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And I believe we are live.
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Live.
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Good Saturday morning. Today is July 25, 2026, and it is a furiously raining morning here in North Carolina. But much needed rain, especially for our garden. Yes, very much needed because it has been a drought for sure. Um, if you guys could I see some comments. Welcome. Good to be back. It's been a little too long since we did the last coffee talk. If you could just let us know if we sound okay and if we look. Well, look clear.
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Yeah,
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and we'll get that out of the way. I know it's annoying, but I just want to make sure I'm not talking. The comments are a little delayed.
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Yeah, sound is good.
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All right. We are ready to rock and roll. Well, I think today, obviously. Welcome. You can put your questions or comments in the chat and we will make sure we get all those wherever you are watching. And before we do that, I think the elephant in the room today, if you keep up with the peptide space, is the pcac, I guess pcac, whatever you want to call it, met on Thursday and Friday of this week to basically decide or give their opinions about whether peptides should be moved from category two or the majority of the peptides that we use in the world today from category two to category one. And I believe out of the first seven, was it seven that they looked at, they agreed to move six of them. However, a lot of that I think my understanding of the process, and I'm not a lawyer, definitely not a politician, my understanding the process is that they still have a ways to go. This was kind of like the initial hearing, preliminary hearing on whether to even put this in front of the FDA to now where the FDA will have the final decision. Seems like based on the current administration, that they will. Who knows what will happen. But it was interesting to me, and I'll go in for. For anyone that doesn't understand that what this means for those specific peptides does not mean they are FDA approved, does not mean they are officially drugs or anything like that. Now what it does mean is that they are basically on a list right now that considers them category two, which means that they cannot be legally manufactured by a compounding pharmacy in the United States. Compounding pharmacies exist to make medications that people cannot get otherwise via a typical drug manufacturer. So that's tons of different medications that are necessary to be made by compounding pharmacies because they're not produced at a higher level by some of the bigger drug manufacturers. And the rule is now Those however many 13, 16 peptides I forget how many it is, are on that category two list, which means it's illegal for compounding pharmacies to make them or strongly advised against. The hope, at least in the peptide world, is that those peptides get moved from category two to category one, which would mean that compounding pharmacies can now make them. They are not FDA approved, but compounding pharmacies can legally make them and that means the doctors can prescribe to their patients and have them fulfilled from a compounding pharmacy. Now, you might think that's a good thing, you might think that's a bad thing. I think at the end of the day, a rising tide lifts all ships. So of course I want people to be able to access whatever they want to put in their bodies. And do I think that they should always have to have a prescription to do that? No. Like I think we should have sovereignty over our own bodies and do what they do. But I do think in terms of getting more awareness to peptides, I think on the whole it is a good thing. Basically what happened this week is that they met and looked at BPC, TB500KPV, Mot C, D Sip, Epitalon and Cmax to decide whether those could get decategorized from Category 2 to Category 1. They voted yes on everything. Although I think the votes, the votes were pretty close. There was like 14 people on the panel or whatever. The votes were pretty close. But they did vote yes on everything except D sip, which is crazy. I found very interesting. I mean, at the end of the day, as long as we have ways to get peptides, albeit through pharmaceutical means or ulterior means, whatever it is, I'm all for either of those things. And so even if they will have voted no on all of these, I think the ultimate answer is like, for, for our corner of the world, it probably doesn't matter that much unless they really got aggressive and trying to stop people.
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Yeah.
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Which it doesn't seem like they're doing right now. However, I did think it was weird out of all of those peptides that they denied one that has more human data around it than most of the others. DCEP actually might have more human data around it than all of those going back to the 1980s.
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Like you look at DSEP versus like MOT C. Like, yeah, there's a MOT C is great, but like, you can have a lot worse side effects with MOT C than you can with dcep. But I think there's reasons behind why they. I think DCEP is going to compete with Pharmaceutical products. Well, and dip helps with opioid addiction.
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Before I, Before I. Within the first. I was gonna say before, in the first 10 minutes, we put our channel at risk even more.
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Yeah.
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I will say this last time I read somewhere there was about 35 million Americans addicted to opioids. And that's where I'll leave it at that. And you can infer what you want to from that. But if dip somehow, some way was able to help with that, I think the conspiracy theorist.
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Something with something else maybe, or maybe they'll make it FDA approved. I don't know.
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I just do think it was. And again, I don't have. The ironic part is yesterday I filmed the masterclass on dip because I had prepared that this week we were out of town. I got back this week and something just. I. I had a few that I wanted to do. I was like, you know, let me do dip. I think it was more probably because categorically is a little bit different than the most recent ones that I've done. And I want to like, you know, like kind of move from category to category of peptides that I'm filming for the master class. But I was filming that in the morning yesterday and so I didn't know I hadn't. I wasn't paying attention to like whether it was or not going to be moved. But I just, again, it doesn't really matter to me one way or the other. But it is weird. And again, I think if you talk about like safety profile, I'm all for. I love MOT C. Oh yeah. But like MOT C, if there's anyone out there that has more anecdotal reports of people using MOT C, I would put myself up there with anyone that's heard more about people using matc and it's. There's a more than substantial contingent of people that respond badly to it. And again, that doesn't mean I'm against it. I love Matzi. But it is interesting out of all of those, the dip was the like, dip is so like. I've never heard anyone having a bad response to tsip other than maybe it they take it at night or, or they take it at night, it makes them not sleep as good. And some people do better taking it in the morning. Like, it actually does help a lot of people if they take it in the morning, sleep better at night. Whereas like some people take it at night and it doesn't, like you said, don't do anything. Or they actually like, are a little bit more restless than they Would have
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been great for jet lag.
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Great for jet lag. I mean, it's. It's weird. Well, it's very interesting because when you pair dip and epitalon together, that's like, I think either of those beautiful. Yeah, well, like, D sip is one of those that, like, it works better with epitalon more than it works on its own. Like, it's one of those. It's like, it's kind of like AOD 9604. Like on its own, it doesn't really do anything, but if you put it with Tessa Morellin or growth hormone, you will get like an added benefit. Yeah, I think decent is like similar
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combining like NAD with MOT C or 5amino.
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Correct. Yeah, it just has like a little bit of a synergistic effect where if you're trying to address sleep. But anyway, who knows? And I think the next meeting isn't until February of next year where they're looking at some of the other ones. So again, this is going to be more of a long, drawn out, arduous process, as is most things with government, unfortunately. But I think at the end of the day, it's a. It's a symbol of the zeitgeist of what's going on right now, which is that peptides are becoming more mainstream. Everywhere you go, people are talking about peptides. Um, you know, it's funny, we were, because we just got back from our vacation and you end up talking to strangers at the beach or hotels or whatever. And like, everyone's on pep. It's just funny because, like, everyone's on peptides now and they're like, showing you on their phone what they're taking because they don't really know what they do or which one everyone is taking. Wolverine. It's like CLO and Retta and Tessa. Yeah, that's what everyone's on. CLO plus Reddit and Tessa.
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Yeah.
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Which, I mean, I'm. I'm all for. But it's just funny too, because a lot of these people, they don't. They might as well be talking in Mandarin, you know, because they don't understand what they're on. They're like, hey, is this a good thing if you know about peptides? So it's kind of funny. I think that's where what I probably fail to realize is, like, how many people are taking peptides that actually have no idea why they're taking them or what they're taking them. It's just like.
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Or they just hear my friend told
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me or my Brother told me.
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Yeah, what did somebody ask? Like, what's the best peptide for like longevity? Like, like overall, like health. And that was a question you gotta ask a couple times. I don't know. I was, I was. You were in the pool? I was purposely.
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Well, that's funny.
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I was not getting in the pool because I did not want to engage.
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Well, I guess in one way it's good because like two years ago I think if I would have told people what I do, they just are either sketched out or they have no idea what I'm talking about. And now people are like, oh yeah, I know what that is. So that's pretty cool to, to see. I think it. And it symbolizes kind of like hopefully people taking control more of their health. But anyway, I think that's the, the news of the day, so to speak, is Peptides seem to be moving in the right direction. I did think it was weird about the dub thing, like out of all of them that that would have been the one. But hey, I mean, it is what it is. I don't get to make the rules, that's for sure. And I don't ever plan on making the rules. So anyway, any other hot, hot takes, hot topics before we jump in? No.
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Coffee made my cappuccino good. And it's actually, you made it like match my own.
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That was 1000% by design. I looked in the cabinet and I was like, I know Taylor's gonna wear brown, which I didn't. And I know you want a brown mug, which I didn't. But it all worked out.
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I'll work out.
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Maybe subconsciously I telepathically knew that I
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was actually gonna wear a white shirt. And then I got my makeup off, switched the brown one.
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I can never wear white. Although I'm wearing it today. Let's see if I can get through today's episode without staining my white shirt with coffee or water. I guess there's worse things you could stain it with than water. Yeah, what was I gonna say? Oh, the cappuccino, how are those? I made those with those sugar free flavor syrups. Is it good? Is it similar? Is it?
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So it's interesting. How many packs did you put in this swan?
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I put half of it into the espresso and half of it into the
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mold, which is what I did. But you know what's interesting? Like, I wish you would taste it, but you won't taste it, even though I keep asking you to taste it. So I got these.
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I'll taste it at Some point.
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But sugar free coffee syrups from. Is it. What did I say it was like, Paco, what did I say it was called? Poke Po is. And they're sugar free. They're sweetened with monk fruit and allulose, and they're organic, but it. It seems like there's a lot in a pack. But they're not actually. It's actually not that sweet. But maybe it's because I've been like, putting actual sugar in my coffee, which I know is not good, and I'm trying to stop. That's why I got those.
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And is it weird if I like sucralose sometimes better than regular sugar?
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Well, when we were like, in Italy, I was putting like sucralose and sugar into the coffee because sometimes I think it's sweeter and I don't need as much.
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What will kill you faster is the question.
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I guess in my mind. I don't drink alcohol. I don't smoke weed anymore.
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I feel like I'm not with something sweet. I'm not saying for you. I'm just saying. I know, like, pick your. I know, but who knows? Maybe it's not even that bad for that. I used to always be like, oh, well, sucralose is bad because it's a chemical sweetener.
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You know what? I don't like stevia.
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I like stevia. But I know there's like, probably like 25 of people hate stevia. I think monk fruits.
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I like monk fruit. But then sometimes I feel like it hurts my stomach.
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I wonder if it's the erythritol that's in it.
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Yeah, well, like the monk fruit and the oat. And our oatmeal doesn't.
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Yeah, because I made sure that that doesn't have erythritol in it. Yeah, it's just pure monk fruit extract.
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And then people taste extract in that.
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If people tasted pure monk fruit extract, they would actually be pleasant. What?
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It's like very. I don't know. I feel like when we were tasting them, it was kind of bitter.
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Oh, well, that's because you were tasting
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like the actual powder.
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No, you were tasting like a hundred times more than like. Oh, But I'm saying, like, if you got a pure monk fruit extract into coffee or into like an oatmeal like I have with my oatmeal, it's actually really good. It just is like very, very concentrated because it's way sweeter than stevia. But if you get the right amount, the flavor profile, in my opinion, and it's like a.
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Like it looks like the consistency of like corn starch powder.
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Yeah. And that's what I'm saying is like you have to be. When you're using the pure extract, you have to be very careful as opposed to like the. The lakanto that you would get with the erythritol that's like been diluted down with the sugar alcohol to make it one to one with sugar. But if you get the pure extract, you just have to be very conscious of like the ratio that you're using to the. To the product that it's in. And I think the profile most people would find very much closer to sugar, maybe even a little bit of it. It's almost like a little bit of like a hint of brown sugar in there, which makes it good for oatmeal, coffee, things like that. But it's just one of those things like the extract, you have to be very careful. Cause it's like you. It's very hard to get the right amount because it's such a small amount into the. The whatever. But I don't know how we got talking about that. But anyway, I don't either.
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Sorry, guys.
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Let's talk about some peptides, some HRT and anything else you guys want to talk about. All right. First question of the day, Hunter, I'd like to get your thoughts on running
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to put the questions up on the thing.
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Yes, thank you for reminding me because I always forget like to get your thoughts on running Tessa and Ippa year round at 1 milligrams, 300 micrograms three times a week versus cycling. Well, there is no right or wrong answer to that. However, if you were to do that year round, let's just say that you did five days on two days off for three months on three months off. I'm not going to do the math in my head publicly, but you probably end up laying it about the same spot as you would if you did that. And so I think you're probably giving yourself enough breaks in between the week with that. That GS. You could do that for sure. And I would have no problem with that. Would I maybe take a couple weeks off just to see how you do. What would be interesting to see is like how someone respond to that versus doing five days on two days off. Yeah, because there's more chronic exposure with five days on two days off versus the. The Monday, Wednesday, Friday, if you were to do it.
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So I would also. I don't know. This is just my. What I would do is also maybe break it up and rotate MK777.
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Well, you could do that. I think there's enough out there too.
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Like just to rotate.
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Yeah. Maybe you like, maybe the months off, you just do MK777 for like one month. Just to have a little bit of a different stimuli.
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Yeah.
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To do it. You know, the question is like all these things are growth hormone peptides or growth hormone releasing hormones. Does switching a compound allow you to get the benefits but maintain the sensitivity so that like, say you did one month of MK 777 even though it's like GHRP small molecule, but because it's different, does that end up like when you go back to Tessa and ipa, are you. Is it like you'd never left? Probably more so than not. But I don't think we like, obviously we don't have data to confirm that. I will say this. While we were out of town, we brought traptide with us because Taylor's been taking terzeptine instead of Red True Tide. Going back to a low dose of Traptide after being on retrutide is just like it really like you would think, okay, glp gip like you would think going back to it is like. But it really is. It's almost like it's a new compound that you've never taken again. In my experience. Again, maybe that's just me. I don't think everyone's gonna experience that. But anyway. But yeah, that's my thoughts. Yeah, Zionic. What's up, dude? He said able to locate 5amino aliquot 20mls 50mg per ML. Want to run a hybrid oral injection? Yeah, I like that. It's a little bit different than the lolized version of 5amino. So the dosing is different. I don't claim and I'm not smart enough to know the difference of how those are made, but it does seem to be different than the lyophilized version. Colleen says thoughts on GHK degrading the other peptides on glow and close stack. That is not true. You can look up my video on it, but there's like tons of people that have made videos and shown chemical assay analysis of that to show that that's not true. So hopefully that is a myth that will continue to fade into the darkness. See, we got all the lovely people in the house. Thoughts on PEG MGF efficacy. Anecdotally, I will say it is incredible for injury healing. Is it spectacular for muscle building? Not in my experience. However, I think it can Be efficacious for muscle building as well. If you inject post workout into the area that you train to increase localized igf. I think I'll let you talk in a second. I think here's where people. Okay, so we have this whole thing. Like, I sometimes I kind of rack my brain because we have this whole thing of efficacy. And if you listen to people about peptides, like people in the Mainstream will say, BBC 157 has zero efficacy whatsoever. And if you were strictly operating from the paradigm of chemicals or clinical studies, you would say, well, they have a point. But for me, I've seen over and over and over and over again, like thousands and thousands of people use BPC and have positive benefit in their life. So if it's placebo, I always say, give me more placebo. Now, to the point of PEG mgf, I think from what, from where I stand, what I have heard is that you will have people in the bodybuilding realm say that cardillac and PGMGF don't do anything. And to the point, like, maybe for the bodybuilder, they don't. But anecdotally for the average person walking around that just has some sore joints and just has a soft tissue injury or whatever, to me, Peggy, PEG MGF does wonders. But again, like, does that apply to a bodybuilder that's like completely different? I don't know. And again, it goes back to like the, the clinical literature standpoint. Like, we don't have RCTs on peg MGF. So anyway, I'd say peg and GBF very efficacious. I don't have a problem with someone that would say it's not, but like, I just am giving you what I have seen and that's what I've seen. What were you gonna say?
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Just that when I did use it for muscle growth, like in my glutes, I do feel like my glutes. I do feel like my glutes got a little bit more like the shape rounderness was a little bit more defined and full. But I mean, it could have been the other combinations of other things I was taking to at the time.
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Well, that's what I think is like,
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you like, I do think it helped a little. I think it did help with the fullness.
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Yeah, well, I mean, it's increasing localized IGF1. So I don't.
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But like, I don't think bodybuilders are going to notice. And when I say it held with fullness, like somebody like me who is just like really Examining and like taking photos and checking photos and looking at your body, like I'm gonna notice that. Whereas in like, you know, like somebody, you know, the. A person walking neck, you know, next to me isn't going to notice that.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so it's a very slight difference that you'll see.
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Well, I think when you talk about efficacy of soft tissue repair compounds, like, there is such a vast swath of people with different problems. And so someone could use CLO and Cardalax and Pegam gf and they'd be like, I feel nothing. And that's a personal experience. I, I totally leave them. And then I've seen it. People take the same compounds that are destined and doomed to have spinal surgery or whatever, and it means they don't have to have surgery. Like they, they do it for eight weeks and they no longer have to have surgery. Yeah, like I personally witnessed that time and time and time again. And so efficacy, I don't know, like I saw at work, but it's one of those things like I've heard other people poo poo carax and poo poo peg mgf, like, oh, that doesn't do anything. And it's like, I don't know, man. Like I've witnessed it in my own life. And maybe that's just the, the use case of what I've seen, I've talked about before, people injecting carlacs into their face. I don't recommend that you need to know what you're doing, but I've heard people anecdotally say that that's the greatest thing for skin health ever that they've ever done. So, you know, take, take for what you will. We're just out here trying to, trying to figure all this stuff out. The chat tool is great. It's my first time for basic questions and research. That's awesome. I am, I am waiting. Well, right now the, the chat tool has been growing. I think there's like 13 or 14,000 active users on the chat tool. So it seems to be. Well, you know, I get asked this question a lot of, are you going to make a course or make more courses? I've done courses in the past. I think courses are going to go the way of the dodo. I think courses will always be there. People always want to pay for something to, like have certified. What I have noticed is that in the practice of people getting access to information the quickest way possible, having an AI chat function helps people cut to what they need the most. So like a Course could be good if someone just wants to sit and binge watch stuff and feel like they accomplish something and take a quiz. Nothing wrong with that. I've taken a lot of courses in my life. Not really peptide courses because, I mean, it's just such a new industry and that, you know, you can. There's plenty of good peptide courses out there. But I think in terms of the nature of the way people are going to interact with information, I would never have 15,000 people take and complete a course. But what I have seen is 15,000 people using the AI chat tool to get exactly what they need to, like, build their own plan, put in their lab markers and figure out what they're. You know, what I'm saying is, like, it's much more tailored.
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I feel guilty, like, now to make it. I would feel guilty trying to make a course now in the sense of, like, I have a. We have a coaching group like that you can obviously learn a lot from in there and then. Which I know that's not. Everybody wants to be inside of the coaching group, but I just feel like, could we go more in depth on a private course and not have to worry about, like, algorithms? Yes. But then, like, sometimes I feel like the information isn't that much different from what we put out on our YouTube content or my old YouTube content.
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No, it wouldn't be. I mean, that's why I'm doing master classes.
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Those are just like, I feel. I feel bad, like, saying, here, buy this. When the. The information isn't going to be that much different. Like, how different is information in the master classes that you're doing versus what you would have in a course other than like maybe censoring certain verbal edges to not get the algorithm upset with you?
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Well, at this point, I'm not really doing that. And if it happens, it happens. Like, I'm. I'm over and there's been actually a rash of YouTube shutdowns lately.
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This is. I still feel guilty.
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Like, well, here's.
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Here's where people for that.
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Yeah. Here's where I feel guilty with a course is then 18 months, it's outdated.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So if I film one today, peptide
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course that I did, like, I'm just like, it's so like a year after it came out, it was like, outdated. Like, write a true tie wasn't. No one was using. Right. A true tie when I made that course.
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Yeah. That's why I think the coaching group is better.
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Yes.
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Because it's actually an ongoing. That's what I, I should, I should present it more as that it's an ongoing course because we do a module every single week. And now you look back, we've got over 100 hours of content in there.
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Yeah.
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That anyone can go binge watch. That is the course, you know.
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Yeah.
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And you can, you can do it on your own time. You can do it. You can be in the group. You don't even have to interact. You can just be in there for the material. And every week is. And so that's what I think is better is to have a group that is an ongoing teaching group. A lot of people don't run their groups in that way. But if you have a group that's like structured teaching and then that adds up over time and then someone can go in. I think people like that more because it's like oh, I just pay this one time fee, get this course and that's cool. But I think I am more of the opinion of like stuff is changing so fast it ends up not being whatever. And then there's also the AI tool which we have these technologies now that allow us to cut down to the heart of the information. I think AI will more or less ham like it will cut back course consumption. And you're already seeing that in the business world of like way few people. People are spending money on course now because they, they can get the, the information that they need for them from an AI tool. Anyway, just my thoughts, thoughts on running Aurora Lentide versus CAG with a glp. Well, I haven't tried Aura Lentide yet. I do have a bottle of it. I haven't tried it yet. Honestly been taking teraptide the last three weeks and like I do not need any more appetite suppression than I'm getting out of 2 and a half milligrams of Tide per week. But I don't know. I anecdotally I haven't heard from people that Alora Lentide is that much superior to KAG yet. But again that's just like very small case reports. So we'll see once we get to critical mass more people using it.
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Have you had anybody report like any of the like dopamine?
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No effects yet, but I've only had a few people cuz it's still like so hard to find.
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Yeah.
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So we'll see how that goes. It would appear on paper that would have less of an effect on the dopamine than Kolentide would because it's more selective to the Amin receptor. But um, we will see. But yeah, I think, I think they, they could be definitely beneficial to using alongside a glp. If you need more appetite suppression, the question is like, is that the reason that you're using it? I don't think you're gonna get any added fat loss beyond the appetite suppression alongside of a glp. I think the question is, do you wanna increase the dose of a glp? And if no, but you need more appetite suppression, then yes, those could be an option. I think the answer is if you need more appetite suppression but you can't go up on the dose of the glp, then you can go to those
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to do like it.
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So let's see. Believe I once heard you mention you have ess, a flattened pituitary gland. I have this as well. Do you think this impacts the effectiveness of GHC gogs? Potentially, yes. Basically what I have is a partially empty cella, and most likely the result of that is years of playing football from the age of 7 until I was 23 years old and getting my head hit all the time. And again, I'm not. Sometimes I use. I say that and I was like, I want, I don't want to sound like I'm a special snowflake or unique case. Most guys that play football have that, like, it's not just a random rare thing. It's just most guys that play football don't realize that they have that. Most guys that are in the military don't realize that they have that somebody
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person or group that play football. I wonder if they ever had that scan done.
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Probably not. It's. It would be a very rare thing. Unless you specifically sought it out to go do. To have an MRI of your brain to look your pituitary gland.
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They looked at that when you did the fountain stuff.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Brothers have it.
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If my brothers.
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Yeah.
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Have it, I mean, it would be likely that someone that has lots of concussions. Now, I played at a level so far beyond most of my brothers. So, like, I play. I took more hits than my brothers.
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I guess you played the longest.
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Yeah. So so far. So maybe they don't or don't as bad. But to the point of the GHC gogs, I will say this growth hormone for me had a way better effect on my life than the secretags. Considering my age, based on what I've seen with other people of like how effective growth hormone is versus the secretagogs, for me, the growth hormone and because the growth hormone, I'm not relying on anything for my pituitary to do. Now, does that mean that I Can't use those. Well, I've tested my IGF using secretogs and it does go up more than it would be. But I will say like my IGF without any growth hormone access stimulation always was around 120 which is pretty low. That would be like very low. And I do think that people that have head trauma in their life do have basically impaired. Just the way they have impaired reproductive hormone function via the pituitary, they would have a lot of times impaired growth hormone production via the pituitary as well. And so I would say for me personally, gh. I remember the first time I took gh. The, the sleep that I felt was like unlike. And I was a good sleeper before but the depth of the sleep I got, I was like oh my goodness, this is crazy. I feel so refreshed when I got up and that's been years ago now. But I do think there, there is something to it. Could we prove that? Probably not. But I. It would stand to reason that would be probably pretty accurate.
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Yeah.
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But then also too it's like is that any different? Even if you don't have a partially empty cell, is that any different from someone by the time they're 50 and they're just not their pituitary is not working as good anymore? You know, probably not. It's just that I experienced that at a much younger age in life than most people would because of the concussions. You have any thoughts on day? Whoever HRB is is coming in hot with a good questions. This person has. I don't know who you are, maybe I know you. They have very. They have thought about these things. Cuz these are actually very prescient and relevant questions. You have any thoughts on daily microdosing of PT1F41 for steady libido support? I have heard anecdotally that this can actually be beneficial. And also too for people that struggle with the side effects of PT4 141 which we know is about 40% of people get severe nausea and like a. A sick feeling in their stomach from PT141. Very similar to Lantan too. I have heard people doing like 100 micrograms daily of PT141 and they don't get the nasty side effects, but they do get a boost on libido.
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Yeah, no, I, that's the thing I try to tell like women especially like if PT141 you the, the upset stomach, nausea, feeling, like the more frequently you use it, the better. Like the easier that is.
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Yeah, I do think it now if you don't have the bad side effects, PT141 to me is just like using Viagra. Like situationally, like you'd be like, oh, okay know it's on now use some PT141. Although it's weird, like both Hale and I respond very well to PT141. We enjoy PT141. We don't have bad side effects. It worked very well for us. Other people, not so much. And so it's just one of those things you gotta, you gotta try it for yourself and, and find out as they say. But it's just one of those things. Like some people do well with and some people don't. But to the point if you don't do well, I would say the daily micro dosings can definitely be a good source of libido increase. At what point should someone switch from security go to straight gh? Well the, the bro in me is going to say as soon as possible, but I think it's, it's obviously more nuanced than that. Say after the age of 50, maybe like 45, 40. I think it, that's, I will say that's usually where I see people start to kind of branch off into how well they respond. Like usually up until the age for someone that doesn't have pituitary dysfunction, usually age of like 40, 45, 50 ish, depending on the their, you know, end health is usually where you'll start to see people kind of branch off into like oh man, the cretagogs are not working as well versus the growth hormone is working a lot better. Yeah, I think up until that point you will notice people probably have like a similar response to Tessa and IPA as they would 2ius of GH. Obviously too. Like it's a different conversation. If you're trying to use GH to put on tons of muscle or whatever, then obviously you would wanna do that younger. But I don't think there's a danger in doing GH younger. I mean obviously we have tons of published literature around using it in children with growth hormone deficiency and for the most part it's relatively safe there. I'm really interested in experimenting with bioregulators, particularly for brain health and vision improvement. Any chance of a masterclass on these? Yes, for sure. It's just one of those things. It's time consuming so gotta get around on it. I will say I have done. I wouldn't call them masterclass level quality, but if you go to library.hunterwilliamshealth.com and search any of those bioregulators. There's probably a good chance I've done a video on them. It was just on my old YouTube channel that got deleted and so those are all in the library that are not on YouTube. But if you go to that library, just search whatever by a regulator and there's probably either a video of me doing that specific one or a video where I've talked about it to have info. But yeah, definitely in the pipeline for sure. Love from the Shire. Good morning. Dina says, curious to know what are the recommended dose, what the recommended dosages will be for bpc. I mean, I guess it'll probably end up being kind of what we have extrapolated in the research world. Two fifty, five hundred micrograms somewhere around there. Yeah. Yeah. Shannon. Funny how the peptide that can help with opioid withdrawal. Missed approval. Interesting how that works.
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Yeah, I actually learned that from Shannon.
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Best peptides for skincare products treating back acne, acne scars and facial acne.
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Best peptides Topical GHK is going to be really good. Topical, honestly Ivermectin horse pace is going to be good. And then
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KPV topical and injectable and oral. KPV LL 37. Did you say LO 37 and LL 37? Yeah, but injection.
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I wish they could do LL 37 in a topical. I talked about this. I mentioned it to the person who we know that makes a lot of the topical creams and I think he told me that it's a harder like that one's a harder one to get that into a topical.
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Yeah. Also too to note the distinction between topical and transdermal because topicals would just be on the skin. Like you could actually have a GHK topical and a GHK transdermal. The GHK transdermal is actually going to go penetrate down further to go a little bit more systemic, which is why those transdermals work really well because they're like penetrating further than a topical would be.
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B
So is the transdermal versus topical, like is it in a different solution or is it just that it's just stronger?
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Well, it would be more systemic. Like a topical BPC wouldn't really do anything versus a transdermal would just penetrating deeper into the probably different carriers. I'm not smart enough.
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So like the GHK serum that I use, is that topical? That's topical. So that doesn't go as much as a transdermal that comes and that's an occurring the transdermal One comes in a cream base.
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Correct.
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Interesting.
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I mean but there's a use case for.
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No, there's a use case for both. But I can now I'm kind of thinking like transdermal GHK versus topical GHK for the face. I wonder if the transdermal for the face would be too harsh potentially for the face.
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Yeah.
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Not so much for the like for the body, for healing purposes, but for skin purposes. Because it actually you can. If it's GHK is too high in a trend, like in a topical or transdermal, it can actually burn the skin and get scarring. Okay.
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Yeah. So just something to know. But yeah, to the point of LL37. Yeah, LL37. There's actually. I'm quoting off a memory here. I'm pretty sure I've read a paper where they use topical LL37 for like to prevent infections because it's antimicrobial. But I think they would stand to reason that it would help with acne.
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Yeah.
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As well. But. But dog gone to that. Ivermectin horse paste. That stuff works. I wish I would have had that as a teenager. Yeah, I will say that.
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Yeah,
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oral ivermectin could be beneficial as well. Just to help clean out the gut parasite cleanse help with that. Just scrolling down here. Good to see so many people here. We love you guys. BPC and cancer. Thoughts? I mean we've made extensive videos on this. Would I inject it into a tumor or a tumor laden person? No, but I don't lose sleep at night using BPC potentially causing the cancer. And there's as much evidence for it shrinking tumors as there is. I mean there's no evidence that it causes tumors, but we do have evidence that it shrinks tumors. Now does that mean that we can fully say that it it doesn't? No. I think as long as your body doesn't have an environment that's favorable to cancer, you're going to be totally fine.
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Spotify Outdoor deterrence requires a Simplisafe active guard outdoor protection plan starting at 49.99amonth visit simplisafe.com licenses for alarm license information. Tennessee 2012. What's up, Point Firestorm. I know who this is. So this good name. He says anything you guys do or take a. For increased verbal fluency. Well, I am not. Everyone knows or maybe don't know. I am not the. I'm not the biggest nootropic head. I'm not someone that like, leans a lot on nootropics. I dabble from time to time. Maybe some new PEP, maybe some Dihexa, some P21, some cerebral acid. But I'm not like, we're both.
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Since like, we're both like, sensitive, like, to like any kind of stimul. Like.
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Yeah, I'm not a big person to like, take stimulants. Maybe this is the wrong. Maybe this is not like the. The good old, like, American way. I do work pretty hard, but I. I do my best to like, if there's anything like I have trouble, like, pulling myself off of work and I'm. As I have gotten older, I want to do a better job of like, having a balance because I find that the more that I have time where I'm like, relaxing the time that I am working, I am much better when I'm working. Meaning that I want to like, constantly. Like, I could go take a bunch of stimulants, whatever, and work 18 hours a day and push myself really hard, but I'm going to burn it at both ends and eventually crash out.
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Yeah.
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And what I'm saying is that I want to do this for the rest of my life. And I would much more rather do that in a sustainable manner where it's like, controlled, like, where I like, feel good about what I'm doing rather than just like, hopping myself up on a bunch of nootropics and like, trying to, like, collapse the time wave of my.
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Well, that's the thing too is like, I. I feel like sometimes, like I have to kind of remind you to pull you back out of work sometimes.
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Yeah. And I think too, as I've gotten
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older, I would make it.
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I've seen the value and actually how that makes my work better.
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Yeah.
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And that's. That's not like the thing that all the, the growth hackers and the, you know, like, entrepreneur social media stuff will say. But I will say I'm better when I do this. When I come from a place of, like, I am well rested and relaxed and everything. Now, I know that wasn't the question. So the question was verbal fluency. My biggest was like, I was someone that mumbled when I was a child. I didn't have a speech impediment or anything, but I was just very shy. Mumbled a lot. Like I didn't project my voice. I still probably don't project my voice enough. I think it's probably due to the gain on the microphone. Sometimes I have a deep voice so like it doesn't pick up enough voice. But verbal fluency, honestly, the best thing for verbal fluency is repeated talk. Like public speaking of like talking. So for instance, like we were out of town for the last couple weeks and I didn't film. I actually did film a couple videos and we did our group call one week while we were out of town. But verbal fluency is a perishable skill. The less you talk in a setting that is meant to be like a public speaking forum, even if it's a podcast or public speaking, whatever, the worse you get. It's kind of like lifting weights. If you don't lift weights for a month, guess what? When you go back to lift weights, you're gonna be sore. Your body will pick it up if you have the muscle memory. And so I think the best thing for verbal fluency is repeated use. Meaning that you have to do it. It is a perishable skill. The only way, you gotta pay the price, you gotta get up and you gotta pay rent. When it comes to any of these skills. And I think that's the best. My best answer. I don't know about yours.
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Yeah, I think, I think it's just honestly, filming has helped me a lot. Practicing in camera has helped a lot. And reading, reading's a big one for me. Like when I go through my waves where I don't read for a while, I notice like my vocabulary isn't as, as strong.
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Well, I might just be doing this because it's. I'm like rationalizing or justifying myself. I like to read a lot of fiction books.
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B
Yeah.
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But that actually in my opinion does translate to my verbal fluency because I'm constantly reading.
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B
Well, plus. Yeah. And you read. And I think also reading fantasy also helps too. Like because usually with fantasy, like there's usually made up words and so that also I think what's interesting about fantasy
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is I, I like go back and forth between fantasy and then like mystery, thriller, crime thriller, whatever, and, or legal thrillers and fantasy. I love fantasy books. My brain has to work way harder to construct the universe in a fantasy book.
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Which is probably why I don't read as much fantasy. Because I get so annoyed. Because I like, I want to get to the point. That's why I like my mystery.
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Yeah. There's a lot of worlds.
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If it doesn't get me hooked in two pages, like, I don't.
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Well, it's kind of the difference between like, fast food and like a seven course meal at a nice restaurant. It's like sometimes you just want to like, get it on. Like, hey, let's get to the point. Yeah. But then also to the. The flip side of that is you don't like, if you were to read a Freedom McFadden book, there's no like, redemption world building to like, where you're like, oh my goodness, like, it came full circle. You just like, heard a story. Whereas, like, they're good, like, she can.
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I mean, they're good, like palate ones. I don't.
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Yeah. But with a fantasy book, it, you, it takes a while, but then you get rewarded for it. You're like, oh, I'm glad I read those 400 pages because now like, the story arc and the redemption and like the understanding of the world is so like, it's so much more in depth that you get rewarded. And it's a much more rewarding experience than just reading like the quick hit.
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You know, I wish there's not enough standalone fantasy books. Like the last fantasy book, like, book that I really read was the Blood and Ash series. And there's like eight books in that series. And like, I read those like, I think like two, two years ago. And like, I just haven't picked up another fantasy book since. It is like a commitment of like being stuck like eight books in to like really get the full circle. And then she didn't even. I don't even think she even finished the series because something got hacked and she got upset. But it's just like, it's one thing. I don't like this. It's such a big commitment.
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It is. And you end up. It's like you could have read three average books.
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Yeah.
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In the time that it took you to do that one. I would say this. My, Like, I read this a little over a year ago now. Patrick Rothfuss, the Name of the Wind. And then the next book in the series is. Why am I blanking on the book? The first one's the Name of the Wind. Next one is Wise Man's A Wise Man's fear. And those two fantasy books, I think they're both probably like 700 pages piece somewhere in there. Those were so like, that is like my standard that I hold everything to now from a fantasy perspective. So literally when I'm looking for fantasy books, I just like go look up like similar books to those and nothing has come close since I have read those. And so now it's just like once you get a book that is so good and it becomes like the gold standard. It's just like in the genre you're like, why even read anything else? Because it's not going to be as good. Is that because it's like for, for me it was like the perfect setting and story arc and everything.
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I think I need to read more fantasy books written by men because like I liked fantasy when I was younger, like in my earlier 20s, but now I just feel like all the fantasy books are the same. It's just like a young girl having to be in her masculine and then this really aggressive, masculine bad boy man comes into her life.
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Well, yeah, that's why I like, I
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B
would read like steamy sex scenes and I just feel like I don't like.
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Yeah, it's the same story.
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B
It's the same story, just a different setting. And that's probably why I'm like, not as into.
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Well, I feel like they should categorize those books as young adult and they're not like the fourth wing. Maybe it is like I read the fourth wing and I was like, I didn't even. A 33, three year old man is not gonna like the fourth wing. But I was like, it's so popular. Let me read it to see what the big hubbub is about.
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Yeah.
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And I was like, seriously? But that's just my opinion. I'm not saying. I mean it's, it obviously has are
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gonna come for you, but they're not watching this because.
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Yeah, they're definitely not watching. But I'm just saying, it's just, I'm, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying it's a bad book. I'm saying for me, yeah, I didn't find it like redemptive because I was like, oh, it's just like the same like unrequited love from a bad boy, you know?
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Yeah. They're rooming story.
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So.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, anyway, point being for verbal fluency. Yeah, verbal fluency. Some of the best things, like the, the best thing for verbal fluency is the art of doing it, which is speaking and writing and reading. Speak, write, read. And that will help your verbal fluency more than anything.
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It's think also too. Like I did this is sending video chats to your friends, especially if you're somebody who's like wanting to make videos but you're shy and camera shy. And being on camera is like sending video chats, like video messages to your friends rather than text messages.
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Yeah.
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As well too.
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Yeah. I think with people that want to make videos and they're nervous to do it, I always just tell people like just record them and never publish them. But you get better at like the concept and the process of like putting a camera in front of your face. All right, let's get back on topic. Back on topic. Donnie says I just started a hundred milligrams of sipionate. Feel way better. Got my labs at the Natty, my pituitary is working hard and My total was 400. Prolactin was in medium high. Haven't got labs yet but a hundred milligrams is already night and day, two weeks in any supplements you suggest when on sipionate to be healthier or helpful. Well that's great to hear and that's, that means you're doing the right things. I would say supplement wise, I don't like to throw too much in there. When someone is starting trt I like them to kind of have this like three month phase like where they're figuring out their dosing and how their body's adapting and they're, they're going to go through some changes. I will say like the supplements for TRT are not that much different than supplements for life in general. Magnesium is very important. I think magnesium even more so because you deplete a little bit more when you're on testosterone because you have a higher metabolism. Magnesium is very important. I think the, the standard ones would be like thyroid. You want thyroid support. Pregnenolone potentially for someone that needs it and DHA potentially for someone that needs it. But you always gotta play around with those cuz some guys don't need those and then some guys do well with those added in. But I think thyroid would probably be the one thing that most guys that start TRT don't consider and their doctor doesn't consider and it ends up being like the biggest game changer for them.
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I would also say like to add in just like up your mineral conception just because when you're first starting you are gonna, your metabolism's gonna be working.
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Yeah.
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And burning quicker. So I would say up like the taurine, magnesium blends, all those things.
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Yeah. Greg says is a good idea. Sax and sublingual tablets with iPam. I don't think it's bad. I just don't know how much benefit you're gonna get of it. So if you wanted to, I would stack the injections maybe.
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But maybe you'll sleep better or.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe. Rick says also got on lotos now. TRXONE 2 Worth it. Yes. Lone absolute game changer for a lot of people.
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Yes.
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Let's see. Ankle fracture surgery with ligament tear 3 weeks ago using clo carax into near injury site with bio carage and by restore. Anything I should add, I would just say the. The PEG MGF would be beneficial for that. And then also too, we kind of forget about this. But having systemic growth hormone exposure, whether it's TESSA ipa, HGH is gonna help a lot with that too, you know, And I'm actually thinking more and more that SS31. SS31 should just be with everyone. But there actually was a new study that came out in mice that SS31 actually accelerated recovery from spinal cord injury. Now, no, this isn't a spinal cord injury, But I think SS31 is just gonna make everything work better.
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Yeah.
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And so I think I would add that in. Does it matter how diluted you make your peptide? What are the pros for higher concentration and less units? Honestly, beyond obviously, like trying to get, like, if you're only injecting one unit of something, that's gonna be really hard. But no, the difference between 10 and 30 units, I don't think is that much for a peptide. 48 female. Have to get a hysterectomy next month. Should I try to get TRT script and start now or wait till after the surgery? I try to avoid the hysterectomy if possible. I don't know your specific situation, but yeah, if you had a gun to your head and you said you had to get a hysterectomy, you absolutely just want to start it right away.
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Yeah.
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And in my experience, maybe it even prevents you from having to have it. But I don't know your situation, and that would obviously be something you want to talk with your doctor. Oh, boy. What are your thoughts on Chinese peptides that seem to work as well as those from US research companies? Are you mainly paying for a trusted middleman since most peptides are made in China anyway? If you get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside because someone told you your peptides are USA made, then you probably should do more research about where peptides come from. And that's what I'll say most all API that I know of. And I'm saying what I know of, I'm not saying this definitive answer. API stands for Active Pharmaceutical Ingredient. And most all, if not all, that I know of comes from China. And sure, there are some peptides that are bottled here in the US Meaning that they put them in a bottle in the US Just like a piece of furniture is assembled here in the US and it's made in China. In my experience, it's the very same thing. Us, like a lot of people, like I said, you want to get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside that it's made in the US and if you want to pay more for that because of a marketing angle, by all means do it. But in my experience, that's not how it works. And I'm just saying that. Just be a critical thinker, like ask, ask yourself, do you really think, like, can you go find the factories that are synthesizing API for peptides in the U.S. if someone knows, send them to me. But until now I haven't seen them. And so if, if they are, why aren't they advertising it that they're making it here? Oh, because they would probably get in trouble. So, you know, like, either they are in their hiding or they're just making it up. And so it's kind of like you can say it because you can't advertise it. So it's like, oh, you know, I don't know. So I'll say this. The peptides that I inject into my body, I know, come from China, and I am perfectly fine with that. I'm not going to kid myself otherwise. So again, I'm not saying that to throw shade. Like, I'm sure there are peptides that are bottled here in the US how much of that's done? I don't know. Try to go, try to go set up a lab tour with one and see what they tell you, you know, see what happens. So anyway, last Saturday, Coffee Talk, I asked about the best pouch for beer. Are we back?
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Back?
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I think our Internet just went down. It's been storming here. So we did have power go out two days ago. People just let us know in the comments because we just like blanked out. It shows that we're still live right now. Okay.
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Yes. Okay, good.
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All right, we're back. I was like, start talking about where peptides come from and then you go down. Okay, I am. No, I, I know nothing. I'm just literally, this is all a live action role play and I'm just literally spouting off nonsense into the universe. Let me find my place. Okay. Dave says last Saturday asked about peptides for beer Growth recommended ghkcu Topical what brand? I don't talk about brands on the live streams. So you just got to know where to go for those. Because I would like for my channel to stay up unfortunately and I don't do that guys, to like try to like dangle a carrot. One of the things that makes me so angry is like dangling carrots in front of people. But I literally, if I start talking about where to buy stuff on here, I will go down and there's people going down at this moment right now for, for doing that. And so just, just trying to keep the information out there and keep it that way. Is bruising at injection site normal on clo? Yes, that can be normal. To get bruising, some people get lumps, some people get pain and some people get bruising.
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Yeah, no wait, those are no ghk, right?
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Yeah, know, yeah. Any advice on the skin since this V on Reddit? I'm at 4 and a half milligrams, just bumped from four. It's kind of tough. It's like obviously the easy answer would be just to go down one dose. I have seen topical magnesium spray that you can get at any whole foods or wherever work well for that. So try some topical magnesium spray. Not gonna say it's gonna cure everything, but in my experience when I've done that to myself to just see how it feels, you know. Meaning titrate up the dose of retta to get the thing. It's weird to explain to people cuz it feels like you have like rope burn. And like one time I literally thought, yeah, I literally thought I had rope burn on my leg. I was like what did I like burn on my leg? And I looked down, there's just nothing there. It's just the reta that's causing it, which is crazy. But Jessica says 47 year old female, 132 pounds, 5 foot 5, exercise at OT, which I'm guessing is orange theory. Four days a week on HRT, 6 milligrams test two times a week. Progesterone 1 milligram of retto PWE 1 unit GH daily and the AM Z score point 1 IGF is 149. Looking to shred. Should I up GH to 2iu? Yeah, I don't see any issue as to why you couldn't. Especially if your IGF is only 149. And so yeah, I would say definitely you could increase the H. You could do one IU in the morning, one IU at night, you could do two I in the morning, you do two IUs a night however you want to split it. But yeah, you have definitely room that you could go up. And the thing with women is like I always like to women that start lower cuz some are more sensitive to GH so you can start half one iu start there. But in my experience like tons of women do really well. Especially if you're super active, you're training like that sounds like you're. You're pretty dialed in from a fitness perspective. So yeah, I think you could definitely go up on the the GH and potentially get some added body composition benefits. Just the thing with GH body comp changes is like more over time. You know taking ts I'm going to add tessellin which my immediate expectations be immediate probably that you'll sleep better long term I would say probably better body composition for sure. But immediate sleep will most likely be the thing that you notice. J fo says I'm considering Retta but I'm concerned about the glucagon receptor agonist component since I'm type 1. Does anyone type 1 diabetes use red true diet? I don't know particularly like I've heard anecdotally that they can, but I don't know. I would probably do terzaptide because I just know there's published data around that to show that it helps. I have fatigue since a kid and TERS makes it worse. Oh, okay. So that's why they wouldn't use it just as on rota Reddit for type 1 or fix my fatigue. Honestly I don't know now. So I'm not going to sit here and act like I do. So I can't tell you and that's unfortunate. The TERS makes it worse. I would just try to look up as much research can see if there's any cases of them using retta in type 1 diabetes. But at this moment I haven't read enough on my own to tell you one way or the other. Currently taking Manjaro, tessa morellin and mot c I want to add pt 141. Another pep talk for weight loss. What else should I add? 57190 pounds goal is 170 manjaro 1 year Tessa 5 weeks mat C 2 weeks. I think one obviously, obviously say check your hormones first.
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Yeah.
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So if your hormones are not optimized then none of those things are going to matter in terms of added fat loss. Beyond those, I don't know the dose of the tirzepatide. So obviously you could try Red a true Tide instead Tirzepatide, usually that will move the needle more. More for people if you've kind of stalled out on terzepatide.
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So, like, exercise, like changing up fitness routines also can make a big difference because you're using. I mean, that case, like, you're using a lot of great things, but yeah, exercise and diet can make a difference. Not knowing what. Yeah, those routines are. But even if you just added hit like three times a week, if you're not, if you're not already, that can actually move the needle as well too.
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Well, I don't want to say this because I know some people like over exercise and they're stalling out and they're over exercising, to which more exercise is not the answer.
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Yeah,
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I'm not gonna, I'm gonna sound like, sound like I'm being condescending here. But like, sometimes the answer is more exercise. Yeah, sometimes you gotta.
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Sometimes it's less exercise if you are the one that is over exercising.
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Correct. But sometimes, like, I know for a fact, because I ask people and they say, hey, I'm. I'm not losing the weight I want. And I say, okay. How many hours of zone 2 cardio are you doing per week? Well, I walk my dogs. I take 10,000 steps per day. Yeah, wrong answer. That's not zone two cardio. You've got to do cardio and you've got to lift weights. And I know that a lot of people are doing that and they're stalling out. And I get that. But like, that's why I Like when people preface questions or like, like the, the woman just did. She said, I work out at Orange Theory Fitness. If you're working out at Orange Theory four times per week, you're getting enough cardio. Yeah, like I would.
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You're getting hit.
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I've been to Orange Theory once or twice. Like, I, I know you're getting enough cardio. So anyway, but peptide wise, like, sure. Could I tell you to go take sloop or BAM15 or I mean, go to. Yeah, ATX. Like, I've got a video. 20 non GLP fat loss compounds that you could add in albuterol.
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Like there's so much adding in. Isn't always the answer.
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Well, yeah, sometimes you gotta do more cardio.
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Yeah.
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And that's the answer, unfortunately. Or you gotta change your diet. Sometimes the diet is left to the, to the roadside. Um, Wendy says bought MK777 powder instead of the capsules. Can you give advice on how to use that? I mean, if I, if I had the powder I would just get a microgram or a milligram scale and then measure out 10 milligrams. But also too sometimes if you do that, sometimes I know it's digested a little bit differently than if the capsules. Cuz obviously if the capsule you're taking, it's going in the bloodstream in your stomach. But yeah, I would just get a milligram scale and measure it out.
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Yeah.
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Could I do a video on peptides to avoid while taking methylene blue? I mean I could research it. I don't, I don't really know which ones to specifically avoid. I know methylene blue is an M A O I or a MAO inhibitor or whatever. So yeah, I'm sure there's ones that you would want to. But I just don't really, I don't really mess around with methylene blue.
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Oh yeah. For the person who asked about the body acne and facial acne, using a methylene blue blue spray is actually really beneficial or topical methylene blue will actually help as well too. Sorry to back. Young Goose has a topical spray that's really good.
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Have I had time to look at a Laura Lentide? I have not tried it yet, but I did write an email about it the other day. It's just still a lot of unanswered questions around it. With all the peptide companies claiming 3x to 7x testing. I would love to find cleanest and most accurate source like eating clean and organic. I want the same for my peptides. Is there such a source? I don't know to be honest. Okay, here's the, here's the thing. I, I will talk about pet sourcing since it seems to be popular today. Okay, so let's say you go buy from a vendor and they've got 7x testing. I've got all the nice pretty coas. The peptide that was tested in that batch was probably one vial or two vials, maybe even three vials out of a batch of a thousand or five thousand peptides that they got. How do you know what is in that specific vial is what you're injecting into your body? You don't. Now can you trust a manufacturer based on the source? Meaning that the, the place that it comes from is adhering to good standards. Yes. But if you are looking for a magical place that like has 7x testing, the peptide they are showing you that was tested, it's not what you were injecting into yourself. We were in a logical conundrum here. Meaning that you cannot test what you're Injecting in your body. I mean, I guess you could.
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I don't, I don't think people test as often just knowing how much it costs for testing.
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Well, there's that too. Like, are they really getting every batch test?
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Every batch tested?
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And I'm not even saying that's a bad thing. Like, if you trust your manufacturer, you shouldn't have to tested. So the whole. Okay, here is my unpopular hot take opinion. And people would probably get mad at this. The whole COA thing is a cottage industry to give people warm fuzzy feelings to. And I understand why it's there because it builds trust. It's like, hey, here's the third party verification. But you don't know if that's what's in the bottle that you're injecting.
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It's like saying the cosmetic product is PETA approved.
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I don't even know what that means. I know what PETA is, but I'm just saying I don't even know what PETA like. I guess no animal.
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The women know what I'm talking about.
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So it would be that, like no animals were harmed in the process.
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Yes.
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What if the. How do you know? What if the, the third ranking employee at the place isn't nice to their dog? Is it still PETA approved? You know, like, I'm joking, but I'm in the, the place of coas, like, and I get where people are coming from because they just want to trust what they're injecting into their body. I think you're probably like, in a lot of cases you're more at risk on lettuce that you buy from the grocery store. After we've seen this last week, there's been a lot lettuce recall. Probably at more at risk of what you're buying from the grocery store than you are for 95% of peptides. But I get it because you're injecting. A lot of people are afraid like, oh, am I injecting something that's dangerous? And it's like, yeah, well, like, you didn't ask about the supplements you bought off Amazon. That's probably a lot of cases. There can be very heavy metals in those supplements you're getting off of Amazon. And I actually think, like, there's actually like very, very, very low incidence of heavy metals and peptides that you're able to like, even trace back and, and see. But I think here's my best advice to people when it comes to COA testing is take it with a grain of salt if it makes you feel better. What you could do if you wanted to is you could order a peptide, mix it at home, use half the bottle, put the rest of it on ice, or, like, not on ice, but, like, refrigerate it, ship it into a place, and see if they'll test it already mixed. And if you want to do that every single bottle that you're injecting and that makes you feel better, then you can do that. But aside from doing that, which would obviously be so cost prohibitive and so cumbersome, which no one's going to do, just trust that you're getting them from a place that is consistent with what they do. And if it makes you feel better that they have coas. But honestly, like, from where I sit, I know where things are manufactured and I know where to get things that are coming from a good manufacturer, and that's what I trust. And I don't have to sit and test every batch and do whatever, but I fully realize, like, hey, could someone pull an old switcheroo on you and, like, give you a good batch and then do a bad one? Yeah, that's what happens in the supplement world all the time is they do that. They give you a good one that tests out positive, and then they start doing it. So I realized that that's a possibility.
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Yeah.
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And so I. The peptides I put in my body, I just know where they come from. I know the manufacturer, and that's what I trust. But no, unfortunately, even if there was, I wouldn't say it publicly because I wouldn't want to get kicked off of social media stuff. But, you know, it's. It's kind of like going to the farmer's market, and there's 10 guys that sell tomatoes, and most of them are probably fine, but you're going to find one that you like. You like the farmer, you like the farm that came from, you know, and that's your guy, and it ends up being what it is. And you can test out other ones. Sure. And that. That's totally fine, too. But I. In my opinion, from where I sit, the whole coa thing, I understand why it's there. Is it even necessary? I would say, yeah, probably it is, but I think it's way overemphasized because, again, like, how do you know that that's actually. And here's the thing, too, is, like, a lot of the vendors, they don't even know they're selling it, but they don't even know. And so, like, they're getting a test and they're like, oh, this Came back tested. Like, they don't even know if, like that whole thing came from the same batch of the manufacturer. Like, they may be getting tested something that is not even being like, what is the, the, the person that they're selling it to. And they don't, they don't know that. So anyway, long answer to say, unfortunately, there is just no better way at this time to really know what's going on. Wondering about KAG and methylene blue. I mean, they're two completely different things. You could use both of them. Sure. I, I guess the answer would be, like, if they. Can you work, can you use them at the same time? I don't know. It would seem like maybe there would be some. I wouldn't say definitively that, yes, you can. I would want to know more. But I would ask too, for people that are using methylene blue, like, I think that's a good antimicrobial, but I don't know that it's like, for people using it for like, energy and stuff, I don't know what you could get out of it that you couldn't get. About other things that we trust more. Wife is 52, female. Post menopause on HRT since February this year. 1 gram armor for thyroid, 1 milligram estradiol, 200 milligrams progesterone daily, 8 milligram test sip three times a week. Feels better. Still low energy. What's missing? If you're doing all those things, you still have low energy. I would say one, the thyroid might not be enough. Sometimes you've got like, I take one and a half grams of armor because, like, even one grain is not enough for me. So that could be potential. It could be a mitochondrial thing. And so SS31 could very much potentially help, like, restore mitochondrial function to have better energy. And then also what I didn't see on here is hgh. And so potentially, like, HGH could reset sleep architecture and improve sleep architecture to the point where you do feel better. And so those would be kind of the, the first things that I would do off the bat to see if they move the needle there, but sounds like you got most of the bases covered. Do you need to take a binder with Fox 4 to help evacuate dead cells? And what would be a good cycle look like as far as weeks and how many timogram vials? I don't think so. I don't think it necessarily works like that. But I mean, maybe, but I don't think it's bad to take binders from time to time cycle. I would do 1mg per day for 10 days in a row. And you could do that two times per year. In my experience, that's all you really need from the fox o4 and it works pretty well my experience for that.
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A lot of people do get like a, like a, like a flu like symptoms with it. So just be mindful like when you're using it, like you're not going to be like traveling or have a lot going on because you can feel sick.
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Yeah. HCG gives me high nipple sensitivity even at 250. I use twice per week. I've gone as high as 500 IU three times per week. But my only side effects can be nipple sensitivity. Should I consider taking AI? Please don't. Please do not take an AI. Here's what I would do. If you were taking it for fertility, I would. And you're not doing it. I think HMG is going to be better for fertility anyway. So I would just say take 75 IUs of H HMG 2 or 3 times per week and see how you feel. And in my experience, like I feel like if I could only have one, I would take HMG and I think it would be better than HCG anyway for fertility or even for just maintaining testicular function. So yeah, that would be my opinion on that. Switch to that, see if it helps. You could obviously also try enclomophene, Maybe do like 25 milligrams of enclomophene three times per week and see if that helps as well. I don't like enclomophene personally, but I'm taking it right now to cover all my bases for fertility. But once that is achieved, hopefully sooner than later, enclomiphene is not something I would be taking long term. I just don't like how I feel on it. I mean I don't feel bad, but I just don't like it. Dina says, Taylor, what do you feel the best way to test sex hormones is serum blood testing?
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Serum and blood testing? Yes.
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Yeah, I don't think that's testing or saliva testing is.
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I mean saliva that's is very outdated.
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Yeah. Dina says my husband is in a lot of pain from Sciatica. I'm running BPC TB500GHK. Should I add KPV? Yes, I would absolutely add in KPV and then potentially Carax. Maybe even AR290 as well as well there stalled on tours starting retta best way to transition. I should actually make a whole video about This, I mean, I've talked about it in the past. So if you just look up on my website or whatever, just ters toretta transition, you'll see like articles and stuff. There's no right or wrong way to do it. My best experience is titrating. So let's say you're on 10 milligrams of turs per week. What I would do is go over the course of four weeks, I would go down 2 milligrams per week until I'm at 2 milligrams. So I'd do 10 milligrams the next week I'd do 8. The next week I'd do 6, then 4 and then 2. And then when I'm at 2 milligrams of TERS, I would switch over to 2 milligrams of Retta. And that might not be enough, but then you can kind of be at a good baseline that's kind of like the, the minimum threshold to where you can work your way up on the retta. So I just, it's weird because like if you go from 10 milligrams of TERS to 10 milligrams of Retta, it could go very sideways very fast. And so that's why like, you get this like really like an eight week block where you take down the terse, go to like the, the threshold, the minimum threshold dose. Start the retta at the minimum threshold dose and then work your way up and it kind of like gives you like an eight week, kind of like, like a, a nice little like walk into the, to the reta. That'd be my recommendation. There's again, there's no right or wrong way. You can do whatever you want. But I will say probably not the best thing to do to go 10 milligrams of ters to 10 milligrams or even five. It, it just is not the same thing. It's really different, you know. So that would be a recommendation. Bless you. How would I dose AOD9604 for regrowing cartilage in the knee? Same question. For injectable Carlax, I would do at least 1 milligram of both per day. There's actually pretty good evidence that AOD can actually help regrow cartilage. Cartilage. I haven't tested that on myself, but I also don't have like areas that I need to regrow cartilage, thankfully. But I would do at least 1 milligram of both, maybe even 2 milligrams of both. Probably separate injections. Though. What's up? My man Dave, he says opinion taking in general carnitine daily. Thinking non strength training days. AM injection cardio days on weight training. Absolutely. I tell people take as much injectable carnitine as you can. It's just that in my experience, the injection pain is just so intolerable if you do it every day because you end up like, even if you're rotating sites, by the time you get back to the next site, you're still in pain from it. And so that's why I just break mine up and usually do like three days a week. But yeah, you could definitely do it daily. There's no, no downside to that. Yes, Sean, I can definitely talk more about transdermals, although I will leave vendor names out of it just to help keep the channel up. What is the best growth hormone in my opinion? I like cenotropin. I've been trying Zomacton recently, which you can get from compounding pharmacies and I like that too.
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I feel bloated on it.
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Yeah, I think it's a little bit closer to the, it's closer to the generics than the pharma, even though it's pharmaceutical. Right. Genotropin is actually probably the best. I just seem to have like a little of an allergy to genotropin where I get acne on my back when I take genotropin.
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For some reason I retain the, the least amount of water on you genotropin. And actually we did use genotropin. I end up getting like some acne like on my back and shoulders.
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I think genotropin probably is even a little bit superior for body composition to cotropin. However, it's not worth it for me because I get the acne probably just for one of the excipients in there. Like I just might have an allergy to it or whatever. But I like cenotropin. It seems to be the, the best of both worlds. It's a little bit cheaper and I don't know how much longer because I know it's an Iranian manufacturer manufacturer, so I don't even know if that's going to be a thing that we can get anytime in the future. What are you like, don't manifest it.
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Yeah, don't manifest it because it's.
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I mean, there'll always be be a way. And even generics, there's good generics out there that are good that I like, but I'm just.
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Maybe it will happen while I'm pregnant. Not to worry about.
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Yeah. One thing I would like to try is. I've never tried Norin, but I would like to try that and see how I do because apparently that's even better than genotropin. I've just never been able to get nordotropin and Sarastem I've heard are like, some of the best, but I've never. I don't even know where to get serm. I think some underground place you can get nordropin, but I don't know. Dina says I have a thickened endometrium that is vas. The doc is recommending a DNC procedure. Interested in Taylor's thoughts on the procedure. And should I stop taking BBC because of angiogenesis?
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That one I'm gonna have to think about. I would say. My. I don't know. So I'm have to really think about this. My. My thought process with it is that it might shed the uterine lining too much. And. Oh, man, I'm really gonna have to think about this. Is like, this also. It's like. Is it. Are you using hormone replacement therapy? Because, like. Is it because of, like, uterine lining being thicker is usually from higher amounts of estrogen. I'm gonna have to think about this one. That would be my only concern is that the uterine lining getting too thin. But what are. Do you have any thoughts on this?
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I have no idea.
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I feel like this is a. This is a gen seeker.
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A
Yeah.
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Conversation. Like, I. Yeah.
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Yeah. I just wouldn't. I wouldn't know enough. I'm definitely not the right person to ask for that.
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B
Yeah. I'm have to think about that one.
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A
Sorry, Dina. Sorry on that one.
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Yeah. Hey, I admit when I don't know, I could sit here and pull some BS, but I'm not gonna do that.
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Yeah. For healing MCAs and Hashimoto's, what would be your sequence or stack of peptides? I would go KPV, Diamondson Alpha 1, SS31, LL37. LL37. And probably a metformin too.
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Be the thyroid bioregulator.
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Thyroid bioregulator for sure.
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Desiccated thyroid.
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Yeah. And then also a. A GLP micro. Even if it's a microdose.
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If I would say trape.
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Yeah, trapide. I think trapide superior to R tride in that case of person. Sean says, any thoughts on MVD1, also known as Santa or Sana? No, I don't know enough about it yet. I don't know where to get it. I don't know what it does. I think it's like a creatine dependent thermogenesis. Something something or another seems to be the oral.
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Yeah, that's supposed to be similar to is like an oral version of like MOT C and Jardian. I could be making this up. I feel like it. We talked about it on the women's.
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Yeah, I don't know. It seems to be a new thing people are talking about. I don't know. I don't know if it's even out there yet.
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B
Alex might be using it.
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Yeah, I just don't know enough about it. Donnie says for some reason ghrp, ghrh, even growth hormone basically give me insomnia. I only get three hours of sleep for weeks. I would try it if you haven't yet. I would try it in the morning and see if that helps. Cuz some people are just like that to where it does they do better in the morning. Would be the correct dosage for a woman wanting to take salink, oxytocin and PT141 stack I would say. I mean if you're doing injection I would do 500 microgram solank, 50 micrograms oxytocin and I don't know if you do well with pt141. You could do like 500 micrograms. If you don't know, just do pt141 first. Cuz if you don't do well with it and you take oxytocin pt141 you won't know you. Yeah, you might be if you don't know how you respond to those. Like do those in isolation first. But that would be my recommendation. Running HGH and IGF 11 LR3 a good idea or too much stress insulin wise I don't think for like a four to six week cycle I wouldn't make a habit out of doing that year round. But for a four week cycle if you're trying to bulk up, put on some mass. No, I think that's fine.
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We use the IGF LR3 in the muscle sites. Yeah, and then that you're training that
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day and then I would do it post workout. Or you could do a pre and post workout and then I would do the H just at nighttime before bed. But no, I've done that before and it does work well and I've never had any insulin sensitivity issues. But again it's just in a four week or a six week block. Best peptides for fibromyalgia, pain, fatigue, fiber, inflammation. Well the first thing I'm always going to say for stuff like fibromyalgia is testosterone. Inject testosterone and probably watch a lot of those side effects go away. But then I would say it'd be very similar to that mcast stack. I would say KPV, probably even BPC and TP 500 in those cases. Yeah, mega dose of SS31. So I try to get someone like that on 10 milligrams of SS31 per day.
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Terepatide.
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Terepatide microdose and probably be pretty good. Megan says you can use a product called Inten to get peptides transdermal. Didn't know that. Interesting. If I've been diagnosed with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism and I'm on TRT protocol for testosterone, would Tessa and IPA still work for me? Since P gland is not working as it should, it probably will. It just won't work as well for someone that doesn't have that. And so it could, but I would just say probably glymon's going to be better. Tommy and Lauren, maybe I pronounced it wrong. And postmenopausal woman that just started injectable testosterone sub q 3 times per week is so thick. Do you have any suggestions on how to make the process easier? Inject IM and that would probably make it easier.
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Yeah.
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I mean if you like testosterone sub Q, by all means do it. I don't think it's bad, but it just is easier for me to do im with a 28 gauge needle into my delts for my glutes. Dina says for Hashimoto's she takes ldn. I forgot to mention that for the stack, but yes, LDN would be well, Black seed oil definitely good. And avoid gluten, definitely beneficial there. It's funny being in Europe, the gluten is so different than it is here in the United States. Yeah, like the bread. You could literally eat pasta and pizza all day and it doesn't bother your stomach like the same way it would if you're getting it from restaurants here in the States. Kelly says what are your thoughts on mixing topicals with DMSO cream from the DMSO store to help? I don't know enough about it, so I can't. Unfortunately I'm not the one. And yeah, she says to get further absorbed. I don't know, I'm just always a little. There's nothing wrong with the mso, but I'm just a little bit more hesitant because it will pull like anything through the skin. Which means you have bacteria or something. Potentially. Not always, but potentially. You just gotta be careful with it. Just proceed with caution if you're gonna do that. Inexperience using supplements for LDL management. Tutka. Good. Yes. Citrus Bergmot. Yes, good. Dihydroberberine. Yes, good. Nattokinase. Yes, good. All those are good. I would just say a GLP is also gonna be beneficial as well. And potentially something like SS31 I don't think is gonna harm. Glutathione could be also beneficial too, just to help minimize the amount of inflammation in the environment and help the liver, obviously. So all those. All those are definitely good. SGLT2 in heers fara jardiance. Things like that would be good. I don't know what this means and maybe I just don't know my street lingua. What goes into the Hunter Williams slop bowl? What's a slop bowl?
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B
Is that like. I don't know, I just think of food now. I want to look it up. What is.
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What is a slop bowl? Frank, if you can explain. I don't.
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B
You're gonna lose your spot. Like, is that just like.
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A
I don't know what a slop bowl is. Is that like if you're. You're junk food? Like, if you eat junk food?
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B
Yeah. Fast casual meal, like a mix of ingredients? Yeah. So I guess it's like
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a slobble is a modern Internet slang term for a customizable fast casual meal served in bowl small. So that. Would that be like chipotle? That's what I think of with like, fast casual.
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Like, it's basically what our dinner. Our dinner. Our weekly dinners throughout the week are basically bowls. It's usually rice and potatoes or rice or just.
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Okay, so this is just like I throw it together real fast.
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Yeah, throw it together real fast. Fast. Hunter doesn't I make all of Hunter's meals? Hunter does make his own lunch most days, which consists of like rice cakes and some type of meat that's either leftover or our deli meat. But I make all of Hunter meals, basically.
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So it's usually, I would say 90 of what I eat is a bowl with rice and white potatoes.
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B
Yeah.
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We would probably eat sweet potatoes more if Taylor liked them, but she doesn't like them, so she doesn't really buy them. But, like, I like sweet potatoes. Yeah. And that's fine. Like, sweet potatoes, like, have a little bit more nutrients than white potatoes. But, like, I don't care. I love white potatoes. So rice. White rice and. Or White potatoes, chicken breast and. Or sirloin steak and. Or 937 ground beef and maybe some lettuce or some veggies from our garden thrown in there.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Primal Kitchen sauce. Primal Kitchen chicken dipping sauce, which I'm addicted to, and that's where I get my fats from. Avocado oil from.
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B
Yes.
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And the Primal Kitchen special sauce, which is actually equally as good. It's like Big Mac sauce. Yeah, the creamy Sriracha Primal Kitchen is good, too. That stuff. That's like, my favorite sauce. Or sometimes we're doing, like, chicken. I'll use Taylor's dad's barbecue sauce, which is like a vinegar barbecue sauce. Trying to think. Or if we're doing, like, more of, like, an Asian flavor. Like, you just, like, take those same things and then, like, put. You either do, like, Mexican or Asian sauce.
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B
Yeah.
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Or I do like the Yum Yum sauce, or I'll do, like, soy sauce.
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B
This is that you do. So the. Okay. One of Hunter's weird things that I think he does is one of his weird bowls is that he gets these whey protein, like, rice crispy puffs.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
And you mix that sometimes, like, with protein powder, or you'll mix it with the cream of rice. You mix it with the cream Congo flavor cream of rice. And I just. I just. I don't.
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Okay, so now if you go on Amazon and you look at, like, whey protein puffs, they basically have whey protein that is like Rice Krispies, but it's just protein.
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B
Tastes like Rice Krispies.
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It doesn't taste like them. But if you mix it in with other stuff, that's what the pro mix Rice Krispy bars are made out of is these, like, puffed whey protein crisp. And they're. They don't have any carbs or fat. They're just whey protein, but they're just. I don't know what they put in them. Probably bad for you. But what I'll do sometimes is I'll just microwave cream of rice and I'll mix in the puffs. So I get my protein in my carbs. It's, like, very fast digesting, but it tastes good. It tastes like you have rice with, like, little, like, crunchies in it. So that's one of my slot bowls, I guess. But I would say, honestly, like, throughout the week, we'll go out to eat once or twice. On the weekends sometimes, like last night we had salmon and rice, which is really good salmon. And, like, Taylor made, like, a homemade fried rice with veggies from the garden. That was really good. The night before, we had ground beef and fried rice. Or not fried rice, but just ground beef and rice. Yeah. With some primal kitchen sauce.
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Potatoes.
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Potatoes, that's. I love rice and potatoes with a meat in the same bowl as, like, heaven to me. I could eat that every day because you mix it up and you get, like, the rice texture with the potato texture. And these are like.
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B
Wait, hang on. Did you grow up in a household where you had, like, the plastic plates that had separate little.
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A
No.
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Yeah. See, I grew up in a house where, like, as a kid, like, we had, like, the plastic, like, plates. They had, like, like, I don't know, different characters and stuff on them. And they're like the were, like, divided, so none of our food mixed. So, like, like, my one sister, like, she cannot stand, like, food touching and it getting mixed together. She cannot stand it.
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I was kind of like that when I was a kid. Like, I would.
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B
No, she's like that as an adult. Like, she doesn't. She cannot stand it as an adult. Like, she can't mix. Like, she can't. Like, she has to eat, like, one thing at a time, too. Her husband's kind of that way too, as well.
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Maybe this is, like, some, like, Freudy there. Maybe there's some Freudian insight into this. But when I was a kid, I was very big. So when you'd have, like, a plate with, like, all your foods on it, I would have. So my favorite thing was always the bread. And so I would go. I would go. Veggies. I would go in order of, like, what I like least.
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B
Yeah.
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So I'd always start with what I liked least. So I finished on the good thing. Whereas, like, some people, like, always want to start with the best thing. I would always go, like, okay, I'm eat the veggies first. Because that's, like, my least favorite. Even though it's good, which.
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B
That's good because that's the fiber. So it's going to help you. You digest and, like, move everything.
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A
I was definitely. You know the Stanford marshmallow experiment.
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B
Yeah.
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What was it?
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No, you. All the marshmallows.
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That's fluffy bunny bunny salad on social media now. There's this old Stanford experiment where they gave kids. They said they could have one marshmallow now or they could have two marshmallows in, like, like, 15 minutes. And some of the kids took the marshmallow now and then. Some waited to have the two for 15 minutes. So you get one now or two in 15 minutes. The kids that waited to have the ones in 15 minutes, when they looked at them 30 years later, they were all more successful, made more money than the kids that took the instant gratification. So I was definitely a kid that was like, when I was younger, I could delay gratification just naturally a little bit more than probably most people when I was younger, probably because I was a race. My parents were, like, just very hard working and, you know, very, like, structured and were always making us do activities and sports and stuff. But anyway, for my. For my slop, all that sounds like something my youngest brother, like, that would be like a lingo that he would like.
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The kids that is. That was.
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Yeah, my youngest brother's 13 years younger than me, so he has, like, a whole different language. Language. It's true.
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B
It is true.
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Especially if you read fantasy books versus go on Snapchat. So Dina says for verbal, verbal fluency, working out increases lactic acid, which will boost bnf, and you will have a lot more mental clarity about 45 minutes after workout. Definitely true. And also, too, if you want to retain something better, if you're trying to teach yourself, do the structured learning and then doing cardiovascular exercise after it, you actually remember it better. So if you go learn something and then go do exercise after, you'll actually, like, retain the information better. And there's studies around that. And. And my personal experience, that seems to work too. Actually. When I was getting my real estate license when I was 23 years old, what I would do is I would go to real estate class during the day, and then I would go run like three or four miles after to see if it worked. And I passed my real estate test, so it worked. Probably would have passed it anyway. But I know you're a firm believer of metformin. Can you talk about any pros or cons to running this, please? I think the pros for me is not so much about the blood sugar, because there's other things that do the blood sugar even better.
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Health.
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I think for me, it's just an inflammation and gut health thing is I still don't know that I get the gut health benefits. It seems to just keep your gut, like, bulletproof.
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B
Yeah.
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Whereas. And I'm sure there might be other things out there, but it just seems to help maintain gut motility and function better than a lot of other things. I would say the downside there is, like, this whole, like, thought of, like, I think it's like class four, like, mitochondria, like, probably impairing a little bit of mitochondria function. And so maybe that's there. I don't know if that's a dose dependent thing. So like this 500 milligrams do that compared to 2000 milligrams. Probably not, but that would be my easy pros and cons of it. I think the, you know, I gave up on battling about metformin long ago because people just love to say it's stupid to take and whatever. And so I, I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. I think I probably was like that when I was younger because I was like, how do you not see the data? You know, it's just like. No, I just, I just want to help people and you know, like, I'm open. I'm always open to changing my opinions. Like the older I get, the more I'm like, I wanna be as open to changing my opinion as possible based on like the best available data. But when we look at metformin, I think like something like ATX3.04 to me is like a better version of metformin. And I think if you replace ATX3.04 with metformin you probably get a lot of those same benefits. Yeah, it's just expensive to do it at, you know, 400 milligrams per day, which is what they've been running. They've run human trials with 400 and I think a thousand milligrams. But in terms of metformin, like, I think for strictly blood sugar issues, there's better stuff out there. You look at GLPs plus SGLT2s. I think from a blood sugar perspective you don't need metformin in that case. And so maybe like, I definitely would be one to say, like maybe in the next few years I'd like phase out metformin, maybe, maybe not. But I still use it. And so that's just my thoughts around it. Any advice for three fractured ribs and step seven stitches on the face? Running bpc, tb, kpv, GHK and Cardilax for two weeks daily? Yeah, I mean that's, that's pretty much everything there. I kind of, like I mentioned a little bit earlier, some SS31 and some growth hormone or growth hormone peptide just to cover your bases on that. But yeah, seven stitches in a face, I've had that happen before, so. Oh, thank you, Dina. She says she loves my voice. It's one of those things, I think when you first start making content, you always are like self conscious of your voice. And I'm not anymore. But definitely was when I was younger.
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Yeah.
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Sound is a bit bass heavy. Probably my voice because Taylor's I don't think sounds too bass heavy. Maybe it does. I've seen a boo. I think you're referring to a bood Bakri, the doctor, really smart guy. He says, talk about high dose melatonin dosages in acute situations. Like 60 to 100 milligrams reaction to this. I think it's great. I've done up to one gram of melatonin and I think I wouldn't do that all the time. But yeah, I think it can be very beneficial for people with chronic sleep issues or even in the C word instances, stuff like that. It can be very beneficial because of how strong of an antioxidant.
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B
That's not where my mind went with the C word.
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Oh, it's like what C word meaning for YouTube health censorship. Yeah, not when. Usually when people say the C word. Yep. Pay the rent. Currently running 5 milligrams daily to Dalil. Really like what I've heard about Telartin. Do they work synergistically? Do I risk taking blood pressure? I think it depends on the person. I mean, I've used those before and I never got low blood pressure, but I would definitely not do like 80 milligrams of telartin. I'd probably start with 10 or 20, which is a pretty low dose. But yeah, I think you'd be okay with those. I stopped using Telmisartan when I started using SGLT2s because my blood pressure was too low. And so I think if you're doing. You're. If you're metabolically fit and you're doing Cialis and you're doing Telmisartan and you're doing SGLT2s, that probably ends up being too much. Yeah, I would just, just play with it and see and just start with lower dose. Frank says, how do I get as large and jacked as agamimnon in the Odyssey test? Primo and gh, Maybe a little sprinkle of var and you'll get as big as you want to. So Wendy says any suggestion on lowering estrogen 53 on TRT and progesterone? I'm not taking estrogen. Um, I don't know that you necessarily want to lower estrogen. Um, if there is, there would be, I think on that regimen at 53, I don't know what would be causing estrogen to be too high. Um, and so I would just ask why you would need to lower estrogen because obviously if like your estrogen is high, I, I would just want to know, like, is there a medication that's doing that? Or is body fat too high? Or like, what is your symptoms? Because, like, you never want to just lower any natural hormones. Like, you don't want to just like cut off hormones. And so I would just say, just say why. Typically, like, if someone comes to me and asks why, like any suggestion on lower estrogen, to me that's like any suggesting on getting more body fat, what
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is the reasoning behind why would you
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want to do that? Because to me that's a very like, not a good thing to do. But I'm not saying it's not, not needed in some cases. I'm just saying to me, like, off the rip. I'm just kind of like, why would you want to do that? I knew I liked you, Frank. Because John Grisham is hands down favorite author of all time. I cannot put down John Grisham books. I've read every single one to my knowledge. I actually don't think I've read the non fiction John Grisham books, which are the Innocent Man. I think he has another one too. John Grisham is like childhood hero of mine. I started reading his books when I was a teenager and he just. You know what the thing about John Grisham is just every single year he just cranks them out and they're just as good as the next one in my experience. And maybe I'm just a fanboy, but yeah, John Grisham, I think he actually, I think September, he's usually like, September, October is when he comes out with his new ones. But I think there's something if you're from the south. Like, what I love about John Grisham is that if you're from the south, he has this way of making fun of people from the south, but also doing it in a way that's like very loving because he's from the south as well. So he's like very good at critiquing culture of the south, but doing in a way that doesn't come off as like, condescending. And maybe he can do that because he's from, from the south. He's from Mississippi, so. So he's like very good at like critiquing it, but also like honoring it at the same time. And he just knows Southern, like southeastern culture so well that he can do that. But he does it in a way that doesn't make you feel like he's like, like tearing it down. It's almost like he's, it's like. I don't know, it's hard, it's hard to explain but he, he does a really good job of that. And then on top of that he can just, he can write. Which the best of them, if not the best in my opinion.
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Yeah.
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Histamine response with 250 micrograms of ters. Seeing that microdosing can help with mast cell response. But afraid to go higher. Tingling. Backup throat for 15 after injection. I mean I would just probably say give it a week or two if that's the first dose that you've done and just let the body acclimate to it. Cuz you really shouldn't have a histamine response unless you're just like really? Some people are just like. They're in such a sympathetic driven state, they're just gonna have a, a histamine response to like any. You could like touch them with a finger and they're gonna have a histamine response. And so I just give it a couple weeks, let it build up and then you can kind of go up from there. But just don't try to escalate the dose too fast. Frank says he takes a lot of electrolytes and still gets muscle cramps up in calves quas and calves will involuntary pulse versus very active. What are my options? I would go up to 5 to 10 grams of taurine per day. And another thing too I talked about earlier for a different reason but to use topical magnesium because that also does help me with cramping as well. I'm someone that has struggled with cramps for a lot of my life. Joanie says read Relentless by KH Volk. I think I've seen that. Maybe I'll. I think we're gonna go to Barnes and Noble this weekend. Maybe I'll cop that one. Yeah. Colleen says they call them romantasy. Not as much as romanticity, but I have a fantasy for sure. Taylor likes romancy. I actually think the best insight into understanding the psychology of women is to read romance books. You will never understand a woman. Like you will if you read romance books. Yeah, women will never.
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I had to be in the mood for romance. Like I'm kind of more so summertime. I don't know. Like right now I'm reading Love Letters to Whiskey, which I put off reading, but it's really good. Yeah, but I normally read like mystery housewife thrillers.
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Yeah.
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B
Just housewives. Like.
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Well, I think drama. I think for men to understand from a very young Age. I wanted to do my best, like, understand women. I think it's very. It's very important for me to have empathy, to, like, understand how other people think. Like, I'm constantly, like, every day. I think one of the things that, like, drives me to. To be better at is, like, understand people outside of my own shoes. Like, how can I put myself in other people's shoes? Like, understand where they're coming from better and what. I just don't do it for you. I just don't do a good enough job of that for you.
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Yeah, I just wanted to.
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And I think when you look at men, so don't take this the wrong way. I'm not saying this as a negative knock towards women, but women are not the best at telling people what they're actually thinking. Like, men are really good at telling you what they're thinking, whereas women, you have to, like, decipher, at least from a man's point of view.
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B
It's kind of like women aren't good sometimes expressing what they want. Just like, men are not good at listening.
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Yeah, that's fair. I think that's fair. But a man, like women that can write romance novels, or even men that can write romance novels, I think women probably do a little bit better. A man can understand female psychology by reading romance novels. Whereas, like, if he ask a woman to tell him about female psychology, she's not going to do a good job. But he reads a romance novel because of the story. Like, he'll understand it a lot better than he would if he just asked a woman, like, hey, tell me how women think. Like, ask me the question. Tell me how men think.
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B
They don't listen.
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No, just ask me, like, how does a man's mind.
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B
How does a man's mind.
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He just wants to have food, he wants to have success, and he wants to, like, please others around him. It's very. Men are very.
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B
I think every man wants to please others around them.
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But yeah, there's some with like, narcissistic personality disorders out there. But most men, they just want to be respected and honored and loved. I think most people just want to be respected on love. I think men, though, they have like a short, like, way to. They just want to get there, you know. Whereas, like women, there's more complexity to their psychology.
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Like single focus.
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Yes, very much so. Whereas women are like, they're much more empathetic. I think that's actually an interesting point to, like, having more estrogen in the brain actually gives women, like, extra sensory perception in a way that men don't understand. Understand. Like extra estradiol in the brain makes women more psychic or telepathic or intuitive.
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Yeah.
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If that's the more appropriate word. But what I'm saying is I think like extra estradio in the brain makes women more perceptive of non sensory things around them. Anyway. I don't know how I started talking about that. People probably like, shut up. Zynex says. Thank you for the masterclass videos. You are very welcome. That is, I think for me it's like the highest realized form of content creation for the way that I like to do it. And it's good to know that there's at least some people out there that appreciate that as well. So very helpful for me. So thank you for that. Thinking about an epital on 1mg pm and penal on 1mg am concurrent protocol for 20 days. Should dosing be adjusted higher for either for best results? No, I would start there. I really wouldn't push those higher than 2 milligrams per day. So I would start there and see how you feel. And you can run that cycle a couple times per year. Seems to be the best protocol that we know now. Maybe that will evolve into the future. Sh says any pep protocol for Vertigo. So many women around me currently are developing it lately. I don't care if it's for the rant ramp booster, but I don't. Vertigo is such a tough one because it's kind of like migraines. Like it's just there could be very multiple causes.
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Yeah.
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Of it. I will say for tinnitus and I think it would probably translate to vertigo as well. I have heard that the bioregulator Sir Luten C E R L U T E N is the oral bioregulator, the. The Cavinson one, and then also the injectable version of that, which is cortagen. And I would do both of those together. Cortagen, 2 milligrams a day, 2 caps of sir lutein, and then throw in some SS31 for good measure and see how that does. Maybe it won't fix it, but that would be my. My best attempt. That. Good question. Sh. So the thyroid for men on trt. Here's what happens when you're on trt, whether you're a man or a woman. Is the.
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The.
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The exogenous testosterone being super physiological? Which not super physiological, it's just higher than what you would normally be because it's optimized. And what that does, is it actually the simplest Way to say it is it puts extra demand on the thyroid to crank out more thyroid hormone. And so typically, what you will see over time is, like, as a man's testosterone kind of trends up and then we'll level out, his thyroid output will, like, kind of can't see it, kind of start to, like, slow down a little bit, so it's not gonna fall off a cliff. But really smart doctors will tell you that TRT is always best supported by some thyroid support. Could be the thyroid bioregulator, could be desiccated thyroid. But my experience, it works really well for that. And so is it a hundred percent necessary? No. Like, plenty of men do fine without it. But if we're talking about optimization, in my opinion, it's always the best thing to do. A smart doctor would say, like, yeah, we want to. We want to do that in conjunction with trt. Yes. Dina? Magnesium. Magnesium is very important. It's one of those things like, I'm. I'm a huge magnesium person and don't go to bed without it. Donnie says. Any thyroid health advice? I'm thinking iodine, selenium. You do a couple, you know, 200 micrograms of selenium per day? I do that. I've gone back and forth with iodine. I'm not really deficient in it, but I think it's not bad to supplement with. But I think of the thyroid hierarchy is like thyrogen, which is the bioregulator, desiccated thyroid, and then synthetic T3 or T4, T3 and or T4. 90% of people will do fine with the thyrogen or the desiccated thyroid. And then for extreme cases, like a thyroidectomy, you could use the. The synthetic. And I realize that some people need that, but that's kind of my hierarchy. Tessa, IPPA didn't increase IGF levels at 42 years old. Would H or cycles of IGF R3 be the next step? Typically, yes. But also, too, I would say, like, IGF is not always the best proxy of if it's working or not, because IGF can fluctuate throughout the day, and it can be lower depending on the sleep you had the night before or whatever. And so it correlates. Yes, but it's not always the best proxy. So just take it with a grain of salt, you know, like, you can't always just. It doesn't track linearly with the dosage of secretagogs or the exogenous use of growth hormone the way that testosterone does. And so it's not always the Best proxy. The. The best. Best proxy is like effects in your life. See, Taylor, the GHK that you have recommended is labeled as a transdermal, not topical. So what would you suggest be the dose for the face?
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I would say like two to three drops. For the face? Yeah, just enough to coat the face. You don't have to go crazy. Lips bit.
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Best man protocol for summertime for a nice tan. Daily. Okay. Yeah. If you're going to do it daily and you're outside, you can do like 100, 200 micrograms per day. Usually what I do, especially if, like we're out in the sun. It's been raining all week, so I haven't had to use any. Now I'm going to lose my tan from being at the beach. Oh. Well, What do you think about Sloop? Since the safety data is very thin. Anything else you recommend? Similar to slu, you could use atx. It's a different molecule, different mechanism, but I think practically the results are as good. But yeah, I like Sloop. I've used it. I don't use it all the time. Cause I don't need to. But I think it's good. Like it's. It's definitely a good compound to use. I just don't do the higher doses. But to each their own. Taylor, thoughts on hair loss for low iron and low ferritin? I'm in an iron supplement every other day with vitamin C and lactoferrin.
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B
Are we using testosterone? I can't remember.
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Tina? I think so.
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B
I think so.
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I think she had mentioned that before.
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B
So I would say testosterone. Desiccated thyroid.
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Yeah, sometimes too. The low iron can be a nutrient absorption issue. So I always check for like leaky gut when I see that. And also too. I don't know in this case with dena, but with calories, heavy periods, sometimes that can.
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B
Yeah. That just happen if. But plus one that was thinking about getting the hysterectomy.
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A
Oh, no, the dnc.
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The dnc. Done. Which tells me that they're probably having heavy menstrual cycles. This is me just guessing because I don't know your age, but could potentially up the testosterone and progesterone.
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Yeah.
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Because the progesterone is going to help with heavy. Heavy bleeding. So.
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Yeah.
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Trying to piece it together, not knowing like. Like a full.
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Yeah.
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Case evaluation.
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Is it important to run HCG or gonadorellan while incipientate? Does HCG or gonadrolin have any estrogen response? Well, it will aromatize, so you probably have a Little bit higher estrogen, but in my experience, not bad. As long as you're metabolically healthy is important. I mean, it depends on if fertility is issue. If it is, you definitely wanna run it. If it's not, I say just do what feels best. Some guys need it, some guys don't. If it weren't for fertility, I don't need hcg. Like, I would not use HCG if I was not attempting to be fertile right now. But some guys need it and they feel like they need it for testicular fullness. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with it, but that's my thought. Shinda says, how do we learn what IGF is? You can just make sure it's your own on your blood work. So if you order your own blood work, just make sure it's got an IGF panel on there. Penilon for verbal fluency. Yes, that would absolutely help. Help too. Working on doing that. Bioregulating on the brain. New pept. Great too. Rick says lost a crap ton of weight. Rx ters to Retta, but stalled blood was showing primary hypo. Started TRT yesterday. Finally pulled the trigger and first shot hit the euphoria. Energy was amazing. There you go. I mean, it's. You definitely have a honeymoon phase if you're doing trt. Right. But it's also too. It's. It's a honeymoon phase, but then you just. You start to default to feeling great, and then you're like, well, why doesn't everyone feel like this? And so, like, do I wake up in the morning now and think, like, I'm on TRT and I'm in euphoria? No, but I feel. I feel darn good most days. Like, I feel, like, great most days when I get up in the morning. And so welcome to the other side. Rick. You have now exited the matrix. You took the red pill. Yes. Dina says HIT is very important for women for fat loss. Agreed. Peptides that help with nasal polyps. I don't know, maybe if you did some intranasal BPC and TB500. I don't know if that would help.
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Yeah, or intranasal kpb.
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Yeah, that. That intranasal KPB is actually efficacious for clearing Candida out of the brain. Yeah, but if it's a polyp in response to inflammation, maybe that will help too. So, yeah, I've heard Tessa fencing avoid with methylene blue. I would definitely avoid that. So that's a good point, Dina, about the avoiding with methylene Blue. Does human and reverse biological age and is it safe to take in my 40s? Definitely safe to take in your 40s. I think it's safe to take any time. Does it reverse biological age? I mean, who knows? Maybe, maybe not. Sha says, does a coffee talk get added to your AI Q&A? I love the AI Hunter. I get so many answers from it. Yes, it does, but I just have to do it in batches so it doesn't like auto. Maybe one day I'll figure out like a way for like the auto scrape, but right now it's just like every couple weeks I'm batching it in there and doing it. So it's a lot of work. But I like it and I know it provides value to people. Alonzo says, hurt my back this morning. I have BPC and TV 500 on deck. Where's the best place to inject? I would say, I mean, if it's your lower back, you just kind of like try to grab some skin there and have a friend or partner do it and just grab the skin and then slide it in sideways so you don't want to inject it a 90 degree angle. Just pinch some skin, slide it in at a 45 or a 30 degree angle and you'll be good. Wendy says, what would you suggest in place of enclomophine? Husband has been taking TRT for several months and his tea didn't respond until he added enclomophine. Hmm. You might not have been taking Wendy. I don't know his dose, but that sounds like to me the classic doctor gave you a hundred milligrams per week of testosterone, which is too low, thus it didn't bump it. But you could use HCG or HMG in place of enclomiphene and get the same effect. For the most part. Yeah. Yes. For blood tests, do lcms. You want to make sure your hormones are lcms. Liquid chromatography, mass spectrometry. I have, I'm on retta and haven't lost a pound. Also do SS31 and AD NAD. My testosterone has always been in the tank. Is this per preventing me from losing weight? Yes, absolutely, please. And that's where too, it's like, can you. Could you take 50 milligrams or a week of retrude and potentially lose weight? Yeah, but it's never going to work as good if you're with testosterone. I don't recommend 50 milligrams per week. What I'm saying is that like you can take all the red in the world. But if your hormones are in the tank, your body's going to have a very, very hard time getting fat off because the hormones are not optimized. For the HCG GY question, add 30 milligrams of zinc per day if you aren't already supplementing zinc, the natural AI. Which is true. And I like zinc supplementation. It's not like a aromatase inhibitor the way anastrozole is, but it will help reduce the expression of visceral fat, and it will help clear the body of some of those, like, negative inflammatory things that will cause what we think is high estrogen. Also, 1 milligram of copper per 10 milligrams of zinc as well. Good stuff. Yes. Vitamin B1 for fibromyalgia to thiamine. Vitamin B1, very important for fibromyalgia. Sean says, tell us about your vacation. We were in Italy for two weeks. We actually took Taylor's parents with us. So that was a dream come true for them because Taylor's mom is Italian and. Air quotes. She's of an Italian descent.
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Her grandfather was.
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Yes, I know. I'm just teasing. But yeah, it was. It was awesome. It's very cool. I was talking to Taylor this morning, like, travel is the greatest threat to ignorance, as Mark Twain said. And it's so cool. We love where we live. I love the United States. I love living here. I love our home. I love everything about it. But I love traveling because it just gives you perspective on the world that you cannot get otherwise from all the books and all the movies and stuff. And I love it for that reason. And for me, because of the. The history nerd of me, it was so cool because we got to go to see the Coliseum, which was like. That was so cool for me. I was just like a little kid walking around there and seeing some of the stuff there. So it was very, very fun. I had a blast.
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And would you say that was your favorite day?
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Yeah, probably. We also got to go on a boat, and so we got to like, see some of, like, the islands or the beaches on Sardinia where you can't get to with a car. Like, you have to take a boat there. And that was really cool, too, because you just see, like, how the beauty, the. How uncontaminated things are there relative to, like, how environmentally contaminated things are here in the United States. And so that was really cool. But I think for me, the. The nerd inside of me, we got to see the Vatican and the Coliseum, and some of that was really cool.
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B
What Those are your favorites.
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What do you mean? My favorite of the vacation?
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Yeah.
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Well, I hadn't seen those before.
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Yeah.
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So that was. I would think it was more memorable for like. I'll remember that, you know, of being in those places.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, I loved, I loved it all. Like, it was all awesome.
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But what I say for me would be the mall. No, I'm just kidding. No, the beaches were beautiful, but. But there's like a mall in Rome that has. It's like a four story mall and it's just like all different designer shops.
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Yeah.
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And what I figured out, it was also like last season's pieces, so they're a little bit cheaper. But at that point I'd already.
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It's kind of like an outlet mall for luxury goods.
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B
Yeah.
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So like the way we have outlet malls here in the States.
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B
But it was like designer.
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The discount coins, unquote. Discount. It's not really discounted, but like compared.
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No, it was, it was cheaper than going, cuz.
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Yeah. Than going to the actual store then.
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B
Going to the actual store.
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Yeah.
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Which I figured that out after I had already gone to those stores. And by the time we got to the mall, my shopping budget was. I got cut off.
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Yep. Going to start TRT soon. 125 milligram test set, broken down three times per week. Good starting point. I'm not your doctor. I think you should start at 200 milligrams of testosterone per week. And if you want to cut down the dose from there. Cut down the dose. This whole like starting at a hundred milligrams. I'm not saying it's like the worst thing in the world, but you're just like, if your total testosterone is 600, in my experience, like a hundred milligrams is just gonna put you at 600. And so why not take 200 milligrams? And then if you feel like it's too strong, you can always walk it back down. But if you do 200 milligrams broken up into three shots per week or four shots per week, I think you're gonna feel a lot better. And that's what I do. I'm not saying that everyone needs a dose that high, but to me that's like the standard therapeutic dose. And so I don't know where this whole. It's like, it's like, it's like a, a badge of honor. The lower you can do a testosterone dose. Like you, your body needs what it needs. Like if you need 200 milligrams, you need 200 milligrams. And so the reason I don't say start that low is because a lot of people do 125 milligrams per week and they don't really feel anything different at all. And you're, you're just like replacing what it was to begin with. And so you're shutting off your natural production to get the same levels that you were before, which are potentially not therapeutic. And so that's, that's my response. I mean you gotta talk with your doctor and do what's best for you. But that's my philosophy around it. SH says for husband asking what would happen on TRT if no MP Thyroid. Any signs we should look for. Basically you will probably get tired in the early afternoon.
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Yeah, the 3 o', clock like kind of crash when you need like a. Another cup of coffee or like an energy drink or.
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Yeah.
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Wanting to take a nap.
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And then obviously the best proxy is to look at your free T3 hormone. And usually I like to see that number like between four and five upper threes for sure. But if it's like sitting in like the two sevens or the three twos probably can benefit from being higher, closer to four or between four and five. Donnie says 30 gauge needle for sipping at Grape Seed. Only do 12 units, but not a problem for me. Not like a peptide. Not a huge problem. Maybe grape seed is thinner. I mean grape seed's a little bit thicker than MCT oil, but probably thinner than, than like cotton seed oil, which hopefully your pharmacy is not making it in cotton seed oil. But anyway, grapeseed oil is totally fine. That's why I use my pharma. Pharma version. Opinions on Sloop 915 Sloop 332. I don't know where to get Sloop 915 and I did. I wouldn't say it on air anyway, but I haven't used it, so I can't really comment on it. But it does seem to be more selective for the heart in terms of improving heart health than sleep at 332. But again, that's just in literature. And so do we know how that plays out in the real world? I don't know. And I haven't heard from enough people using it to say if there's any really any difference. Cerebral liasin for neurite growth and neuroplasticity. Yeah, for sure. I think everyone could stand a benefit from at least one or two cycles of cerebral LIN per year for that very reason. Try my first dose of CJC and IPA and half dose of Ceremore and receive all the symptoms of anaphylaxis shock. I took one dose of cjc, IPPA, broke out on hives and five days later took half doses and had symptoms of anaphylactic shock. What causes these symptoms? Think it's just an immune system thing, you know like you know it's hard to say why some people get it and some people don't but that's why I always tell people just so you. The, the bad issues almost always come from the growth hormone releasing hormones which is CJC and Serlin. If you would have just started ipamorelin in isolation which is a ghrp, the immune response to those are usually usually very very lesser or much less than the GHRHS. And so that's why I like Ipam Relin or even if you wanted to start with MK 777 I have not heard one person yet that took oral MK 777 and had an immune response like this. Although I took MK77 and I got my IGF tested the next morning and 10 milligrams of MK777 put my IGF at 3:11. So take for that what you will. Does that mean it works? I don't know but you know that's just the data point that I have. But yeah it's usually the immune stuff is from the GHRHS and so I would just not do those. And potentially what is what I recommend which is to just start ipamrellin by itself first. First if you are new to the class of agonists or secretagogs after two vials of SS31 success. Third file bad reaction, hives racing, heart pounding etc Same backwater. I threw that brand new bottle away as a common reaction with SS31. No so I mean you can get some headaches with it but I, I don't know if that actually would have been SS31. I mean maybe it was and maybe that was how your body responded but no. That picky sister is definitely not the cool one. Slotballs for the win.
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It's definitely not. No I'm just kidding.
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Started T4 and I've gained five pounds in three weeks. I'm about to start T3 also on or for glyfron and started two weeks ago. I don't Katherine know why but I would say to be on desiccated thyroid instead cuz you can just really like put yourself out of whack trying to do the T3 T4 balance.
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B
Yep.
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And so be harsh on the hair too? Yeah. Just be be aware and then.
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B
And even if you can't get the desiccated thyroid, like run the thyroid by a regulator instead. Yeah, would not touch either one of those
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A
if one gets tush. Acne, which I'm guessing is acne on your behind. What's the quickest way to clear it up? Use a retinol?
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B
Not necessarily. I would use. Honestly I would just inject LL37 into that area especially like the glue areas and be thicker and then ivermectin. Horse pace is going to help as well too. Salicylic acid.
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Yeah. Have you any experience with omnitrope H? How's it stack up against the ones you mentioned? I think omnitrope is good, it's just not as strong. So it's like the easiest one to probably get from a compounding pharmacy in the US but it's the cheapest and easiest way to get prescription in my experience. So it's good. Better than nothing for sure. She says she was on mast cell reaction to desiccated thyroid. Yeah. So I don't know. I would say probably if you're having a mass cell reaction, desiccated thyroid, probably fix something with the immune system first and potentially use thyrogen, which is the thyroid bioregulator.
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B
Thyroid bioregulator. 37 selenium.
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A
Yeah,
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B
maybe some thyin.
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32 year old female with PCOS. Eat clean plus exercise. Best protocol with hair loss despite DHT blocker plus methylated supplements. Fibromyalgia brain frog.
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B
Why are we.
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Okay, so no T blocking DHT is not going to help any of those things.
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B
Nope.
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A
My recommendation get on testosterone.
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B
I would get on microdose injectable testosterone,
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not do not use a cream microdose injectable testosterone. Your hair loss is probably from the reta and potentially just being nutrient deficient and starved out metabolism. Yeah. This could probably be like 80% fixed by injectable testosterone and 200 milligrams of progesterone at night.
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B
And some I would also. Switch to chiserapatide versus rotatrutide.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because strazaptide is going to be a little bit better for dealing with inflammatory stuff such as like PCOS.
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Yeah. And then also get on some SS31 and then get on Farsiga. And also too like, you gotta remember
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B
too like with like PCOS it's not because of like high levels of testosterone, it's insulin.
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A
So. So silly.
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B
Insulin resistance issue.
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A
Yeah. And see this is the thing too.
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B
This is why they've renamed it.
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A
Yeah. And she said E cleans and exercise. Someone can actually look very metabolically healthy and actually be eating clean and exercising.
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B
Oh, progesterone. We didn't even mention progesterone.
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No, that's what, that's what I said. I said 80% of this could be fixed by TRT and progesterone. But see a lot of women, they're. They're not actually fat and then they get picos because they're corn is also high because they don't have progesterone because then they're stressed out all the time and then they turn into also like
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B
luter phase defect where the body does not produce enough progesterone during that luter phase. So if I were you, I would get your progesterone checked seven days post ovulation. And if it's under, my guess is
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A
it would probably be like six in this case.
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B
Yeah, I'm g. Guess it's probably like a six or seven. And if it's under 15. Progesterone deficiency. Yeah, but seven days post ovulation is key there.
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Yeah, 1g of melatonin. The only way to actually do that is to get raw melatonin, bulk powder and then you just put it in your gums. But yeah, I've done that high and it was good. Worked for me. I don't need to do it all the time, but you can do it. What about the protein cheese puffs I need?
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B
Can you, can you put that in the chat?
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A
There's like where do I get those?
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B
Where do I get those
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A
CLO for an old, old ranker injury that has ongoing pain. Yeah, for sure. I think that could be good. What?
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B
Nothing.
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My estrogen quadrupled from my last labs to over 400. Um, Wendy, I don't know if that's your estrogen total or your estradiol level. Cuz that would be high if it was estrogen total. But if it's estradiol that would be pretty high.
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Yeah. And spotting when if you have recently added Esther started supplementing with estradiol like that is one of the side effects especially depending on how old you are, how if you are postmenopausal and how long you've been postmenopolis. Well no, you said you were 52 so you're probably not postmenopausal anyways. That is one of the side effects that like you know, the spotting and cramping can happen when introducing estrogen in but at 52 might not need if you're Supplement? I don't know. If you're supplementing with estrogen, you might not need it. You might be converting enough testosterone to where you don't need the estrogen. Make sense what I'm trying to say?
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Yeah. Sean says physical therapy can help vertigo. That's probably true. I'm sure there's like some sort of like misalignment too, whether it's spinal or whatever that can help fix it. Shannon says have obese client on red. I lost 80 pounds so far. Wants TRT, but I told him till his body's safely at 2:32,35. Too scared of issues with my male clients, friends or heavier. I mean, it's kind of like a chicken or the egg. I think the person was that heavy for a reason to begin with. And if they're not gonna do it, TRT is not gonna help, meaning they're not gonna exercise and stuff. But if they're gonna do every. If they're gonna commit to it, I think TRT could be good. But I just want. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, yeah, and he definitely didn't commit to exercising and eating cleaner. But I think it's better to have it than to not have it. But I get the concern because it's like, well, yeah. Is this person just going to think that they're going to inject testosterone? They can continue to eat cheese puffs, you know, not really going to do that much. Those ones from lesser evil. Got those cheese puffs with avocado oil, non GMO corn, but it's still not Cheetos. Also very hungry. I'm only on 1mg of orphocle. Yeah, that's basically like a non dose. So you're gonna have to get to like 12 milligrams of Orle Daily to actually feel anything. But also dealing with bloating and constipation. 250 protein, 160 carbs, 32 grams of fat, plus 100 calories of ketones. Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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I don't know what to tell you there because if you get bloating in, you're the fat. Those fats are probably a little too high. Yeah.
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B
But I don't know if you're gonna cut. Are you gonna cut like you may.
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I don't know where to get copper. Probably get it on Amazon as a supplement. IGF1 went from 94 to 123 after six weeks of IPA. CJC curious on how it could keep this level up when taking six to eight weeks off at recommended. I mean it's not really good if your IGF was only 94 like coming off as you're just. And honestly that's like a marginal bump at best but attracts with peptides. And that's why I would recommend HGH to get that number into the two 50s. So there's really no answer to try to keep it high without support. It's just one of those things like you're just not going to be able to produce it the older you get. Yeah, this is the common thing. PCPs put you on a hundred milligrams of test every two weeks. Good luck. Feeling worse than you started. Allergic reactions to CJC. Tessa Sermarellin. If I'm good. Took MK777. Great sleep strength gains, no negative effects. There you go. Point proven that the GHRPs are much less immuno responsive. And then finally the last one, you made it 63 female. And have the Fox 04 ready to reconstitute. I'm nervous about to use healthy on T. Hrt. Um, I mean just do just under like I would not do it during a phase where you're like trying to exercise heavily or if you're like if you're traveling. Yeah. Like this is like, okay, I'm gonna take two weeks and I'm just gonna be chilled out. Like I'm not gonna be stressed. I'm not gonna be stressed from work. I'm not gonna be trying to train hard and I'm just do 1 milligram at night before bed. I'm gonna do that for 10 days in a row and I'm probably gonna get a little bit of flu like symptoms and that's okay. And you'll get over it and then you'll be good to go. And then your hair scale, I've. What I noticed is like it. It did make an improvement in my like hair and nails and skin from doing the Fox 04. Yeah, it just seems to have like a little bit better like complexion and stuff when I've run it. But then also too you just feel better. Everything just kind of feels like you
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did a Dentox and you might not have like. I know like when I did it like I just felt like, I just felt kind of like nervous nasal. You had more of a sinus.
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Like I didn't really get sick at all. Maybe I was kind of like, I was kind of like tired.
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B
You're just hired.
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Yeah. Like you know how you feel tired before you get sick. Like there's that feeling of like you're about to get sick. That's kind of how I felt, but I never got sick. But some people get full on like, yeah, definitely can happen. As you are cleansing yourself. Well, that is it. Or at least all I see. So thank you guys. Another amazing Saturday coffee talk. We appreciate you. We love you as always. You know where to find us. If you want to be in the private group and do live calls where you can actually come on live and talk to us and then also private message us, check out the Axion Collective. But just in closing, thank you guys so much. We are so blessed to get to do this. The fact that I get to come on on Saturday morning and hang out with you guys, talk about these things and have actually people interested in listening is truly a dream come true for me. So thank you guys. Whatever it is or what, whatever shape or form fashion it is, you support us. Thank you so much. And please know that that does not go unnoticed. Without you guys, we don't exist. So stay tuned. I don't know exactly when we'll be back for the next one we'll have to see. Probably not next weekend, maybe the weekend after that, maybe not. But we'll be back at least in two or three weeks. So as always, thank you guys. We love you and we will see you in next one.
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Thanks guys.
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PE.