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Hunter
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Taylor
Mornings have a rhythm.
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Hunter
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Taylor
I. Oh, let's go.
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Hunter
And we are live.
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Taylor
Good morning, everyone.
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Hunter
Feels like we've been gone for so long. Is it two weeks or three weeks? I think it was three weeks, right?
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Taylor
It's been three weeks. Yeah.
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Hunter
Yeah. We were actually out of town last. Yeah. Because we were out of town last weekend, which is normally when we would have done it. So good Saturday morning to everyone. It's definitely summer. I was getting bitten by mosquitoes. So if you see me scratching myself, that's why, because I got bit by, like, three mosquitoes this morning when I was outside. So anyway, hopefully if. Just one check if you guys can hear us and see us. Okay.
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Taylor
Yes.
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Hunter
So we're not talking into the wind, just my microphone. We're actually talking this morning. It still seems like I'm getting complaints that people cannot hear me. And it's weird because when we're sitting here talking in person, I'm talking way louder than Taylor is. But for some reason, my voice trails off in the mic. And I don't know if it's because my voice is deeper and it just maybe the mic setting is not tuned to. Yeah, you know how the. Whatever. The. The gain or whatever in the mic. So.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, thank you guys for being here this morning. What to talk about, what to talk about? Well, we'll get to the questions, I promise. So go ahead and just drop your questions in the chat. I know we've got some people already putting that. But putting their questions in there.
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Taylor
A lot of questions already in there.
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Hunter
Yeah. Let's see. Housekeeping stuff. I think it was. It's been maybe almost two weeks since I launched the AI chat tool. Seems to have been really good feedback so far. Honestly, I will admit I was a Little nervous because I built that myself. I'm, I'm not a full blown techie. I know enough to be dangerous, but definitely not like a software developer by any means. But with all the AI tools that we have now, I did is I fed every video podcast, you name it into that, and then used it to turn it into like a language model just for that. So if you ask it something like, if you ask it like what fertilizer does Hunter use on his lawn, it'll say he's never talked about that because
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Taylor
he doesn't do his.
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Hunter
Now someone's probably, now someone's probably going to go ask. Well, no, I'd done enough of that for one lifetime growing up. But the point is, is if you ask it a question that is not in there, it's just going to tell you this has never been talked about. Here's where you can go to look that up. But it's not in the data set there, which is pretty cool. And from the feedback I've got from people that have sent me responses so far, seems to be working well, I will say the one thing that kind of stinks is I was underestimating how many people would use it, which is a good thing. Like I want people to use it, but I'm making it free and I have to pay because it consumes power. So like with all this AI stuff, you have power consumption tokens. And basically when people are using it because I'm hosting it, I get charged for the power consumption of the tokens. And so it was, it is costing me more than I thought it would be. And so maybe I can do something where it's just like you get like, you know, a thousand queries per month for free. And then beyond that, because some of the, from the, the consumption there was way more use than I will say that I was expecting, which is a good thing. Like, I'm happy. But it seems to be that the feedback is really good. So far on the questions and the ones that people have sent me just as like a sample of like, hey, this is what I asked and this is what it said. It seems to be pretty close to.
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Taylor
Imagine if you had that tool like when I first started learning about peptides, that would have been so helpful than having.
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Hunter
What do you think I would have just, would I have just told you, look, babe, use my AI tool.
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Taylor
I know I just would have done that rather than like asking you so many questions, which is good because it was learning.
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Hunter
But I mean the thing is, but I mean the AI Chat tool is good, but that's obviously still why we have the private group and we do these live streams.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Because as much as people can interact with that, actually I learn more from the questions that people ask me. And a lot of the, the knowledge that I have is just because I've gotten feedback from a lot of people. I tell people that all the time. So anyway, but that seems to be going well. I will say for the month of June upcoming, we have four different podcast guests that we're going to schedule to do recordings. And one thing I would love to hear from you guys, just as feedback, I always. Okay, I'll. I'll kind of explain. As your platform grows, which is a very good thing, you get more and more people that want to come onto your platform to share whatever message it is. And that's a good thing. That's kind of the game a lot of people play. There's nothing wrong with that. I will say I was never a person that built my audience through going on other people's content. Meaning that like, I didn't go like on a podcast circuit and go on like 100 podcasts in 100 days, like a lot of people try to do when they're trying to build their brand or whatever. What I did is I just published content that was done by me or done together with you and did my best to make it educational. And that's what kind of built my following. And what happens is you get a lot of people once you have a following that want to come onto yours in order to grow their following again, which is, there's, there's nothing wrong with. But I always struggle internally with like, how much do I do guest content versus just continuing to do educational content because one side of me is like, well, educational content by myself. It could be, I guess, maybe self aggrandizing or selfish versus doing content with other people. But then when it comes to other people too, it's like, no offense to anyone else out there, but there's not that many what I would call like super Peptide voices that are like, there's, there's definitely people that I would want to have on mm. But a lot of people just have supplement companies or whatever that they want to bring onto a podcast and they know because you have like views and rankings and whatever. And I guess what I'm saying is, like, I would love to know for my audience, I'm not probably the best guest interviewer because that's just not what I do. Yeah. Taylor will be the first to tell you no, I'm not a good guest interviewer, but I think there's. There's value in doing podcasts with other people. But at the same time, I'm very guarded against. Because you've seen, you see this in the health fitness, biohacking industry of people to get platforms. Then all of a sudden they just. Their content turns into a shill machine for brands that pay to have sponsored guests come on to.
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Taylor
Well, I think it's just like you're. It's just all about like what you're. What your goal is. Like you're, you're not an interview person. And podcasts, if you want podcast guests, is because you're really good at interviewing people. People. Not that saying that you're bad at interviewing people, but like, you are an educator. That's how I like to think of it as more. So you like your teacher, so, like you want to teach material. So I think having podcast guests can beneficial, but I don't think it needs to be your full thing because that's not what you're. That's not how you built your brand. That's not what your viewers want from you.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
I think once a month. Guest.
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Hunter
Well, to me, whether it's once a month, however often it is, I would just prefer to be someone that I would be interested in talking to because I think. I think when we look at what is interesting to people is if they hear a conversation that is interesting. And that's where probably like, I'm not gonna sit. I'm not gonna be Good Morning America and sit and interview people like Michael Strahan.
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Taylor
No, no.
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Hunter
I'd like to talk to them and learn from them, of course. And I think some of the stuff we've done with like Sarah and Alex, people love that. But that's because they're very deep subject matter experts.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And that's where it's like when it comes to peptide stuff, like, I don't want to talk to someone about Vitamin C. You know, like, it's okay. Like, who is that really that interesting? You know, and it's just, they're trying to do that. So anyway, that's just one thing. I know my audience likes me for the content I provide. And I think, like, as it continues to evolve and everything, I like doing this with you. I like doing my, my solo stuff. I obviously love doing our group stuff, but I just don't know how much I really want to open it up to other people, if that makes sense. But anyway, just thoughts.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Anything on your mind? This Morning. Anything you see people out there struggling with.
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Taylor
I feel like lately I've had a lot of people struggling with plateauing with GLPs. And then I, I feel like sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse saying this. Obviously hormones are the foundation. We're not going to go into that because we, that's what we always talk about is getting your hormones done first before starting any peptides or if you already started peptides, get the hormones done. But how many people do not do cardio? And that is something that I'm constant. Like, I feel like lately I'm constantly seeing what people was saying they've plateaued with their glp. Like if they're on Terz Appetite or RETA and they want to add CAG to it or if they want to add the other another GLP to what they're already doing. And it's sometimes like it's important to remember the foundations and coming back to the basics of like, what is your macro count? What is your exercise routine? And there's still a lot of people that do not do cardio. And I don't know, it's like kind of like it's. None of it's not going to work and you're not going to lose weight properly if you do not exercise with these peptides and with GLPs.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
So. And even if you're just doing like, it's annoying, like I've said over the years, I don't like doing cardio. Like I've. That's changed a lot now. Like now it's just like, it's not non negotiable. Like I did not want to get up and do cardio this morning. I didn't feel like it yesterday I was ready to get up and do cardio today wasn't feeling it, but I forced myself to do it. And I feel a lot better. But it's just like if you just get out of bed and do 30 minutes of cardio first thing in the morning, like just get it out of the way. Like it's just 30 minutes. Put a show on, you know, get an iPad, put a show on, listen to a book. Like it makes such a big difference if you just get 30 to 45 minutes of cardio in on a piece of equipment every day.
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Hunter
Yeah. It does make life a lot better if you just do cardio. And to me, like you said, it's. I don't really. And this is a lot of people that watch us, this would be how they feel. But then there's a lot of people that are struggling, you know, if they need to lose £70 or so and it's, it's very hard for them. But I'll just take your dad for instance and I know I, I like pick on him a lot when we're doing content stuff, which we should do content with him. He would be good to, I mean
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Taylor
I've been telling you that and anytime I bring it up you're like, well,
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Hunter
I think it be, it just would be entertaining for people because he's such a, he's just a very gregarious, interesting guy, but he's just, he actually was doing cardio this week for the very first time, very first time ever. And he was talking about how hard it was. And see like to us if you're an athlete and you or someone that trains a lot like cardio is so it's almost like an afterthought of you just do it because it's, it's like brushing your teeth. Like how many people complain about brushing your teeth? You know, it's, it's not something that people usually complain about but then when you get in the habit of it, it's honestly one of the easiest things. Especially if you're talking about zone two cardio that would just be like fasted cardio that you're, that you're doing every day. It's just, you kind of just get on the machine or you go outside and you do it and then it's done. And you can listen to a book, you can listen to a podcast, you can read a book, you can watch a TV show or whatever it is. But I think to the point about people plateauing, what's interesting is people with GLPs, I think there this study was on semaglutide, people that were exercising while on semaglutide versus people that didn't exercise actually maintained their bone density. Whereas people on semaglutide that didn't exercise lost bone density over time. These are not people that are on hormone therapy at all. And so even just the exercise alone, even if it's just light cardio, cuz this was not when they did the exercise, I think it was like zone two cardio they didn't even look at, I don't think lifting weights, like it was literally just cardio but it maintained bone density because they were active and doing it. And I think that's important to the point of plateauing on GLPs because I think this is what we're seeing now. But imagine how this plays out in the next five to 10 years of the amount of people that are gonna be plateauing on GLP is because they'll have like that 6 to 12 months of initial success and then it's gonna be like, okay, I can't break through the right. And that, that's where it's like there really should be a framework of like hormones, thyroid, growth hormone axis, mitochondrial health, exercise, diet, lifestyle, all those things, sleep that go into it. Because I really think even take Reddit true side out of the picture even with Trappatide it seems, I think everyone can get the fat loss they need from terzeptide. Might not happen as fast or aggressively as with retatrutide, but still I think everyone get the fat loss that they need with tiruptide. I will update people. I've been on mazdutide for about a month now. I will say it is not superior to retta.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
I will put it closer to maybe tirzepatide in terms of like the effects.
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Taylor
The effects. I wouldn't say like inflammatory properties. It's not as good just for inflammation. I think mazutide is going to be better for getting stuff like fat off, especially if there's liver fat. I do think it would be more beneficial to use mazutide.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Out of all the GLPs. But just strictly for fat loss. I think it's beneficial.
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Hunter
Yes. And. Go ahead.
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Taylor
No, go ahead.
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Hunter
Well, what I would say is that it doesn't seem to have as much as like the background anti inflammatory that tirzepatide does.
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Taylor
Correct.
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Hunter
Does seem to increase metabolic rate a little bit more, which I think when you look at fat loss would probably net out about the same. So it's kind of what experience you want to have. I will say the. There definitely is a real component of the GIP counterbalancing the nausea that is coming from the GLP one.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And when you don't have that, I will say nazdutide was closer to feeling like semaglutide from like a nausea standpoint then tirzepatide or retrutide.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
With that. And so I will say probably people in those first few weeks might struggle a little bit more with that because there's a higher proportion of GLP1 agonism than there is with tirzepatide or retatrutide. And so milligram. For milligram you're getting more GLP1 which could cause more nausea, more stomach issues. It wasn't. It wasn't bad by any means, but I did notice that of like feeling full really fast, whereas like with tirapatide Truti you'd get full, but it's not as uncomfortable full as it has been with mazdutide.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
But I still think it's good. And if anything, I think what is interesting about it is it will be a good cycle interrupt for people that are plateauing and maybe they want to switch over.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And I do think even though they're, they're similar agonism, I think the, the very fact that it's a different compound.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Is having some sort of reset to the sensitivity of the other compound. Yeah.
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Taylor
And so even if you're getting more, you're getting more glucagon with it too, which is going to be more beneficial.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
For the fat loss especially.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
The liver fat.
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Hunter
And even if, let's say someone's on Retro Tide, they're plateauing, they switch over to mazdutide, they're probably gonna like start to break through the plateau a little bit just because it's a different compound. And then you could use that for eight weeks, go back to red a true tide and probably like, oh man, now the red true tide is working better because you took that time off of it. And so for the people that are scared of momentum, I'm fine with taking eight weeks off of a GLP because like I, I'm one, I don't have a lot of weight I need to lose. And then also too like, I know what I'm doing, so I'm like, good, like, oh, I'll take eight weeks off. But a lot of people get scared. I don't want to take eight weeks off because I'm gonna like gain the weight back and everything like that. And I think in that case Mazduti could be a very good adjunct to Reditrude. Retro died would still be king though.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
In my opinion. Yeah.
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Taylor
But I don't know, I do think like, I don't know, just like, I don't know, simplest, like exercise is just. I just still think that's like what I was trying to express is so important here is the exercising that people aren't doing.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
It's just like, it's very simple. Every morning, get up, do 30 minutes, the cardio. Every day.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Three days a week, do a full body split or four days a week lift.
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Hunter
You mean lift.
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Taylor
Yeah, sorry, three days a week, do a full body workout or do a four day split body workout. Two body, two lower body.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Two days a week. Those days that you lift, do 15 minutes of hit at the end of that workout.
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Hunter
Agreed.
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Taylor
And that hit will definitely make a big difference on getting the fat off.
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Hunter
Or you can get a sled and push it up and down your driveway and creep out.
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Taylor
All your neighbors can do that too. You can do that too.
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Hunter
That's a great.
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Taylor
That doesn't replace the hit. There's something.
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Hunter
Oh, you don't think so?
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Taylor
I don't.
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Hunter
I mean, I think when I was running with it, when you turn it a little bit lighter and run with it, that's pretty hard for hit.
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Taylor
Well, that's hard. Yes.
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Hunter
Yeah, I guess I see what you're saying because you're probably not getting your heart rate into like the 170s or 180s if you're just pushing it.
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Taylor
And if you don't like hit easiest and do is to get a. Was it a reformer rebound trampoline.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
And do that.
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Hunter
And just run on it.
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Taylor
And just run on it. So much fun.
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Hunter
It's good on your joints.
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Taylor
It's good on your joints.
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Hunter
Yeah. Yeah. Also too, like when I ride my bike in the neighborhood, I'll have like go up the hills and I'll like sprint up the hills. Yeah, that's usually pretty good for hit. I've been doing just nicer in the summer.
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Taylor
Did you turn the air up really high in here?
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Hunter
No, but if you need like sweaty. If you need to go turn it down. I mean, it's hotter outside and I think it's set on like 72. So if you want to go turn it like 70 or 69.
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Taylor
It's really hard for me to get. Anyways. It's fine. It was just fine. I just like noticed that.
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Hunter
I'll go turn it down real quick.
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Taylor
Yeah, can you go turn it down? Sorry, guys. Sorry. I'm like, there's like three huge lights in this room and we do turn the air up higher up here in the morning so we can. So it's warmer when we do cardio so we can sweat more. But like I'm. I'm. I'm literally like dying sweating right now. So. Yeah, I don't. Didn't realize that that happened. Thank you. I'm sorry.
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Hunter
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Taylor
No.
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Hunter
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Taylor
I know how you feel now. Yeah, like I can literally feel my body.
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Hunter
Like the thing about these chairs. It's weird because when we do the coaching calls on Thursday night and it may just because we've.
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Taylor
No, it's because you turn the air up and usually when you do the coaching calls, you've been up here working all day. The air's down.
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Hunter
Yeah. Anyway, well, the fan's on now, so hopefully give it another five minutes and we'll be cool. Okay, let's go to the questions. Yeah, the first question now remembered to put it on the screen this time is actually really good. Can we get a live suggestion on diet while on red? I've heard so many conflicting views. One to three sample meals.
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Taylor
Okay, so sample meal would be breakfast. I would do either oatmeal, cream of rice with protein powder or if you can tolerate eggs, do eggs. I would say like one whole egg and then egg whites. And then I would do some type of carbohydrate. So whether you want to get that from like a smaller portion of oatmeal or if you want to get that through like a sourdough piece of sourdough bread would be great. And then always try to get some type of berries in. In the morning. Lunch, I would say, you know, if it's. This is your post workout meal, I'm just assuming this person's going to exercise in the morning. Lifting wise, I would say post workout meal would be some type of like lean protein. So like chicken or turkey. If you wanted to do turkey, as long as it's like turkey breast, lean and then carbohydrates. So I would say either rice, cream of rice. Again, potatoes with no fat. I would just avoid fats for at least two hours after lifting. And then dinner, I would say let that be like a little bit more of like more fats. At dinner. That way the fats are going to help you sleep. So again, what?
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Hunter
Well, typically the carbohydrates would signal serotonin.
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Taylor
Yeah, but the fats help when you do. If you don't, higher fats are also going to help you with sleep too.
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Hunter
Okay, yeah.
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Taylor
You don't agree with me.
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Hunter
I mean they, I think just a balanced meal will, I will say typically
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Taylor
I think women do better. Women that try to do low fat, they don't sleep as much and you add more fat to that diet, they will sleep better.
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Hunter
Okay, I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying typically like Jen, Jen
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Taylor
and I talk about this all the time.
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Hunter
I'm not disagreeing. What I'm saying is that if people are going to eat carbs, I like to skew them towards the end of the day because it helps with serotonin signaling while they'll get in deeper sleep.
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Taylor
Okay, but they still need to have carbs if they're lift after they're lifting. If they're lifting in the morning, they still need to have carbs in order to fuel that muscle.
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Hunter
Okay, continue.
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Taylor
Yeah, so dinner would be carbohydrates, your fats and then like healthy added fats, whether it's olive oil, grass fed butter. If you want to do like avocado, you can. And then again leaner meat. So even if you're doing beef, just try to keep the beef on the leaner side.
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Hunter
Yeah, Taylor hates what I do, but for me this is easier. All I do during the typical week, and this sounds weird, maybe a little extremist, I just eat fruit all day and then I lift at 5pm in the afternoon, evening and then after I lift I eat beef, chicken, beef or chicken, rice or potatoes or rice and potatoes. And I'll put like a little bit of avocado oil, olive oil with that. And then after that we'll walk the dogs and I come back and I'll have some sour mango. Shout out to Fruit Riot because their mango, the frozen mango is really good because it tastes like candy but it's just got like a little coating on the outside of it and that's it. So to a lot of people that would be extremist. But if you just eat fruit all day with nothing else.
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Taylor
Yeah, I don't suggest a lot of women doing that, especially if they still have menstrual cycles because like their bodies are going through changes three times a month. If you're gonna do that, I would say do it more. So like don't do it during your luteal phase of your cycle.
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Hunter
I know. I was just giving the example of what I do.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
But. All right, next question. Diet is. Can be variable to everyone. All right, what's up, Shanna? She says, can globe be taken intramuscular? I have someone doing that, and I didn't think it was right. I mean, you could. I don't think it will be bad. Potentially, sometimes people might have less of the welts and the redness from the GHK if they do it intramuscular because there's less mast cells or immune cells that react to it if you're doing it intramuscular. So I think for people that really struggle with that, they could potentially try that to maybe offset some of the redness and the. The itchiness and the swelling that comes from the ghk.
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Taylor
But same thing with cjc.
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Hunter
Yeah, you could potentially do that with CJC or Tessellin. But anyway, there's no right or wrong. Ultimately, we don't know. We don't have, like, a pharmacokinetic study to see how it plays out differently there. But I would say I would only do that if it's because you can't take it sub Q because the pain and the redness and the itchiness is so bad. But either one is fine. What's up, Jim? Jim's always here. He is the man. Devin says thoughts on Pilotax and how it stacks up against compounds like SS31 and empaglophosin for kidney health, I do like Pela Tax. I will say it's much more of a slow burn. And for someone with CKD or kidney issues, I would say SS31 and empaglofosin or depaglophosin, which are Jardian Fara. Those would be what I would lean into right away. Potentially even MOT C with the SS31 to help out. Start the SS31 first. Kind of get accustomed to that. And then you could potentially layer in the MOT C. But PEX will be the oral bioregulate for the kidneys. I think there's nothing wrong with adding that on top of those. I just wouldn't tell someone if they have CKD or any sort of pressing kidney issue to just use Pelaex. But I think in conjunction with those, it does great. But it would be probably fourth or fifth down the line of SS31 empagliflozin, potentially even something like a Motsi to add into that. But I do like it. It's just sometimes, sometimes the oral bioregulators, some people they work, some people they don't. And it's just kind of one of those things I don't want to tell people, oh, yeah, it's going to be the, the greatest thing ever because I haven't seen that in practice. But it's still good to add on. Shanna says stack for mold toxicity. The easy answer would be thyminal for one. Lo 37. I really like thymin. I really like SS31 because typically there's a lot of mitochondrial dysfunction that comes from mold. Glutathione works really well too. VIP can be really good. But I usually, from what data I've read, the VIP usually does pretty well after you clear the mold from the body. And so VIP would typically where someone has cirs, which is chronic inflammatory response syndrome to the mold, even after the mold has been cleared from their body, there's still this inflammatory cascade that's going on. And I really like VIP at that point. I don't know, it's just not, not really been looked at when people are taking VIP with the mold still in their system. But you could add that in after, once you're sure that the mold is cleared. Any other thoughts?
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Taylor
No, I agree.
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Hunter
What's up, Sean? Devin also asks thoughts on ergo thionine. Honestly, I don't know anything about it, thus I would not speak on it. Have you ever heard of ergothioneine?
- [28:47]
Taylor
Never heard of.
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Hunter
I don't know. So sorry, Devin, I'm not aware of that one. I'll look it up and, and see, but I don't know what that one does. Donnie says, can you explain how to take ghrh, GHRP and HGH all year round with no breaks, cycling back and forth for the smartest way without desensitization? Is this even a thing you would recommend? He says, I personally don't want to take more H. Take HH more than three and a half months. So that's why I asked about cycling GHRP and ghrh. Any thoughts on that one?
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Taylor
So he's saying he doesn't want to take growth hormone more than three. More than three times three, three and
- [29:24]
Hunter
a half months consecutively. In that case, what I would do, Donnie, is I would just do HGH by itself for those three months. You could really think about it like breaking up the year into three month chunks. So let's say quarter one, you do HGH and you do that for three months and then you could move to a GHRH like Tessa Morellin, you. And I would probably just do Tess by itself. I know people like to combine it with ipa, but that's really, really strong. Like, I am not someone that is always. I. I don't like to push people to do Tessa and IPA together unless they're really trying to put on mass.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Because you'll get. For people that are trying to lean out, you will get results. But it's honestly like to me, that feels almost like 4 to 6ius of GH when I have Tessa and IPA together. And I would say do Tessa Marlin in isolation. So I'd say let's say Q1, HGH, Q2, Tess. And then assuming you don't want to be on HGH more than three and a half months, you could go to ipamorelin or ipamorelin and CJC in quarter three. So maybe CJC and ipa, assuming you do well with both of those. And then maybe in quarter four, you could do MK777, which is a small molecule GHRP.
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Taylor
Yeah.
- [30:37]
Hunter
Which I like better than MK677. I actually went back to using that a little bit this week just to cycle off growth hormone. Just to one I wanted to see. Cause I haven't used it in a while. And I will say it, it feels very equivalent to taking like 2 to 3ius of growth hormone, albeit it's still the GHRP. So it's raising endogenous production, not exogenous like the growth hormone. And so that's how I think about it. You don't have to get too complicated, just go HGH, a GHRH, GHR, GHRP with the GHRH, like CJC and IPPA. And then you could do the, the oral MK 777 if you wanted to. But I personally don't have an issue with. I stay on growth hormone pretty much year round. Maybe I'll take one month off, like I'm, you know, doing MK77 and play around with that. But I would say I don't have concerns about that. But I know for whatever reason, some people, some people do and that's totally fine with them. So that's kind of how to rotate it. But again, there's no right or wrong answer to that. So you'd have to do it yourself, you know, and play with that. But I don't think there's an issue with combining growth hormone with a Tesla or something like that. I would just use that for a very specific use case. And so maybe A guy's like in the 60s, a woman's in her 60s, they have a little bit more visceral fat than they want to. They could use Tess Morellin at night and maybe one IU of GH in the morning and I think that would be fine. But I don't think you need to do that all the time. It would be more of a use case situation. Good to hear, Wendy. The chat was working. Good for the mold toxicity answer. I would be interested to see how it compared against what we said this morning. Maybe we'll go play around with that when we're done. Yes, Ninja Master. This is live. Sean. Yes, I do add every new video to the AI. I think it does it weekly so it wouldn't be right away. But usually within a week or so it should be updated into the database there. All right, let me fix that. Doc says I am cutting for summer and Primo and Retta make me way too flat. I'm 15 body fat but sometimes my abs don't show. You think starting Anavar pre workout will help bring out my abs better than Primo acetate? H Probably. I would say in an eight week window. Yes they would. It's interesting because if you look at Retta from the bodybuilding side of things, I have heard this complained about on the bodybuilding side of things, of Retta making people kind of flat and maybe I'll say even when I'm doing higher, when I've done higher doses of it, I kind of feel that too. You don't feel the same like roundness, fullness and complete just pump in your muscle that you would if you were on a lower dose or not on it at all probably. I wonder if that has something to do with insulin. Just like insulin dynamics within the body. And so I would say, I mean anore definitely will like there's. There's no question about it. I would say for, for showing your abs. Anavar would be definitely better than Primoacetate, I would say. But what do you think?
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Taylor
No, I agree.
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Hunter
Good. Lisa says can you talk about how to use oxytocin injections or sprays preferred?
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Taylor
I would say oxytocin nasal spray I think is great for if you're dealing with more so like anxiety and anxiousness. I think it's good to have it in a spray because that way you can use it like as needed. I do think injections are great if you're obviously you're one wanting it more. So for the emotional connection, for intimacy, I think is really good. I Think that it can be really great for post workout muscle injection. So like if you're training a certain muscle group, like let's just say the glutes and you inject that IM into your glutes after training, it does help with fullness in the muscles that you're injecting it to. And I think that even using it nasally I think can be beneficial like 45 minutes before eating. If you're struggling with just like food cravings or binge eating and overeating, it does help with that emotional kind of stimulation of like if you are an emotional eater, it can help with those food cravings and help you go into the meal feeling more, more calm, less anxious. If that's a trigger for somebody who has emotional eating, you'll actually feel fuller and you won't eat as much. Yeah, you'll, you get more sensation from the food where it's like okay, I'm good.
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Hunter
Yeah, definitely clinical data to back that up. People eat less, which is interesting. They self report eating the same but they eat less. Which to me I, I think when I've done that personally it feels you experience the pleasure of food without eating as much. Whereas like a glp, you don't really experience the pleasure of eating food kind of just becomes a chore at some point and uncomfortable. It can be uncomfortable. But yeah, I think the, the good way to think about it is like injections, slower onset of the feel, but it lasts longer. Where's the spray? Quicker onset but lasts shorter. And so if you're doing the spray to have like the feeling feel for the whole day, you probably have to spray four times.
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Taylor
Yeah.
- [35:53]
Hunter
Whereas the injection at most I would say two times a day, but you could really get once a day. And you probably have like a more lasting feel over the whole day. Like if you do in the morning, it's going to last for a few hours, maybe even into later afternoon. So that would be kind of my experience with it. Good to hear the AI is doing well. Yes, the AI tokens get expensive and so working on a solution for that, I mean my goal is to always keep it free, but it probably would just have to be some, something if, if someone is consuming a ton of power through it. Like there would be a limit like a thousand queries or something per day that would, that would have. So we'll see. But for right now it's free and it's my intent to keep it free. Alonzo says, can you take atx304 with 5amino and mot C absolutely. I love doing that. Just be ready because if you struggle with heart rate issues, like if you're on Reddit or diet, that will spike your heart rate and potentially depending on your insulin sensitivity, just make sure you're good because a lot of people can go hypoglycemic with all three of those things together. Even the Fibon Lazy can do that.
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Taylor
I would do that. Like that would be a really good pre workout for cardio. Like I personally would not do that before I'm gonna resistance train. But doing that and waiting like at least 30 minutes after you take the ATX to then do cardio makes a huge difference.
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Hunter
ATX is interesting and this makes sense if you think about it. So you would never take metformin before a resistance training session limiting to mtor, right? We want to grow muscle, we want the anabolic thing going on when we're lifting. If you look at ATX, it's very. I think ATX is basically metformin 2.0. It's like metformin without the downsides. But that being said, I have taken it before a lot of strength training sessions and it felt like I had taken metformin before, like I felt much weaker specifically during that training session. And so as an AMPK activator MTOR inhibitor, which is good for longevity, good for fat loss and everything. When we talk about the context of strength training, I don't want that around the four hour window that I'm strength training two hours before and two hours after. I don't want that then. But I do want it around times I'm not doing that. And for instance, cardio would be really good cuz we're zone two cardio, we're looking at beta oxidation, we're looking at burning fat and those things. And in that case gonna be really good. Five of amino and mati. No problem before resistance training. But I was gonna use the atx. I would use that before cardio, but I would stay away from using it around the resistance training window. But otherwise I love atx. It's just for me, what I notice is to get the real benefits, you have to get in like that five to seven hundred milligram range, which again, if it's a hundred milligram capsule, 30 capsules in a bottle, you're talking about using the whole bottle in six days. And if a bottle's 250 bucks or 200 bucks or whatever it is, it gets expensive. And so hopefully that comes out in the future. But it is an amazing product. I love that product for sure.
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Taylor
It's just why do you think it's so expensive? Is it just because it's a more expensive molecule to make?
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Hunter
Demand is part of it. So if you look back, this is kind of crazy. If you look back, just if people are interested in like the supply chain nature of stuff, you look back to SLU when that first came on the scene. That was there was not a lot of demand for it. And so to get it synthesized and made it was more costly. And that's why when SLU came out, it was like three or four hundred dollars a bottle to now there's so much demand for it. And so factories that are making it and synthesizing, whatever, there's enough demand for it where they can make it and that brings the cost down. When it comes to ATX1 it is more expensive molecule, like BAM15 more expensive molecule, but there's not enough demand. And so to go get the raw material and then synthesize it, it's just going to cost more to do that because it's less demanded. If the market demanded it more, obviously that would drive the price down. It would drive people, more people into selling it and everything. And so it's really just a supply and demand thing that right now there's not enough demand. And so creating the raw material requires more capital because it's a limited demand pool for it. But I think if there were more people to demand it, obviously it would probably come down more closer to the price of SLU to like we're now. SLU is everywhere. And I love SLU PP332. But it's also, it's become so widespread. Whereas I remember 2024 when that first came on the scene, it was so hot, you know, and it was hard to get because it became popular and that ended up driving the price down. Very good question from Jaclyn. Which is More effective injectable PE22, 28 or nasal spray? I would say personally for me, I've done both. They feel the same to me. But I did have someone send me a message.
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Taylor
You did a nasal spray?
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Hunter
Yeah, I took the syringe and I just loaded syringe and then shot up my nose. Well, the reason I did that is because I had someone message me, surprise me. We can do that. I mean, it was with Backwater, it just burned a little bit more, but
- [40:59]
Taylor
you can do it.
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Hunter
But I had someone message me because I. This is why I tried that. I had someone messaged me and they said they had struggled with depression For a long time. I believe this was a guy struggle with depression for a long time and they taken P22,28 via injection and never noticed anything from it.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And then they started taking in a nasal spray and it was like all of a sudden the lights came on and they were ex. It was like a breakthrough for that person with their depression in a good way. Like they, they, their depression was gone basically. And I thought that was interesting because when you look at some of these nootropic molecules, this is where you'll have the, the converse of like what we would typically say is the injections being better. When we look at some of these like P22, 28 Cmax, P21. When you talk about like crossing the blood brain barrier, in some cases that nasal spray is probably crossing more effectively via the spray because it's so close. It's getting there rapidly and having that effect and it's not the, the injection is not working. But again, to go back to what we were talking about with oxytocin, the spray quicker and faster whereas the injection is taking time to have that effect. And in the case of that for this person, it seemed like the, the spray was working much superior to the injection. And so I think I would just tell people to play with both. You could do either one. For me, I got benefits, really good benefits just from like a mental clarity standpoint, a good mood standpoint from doing both. But it probably depends on the person. Probably depends on their unique neurochemistry. But I would say if, if someone does have depression, give both a try. Maybe even try the nasal spray first. Obviously that's, that's easier for people to do. Yep. We have mosquitoes too. We had our backyard sprayed by the pest company, which I'm sure is toxic and terrible for it, but didn't seem to work this last time.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And also do that now that we have a garden.
- [42:50]
Taylor
Well, they didn't spray the whole yard.
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Hunter
Yeah.
- [42:53]
Taylor
Because of the garden.
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Hunter
Yeah.
- [42:54]
Taylor
Told them not to.
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Hunter
Yeah. So that's probably why it wasn't seemed to do well last year. But it's also too. You wonder, okay. How much toxicity, the trade off of life.
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Taylor
I guess toxic.
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Hunter
Yeah.
- [43:06]
Taylor
Yeah. People are going to get mad at us now.
- [43:10]
Hunter
I mean, they're mad anyway. So is CJC ipa, no DAC even worth it or just go with gh? I mean, if I'm being straight up with you, I'm always going to tell you GH is better. I can't make money off of. I don't make money off of saying that, like, you know, because you have to there, you have to go through, through underground means to get gh or you have to pay a lot for a prescription. Taylor and I actually have a prescription from our doctor for gh, but it is a little bit more expensive if you want to go that route. But it's not that CJC and IPPA are not worth it. It's just that HGH in my opinion, is superior to them. And so I would tell people, just do what you want to do. Some people much prefer the peptides to gh. The thing that's interesting about gh, and shout out to Jerry Smith from Optimizeu, who's a chemical genius, and we were talking at the conference that we were at last weekend with him. I think what's interesting about. He brought a very interesting point up to me that I never thought. If you use like one IU of gh, basically through a variety of mechanisms, primarily via something called IGF binding protein 3, you can potentially get a higher free IGF one, meaning we don't really look at free IGF, but with HGH, think of like testosterone to HCG. Testosterone's gonna raise your free testosterone more than HCG will. They potentially will both raise your total testosterone about the same, depending on the dose, but you're gonna get higher free testosterone from the testosterone. And I think when we look at HGH2 and HGH peptide, it's very, very similar. Because Even if our IGF1 levels are the same, let's say you took 1mg of tesrellin and 2ius of HGH, those will probably both put your IGF1 at like 300, which is good. Right? However, the proportion of that IGF that is bound to IGF binding protein 3 is going to be higher with tessellin, meaning that we're getting higher free IGF from the HGH at that dose, which means that we can actually get better results with a lower amount of hgh. Whereas the. The GH peptide, we're kind of just leaving that up to chance to like, how much is free and how much is bound. And so while the GH peptide will work, I think you're getting higher free IGF from the hgh, which also allows you to control more of like, how much do you want? You want one IU? Do you want two IUs? Do you want three? I use to where you land for being therapeutic. Any thoughts on that?
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Taylor
No, thanks. Agree.
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Hunter
John says can the axion group use use AI Tool. Anyone can. So if you're in the axion group, you can obviously use it, but anyone can. You don't have to be in the group to use it. Kim says. Great answers. Yeah. And it, it has a tool too or like references you to whatever video or was that was talked about. Can we talk about the best stack to take while taking a break from Retta? I think if you were to take a break from Retta, you kind of. Let's say. Let's say you're taking a break from Reddit and you don't want a GLP in it. I would say the best thing you could probably do just to maintain where you're going is obviously if you have the foundation. So hormones, thyroid, a GH peptide, those will help a lot. Potentially. MAT C would be really good. And then something like a BAM15, an S PP332. You could use them both together if you wanted to. I really like albuterol on and off before cardio.
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Taylor
Something injectable 5amino.
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Hunter
Injectable 5amino would be spectacular for that probably that would be like the. One of the first ones actually. Maybe the first one Y and then Carterine would be good. Like 10 milligrams of Carterine. Four weeks on, four weeks off. That's like five things right there that will really. If you took eight weeks off but you use those instead of a GLP, I think you're going to continue the momentum and then you come back to the GLP after, resensitize yourself and you'll be well on your way. And that's the cool thing is we have a lot of this stuff now that, you know, we didn't have maybe 5 or 10 years ago. Echo 6. I am sorry to hear that he chopped the tip of his finger off. Any peptides. I mean there's obviously not any peptides I know of that will regrow the finger. Maybe one day we. We get to that. But I will say that I would use probably CLO to help with the recovery around like where the cut was. And then if you got some like transdermal kpv, some transdermal ghk, that would probably help a lot too at the site there that you could apply because it's going to be hard to like inject right near a finger.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Especially if it's injured. But I'm.
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Taylor
I would possibly even use like L37 just do a sub Q injection of that just to help with like any kind of infection which I mean you probably. I mean you could do an Antibiotic, obviously, which is probably what a medical provider is going to give you. But I would do that.
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Hunter
I was talking with a friend this week.
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Taylor
Well, what about like if you, what if you did like Instead of doing CLO, what if they did just like 2mg of TB500?
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Hunter
That would be very good in this case. I would see this, this would be a case for high dose TB500.
- [48:32]
Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Just substitute systemically to help with stem cell, stem cell migration to the area. Yeah, that would be a good case for the higher dose TB500 for sure.
- [48:41]
Taylor
I personally would do that.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
I wouldn't do the flu.
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Hunter
You wouldn't do.
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Taylor
No, I just, I don't like ghk. I don't like injecting it. So that's why I wouldn't do it. But I think, I don't know, I just feel like I've had such good effects using high dose TB500 for like injury recovery. I think it's been, you know what, most beneficial and gotten the most relief and the quickest healing with it.
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Hunter
I know this is out there. We should really start to push more manufacturers to make BPC, TB500 and KPV together without the GHK. I agree with that because that is a wonder stack. And like you said, sometimes, especially in the case of a injury like that, the GHK can, it's good but then it also too can make the pain worse if you're injecting near that. Current nighttime wellness routines, peptide supplements and other things you guys do to optimize sleep. I mean I'll just tell you what I take before bed around a gram of magnesium, of a magnesium blend. I really like a company called OPT that has a magnesium blend that's really good. I like the formulation of that. So I'll take like eight of those capsules. It ends up being around a gram. And then personally what I take before, so I've got my magnesium, I'll do two IUs of growth hormone and then I will take 500 milligrams of metformin. That's the one time of the day I take metformin right before bed and I will do 3 milligrams of low dose naltrexone. And usually, I mean I'm very active, work very hard, always do my best to get an hour or two of sunlight per day. And so usually by 10 o' clock Taylor will tell you I am out, out cold, especially after I take my supplements.
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Taylor
Asking Hunter any advice on sleep? Sleep, I just feel like is. It's just not fair because Hunter, Hunter can. Would probably sleep through a tornado.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Like Hunter has no issues. Like. Yeah.
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Hunter
And I don't.
- [50:39]
Taylor
I struggle more asleep than you do.
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Hunter
Yeah. I don't fall asleep like during the day. Like I'm not like asleep like oh, I didn't get sleep. But when it comes time to like I'm. I'm one of those it's like go, go through during the day and when it's time to go to bed I'm like out.
- [50:52]
Taylor
Yeah. And if he doesn't get like a good like at least seven hours, like yeah. Asleep is not fun to be around them.
- [50:59]
Hunter
My personality is fundamentally different if I don't get seven hours of sleep.
- [51:03]
Taylor
Yeah.
- [51:03]
Hunter
Unfortunately. But. And I know some people can't afford like some people only sleep power five hours a night either because they can't or they just can't because of their schedule. Whatever. Fortunately I'm blessed to, to do that. But I've always been someone that I am much more on the side of sleeping more. But it makes me a better person for sure if I get at least seven hours. I'm usually like seven and a half hours is what I get. But we usually go to bed 10:30, 10:30, 11 and I'm up by 6:30 usually on most days. So I will say for us, one thing we have been really good about lately is having the same sleep wake time every day regardless if it's a weekday or weekend. Getting up within the same 30ish minute window even when we're traveling, even when we're doing that stuff. That does help a lot with sleep because something that I think people don't realize is like when let's say you stay up really late like on a Friday or Saturday and then you try to get back to a Sunday like that one time of staying up past your normal bedtime, whatever it is can wreck you for like three or four more days to get back into your routine.
- [52:03]
Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
After my sleep I also journal every night before I go to bed. I think mentally that helps me a lot. What I do is very simple, doesn't take long, takes me maybe like two minutes. Is I write what I did good for the day, what I could have done better. Any lesson that I learned, just like a one liner lesson that I learned from the day and then I just write the emotional states that I want to experience the next day when I get up and that's it.
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Taylor
But that helps me supplement wise. I do the same as Hunter except for if I need to. I will use. I'll do a rotation of DS or I really like the A dream catcher spray from a company I can't mention on here now, but it has melatonin dcep. What else is in that spray?
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Hunter
Gaba.
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Taylor
Gaba I like.
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Hunter
And progesterone.
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Taylor
And progesterone.
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Hunter
Yeah.
- [52:57]
Taylor
Progesterone makes a big difference as well too. And then I do think MK777 does help with deeper sleep when I do cycle that in. And then if, um, if needed, I do about anywhere between 200 to 600 milligrams of L theanine.
- [53:17]
Hunter
Yeah, the one thing I did mention, typically I take pregnenolone, but actually what I've been doing lately is injecting allo pregninolone caparate. And so I do that on the same days I take my testosterone in the morning. And that I think is even better than taking the oral pregnolone. But if I didn't have that, I would probably be taking. That's typically what I do. But I've been injecting it and that works really well. Best peptides or supplements for endurance. I Carterine is gonna be just the gold standard, I think, of endurance. Obviously MOT C can be very beneficial too. Even just 10 milligrams of Carterine and 1 milligram of MAT C. I mean man, your endurance would be through the roof. SLU could be beneficial too, if you had Slu, Carterine and Mozzi right there. That would be like endurance through the roof.
- [54:04]
Taylor
Yeah.
- [54:05]
Hunter
Also too, if you have injectable ATP. If you go to a site that sells aminos online, injectable ATP and injectable amp L carnitine are really good for that too. Dada could be great. I forgot Dada Great. Amazing product. What's up, Honeycomb? Good to see you too. Katie has the best sourdough bread I have ever tasted in my entire life. Katie, I've been meaning to message you in the group because Katie has a micro bakery and she sent us some of her sourdough bread. Oh my goodness. I love sourdough bread. And people tell me like, you know, it's maybe it's not the best thing for you. I don't care.
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Taylor
Sourdough. Because sourdough bread, it actually is.
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Hunter
Yeah. It also has like almost no gluten compared to regular bread. Has like 99 less gluten. Man, check her out. Katie, I don't know if you, if you want to put your website, if you have a place where people can order, please do that in the chat. And also too.
- [55:02]
Taylor
This is so good.
- [55:03]
Hunter
But oh, my goodness, that bread is like heaven. Taylor makes good bread, but honestly, it
- [55:11]
Taylor
was not as good as Katie's.
- [55:12]
Hunter
Not as good. So. Man, that, that stuff was so good. We actually, we made grass fed burgers last night on the grill and used the bread. It's like a bun for it. Oh, it's so good. It was like melt in your mouth.
- [55:26]
Taylor
Yeah. So sourdough is not bad for you because it's fermented.
- [55:29]
Hunter
Yeah, yeah.
- [55:29]
Taylor
Like, it's not. I don't.
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Hunter
Even if it was, I was still gonna eat it.
- [55:32]
Taylor
Grains are not bad for you.
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Hunter
Yeah. I mean, the grains are not bad. Yeah. Depending on the person. I think what happens is people trigger their immune system so that, like, it becomes that. But if they had access to some of the tools to get their immune system back into balance, they could eat. Yeah, a lot of those. But even with sourdough, like I said, even if someone has a gluten allergy, it's like 99% less. But man, that stuff. Oh my goodness.
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Taylor
Katie, do you think people really have a gluten allergy? Do you really think it's more so glyphosate?
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Hunter
And I think there are people that definitely have celiac's disease. I think probably.
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Taylor
Do you think it's more so trigger because of the, like, chemically how everything has been treated? Because I know people that have celiac and they can go to Europe and eat.
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Hunter
Yeah, yeah.
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Taylor
Gluten bread.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Pasta. And they're fine.
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Hunter
Yeah. I think there's people probably like. I think it's a lot smaller than the people that claim they have gluten intolerance. But I do think, I think it was like 2004, 2007, they started allowing them to spray glyphosate directly on the wheat, whatever, like when it was harvested.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And that created a lot of issues. And then you saw this explosion in gluten intolerance around the same time that happened. And so, yes, I do think it is mostly the. It's the glyphosate intolerance, not necessarily the gluten intolerance, but then it's like, well, if it, if it is that case, then that person's not going to do well with it, you know, But I know from like eating, because like you make organic bread, bread like Katie's is obviously like very healthy, clean sourdough. That doesn't ever bother me. Although I will say, before I had access to like all the peptides and tools and stuff. I used to have like gluten. Like gluten did used to bother me. I'd get bloated and stuff from it. But again, was it the gluten or the fact that it was a glyphosate?
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Taylor
Yeah, you know, I agree it's probably
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Hunter
a little bit of both. But Jenna says TRT 20mg spread out. I'm okay with symptoms. I deal with hair, etc, except one. Possibly my concern. Loud scream voice is gone. Like barely there. My question is, will it get worse over time, even though it won't go up?
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Taylor
You could try using oxytocin for vocal cord, like recovery. I've heard I would do an injection if you. If you can handle it. That's. I have been told several people have done that.
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Hunter
Yeah, it's. I would say that's not completely. It's rare, but not like I've heard of other people having that. For women with testosterone is just kind of changes the pitch of their voice and. Yeah, it's not the same. And I mean, I know it's. It's kind of one of those things like there's no free lunch. So there's always going to be like a little bit even though. But the question is like, is it healthier to have a little bit of that and then not have testosterone?
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Taylor
I know my voice has changed.
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Hunter
Yeah, you still have a feminine voice.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
It's not like you have a man voice or anything, but thank you, Heather, you are far too kind. But yes, I would. I am leaning towards obviously and will be very selective when it comes to guests. Is it true that there is no more. There's no more reta being sold that is actually just ters and just relabeled?
- [58:54]
Taylor
That's true.
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Hunter
No, no, that's not true. That's not true.
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Taylor
Yeah,
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Hunter
but I mean whoever out there is saying that, God love them. Thank you, Wendy for that. Yes, can always sharpen interviewing skills. I agree. Life is lessons and learning is fun and every day is just a opportunity to get better and better and better and help more people. I find. Angie says I find GH PEPs before bed affect my sleep. Thoughts on doing fasted right after strength training and morning fast, is it beneficial to split across the day or increase dose once a day? I would say if people, if people struggle with the GH peptides before sleep, probably like 10% of people like this, I would just move them to the morning. So you do the morning fasted. You could do. I don't like fat like Fasted weight training. And so I would try to do like the morning fasted and then maybe wait an hour and a half, then eat and then train if you could. But yes, there's no problem, especially with the peptides of changing those two in the morning. It's really one of those things. You just take them probably better at night, you know, physiologically speaking, but just take them and you'll be fine. There you go. Cheech says they're doing their cardio right now. You could even listen to us while you're doing cardio. Jaclyn says, with cardio, do you think zone two cardio or intervals are better to get rid of belly flat? I would say both. Yeah. I would say your, your zone two is more of like what you would do every day and then your intervals could be like two or three times a week. Ekko says he would come on the podcast. You know, I would actually lean more towards just talking to people in my audience because I think we would learn more. I think the audience would learn more from talking to people that are just most.
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Taylor
More like minded people.
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Hunter
Yeah, it's more like minded people.
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Taylor
More relatable.
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Hunter
More relatable. It's more of like a talk radio style of just talking to people that are in it rather than someone that has an agenda.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
It's not even related to like the content that we talk about. So. I agree. I agree. Echo when he says, I find that people I work with, whether on GLPs or not, benefit from calorie and carb cycling. I agree. I think there's, there's times for higher carbs and lower carbs. Like I would like to view carbs as the lever. Meaning that if I'm in more of a push to grow muscle phase, that's the one thing I bring up. And if I want to lose weight, that would be the one thing I bring down. SH says, why is MAZ better for liver fat? I mean, it's not necessarily better than R Tride, but it has a glucagon component.
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Taylor
See, I would argue that would be. No, it would be better because it's h. Because Gl. Higher glucagon is going to be better for liver fat relative. Yeah, but you're going to. And you're going to get more glucagon with MAZ than you are with Retta.
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Hunter
Milligram. For milligram. Yes. But I will say from the clinical trial data, RETA is still superior.
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Taylor
And that's probably so there's no clinical trials with Mazutide. Yet?
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Hunter
Yeah, there are. It's actually approved in China and so there's a lot of clinical data around it. Mazutide is really good for liver fat, but reta's still like, on a percentage basis.
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Taylor
Why would it be better? If more glucocana is going to be better for liver fat? It's.
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Hunter
It's not. Okay, so let's just take. This is a good thought experiment. Let's take 2 milligrams of retta and 2 milligrams of mazdutide. Retta, from what we can tell is like 20% GLP, 20 glucagon and then 60% GIP. Whereas mazdutide, from what we can tell, and this is in the literature. Who knows? In the literature it says is half and half, meaning half GLP, half glucose. And so you had 2 milligrams of each. One milligram of the MAI would be glucagon, but about.0, 4 milligrams of the retta would be glucon. However, when you look at retta, if you were getting greater weight loss from the retta because you will get greater weight loss from the retta than the mazdutide, milligram for milligram, that potentially is having more of an outside effect on the liver than the mazdutide, does that make sense? And so because Reddit is causing more weight loss, although both of them are working on the liver, people are getting more liver fat removed from the reta because they are losing more weight. You have people losing 19% of their body weight on Maz for the same dose, compared to 30% on Retta at the same dose. That 11% gap in how much weight loss they have is potentially causing more liver fat to come off, even though mazdutide is still causing liver fat reduction, whereas tereptide, you don't really have.
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Taylor
Would there be a way to just measure the liver fat?
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Hunter
Yes. You can do an MRI or a fibro scan on your liver to see how much liver fat you have. And that's what they do in the trials to measure that. But what I'm saying is that I per. From the data, it's going to be different for each person. But from the data, retrue tide is still going to have superior results. It's not that mazdutide is bad, but Reddit still seems to be superior. Okay. What Taylor could is going to stab me right now if she could.
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Taylor
It's just going to. Well, never mind.
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Hunter
I understand that's confusing because.
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Taylor
Yeah, if you look at it, talked about this and said that like Maz would be better for liver fat.
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Hunter
And now, I mean it depends on the person. What, what you could say is that lower doses of milligrams, a lower dose of mazdutide, longer term probably could get you about the same or as good results for liver fat. But when you look at people that have fatty liver disease, retta is still superior in the percentage of the liver fat that it removes.
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Taylor
Okay. But it's just different from like previous conversations that we've had.
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Hunter
I think the, I think what you're doing is we're talking about like terzeptide in the same equation. And so like master is going to be far superior for liver fat for that. But when we look at the. I'm just telling you what like the data says, because I've read it, is that retta is still superior in that instance. But I mean those people were on 8 to 12 milligrams of retrude. Now in mazdutide they're still on 8 milligrams of mazdutide. But there's still a greater effect from the Reddit and what I'm saying that my estimation is that that would be from the increase in weight loss because people are losing more weight on retru tide.
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Taylor
Okay.
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Hunter
Than on mazdutide for the same milligrams that they're doing. But I mean at the end of the day, both of them are good and obviously like both of them would behoove someone to lose fat on their liver. Yes. Ninja Master, Maz and Server died, lack the GLP part and are milder in some sides. I will say of all the clinical data that you can look at, mazdutide has the lowest dropout rate and the lowest profile or side effect profile. What's interesting on retrutide is that at 4 milligrams of retru you have more people drop out from placebo than 4 milligrams of retide, which is interesting. The, the side effects at 4 milligrams of retta seem to be pretty tolerable. Once someone builds up to that when they're on it long term, more people dropped out from placebo. Now did the people drop out from placebo cuz they realized it wasn't working? You're going to know if you're taking the peptide or not. Yeah, like if you're not losing weight, you're gonna know like, okay, I'm getting the placebo shot. So that's kind of a question. It was like. But it's interesting that there were less people that dropped out on the peptide than on the placebo, which is usually not the case when you look at clinical trials. Great work, Debbie. She says she's been on Reddit for 10 weeks and lost 18 pounds. Congrats. Keep up the good work. I don't know anything about lepto3gr. I don't even know what that is. I'm not sure if that's something that's in the research world yet. Ninja says, I was watching Taylor's content on TRT for Women. Really interesting approach. I mean, I will say obviously we have the content that we put out, but most of that is based or rooted in philosophy from some of the best doctors in the world that we've worked with and learned under. Sean says, is there a way to allow companies to do a quick 15 minute video about their product and you post on accident rather than a podcast with everyone, you're still able to help companies or products you like? I mean, I'm sure there could. I don't know if I'd want to just limit that to the, you know, a few hundred people that are in the group, you know, if you're trying to help the most people with it. But what I definitely don't want to do in the group is bring people to interview in the group. No, because like, that's like just. That is a. To me, that is a glaring lack of responsibility for the people that I created the group for that joined it to on to get coaching from us.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And when you have a group and all you're doing is interviewing people in the group, to me that's like, why would you even join a group then? Because they obviously joined for the education material that's in there.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And the library of material. Because now we have over, over, like 60 hours of training material on topics that are not publicly available, that are accessible to people in the group in a library format that they can, they can have. But if I were to do that, I'd probably do it more publicly and just say, hey, I really like this product. You know, like, hey, I really like this coffee. You should check them out. Just because I want to help those other people, because it's a product that I like. What would be a good starting dose for AR 290? You could start at 1 milligram. In the clinical trials, they ran 4 milligrams for 30 days. So I think for more severe cases, neuropathy, nerve issues, you could get up to 4 milligrams, but starting. I knew a lot of people that get really good results at like 1-2mg per day there. I've always used backwater with a 290. Some people claim that they get a gel effect if they use backwater. And so you could always. There's a product called phosphate buffered saline solution you can get off Amazon or from research sites pbs. Phosphate buffered saline solution that you can get that works well with Ara290 from what I hear. Let's see. Rusty says my sister in law asks if she can take tereptide. If she's taking pregabalin and amitriptine. I don't know. I don't know what those are, Rusty. I don't know on that one. I mean, trapped is usually okay with most medications, but specifically in this case, I don't know what those are. I don't know how they work. And so I would just do research and ask her doctor about it. If she's working with a doctor that's giving her terzepotide. Oh boy, here we go. This is, this is a setup for me to go on a diatribe. Thank you, Wendy, for asking this question. I think this would be beneficial. My husband started TRT at 100mg, I'm guessing per week. And his first lab, his testosterone was lower. Go figure. They added in clomiphene and he had a big jump. Would it be better just doing clomiphene since that's when he got results? Absolutely not. Okay, this is again to go to the philosophy of testosterone that we have learned from the smartest doctors in the world and from working with a lot of people and experimenting on ourself. This is a, this is like the biggest travesty in one of the biggest travesties in the testosterone world. And I'm seeing this more and more and more and more. Again, because you have doctors that either don't know what they're doing or they are treating people to be within a lab range. Because that's what they want to do. Because that's what the, the, the medical boards want them to do and whatnot. Okay, let's look at this Conceptually. When you introduce testosterone to a man at a certain point, might be a month, might be three months, might be six months, his natural production is going to shut down. His body will no longer start to make testosterone. Depending on his age. I actually see more men in the 50 plus age group or 60 plus age group. They actually have higher natural testosterone levels than men under 40. It's because men under 40, when they were born, they were exposed so much more to environmental contaminant, toxins, plastics, whatever. Naturally, the, the population is moving to have lower and lower testosterone levels from the get go. Okay, you take a guy, I don't know, Wendy, how old your husband is. Take a guy, let's say 60, his total testosterone is 5 or 600. He knows it can be optimized. And then you have the doctor, oh, we're going to put you on 100 milligrams of testosterone. What is going to happen now is that his body is going to stop making that total 500 testosterone and it's going to go, okay, I'm getting exhaust testosterone now, I'm going to stop making it. And you're getting 100 milligrams testosterone. Well, guess what, that's probably going to put your levels about at 3, 4, 500 depending on the guy. And so to me, this is just the biggest medical malpractice because you are literally making a guy worse off than before. And even worse, they're like, oh, we'll give you enclomophene now because we get a little bit more money from enclomiphene rather than giving you 200 milligrams of testosterone per week. And they give enclomophine, which will raise your total testosterone levels. It will not do anything for your free testosterone levels. And we know from long term use a lot of guys have vision issues from enclomophine and that's shown in data. And I don't think enclomophine is a long term solution like hcg. But guess what, it's illegal for a lot of compounding pharmacies to make hcg. So they're not going to give you hcg, which would be the long term solution, not encomine. And so you have this conundrum here where if the doctor would have just given him 200 milligrams of testosterone per week to start, his levels likely would have been perfect. He likely would have needed nothing else other than the 200 milligrams of testosterone per week, maybe some HCG on top of it, just for testicular function and to have a little bit more testicular fullness if that's an issue for him and he'd be well on his way. But guess what, doctors don't do that. And this, it really gets, you probably get till I get like fired up about this because it, it's literally you are making a guy worse off than before. And guess what? If you give him 200 milligrams of testosterone per week and it's too much for whatever reason, you can always pull it down. But if you give a guy a hundred, then you don't know now. Now it's like, okay, we've lowered the testosterone from what it was before. What do we do now? Do we go to 120? Do we go to 150? Do we double it to 200? I would just say start taking 200 milligrams per week. But again, any good doctor would never do this to someone because they understand for most guys, 200 milligrams is like the therapeutic dose that they need. And some guys like 150. Like, if they want to do 150 or 160 per week, there's nothing wrong with that. Like, they might do better there than 200, and that's totally fine. But there's clinical data to suggest that up to 600 milligrams per week of testosterone in men actually has only positive benefit with no negative benefit. And so the point being is, like, we don't really know what the actual dose of testosterone that is the perfect dose for men. I feel the best, if I'm being honest, on 350 milligrams of testosterone per week. But maybe that's just me. You know, I'm not, not every guy is gonna be that, Am I gonna run that long term? No. Like, I'll just stay on 200 because my levels are fine. I feel fine at 200. But I'm not gonna sit here and tell you I don't feel better at 350. Like, it feels really good. And so it's just, again, one of those things that we will see this. There will be more and more and more doctors coming into the scene, more and more clinics, more and more of people getting into this of testosterone therapy. It's the largest growth market alongside peptides that, that we probably see in the healthcare world today. And you're gonna have problems like this and you're gonna have people that are getting quacked like this. So I will step now off of my soapbox and we can move on. But any thoughts on that?
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Taylor
No, you're good. You covered it.
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Hunter
Yeah. It's really sad, though, because this is. This is like a chronic issue amongst prescribers to do. And having just been at a conference last week where we spoke for doctors and learned from doctors at the conference, like, none of them are going to do this to people because they understand what's what's going on there. Terry says any peptide recommendations for tennis elbow? I really like. Yeah, cardax would be good. Obviously the BPC TB500 would be be good but I would really like Carax and KPV as well and obviously too when it comes to tennis elvo that's like a repetitive use thing. So sometimes you're just going to have to take a break.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
From doing it. Same thing with golf, you know like if you're golfing like and you keep repeating the same non natural movements that are making the, the injury or the soreness worse, you will have to take a break. So I would take a break, get on the peptides and then you can kind of use them as needed. Debbie says been on Reddit for 10 weeks, lost 18 pounds. I'm a slow loser. I'm on 3 1/2 milligrams per week with the bridge program coming up that I will qualify for. What are thoughts switching to Tzepatide. I think everyone like I said can get the the same or as like as good of results on Terz they camera at a true tide it might not happen as fast. But Debbie, I'll just say this. Don't think that 18 pounds in 10 weeks is a slow loser. Loser. I would actually rather, I don't know how much weight you're attempting to lose, but I would rather have someone lose 12 pounds per week max over a long period of time rather than just try to lose £50 in two or three months because you're going to have a blowback on the, the body to like where the body is going to have a response that was in starvation mode and it will start to have a lot of things shut down. And so I wouldn't even say that that's a loser or, or a slow loser. If you're that case I would say that's like actually a fast loser. I would say like you're right on track, maybe even a little bit faster than I would say is going to be healthy. I think that's good. But in terms of switching to Tirzepatide, what I would probably do if you're on 3 1/2 milligrams a week of retta, start on 2 1/2 milligrams of tirzaptide, it'll probably be fine for you and then you can go up as needed. But if you're, if you're progressing at that rate you probably don't need to go up as fast as a doctor would recommend which is like every four weeks. Like, you'd probably be fine to sit in like the 2 1/2 to 4 milligram range for a while and just keep going. But if your hormones are dialed in and you're exercising everything, you can stay on those lower doses and they'll pro, you know, the peptide will propel you very well over the course of a year. Yeah. Ninja. Yeah. Tier two. It doesn't make much sense again. Lately I've been doing good with just fat and protein. I try to avoid carbs 12 hours after an HGH pin, almonds, hard boiled egg with supplements before gym. And I feel good. I mean, if that's, that's personally not what I would do. But if that works for you, like, again, diet's so variable to different people and we all have different genetics and different microbiomes.
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Taylor
They like, be mindful if you're not supplementing with desiccated thyroid or MP thyroid. Like, I would definitely start doing that just because, you know, thyroid function, carbohydrates, like body needs that your thyroid's going to function better when you have some form of carbohydrates. So which I think everybody needs to be on MP desiccated thyroid, like in general. But really important to do that if that's a diet that you're following.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Because without it, you're gonna crash that thyroid. Because I've been there and I've done that.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
It's with doing that diet to the
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Hunter
point about the body just always having a mechanism. It's always going to adapt. And if you're, if you're restricting calories is going to adapt to that new calorie and that's where you'll see a lot of the thyroid shut down.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
That's why carbohydrates, I think doing it
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Taylor
like in cycles, like, if you want to do that for a cycle, like for a little bit, I wouldn't like, stay on that.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Like for life.
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Hunter
Jackie, Jacqueline says I've been pinning 5mg of GHK every day. Is this too high? And how long can I do this for? I've been getting mild headaches this past weekend, wondering if the dose is causing them. I mean, maybe it is, but when you look at the copper toxicity, it's much, much higher than that if you're using like allometric scaling from rodent models or whatever. But I don't think it's too high. I would say, like, in some cases it might be uncomfortable and so maybe it's causing headaches because of A blood pressure change which could be a potential thing that's coming from that. I just would ask like what would be the point of doing 5 over 2? Cuz I don't know that there's that much benefit of doing 5 milligrams versus 2 milligrams. I mean if there is, then I, it's, I don't see an issue with that. But I would just say for me, I feel like I would be wasting money if I was doing that high of a dose. Jim says for weightlifting, does a reverse pyramid protocol work better than starting at. I think you meant lower weight, increasing weight. Each set. I mean it depends. I typically like to do a warmup set and then typically what I'll do is like 60 ish to 70% of my 1 rep max. I'm doing that 15 to 20 reps to failure in there. Failure with like perfect form, not like complete failure. But I mean there's debate on that. I think it's good to change it up.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
You could do a reverse pyramid one week or for two weeks, then go back to increasing the weight each set.
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Taylor
I think it's, I think it's better to do six weeks rather than like.
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Hunter
You could do that too. Yeah. Like a periodization.
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Taylor
Yeah. I think six weeks is a better timeframe. And then change it.
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Hunter
Yeah. That's interesting. I was just thinking about like how much. How much? I wouldn't say, maybe knowledge is the right or wrong word. Just information we have around training. But not a lot of people necessarily crave that information from us now. From us. But I've written books and had like whole programs and everything. But I think it's one of those things now. It's like the information is free, like you don't need to pay someone.
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Taylor
We don't talk about it and we don't show. Showcase it as much. And that content is very saturated in yeah. The social media.
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Hunter
Anytime we've posted stuff like that, people are like, I don't care.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
So it's like okay. I mean, yeah, I'm fine. I like what I do. Like I'm not someone that like I don't, I don't desire necessarily to like post my workout videos for people. You know, people wanted that I would do it but I said I like the type of content to make is what I'm saying.
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Taylor
You do not like a camera in the gym, like filming because it takes away from like the flow of the workout for you.
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Hunter
I think if I, I think if
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Taylor
you did, you had to have somebody like you'd have to hire someone to come in and just strictly be filming you, not me or you messing with the camera because it just. You get super annoyed with that.
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Hunter
Yeah, well, it's also, I think if I, if I'm like preparing myself mentally going into that, like I know to, okay, today I'm filming myself working out, so like I'm prepared. But it's like, it's like if my workout is like sacred and it's like if that gets thrown off because I'm like trying to like move the lighting or the camera or whatever. Yeah, so like you said, it'd be better if we like, if we were doing that, we would hire someone to film us doing it. That would take care of all those things. But I just. Is it, is it worth, like, do people really want to see that? I don't think so. I think they rather have peptide information, which I like doing. But. Yeah, but there is, I mean, to the point there's like so much of like. So that stuff is so important and I think a lot of people just don't realize how important it is. I know most people do, but there's just so much of that that goes into it. What I would say is like, I'm always surprised when it comes to training stuff because I've just, I've trained since I was 11 or 12 years old. How like I forget like someone might be in their 40s and just starting lifting weights for the first time so they don't understand like the concepts, the, the body consciousness and everything that goes into it. Whereas to me that's like second nature cuz I grew up as an athlete and everything. Becca says just thanks for your show. And topical KPV on those mosquito bites makes them completely itchless. I will have to try that. I didn't think of that. But we do have some topical kpv. Yeah, um. Oh, KPV into a spray bottle too. That'd be a good idea. Yeah, never thought of that. But it's good. Maury, don't worry about it. Use the AI as much as, as much as you see fit. Because the more people, the more people that use it, the better it like gets at training. Because like, the more reps it takes, like the better it gets, like accessing the database and everything. So don't feel like you can't use it as much as you want to. I'll, I'll take care of the cost because there's ways that you can like shift the tokens around and use like different models. That still get like, the same outcome. It's just right now I had it like, on the highest model, and I realized, like, for. For certain things, like it can. For certain queries, it doesn't need to use as much power to do the same thing because it's pulling from a database rather than like, pulling from like a. Like an Internet source or anything like that, which consumes more power. So Donnie says, can you just take and quit in code blood work if you want to take for a few months? I am roofer and just want extra help during crazy summer, so I don't want tests yet. Um, obviously, Donnie, I just have to, because that's what I do is like, I would just say, what is your hesitation with testosterone? But then I would also say, yes, you can absolutely take in Clomiphene. Quit it. Like, there's no. It's not like testosterone where you would come off of it and then all of a sudden it's like you're shut down naturally. And Clomiphene doesn't have that. So, yeah, you could definitely do that. But my question is always to guys, like, what is your hesitation around testosterone? Because most of the times the. The hesitation is unfounded in my case. And I say that as someone that started testosterone 27 and kind of went through all of that myself. Most guys that do testosterone, if they do it right and they go through it right, they never come off because they get every. Like, everything is taken care of. Like, all the things that they think are going to be an issue are not an issue. Does BAM15 really eat at cancer like some people say it will seem to do? So there is a substantial cohort of clinical literature that demonstrates that, and I have heard it anecdotally from people. Again, that's not something I really get into because you paint your. Paint a target on your back. But yeah, I will say go down the rabbit hole. There's a lot. There's a lot of there there, so to speak. Michael, I talked about the AR290 a second ago. Hopefully you caught that. O. Wendy says they have a company that has mosquito buckets that catch them. That would be cool. We live in an area where there's a lot of mosquitoes. I'm just going through the alchemist says, what is the best stack to improve sperm parameters for non TRT users? Well, I would say it's going to be the same as if you were on TRT, but what I would do is 1000ius of HCG 3 times per week. So 3000.ius of HCG. You don't have to start right away there, but that would be like the aggressive dose that I would do. And then 75 IUs of HMG three times per week. Or if you even wanted to be better, this is gonna be expensive and you gotta know how to source it. But you could get recombinant FSH, which is even stronger than HMG. And I would do that 75 IUs three times per week. So those are gonna be like the, the big needle movers. And then the secondary things I would do is injectable L carnitine. So 600 milligrams or 500 milligrams three times per week. Injectable glutathione, 200 milligrams two to three times per week. And those will be the big things. And then potentially if you wanted to, just for some extra backing, you could add in enclomophene and you could do 25 milligrams of that three times per week or 12.5 milligrams every day. Whatever floats your boat. So that's what I would do for sperm parameters. And in most people you give that like three to six months. It gets things going in the right direction. I will say especially the, the recombinant FSH is like the big one that does the best. Dina says my husband had ongoing issues with a foot injury. He's done eight week protocol with cl. Does he need a break or can he keep using it since he's still healing? I always lean on the side of just using it until you're healed.
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Taylor
Completely healed. Yeah, especially. Yeah, that makes a big difference.
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Hunter
Yeah, yeah, it's. I. You might have to increase the dose beyond the eight week period. Like you might not get the same results with the same dose after eight weeks or so, but I would just keep using it until it's healed. Katie says I ordered what was termed pharma grade somatropin is a ranking per se of GH or anything to stay away from. This one seemed budget friendly and came from a trusted source, but this is my first run. I mean, I would say most of the ones out there are good. It's just there's a hierarchy in the sense that like there's generic HGH with some can be as good as pharma gh, but some are not. And it's not that they're bad like they're going to cause an issue, it's just that you'll probably have a little bit more of a side effect profile, like more Swelling, more edema, more bloating. The. The less pure the generic GH is. But then there's obviously, like, the pharma grade versions, the genotropins, the cenotropins, the Nordic trophins of the world, that, that's what I. I stick to. I'm sure there's people out there that will call what they have pharma grade, but if it's not like, from those manufacturers, it's hard to say. And then obviously, if you're not getting it from a compounding pharmacy itself, then it wouldn't be pharma grade. Here's a good question too, from Katie. She says it needs to be reconstituted. Can you discuss what would translate to one IU in the space? If not, you can ask in the group, or you can always ask in the group, Katie, But I'll say so. Typically, like, if you have a generic GH or even in this case, which would be considered pharma, or if they're calling it pharma, it's like in a 10iu bottle. So just think of, like, it's no different than if you had milligrams. So if you had a 10 milligram bottle of something, you wanted 1 milligram, you'd put 1 milliliter of water and take 10 units. If you have a 10iu bottle and you want 1iu, you'd add 1 milliliter bacteriostatic water and take 10 units. And so you can really just replace IU with milligrams. The math is the same. If it's a 24iu bottle and you wanted 2ius, you would add, what would that be? Well, that would be a bad example. Let's say it's 24. I'm trying to think of, like, even numbers that people would understand. Let's say it's a 20iu bottle. You could add 2ml mls of water, it's 10ius per ML and 10 units would be 1iu. So the math is the same. You just replace the IU for milligrams and it would be the same. Now, milligrams, typically it's 0.3mg is one IU. So 0.3mg of HGH is one IU of HGH. Rusty says, I'm currently taking ters, ldn, magnesium multivitamins, Chardian. Would adding ATX be okay?
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Taylor
Yes.
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Hunter
What do you think? Good stack?
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Taylor
It was a great stack. I mean, the only thing I would say like see how you feel with combining the HGH with or I'm sorry, the ATX with Jardians. Just make sure like if your blood pressure drops when combining them, maybe cut the Jordan down to half of it.
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Hunter
Yeah. 12.5 milligrams 25.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
This is a question I will not claim to have an expert answer on, but we'll do our best. Dina says what is your advice on raising ferritin levels for a pre menopausal woman? I already take iron, bis glycinate and lactoferrin every other day. It has moved a little.
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Taylor
Testosterone.
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Hunter
Yeah. The thing is with like when you talk about like ferritin iron that could potentially be from anemia which could be improved if you have testosterone which will raise red blood cell count which typically helps raise those levels. So it could be an anemia thing if you're not on testosterone, Dina, which I don't know if you are. John says expectations from going to, from 10 to 25 milligrams of jardiance. Honestly, nothing. Potentially a little bit lower blood pressure but from a performance enhancement or a results enhancement, nothing. I've, in my experience they've been the same.
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Taylor
Yeah. I would say insurance more on the leaner fit side. I would say probably 10 milligrams is going to be better for people that are more optimal and more fit.
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Hunter
Yeah. SH says metformin before bed. Is that an ideal time to take it? I mean anytime is fine except for around a workout but yeah, for me it's fine. You can take it in the morning if you want to.
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Taylor
I like it at bedtime.
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Hunter
Yeah. Echo says 100 pound extra fat, 59 year old female, thyroid ups, upset ups and downs. Major UN, sweet tooth knee replacement, SS31 KPV, Wolverine, all pre microcagri. Those are good. I don't see any issues with those. Obviously I would consider the hormone optimization piece, especially for a 59 year old. Usually that's a, a wreck for most 59 year olds if they're not on hormone therapy.
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Taylor
I think it's going to be hard for that person to get hormone therapy from a doctor if they're 100 pounds overweight.
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Hunter
Yeah, I mean it would be the best thing for them.
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Taylor
It'd be the best thing for them, but I think they're going to have a challenging time getting that from a doctor.
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Hunter
Yeah, I mean it's hard enough getting it from a doctor anyway. I was reading about a stack called the deadpool stack which is BPC TB500 Carax. I didn't know that was called the Deadpool stack. But hey, I'm all for it. I think Cardilax is better than both of those. Obviously you could use them all together if you wanted to.
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Taylor
Binding there. It's a really great feeling.
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Hunter
There's definitely like combining effect. And then I would add in KPB too. You had all those with kpv. You will heal very fast.
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Taylor
All right.
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Hunter
Just going through. Yes. Katie's bread is awesome. What do you feel about 20 year olds using GLPS? I have a 20 year old daughter and some of her friends are using I'm not sure is a good thing since they're so young.
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Taylor
I think it's great.
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Hunter
I think it'd be great especially for a female in that case, man. I think for a male too. It really depends on the like do they need it? And a lot of times the answer is yes. Like if they are overweight, then what is the alternative of being overweight? I think obviously even if they're not
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Taylor
overweight, I think especially, especially for females, I think it's going to be extremely beneficial because we see cases of PCOS like being higher now in women in their 20s. I think it's going to help with just like inflammatory, keeping those inflammations down. Let's be honest, 20 year olds don't really typically have the best diet. So I think it's going to be beneficial for inflammatory purposes, just like even a micro dose. And then if they are overweight, like I would say it's better to give them the GLP to help them lose weight because that's going to be more detrimental to their health. Is being overweight the real question? But it's going to help with hormones, it's going to help with fibroids. A lot of 20 year olds have that because of their diet.
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Hunter
The question is like, and I'm not saying you're saying this, Dina, but like someone would say like, oh, this is bad. All these. I've heard that there's like quote unquote, an epidemic. I wouldn't call it an epidemic. I would call it probably a good thing. The epidemic would come in the lack of intelligent use of them. But on college campuses, like GLPs are everywhere on college campuses. To which I would say, well, if I think back to my college and I went to a pretty conservative college as it goes, Wake Forest University. Go Deeks. But there's an out. You can, you can't hit a rock without finding alcohol on a college campus. And so what's the alternative? If we have them on GLPs or drinking alcohol. I'd say GLPs are going to be better in that case. Like I, I have much less worry about GLPs, even if it's used unintelligently, which would obviously not be the best thing versus like what it's what the typical college experience is, which is alcohol.
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Taylor
If like the college kids are using the GLPs and they're drinking like they need to be like warned that they're gonna get sick a lot easier from drinking, it's also gonna make them more sensitive to alcohol. So their tolerance will change.
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Hunter
Yeah, which hopefully would mean that they wouldn't. But then you know, your prefrontal cortex isn't developed so 20 year olds typically don't wanna make the best decisions. But yeah, I, in terms of like using in younger people, I have no problem with it. I even think in the case of athletes, even for ones that are not trying to lose weight, I think even if it was like 250 micrograms or 500 micrograms a week, the athletes could stand a benefit. Like I know I dealt with so many like inflammatory gut issues as an athlete. Usually athletes have guts that have been destroyed because they're eating to try to keep up, to like maintain their weights, stress levels, stress levels, lack of sleep, everything. And I've actually been thinking a lot lately of like man, if some of these like very high level athletes just had a micro dose of a glp, how much that could benefit them for performance.
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Taylor
It's going to keep their inflammation down too. And that's also going to. You could put em in a lower risk or injury.
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Hunter
Yeah, I think so. I mean you, I don't know that that will really catch on cuz you'll have like. Oh well like I don't want it to like impair like performance. But then at the same time I think the, the reduction in inflammation could be huge. Yeah, Devin says I have the bioamp atx. A hundred milligram capsules, A hundred milligram slew capsules of Mati wood doses of each before I go hit cardio. Okay. A hundred to three hundred milligrams of atx. That's where I would start. Mozzie, one milligram. I will put a warning on the hundred milligrams of slu. Please do not do that right away if you've never used SLU. I don't ever take more than 500 to 750 micrograms of SLU. And so I'm not telling you what to do. I know people like the higher doses of slu. I personally would advise against that. It never went well for me and it didn't go well for a lot of people that I know. And so just be careful. I think you can get all the results you need at like 250 to 750 micrograms of SLU, especially if you're using those other products. And so do what you want to do, Devin. But I'm just telling you my experience, like I've seen it not go well for people and I'm not saying that like it can't work for some people. That's totally fine if you already have.
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Taylor
Also, like kidney, any kind of kidney issues going on. I would not take a hundred milligrams of sleep.
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Hunter
Yeah, I would not. I would not. I've just seen it go bad for people. And even if you're doing the ATX and the, the MOT C, you don't really need it, to be honest. You could add it in just to help. But I. You're on the side of caution because right now we don't know. And practically speaking, I've didn't go well for me and that's all I can say about it. Thank you, Dina, for the kind words. East coast says. Sorry if it's been talked about if visceral score is already a one with Testament be preferred over cjc, ipa or also would there be any benefit to running IPA alone? I definitely think there would be benefit to running IPA alone. I think it depends on the person. So if it's like a leaner person, typically, I think like Tessa makes them look a little bit more bloated, so they don't like it, especially if they have low visceral fat already. And then I think women like CJC and IPPA better, especially like if they're a leaner profile. Whereas if they have a lot of fat to lose, tesrellin especially is usually better to reduce the visceral fat. And so I would say if it's a woman, start with IPPA alone. Then you can add in cjc if you respond well to that and see how you like it. And then, you know, you could play with tesl. But I, I think most women do better there.
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Taylor
I agree.
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Hunter
Asher says, which doctors have you worked with and respect their knowledge that actually understand hormones for postmenopausal women? I mean, they're not like, a lot of the doctors are not ones that have like social media presences or following. Yeah, but I'll say Neil rier, he created WorldLink Medical. He's definitely like one of the OGs in the hormone space.
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Taylor
Follow him separately from.
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Hunter
I guess, I guess there's some drama
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Taylor
going on at World Link right now with him. I don't know what's going on with that, but I would say Neil Rougier is definitely one of them personally, if you want to work with any doctor. So I'd say all the doctors at Optimize you.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
Are all great doctors.
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Hunter
Yeah. I'm trying to think of like from a social media. I'll say like Peptide wise, this would be less.
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Taylor
Lauren Fitzgerald.
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Hunter
Lauren Fitzgerald is a amazing one.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
She's like, her knowledge is superb.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
She also, you can tell like she, she lives a life like very fit, very active, like she practiced what she preaches.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Trying to think of who else like that. Obviously Dr. Elizabeth Y. Earth is one of the best, especially around Peptide stuff. Every time I hear her talk about peptides like her, she is a wealth of knowledge around peptides.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Dr. Wise. Dr. Wise. I mean there's a lot that we know, but they're like, are not public people people.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
They're like you. Even if you told them, you know, to do. Dr. Scott Howe is another one. He's not really like a public person. I think he has a website that you can go to. But yeah, it's. They're, they're out there. It's just a lot of them are not ones that you would see. Like there's so many doctors that are just. That's what they do. They're not social media people.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And thus we live in an age where sometimes the, the best person that we think is the best person is actually the. Just the best person about talking about it online.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And they're not actually the best, they're just the best about talking about it online.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And especially when you look at a doctor, obviously like the best doctor is going to be entrenched in what they're doing. They're not going to be doing social media stuff. And so that's kind of like where we live in a world today where it's like if you think someone's the best, they're really probably including myself. They might just be better about talking about online than actually like doing it because those are two different things. Gary says, have you heard AR290 in a spray causing anxiety or edginess? I didn't even know it could work in a spray and I've never used it in a Spray. So all things are possible, I guess.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
In that case. Gary. Donnie. HCG is human chic chonic gonadot tropin. It does help with energy and mood. It does boost testosterone. Um, it's just gonna be hard to get from a pharmacy. But HCG is like the. What you would use to maintain testicular function if you were on TRT or. Some guys do HCG monotherapy to raise their testosterone levels, which will never be as good as testosterone. But it beats the heck outta Cl in clomiphene, that's for sure. It's just much more natural in how it works because it's working directly on the testicular cells. We were at the corporate retreat for a HRT franchise called Optimize.
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Taylor
You.
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Hunter
I will say, like, Dr. Wise, we learned from all of them. I wouldn't say there was one there that we learned like more or less from. It was all of them what got schooled by Jerry. Yeah, Jerry smith is the PA that's one of the lead PAs for the.
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Taylor
Yeah. Especially with like the whole year phase defect that we were talking about. That was.
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Hunter
Yeah, yeah.
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Taylor
I need you more. More research on that, I'd say.
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Hunter
He didn't school us like he wasn't trying to.
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Taylor
I know he wasn't.
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Hunter
We learned a lot from him because he's a.
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Taylor
Well though, very positive.
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Hunter
Yeah. Jen in the house. She says depending on the dose amitriptyline you can take JLPs combined, they can increase chances of constipation. Still verify with the provider. There you go.
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Taylor
Thanks, Jen.
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Hunter
That's why JY is the trusty anchor co host medical. She is the Axion Collective medical faculty. Hey, Diane, glad to see you on Live. What do I think the best peptide training certification out there is? Mine. You have to take mine. Oh, wait, I don't have one. Someone says, what is the best peptide training certification out there? Ssrp, which would be.
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Taylor
Okay, sorry, I was confused.
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Hunter
Yeah, they're all good. I mean, like, if I will tell you this, like, whatever you. Whatever you want, you will find it. So if you go searching for peptide certifications, there are people out there that will charge you for that. I'm. I'm sure most of them are good. I've done not necessarily certifications, but I've been to conferences and stuff. If you. If it makes you feel better to take them, that's fine. I would maybe like eventually one day love to like build an education project or platform that like certifies people in peptides, but it wouldn't be me because I Wouldn't claim to be the end all, be all around peptide knowledge or even close to it. I would want to have a medical faculty that has like the best doctors that contribute to the education. But when you talk about this stuff, like there's anytime there's like a desperate need for education, like there will be people to fill that need and they'll take your money from it. But you know, what's the best out there? I mean, who's to say? Like maybe for a doctor SSRP is good. Like maybe a doctor doesn't like my education much because it's based in the research world and that's fine. Like it's just whatever floats you wrote. Like whatever, whatever. I think, I think people should try. If you can afford it, you should try all of them. But I will tell you this. A lot of people, because I work with so many doctors and also people that are health coaches and whatever, I have no credentials and I'm always very upfront. Like I was talking to doctors last weekend. I have no credentials, like I have no medical training. I have no any of that. And I don't claim to be. And that's not like I never will claim to do that. I'm not a doctor, I don't have medical training. I don't have any of that. If there's anything good that I've done. It's just that I've talked about my own experience and I can synthesize other people's experience into content that hopefully is helpful to them. But we talk about like peptide training out there. There's going to be different modalities, more
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Taylor
reading and studying than most medical providers.
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Hunter
Well, I'm fortunate that I have the
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Taylor
time to be able to do it
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Hunter
correct because I'm not working with patients
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Taylor
every day, one on one.
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Hunter
Yeah, I get the benefit of like, I see like so much high level data from all the people that follow us and are in our group and everything that I think it informs what I can tell people and recommend to people. And obviously too when it comes to the medical side of things, they're limited in what they can work with because they have to deal with their license and FDA and what's approved and what they can get from pharmacies and whatever. So yeah, it's, there's no, in my opinion, there's like no best. I think you should take as many as you can to get the most exposure to what's out there, to learn as much as possible. I always tell people like go, don't listen just to Me, like, go learn from other people and do what works best for you. But, you know, when it comes to the training stuff, there's. There's a lot out there, and I'm sure there will continue to be more out there. But at the end of the day, what I was going to say is that, like, a lot of people, whether you're. I think especially for, like, the health coaches people, this is maybe more, less so from the doctors because they have a license, they can go practice if they want to do peptides. They just got to have the. The ability to, like, get outside of, like, you know, if they work in a hospital system, to go out and do things on their own. You look at the health coach side of things. I talk to so many people and they want this, like, certification or they want the stamp of approval to feel validated, to go out into the world and be able to coach people with peptide stuff. And I never did any of that. And again, I'm not a doctor or anything, don't have certifications. But what I did do is I just started helping people, and then that becomes your resume. And a lot of people that they're trying to get into this, they want to feel like that someone told them that it's okay to go out and do it. And we have lots of people inside of our private group. It's interesting to see the evolution of our private group to, like, where it's helping people. But, like, a lot of it now is actually, like, helping people that help other people. So we have a lot of people inside our group that are coaching other people, and we're, like, helping them work through, like, how they would work with other people. And again, we're not practicing medicine. We're not doing that. We're just, like, talking about, like, how you would coach someone. But what I will tell you is, like, no one is going to give you permission. So if you go to SSRP, if you go to a 4M, if you go to wherever, like, they're still not going to give you permission to go out and do it. You just have to do that yourself. And so I would tell all those people. A lot of people get very hung up of, like, oh, I'm not qualified, like, I have imposter syndrome, whatever, to be able to go out and help other people. And it's like, no one is going to do that for you. Like, the only. Only way to do that is to. To talk to people and go do it. It's. It reminds me a lot of my days as a Real estate agent. And I remember I was 23 years old starting in real estate. And most the average age of a real estate agent is 55 years old. And so I was around a lot of people that were like 20 or 30 years older than me in the office working. And what I would see is they would do all of these things. They would do their website, they would get this three letter certification, they would go to this training course and whatever. And I was always like, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Like what does this have to do with actually helping people? And what I did, very aggressively, very fast is I went out and I talked to as many people as I could and I learned through trial of like how to actually help people, what I needed to do to be able to convey how I could help them. And then I learned the ins and outs of it. And then within two years I had all these clients because I was so effective at communication, communicating how to help people. They felt very secure in trusting me. But guess what? None of those three little courses, none of the weekend courses, none of the extra things taught me that it was just doing it over and over and over and over again at a high level. And I think that's where people get hung up is like they feel like when it comes to pep, that stuff, especially if you're just a coach, not a medical professional, that you have to have like this, this like permission from some governing body to go do it. And as it stands right now, like the best thing you just do is talk to people and help solve their problem. I don't know what the upcoming bridge program is. It could be, it could be the Medicaid. I think there's one of the go. Maybe One of the GOP's is going to be on Medicaid or Medicare now. Yeah, that might have been what she was talking about. Yeah. Gary said someone else if I started with 100 milligrams of testing Clomiphine. Yeah, 200 milligrams please. Just start there. You can always go back down, but you can really mess yourself up. Devin says, do I have any stack recommendations for male pattern baldness, general hair loss? I use 2% Ketocon shampoo every other day. RU58841 Daily Ahq. So unitely. I really like those things. What I would stay away from is finasteride. I get messages all the time of guys that took finasteride and they induce a personality or a psychological crisis in their lives because they're inhibiting yeah. Inhibiting dht. And some people, it works for them. It's kind of funny now there's like a big drama with like, Trump having taken finasteride, which you like Trump or hate Trump. That'll explain a lot. So I would stay away from the finasteride. Minoxidil is like. Okay. Like, I'm not the biggest fan of it, but I really like those things.
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Taylor
You know, red light therapy.
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Hunter
Red light therapy. Medical grade red light therapy.
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Taylor
If you get really good exosomes, they can work, but you have to be able to find, like, really good ones.
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Hunter
Yeah. Exosomes can be really beneficial too. I've heard from people.
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Taylor
And then it goes like into the scalp.
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Hunter
Yeah. Joel says I'm hesitant to do the blood test because I have an inherited blood anemia called beta thalassemia. My blood tests are off or appear different because of this. Unfortunately, I don't know on that one. So I don't wanna say anything that's outside the bounds of what I don't know. Yeah. Wendy says he's 63 and a hundred milligrams. A hundred milligrams per day? You sure it was a hundred milligrams per day? Unless it's cream. If that's what he's injecting. That would be a lot.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
I mean, 1500 total and 400 free is right where I like people to be. To be. But 100 milligrams per day, that would actually be a lot. 700 milligrams per week. Probably feel really good. Rick says, can I take CJC up in the morning and test at night? You could. I just. I really wouldn't need to. I would just like rotate in between them. Testosterone and heart disease. Not allowed. My doctor. Is this correct? According to your doctor is correct, but they're very factually wrong and there's tons of data in the opposite direction.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Have you tried B7333 for. Or B733 for fibrosis? Would peptides recommend for cardiac fibrosis in the body? Have you heard about KP1? I've heard about KP1. I. It's really expensive. I've never used it, so I can't really speak to it. B733 is great. I would also use TB500. You'd use like 500 microgreens of B7 3 3. I would use like 1 to 2 milligrams per day of TB500. And those would be like my anti fibrotic stack. That would be really Good for that. And probably some SS31 too to just help with the heart tissue. Joel says I walk three to four miles five days a week with 12 pound weight vest and two weight, two pound weight bands on each arm. I walk mid to fast. Is this enough cardio for me? At 66 it probably is. I would just say just measure your heart rate and if your heart rate is like 120 to 140 beats per minute, then you're good. That's like what is going to be zone through cardio. So for most people that would be enough. Like I know when I do my weight vest, it's a 40 pound weight vest. Like that is definitely enough to get my heart rate. Yeah. And I'm just walking a lot slower than I would normally walk with that weight vest on and my heart rate gets up that high because it's so heavy. Dina says I'm on testosterone, but as a cream my serum levels are still low. Yep. And I. That's why I hate cream for women or men for that picture.
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Taylor
Yep. I agree with that.
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Hunter
Yeah. Uh, you seen or heard anyone that's taken 40 milligrams a day of SS31? I'm curious. This significantly felt or have a better effect? Yeah, I haven't personally. Obviously the clinical data is around people that are doing that. I think it's just one of those things like that becomes so cost per headed for people. You literally have to spend thousands just to do that for one month. Probably have to spend the neighborhood of like 5,000 bucks to do that for one month at that dose. And so I haven't personally, but I know for me, I think the more mitochondrially optimized someone is, there is going to be a dose beyond to which it just doesn't matter. Maybe that's 5, maybe it's 10, maybe it's 15. But in my experience I've gone as high as 10 milligrams a day and I didn't notice any more benefit than like 2 to 5. Like it felt kind of the same. What is the best TERs dosing and frequency for someone using it not for weight loss, but suppress food noise and reduce inflammation? I mean it depends on the person, but I'd probably say like half a milligram twice a week.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Like somewhere in there, you know, it could be half a milligram three times a week.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
1.51 to 2ish milligrams.
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Taylor
Yeah. Under. Under two.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
That's what I would say. Most people would be under two.
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Hunter
Yeah. I mean, some people get massive appetite suppression with that much.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
But I would say for most people is if, if they're on it for a while, you can take that dose. You won't have that much appetite suppression, but you'll still get all those other benefits. Do women use injectable testosterone? Yes, they can and should. And I would throw those troches in the trash.
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Taylor
Yeah, troches. Not gonna. Yeah, not gonna do well, especially if, like, someone's more androgen sensitive. Like.
- [114:24]
Hunter
Yes, even worse.
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Taylor
Yeah, it's going to be even worse if you're more androgen sensitive. Like, that's where, like the acne can come into play with, like the troches and with the, with the topical creams, you're going to see more of that.
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Hunter
Yeah. Can anything be done for hyperthyroidism, graves disease using peptides? Not that I know of, to be honest. So you could try the thyroid bioregulators. I think thyen is the name of it. So that would be the first thing I do because those are modulators of tissue and so forth. Overactive thyroid, that would help bring it into balance. So that would be my, my only thing that I would say, like, potentially, but that's not one. It's obviously a little bit more rare that you hear that as opposed to hypothyroid. And so I just don't know as much about it. Frank says I adhere to a low carb diet for the cognitive mood benefits I've experienced from it. I'm interested in trying reda, but reh, it's critical consumer carbs with it. Is that true? I mean, I think it is. I mean, there's people that do fine on a low carb diet with reta. I think if you're not using carbs, you're. You're probably leaving some on the table because if you think about it, you're improving metabolic flexibility and metabolic efficiency to which you would benefit from using the carbs because your body's now going to process them better. And so what I would do, like, if you, if you like the low carb diet for the mood cognitive benefits, what I would do is you could do cyclical carbs. So you could have carbs just around your workout or you could do fasting. So you could, like fast for a certain part of time and then introduce carbs. So there's a lot of ways you can do it. I'm doing 1mg of Retta trying to chisel for summer. Also mot C, 1mg 5 on 2 off and CJC Ipatessa before bed. Can I quit retta with no side effects. Not seeing any extra leanness, just slow bowel movement improvements. Yeah, at a low dose you could probably just stop it right away. If you're on a higher dose, I'd probably recommend to titrate down. But yeah, I think you should be fine if it's that low of a dose. Can you speak more on the high dose S O U from a kidney perspective, if negatively impacts any health with lower dosage still pose negative side effects? Not in my experience because I stay I can use low dose and my blood work, my GFR and creatinine, everything's fine. Think about it like this. If, and this could be, I, I, I grant that this could be potentially wrong, but this is how I think about it, this how it feels. This is what I've seen in practice. Taking high dose s is like putting your car in the garage with the door closed and turning the engine on and revving the gas. Eventually you will have so much exhaust build up because you're sitting and doing that that you cause these issues to basically like where you're, you're supplicating. And so it's not only kidney, it's just this whole host of oxidative stress that is now hammering the body that is causing issues. And as someone who has taken 400 milligrams a day for two weeks in a row, you get this metabolic fatigue and burnout. And so it feels very similar to if I had worked out for, for six hours a day, every day in a row. Like eventually your body is going to beg you to stop and think of how people get rhabdomyolysis from. I'm not saying that you're gonna get rhabdomyolysis from taking high dose slu. What I am telling you is rhabdomyolysis comes from when someone over trains so much that the kidneys basically just shut down. And I have seen people's GFR drop from 90 to 60 after doing prolonged periods of high dose SLU. You also, again, whether or not that happens or not could be the person like it didn't specifically happen to me, but after doing high dose for two weeks I felt brain fog fatigue again. Like I had been over training and so to each their own. Some people, if you like this is, what I'm saying is like if you want to do that and that's fine for you, like I have no issue with that. But I'm just telling you my experience and Then like what can happen? From what I've seen, I have an athlete that's been on Reddit for two years for bodybuilding. Her body is so effective. After using this in a nutshell it now seems she can't live without it. Close to pen days. Body soreness, sweat, etc Trying to see if there's like another part of that. I mean Retta can be a miracle for bodybuilders. Just a low dose.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Cuz they're bodybuilders are like doing everything right anyway and so like they're the prime example of like how good it can be because they're doing so much right. Tommy says hi from Al Kirk. You just started test injections with my primary was new to them too. So I'm the test doing three times weekly sub Q injections but not sure in dose total t less than 12 free. 0um yeah, I mean I would just have it. You could break those up into like 65 milligrams per shot and do it. Was there like a second part of that?
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Taylor
But I saw. Well now it's not there anymore so I don't know.
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Hunter
Okay.
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Taylor
Oh, postmenopausal.
- [119:21]
Hunter
There we go. Female and postmenopausal to go. Oh, okay. So this is. Sorry, I Tommy, I thought it was a man. Yeah, I would say probably like 10ish to 15mg per week. So if you had like 2 1/2 to 5mg per dose I think that would be a good starting point to see how you feel.
- [119:38]
Taylor
Yeah, I would say don't go up too soon with that dosing though. Yeah, just stay on that for like four weeks. See how you feel.
- [119:45]
Hunter
Yeah.
- [119:45]
Taylor
And then move up. A lot of women will move up after only like one or two weeks of being on it and then they start getting negative side effects. You want to slowly reintroduce it back into your system because it you haven't had any in so long. Especially if you're postmenopausal.
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Hunter
Yeah. You definitely want to like slow down when you're introducing testosterone for a woman because like very small dose those changes can have large effects. And as I always tell people like the, the bad side effects are usually in the delta. So like the bad side effects are usually in the period of change. And it's like once the body has a chance to adapt it usually does pretty well.
- [120:16]
Taylor
Do not change if it's been under four weeks.
- [120:20]
Hunter
Yeah. Recommendations for lack of motivation, brain fog or low energy. Have thyroid and hormones in place. 50 year old female. Okay. So if, yeah you have lack of motivation, I mean is it, you know, like, is it more of like a brain derived thing? You know, potentially in something like that, like tesofensine increases dopamine, it could help with motivation.
- [120:44]
Taylor
Do I would all. I would try doing KPV internasally.
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Hunter
That could potentially help a lot with brain function.
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Taylor
With brain fog.
- [120:52]
Hunter
Yeah. KPV helps with so many things. If, if it's, it's kind of one of those things.
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Taylor
Like what is.
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Hunter
Because this is like a very broad thing. Like what is driving the issue? Potentially that could be a mitochondrial thing. So like SS31 could be huge for that. Like if it's mitochondrial dysfunction, assuming that the, the thyroid and the hormones are taken care of like we would recommend, is it like an underlying gut issue, you know that KPV and BPC lorazotide and some of those things that can help or is it like a brain issue, you know, that tessofensine would make better or you know, P21 or PE 2228 would do. And so there's a lot of ways you could approach that. I would just kind of ask like, do you, do you feel like, you know what it's, is it like a sleep issue? Because a lot of times you don't sleep enough or your sleep isn't deep enough. It could be a thing. So you clarify please about desiccated thyroid and low carb. I was on go for two months but didn't lose any. Now switch to zap tide hoping will help finally lose 50 pounds. So typically what happens is someone is on a very low carb diet for prolonged periods of time, the thyroid will begin to slow down. And what will happen is if you are trying to lose weight and your thyroid is too slow and it's not keeping the metabolism up, you will stall out. And so no, there will be a point to like you can restrict all carbs and you will not lose weight anymore. But typically what can happen is, is if you introduce carbs, it helps the thyroid. The thyroid is like, oh, we have energy now, we can burn this. And now I'm going to push through those plateaus because I have energy to burn, which again speed the thyroid up.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And so this guy named Ray Pete, who there's like a lot of like mythical lore around his health content on the Internet actually had like this idea of like using foods that make the body hot and carbs can make the body hot because they give you energy to which now the thyroid is fine functioning, doing. And so that's what I mean by that is like, eventually you see a lot of low carb people. They get like, hands cold. They're like body's cold all the time. Like you want at that point. Like the body's too cold, you need to burn hot. And like the carbs can help kickstart that to be the gas in the tank. Where do I personally source my SGLT2 very interest in training. I source my LDM from ASRX, but they only care Brini. I think Brini is fine. It doesn't seem like there's. There's that much difference between all of them. Branabi, it's a lot cheaper. But now Fariga, you're gonna have to go through the rigamarole to get it. But if you can get a prescription from your doctor, Fariga is 30 through $30 a month without insurance. So you can get Fariga through Trump Rx, which then goes to AstraZeneca, which is then fulfilled by Aspen Pharmacies. And Taylor and I both get Now Farca for $30 a month because it's a generic now. So that'd be my recommendation, is find a doctor that can write it for you. And it does take.
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Taylor
Be patient. It does.
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Hunter
Yeah. It does take a while because there's. So it literally just became generic like a month ago or two months ago.
- [123:41]
Taylor
I mean, it might take them a month and like, ask them. Pharmacy will call you. So, like, it's annoying. But answer the calls that you don't know because it could be them. They'll call you. And as I say, answer it because if you try to call them, you're not going to get through.
- [123:55]
Hunter
Yeah. So but you can get it. We get Farseek and Al for 30 bucks a month, but it can take
- [124:01]
Taylor
up to a month. Like once your doctor sends in the prescription and can take it, like, it can take as some pharmacy, like a month to contact you.
- [124:08]
Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
And then sometimes also. And then when you need refills, you have to, you know, aggressively call them. Yeah. Or they'll. Well, they'll. No, they call me when I'm ready for a refill. They'll call me.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
So but you have to answer the phone when. When they call.
- [124:21]
Hunter
Yeah. Because then you call back and you
- [124:23]
Taylor
call back and you won't get anybody. And there's no way you can do an automatic, like, renewal without them having to call you. Because it's. Yeah. Trial.
- [124:31]
Hunter
Yeah. It's a mess right now. But if you wanted to buy it via alternative sources. I will not talk about those Publicly. So you'd have to be in my private group to do so. And I hate to do that. Like I'm not trying to like dangle a carrot, but like that's just the nature of the beast when it comes to social media stuff. Can you explain how to tame appetite on enclomophene? Also on reta, split dose 4 milligrams twice a weekly. But can't stop eating? Um, yeah. I mean your testosterone's higher so your metabolism's higher, so you're gonna want to eat more. I would say it's not necessarily a bad thing, but if the appetite's a problem, a couple things you can do interventionally you can do or forgl. Just take that on days that you know that like the appetite's gonna be raving. That will usually knock it out. Tessofensine. I always go back to tessofensine. I forget to talk about it. But like that does have an appetite suppressing effect in a lot of people. Calicurb, the supplement Calicurb you can get is a good one. So there's other things out there that you can do and it will probably normalize after a little bit, but which you're. If you're just starting it or have recently started it, your body's going through this metabolic adaptation to now. Wow. Now you're burning more calories. So it's like craving more food.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
And then sometimes two people get more hungry on retta cuz their. Their metabolic rate's increasing on retta. Oral nandrolone daily is all over social media. I didn't even know that was a thing. Oral nandrolone, I didn't even know that was possible. No, but I'm not. I mean like nandrolone, that's deca. It's like whatever. Like I don't know. I know there's like a nandrolone only contingent and people do that and that's fine, but just whatever. To me it's a different type of Testosterone. Like it's 19 or testosterone, which can be different. I think for some people it can be good, but it's okay. If that's what people jive with, it's fine. But I just don't know. I didn't even know there was an oral version. Wendy says cream, I inject. And I am trying to him to switch, but he has a heavy travel schedule and only does. Well, that would make sense to. Why is testosterone lower? Because the cream will typically do that for people. Because it doesn't. My opinion doesn't like saturate the receptors long enough and I've seen that a lot.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Does heart rate eventually go down on retta? Depends on the person. Clinically, trial speaking, it does. But some people, it doesn't. So someone with autoimmune and hyperglycemic what we use low dose tirzepatide would be the first thing for sure. And I'd say Thyminacin Alpha 1 and LL37 would help too. Is KP1 that expensive? Honestly, I haven't been able to source it. Think about a powerful stack of SOU915, SS31, B733 and potential KP1. Found a source? I don't have a source, but from what I've heard from other people, it's like 800 a bottle. So, I mean, I don't know. I've never tried it. So. For Graves, autoimmune TA1? Yeah, sure. I think so. Like, I think that would. That would be a good thing. I don't think it would hurt is what I'm saying for that. But again, I just don't. Sometimes I don't want to speak specifically to things that I don't know. You can mitigate the high dose S by adding PQQ and your A. You probably could. Like, I'm sure that helps. Probably SS31 too.
- [127:41]
Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
58. Taking 12 and a half milligrams of TS a week I and CJC 8 units each per night. I've meat aversion. Can't seem to move scale from 160. I'm thinking starting Reddit and Tessa suggestions. You definitely could. It's just one of those things, like, especially at 58, I would again to beat the dead horse and be annoying for everyone. Like ask about your hormones. Cause if you're on that much tirzepati per week and you're on a GH agonist combo like that, there's no reason, if your hormones are optimized, that you shouldn't be moving the scale. Assuming that you're exercising and dieting healthy
- [128:14]
Taylor
and everything, testosterone's gonna help tremendously.
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Hunter
Yeah. Like, sure, you could do reta and ters, maybe that moves a little bit, but it's not gonna fix the. The underlying issue.
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Taylor
Put go down one. She put another. No, sorry, one more after that. There you go.
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Hunter
On 7.5 ters, clo 80, NAD and glutathione and are on a plateau. No medical condition. 47 years woman. Any suggestions? I'm also on HRT. Yeah, I mean, kind of depends if the HRT is injectable testosterone, progesterone. I would say if that's the case. Because a lot of times when people say hrt, that can be a loaded statement. But yeah, if you're doing all those, you know, maybe five amino helps, maybe SS31 helps, maybe MOT C helps.
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Taylor
But more hit cardio.
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Hunter
Yeah, more hit cardio, Maybe even more carbs.
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Taylor
More carbs.
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Hunter
You know, depending on if you're doing a low carb diet. Can also sometimes help the thyroid. Yeah, I would say thyroid too.
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Taylor
Thyroid. We didn't talk about thyroid, but definitely thyroid.
- [129:19]
Hunter
Yeah. I don't know any suppliers for Canada and even if I did, I wouldn't talk about them online. Cause that'll get your content taken down on TRT. 40mg three times a week and tests about a thousand. Climax takes a while. And my provider suggested hcg. What are your thoughts? I think for some guys that can be helpful. Like I. I definitely think HCG for a lot of guys helps with sexual function.
- [129:41]
Taylor
Injectable estrad.
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Hunter
Yeah. Here's what's interesting is I don't know if this is the case. So there's a drug called the. Which is an ssri. The delays climax in men that have premature ejaculation. And I wonder in some cases if someone's on an ssri. I'm not saying in this case it is, but if like there's a serotonin interplay there that potentially is affecting that with climax. Potentially too. It could be. I wonder what the estradiol is here. Because a lot of times estradiol will help with sensitivity and the erection that would then lead to climax. So if you're using an aromatase inhibitor or things of that nature, that would obviously be affecting it as well. Yeah, so it just. It kind of depends on the person. I would need to know more. But HCG could definitely help, especially because a lot of times like you get extra aromatization out of the hcg, which then would help with sensitivity, which would then help with climax. So that'd be my recommendation for what I can estimate there. Yeah, May says no testosterone. Well, that would be the reason that would be.
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Taylor
So that would be one I would definitely. Which makes me think that probably taking progesterone and estradiol patch. Stop taking. If you are. I would stop taking the estrad. Estrad patch and get on no estrad patch. Just progesterone day 12 or. Yeah, so just progesterone days 12 of the month. So progesterone I And Again, even being at the hormone conference, like, I'm all. I think a lot of the doctors are agreed with this, is that, like, progesterone every day is way more beneficial than just day 12. Starting on day 12. So I would definitely switch that and then get testosterone.
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Hunter
Yeah.
- [131:45]
Taylor
No estrogen at your age.
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Hunter
Devin says, can I add NAD with my 1mg mot C, 200mg atx pre cardio. Would I add SS31 at the same time or does it matter? I mean, SS31's kind of up to you. You could if you wanted to.
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Taylor
I would just do it. I would save and do it during a different cycle.
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Hunter
Yeah, NAD is fine. I just lean towards using five amino.
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Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Because it's so much. I think it's better.
- [132:08]
Taylor
That's what I would say. Don't worry about the SS31 right now. Put the NAD and the injectable 5amino with the MOT C together, like NATX. That's gonna be like.
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Hunter
Yeah.
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Taylor
The perfect sauce for a pre cardio.
- [132:19]
Hunter
Yeah.
- [132:20]
Taylor
Workout. And then wait and use the SS31. Especially, like, if you're, like, in a fat loss phase. I would wait and use SS31 once you're kind of done out of your fat loss phase.
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Hunter
Yeah. Our group is just called the Axion Collective. So if you go to the links, there's always a link in the video description. Just click on the links thing and then you'll see a button that says join the group and then it's there. And it's 99amonth. You can cancel any time. I know some people do this, like, they're just gonna do it. They just join to get the information or to, like, ask me a question or two and then they leave, which I can't stop people from. From doing. But I love. I love the group. For me, it's like every day I get to interact in a group and help people. And there's so much of other people meeting other people in the group. So we got like 250 people in there now. It's going really strong. We love doing the calls on Thursday night. And so it's been going good. We've had a lot of people join recently, but that's there. So is oxytocin for intimacy? Yes, it can help with that. I would not say it has a molly effect, though. No, no.
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Taylor
I would say it helps with intimacy in the sense of, like. I think it's great for people that, like, have, like, a harder time with empathy and getting more in Touch with their feelings or if you're. Especially for females, because intimacy is a mental. Is very much mental for a lot of women and to kind of just help with them relaxing their mind and getting their mind in that place of relaxation.
- [133:56]
Hunter
Agreed.
- [133:56]
Taylor
Or if it. Or if you're a man who struggles to be more in touch with their feelings and feeling empathy and empathy like. And feeling that empathetic area. I think it's great too.
- [134:08]
Hunter
Yeah. We spoke a couple months ago. My wife had symptoms of blood work slow, showed hyperthyroidism with TSH and T4, T3 Gutteron, thyroid by regular as suggested and the liposomal glutathione. Hopefully that helped.
- [134:23]
Taylor
Yeah.
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Hunter
Oh, he finished the comment hyper. Switched to hypo for a couple weeks and went away. Blood work came back to normal. Still taking glutathione. There you go. Those BI regulators. Yeah, they do work in a lot of cases. We'll answer these next couple, then we'll shut it down. Check out oxalo Oxaloacetate. I've actually used that, but I didn't know this because they both work on Ampk, but it feels like it works synergistically better with ATX 304. Very good to know. I do like the oxaloacetate. You can get that off Amazon. Dina, the AI is available to everyone. It is completely free right now. So just go to chat hunter williamshealth.com and you can play around with it. Chat Hunter williamshealth.com.
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Taylor
And.
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Hunter
Lumbrok K and Serrapeptase. I think those are good. I think they're good to take. Um, why do you recommend SS31 outside of a fat loss phase? I haven't thought about this even when scheduling my SS31 cycles. I mean, I think you do it in or out of fat loss phase. Like it's good to have both.
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Taylor
Yeah. So I think it's more beneficial to use it after a fat loss phase because you think about it like you're in fat loss phase. You're. You're burning more energy, you're in a calorie deficit. It's gonna be a little bit more taxing on the body. I think it's gonna come in and kind of act as a way to help replenish the body and to replenish the mitochondria structure because it's been through. When you're in fat loss phase, your body's in more stress.
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Hunter
Yeah.
- [136:08]
Taylor
So it's going to go in there and kind of replenish the stress, the stress damage. That's been done to the body.
- [136:12]
Hunter
Yeah, I like 5amino sub Q and I would start with 1mg. 1-2mg for me is the sweet spot. I know people do like 10 milligrams. Hey, if you. If you like it, all for you. But I like 1 to 2 milligrams. That works really well for me. And closing out with Sean. Thank you, Sean. You're the best too. He says Axion is the best. Best info at best access. We appreciate that. Appreciate everyone in there.
- [136:34]
Taylor
Yes.
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Hunter
Including you, Sean. So, yes, we will go ahead and shut it down. As always, thank you guys for making our Saturday morning so fun and so entertaining. Hopefully you enjoy this as much as we enjoy making it, but you know where to find us. Like I said, all those links are in that one link out there. But we appreciate and love each and every one of you, whatever form or fashion it is, you support us using our code of places, being in the group, being on the email list, sharing this with friends and family. It goes so much further than, you know, in helping us bring this to you. So thank you guys and hopefully we'll be back in two weeks for that.
- [137:06]
Taylor
Thank you guys.
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Hunter
We'll see you in the next one. Yeah, peace.