Saturday Morning Coffee Talk 8/8/26

Summary

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The Hunter Williams Podcast – Saturday Morning Coffee Talk 8/8/26

Date: August 9, 2026
Host: Hunter Williams
Co-host: Taylor
Episode Theme:
“Average health is a choice. And it's the wrong one.”
A deep, practical, and candid discussion on peptides, hormone optimization, metabolic health, biohacking, and cutting through the noise of the wellness industry—with a particular focus on long-term safety, hormone strategies, and listener Q&A.

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Episode Overview

Hunter and Taylor dive into the realities of health optimization, questioning mainstream narratives around “wellness” and taking a seriously critical approach to peptides, hormones, metabolic interventions, and lifestyle foundations. Addressing both personal experiences and real listener questions, the discussion covers long-term safety of peptides, hormone replacement strategies for men and women, hormone and peptide protocols for diverse goals (from menopause to fertility to athletic performance), plus practical, evidence-based answers about dosing, stacking, side effects, and more.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Long-Term Side Effects of Peptides

• Catalyst: A med spa conversation inspired Taylor’s question about the unknowns of peptides' long-term use.

• Major GLPs (GLP-1 agonists) like semaglutide:

  • Around for almost 20 years; real-world evidence points to improved overall health outcomes, especially by reducing the risk factors associated with being overweight.

    “If anything, people are improving their health... it is just making people healthier. Yes, you have the muscle loss and the Ozempic face, but those are side effects of losing weight, not really the peptide.” — Hunter [04:01]

• Comparative risk: The dangers of excess weight far outweigh the theoretical long-term risks of these peptides.

• Peptide safety mechanisms: Many peptides have “rate-limiting” factors, limiting their risk at higher doses and making them often safer than many pharmaceuticals.

• The unknown: Candid admission that there are no 40-year studies, but current opinion is that—mechanistically and anecdotally—most are likely safe.

  “Although my one wish would be that everyone would have their hormones optimized, if you could just get a GLP into everyone over age 25 who isn’t at the right bodyweight, you would see dramatic health improvements.” — Hunter [05:53]

2. Peptides vs. Lifestyle Risk Factors

• Importance of reframing the “long-term effects” question.

  “What about the long-term consequences of being overweight, not exercising, drinking alcohol, or the things we know are bad?” — Hunter [07:20]

• Analogy to cigarette propaganda and the power of independent thinking. Hunter encourages listeners to do personal research and not accept dogma—from him or anyone else:

  “Be your own independent thinker... Go out, read, experiment, and don’t just wait for a 40-year study to get started.” — Hunter [08:31]

3. Health Optimization Foundations

• Peptides are not magic: exercise, diet, sleep, and foundation habits matter even more.

  “If you optimize those things, the peptides will work better too.” — Hunter [10:11]

• Social media often distorts effective diet and exercise—real results are about personalized experimentation, not blindly following “what I eat in a day” influencers.

4. Hormone Replacement: Myths, Dosing, and Delivery Methods

• Women in perimenopause/menopause:
  Hormone replacement therapy (especially testosterone) is irreplaceable for truly optimizing health, mood, and body composition. Peptides support, but can’t substitute for, hormones.

  “There are a lot of people who will sell you peptides instead of hormone replacement... but it just isn’t going to do the same thing.” — Taylor [41:15]

• Testosterone delivery:
  Injection is almost always better than cream for women (due to DHT spike and absorption), but access remains controversial and hard to obtain from many providers.

  “If you want the best results, get the injections. Most women feel so much better and see better labs and hair health over time.” — Taylor [81:30]

• Switching from cream to injections: Importance of getting the right compounded dose (e.g., 20mg/ml for women), and the practicalities of administration.

5. Peptide Stacking, Cycling, and Dosing

• Safe to stack?
  Most peptides in similar classes can be safely combined (e.g., BPC + TB500 for injuries) but avoid mixing peptides from different classes (e.g., GLPs and GH peptides) in one syringe.

  “If it gets cloudy when you mix them, it may have denatured.” — Hunter [58:09]

• Duration and cycling:
  For protocols such as CLO injections: 8 weeks on, 8 weeks off is a typical starting recommendation but should be tailored to response and healing goals.

6. Empathy, Brain Health, and Hormones

• Discussion of a study finding that acute testosterone application increases interoceptive awareness and may enhance empathy—contrary to common myths about testosterone being “aggressive.”

  “What [this study] means is that optimizing testosterone makes you more aware of your internal emotions, which then lets you pick up on what’s going on with others. It actually raises empathy.” — Hunter [28:25]

• Estradiol in women provides a “sixth sense” when optimized—hormonal balance affects consciousness, patience, and mood.

  “After starting testosterone and progesterone, women often tell me, ‘I’m more patient with my husband, my kids, and I don’t cry for no reason anymore.’” — Taylor [76:47]

7. Exercise for Optimization

• Sprint training, HIIT, and resistance work produce disproportionate mental and metabolic benefits—not just fat loss. Find the modality that motivates you and fits your body type and history.
• Rebounder, elliptical, or even at-home sprints—customize for fun and sustainability.

8. Topical and New Delivery Routes

• Excitement about transdermal and nasal peptides (especially for aesthetic or localized effects), though injections remain “gold standard” for most health outcomes.
• Transdermal glutathione for skin; injectable for deeper detox.

9. Hair Loss, Skin, and Other Specialized Q&A

• Testosterone creams can cause hair thinning in women (due to DHT); injections and thyroid support provide better results for many.
• Hair serum combos: GHk, AHK, and specialized peptides like KY193382 discussed.
• BPC and TB500 for eye health—can be made into eye drops with contact solution.

10. Fertility, PCOS, & Advanced Q&A

• Combination approach: GLP-1 (e.g., tirzepatide), Kisspeptin (timed to ovulation), progesterone (especially for PCOS) are most promising.
• SS31, Epitalon, FOXO4 can be considered adjuncts in advanced fertility protocols.
• Testosterone, when managed with proper co-therapies (e.g., HCG, Enclomiphene), is not damaging to male or female fertility—can even be used to optimize IVF.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On being proactive:

  “Average health is a choice. And it’s the wrong one.” — Hunter [Episode Theme]

• On safety:

  “Most peptides mechanisms... tend to be safer than a lot of pharmaceutical meds people take just because they’re FDA approved.” — Hunter [06:01]

• On hormone creams vs. injections:

  “Cream — no matter the dose — is going to increase DHT more, which is not what a woman wants. Less masculinization… with injectable, you can strictly control your total.” — Hunter [64:12]

• On doctors who refuse injectable hormones:

  “The doctor either doesn't know what they're doing... or they just don’t want to. If you’re paying out of pocket and they still won’t, get a new doctor.” — Hunter [89:14]

• On diet and cardio flexibility:

  “You have so much more room to play with your nutrition if you just incorporate more cardio.” — Taylor [12:48]

• On sweating and biofeedback:

  “I love sweating… what I hate is working out in a cold room where it’s hard to sweat. I’d actually rather work out in a hot room.” — Hunter [72:08]

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Major Listener Q&A Segments — Selected Highlights & Timestamps

[19:39] Hormone strategies for men over 50; HGH vs. secretagogues
[22:58] HRT/peptide protocols for rheumatoid/osteoarthritis & IBS
[26:09] Testosterone and empathy, plus neuroscience study deep-dive
[35:08] Injectable peptides for vascular health in women
[36:28] ATX (Astaxanthin) and Adipotide for metabolic rate
[40:59] Hormone regulation in peri/menopause
[43:05] Peptide support for female athletes and muscle mass maintenance
[51:24] New peptide “Sauna”/MVD1 (creatine-based thermogenic)
[64:39] Safe dosing/delivery for women’s testosterone
[73:39] Sloop 9:15 trial results (“stronger, but not burnout-y yet”)
[78:31] Arthritis/nerve damage peptides: Ara290, LL37, TB500, KPV
[83:47] Hair loss on hormone therapy: delivery and compounding tactics
[86:04] How to boost energy and overcome persistent fatigue
[91:38] Fertility and PCOS: peptide/hormone protocols
[93:48] Convincing a male partner to try hormone optimization
[95:16] Peptide stacking—how many is too many?
[98:06] Peptide certification for health professionals
[99:03] Addressing infertility protocols: Epitalon, FOXO4, and podcasts for support
[107:17] Peptides for vision/eyesight: SS31, BPC, TB500 eye drops
[110:07] Is testosterone bad for (male or female) fertility? Proper co-therapies

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Practical Pearls, Tips & Protocols

• For surgical procedures: Pause most peptides 7 days before; GLPs may require longer washout (~30 days for high doses). Always inform anesthesiologist if using GLPs.
• Testosterone for women: If switching from cream to injection, get a compounded 20mg/ml solution. 1–2mg 2–3x/week by injection is typical.
• Peptides for injuries: BPC, TB500, and KPV can be combined for systemic and localized healing. KPV especially helpful for inflammation-driven pain.
• Peptides for endurance athletes: SS31 (5mg/day) plus MOTS-c may dramatically enhance recovery and stress resistance.
• Eye health: SS31 injections or BPC/TB500 drops (reconstitute with sterile contact solution) can support vision.
• For PCOS/fertility: GLP-1s, Kisspeptin, progesterone, add-on SS31 or glutathione for egg quality.
• For hair loss: Avoid DHT spiking creams, optimize thyroid, consider injectable testosterone, and use proven peptide hair serums (e.g., K Y 193382).
• Peptide stacking: Only stack as many as needed for defined goals; more isn’t always better.
• Quality control: When in doubt, consult with experienced professionals and get regular bloodwork to guide interventions.

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Closing Reflections

Hunter and Taylor's approach is unapologetically focused on optimization, moving beyond “average health” and challenging both mainstream medicine and biohacking fads. The podcast stands out for its clinical nuance, honesty about what is and isn’t known, and commitment to empowering listeners to think critically and experiment responsibly.

“It’s a blessing, honor and privilege to get to bring this to you... I just always want you to know we are eternally grateful for the support.” — Hunter [114:50]

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Transcript

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[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And we are live.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Good morning.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Good Saturday morning. Hope everyone is doing awesome. Feels like a long time. So it's only been two weeks, but it feels like a long time since we did the last one. Yeah, longer time, I guess before we did that one. But anyway, before we launch into everything, I see we've got some good questions already coming in. So thank you guys. You can just let us know. I'll only ask once if you can hear us and see us. Okay. So that we are not talking without anyone hearing us. I also too, when I was starting it up, I had to like upgrade our streamyard thing for more storage, which is only $3, which is nice, but I just want to make sure it always is coming through, which is, I know, annoying for people on the recording, but I don't want to start. All right. They say we are good. All right, go ahead and drop your questions in. I promise we will get to each and every one of them, but you can go ahead and start dropping those in. We'll just start talking for a little bit and then we'll launch into questions. But anyway, Taylor and I were talking this morning about any topics that we wanted to go over. I think Taylor, sometimes these topics are just out of our own personal lives that come up in day to day.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And they were like, oh, that could actually be an interesting topic. So today Taylor's like, I want to talk about the long term side effects of peptides.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. And this came up with somebody that I met this week at the med spa that I go to and she asked me, she made the comment, she was saying how she wants to get into peptides and how it's just, it's a lot and she wants to go do a certification and do Everything the right way, but then it's also like having the time to do that. And she was saying like what is the long term use of peptides? Like what, what are the sad effects that could happen using peptides long term?

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Well, see, I'm such a smart alec. I would always answer a question with a question, be like, well, what about the stuff that you're injecting my face? What is the long term side effects

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

of that you're calling me out, what I was getting done.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Well, you said you're, you said you're in a med spa. I mean.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, I mean it could be I'm not pregnant.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It could be anything. Well, we were not pregnant yet. Even though if we, if we were, we wouldn't tell everyone but we're not pregnant yet.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So which is true. I, then I, I was thinking that and I wanted to say that but obviously when someone's like injecting your face and using like, it's just also, also too. The other thing is too is that like I don't really want to get into an educational conversation when I'm just like literally trying to do something that's like self care to help me feel better in a way of me taking care of myself. Like I want to go into places like being a client. I don't want to go into a place being an educator.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. But then it always ends up what do you do?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

For me it always ends up, yeah, being that way.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Well to the point. Long term side effects.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Long term side effects.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Interesting. With geo, I think what everyone probably thinks about is like okay, GLPs first. Right. Well we've had GLPs for going on like 20 years now. It's not. Although it is more of a recent phenomenon. Yes. We've had them for a while and no one's dropping dead yet. If anything people are improving their health and I think even if you just there was obviously ones before semaglutide, liraglutide, exenatide, but even with semaglutide, now that we've got probably what like a good eight, nine years of really good data on it so far, if anything it is just making people healthier. Yes, of course you have the muscle loss and the ozempic phase and whatever. But I would say my opinion on that specifically with the GLPs and those side effects that come up with them are that those are side effects of weight loss and the GLP is just enabling the person to lose weight more effectively with it's giving them more Self control to lose weight. And those people would have those same side effects if they just lost weight through reducing food intake, which is what they're doing. And I think just my opinion from what I see is that one, obviously being overweight is much more of a risk than taking the peptide. For sure.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Like that's very hard to debate. If you look at blood work and if you look at what's going on inside the person's body and you look at hospitalization outcomes, heart failure outcomes, those things, it's much more dangerous for a person to be overweight than to take a peptide and lose the weight. Sure. Are you going to have side effects if you lose weight? Yeah, but you're going to have those in anyway, like you were going to deal with those anyway. And I think the, what people want to know is like, well what happens if you're taking these? You know, and I think the, ultimately the, the honest answer is we don't know. But what I would say is that it is better than the alternative for most people. And although my, my, my one wish would be that everyone would have their hormones optimized.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But if you could actually just get a GLP into everyone over the age of 25, I mean I think people younger obviously can take it. But if you were to just take everyone that's 25, that is not the body weight that they need to and give them a glp, you would see dramatic improvements in the outcome of health across the world. And so I think that specifically with the GLPs, long term effects of other peptides, I would say it, it, it's hard because like there's different peptides that do different things obviously. And what I would say is that for the very least, most peptides, not all peptides, most peptides, the mechanism of action via what they work tends to be safer than a lot of pharmaceutical medication to which a lot of people will take a pharmaceutical medication just because it's FDA approved without really knowing. Maybe we have five years of data on it, but we don't have long term data on it. And peptides anecdotally, we have a lot of data on them being used for a long time. Meaning that I feel safe via most peptides mechanism, not all peptides, but most peptides mechanisms of how that would play out long term because at the end of the day a lot of them have rate limiting factors that you could take a bunch of them meaning a very high dose of them and beyond a certain dose threshold it's not gonna really have that Much of an effect. And yes, I can't tell you what that means 40 years from now, but I would say it would seem to be that the most, most of the ones we have access to probably gonna be okay.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

In that sense, I agree. But I do think it's interesting because people. It's a fair question, but I just want to kind of throw it back to those people and be like, well, what are the long term consequences of being overweight, of not exercising, of drinking alcohol, of doing all these things that we know are bad for you? It's kind of like, you know, remember there's this documentary called the Merchants of Doubt, and it's about the cigarettes. Like when, when we first started finding out that cigarettes were unhealthy, the 50s and 60s, there was this whole campaign where doctors were going on TV shows because that was like the propaganda.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Was it in the 50s and 60s when they.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Maybe it was a little bit later.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I think it was later.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Maybe it was like in the 70s. I think it was more 70s going back. I remember I watched this in a philosophy class in college and there was just. So we forget now, like no one in the United States, you go into a restaurant, you can't smoke anywhere. But back in the 70s, 60s and 70s, that was like smoke was everywhere in the restaurant.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You know, I remember like in high school, like in South Carolina, like they were still smoking even then.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So it wasn't that long ago.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Even in the, you know, early 2000s.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, it wasn't that long ago. Yeah. How fast we forget. But what I'm saying is that there was a whole industry of trying to convince people that cigarettes were healthy for you. Not only like not bad, but also like potentially healthy for you. Where doctors would go on TV shows and everything. And I think if, if I could impart one thing to people is just be your own independent thinker. Don't listen to me. Don't listen to Taylor in an. In an echo chamber or vacuum. Go out and put your own mind to the test. Go read for yourself, go experiment for yourself and go do those things rather than just saying, well, I want to get healthier. But I don't know, the long term studies. I mean, I guess there's a. There are certain things that I would say I'm not going to do because I don't know the long term effects. But that's because I have informed decision making around what I think that could potentially do based on the mechanism or whatever. And I'd be like, yeah, that's probably not the best thing. And it also too, to me it's like the benefits don't outweigh the risk. I think in most peptides that are good, you would say the benefits far outweigh any of the risk that you're gonna get out of it just for enhanced living or whatever. But yeah, it's a. Interesting thought. I think I've been so asked like what are the long term side effects of GLPs? That's probably like more of like the, the mainstream question.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And I think a lot of like people like because of the pancreas and everything, like that's what they're. I know in the past that's like where I've had like medical providers that I've worked with like say those comments to me that were newer into even learning and understanding peptides.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I mean the interesting thing with the pancreas is that in a lot of cases, yeah, it takes the burden off of it.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

The burden off the pancreas.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Tirzepatide improves, insulin secretion from the pancreas improves all those things. And I think in the case of, I wonder how much of those things are kind of made worse by the person's health. And obviously I think where we default, you know, I was thinking about this yesterday of we talk about peptides. I love talking about peptides. I'm always going to hopefully talk about peptides or whatever is out there to help make people healthier and how little. And I know this is not what people are here for to listen to us talk about, but I just want to drop the, drop it just in case. Maybe it resonates with someone how little goes into the attention given to diet, exercise and foundations. And I think when we look at peptides, at the very least those are just going to make your peptides work better if you're optimizing those things. And I think because that's just the default nature because my whole life I've been an athlete and exercising and eating healthier has always been a part of my life. But I forget how many people just, they don't even understand food groups, you know, and they wonder why they can't lose weight. And it's like GLP of course is going to help.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

But I think also social media like doesn't help either because it's like, I mean and also this really is like age dependent, like age group wise. Like you know, social media doesn't help because then you go on social media and you see like all these what I eat in a day videos of these you know, fit girls that are eating, you know, a ton of fat and no. No carbohydrates and like high fat, like moderate protein, low carb and that's what they think they should eat. Or they mimic someone who is in a completely different macro count. And that's like.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But that actually might be the best for that person, but not the other person.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You know, and it's also too like, you know, you don't really know like how much cardio that person's getting it. They might show you going to the gym and lifting, but they're not showing like them doing hit interval training that they could be doing. And I think when it comes down to it, like everything kind of comes back to cardio and movement and really understanding like how important is like exercise is along with using peptides and using that with fat loss.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I've been in the day, like, if you don't want to be so restrictive with your calories, it's, you know. Yes. Like the importance is to eat whole foods.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And non processed foods and seed oils and whatnot. But it's like at the end of the day, like you have so much more room to play and move with your nutrition if you just incorporate more cardio.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Into your routine.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I mean, plus resistance training on top of that too.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. But it's crazy for me, in the last couple weeks I just have been more. I wouldn't say that I. I've always done hit my whole life. The last couple weeks I've been doing more sprint training. Like actually running and sprinting. Not like going for long runs, but like I'll just go around the neighborhood and I'll sprint for six seconds and then kind of slow down and then walk for a little bit and then do intervals like that and. And how much. And it's probably just because I'm an athlete and we always do that because we're always like doing something, whether it's like tennis or whatever and you're getting sprint training out of that. But I just feel so much like there's so much of a mental benefit to that beyond even just doing the standard cardio, which is good. And I think everyone should do. And for me, and it's probably just because it's fun to me and it also is like reminiscent of being an athlete. And so I enjoy those things. To me that. I know that sounds annoying to a lot of people, but like, I enjoy doing those things.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And how much better it makes me feel when I engage that. And obviously, like how Much better peptides and stuff.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. And I think like for somebody who I've talked about this, like who doesn't enjoy or hadn't enjoyed cardio in the past and now I do enjoy cardio and I think, I think it's about finding for people that don't, that don't have an athletic background, that don't love the cardio movements. It's finding which cardio movements like make it the most motivating for you and what you're doing during it. So it's like bliss. Cardio. Like, is it better for some people to read a book? Is it better to watch a show? Is it better to listen to an audiobook? And like what works for one person isn't going to be right for another. Like, because at the time, like you have to do it also to it mentally is like how it's going to trigger the mind. And then when it comes to like adding, incorporating hit, it's like for me like the most enjoyable way where I feel like it's the easiest on my body to do hit is on elliptical machine.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Which I don't know why we said about the ski. And I do enjoy. The skier would be my favorite. But for me sometimes because of how hard I train my legs, sometimes doing the skier and the positioning of having to like bend and kind of do a little bit of like a squat stance in it is actually like when I'm doing the skier is actually more taxing on my legs sometimes. So sometimes it's more, it's just more challenging for me just to even have to body position wise because my quads feel like they're on fire because of like what training I did maybe the day before.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So that's something. I mean, honestly, using the rebounder, doing hit on the rebounder has been so like that's like fun to me. And like it's so it's like. And I didn't get that. I didn't get a rebounder until like a couple months ago. And it's kind of like I wish I had gotten that sooner. But I would say like that would be like if I were to put them in a category list order, it would be definitely like elliptical. The skier, the rebounder. I don't love cardio as much on a bike. Probably has a lot to do with again like always constantly feeling tight in my quads, which is just I need to be better about stretching and flexibility, mobility work. If that's the case, I just don't get like as much of a challenge and burn with it. And then like the outside sprinting is just sometimes I get the craving for that. But it's probably lower on the form just because of again not having like that athletic background of like the more that like athletic background in the sense of like running and sprint work is probably it's more newer for my body to get like equipped to that and just because also too like I've complained over the last year and a half now about my feet hurting and my ankles hurting. So like that is not going to be as like enjoyable because it's also like me having to fix like how I walk and how I, how my walk and my glide is.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

Yeah.

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[Colleen Ramser (Trauma Therapist)]

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[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, running is definitely something I think it's better to learn at a young age.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Because then it gets a lot harder.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. And I think cuz growing up dancing, it's like, you know, growing up you're always being on your toes. So like it is like more challenging for me to like it's very natural for me to want to sprint and even like when I'm doing hit on the elliptical to raise up like on my toes.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And I think that that's because of dancing at such a young age. Like that was more ingrained in my muscle to be on my on my toes versus being flat footed.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. I think at the end of the day it's just you gotta find what works for you.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You know, whether that's diet, obviously you want to be something that's healthy. But whether it's diet, certain foods that are healthier that you vibe with, like I could eat Mexican, Mexican esque food or Latin food every day of my life. Like I would never get tired of that. Maybe I would, I guess, but that's just one. Yeah. I Could probably eat it three or four nights a week and never get tired of it. Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

After like, usually after like having it two to three times a week, you're like, I don't. Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But anyway, it's just. Point being is it like find what works for you and then you, you'll always be able to do that longer term. Even if you look at like content creation of I, I have created content that works for me to be able to do and I will be able to do it for a very, very long time. Time where a lot of people wouldn't and they don't really know what kind of works best for them. So anyway, enough rambling. Let's do some questions. All right, let's see. Make sure I get the first one. All right. Mistyby1 says 50 year old man here. You mentioned people over 50 might be better off taking H. Should I stop taking the I stack and just make the switch? Can I take HH and the Ipatesis tech To answer the first part of the question, I don't think you should just stop what you're doing just because some crazy guy on the Internet said that. However, here is what I will tell you. HGH is one of those things that everyone will eventually always find their way to hgh. I love the HH peptides. They can work well, but just because you're over a certain age doesn't mean they're not going to work. They would work if you were 80 years old. It's just that they tend to work less effectively the older you are because you are relying more on the internal machinery to synthesize it rather than using the hormone itself. Does that mean you should stop? No, I think you could run that. And especially if you're getting good results with it, there's nothing wrong with it. Now if you're taking TESSA and IPA together, that's like the most powerful GHRH and GHRP combination. I would not personally mix HGH with that because I think it would just be overkill. I'm not. You definitely could if you wanted to. Like if you want to take HH in the morning and I test at night, you definitely could. There is this there. I guess there was a meme circulating of like how dangerous it is to take H and Tessa together because the basically the somatostatin release from the HGH is going to neutri or neutralize said neutrify. That's not a word. Neutralize the tessellin from working on the pituitary. That is definitely not True. And even if it was true, you're typically taking them at separate times of the day. So you would take like the HH in the morning and the test at night and by the time that there have been hours in between, that's totally fine to do. And you can even get a synergist effect. It's just not something I would do all the time. I don't think you need to do it all the time. But to the point I would just run through your IP intesta stack, get some hgh, use that. And even if you wanted to go back and forth at different times of the year, I do that. Like I use MK777 at different times to get some of the GHRP action. And sometimes I'll use that with hgh. Sometimes I'll take time off of HGH and just use the, the MK777. I like that because I think I, I actually kind of like the MK777 better than tessellin. I'm not gonna say it's better for fat loss, I just like how I feel on it. Better than the Tesla?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Nipper Marillin. But that's just a personal preference. Everyone's got to play around with that. But that would be my philosophy. Let anyone tell you, oh, just because you're 50 or 60 or 70 or whatever, that you can't use a peptide. You obviously can. It's just that HGH is always going to be a little bit better and everyone kind of like HH ends up being the long term solution. It's kind of like taking in clomophene or hcg. Those can trans bump your testosterone. But test and H will always be for a man or a woman. What they will end up finding is the best if they get them done the right way. Any thoughts?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I agree.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Amy Smith says 51 year old female, peptide therapy for 3 years, 5' 4, 140, rheumatoid arthritis, osteoarthritis, IBS. I stopped regenerative one week ago. Had nerve ablation in the right neck Thursday having neck, Thursday having left two weeks. When should I restart hipaa? Kpv? Cjc? Should I add Sarelin? You can add Sermorelin in addition to the Ipamorelin if you want to. I don't know how much added benefit you'll get from adding that. Ipamorelin is going to be a lot better. The CJC would obviously be better than the serumorellin too. But you don't need to add the Sermarin. On top of the cjc, that would be redundant. But I like to tell people, I mean it depends on the procedure. Depends on it, whatever. Usually like three to seven days after procedure, you're definitely fine to go ahead and start doing the peptides. You could probably, if you wanted to right away. I think there's just sometimes a little bit of benefit in letting the body create the inflammation out of that to like get all the processes kickstarted and then you'd bring in the peptides.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

After it. I think there's value in a little bit of like the, the inflammation that the body's going to respond to and kickstart some of the natural processes. But yeah, that would be kind of my thing around that. And then obviously for Those things at 51, I hope you're on hormone replacement therapy, especially if you're suffering from those things. Cuz that's gonna be very important for some of the arthritis issues and some of those issues to have a hormonal baseline. And I would imagine if you're 51, you probably could stand a benefit from adding some testosterone, potentially estrogen, progesterone as well. Says any general guidelines for stopping and restarting peptides and bioregulators for a surgical procedure? In our group, I actually have a whole entire protocol. We've done calls and there's a slide deck in there for people in the group. But general rule of thumb is probably stop if you're, if you're doing them, stop about a week out from the surgery.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I would say for, if you're using GLPs, I would stop like a, like at least a month out.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I don't think you need to stop a month out, but at least seven days. Yeah. Because what can happen is the gastric emptying can actually slow the metabolization of the anesthesia. Now I think in most cases seven days, you're gonna be fine for it to like kind of clear most of it. But if you're on a higher dose. Yeah, maybe, maybe you need, I think it takes as obviously six day, seven day half life, it's gonna take four half lives to clear it. So a month? Yeah, if you want it completely out of your system. But yeah, I realize, but if it's

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

a elective, like if it's something that has to happen sooner, you don't have that time.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, yeah, that'd be fine.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And if you do have to have a surgery like and you're in a situation where like you are using GLPs and you have to, you just need to let the anesthesiologist know that you are actively using them.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Even if you're taking retrotide, please tell them. That would be the one. I'm not.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Especially if it's like an emergencies case where you have to get seen. Like.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Like if something were to happen. Yeah. Just tell them very soon.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You need to tell them.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. It can't affect the metabolization of the anesthesia for sure. But yeah. And then afterwards, like I said, three to seven days is fine with that. To. To restart it up, especially for the healing.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Ooh, good question. Could you briefly explain your last email about testosterone and empathy? I read through it, but still can't quite grasp the concept. Well, is this just a set? This is like a layup question for me to. I love getting asked questions like this because one is like, hey, someone did read my email. I know people read my emails. Someone didn't read the email or ever read the emails. But it is. I think it's to that point before I answer the question. It is funny once you become like, you're. I know you appreciate what I do, obviously, but you don't keep up with what I do because it's just like, that's. It would be like if I was a lawyer or something. You'd be like, oh, yeah, you're just doing your work or whatever. And that's what it kind of is to you. Like, oh, yeah, you just don't.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Well, I think it's also too, like, we have, like, a lot of conversations, like, so it's like, a part of it. Like, I know a lot of your emails and a lot of your things are, like, obviously also inspired by, like, conversations that we have. So there's also.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Well, I'll explain it for everyone that didn't read the email, including my wife. But I know there's a lot of people that probably haven't read the email. And I'm not. Please don't take this as, like, I'm so sanctimonious that you should be reading my emails because everyone has life going on. Emails are there for anyone who wants to read them. But there was a study. It was actually probably about a year old. I just came across it when I was reading yesterday. And basically what they looked at is they applied testosterone gel in men in their young 20s and they asked them. They applied the testosterone gel, then they had them look at these photos. Half of the photos, I think there were people that were all, like, having fun together. Half of the. Or a third of the photos, they were having fun together. A third of the photos, there were some people having fun, and there was someone that was, like, being left out of the fun. And then a third of the photos were just a guy reading a book. So very, like a neutral photo. Basically, the thought was like, okay, here's a group of people having fun. Here's a group of people having fun, but excluding someone, like, basically, like, picking on them, bullying, like, keeping them out of the fun. And then it's just a picture. Like they're. They're. What they wanted to measure was subjective and objective responses from the brain.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Brain.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then the last one was just a neutral photo. So that was kind of like the control set. And they did. They tested how the boys responded to, or the men responded to the photo with and without testosterone. So they didn't have, like, one group with testosterone, one group without. It was like, each guy did it with testosterone, and they did it again the next day or something without the testosterone. And what they found is, is that subjectively they. They asked, like, how that photo made them feel. And then when they reported how they made them feel, they actually reported no difference from using the testosterone versus not. So, like, that's a guy of a photo reading a book. I respond the same. That's a guy. Or that's a photo of a guy getting left out of fun. I respond the same. But they also did an eeg, which is basically like measuring brain activity from them. And what they found is that when they had the testosterone, their brain actually picked up on the signal before they saw the photo, which means that they became more. What's called interoceptive, more aware of their internal environment, which actually allowed them to have more empathy to understand, oh, that person's being left out. That's sad. In a nutshell, what that means is that acutely applying testosterone in this case allowed the boys, in this case were young men to be more aware of their own internal emotional environment, which then actually allowed them to pick up more of their external environment and have more empathy to the people that were getting left out in the photo. Which is fascinating if you think about it, because this is what I have argued in my book, you know, which is a couple years old now, and in my own life, and what I've witnessed, just in the life of people that I've helped with hormone therapy, is that testosterone, literally. Well, I'll. I'll take this further than the study goes. Cause obviously, they're scientists. Testosterone allows you to be more empathetic. It actually changes your Consciousness because when you optimize testosterone levels, you're more aware of your internal emotional state, which then allows you to pick up on the external emotional state of others. Much more empathetic. People probably already know this. Some people are higher empathy than not, meaning that like people that are empathetic actually usually have more awareness of their own emotions than people that are not empathetic. And in this case raising testosterone levels, it allowed them to pick up on threats more in the environment, but it also allowed them to pick up on social cues more in the environment. Basically what it's saying is that like testosterone, there is something to it that is increasing your non localized awareness of what is going on internally and externally. And I bet, I would be willing to bet you that the women that the reason women have a sixth sense in a lot of cases is because they have more estradiol receptors in their brain. That is also allowing them to be, for lack of a better way to say it, more psychic or intuitive because they have, if it's optimized, because a lot of women are not optimized. But if they are optimized, the extra estradiol receptors in the brain allow them to be more psychic. But we know now too that testosterone is also doing the same thing. What that all means is that optimizing your hormones will dictate and again, everyone's going to be different because they all have different life experiences. Optimize your hormones will let will end up dictating your level of consciousness and how you interact with the other people around you. Now if someone's an a hole, does taking testosterone make them better? Maybe, but maybe it makes them more of an a hole, you know, because that's what they're going to choose to be. But for people that are like choosing to do the right thing, I know for me personally I am better at understanding and like reading the room when I'm on testosterone. And what I would argue is that like all we're doing is replacing the hormone that nature, God, whatever gave us to have to be able to experience the full depth of human emotions. And when we don't have that, that's one of the first things that goes away. And it's kind of like our birthright that has been stolen in this, you know, dehormonization of the world where hormones have been stripped out of people through lifestyle, toxins, things of that nature. And it's pretty interesting to see that from a scientist perspective. So hopefully that makes a little bit more sense because I know it's like a Tough concept. And it's even tougher if you think about it, like, to put it in writing, to try to try to convey. I did my best with the email, but I understand how it could be, like, a difficult concept to grasp. But it's also one of those things if, as the kids say, if you know, you know. And you don't really know it until you experience it, and then you're like, oh, that's what it was like to not have as much of that emotional understanding from others. But, yeah, I don't know. Does that make sense?

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[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It kind of reminds me of a study that they did when they took a woman and they studied her neural pathways, when they would show her a picture of her children and her husband and the emotional reaction. And that happened, like, with her brain. And then they showed her a picture of her of her dog, and she actually had the same emotions come up. So you can love.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You're saying she liked her dog more than her husband?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No, they're saying that you can love your dog as much as your children.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Well, I could say. I think it's. If you're measuring.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I'm just saying that's what it kind of.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It measures the. Like, I think the love pathway in

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

the brain, whatever measure. The love pathway of the brain.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Is getting activated in the same way that it would be for your dog, as you're. Interestingly, if there was a way to measure protection, they would probably be much more protective over their kids than their dog.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Maybe, Maybe, maybe.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I would hope so. We'll see.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

We'll see.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I would hope a person would be more protective of their kids than their dog. Not that they wouldn't be protective of their dog. I would hope they would want to be more protective of their kids than their dog. Caroline says I'm recovering from a sub arachnoid hemorrhage caused by RCVs and have had two GI bleeds since 2022. Currently taking BPC orally. Any suggestions for vascular health? BPC is good. I think if you want to inject it too, it's going to help. TB500 would be good, I think KPV, just for the inflammation, that can always improve things. I don't know that you would need GHK in this specific case for that, but a thing that people forget is Vessigen is a injectable bioregulator. You do like half a milligram to two milligrams a day. You know, kind of see what works best for you. That would definitely help. Just if There is any sort of vascular issues help with that.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then also too, I think for vascular health for men and women. Women. Caroline's probably a woman calis. So Tadalafil, two and a half milligrams a day I think is very healthy for women and women can absolutely do. It's not just a male medication. All right.

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[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Julie says good morning. Any thoughts on ATX and or at a po Tide. Atx, love. Thumbs up. I think if you do, most people probably need like 5-700mg per day. I mean you could start.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Expensive.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, it gets expensive. I think the most recent human trials were at 400 milligrams a day in 30 days or 60 days. Going off of memory here.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Cuz I read a lot of 8% increase in metabolic rate just from the ATX, which is pretty cool. Yeah, Think about that. That's. You burn 2,000 calories a day. That's essentially increasing your caloric expenditure by 200 calories per day. No change in resting heart rate, improvement in triglycerides, no raise in liver enzymes, which sometimes you can't say for the GLPs. Nope, not with the liver enzymes, but with the. The.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You can't do this say that with Sloop either.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I love ATX out of Hotide. I've never used it and I don't plan on using it because when they did trials of it, and I can't remember if this was in humans or monkeys, it was killing some of the kidney cells and we don't want that. Basically adipotide is supposed to be a peptide that basically goes to destroy fat cells, which in theory sounds cool, but there were some complications that came out of it. And so I think relative to the benefit you would derive from it versus the other tools that we have. And this is where I go back to, like, just again, we don't know what we don't know, but I'm just extrapolating off mechanisms. I don't need that mechanism in my body when I know I have other things that are going to do as good a job or better without the potential consequence. Even if there's not, it's just like, why would I use it? If you have a GLP and you've got atx, you've got Jardiance, you've got hormone optimization, you got hgh, you got all these things that we know are very safe. Debbie says, what do you recommend for CLO injections? Weekly dose and how long on and off. I did two vials in April, May, and want to start another round this month. I mean, it's very simple. I've got the dosing on the peptide cheat sheet, so I don't need to go super into the dosing. It's typically 2 and a half milligrams of GHK and 500 micrograms of all the other ones in there. And you could do that Monday through Friday. Eight weeks on, eight weeks off. It. It depends on what you're using it for. Like, if you're just doing it because you think it's cool to do and it is cool to do, eight weeks on, eight weeks off is fine. If you're using it for something, I would use it until whatever issue is healed.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then just kind of assess where you need it from for there. But yeah, I mean, it just depends on what you're using it for. I would say that's more relative to the duration than just saying there's some arbitrary number. Kimberly says any new info or personal experience with mitochondic acid 5, it looks amazing on paper. I don't have a way to get it yet. Hopefully there is more people making it soon. But it appears, if I want to tease everyone, it appears if you look at the human trials on mitochondic acid 5 Ma5 is probably what it's going to be end up called. I think it was in Japan and it appears to be doing basically what SS31 is doing in an oral capsule, which would be pretty cool. Slightly different, but like very similar to what it's doing mechanistically and talk to somebody about the maybe I was talking to someone that was working on trying to source it and.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Okay, so that's probably what I'm thinking

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

of a dinner Table conversation with Taylor. But Yeah. So this MA5 appears to be like an oral version of SS31, which I think would be amazing. Obviously SS31 is like my second favorite peptide outside of retta or ters. I kind of keep those interchangeable because I know red is like not the best for some people. But if we could get something that was like an oral version of SS31, the amount of healing that. And assuming it did the same thing, the amount of healing would be pretty incredible. You're not even healing if you need to be healing. But just the like, SS31 is like, oh my goodness. Like it's. I'm not on a cycle of it right now, but it's like every time I'm on SS31, I'm. I'm convincing myself that I can just be on it all the time. Yeah, I think there's very little downside to being on it all the time, especially with you. Look at human. Human trials of extended use periods for multiple years. But yeah, mitochondic acid seems pretty cool at least to be one of those things. You're probably going to see more of the research world bringing out. Hopefully I can help spotlight that to where people have more access to it and we'll see. I. I haven't tried it yet, so I, I don't want to hype it up before it's, you know, maybe it does nothing. But there is human trials out of Japan. The company that I think developing is from is from Japan and it, it looks really good. And the human trials seems to have a very favorable safety and tolerability profile there. What helps regulate hormones for women in perimenopause or menopause?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Hormone replacement theory.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Testosterone.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Testosterone is what's going to help you the most.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. A lot of times there will people that will probably sell you a bit of bill of goods that you can use some peptides instead of hormone replacement therapy.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I love peptides, but that's trying to get a trend right now.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Somebody had sent me something like that. It was like, oh, you can just take IPA and CJC instead of testosterone. I was like, well, you could.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's just not gonna do the same.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Not gonna really do anything. But yeah. Perry. Menopause or menopause. It just is a shame because, like, I can sit here to you today and tell you that's the best thing. I don't have it to sell to you. Obviously I'm working on projects to like make people have better access to that in the future by connecting People with doctors. And so that's things I'm, I'm working on because it's my life's work. But like, you know, a lot of people can sell you IP and cjc and way fewer people can sell you, yeah, test and gh. And that's what ultimately like if people had access to test and gh, test and gh, like it's going to be the best thing. And for a woman in Perry or postmenopause, I have hs. What do you recommend? I don't know if they meant Ms. Because I wouldn't know what HS is. But if it is, just put what it stands for and I can help or do my best to help, maybe I won't be able to. 44 year old female, 13 and a half percent body fat. Body mass 118 fat free mass 102 safe to start. Tessa Morellin for muscle growth. Run five times a week. Lifts six times a week. Looking to build mass for longevity, fighting mass loss. Yeah, I definitely think it'll be better than not having it sounds like, I mean if you're, if you're that age, that body fat, you know what you're doing for the most part. And so having Tessa Marlin as a support agent, definitely good there. I will say this. At your body fat, you might notice that Tessa Morellin is like if you were 30 body fat and not 13 body fat, you would notice this. But at 13 body fat, I'll let you go ahead and tell them.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Oh, you're gonna, you're gonna have water retention. You're gonna notice water retention with it. I mean my s. I mean also me looking at this, Hunter might disagree with me, is running five times a week, lifting six days a week might be putting your body into a little bit of a stress point to where you could get some muscle deterioration happening. And if you're not eating enough carbs, like, I, I don't know, maybe you are eating enough carbs. But it would also like maybe adjust that training a little bit just because running can also put a little bit of damage on the muscle and break down that muscle fiber. So like, I think maybe changing that a little bit would help too. On top of using the test Morellin and upping up in carbohydrates are gonna help.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, yeah. I would just say for, is that body fat first?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

That's a low body fat percentage for a woman. Like.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. And it's, it's definitely safe to do. I'm not telling you do it. I'd probably start like the 500 micrograms for a woman. It's like 1 milligram for a woman can be enough to cause a lot of water retention. You could also try something like MK777, IPRA and or IPPA CJC. I would start with IPA first. Like if I was in this situation, I hadn't done any other peptides. I would start with IPPA first and see how I respond. What I would actually be interested talking about the running because I'm an athlete. Like I've been an athlete my life. Like I get wanting to have more activity than less activity. Like I'm usually like pulling myself back from activity. Cause I know it can be just stressful. I would be interested to see if you took endurance athletes. So like one of the problems with endurance athletes is you build up so much reactive oxygen species. Like you build up so much oxidative stress. If you just gassed 5 milligrams a day of SS31 in endurance athletes, like how much that would change their. I think that could be.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

That could actually. Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Talk about like all the performance enhancing drugs. Like that could be one of the best things that would be like steroids for an endurance athlete because it would basically neutralize like SS31 prevents you from throwing off so much reactive oxygen species. And so I think like people that do that would probably recover so much faster and have so much less stress on their body if they were running like a higher dose of SS31. Just speculation on my part, but I think for someone that like six times a week, lifting and running five times a week, that's gonna be a lot of stress on the body. I mean. Yeah, I'm not telling you not to do it. Like I, Yeah, I love exercising too, but I'm just telling you like that's what you would probably even benefit more from having that in addition.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So she just put into the chat that she's also on 5 milligrams of SS31.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Oh really?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

My miles from 7, 715 to something else. 2 6.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Oh wow. Dropped to like a 45 seconds off her mile too.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

That's funny. That was that. Talk about like a mind meld.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

She said you're correct. And also m also on.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, I would probably run both. Like for an endurance athlete, you could put the SS31, the MOTSI together.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

In the same day. Maybe they'll not see in the morning at 6:30, one at night or both in the morning. But yeah, so that's, that's my thoughts on it and then two. I think at 44. Like I said earlier, you're gonna find your way to HGH at some point and ultimately like that's a long term solution. I'm not saying not to do the testament or.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No, I would. If it were me, I would start with IPPA MK777 and then Tessa. That would be my tier of what I would.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Work on.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

If sequentially not all at the same time.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, not all the same time. And if growth hormone wasn't an option and then I would just maybe. I mean I again I don't know what your macro breakdown is but like maybe you just add a little bit more carbs in on those lifting days just to help after training. Like even if it's just like a Vitargo powder to just be able to help fuel and add a little bit of source to those muscles.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Vitarga. Cuz we didn't have it for a while and then I've been taking it the last couple weeks. I forget like how good that makes your performance.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I can just. You're so much better when you have a Targo.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's also too like when. When we're doing a bulk. Like it's also like so easy to get extra. Have it like in your water while you're training.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Oh yeah. Like have it intro workout.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. When you're. If you're leaning out like yeah you wouldn't use it but if you're trying to bulk and put some muscle mass on, putting that in your water is.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It's also great.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So great. And you perform so much better.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Well like because I've been training in the evenings as of late and like I'll eat breakfast and then lunch and then like if I'm training like five, I don't want to eat again. But the Vitargo it gives me calories. Like if I do protein powder and Vitargo it's like having calories.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

With feeling like. But it feels like I have an empty stomach and I hate training like on where I feel like I'm full. And the VGO lets you train like it. It's calories without feeling full. And that's like the best feeling. Cuz it's like I don't feel like I have food in my stomach.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Remember when I used to make the Vitargo bars?

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

They're so good. Yeah. You just like put em in the fridge, make it solid. Yeah. But yeah that would be a good food product idea. Targo bars.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

If you could do it with no fat. Just because Fat's good, but just because like I like to have low fat around the workouts cuz it slows digestion, it can kind of jam up your stomach a little bit. David, what is up brother? He says want to transition from 4 to 6 milligrams of Rett per week over to TS to shake things up. What protocol would you recommend? Well, there's infinite amounts of thing that you could do to transition. What I would personally do is just titrate. Like this would be the easy thing. Take the next four weeks, go down like 1 milligram per week on the retta. So just go from like if you're doing four, just go from four to three to two to one and then go over to like 2 milligrams of ters. You could obviously also two and then from there build up the ters. You could obviously just int introduce like 1 milligram of terzaptide in addition to your retta and then just like bring down the retta and then get to like where you don't have the retta and then titrate up the ters is needed. So it's up to you. I would probably just over the course of like four weeks, bring down the retta and then when you go over to ters, this is like a nice starting dose and then you can titrate up from there. But again, the one thing I would not do, you can kind of do it any way you want to. The one thing I would not do is just throw in 4 milligrams of tertia appetite, like stop the reta and then do 4mg diet probably gonna feel not the best because the appetite suppression is a lot different, even milligram for milligram. And so I would not do that. I mean, I'm sure people have done that, but I would just not just switch one for one in either direction. Like I wouldn't do the same thing if I was going from 4 milligrams of ters to 4 milligrams of retta. But I also wouldn't go from 4 milligrams retta to 4 milligrams of ters. Probably be less stressful to do that, the latter, but I would still just. I like to titrate down.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then switch over at the low dose and then go back up as needed.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Kind of like a reverse pyramid style.

[Colleen Ramser (Trauma Therapist)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Whether that's right or not, I don't know. But it has been what I have done in practice and it seems to work the Best. What's up, Johnny? He says, what have you guys heard about MVD1, aka sauna? Heard great things about it. I just don't have it. And so it's one of those things. Here's one thing that I will always do my best not to get to you guys is blue ball you. Basically, sauna is a creatine thermogenesis fat loss agent. So on paper it seems pretty cool because it's like, hey, we're gonna get all this fat burning without any sort of like extra reactive oxygen species buildup or muscle loss or anything like that. So on paper it looks really, really good. I am excited to try it. I don't know where to get it and even if I did, I wouldn't say publicly on the live stream. But yeah, it seems. Seems pretty cool. But I'm not gonna, not gonna blue ball people and either hype stuff up that they can't get or just tell you guys stuff that I don't have experience with and I don't. Unfortunately. I do my best to stay cutting edge, but it's also one of those things too. Like if I don't. I'm not saying that, that I know.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Well, a lot of it is also like us speaking from experience of using.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. And it's just not very widely accessible yet to my knowledge. But if I, if I can get my hands on it, I will definitely do my best to get it out there if it works. CLO plus KPV orally has helped me immensely with multiple things. Knocked out insulin resistance so I can lose weight, help with degenerative disc disease pain, and for generative healing after hernia surgery. Awesome. Yes. Those are excellent combo. I always love combining the injectable with the oral kpv. What's up, Zionic? Good to see you here, Taylor. Did you buy the protein cheese balls I sent you a link for?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I have not bought them yet, but I'm going to.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Can you get them in the store? You have to order them.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You have to order them. You have to order them.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's because like, like when we had that talk last week, like we went to the movies and I did get like my cheeseball fix and now I'm like, I'm not craving it this week. So you get to give a preview of like my cravings throughout the week with Hunter.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

They drive Hunter nuts, I'd say they drive me nuts. I just get kind of confused sometimes. You just said you wanted this, but now you want something completely different and then you like will switch like mid eating where you're like, oh, I wanted this so bad and then you eat half of you. I don't want this anymore.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, just wait till I actually am pregnant. Yeah, maybe I'll be normal.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Maybe I'll just be bland. I've been injecting KPV for four weeks on kpv. Only right now I noticed, um, did my old injuries, aches and pains reappear for two to three days and then go away on kpv? This is how KPV works. Yeah. What that would tell me specifically for you is that a lot of those injuries are driven by inflammation itself. And kpv, what it's doing is bringing down the inflammation and that's where it could be potentially beneficial to throw in like a BPC or TB500 because the KPV is bringing down the inflammation, but then the inflammation's returning and so you might need more healing via the angiogenesis and the nutrient delivery and the, the nitric oxide synthase that the PPC and the TB500 would bring in. And so I love KP. I, I like KPV better than BPC and TB500 because of the anti inflammatory benefits. But this is where I would think it would be beneficial if you keep like having the injuries reappear or sometimes

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

there's just, I think TB5. I don't know, I think TB500 is so my favorite. It just, I got the most pain relief and healing with it.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It just is it, it's more of like what is driving it.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I know.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And that's where it's like TB500 can really help with stem cell migration.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

See it's going to help with you know like getting blood flow to it and everything. And so that's why they all work good together. But then it's also too like if something's inflammation driven, all the angiogenesis in the world isn't going to matter if you're not getting the, the inflammation down. And so it just kind of depends. But yeah, that would be my recommendation. But yes, that is how KPV works. I have pcos, endometriosis and perimenopause with degenerative diseases and insulin resistance. Definitely that would be testosterone plus a glp. Could be miracle progesterone and potentially even something like metformin or Jardiance or Farca. I purchased 30ml of Hospira backwater but only using about a third of it over a 30 day period. Do I to discard after 30 days. Store the multi use files in a cool, dark place. Well, I'll give you my opinion, and I say this like I don't know that anyone's ever studied this. Your backwater is still fine after 30 days. The companies that sell it to you would love for you to not think that that's the case. But I have used backwater that is six to nine months old and it was perfectly fine. You don't need to refrigerate it. In my experience, you can leave it outside. The good thing is it has alcohol, which is a preservative, thus that you usually find. Now I will grant that if you puncture the vial way too many times, like if you had a vial and you're just like stabbing it, like over and over and over and over and over again, yes, that could eventually become a sterility issue if it's just like constant, like dirty needles going into the vial or whatever. So I see that side of things. But in terms of the backwater itself, just because you have now removed the seal from it, it's not good after 30 days. No. And so if you use a third of it over 30 days, that means you're going to use the whole thing over 90 days. And you would should be perfectly fine there. And whether you know that's chemically right or not, I'm not telling you. I ran HPLC, Ms. on backwater. But it is my personal experience.

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[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Just going down. Find the next question. Here's a good question. Have you come across any conclusive research that would suggest you can't combine peptides in a syringe before injecting? Someone says that, for example, that you should never do this. I. You gotta listen. You can listen to whoever you want to Listen to. Okay, like that's totally fine. Like I'm not speaking directly against anyone because that's not what I'm interested in doing. I'm not interested in debating people. There are certain peptides that you definitely can mix in a syringe. Yes, there are certain peptides you probably should never mix in a syringe. I would never put a GLP with a growth hormone peptide. Don't ever do that. That doesn't seem to work. A good rule of thumb, and I'm not saying this is always accurate, a good rule of thumb is if you put it in the same syringe and all of a sudden it gets cloudy, it probably has denatured.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yes.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But you know, you listen to whoever you want to do.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Most peptides, like if they are in the same class, meaning they're like chemically similar and they're doing something like similar pathways, they're probably fine to put in the same syringe. But again that's like asking. There's like when you have 50 peptides and you talk about combining the same syringe, I think there's like almost infinite number of combinations that you could have. Like the number of combinations you could have just from the fact of having 50 different peptides is like a number that would go to the moon.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And so I can't sit here and tell you which ones cuz I would obviously like you can't just sit and talk about every peptide combination ever. But a good, good rule of thumb, like do I combine a lot of peptides in the same syringe? Not really. Really. Unless it's like bpc. Like I pulled a muscle in my neck yesterday and I had Taylor Inject Cardilax and TB500 in the same syringe. That works because I do it all the time. If I. Not all the time, but like if I ever pull a muscle or something. Yeah, I know those are okay. Yeah, I keep them in separate vials. But if you have them synthesized in the same vial, there's stability shuties to show that they're fine on third party testing. Yeah, but yeah, it's not like, like I'm not going to put LL37, LL37 SS31, ipamorelin and Brett true Tight in the same syringe. No, I'm not gonna do that.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But I'm also like if you like BPC and TB 500. Yeah, they're fine to mix in the same syringe, you know and so that's where I think all of us can get into trouble is like when we start saying like, like I could go out and probably get more views on stuff if I was dogmatic about what I talked about. Like if I was like this is the only way because then it would create engagement in the comments and then it would go and then people would start to fight over it and people get scared and whatever. And that's just not how I want to roll. So that's my thoughts is that it's a nuanced conversation rather than black and white. TB is taken every other day. It can be, but you can also do it every day too. It tends like people say like, oh, you can do TB500, like 2mg twice a week or whatever. That's fine too. It's just kind of however you want to do it. But there's nothing wrong with taking every day. This is funny. If you are living the south, if you go walking, you try to outrun the biting flies and that's. Then you really get good cardio. Yes. It's that time of the year in the south where it just like flies and gnats and mosquitoes.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Mosquitoes are so bad, right?

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So maybe a dumb question, but increasing the dose of a GLP one, specifically TR zeptide, is it basically just more of the med to decrease even more appetite or is there more to it? Um, yeah, I mean that it's more chemical pressure which is going to cause more of that. Yeah. So that is not a dumb question. And I mean in a simple way to say it. Yeah, that's true. Like it's you know, like if you. That's what? Like some peptides are more modulators. So like if you took 10 milligrams of thy alpha one, it's not gonna like change your immune system more than 1 milligram would. If you take 10 milligrams of triseptide, that's a lot more than 1 milligram which is Aptide. So there's more chemical pressure based on the nature of how that peptide interacts in the body. Taylor, where did you get your rebounder?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's from Jump Sport.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Jump Sport? Is that on Amazon or website?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I got it directly from their website cuz I think they had some on Amazon but not, not all of them on Amazon. And I think they were cheaper on the website than Amazon.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, here's a good question. I have a prescribe for 1mg a day of test cream. I don't notice anything. Well duh. My husband. No, I'm not saying duh as in I'm saying like that. I don't know why anyone would make a 1mg test scream. Because it's not going to do anything. I'm not saying. I'm not. Please don't take that as me insulting the question because it's a good question. My Tasman, my husband has test sipping eight prescription. He doesn't use the whole vial. Is it too risky to inject my dose of 1 milligram from his surplus? Oh, do you want to take this one?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So you wouldn't necessarily want to take the 1 milligram from his. But what you can do is for women, they do better with an 20mg per ML injection of testosterone list. So let's just say hypothetically, the vial of your husband's Testosterone sipionate is 250. 250 milligrams is in that vial.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

No.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

250 milligrams per milliliter.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, per milliliter.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And if it's prescribed, it's probably 200 instead of 250.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So you wouldn't necessarily want to just take his testosterone. You would want to dilute it down to 20 milligrams per milliliter, which I have a whole video on this on my YouTube channel of showing that and breaking that down. So no, you wouldn't want to just take the, the, the one milligram from his vial and you. It wouldn't be. The amount would be so small. You wouldn't be able to really get anything from that injection.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It would be like. I'm trying to think of a good way to.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It'd be like trying to take like one unit.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, it would be like trying to.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

We're frozen. But I don't.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

We got frozen.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I don't. It look, it's frozen on my screen. Now we're kind of back on my screen.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It might have just been. Might have been yours. Yeah, because I've got the main, the main one going on my computer and then Taylor's like in the background so she can see everything. Yeah, it's like imagine if you tried to mix a whole scoop of pre workout with one ounce of water. Yeah, it gets very like. It's hard to like down that versus mix with 8 ounce of water. It goes down smooth. And that's the difference in like a man versus a woman's testosterone. That's why I recommend it getting compounded like 20 milligrams per milliliter. Or if you can dilute it down with whatever oil it's in. You just buy that carrier oil off of a medical supply website and then you dilute it down there. But yeah, that would be my recommendation. Just because the injections seem to do so much better than the creams. And also too, it's. It's like the irony of the creams is those get prescribed more for women, but cream, no matter the dose, is going to increase DHT more, which is not what a woman wants. Less masculinization.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yes.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Which the cream has more of. And so, yeah, the, the easy answer is to inject like 1 to 2 milligrams 2 to 3 times per week to start out for a woman. But to do that you've gotta get it diluted down to a concentration that you could actually deliver it properly in the right volume of solution.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And that's where a lot of people mess up because again, to get 1 milligram out of a 200 milligram per milliliter is like nearly impossible physically based on the volume concentration.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But great question and I apologize if it came across that was insulting. I was saying to the doctor that's doing this, duh. Because like 1mg of test cream is not going to do anything for any. Like, it's, it's just the way that that would absorb. Basically when you have creams, you need a higher concentration of the testosterone, the cream. Because only a certain amount, usually around 10% is actually like getting absorbed in the bloodstream.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So like even like 1 milligram is still so little for a cream cream.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So for instance, like a man is a. They typically compounded at 200 milligrams per gram of cream. So he's doing 200 milligrams of testosterone cream per day? Usually.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But he's only getting about 10% of that on average absorbed.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yep.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So it'd be like around 20 milligrams. So if you think about like a woman getting one milligram per gram that she's applying per day, it's really like.01 milligrams that she's getting, which is not going to do anything at all in most cases. So speaking of testosterone, can I use Peptin even though I've had a hysterectomy? You could. Although I think it would not do anything at all.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No, it's not gonna help us like, as far as like what, hormone replacement therapy.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Practically speaking, what you may notice is a slight like kiss. Peptin does seem to work on like independent these arousal pathways in the brain. Do you get like a slight increase in like sexual arousal from a mental perspective, but from a practical, God given hormone perspective, it's not really going to do anything there. And for that matter, even if you didn't have a hysterectomy, I don't think it's going to do that much anyway because it's basically like an LH and FSH pulse that is then like having a short cascade. But it's not going to be like the therapeutic range that testosterone would do. Oh, that's funny. Nutrify is an amazing vitamin this doctor sells in this clinic. So very cool there. If your doctor won't prescribe metformin, is there somewhere else we can get it and is that okay to stack with receptide? Well, yes, you can definitely stack Apple. Yeah, yeah, there's lots of online pharmacies I probably could say because like Ageless Rx, you can go on Ageless Rx. You fill out a form, do a 5 minute zoom call and they'll ship you some metformin. So yeah, super easy to get. And it's definitely like in some states I think you can just go get it from the counter at like the pharmacy there. I've heard, I don't know, Florida, Florida, they give away metformin at Publix.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I don't know how true that is, but.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Feeding into the TESSA IPA conversation. Cause you stagger test in the morning and IPPA for red. Yeah, for sure. Like you would definitely, definitely do that.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Um, it's kind of up to you. I just tell everyone to experiment and see what. Cause you could do like half the dose in the morning, half dose at night of both. Or you could do them, you know, one in the morning, one at night. Do you know of a peptide that raises HDL cholesterol? Also taking encomine, testosterone at a thousand estradiol or testosterone's at a thousand estradiol. 69 is that high? No, this is so like, this is like one of the things I will bang the table on a 69. Estradiol, first of all is relative. Like if your testosterone was 200, well, I would be like, yeah, that's a high estradiol for a total 2, 2 testosterone of 200 for a thousand. That is perfectly healthy. What your body's. If you're taking clomiphene, you're creating this like endogenous increase of testosterone and your body is going to convert some of that testosterone into estradiol. And typically if you're a healthy body weight, that Is like necessary to be protective of your heart and your brain. And so no, a 69 estradiol is not too high just because the reference range says 35 or 40 is the cutoff. That's also telling you that your testosterone be too high. So you want estradiol to confer to a protective level relative to your, your testosterone. And 69 to me is perfectly healthy. Like that's going to be healthy sex drive, healthy vascular protection, healthy brain protection, healthy heart protection also too is going to be helpful to your HDL cholesterol. So if you suppress estradiol you're going to have worsening of your lipids to the point about HDL cholesterol. And a peptide red atrutide probably does tereptide probably does indirectly. I think the supplement that you could take is citrus bergamot. And then I have seen SGLT2 inhibitors like a Jardiance or Farsiga improve HDL cholesterol as well. But if you wanted to do it, you could do citrus bergamot 500 milligrams to a thousand milligrams a day. And Taylor's favorite is a shot of olive oil with some lemon and salt. And that should also raise it as well. Ooh, good question. Shawnee says there are any peptides or compounds that could theoretically enhance or complement the beneficial effects effects of saa. I mean, who knows. I just think mechanistically, obviously glutathione, very good for detoxing, dropping the liver and then the sauna is detoxing. Yeah, for sure. So I think glutathione would be the, the biggest one. And then also too I've, I would think anything that's working on like blood flow or blood vessel health, so something like a calis or even BPC and TB500 too to help with endothelial health could be very beneficial. And so I think those could be helpful also. Just be careful with blood pressure cuz sauna can lower blood pressure like being in the sauna and the heat can lower blood pressure. And then also if you're combining that with like blood pressure lowering medication, you don't want it to drop too low. Cuz I've been there and know what that feels like. Especially like you get out of the sauna kind of. So we used to go to this place called Hot Works which is basically like gyms. It's like they have like, it's like in a strip mall and they have a location and then there's like 16 saunas in the location. But they have Exercise equipment in the saunas. And so we would go because it used to be at our old house, like really close to us. And now we have a sauna or our house that we live at now in our garage, but we didn't have a sauna. And so we would go and you could do like the exercise bike or the rower or the assault bike in the sauna, which is like. It's actually pretty cool, but it also, like, it will tap, like, it'll gas you. And I probably had taken calis or something that day. Was just like very insulin sensitive and like normal blood pressure. And then I did. I probably pushed it way too hard. Cause I think I went like 50 minutes on the exercise bike, like almost an hour in the sauna. And it was. It's an infrared sauna, so it's like 140, 145 degrees or whatever. But I remember driving home and I didn't think I was gonna make it. Like, I was like, I gotta pull off to the side of the road. And I. I ended up being fine, but I was just. I was dehydrated. I was probably fasted. It was not the best thing. And it just dropped my blood pressure so low that I kind of got like woozy and like. And I was obviously very dehydrated. Point being is just be careful because you can enhance those things with the sauna. Probably don't drive after it. Make sure you're very hydrated and do it because in a lot of cases the blood pressure will go too.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You sweat a lot too. Like when you do sweat, like, you do sweat. I feel like more than. Yeah, more than most people.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I'm also bigger than most people too. I've just always sweat a lot my whole life.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You know, whether or not. Is there an issue with me, I don't, I don't. I don't have like hypohidrosis or anything because people have that. They're like, can't. My hands don't sweat. Like, people can get like really sweaty palms and stuff, but my body is just very effective at sweating, if that makes sense.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Like when I was talking about this with one of your brothers.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

They sweat a lot too. Probably not as much as.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Not as much as you.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I don't know.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I just always have. Like, I've just always been more. But I love sweating. Like, I just love. Once I. Once I commit. What I hate is like not wanting to sweat. Like when we walk the dogs after dinner and in the summertime, it's 95 degrees at 7 or 8pm and I already have taken a shower, and then I just start sweating again. So I get like, two showers and, like, 60 minutes. I don't like that. But if I commit, like, oh, I know. Like, I'm about to work out. I. What? I don't. Like, one of the annoying things is, like, to work out and then to not sweat. So, like, if you're in a cold room working out and it's like, harder to sweat. Like, I hate that. I'd actually rather work out in, like, a hot, hot room, you know?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. I don't.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Maybe not a sauna all the time.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No, I don't like working. I don't like working out in a cold room.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So, like, did you notice the other day it got, like, really warm up here because I turned the air up because you had it, like, on like, 70.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Well, that's things like when I came

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

up here to work out and then I turned it up to, like.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I agree. Yeah, well, dude, please do that, because I would rather be warm when I'm working out. But it's like, we're on my gyms. I on the same floor. My office on the second floor. And so it's like. But I don't want it to be like, 72 or 73 when I'm working, because then I'll just start. I won't sweat. But I'm like, it's kind of uncomfortably hot if I'm working.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You're gonna sweat real quick.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. But if it's like 68 or 69, it'll be more comfortable for me to work in that than it is anyway. Too much of a tangent. Julie says, appreciate both of your sharing your personal expertise, knowledge and perspective. Thank you. Well, thank you. We wouldn't be here without you guys.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Thank you.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Funny, Sean, I thought about mentioning this today. So I have been testing out slupp 9:15 the last two weeks. I've been taking 250 micrograms Monday through Friday. I do like it. I don't. I would say it's stronger than Sloop 32 or SLU332 definitely is stronger, but it hasn't gotten to the point of being, like, too strong. That burnout feeling to the burnout feeling. Yeah, but it.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

It.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

There is some. There is some there. There. Like, I have been trying it, and it definitely is, like, stronger. Definitely is, like, I think, going to be, like, a. A great thing. So I don't. I just want to speak conclusively on it yet, and I haven't heard enough people using it and it's still not out there yet. But I will say stronger and potentially better. And so far not like the burnout, but also too. A lot of times the Sloop burnout doesn't happen for four weeks or so.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So we'll, we'll see what happens. But so far so good. I mean, I, I don't notice anything. It's like my resting heart rate is completely normal. Like I haven't seen anything to indicate. And I don't feel like the, the, you know, RLS buildup or fatigue. So inconclusive. But so far seems to be better than 332. For what I will say regarding the empathy studies. Testosterone work the same way in women on hrt. I mean, I can't definitively say, I would imagine it would be similar. I would just say probably dose dependent. Meaning that like, you would want the dose to be equivalent, like you would want the therapeutic dose for one, you would want the same dose for a woman. Because that would probably not play out the same way from a brain perspective.

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[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I think we're, I think it like, I think it helps you have a little bit more in control of your emotions. You're still empathetic, but I think it helps more. So just like with the emotional, like negative thought patterns, but you're still empathetic towards, towards others.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I think it's like you don't have like a lot of women, like, you know, women will come back and say to me after they start their protocol with testosterone and progesterone, it's like, oh my goodness, like, I'm no longer feeling depressed and I don't cry for no reason or cry so easily. But Then I'm also more patient with my children. I'm more patient with my husband. I have more empathy.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Also for people. But I'm not like an emotional. Like I'm not depressed.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Anymore is what the feedback that I've seen with women.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I think the important point too is they're not like aggressive. That's the whole thing is like there's a stigma of testosterone. Like you're aggressive and toxic. Masculinity.

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[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And everything. And that's like the exact.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I mean it's actually has put me more in a feminine state.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Well, it's kind of like the same thing with estradiol in men is like if your estradiol is too low as a man, you would think like, oh yeah, that's what you want. No, it's actually not what you want because you'll be more manly with healthy estrad levels. And I think it's the same for women. But yeah, I would just say probably the same, but just more. You would want the dose more catered to. What would be healthy for a woman? Best peptide for arthritis and nerve damage from a disc down the leg. Well, for nerve damage, Ara290 can be very beneficial. You might have to go up to like 4mg per day of that. But yeah, AR 290 could be good. Arthritis PPC TB 500 actually LL 37 shows to be beneficial for arthritis in a lot of cases. I would say KPV would be really good too. And so you could go through any of those cardillacs. Could be good. Like all those would be good. Just different people just do better with different things.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I just tell people even like a little tirzepatide too.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Zeppetide. Yeah, absolutely.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's gonna help with the inflammation.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Inflammation for sure. Could you please share Testosterone cream applied to the private. I think this is. I think they left out part of the question. Yeah. Could you please talk about the risk of thinning hair thinning with testosterone cream applied to the privates as a female are used to inject. But worried it was aromatizing too much. I mean, my thoughts.

[Colleen Ramser (Trauma Therapist)]

I mean.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Go ahead, Taylor.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No, I would say because the cream is going to actually cause a DHT spike to be higher. That's actually where you're going to have the higher risk of having the hair thinning come into play. Worried about the aromization too much. I would say that was, you know, making sure the dosing is right, making sure it's being compounded properly. 20 milligrams per milliliter. That is a more newer compound. Like to compound it like that. And then also we need to take into consideration thyroid, thyroid and hair go hand in hand and making sure the thyroid function is good. So making sure we're supporting the thyroid with a desiccated thyroid armor thyroid to make sure the full thyroid is getting covered. Because testosterone is also your thyroid is the powerhouse to the cells. So the testosterone is also going to cause the thyroid to have to, you know, work a little bit harder. So that's why it's also good to have the thyroid place in there as well too. Plus, anytime you're going through a hormonal shift and change, that takes a toll on the thyroid. So whether you've had children in the past or you don't have children, you still have that hormonal shift happening. Whether every seven years, whether you're even not sure where you're at. I think you're menopausal, postmenopausal or premenopausal maybe. I think I saw in the chats. But you know that hormonal shift happens every seven years. That's gonna take a toll on the thyroid as well too. So you wanna make sure the thyroid is being supported properly as well along with testosterone and making sure that the testosterone is in the right delivery method system for you.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. And she also put down lower that she's on 6.5 milligrams worth of test scream nightly. I don't know how people do test cream at night. I know some people do. I've just never.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I mean, I know some people do, but especially they live in the south because of like going outside and sweating because I just asked.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Just had this conversation recently with somebody that they like using it at night. I mean, I just think at night, I mean if it's working for you and it's not affecting your sleep, then that's great.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Another question around test cream for women.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

A lot of test creams for women on the holiday.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Hopefully we can, you know, I don't, I don't want to tell people what they.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

At the end of the day you have to do what delivery met the system.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It sounds like we, for you, we like throw shade on creams. And I'm just telling you that I have seen better results with the injections.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yes. But it's not even just coming from our personal results. It's also like working with people.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And when we get them to make that switch, like we see that huge shift and change in then.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And you know There might be something that comes out in a couple years, then we might like even better than 20 milligrams per milliliter injections for women.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Next question. I'm currently on 10 milligrams of test cream daily. Test is 95 and free is 2.1. Taking a booster, try to upre t. I think you're taking a boot. Like, you're just wasting your time.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yes.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I would just switch to injections and you will probably notice that come up. And the great thing about injections, you might need three milligrams a week, you might need five.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You might need 10, you might need 20. Like, every woman's gonna be different, but you will be able to strictly control where you're total.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You have so much more control with it and you are. You will feel so much better than having this, like, up and down.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Ride with it. The other thing, too, if you don't want to make that switch, you know, split your dose up and, you know, do it twice a day. Split the dose up and do it twice a day. Do it first thing in the morning when you wake up and then again half of it and then reapply, you know, in the afternoon. That makes a difference where you're putting it as a woman, that makes a difference. You know, it's not going to penetrate as well. Putting it on your wrists, putting it on the back of your legs, like, you are going to get the most with cream. Putting it on the labia area. But you also get the skin absorption and skin toughness issues. That's going to come into play. Putting it on that area over time.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Which. The skin toughness is also going to affect absorption.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So 5 milligrams Manjaro, Tessa and IPA at night, five times a week. Matzi, five times in the morning per week. How would I add CLO per week? You just add it in the morning if you wanted to, that would be totally fine. Just take it in the morning with those and you do it five days a week. Depends on the goal. But yeah, that's what I would do. Yeah. She also said hair is thinning and I don't want to do. I don't know what to do immediately to stop it. Really don't think I have anemia. Where's the test cream causing it? Should I switch? Yeah, I mean, we've kind of just covered that. It's just the. You definitely get an increase in dht, which can definitely cause more hair shedding for a woman.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, I noticed, like, after switching from Cream to injection. Like my hair like got, I mean it got so much healthier.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

After doing that, plus being on desiccated np, Thyroid made a big difference as well. But I was already on that and making that shift to injection. I mean it's just, it's helped my hair so much and I have naturally thin hair too, so I get that.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Taylor, time for a recipe video for Vitargo bars.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's so funny. I actually put that down on my notes. Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Shout out to the AI tool. Thank you. Yeah. Hopefully it's helpful. Keep trying to make it better. So. So there's a doctor that has a perimenopause peptide protocol, but I'd rather join our community rather than hers. Do I support this protocol? I mean, I don't know. I don't know what that is.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But I can tell you I have, we have. I mean you don't have to join. I'm not trying to tell you to join my community. If you want to join my community. Like I'm not going to refund. Like people would like try to join and then try to get a refund. I'm not doing that because you go in and you get access to everything. But you can always cancel after the first day and you get one month access. So you want to join in and sign that bucks and you're like, hey, this is. Yeah, total trash. Like, hey, just cancel and then you only pay for one month. But yeah, all I can say is

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

like we cover a lot.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

We cover a lot of stuff.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

A lot of stuff for women's hormones.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. You can privately message us, you can ask us live questions on the group calls, you can post in the forum. There's lots of women in there.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, we actually have a. Someone who has an actual. Our co host is an actual hazard. Doctorates.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So I mean like, so we have. Yeah, there's lots of doctors. Lots of people.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Lots of doctors in the group too can help. But we do.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I just don't want people to like, you were never going to address perimenopause with peptides. There's of course peptides that can help support you. But like you gotta be on hormones.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So I, I just.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

She's on hormones.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. So I just like it sounds like there's probably like an improvement in the hormone strategy that would be beneficial.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, I'd say, I would say there's an improvement in the hormone strategy that I would say is more crucial, more important right now than trying to add in peptides to help that.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, well, Then obviously too is a question of blood work and everything as well. So yeah, I wake up tired and unmotivated. Is there anything I can try? Sure, you can try MOT C. I've tried Motsi but nothing. Hormones. Nad typically like people with nad. Five amino. Yeah, it just depends on like what's causing it. Like a lot of times if you don't have energy, there's something causing it.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So that would be my question, how to help the liver make more IGF. One in response to, I think they meant HGH, six year old woman was starting IGF of 67. Now IGF is 127 on two and a half units of HGH. Feeling better. But IGF should really be more on that dose of HGH. I mean it could. But what you could try to answer the question is ovagen and Livagen and glutathione. You could also try N acetylcysteine. All of those things will help improve the state of the liver. Especially I think the bioregulators, Ovagen and Livogen. You do like half a milligram to 1 milligram, maybe even 2 milligrams per day of those. Those should help like bring the liver just back into the healthiest function. And I would venture to guess, like I would, I would bet that that would probably improve your response. I mean it doesn't sound like it's obviously doubled so it's not, not, not working. Yeah, that would be my, my response to that. For like peptides that could help. What would I Recommend for someone? Copd tb500 broncogen chon luton or con luton. However it's pronounced GHKCU and then probably like a, a BPC could be helpful too. KPB could be helpful too. But those are like direct evidence for those. What's your suggestion to help an alcoholic using peptides to help with withdrawal? I'd say the best peptide for that would be dip. There's actually like evidence for that. So I would, I would throw in like 1-2mg per day of dip to see how that would help.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Tir, Zepatide.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Lotos, nitrexone, which is not a peptide. But I would definitely, that would definitely help as well too. Yeah, but dip, definitely.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, man. The test cream is. I've only been prescribed test screen for hrt. Is there a way I can get better absorption from it? Because the doctor will not prescribe injection testosterone. I. So whenever I say these things, please understand. I, I love doctors. There Are lots of doctors I love, but there are some doctors that have different philosophies. And you. I know it might be an insurance thing for you, but if you want testosterone, you are going to have to exist parallel to the insurance system, and you're gonna have to go get it yourself. And so I understand that your doctor will not prescribe injection.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It might not be an insurance thing.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It could just be that the doctor, like, I'm not trying to say that this person's a bad doctor. The fact that. The fact that a doctor, if you ask them for injectionable testosterone, hey, I'm on cream, but I want injection. This is what the. A lot of doctors will say, no, that. That doesn't exist. We can't do that. Sorry.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Oh, you know why? Because the doctor makes. They make more money on the creams.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

They do.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And I know that for a fact.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yes.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So. And again, I'm not even saying, like, if the cream works for you, do the cream. But I'm just telling you the doctor either doesn't know what they're doing. Doesn't even know that that's a possibility, which is a shame because they're a doctor and they should be reading these things if they're prescribing it. But I would get a new doctor.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Get a new doctor. And then you can try splitting your dose. Like I said a little while ago. Try to do, like, some of it in the morning and then some, like, you know, in the afternoon and see if you get better absorption with it. I mean, that would be the first. That would be the easiest way is to just try splitting it and just see.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Thoughts on mazdutide and what I would prefer Mazdutide vs Tirzeptide vs Seratutide. Winner is going to be.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I think there's appetite. Yes.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So here's. I like mazdutide. It feels more like you're on semaglutide, though, because you don't have the GIP to offset the nausea from the glp.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I feel like your food sits, like, in your chest.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Like, you definitely. The gastric emptying is, like, very prescient.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then servo dute. Kind of the same thing. So I would say it's good. And even if you wanted to use mazdutide to just break it up and cycle off on something else, it definitely will work. Like, it definitely will suppress your appetite.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, no, it definitely works.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. It's just that there's appetite is definitely better, in my opinion. Like, you just feel Better on it. Yeah, but that's just me and maybe someone else feels different. So.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, I think it just depends too, like if you're in a more stressful period of life because we all have periods of like stress is more prominent. I would say if you are dealing with much more nervous system stress issues, I would say let that be time for tirzapatide, whereas. And I think that like mazutide and retatrutide can be more taxing on the nervous system.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, for sure. Just the glucagon component is going to raise energy expenditure, which can obviously be good for fat loss, but it's great for fat loss.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

But it might not be great if you're dealing with a very emotional stressful time in your life.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Wife has pcos trying to have a baby. We're interested in trying kids. Peptid for hormone balance, NAD plus glutathione to optimize egg quality. What are your thoughts this? And PepsiPs for fertility?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I would say biggest thing just hearing that. I think Kiss Peptin can be great in using that during peak time of ovulation. And using that at least like 30 minutes prior to intercourse, I think can be helpful. However, I do think that tirzepatide using a GLP would be very beneficial to use to help counter like with the pcos with the insulin resistance. And then I would also. It's not in there, but progesterone is going to be one of the best tools that you can use, especially if somebody has pcos. Definitely a candidate for identical progesterone and definitely extremely beneficial to use during the ovulation, peak ovulation cycle while trying to get pregnant and conceive. Because if those progesterone levels are low, the fetus isn't going to be able to attach to the uterus. So you do want to see higher amounts of progesterone levels post ovulating.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Another thing too I would add in is. Did you say Trap Tide?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yes, I said Traptide.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then also SS31 too could be very helpful there as well just because SS31 makes everything better.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Also Foxo 4 can be great to. And then using epitalon. And this would be like very early phases of the fertility like protocol.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Um, to go back to the question about diluting the testosterone. Yeah, I mean it depends on to what you dilute it to, but just whatever dosing, I would do like 2 milligrams three times per week to start. One or two milligrams three times per week. And then you can kind of titrate up from. Whereas needed. My husband, 68, does all fad stuff for health. Waste so much time and money. He has never done anything to get his hormones in check. Any advice on how I can get him to see what it has done for me? I think especially Amy, in the case of your. In my experience, again, everyone's different. In my experience, the moment that you get blood work done and then you could see the levels you can point to, like now. Okay, I can take action because I know the levels. Even if they fall within the normal range.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Which if he's healthy, probably. He's probably be like a 2 to 300, maybe even a 500.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Just order the blood work for him.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And just like, don't. Just don't tell him. Just say like, hey, let's go.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You do at home blood work. You can just order. Order it some services. Or at home they come to your house and do it.

[Colleen Ramser (Trauma Therapist)]

Do it.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

They'll come to your house and do it. Or just order the panel and then just say, like, hey, let's go get blood work done together.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

It's a very reasonable thing to do.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You know, like, hey, just get your blood work checked. You know, and that's where it's like. That can kind of kickstart the process for someone because then it becomes real for them.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Sometimes I just think it's easy. You just like, order it and just do the one task for him. He'll be more inclined to do the other part of the task. Well, you already bought it. You already paid for the blood work.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. The men have the sunk cost thing going on. Well, it's already been paid for. I better use it for. It's a very real thing, the male brain. I've heard you guys say that not to do too many PEPs at one time. What about stacking example? Retta, Tessa, Clo, Nad and M gonna introduce epile and D. Is that bad? No, it's not bad. I think it's just more relative to the goals. Like, I think where I will be preachy around that is like, why do you buy 20 peptides and think that you're gonna like, what are you trying to achieve?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And then when you have it, try to achieve. I think you need as many peptides you need to achieve whatever that is. But in terms of taking all those together, Is that bad? No, it's just whatever what you want to get out of it.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah,

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I know. This was a question. HS stands for hydra, dentatitis. Superativa to calm or get rid of flares. Honestly, I don't know what that is. So I would have to check back with you on that.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Because I don't know and I don't want to speak to something I don't know.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

That's one thing we will admit when we don't know something.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

My favorite words in the English language. I don't know and I don't want to. If there's anything you guys like, think about me, just be like, yeah, Hunter, if he doesn't know something, he's definitely not going to say it. So I can't remember the doctor you like following Ivermectin protocol? I don't remember or recall if there's a doctor that has an ivermectin protocol. Maybe I've said it before and talked about it.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I don't remember.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I don't remember, to be honest. I mean, I love Ivermectin for sure. How would I treat slightly high blood pressure? Is nattokinase and tadalafil safe? Yes, very safe. Those would be like two things I would use right away if it's slightly high. Ever heard of anyone using both or either with results? Uh, I have used both and I both like them. I didn't have high blood pressure, so it didn't like drop it too low.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Obviously it can be dose dependent with the Cialis also too. If you want to do like a 10 milligram dose of telmasartan, I think that's fine too. Oh yeah. Paying out of pocket and still refuse to prescribe injection. That's just like. It's just a travesty to me. Cause it's like you're literally paying them for a. It'd be like if I. If I had a landscaper come to my yard because I grew up doing landscaping in people's yard and they said. And I said, hey, I want this type of fertilizer or pre emergent on my grass. And I'd be like, nah, I'm not gonna do that. Sorry. I'm like, dude, I am paying you to do what I tell you to do and cut the grass or fertilize the grass in the way I want it. So if you're not gonna do that, I'm gonna fire you. And when it comes to doctors, obviously it's just like a different thing, you know, because it's different complex in society.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

But then it could just be like, you know, like, I'm certified hormone replacement therapy through World Link and they're not big. They're very big cream users. So it could just be like where this doctor does their continuing education background from.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And it also. I'm not. They also do make more money off of it. So. Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Oral GHK strips or injection. The oral ones work.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

They do work. I would say the orals are good. If you get like. If GHK hurts you really bad, like.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Then use the orals. But if you're trying to like heal like a torn acl.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You need to inject. But if you're just using it just for like. I think if it's just for like longevity and just like collagen production, aesthetically, I think it. They're good.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

The strips.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Recommendation. Peptide certificate. What's your recommendation? Peptide certification for a healthcare provider. I don't have one.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I'm sorry. I mean, maybe in the future there'll be one.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Maybe we'll have something like that in the future. That would be really cool. But I mean there's a. Ones that you can do out.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

There's one that you can tell you

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

you're going to get anything out of them that's going to make your practice any better.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Per se. So unfortunately come across. Don't have a good.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, I can say that. Like I would do this actually Sarah's course.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. But that's also not.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's not credited. It's not credit.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You're going to get like letters behind your name or cme.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's just kind of more like an educational.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

For your own.

[Colleen Ramser (Trauma Therapist)]

But

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

one of these days my book is gonna be done. It's like 60% done now and it'll basically be like a textbook reference guide for peptides. Now is that gonna make you certified? No, but you'll be able to have it as a reference guide.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

You know, didn't think about Fox and epitalum for fertility. Maybe a deep dive episode on fertility later or a few more thoughts on this. We've had four unsuccessful IVF cycles. I'm sorry to hear that. I know how frustrating it can be. I would feel better about it like once we are pregnant and everything is rocking because I can tell you in theory what would work. But also too, everyone's going to be a little bit different. So we know the struggle.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So I also say too, what is the. I can't think of that group, that fertility group, that doctor that I found on YouTube. He has a fertility.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I don't know group.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Okay.

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[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Independent Medical alliance has protocols for Ivermectin. There you go.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Dr. Mark Sklard. Okay, is a doctor in. He has his doctorates in acupuncture, but he has like a fertility private coaching group and he's worked with people during doing like an even people that are doing IVF journey. So Dr. Mark Sklar is a doctor who has like a online fertility going to kind of like how our group is online, but it's like with fertility. Um, so might not hurt to look into that. Look into his stuff. He has a lot of YouTube videos too. So

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

any new peptides that you are using or excited about? If I'm excited about anything recently, I think it's just like transdermal peptides that I had really good experience with.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Some of the new nasals.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

The nasals, yeah, those are just like. It's not that I'm like, obviously injections are, I think, better. But what's cool about the transdermals in a lot of cases. And don't ask me where to buy them because I'm not going to tell you publicly. But I think what's cool about the transdermals is that in a lot of cases where you don't need the like, like, I think a good example would be like transdermal SLU332. It's not going to be as strong as taking the oral or if you have like injection, but you might not want that. Think about like BAM 15. Like transdermal BAM 15. You might not want the full strength of the oral and the systemic, but if you had it localized in a transdermal way, it could be beneficial. Same thing with like Melanitan 2. If you had like a transdermal Melan 2, it's going to be more mild, but you actually might want that yeah. In a, in a solution. Trying to think of what else that I've tried trans, like yohimbine.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Like yohimbine injection. It will make you go nuts. It'll work, but it'll make you like transdermal yohimbine is like oh like that's pretty like really good stuff because it doesn't cause all those like cold sweat, low blood sugar side effects. But you still get like the localized

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

fat loss also I would say like aesthetically transdermals like transdermal like glutathione and that's the thing, it's like it has to be transdermal and not, not like come out of the proper way to actually get the skin brightening benefits.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

From it.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Because I've been using trans.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You can still get it injecting but I do think using it transdermally on my face, like I've noticed more even, even skin tone, complexion using it versus using it injection wise. Now I'm going to, I'm not going to get as much detoxification.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Right.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

But I'm just talking about like it

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

doesn't hurt or it doesn't. It helps that it doesn't hurt as much.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Put on a transdermal as it does a injection of glutathione. So yeah, I'd say like excited, excited about that also too. Like transdermal to Dalafil, like a really good pre workout. I mean obviously oral to Dalfil works pre workout too but it's like you can feel a little bit more like a localized pump in those areas that you apply it. So yeah, I think that that's exciting. The Slew 915 is pretty cool. It's not anything to like not gonna like, you know, throw a party over it, but it's pretty cool. Any other peptide stuff coming down the pipe that I can think of right now, I mean the, the sauna, the S A N A. That seems pretty cool. I don't have it. The MA5 seems pretty cool. But yeah, I think the other than that it just kind of keep on rolling. The Alora Lentide, I haven't tried that yet. I really don't want any more. Like I have a Laurel and Tide sitting in my fridge. I haven't mixed it yet and I just don't want any more appetite suppression than I currently have right now. So like hesitant to use it. Yeah, if anything I would just use it to see how much it adds on to what I'm currently doing. But I'm also too like I Don't. I don't want to lose any more weight than I am right now. I mean, sure. Can you always be leaner? Like I'm. In my mind, I'm like always going to be like, you can always be leaner, cleaner than you are. But I'm also too. Like, I'm not. Like, I don't really want to feel like I'm. I'm in a really good place on my appetite suppression. I don't. I would. Someone offered me more, I wouldn't take it. So that's why I'm like, haven't tried it yet. But maybe I'll get rid of like I'll have a washout with a GLP period. And then I'll take that and see how it feels. Cause I actually would like to use it in isolation. G says his goal is to have low body fat, lean muscle, good sleep and great energy. Also want to live long. So having these goals in mind. A bunch of peptides a bad thing? Not necessarily. And then I would say to take some testosterone because that will have all those effects.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And that's the, the old gotcha is that like testosterone and HGH will get you all those things. Yeah, peptides can help though. So thoughts on a hair serum combo? What's the. The one KY 193382 or something? Yeah, that seems to be pretty good. Yeah. Ghk, ahk. I don't know. What's the hair serum these days?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

It's the one from our friend who lives in the.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, that's the KY.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

The KY. That's pretty good.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, go find some KY19. Some. Some KY19. That's all I remember. Maybe it's 382. Any thoughts on ion layer NAD patches? I don't even know what that is, so I don't have thoughts on them. Could be cool. I don't know though.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

I don't know. I just don't really think any patches work.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Some of the micro needle ones do. Yes. Metformin has shown great results and increased fertility for women. Pcos. So that could definitely be beneficial for fertility. Lots of data on that. Yeah, transdermals that we like. I mean we kind of talked about them.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Maybe share them through the email.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, you can see them through email.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, through email and stuff.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So do you like vial adapter on sipionate or would you rather just pierce the vial with the needle every time? Yeah, just pierce a vial with the needle every time. I don't think you have to worry about it. There is a lot of Ways with the lure lock, I noticed about 5 units of waste with the low lock. Yeah, there is, but I think it's just.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, whatever.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Any peptide that improves eyesight, SS31 would be the most beneficial thing. You could try some BPC and TB500 eye drops. All you have to do to do that is reconstitute the BPC with eye drop solution. Like, say like contact solution contact. And then just make sure you're refrigerated because there's no preservative. So you probably want to use it up pretty fast.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

You, if you wear contacts, you don't. You want to apply those before putting your contacts in. You don't want to put those in with your contacts in.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, but I would say SS31 is definitely going to be the best for that. The injections of SS31, you know what's

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

interesting is that like last night, like I almost identifies something and then like I didn't feel like saying anything. I don't know why and when. I don't know if it was last night or the night before when I had my glasses on. When I took my contacts out, I had my glasses on the bed because I was doing a little bit of like yoga instruction, stretching before getting in bed. And I meant to tell you, like, I didn't have my glasses on. I was like, oh, I feel like I can actually see. Like the TV seemed a little sharper and a little bit more clear. I feel like my. I haven't like complained about my vision and like I know that like I have not had my prescription change in a couple years.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So like, I know I need to go back to the eye doctor at some point, but I just, I noticed that and I am on terz appetite right now and I'm kind of wondering if there is any like, relation to that. And I was actually thinking about this before this person even put this comment up. I was like thinking about this. So it's kind of funny.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah, definitely. There's probably something there.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Ironically, people that Ozempic say it makes them go blind. I think those people just have micronutrient deficiencies from starving themselves also.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Well, I'm also doing like olive oil. So I'm also like have increased. Increase like healthier fats into my diet. So it could, I mean, maybe it's the olive oil.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Is testosterone bad for fertility?

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

In isolation it could be. But if you take HCG and, or HMG and or encomafine, I have verified because I had zero sperm in December of last year to like, where now all my sperm is at least in the middle of the reference range on every marker just using those things. So it could. If you just do testosterone without any fertility agents, but if you think that's an issue or like you think that that would be something you want to maintain, you just do those things. And see, like, when I started testosterone, I didn't want to be fertile. So I was like, I'm not taking any of that because I don't want fertility. Cause I was not in the point in my life where I've wanted that. And now that I am, and we're working on it and it's a journey. But like all my from testing that I've done is all came back within like four months.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So there's still stuff that needs to be improved.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

But it can. Yes, it can always be improved. And it. It takes a little bit longer, but yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Is testosterone bad for women too? Absolutely not. Women need testosterone.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

No.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And it's great. I mean, there's a lot. They actually will use testosterone. IVF therapy.

[Glenn Washington (Snap Judgment Host)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

To help get the women to ovulate. And it's actually helped me ovulate. So.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

So at the right again, to the right. Dosing.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Yeah. Not too much.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Too much harmful.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

One of the Pinelon and Epitalon master classes videos coming soon. Maybe I'll work on those this week. I filmed Melanitan 1 and Melan Tan 2 yesterday, so that should be on Tuesday. I should be able to have that out by Tuesday. And I combine those into one. So it's gonna be like an hour long. But I figured it'd be best to do my Lantan 1 and 102 together. But maybe I'll do those next week. That would be. I've been thinking Epitalon because what I'm doing right now is I'm like working on chapter by chapter of the book. And I use the chapter when I'm done writing with it is like the kind of like starting point to write the master class slides. And I kind of have like a format that I'm doing those in. So, like, it allows me to do it faster because I know the format of how I want it. But those would be good ones to do. I haven't finished the chapters for those yet, but as soon as I do, then I will film the masterclass. Then I'll have them out. But those would be good ones to do and also a good change up because I try to like, not keep the categories all the same. Like, I try to like, kind of rotate through the category. So it's like you're not getting the same type of peptides each week, but yeah, very soon. Stay tuned. Kind of like a TV season, right? Just the next episode. So have you heard about pregnenolone improving eyesight? I haven't, but I like pregnenolone. I think it's great. So it's not gonna hurt.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

No.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

And I think a lot of people, sometimes women, even if you're on progesterone, can take pregnenolone. I think men on testosterone, a lot of them do well with pregnenolone. Some don't need it. I use it for myself and I think it's good. So, yeah, it definitely. I don't think it's gonna hurt. Taurine can also be beneficial too. I say I recommend taurine, so. All right. I think we got through all the questions. Oh, Donnie's got question. We can hang out for a few more minutes. If people still have questions, go ahead and drop them as we close out. To reconstitute with backwater and then mix with contact solution. No, no, do not use backwater for

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

your eyes because that would use contact solution.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Just contact solution. Or like saline plane contact solution to reconstitute.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Would BPC in your eyes also give benefits to the whole body? I don't think so. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. But it definitely helps with eyes.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So. 57 year old, slight bph after pelvic mri on Reddit, currently wanting to gain muscle. Is ippa and cjc okay? Yeah, it should be. It shouldn't exacerbate the bph by any means. Might like growth hor better. But ippa and cjc would be fine too. Negative using pen to. I think they meant to inject testosterone. And how long can you keep the testosterone a vial before it goes bad? I mean, you can keep a testosterone in bile for a long time because it's in oil. So it should be at least for years. Yeah, before.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

And then they meant like using like the pen.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

I don't like the pens for testosterone because an oil, it's too thick. Hard to push that through. A pin needle just doesn't move as well. I know people do it. You use like a 29 gauge pen cap. I just, I tried it one time. I was like, this is. And you got to like hold the pin in you for like two minutes for it to like actually push out. Just doesn't work. So I just get little 28, 29 gauge needle, pull it out. Pop it, you know, and you should be good to go.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Yeah.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

So. All righty. I think that is it. We will go ahead. We're almost at two hours. All right, last one, I promise. Then we'll shut it down. Getting ready to change from cream test to injection test based on your AI recommendations for. I think they meant for the AI. Can't wait. Can we talk to your AI versus type. Great thing. I will work on that because I'm actually, like, trying to work on getting it actually into a mobile app that you can, like, download from the App Store or the Play Store or whatever. So, yeah, I will work on that. That would be really cool to have the talking. Also to be able to upload documents and photos and stuff. Stuff too. So many more good things to come with that. It's just don't have as much time as I'd like you to work on it. But I still have time, so it'll. It'll be okay. All right. We will go ahead and shut it down. Thank you guys, as always. You know where to find us. Thank you for the support. In closing, it is a blessing, honor and privilege to get to bring this to you. The fact that I get to turn this on and then people are actually listening and watching to me sometimes. I was like, we didn't know if.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Because I forgot to post it on Instagram, which I don't. We didn't know. We're like, well, we'll see how many people.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Maybe we get as many. But I'm still like, sometimes, like, am I going to. Like, this is like the inferiority complex. Like, am I going to turn on the camera one day and like, no one's going to listen, So I hope not. But thank you, guys. It's a dream come true that we get to do this and there's people here to listen and hopefully it's helpful to you. So again, you know, whether you're using our coded places or you like, share, comment, share with your friends and family, obviously, too, if you're in our private group. Thank you, guys. I know some of you guys are watching, so thank you guys for doing that. You can always join our private group to talk with us privately and then come on live calls with your camera on and talk with us on the group calls. So thank you, guys. It's a dream come true for us to get through this and I just always want you to know we are eternally grateful for the support. That's it for this one. We'll be back probably in two weeks. I don't see why we wouldn't. So we'll be back in two weeks and we'll talk to you. Next one, Next one.

[Taylor (Co-host, Peptide Expert)]

Bye, guys.

[Hunter (Peptide Expert)]

Peace.

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[Colleen Ramser (Trauma Therapist)]

Understanding spiritual abuse and trauma is one thing. Knowing how to move forward is another. In the Shattered Soul, trauma therapist Colleen Ramser walks alongside survivors, offering guidance, practical tools and hope for healing. Through both professional insight and her own story, she helps readers begin the journey of reconnecting to themselves their faith and their sense of peace. The Shattered Soul is now available wherever books are sold.