and literally doing cold calls and selling my videos. And we exploded. We. I sold over. We have over way over a thousand clients that I just built it myself from scratch. Literally from less than scratch. Even reinvented myself. But what's very interesting is when I was growing up in France, as a kid, I always wanted to be a film director. I even did a film school to be assistant director. I learned that I borrowed a 16 millimeter camera to film a short film. I did all of that stuff and then I shoved it. I forgot about. I became a businessman. That was not my calling. It was not what I was supposed to do. I was losing myself running all these companies and being that business owner and that entrepreneur. So it took me to actually go through the trauma of losing my business in my mid-50s and having to reinvent myself for after four or five years of shooting videos, meeting Frank Moffat, doing my first film. And then after that I never stopped. And actually I'm already planning my new film, which will be also in the. Your second 50. But we can talk about it later. I don't know if I want to say too much about it. I don't want to jinx it.
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Oh, that's fine. You know, one of the things, one of the many things that I look at, like you said, the trauma. And I used to say that about things too. But in all honesty, it's really training, if you look at it that way, because it's training you for what you really are supposed to be doing or need to get ready for, because you weren't Ready to be doing what you do now at the time. And that's why you weren't doing it.
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You know, it's interesting you said that because in the film, towards the end of the film, in the spiritual segment of the film, at the end, I have a Jungian therapist. Her name is Dr. Anna Mosel. I am a big fan of Carl Jung. I like, you know, I've done 20 years on and off of Jungian therapy as a patient.
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Yeah.
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I just love the dream exploration of that fascinating stuff.
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Yeah.
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And the connection with the spiritual world. And it's just. I love Carlo. And she says at, in the, at. At some point in the film, life is a series of traumas that must be overcome. So we go through these traumas and each of each time it's there to teach you a lesson.
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It's difficult because, like, I've recently, at certain readings that I've been at, and, and it's understanding that some of the struggles that you get and the hard times are actually gifts that you're given, if you look at it in that way. And then I started to go, man, this is tough. Like, I want to comprehend this. I want to get it. And then sometimes if you just sit back and antiquate this and go, wait a minute now this happened, but it, it allowed me to do this. So was it a gift? Was it? And then I'll go, huh. As much as I thought it sucked, because it did, had it not happened, then what?
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And I love how in your story, like, the time that you spent, like having to go to jail and all of that, the two years, how somehow you explained that it taught you something valuable and that you found something positive in that experience. I think you are talking about the fact that you had that routine, that you were only relying on that. And I'm sure it actually taught you something positive that you still implement today. Maybe, I'm guessing it made me a
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lot more accountable and it has helped me with time management and, and keeping on track. And it, it developed more responsibility to me and more understanding of, look, you can do this. You can do anything. You've been reduced to nothing. You can't get any worse. I mean, you can't. You can't get any worse than I was at. So it, it, it always reminds me, but it also gives you more value, gives you more value on time. You can't get that back. Right. So you. Then, then sometimes when I get complacent or I get where I, you know, it's very easy to take things for granted. Just everyday stuff. It really is problem.
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It is.
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And then I'll start to think, man, just me getting to go to a nice gym to work out at or even have the ability to work out, like basic stuff you go do and you go home and you're like, oh, I'm tired. I want to eat, I want to do this. When I leave, I always take a minute just to thank God for the most basic of basic stuffs. Because you don't realize how many people would kill skill to do one of those things.
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100%. You know, it's interesting, you're talking about being tired in the first film. Your second 50. One of the amazing people I was grateful to interview is Bob Proctor. Yeah, you know, Bob Proctor, the architect of the. The secret and all of that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And at some point, Bob was talking about, you know, you could be exhausted. It's the end of the day, you're tired and you don't feel like doing anything anymore. You want to stay on the couch at home and just watch tv. But your wife tells you, okay, let's go dancing. There is a ballroom dancing event tonight. Let's go dancing and say, oh, okay, I'll go. And then you go and you're with your wife on the dance floor and suddenly you're not tired anymore. Exactly. You forget about the fatty. Why? Because you do what you love to do. That's it. And that is, you know, there is energy that can be found in that. I am fascinated by the concept of where can we find sources of energy? And this is why I'm so grateful to have Dr. Donny Epstein in the film Epi Energetics. Donny Epstein is a genius. Tony Robbins just had him on stage again last weekend because it was Donnie's birthday and they are very close friends. And Tony Robbins just released a video on YouTube talking about how much Danny Epstein has, you know, taught him in his life and how much of a genius he is. But Danny Epstein is all about tapping into sources of energy that you may not see out there. And he's helping you have access to that. Because ultimately we cannot be alive and feel really alive unless we feel that we have energy to do things. So how to keep your energy going in your 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s. That is what I'm fascinated to actually talk about. And that's in the movie, the latest film. That is really one of the things that we really drill on.
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So, I mean, you get so many cool people that come on that are brilliant, you know, in different minds. So I mean, you can talk all day about the production and stuff, but what about on a personal side? Like a. How much do you actually learn and absorb from all these different minds and be like, do you develop like close relationships with people? Is it a working thing where you just kind of talk to them, never talk to them again, like for you? Because I know everybody's different.
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Yes.
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How is it for you?
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What I'm most fascinated about, what I'm more interested about is a relationship I develop over time, you know, and so yes, I have developed fantastic relationship. Dr. Bruce Lipton, we go back 22 years. He's one of my mentors. Where we spent the day. Was it yesterday? I think it was yesterday, yes. In Santa Cruz with Bruce and his wife Margaret at their home. And it was amazing. And in the process of doing the film, your second 50, I have developed relationship with people that we've become friends. I'll give you an example. Wendy called Osborne from Code Health. Yeah, we became really close friends. I mean we text each other every day. We became good friends with Christian Dropo and his wife Stephanie. We've been in their home in Whitefish, Montana. And I could go on and on. I mean, most of the people who are in the film, we've developed really close relationships.
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All great people.
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And that's what I value the most. What else is there beside the relationships we have with other people?
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That's it, man.
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That's it. You know, and it, it became also very clear during COVID for me, because being in Canada during COVID we were really isolated for many reasons. I guess you understand some of the reasons. I don't know if I can go to, you can say, but I mean, I refused to take that stuff. Okay, so in Canada we were banned. We were like literally hardcore on. Well, we were forbidden to go to restaurants, forbidden to go to the gym, forbidden to leave the country, forbidden to go on a plane for begun to go on a bus. And I said, screw that, I don't care. I'm going, I'm out of the box. I'm going to do my own thing. I'll drive everywhere, I don't care. And I'll eat in the car by sub zero temperatures in the winter at night, traveling to meet, you know, another person I want to interview. Whatever, doesn't matter. But during that time, these relationships we had, I had built around the chiropractic profession in particular, but not just that became so valuable because they also were going through similar experiences. So we were spending hours together on the phone or on zoom, sharing and talking, supporting each other. And that is wonderful. It's so valuable. Makes us stronger and richer. Those.
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Those things that happen in some of those circumstances that were horrible, man, they really brought some really good. They taught you a lot and made you become less reliant on certain aspects and more reliant on yourself or other people. You know what I mean? And that's. That's once again, goes back to taking what looks like a negative and taking something really beautiful out of it. So I'm. I'm assuming that you are always getting something like that with all of this work and getting to travel, because I guarantee, without even asking you, you doing all this travel, especially in an rv, stuff happens constantly.
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Rightly. And lots of challenges. Yeah. Happen. I mean, like, when we came down on that trip, we left Canada. We were in the Okanagan Valley. We have a home in a small town called Oliver. It's really cute there in the middle of vineyards in the desert of the Okanagan. And we start driving and we spend a night somewhere. And then the next morning, I start driving and it's iced. The road is literally. It's a small road to get down to Yakima and then Portland.
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Yeah.
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And it's completely iced. And I'm driving a van. That's.
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It is.
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And I'm thinking, and we have a deadline. We have to be on a specific day, you know, in. In. In California to spend time with Bruce. And that was very important for me, obviously. So here you go. You know, what do you do? You know, so it's. The challenges are there. So we are kind of looking at different ways to drive there, but it comes with a sense of adventure. What's interesting is, can you do that really, when you're 70? So I turn 70. That was one of the motivating factor for me to do the new film, because to turn 70 was kind of traumatic for me. Even though I had done your second 50, the first one, rising above the fears of aging 10 years before. So now I'm turning 70. I'm thinking, hey, Lauren, you better walk your talk. You better implement some of the things you were talking about 10 years ago. But 70 was a number that was hard for me to kind of wrap my head around. I could not believe I don't connect with being 70 years old. So again, the idea is, forget about that. As Dave Asprey says in the film, at some point, when I interviewed Dave Asprey, he said, forget yours. They are old school. I love that quote. They are old School forget that I celebrate a percentage. I don't celebrate birthday. He told me. I celebrate a percentage of my goal. So if my goal is to be 120, I'm only celebrating a percentage of that. That's a good way to forget yours. They are old school. So I kind of. I had to kind of really center myself back into that mindset. Because I'm your second 50. That's like, okay. You know, so it's interesting because people are telling me, like, what. I have people in that that are half my chronological age and are telling me what, you're driving to Florida, you know, could never do that. Well, if you want to do it, you can. Yeah.
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No, you can't. I mean, look, if you want to do anything, you figure out a way to do it, plain and simple. And people. People are so quick to give up and not even try something that they don't even do it. So you guys are. Guys are on the road a lot. So what does a typical year look like for you? Are you just going all over the United States or, like, driving everywhere? Do you ever have a place where you set and stay for a little bit or.
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The place where. For me, that's my boat when I'm in Vancouver. I mean, my office. My office is in Vancouver. The boat is in Vancouver. That's where we are. And outside of that, our home is our van. So when we travel, of course, there was a lot of traveling during the making of your second 50. Listen to the lion. Now it's going to be focusing on online summit thriving in your second 50 that we are launching at the end of February. And for that we don't need to be traveling as much. So once I am back in Vancouver after that trip, think traveling back to the States not going to happen until March or so. I think changing life and destiny is going to be the next place where the film is going to be screened in the US As a big event. So I'll have some time to regroup and do some work that, you know, when I travel is difficult to do sometimes.
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So you're. Are you traveling to go interview people and sit with them and talk with them or what's the.
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When. When. When I film. When I film. Yes. And it's, you know, coordinating with the film crew, organizing all of that and filming the. The visuals, all the scenery, the B rolls, organizing all of that. And I'm going to start the process soon again for the new project. But right now the focus is more on the summit, the online summit, and for that we don't need to travel as much because the interviews, some of the people we haven't captured yet for the summit, we still have three or four weeks maybe to do that. I will do it by zoom. What's the summit so thriving in your second 50, if not now, when is a tagline. So it's a four day summit. My wife Jennifer is the architect of the summit. That's really her thing. And the summit has four different days that are organized around different themes. Okay, so for example, one day is a theme of stem cells, peptides, exosomes, hormones. Another day. Yeah, another day is a theme. The theme of the brain, you know, cognitive health, where we have people like Dr. Bob Proctor, Dr. Dale Bredesen, Dr. David Perlmutter.
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Exactly.
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So. So each day is a different theme. And the goal of the summit, every time we do a film, and this is our second summit, we did one five years ago around our film on chronic pain. So one of our film was on a scale of 1 to 10, I wanted to help people who've been struggling with chronic pain and didn't find a solution. So I wanted to show them out of the box ideas and solutions and modalities and therapies that they may never have considered because they didn't know that's the film. But the problem was most interviews in the film were only two or three minutes. So the idea was, with the summit is to take the whole interviews, edit them a little bit to make them clean, but have people be able to really go deep into what this expert or really wanted to complete.
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These aren't like live talks or anything. You went and recorded interviews, then you're putting these people to watch. Okay, all right. But you got some, some solid names that you're naming off there.
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We have some amazing people. We have some big names, amazing people. But we also have regular people who are not known, but regular people who do amazing things in the second 50. That's great. And that could be in any. It could be in their sport. I'm. I love sports. I think it's amazing. And, you know, my sport is table tennis. I'm actually going to compete in the US Open again in Las Vegas not next week, but the week after. So I'm doing a 4M and so no next week. Next week is a US Open. So I'm going to be competing from Tuesday until Sunday every day at the US Open for the third time.
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Dude, that's sweet. I love it. I love it. Well, so there's a lot of good people and MySpace this space, everything. But there's some people that are kind of money demanding. So I guess my question is, are people, do you have to pay people or do they just do it for you?
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Or like typically in the. The relationship I create that it goes back to. Maybe it's hard to explain, but we've done that for so long. My career in chiropractic really started in the late 1990s. So I used to own that company where we developed a patient education software program. It became really big. We sold the hardware and software and the content to over 3,000 chiropractic clinics all over the world. We had, we had a coaching. We had a coaching program for chiropractors called the Path to Excellence. And then we organized seminars for chiropractors called the Art and Soul of Chiropractic Seminar series. They were weekend long seminars all over North America with really big names. And over the years we've developed really cool relationships. And because of that, I guess when I'm doing a film, I'm lucky that I can pick up the phone and people and call and they say yes if they are available. And we make it happen. So that's kind of the way it has, it has been done. We already have. The cost of making a feature length documentary like that's very high. I was using between the. All the technical, the crew, the travel cost, the editing cost, the buying music. Right, buying. Sometimes we have to buy stock. We try to avoid buying stock because we like to keep our film with a kind of a unique look and feel. So I try to avoid. We try to use our own visual, you know, library basically and create our own visuals for each film. So that's kind of the way we do it. You know, with most of these people money doesn't become an obstacle. It's not there isn't deep for stuff like this. I don't think it should be. No, I like to be more organic, authentic. There has to be a desire. On the other hand as well, it has to be an exchange. And usually, you know, the people I have in the film, they like that concept of your second 50. They want to share things that will help their audience as well navigate the second part of their life better.
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Do we all have ways to make money? When it's an opportunity to be put in front of people and help and get your word out, that's priceless. It shouldn't be needing paid for that. That should be something that you are blessed even have the opportunity to be asked to do. In my view.
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I think so, you know, and I think we. We do good work that so far, all our speakers who are in the film, who have seen the film, they. They're very happy, they love it.
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We all have to work to make money. So people get that Lost in Translation. However, everything doesn't have to be about that. I mean, you're blessed to be in that position to even have somebody want to hear what you have to say. Yeah, that's the way I look at it. I always. I don't care how busy I am. Just like today to get you in here, I had to go bend over backwards. But it was well worth it to me.
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Well, I'm doing. I appreciate that very much.
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You appreciate anything. My point is, is that I wanted to and because, you know, I knew you were. Had one chance to get here and I was like, man, I'm taking advantage of it.
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But it's an interesting thing. And I think we talked about music a little bit. I think you. Oh, I love you.
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Yes, I do. And I am the biggest music fan of the planet. I Listen, man. I DJed several years, but my wife, she'll always ask me, how the hell do you know the words to every song of every genre? And I've got my. If you saw my record collection and CDs at home, you'd be like, dude, what is going on here?
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Well, it's. It's going to be hard to impress me with that.
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You're probably older than me.
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But all my stuff now is in storage because when you live on the boat, it's all in storage for two years. Has been on storage. But. And you know, it's interesting a side note, but at the time I was really attached to all that stuff. Yeah. My books, my music, my records, my CDs, my DVDs, my trophies, my table tennis trophies and medals. You know, I had a. Literally a cave, you know, in the. I understand where all of that was. And it was like kind of my universe.
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Yeah.
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And I thought was my pictures on the wall that were dear to me. And it's been storage for two years. Do I miss it? Not at all. It is not important. No, it doesn't matter because what's important is what's inside of you and that you can take anywhere you go.
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I know.
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B
So. So that is a lesson you learn the hard way as well, potentially. But music is. Is so important for me. That's how I started really listening to my. My parents were really music lovers. My dad was really big on the jazz and New Orleans jazz. He had an amazing collection of 78 RPMs, you know, these very heavy records. And even organized some concerts for Sidney Bechet and some of these musicians. I mean, some of the big name names from the New Orleans jazz, that was his passion. But he was also. He loved classical music. And he loved some of the French very big names of the time. The Georges Brassins, Leo Ferre and all of these big names. So as a kid, I grew up listening and hearing music. And it gave me a very broad music kind of knowledge because I heard jazz, I heard classical, I heard the French song music that was so amazing, poetry and all that. And then I went into that field. So. And to me, music is every day, I would say pretty much every day. I listen to probably at least a couple of hours of the music I really love. And before going to bed, I usually do immerse myself to listening to some pieces of music that uplift me. Or, you know, in a spiritual way, I would say, because it is, in my case, the most direct connection to a spiritual realm of life. The new film, I dedicated it to Van Morrison. Okay, so the new film is dedicated to Van Morrison. As said at the front, a lot of the quotes in the film and the quote that I say in the camera at the end of the film are directly taken from Van Morrison's. Some of Van Morrison's songs. That's awesome. And the song I have playing at the end with the end credits was actually written by his ex wife, Janet Planet Morrison, who was his museum when he did his first albums like Astral Weeks and Moondance and all of that. Tupelo Honey and all of that. And she connected with her and she was excited about the project. She gave me the rights for the song, which I was so grateful. So I hope Van, Van the man, I hope somehow he's going to see the film. And I think through, hopefully through Michael Beckwith with the spiritual, you know, you probably know Michael Beckwith is very close friend of Van Morrison. He actually had Van Morrison sing live at some of his events. So I hope that through him, because I tried through his lawyers and all of that, it's impossible to get through him that way. I have to find another way. But it's. I'm very persistent and very stubborn.
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Gotta be.
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And actually Van Morrison is going to be giving some concerts in. At the end of February in San Francisco. He had one book, it sold out right away. He added another one sold out right away. So now he added a third date, which I'm planning to be at. I'm going to buy some tickets for that. So we'll see. But yes, the connection with music is huge for me.
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I listen to all kinds of music and like Nine Inch Nails was a concert I wanted to see forever and they came here. My wife's never been to any kind of concert like that where it was a little bit harder rock but still really, you know.
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B
What was the band?
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A
Nine Inch Nails.
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B
Oh yeah, sure.
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And so we went and it was. I've been to probably 40, 50 concerts in my life and this was so far beyond. And they're coming back in March and I already bought tickets like to it to go back again. That's how good it was.
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B
Now you're inspiring me to listen to and to watch.
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A
You should listen to it, man. They're coming back in March. What a show. Like, it's a, like a, we say a life altering show because of how amazing it was and the, the music. But my stepson was over recently and, and I was telling him, I said, you don't know what it's like to listen to music on a record player on vinyl. And he never listened to it. And I said okay. As soon as I put that thing on, you should have seen his face. Because to me and I. I was born in the 80s. My dad had a. It was a huge like record and record person. And I've listened to everything. Eight track records, tape CDs, most of the stuff nobody now would listen to. I want your thoughts. But to me there's nothing like listening to a good vinyl. I mean I personally. What do you.
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B
What. Of course you're talking my language. But I. When I said that you don't have that issue because you're a young guy. Chronologically I'm 70. Chronologically. So if I mention that it makes me look like again an old fart or something.
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A
Oh no, no, no, no.
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B
But this is interesting. What you're saying is interesting. There's two things that come to mind. Number one, you're absolutely right. There's nothing like listening to actually a record on a good hi fi system. Yes. Why? Because the, the quality of the vinyl quality gives you a warmth. Yeah. And a rounded sound.
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A
Thank you.
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B
That you cannot get even from a cd. You just cannot. You have on a CD or Spotify, you get more, more of a metallic. It doesn't have warmth to it. There is a price to pay, but I don't think it's a big deal. Yes. Once in a while on the record you may hear some scratches, but it comes with the territory. That's one thing. But the second thing is equally, if not more important in my opinion. When you actually put a record on a turntable, there is actually a process and it's almost like a ritual. For me, it's a ritual. You first of all look at the COVID of the album. Some of his cover are beautiful artwork.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Then there is liner notes. Then you take the record out of the COVID and then you clean it. That's part of the ritual. You clean it with care. Then you put it on the turntable and make sure the needle is clean and put it on and you start and. And it's part of. And if you have friends there and you are excited to share the music with them, they are here, they're sitting down the glass of wine maybe, and they are excited to listen to the album. But. And then you share the. The COVID and they can look at the liner notes. And then before that, there is another part of the experience that I've experienced so much for many years. I would go to a new city, let's say I would park the car, I would locate on a map. We did not have Google maps on the map, paper map where the record stores were. And I would park the car and I would walk sometime for hours to go to a record store and very excited to look into the. The record to find that record that I was looking for for maybe months or years. And so excited and also excited to ask questions to the sales guys in the record store. There's a great movie. I forgot his name. Anyway, great movie that actually is set around the record store. And I think Jack Black is in that film.
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A
Yes, I know what you're talking about.
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B
Yes. Now High Fidelity. Yes, that's it.
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A
Okay, that's it. One of the other things that I really appreciate as much as a music fan as I am when you have a CD and you can just skip songs and so skip songs and skip songs. You turn a record on, you let it play. You don't go up there and you don't want to move the needle around too much because you know you're going to ruin your record and you don't want to mess the weight up on the needle. So we bought a pool table. When I moved into my house in Iowa right after we moved in, and me and my wife had a ritual where we'd go down there and we'd play for like an hour and all I would do was play music. And I realized as much as I thought I knew about music and oh, that's My favorite band or rapper or that's my favorite artist. I was skipping over half the songs because I thought that I didn't like them. And I wanted to keep listening to the same songs over and over. Do you know how much I learned that I missed and that I was
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B
like 100% actually Dylan. If I can say that the most interesting songs or pieces of music sometimes are the ones that do not reveal all their beauty at the first listen.
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A
That's exactly right.
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B
100%.
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A
So my favorite band is Stone Temple Pilots. It's to me, it's them and everybody else. Like, that's how I rate.
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B
That's like, now you're motivating me. You inspire me to also listen to them.
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A
Yes, you have to.
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B
Well, send me some links.
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A
I'll send you everything. I'll do it right when we're done.
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B
Is I the music documentary. So, I mean, I. That's really my space.
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A
It is the. They are the best of the best. And I think you'll understand when you listen to them. So they had a certain style of music and it's like alternative music where it's not too heavy, but there's. There's some. There's some heaviness to. It's. It's grunge era music in the 90s. And then they came out with this album called Tiny Music. And it was completely different. And at the time I was like, oh, man. You know, I was in eighth grade and I didn't grasp it. You know, my favorite album is now, after I listen to it is Tiny Music.
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B
This is the thing when. When artists, great artists, great musicians, they go one way and usually they want to innovate, they want to change. They get tired of doing the same stuff. That's the stuff that maybe the record house wants them to do because it works, it's successful, but it doesn't satisfy them at a creative level anymore. You know Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys? This is why he did Pet Songs. The Beach Boys had all these huge hits and they were cruising. And he came up with that concept album, Pet Songs like wow. And his band may say, why do you want to die? Are you crazy? He had that drive, that desire to innovate, do something different. The greatest musicians, they usually don't stay stuck in doing always the same thing. And I think that's maybe why you've discovered the beauty and behind that album that at first didn't reveal itself. So I was really lucky to be able for my music documentary to Life, Death and Beyond the music of Magma. To have Robert Trujillo, the bass player from Metallica, agree to be interviewed in his home in Venice, California. And to have JLo Biafra, the dead Kennedys. I interviewed him at 4 in the morning in San Francisco. It was amazing. Guy is crazy, but I love him. He's a genius. You know, he was really maybe the first punk rocker, you know. So we have all these, these amazing musicians. Tray Gunn from King Crimson. Doing that film was an extraordinary adventure.
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But over time, people do tire of it. They just do. They don't relate nearly as much. So you, you have to almost reinvent yourself over and over. It's like a character on a movie or you do too many comedies and then it's like, oh, it's not so funny anymore. You know what I mean? And like, and if you, what I find to be the most satisfying and successful is to be able to step out of the box and do something different and resonate and then go, People go, oh, then you can always go back to doing that because then they
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B
miss it some sometimes, you know, you see great actors doing that. Yeah, well, they are typecast in doing just comedy, for example, and they step out of their comfort zone and they do a movie where it is like a drama and their role is really more tragedy than comedy.
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Yeah.
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Many people have done it. Jim Carrey has done it. Robin Williams, so many, so many more. And for them, you know, at the creative level, it's very satisfying. Yeah.
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A
But even if it doesn't work, you can still go back and people will miss what you didn't want you to go back. Otherwise. People get accustomed to stuff. They take it for granted. It becomes stale. And so when you do that, you may smash or you may just get them wanting you to go back again.
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B
It's that ties together. When we talked about how to find new sources of energy. Yeah. There's a new source of energy when you step out of your comfort zone.
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A
Right.
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B
You bring something new.
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A
So how do you relate that to what you do?
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B
By a hundred percent. How do I relate it? All I've done is changing stuff in my life. I think even today keep like for example, the buying an RV and for the last two years going on the road. This is new it, I went out of my comfort zone. It's like, you know, so why not.
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A
How many states have you been to?
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B
I, I, I would say probably 25, maybe more.
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A
Where have you been? That would have sounded like a place
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B
on this last two years, because I've done more states. Probably gone Everywhere. But in the last two years, I would say, yeah, everywhere is where would
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A
would you say you've been that surprised you the most in terms of a place you maybe would have never even considered going or never thought of going. And you got there and were like, whoa, this is amazing.
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B
But they. I find beauty. I try to find beauty in every scenery in every little town we drive through. You know, I had like states like Alabama. I had never gone to Alabama, Mobile and Alabama, like, you know, and, and I drive through it, I say, wow, this is, this is very nice. And I like meeting people. And I, I'm the kind of guy, I strike a conversation anywhere with anybody. I just love. I go and I talk to people. Yeah, I just love it. And you never know. Sometimes you really have connections that start just from a random. You meet somebody on the parking lot when you park your RV and you start chatting. I like your dog or like your car, whatever. And then you start a conversation. Yeah, it's very interesting.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I think it's because I love to tell stories.
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A
There's a lot of beauty that God has made out there if you take the time to look. I always used to think it was so lame to look at scenery and look at this and that. And I've realized that's actually the best part of my day now is when I look, when I do this simple drive now. Just when I go to the gym from my house and it's all skyline and mountain and I'm just sitting there going, man, I am really blessed to be able to look.
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B
Yeah. And I think to answer your question more fully, where I've seen the most beauty consistently is probably in the state of California outside of British Columbia, which is so stunningly beautiful. And the Rocky Mountains in Alberta. I would say the state of California has so much to offer. I have been also stunned to see how beautiful Monument Valley is. Monument Valley, the Grand Canyon? Yeah. It's amazing. You know, Monument Valley, driving on these highway with this red earth and these structures coming out of the ground literally blew me away. I think it, it's one of the most spiritual places. And I love New Mexico. Yeah, we love Santa Fe, but it's all, it's all beautiful. I mean, you know, except Kansas. Trust the worst driving, driving through Kansas. I don't, I don't wish it to my worst enemy.
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A
I was going to say Nebraska and Kansas are the two worst of the worst.
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B
Sorry. If there are anybody from cancer, I'm
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A
saying, bro are all depressed too, even hearing it. So trust me, you Know what? One always surprised me because when you think of California, because you brought that up, you always think of the beach and the sun. But when you get up into Northern California and you really get up north, like, way north.
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B
The red. What? The Redlands. What's it called? Yeah.
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A
Then you. Yes, yes. And you get into those big redwood trees and the big forest.
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B
Yes.
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A
Even San Francisco is north, but that's not really north. I'm.
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B
We did Highway 1 north of some point, and that's insane. Oh, it's stunningly beautiful, but literally, it's a very difficult, challenging road, especially with an rv.
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A
Yeah, true.
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B
But it is stunning.
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A
It's beautiful. I just did a podcast, and I flew to Spokane and I drove to Idaho. And I'm telling you, I was like. I call. I was like, this is God's.
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B
Boise is beautiful.
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A
Well, I drove into Sandpoint, right over the border there. And I mean, this lake or whatever.
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B
Montana is beautiful. Yes, it's Montana.
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A
Oh, I. Those are state. I always want to go to the beach every year. And I told my wife, we're done. We're gonna go see some other cool stuff. I. I love the beach. I would, but I want to go see more of, like, what we're talking. It's beautiful. And I bet when you do a documentary or something, and you get to go to all these places and see people's backgrounds and then the different environments
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B
and everything, but it's also because, to me, nature in the film, I would say we have all our great, amazing characters, experts, speakers, whatever name you want to give them. But there are two other main characters in the film. One is music, and the other one is scenery. Nature. Nature is omnipresent in pretty much all of my films because I think nature, I always say nature and love are the two greatest healing powers.
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A
I agree.
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B
And also, nature is beside music, is how I connect with a spiritual dimension of life. So that's one of the reasons why we spend so much time traveling physically through states like Montana and Idaho and filming in California. Not necessarily the beach, but areas that are more remote. Yeah. Going and filming the Rocky Mountains, the Canadian Rockies, and. And rainforest in British Columbia. It's just because I. It's also. I like people to travel when they see the film. Doing a documentary for me should not be. I'm not interested in doing a collection of talking heads. In other words, an interview, then another interview, and that doesn't interest me. I want people to have some kind of experience when they watch a film. This is why there is a Comedian. In my film Humor, I had a comedian in my first or second 50 as well. So I want to make people laugh. I want them to travel. They see that scenery. Why, this is beautiful. Where is that? We should go there. Get them to dream about traveling, get them to laugh, get them to listen to beautiful music. It all complements whatever we want to say in the film.
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Absolutely. Man, I can't believe we're on, like, the conversation because we, I mean, I always just have conversation on here, but I could just like, just with you all day, man. And it's good because I feel really good about where it goes because it always feels like we're touching on something important for life. Everything we talked about, I mean, because when we're talking here, we're breaking down, like deeper detail into what we're talking about. And that's what I'm. From the moment I met you, that's what I enjoyed because it's. I have great conversations with people all the time, but the depth of the conversation and what am I pulling out of it, what am I, what am I gaining from the conversations is just fun. Sure, they get a lot of those. But what can I take home with me later? I pulled like 85 different things out of you in an hour that I'm going to take home and I'll resonate with you.
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B
Well, thank you. That's a great compliment.
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A
Well, it is. And it's. It's a pleasure to have you here. And, And I don't give that compliment because I don't have those kind of conversations a lot, you know, and that to me is more valuable than as, as great as hearing about.
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B
We could talk about stem cells and all of that. So many people talk about it better than I can, but for me is
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A
great because that's great too, because everybody has to learn about it. But when you can just like get so many things to resonate with that teach you about different aspects of life. I can coach all day on health. I can coach all day on your mind and everything. Sometimes people just need to pull some, some, some things out of a conversation that just everyday life affect them or that they don't have to study so hard or understand the science. They can just go, man, that helped because it resonated and it made you feel good and it made you look at other parts of life.
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B
That's exactly.
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A
Yes. You know, and so we got a little bit of both today. So your conversation was double valuable to me. It really was. So moving forward, what are. Aside from your summit now that you were talking about. When is that? And then what can we expect moving forward?
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B
So the summit is going to be launching at the end of February. People can watch the film for free and automatically be enrolled into watching the summit for free while it's live. The summit will be end of February. The film, they can watch it for free pretty much any day now. I think our website is going live any day. The website is your second 50 life and it's all spelled out in words. There's no letter, so it's yoursecond50life.com and then people can go on film and they can click on watch the film for free and they put their email address and they have the film. They don't need to give a credit card. There is no gimmicks. It's just completely free, no commitment. And so the summit. Very exciting to have the summit going as well. At the end of Ferrari, it will be live. All the information. Once they register to get to watch the film, they will receive emails notifying about the summit. And at the same time, I'm already starting to plan the next project, which will be around your second 50 concept as well, but in another dimension.
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A
Got it. So that's going to consume a lot of your next several years then, basically. Right?
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B
Well, we'll see. I mean, the next two years for sure. I, you know, it's. I don't like to project myself too much in the future. I kind of think more like one week at a time. But I just want to do things that excite me and motivate me. And I want to do things that I believe is going to have the same impact on other people. If it excites me, I know there are people out there who will be excited as well.
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A
So are you kind of getting used to now, this kind of moving around lifestyle and traveling around?
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B
That doesn't bother me at all. I think one of the keys to aging is we have to keep moving. Yeah, physically, mentally, we have to keep moving. I think the big problem when you see people in their 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s is they become rigid. They become rigid physically. The physical body becomes stiff and they become. There is some rigidity in the mind that happens as well. So for me, the trick is to keep moving. And table tennis for me is fantastic that way. Because you're fully engaged physically, it's very demanding physically. People think ping pong playing in the basement. No, table tennis at the US Open level is very demanding physically. The whole body is engaged. The knees, the hips, the torso, the, the arm. The everything is engaged and the brain.
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A
Well, where do you play if you're traveling all the time?
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B
I play, actually. I located the club in Phoenix. I travel with all my gear with me, and I play all over the United States, all over Canada. I play in Europe. I always have my gear with me. So I locate the closest. I mean, the table tennis clubs, and then I go and meet the local players and play with them. I have a ranking in the US I have a ranking in Canada, so I can play pretty much anywhere. And that's great. So I think to keep moving,
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A
next time you're down, invite me to play. I mean, you should kick my ass, but fine, I'll play.
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B
That's not the point. It's. The point is to have great rallies together and to have a good time.
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A
That's it. I'm a. I. I used to play a lot. I'm a tennis player, but I. I always take it to either pickleball or ping pong, so I'd love to play, man. That'll be fun. That would be awesome. Well, dude, I can't believe the time flew so fast on us, but I guess it did. So is there any other places people can follow you online or where they could keep up with.
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B
Well, we have the Facebook group, your second 50. We have an Instagram group, of course. Page. We have our YouTube channel. We have my LinkedIn, your second. Sorry, Laurent Goldstein on LinkedIn. So we have several ways, but the website, yoursecond50life.com is really the hub. Thought of that.
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A
Okay, we'll link everything in the description for you then. And man, great, great time talking with you. I really appreciate you coming and I'm so glad that I was introduced to you and got to meet you, and hopefully we have a lot more conversations down the road. I feel pretty good about that. So thank you so much again. Like I said, everybody, I hope this was inspirational, and I definitely recommend that you check out everything that my man Lauren is doing. He is amazing, as you can see. Oh. That being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Jelli signing off.
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B
Thank you very much.