Podcast Summary: The Empire Never Ended

Episode 337: Order of Nine Angles – From Combat 18 to 764

Hosts: Boris Mamlëz & Rey Katula
Date: September 9, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode sees Boris and Rey return to one of the show’s main subject matters: the Order of Nine Angles (09A, O9A), a group at the intersection of occultism and neo-Nazism, infamous for its bizarre beliefs, history of violence, and connections to more recent nihilistic and extremist networks such as Temple of Blood, Atomwaffen Division, and 764. Sparked by contemporary events (notably, a mass shooting in Minneapolis with alleged 09A links), the hosts provide a comprehensive, myth-busting history and context of the movement, tackling both online panic and underground realities of the group.

“We try to maintain this balance between having a more sober look at these people—not going into the mythology they’re trying to create, but also not to take them completely lightly and just as clowns.”
— Rey [05:21]

Main Discussion Points & Insights

1. Assessing the "Nazi Satanist" Panic

• Minneapolis Shooting Context (01:54–11:14):
  • Recent mass shooting in Minneapolis Catholic school led to online speculation about 09A or 764 influence due to the shooter’s imagery and symbolism.
  • Boris reviewed the killer’s journals (notably written in English using Cyrillic script) and found little direct evidence for 09A influence—no septagrams, no sigils typical of the group.
  • The shooter appeared to be more a product of the broader “edgelord online mass shooter fandom” than a direct 09A follower.
• Hosts’ Stance:
  • While these groups are dangerous and have participated in violence, their real influence is often overstated, especially by media hungry for a Satanic Fascist panic.
  • The hosts urge listeners to analyze evidence critically and not to “believe the hype” or elevate the groups’ mythic self-image.

2. Origins: David Myatt and British Neo-Nazism

• David Myatt’s Background (12:10–24:12):
  • British neo-Nazi active since the late 1960s, closely tied to militant fringes like the British Movement (Colin Jordan) and Combat 18.
  • Comes from a somewhat privileged background, possibly with connections to the British colonial apparatus.
  • Myatt is “a complete liar” and a self-mythologizer, but his deep neo-Nazi credentials are well-documented.
• Fascist Networks and Gladio Myths (19:03–22:35):
  • Column 88, a paramilitary group tied to some UK military and Gladio conspiracy theories, sometimes linked to Myatt and Jordan.
  • The podcast is skeptical of direct gladio coordination, but acknowledges real connections between state apparatus and Nazi paramilitaries.

“He was a Nazi. I mean, that's for sure what he is.”
— Rey [12:23]

3. Dual Role: Occultism and Neo-Nazism

• Order of Nine Angles as a Synthesis (29:09–34:59):
  • O9A blends lifted elements from Wicca, Crowley, Church of Satan, and sci-fi into a Nazi worldview.
  • Core myth comes from claimed initiation into an ancient British coven (obviously fictitious) and a vision of a “Galactic Imperium” led by the Aryan “Vindex.”
  • Myatt’s key “philosophical” innovation is the separation from Church of Satan’s materialist Satanism into open embrace of “real” evil—transgression, taboo-breaking, and active embrace of cruelty (including murder and worse).

“Its originality is in that they're so kind of stupid, they actually say no, we actually are for all of those things… we do human sacrifice, we are evil and so on.”
— Rey [36:50]

• Insight Roles and Nexions (40:12–43:34):
  • “Insight roles” are exercises in “becoming Ubermensch”—members undertake deep infiltration of contrary groups, up to and including monastic orders or communist organizations.
  • Nexions: Local cell-like groups with vague metaphysical and organizational meaning.

4. Internet Proliferation and Americanization

• From British Cult to Online Subculture (43:17–56:00):
  • 90s–00s: O9A’s online presence is initially tiny—Yahoo groups, scattered “nexions” in English-speaking countries.
  • Most “official” group activities are role-play by Myatt under sockpuppets; notable American nexions include White Star and Temple of Blood.
• Temple of Blood and Joshua Caleb Sutter (50:29–56:33):
  • Joshua Sutter, a veteran of American Nazi, Christian Identity, and Aryan Nations scenes, takes over Temple of Blood, injecting it with new nihilism, vampirism, and extreme violence aesthetics.
  • Sutter’s background includes being a preacher’s son, working in his father’s racist shop, and later being exposed as a long-term FBI informant—FBI-funded, in effect, much of Temple of Blood’s output.

“What ends up giving the 09A a foothold in the Neo Nazi movement is sponsored directly by the FBI.”
— Boris [65:10]

5. Link to Atomwaffen Division and the 2010s Nazi Accelerationism

• Rise of Atomwaffen (61:16–67:28):
  • Atomwaffen Division (AWD), founded in 2013, integrates Temple of Blood influence deeply.
  • Books like Iron Gates (Martinet Press) become required reading, blending apocalyptic Nazism, extreme violence, and occult grotesquery.
  • Sutter, as an FBI informant, is deeply involved in Atomwaffen’s leadership and direction.
  • The O9A myth finally meets reality: for the first time, substantial neo-Nazi violence draws on O9A’s imagery/theology.

6. Collapse & Fragmentation: The Snitch Revelation and Aftermath

• After Sutter’s Exposure (70:52–75:32):
  • 2020s: Atomwaffen founders arrested; Sutter’s informant status becomes public; O9A/Temple of Blood’s credibility collapses.
  • Former AWD splits repeatedly: National Socialist Order, Satanic Front, National Socialist Order of Nine Angles, with varying degrees of “pro-Sutter” and “anti-Sutter” stances.
  • American splinters begin to openly diss David Myatt as an “irrelevant British nerd” in favor of “authentically evil” American Satanism.

7. The Emergence of 764 and New Levels of Nihilism

• Rise and Notoriety of 764 (75:49–79:55):
  • 764 adopts O9A/Temple of Blood/Atomwaffen-style nihilism but elevates it, focusing on the distribution of child abuse and predation, blackmail, and suicide incitement.
  • Their explicit embrace of “being a piece of shit” is a development out of the pro-Sutter camp; several leaders have since been arrested.
  • 764 is tied to some actual mass shooters.

8. Mythology vs. Reality: How Dangerous/Influential Is O9A?

• Media Myths and Actual Threat (85:42–90:29):
  • Myth: “Global Nazi Satanic conspiracy” radicalizing youth into mass terrorism.
  • Reality: A network of cosplaying nerds, edgelords, and dangerous criminals—real, but small, and driven more by online affect than structural power.
  • Actual state involvement is limited and often a result of the typical historical overlap between the state, informants, and Nazi clusters.

“It’s important to also see them as, like, morons. And... in the case of Myatt, an absolutely insufferable, like, nerd who will come when he's summoned and write just pages and pages of gibberish because they want to be seen as evil. They want to be seen as dangerous and important. And I think we should not promote their vision of themselves as much as possible.”
— Boris [87:14]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Edgelord Nature of O9A:
  “It’s a kind of a teenage edgelord reading of Nietzsche.” — Rey [37:18]

• Describing David Myatt:
  “He described himself as looking like an English country gentleman.” — Rey [26:10]

• On FBI Infiltration:
  “All of this is paid for by the US Government, which is just amazing. Pretty crazy.” — Boris [65:53]

• On Sutter’s Legacy:
  “There are people who had no problems with completely, you know, embracing the legacy of a snitch.” — Rey [73:24]

• On Atomwaffen Crossover:
  “With those groups, really for the first time, you actually have, in reality, something like what the Order of Nine Angles, you know, claimed or wanted to be.” — Rey [68:25]

• Mythology vs. Banality:
  “If Joshua Satter was some important operative for the state, the state wouldn't out him as a snitch... if he was, like, some very serious operative for the Deep State, he would never be in such a position.” — Rey [91:31]

Key Timestamps

• 00:57–03:48: Introductions, context for the episode
• 01:54–11:14: Minneapolis shooting—the hosts’ investigation and skepticism of 09A influence
• 12:10–24:12: David Myatt’s biography; the British Nazi movement’s lineage
• 29:09–36:21: O9A’s “uniqueness,” core beliefs, obsession with evil/transgression, and Nazi esotericism
• 40:12–43:01: “Insight role” and “Nexions” explained
• 43:17–50:51: The American O9A nexions—Yahoo chats, White Star, Temple of Blood origins
• 50:51–62:29: Joshua Sutter, Temple of Blood, and ties to Aryan Nations/Christian Identity; his exposure as FBI informant
• 61:16–67:28: Atomwaffen Division, Iron Gates, the O9A “canon,” and the first real cross-pollination of Satanism and Nazi accelerationism
• 70:52–75:32: Collapse after Sutter-outing, splits and infighting, emergence of “pro-snitch” and “anti-snitch” factions
• 75:49–79:55: 764 and the new era of nihilism, mass shooter cults
• 85:42–90:29: Discussion of media, myth, and the group’s real vs. imaginary impact
• 93:24–94:51: On the state's role and the banality of "deep state" speculation

Summary Tone & Final Thoughts

Language and Tone:
Wry, darkly humorous, and deeply informed. The hosts repeatedly emphasize a sober, critical, and sometimes mocking approach to the subject matter—intent on neither inflating threats nor underestimating the potential for harm.

Final Message:
O9A, Temple of Blood, Atomwaffen, and 764 are products of wider crisis and depravity. They are both less and more than media myth: small but impactful, idiotic and dangerous, as much about online image as real-world violence. Understanding and countering these groups requires clarity, not panic or credulous fear.

“Keep a cool head when looking at it. That's all I'll say. As much as possible. Because it is maddening. It will drive you crazy and it's horrible.”
— Boris [96:28]

For further exploration, the hosts direct listeners to their back catalog and promise continuing coverage on these and related topics.