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Melody Thomas
Kia Ora Koutou. Hello and welcome back to the Good Sex Project. I'm Melody Thomas, and while season three of the podcast officially launches very, very soon, we're going to kick things off a little differently this time with a few entrees to tide you over until the main course arrives. So without further ado, this drum roll courtesy of my butt. Welcome to Love Bites. Love Bites are standalone stories from the Good Sex Project, featuring one person or one couple sharing intimate experiences from their very real lives. They're short and sweet, but as always with the Good Sex Project, we still go deep. We're going to release one Love buy every week between now and the season three launch and the stories we've selected touch on everything from long term monogamy to non monogamy, queerness and kink, to illness and disability, late virginity to masculinity. If this is your first time here, welcome. There's still plenty of time after this episode to jump into seasons one and two before season three's upon us. And if you've been listening for quite a while, it's so nice to have you back. Today's episode is for the lovers. Those of you trying your best to keep your connection good even when life seems intent on eroding it.
Sarah
I was never instigating sex, I just didn't have capacity for it.
Melody Thomas
And who are open to trying something new.
Tim Spengler
Have you ever had an orgasm without
Melody Thomas
ejaculating in order to find your way back to each other?
Sarah
We're pretty blown away with where it's gone. Like we're having the best sex of our lives.
Melody Thomas
Welcome to Love Bites from the Good Sex Project. I'm Melody Thomas and it's time to get started.
Tim Spengler
I am Lane Bunker. I am a jack of all trades, I'd say married to this beautiful woman for 20 years.
Sarah
I'm Sarah. We have three lovely children. But what we found is that having three lovely children can change things in the sex department. And we've done a lot of work together and made quite the discoveries over the last five years.
Melody Thomas
Lane and Sarah are in their early 40s. They live in a lovely light filled house in the Bay of Plenty. And their love story starts more than two decades ago when the collagen was plumping and the dance floor was thumping.
Sarah
Okay, this is my story to tell. I was in the club and I looked across the room and I saw someone with a hoodie on. And I used to enjoy at parties going up to people and doing silly things. So I bounced up to this person and put his hood over his head and then bounced off.
Melody Thomas
Classic early 20s flirting behavior. One level up from stealing boys hats in high school.
Sarah
And then later I went back up to him and I just said, I've just broken up with my boyfriend, I don't want to have sex with you and I don't want another boyfriend. I just want to be your friend. Put your number in my phone.
Tim Spengler
Yeah, that was a Saturday. We went for a walk around the Mount on the Wednesday. We've been going around with each other ever since.
Melody Thomas
Lane's making it all sound like it went a bit smoother than it did because when these two met they were actually in quite different places and the transition from meet cute to couple was a bit rocky.
Tim Spengler
Funnily enough, I married my first ever girlfriend.
Melody Thomas
He means Sarah. Before her, Lane hadn't really been in a serious relationship.
Tim Spengler
I at that point was into music and I was quite focused on that. So I needed certain amounts of my own space.
Sarah
Whereas I was back to back long term relationships. So I think I came into our relationship like full steam ahead, like most things I do. But the expectations were high.
Melody Thomas
The way Sarah describes it, she was acting like they'd been together for years, but it had actually been weeks.
Sarah
Laine said to me, look, I'm really into you, but I'm gonna run for the hills if this continues the intensity. And I was like, whoop, I'm so keen on this person. It's so easy. So I was like, okay, I'll just chill, I'll just chill.
Melody Thomas
But it was hard to be chill when Lane was so hot.
Sarah
I was keen as mustard to be like, let's get it on. And Layne was like, I'm really into you, but I want to make sure I am before we have sex. So you have to wait two weeks. And I was thinking two weeks felt like two years. And then the first night that we got it on, we did it like seven times. We were like magnets. Like, I remember one night we had to sleep in separate beds because we just couldn't sleep.
Melody Thomas
From first getting together, Sarah and Lane followed a fairly well worn path. They travelled together overseas, came home, got a puppy. They had a few kids and started a couple of businesses. But with the increase in adult responsibilities, other things began to fall off the radar, like date nights, dancing, travel and
Sarah
sex, I guess breastfeeding and low energy, just the mother load. I just never thought about it like ever. And so I was never instigating sex. And I just didn't have capacity for it.
Melody Thomas
It's super common for parents of young children to have less sex and for breastfeeding parents especially to feel touched out and not in the mood.
Sarah
Lane would bring it up and we'd talk about it. And I was looking at him thinking, I love you just as much as I always have, if not more. You're really hot. So what is happening here? And I'd go off and just wouldn't think about it again.
Melody Thomas
But Lane was thinking about it. In fact, he was doing even better than that. He was researching.
Tim Spengler
I was interested in learning about fostering desire in long term relationships. I'm committed to this one. I want to feel alive in it.
Melody Thomas
Lane and Sarah are the kind of couple you can imagine meeting at a yoga festival, hitting it off over a cup of ceremonial cacao. So it makes sense that Lane's research led him to books that explore sex and relationships through a philosophical and spiritual framework. He was specifically drawn to 90s new age sex positive self help books. One, the Way of the Superior man by David Deida and the other, the Multi Orgasmic man by Montok Chia and Douglas Abrams. If those titles make you raise your eyebrows, that's what happened to me too. Both books have been criticised for pseudo scientific claims, gender essentialism and heteronormativity. But nonetheless, lots of people have found them really helpful, including Lane.
Tim Spengler
They taught me a lot about circulating energy. It was a good way for me to actually control a little bit of my libido, which generally has always been quite high, and actually use it as an energy source rather than. Yeah, rather than getting frustrated.
Melody Thomas
Plus, these books taught him how to do this nifty trick.
Tim Spengler
Have you ever had an orgasm without ejaculating? Most men haven't. Both of those books pretty much teach you. And then I guess went and did some practice and then found my own way with that one. Yeah.
Melody Thomas
While Lane was practising, Sarah started her own research.
Sarah
I basically did a deep dive into desire pleasure to discover, like, is this normal? Because while I'm a massive oversharer, it was something that I didn't talk about with my girlfriends, like, hey, are you having sex in your marriage? I started to be more interested in other people's stories, listening to podcasts, reading books, realising I'm not the only one, that this is like an epidemic of, you know, people in long term relationships not having the sex lives that they want.
Melody Thomas
Epidemic's a strong word, but Sarah is right that this is a really common experience with people in long term relationships. And, you know, while on the one hand there's no shortage of Esther Pareau advice, content and courses and apps aimed at addressing this very thing, it's also not talked about very much by the people who are actually experiencing it, which can leave people feeling really alone in their struggles. It doesn't help that almost every depiction of desire and lust shown in books, movies and TV is the spontaneous I just want to rip your clothes off type.
Sarah
And I guess I was expecting to just feel it because that's how it used to be or that's how it is on the movies or that's how you want it to be.
Melody Thomas
One book that really helped Sarah to shift her thinking was Emily Nagoski's Come as yous Are this is a hugely influential book on women's sexuality that explains how desire works and why the context and circumstances around sex often matter as much as the sex itself. We've actually interviewed Emily Nagoski a couple of times in past seasons, so a few want to hear this amazing information straight from the source. Go and dig those out. But in the book Come as yous Are, Nagoski explains that there's another type of desire that's just as normal, just as valid, called responsive desire. Unlike spontaneous take me right now desire, responsive desire shows up later and more slowly. It often requires dipping your toes into a sensual or sexual situation first. And then comes the heat. Sarah figured that this was probably the type of desire that was more readily accessible to her at this time in her life. But the problem was, anytime Lane tried to initiate physical intimacy, her anxiety would spike.
Sarah
You know, you can feel kind of a man's horniness, and it can be almost like a pressure. If Lane had come up to me and tried to sort of give me a big pass, my brain would just be like, he wants to have sex tonight. And then you get a bit like, oh, I don't know if I want to have sex. I don't know if I can meet your needs. And ah, get away from me. And he was always like, oh, I was just trying to give you a kiss. But I just read so much more into it. If I meant to get from where I am here as a tired mum to being, like, super keen to have sex, that literally feels like the Grand Canyon.
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There's so many couples who feel like they're stuck on either side of a canyon, like Sarah and Lane, opening up these conversations, taking to books and podcasts with curiosity and a Willingness to learn. These are incredible tools. They won't close the gap immediately, but they can start to build a bridge. Which is what happened for Lane and Sarah. One night out of the blue, after they'd put the kids to bed and done a little stretching, we did the
Sarah
yoga side by side. And then I just felt so in my body and I looked at Lane and I thought, huh, I could actually entertain the idea of connecting tonight.
Melody Thomas
So they did connect, and it was pretty good. As our gal Adrienne says, showing up on the mat is the most important thing. If you know, you know from there. Lane and Sarah made a commitment to show up at least once a week. Not for an extravagant date night. Just a night at home with just the two of them.
Tim Spengler
No kids, no shop talk, no phone, no tv.
Sarah
Like it's lock on the door. We call them naked nights.
Melody Thomas
Oh, and no clothing. But if you want to try this, that part's optional.
Sarah
It can literally be just heart to heart hugs and that's it. If that's all you've got capacity for. But the idea is to just be together. And that could be actually really clunky and awkward at first because you haven't even eyeballed each other in the last week. There could be resentment there, like with the mother load and not feeling supported. But I think even just coming together in that moment, even if it's a hand massage or a foot massage, one of the things that came up for us in terms of naked night was making sure that I had like a mother to lover transition time. Because you're hard pressed to go from the chaos of the day to like, I'm so relaxed and ready for pleasure. So for us it might have been the yoga together, or it's like, I'll go and have a hot shower and just come back to myself after the busy day so that I'm ready to connect.
Melody Thomas
Do you need that transition period as well, or are you pretty okay to just go straight from the chaos to.
Tim Spengler
That's an interesting question, actually, because if I'm stressed, I'm often quite keen to have sex because I know that it will take me out of my head. Like it's something that I'll be able to drop into quite easily and then whatever I'm thinking about will actually just be gone. And so we definitely have to meet on the middle in that regard.
Melody Thomas
And what is sex if not meeting in the middle, literally? Here's the other major change that Sarah and Lane made that completely transformed their post kids sex life. They threw out that Old straight person sex recipe. You know, the one that dictates what sex is supposed to look like and the order that you're supposed to do things, as well as the expectation that it's all leading up to penetration.
Sarah
Almost like retraining the programming. Lane would say, like, there's no end goal here. Let's just make each other feel good, can stop at any time, keep the comms going and no expectations that this even needs to end in sex.
Tim Spengler
So the open communication allowed for a lot more freedom and play, just to know that that's all it might be.
Melody Thomas
Remember, Lane had also mastered the non ejaculatory orgasm by this point.
Sarah
So that was actually huge, you doing that work. I feel like if every man could do that work, their sex lives would just be dramatically improved. What that brings me is the reassurance that we can just let go and explore and play for as long as we like without being like, oh, oh, I'm gonna ejaculate. And then that might signal the end or the end of what we're doing. In that moment, I was like, this is amazing because then it made me feel like I've got all the time in the world, you know, we've got all the time in the world. We just flow with each other and find as much pleasure as we can.
Tim Spengler
We've gotten to a place where I feel totally comfortable to express my wants, needs, desires in the bedroom. And I think for men, there's actually quite a lot of shame around that because I'm quite a giver sometimes. I could ought actually even find it hard to just completely receive. I learned that it could be about me as well. And that took some practice, but practice they did.
Melody Thomas
And over time, as they practised and talked and took their time with each other, reflecting afterwards on what went well and what didn't, things started to move from good to really, really good.
Sarah
I do actually remember, I think it was about maybe a year after we started all the learning around sex and desire. And Lane was mowing the lawns with his shirt off. And I remember standing there and actually feeling like spontaneous desire, you know, between my legs. And I was like, oh, my God, it's back. And I realized, like, I hadn't had that in so long, I almost cried because it was like, oh, we're back together, body. And that's the thing. I think people think my libido's gone, you know, and they give up. If you take the baby steps and you work together, slowly but surely the revival happens.
Tim Spengler
Post kids can be a good Time.
Sarah
Yeah, well, this is it. We're pretty blown away with where it's gone. Like we're now, like we're having the best sex of our lives. You know, when we met, we would have said that. But yeah, which is pretty cool.
Melody Thomas
20 years together and having the best sex of your lives is pretty cool. Sarah and Lane reached out to share their story because it serves as proof that provided you're both willing to give it a go, you can find a way from disconnected to connect it, just like they have. And they're not just talking to us about that. They're spreading the message within their own circles as well.
Tim Spengler
I think a lot of my mates have appreciated the conversations that I've instigated in the last five years because they're not used to having them. I run a landscape construction company and within reason, I only employ my mates. And some of the conversations that have been bandied about on site, talking about non ejaculatory orgasms on the work site, Lunch break, just. Yeah, it took me a long time to get to that stage. I'm proud about the intergenerational shift that I've made from where my father and his friends would have been at my age, because it's quite a change for Sarah.
Melody Thomas
The conversations also began with friends, but they quickly spread beyond that as I
Sarah
was experiencing more pleasure. It was so liberating. I was like, ah, I've got this newfound joy within my whole body. And so I started talking to people, you know, strangers on dance floors about where they were at and people would open up to me. And I thought, this needs to be talked about more. We need to be having these honest conversations. That's why I thought I'd just start an Instagram to do exactly that, to get the conversations going, to try and help women get more excited about their sex lives.
Melody Thomas
If you're curious, Sarah's Instagram page is called Libido Liberation.
Sarah
Because I have a lot of people come up to me randomly and be like, oh, I follow you. What you've put out there has really helped us. You know, we've started the naked nights, or we have a new rule where there's no admin in bed. Keep the bed for the good stuff. So it's been fun, it's been a cool journey for me and a way to connect in with other mums on that topic.
Tim Spengler
And at some point when it was all up and running and she was talking to everyone, she asked me if I was okay with it.
Sarah
I was like, oops, hold on, this is not just my journey. I was like, oh, you married me. You know what you're in for.
Melody Thomas
Sexual connection isn't an important part of every relationship. For some people, the perfect amount of sex is none or just a little every now and then. But for those who do see sex as an important part of both connection to others and expression of self, it's well worth facing up to some brave conversations, letting yourself be vulnerable and doing your research and seeing if you can't just find a way to come together. Meet in the middle, as it were. If you do, you might just find that, like Sarah and Lane, the joy and pleasure you find together in that space overflows into your wider life as well.
Sarah
That's the thing that I've found, is that as we've gotten more and more out of our comfort zone and tried new things in the bedroom and learned about things and then given it a go, and I feel like the energy of a better sex life just filters out to the rest of your life so that you're the one, you know, doing those things that you didn't used to do, which just adds to the invigoration.
Tim Spengler
Life just feels more adventurous, I think. Yeah.
Melody Thomas
Nearly every conversation that we have for the Good Sex Project finishes with the same question. Well, it's kind of more of a prompt. Good sex is this season because we've been doing this for a little while. I feel like we're ready to graduate from good sex to amazing sex or incredible sex or whatever adjective you want. Sex. This is what Sarah and Lane had
Sarah
to say about that epic sex is possible. It's just about believing in yourself and each other and your pleasure.
Tim Spengler
Extraordinary sex is heartfelt. I'm not denying that pleasure can be had from sexual organs banging together. And I'm sure people have experienced that. But when you add that heartfelt element into it, it's when it moves into a very special sacred space.
Melody Thomas
Thank you so much to Layne and Sarah for sharing with us so openly. That's it for the first ever episode of Love Bites from the Good Sex Project. I'm Melody Thomas. I'm so happy to be back with you in the next episode of Love Bites. We're going to meet a sports boy with a heart of gold who's gotten himself into a huge romantic mess.
Tim Spengler
Oh, my God. I think I was in love with her first. What have I just done?
Melody Thomas
That's Love Bites episode 2 with Chris out next week. Thank you so much for listening to the Good Sex Project made with the support of New Zealand on Air if you love the show, please subscribe, rate and review us on your favourite podcast platform and tell your friends and people you're messaging on the dating apps and strangers on the dance floor and in club bathrooms. If you want to get in touch with me or the team, you can send us a message on Instagram or oodsexproject or you can email goodsexprojectmail.com we love to hear from you. The Good Sex Project was made by PopSoc Media. It was written and developed by me, Melody Thomas. Our producer and audio editor is Kirsten Johnstone. Co producers are Kay Heke and Elena Bates. Phil Brownlee recorded and mixed these episodes and Paddy Fred did the music. Thanks Team Foreign,
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Jack Myers
And I'm Stephen, your bookish Internet goofball. But you can call me the Smash Daddy.
Hayden
And we are currently deep diving Brandon Sanderson's fantasy epic Mistborn. But here's the catch. Stephen here has not read Mistborn before.
Jack Myers
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Hayden
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Host: Melody Thomas (PopSock Media)
Guests: Sarah & Lane
Release Date: May 5, 2026
This "Love Bite" mini-episode kicks off a new series of intimate, standalone stories from The Good Sex Project. Host Melody Thomas introduces us to Sarah and Lane, a couple in their early 40s from New Zealand’s Bay of Plenty, who share with remarkable candor how they navigated the challenge of keeping their connection—and sex life—alive after 20 years together and three children.
Their journey covers how they moved from sexual disconnect and frustration to experiencing the best intimacy of their lives, primarily by questioning expectations, embracing vulnerability, and learning new ways to connect emotionally and physically.
After having three children and starting businesses together, their once-exuberant sex life faded into the background amid “the mother load,” breastfeeding, and exhaustion (07:21).
Lane noticed the change, felt the loss, but instead of blaming, he started researching ways to foster desire in long-term relationships (08:05):
Lane’s Exploration:
Sarah’s Deep Dive:
Responsive (vs. Spontaneous) Desire:
Sarah highlights the importance of a transition period (e.g., a shower, stretching, yoga) to shift from busy carer to relaxed partner (14:23-15:15).
Lane admits that, for him, sex helps relieve stress, but he and Sarah must “meet in the middle.”
They replaced the “script” of penetrative, goal-oriented sex with a playful, open-ended approach (16:12):
Non-ejaculatory orgasms—something Lane learned about and practiced—were a game changer (16:32-16:36):
Open communication, slowing down, reflection, and experimentation led to the “revival” of their connection (18:00):
Now, after 20 years, they’re both “having the best sex of our lives” (18:36).
Lane talks about openly discussing sex—particularly non-ejaculatory orgasms—among his mates, breaking the generational silence (19:09):
Sarah, invigorated by their success, starts conversations with friends and even strangers, and creates an Instagram page for women to discuss and liberate their libidos (20:08).
Listener tip: Sarah’s Instagram is “Libido Liberation.”
The episode exudes warmth, wit, and a disarmingly honest vulnerability. Sarah and Lane are frank, lighthearted, and practical, often poking fun at themselves and the conventions they’ve outgrown. Melody Thomas’s narration is empathetic, affirming, and inclusive, aiming to normalize these struggles and changes for listeners.
Sarah and Lane’s story is a relatable, encouraging real-life example for couples navigating the turbulence of long-term relationships, particularly parents. Through curiosity, honest conversation, and open-minded experimentation, they revived their intimate connection. Their message: Epic, heartfelt sex is possible—even (or especially) after decades together, as long as both people are willing to learn, adapt, and embrace each other anew.
Next Episode Teaser:
Stay tuned for the next Love Bite: Chris, a "sports boy with a heart of gold who’s gotten himself into a huge romantic mess."