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Welcome to the Joy Broadcast with me, Ali Mortimer. I was once upon a time an IT consultant, recoding systems in the retail industry to function better. And now I'm turned a life consultant and joy coach, where I'd like to think I reprogram and recode hearts, minds, souls and lives to feel better. This podcast, the Joy Broadcast, is a way to bring joy to your life, whatever the weather, whatever you're doing. So you feel a pocket or of positivity in every single day. If, like me, you've once upon a time found yourself wondering whether you will ever be happy again or if you're just staring at the kitchen sink wondering how you'll get through the next 10 minutes, this podcast is for you. Get you a glimmer of hope, a dose of happiness, or an infusion of joy right here, right now. Welcome to the Joy Broadcast. Welcome back to the Joy Broadcast. I have a feeling, in a sense that this is going to be going out right at the beginning of 2026, but we are recording just before Christmas, just before all the crazy joyfulness starts. And I am joined this evening and I'm feeling like a little bit excited and a little bit giddy because it's someone very, very special to me, and without you realizing it, somebody very, very special to you. Because tonight I have with me my mentor and my coach. And I chose Jana to be the Me for Me mentor. And it wasn't an immediate decision. I've been following Jana for probably four or five years and asked her several times for the links to join her mastermind, and then never really quite clicked it. And you know what? I'm actually really, really pleased. I didn't. It wasn't the right time. I followed my gut. And in 2023, I took a sabbatical. For those of you who have been listening to me for a while, you know that I took that sabbatical after a very, very dear friend of mine died and James had some health problems, and I wanted to try and work out what I wanted to do for my brand next. I was also going through perimenopausal symptoms, and everywhere I looked, it just kept saying, joy, Joy here, joy there, joy this, joy that, Speak of joy, talk of joy. And so when I sat down in a networking group, it just came out of me when someone said, what do you do? I said, I'm a joy coach. And that's when it hit me. And I was like, right, I now know what I'm doing and I need someone to be the mentor for me. To help me get this out into the world. And I knew exactly who I wanted to help me do that with. And I jumped into Jana's me brand, her master course. And I literally, I'm in such a good girl. I'm an A star student. I followed it to the letter and by the end of that year we turned six figures. I remember I said, I said, I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I haven't even looked. But we done it. We're 125k. And it was just like me brand is a six figure brand making machine. And then I was just like, I remember I said, can you send me the link to your mastermind in your private coaching? And I remember it was probably one of the hottest days earlier this year and I sat with it and I actually remembered. I thought, I'm going to go back and look in my journal because in 20, at the beginning of 2025, I all, I always have a theme. Sure, we'll come onto this. But my theme for 2025 was Delusional Dreams coming true. And I had written it was my number two delusional dreams was to sit and work privately and work through my me brand map with Janna Kingsford. And in May, I clicked the link and that's exactly what we've been doing in the last six months. So without you knowing it, Jana has been the mentor behind the joy brand to help me reach the millions and the masses. Jana, thank you so much on behalf of me and all of my listeners and all of my clients for helping me bring joy to the world.
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Squeezy hug you through the screen. I was just like receiving all that. Soaking it up, soaking it up.
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A
Just take it.
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Thanks for having me.
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A
Thank you so much. There's so much I want to talk about and I know it's like this is going out into the beginning of 2026. You are the big dreams, Jeannie. You are the person who helps people bring dreams to life. Shall we start there? What brought you to dreams? Why dreams? Tell me why.
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Let's start there. I feel like I'm dressed like a little bit of a genie today. It's a whole thing. I am the big dreams genie. I feel like I go through different iterations of like, I'm not the genie, I am the genie. But it's always been big dreams. But definitely feeling the magic of it at the moment of the big Dreams genie is, I think if we go back to when it started is 20 bajillion million years. Ago, I think it was 2006. It feels like forever is when I You right. I signed up to university. I was pregnant with my second baby. I was 22, and I started studying at university to be a journalist because I wanted to be a writer. That was my big dream, to be a writer. So I thought my brain got braining and it's thinking journalism, that's what we'll do. That's how you get paid to be a writer. It's the only path. In 2006, there was no other way unless you got a publishing deal. But how do you get a publishing deal? Mostly because you're already an established writer anyway. My brain at 22 connected the dots and went, let's sign up to university. Even though I'm a high school dropout, there was just a magical moment one day where this opportunity came to me where I could study from home. And that was the whole thing. And so I signed up and within four months I knew I'm not going to get a job in this field. And this is what is the point. And so I was just at the beginning of the big dream, and then I was questioning it and doubting it. And I was feeling like, I think everybody will feel this when they decide or they set their mind on a big dream. And it feels so right and it feels so good. And this is what I meant to do. And four months in, or five months in, or a year in you go, what have I done? What am I doing? And in that moment, I just got this rush that came over me like, jana, you're here to help women feel capable of their big dreams. Later on, this is all going to make sense. Trust it, do it. And I achieved that university degree in five years. It took me five years. And I was juggling three kids or juggling two and pregnant with my third when I graduated after being a high school dropout. And I just knew I would use it one day, somehow, some way, my Bachelor of communications would come in kind of, kind of handy. And that was my sort of inroad to big dreams and doing a big dream because it just feels like the right thing to do, or feels like this is something here and following it all the way to the end, even though it feels like this makes no sense at all. What am I doing? Why am I doing this? And that was my first big dream that became the catalyst for all of my next work going into the next decade. So that is. That is how the Big Dreams Genie was born, originally the origin story.
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A
And it makes me Smile, because how many books have you just written and published in the last three months? I don't know. I've read several of them.
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I think accidentally 8, but there's still a few more to go. And yeah, I definitely have written a few now I've lost track of all the others, but currently I think I'm at eight in like maybe three months. Yeah.
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A
And one of your books, and I've told you this already, but your one ology book is like my bible. It's the one I go back to every single time. It's just like every line crystallizes, alchemizes. And I've read it so many times and each time I'm like, oh, yes, it's just like this coming back to my purpose of what I meant to do. And it's just every line was just like, yes, that's absolute reiterating. It is joy. It is joy because of this and then this and then this. And I don't know, it just gives you so much confidence. You're writing that book for me was amazing.
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B
I love this. I was so grateful that the one ology landed with everyone because it's such a big part of my work. It became something that I overlooked or didn't even realize the gravity of. And that happens a lot of the time with our work where we don't notice the gravity or how big this is. And with Oneology, I just kind of like, oh, I'll just get that one out. Next one, next one. And not really thinking anything of it. But then the feedback and the DMs and the sales of it surprised me. And the feedback from it and the testimonials and the life changingness. I'm like, this one, this is the one. But then it really. One of the readers, she said, this kind of feels like your one ology is the. The big dream being big dreams. This is a part of it and this is your one ology coming like full force. So that is kind of like sometimes you've got to really look at what is happening with everybody else and how they're receiving something and tune into that and go, what is here? And then I've realized how closely related it is to me. Talking about big dreams being big dreams genie and the work that I do in my life's work, it's really closely connected. So I love that it really resonates with you. It's made me reconnect with it and read it from different eyes and different lens.
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A
Being part of kind of like the group who were reading it and witnessing it. It was almost as you said, you just like threw it there. It's like, have this one. Well, I've got these other seven I've got to do. We were like, whoa, this is amazing. Stop, hold on. And it reminds me of something that you always say to us as part of your Me Brand master course. And what we were, what we do in figure seven is the thing that comes so easily to you that you don't see as the big thing is the big thing, isn't it? It's the big thing.
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It's ironic because that is literally what monology is about. I know, and I wasn't even seeing it. But one ology to me is big dreams. My oneology is big dreams. We probably should explain what one ology is. So one ology is. Yeah, go on, let's do that. Because we're just like, well, talking about monology and what is that? So it's the one thing that you are here to represent, and that is not like niche. It is everything, the all and the everything that you are here to represent. And it's what it's always been for you. And so in my way, it's big dreams. In Ali's, it's joy and it's actually finally going, this is what it's always been. This has been always the driver for me. This is what it will always be about. And it's always been about this. It will never not be about this. But there's such big concepts. Your one ology is everything. It has to be able to hold everything. And no matter what iteration you have coming up, no matter the changes in life that we all have and the different stages and the changes that we go through as women and cycles of life, this one ology will stay. What is the one thing that you're here to represent? And some people, it is freedom, legacy. For me, it's big dreams. For you, it's joy. And once you find that and you, like, land on that and you commit to representing that every single day, whether that is just through your life online or otherwise, everything falls into place. It does create, like, everything falls into place because I think it's in the lines of redefining purpose. With more of I'm rising to the occasion of the word and the essence that it's always been, as in, for me, big dreams. It's rising to the occasion. It's always been this, it will always be this. It's always about this. And once you find that, it's like, I'M out here representing an idea. I'm out here representing joy. I'm out here representing big dreams, whether that's online or offline through your life, the way you live your life. And that is your one ology. And once you hold that, it's. It's like a deeper meaning for purpose of more like you're giving to your purpose versus your purpose is giving to you.
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Yeah. There was one thing that really struck me when I went back and reread it, obviously, because I'd heard it as part of the program anyway. But when I reread it, it was the reiteration or the reinforcement of it. When you talk very much around, sometimes your one ology is something that you haven't had for a period of your life. So you also can speak to the fact of what it feels like when you don't have it. Like when I went through my dark periods in 2016 and 2017, there was no joy, but joy was the one thing that I put a pin in to say, I'm going there, I will find it, I will reconnect it with it, I will recreate it. And joy is the destination, but it's also the path to recreating it. And I know that that's been the same with you for the big dreams. Right?
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100%. It's like if you have not struggled with or experienced the opposite, you won't have the potency or the complete connection with that one ology. If you haven't struggled with the opposite, if you haven't struggled with the opposite of what, like the opposite of joy, or the opposite of Big Dre dreams, or the opposite of legacy, feeling like you don't matter, or the opposite of freedom, feeling like you're constricted. Whatever the opposite of your one ology is, it's not a oneology unless you've struggled with at some point in your life with the complete opposite, and also continue to drop down into those lower vibrations of whatever that one ology is. So with me, with big Dreams, it's like thinking smaller. That's too much of a big dream. You can't do that. You think you can do these things, Donna, and you can't. That is the opposite. If I don't have the opposite, then for me, it's like you're not going to be connected enough and you're not going to know the nuances of it that are required for you to be a beautiful representation because you're just speaking to it in such a deep way in such a Potent way that people are like, oh, my God, you're talking to me. How did you know?
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Yeah, and I love that. And I also think that even more recently, when I lost Joy, I mean, through the migraines I've been having and you've been holding me in the last three months, it was like we just had to keep going back to, this is a pilgrimage, isn't it? It's. It's a pilgrimage with joy. Back to joy. And sometimes when it's taken away, we're reminded how important it is. Our one ology. So anyone who's listening to this, whether you choose to use it for your work, for your life, for your life's mission, your purpose, it's. It's not necessarily always going to be there, but it's a reminder that actually when you don't have it, you're reminded of how important that one thing is to put back in your life.
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B
And then you'll get in bandwagons about it as well. You will just not shut off about joy and you be like, joy is the way through. Joy is the super attractor. So for me, it's like big dreams. When you don't have a big dream and you're not on a pilgrimage, you're going to feel lost and you're going to feel like you have no direction and you're not going to feel that aliveness in your life. And the big dream is the whole point. Creating the character capable of achieving the big dream is the whole point. The fitness test that the big dreams puts you under is the whole point. And that is like, I'll just get on there, these rampages in these rants, because I'll feel the opposite and be like, whoa, okay, needed that reminder. I really do want to rise to the occasion even more for this monology of what I'm here to represent. Rise to the occasion because it's less about purpose and more about here. What I'm here to represent through the way that I live my life, not just the things that I say. And so when you have an opposite experience, you just feel it, like these thoughts and these feelings and you're just so tuned into, oh my gosh, this is what the opposite feels like. And you're able to just speak to people in such a way that they listen and feel it and go, oh, that is literally me. That is literally what I experienced. And it just creates like more of a synapses with your offline or your online work.
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A
I remember we were talking about this. I was in the Hot tub. And I was just like, I've lost it. I've lost it. But it was also in the losing it that I found it again. But it wasn't just I found it. I found it on a much, much deeper level.
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It.
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It was when I realized that actually, do you know what? Joy is so much easier when you have nothing. Which just sounded like such a contradiction in terms. And I remember lying there and thinking, but yet I'm surrounded by a dream that was bigger than I could ever imagine. And it's actually harder to hold joy now because I'm so busy and I'm so distracted. And it was like a light bulb pinged and it was like. And you were like, yes, this is what I've been trying to tell you. And I was like, oh, and now I'm experiencing it and I get it. And I think one of the reasons why I want. Wanted to bring you onto the joy broadcast was not only because you've helped me bring joy to so many, but because I wanted to give such a gift of gratitude back to you very publicly to say thank you for holding me for the last six months and for continuing, which I know you will do for the remainder of time, because you are my me. For me mentor. It is. You know, there is similarities, but differences. And I think it's so powerful. And I want to talk about mentorship because I know that having you as my mentor and I know that as I am a mentor to others and you are a mentor to others, having that longer term mentorship is so powerful. Like, I know when I come on my calls to you and sometimes I've got nothing to say, everything is good. We often have some of the most powerful conversations because there's no pressure.
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That's my favorite way to start the call is I have nothing today. Okay, well, let's dive into every single thing that we didn't know we needed.
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Yeah. And I think that people feel that they often need coaches or mentors when things are going wrong. And actually it's not always about that. Look at joy and big dreams. It's the declaration that we want to go for more without denying ourselves of.
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Everything that we have already rising from the top. Sometimes the hardest thing, and it wasn't until I was at the top that I realized what it takes to rise from the top and how easy it was to rise from the bottom. You've got nothing to lose. But when you're. And the same thing, like what I said when we were having that, like, I think it was a Back and forth coaching moment and it was joy or big dreams are so easy to find at the bottom. And I know that we have been at the bottom so we understand that. We get it. But for me, I did not expect that once I was at the top, how tricky it was going to be for me to tune into big dreams after achieving big dreams. And you're comfortable and it's not convenient and you're signing up to be have your cage rattled again. And why would you want to do that? Why would you want to rise from the top? And then the bigger it gets, the more that's at stake. You're going to lose. There's more to lose. There's more at stake. There's more people watching, there's more people that are affected and impacted by your decisions. So the feeling to stay where you're at because it's comfortable is different to at the bottom. There's. You don't want to stay where you're at because it's so uncomfortable and it kicks you out of it. Like, I'm getting out of this, I've got to get through this. I've got to get through this. But at the top, when you've had certain levels of success in certain areas or in all areas to go again because you know there's a part of you that's petrifying by staying where you're at. And it's like it's comfortable for now. But I know where this is going. I know that there's this, there's a decline to how I'm feel. There's a decline to my joy. And I know what is on the other side of this going down and down and down and down and down. I can feel it coming. And then there's. There's also that fear that you're going. I can feel it going down. I can feel it declining. But I don't have enough of a something making me move, that I need to move, that I need to do something else that I need to grow because there's not that much drive to go. I need to grow. I want to chase my big dreams again. Because you've achieved your big dreams. So it's that, that point where it's like, and now we dream bigger, that create it, that takes so much guts to change everything again when everything is comfortable, when it's not needed. So that's the territory for me is like dreaming beyond needing is actually this underrated and underserved energy or part that I think a lot of the times mentorship is really good for because it's putting you in the field of the dreaming beyond needing. You don't need a coach or a mentor. That's not how you grow from the bottom. It's how you grow from when you've achieved your big dreams and now it's time to dream bigger. And it's like, oh, I know what it's. You're no longer naive. You don't have the gift of naivety. You're like, oh, I know what this is going to take. I know what this is going to require and do I want to. But you also know that you have this feeling like this is required and it is desired and I can rise to the occasion. I know what's going to happen if I don't. It may be comfortable, but it's only temporarily comfortable because progress is one of the beautiful human needs and feeling like we're growing. So I think that's where the mentorship sweet spot comes into the equation is the, the part where you've achieved big dreams. Now it's time to dream bigger. And there's not. There's. It's not necessary, it's not needed. And most of the time you don't particularly want to shuffle everything up and yeah. Wriggle it all around and let's grow again.
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Yeah. Because you know you're going to have those growing pains and you. It be. The thing that comes to mind for me is that when you're there and I sometimes went into the resenting of the big dream or the joy.
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Yeah.
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Because you don't realize what your next big dream is until you've achieved a big dream. You don't know what's next until you're there. And then it's as you say, the next big idea, the next big dream, the next big desire pops in and you're like, oh, no. I've got to mean it's almost like a bit of a sinking feeling. It's just like, oh, no. Why did you have to show me that?
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So happy, so content.
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No. And then you show me that and you're like, oh. And I think you're so right. You know, the, the having of mentor is the one. Well, I know certainly for you with me is you remind me that I can go again and you remind me that it's okay and that we can do it. But you also expose me to what is going to happen. You often talk about exposure therapy. You've been through what I'm about to go through so you can hold me through it. It's I know it's going to be tricky and dangerous and there's pitfalls, but it's okay because I've been in there, I've been in the fire, and I'm going to walk you through how to get through. So it's not as scary when you've been with someone who can experience, expose you to that in advance. It's the dress rehearsal for what is about to come. Let's. Let's play it out. We talked about it in my coaching session this week. It was like, I'm going to be talking about Joy, and I'm going to be going a little bit polarizing and being really open and honest about the truth of Joy. And when we were talking about it, when we were talking about your wonderful, your subconscious reprogramming the belief ethics, I was just like, oh, I know what it is. It's the ridicule and it's the ridicule of my teenage sons. And you are immediately. But that's your exposure.
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So I'm a teenage son myself, so I know exactly how powerful this is, the exposure therapy. And knowing that what a gift it is that you'll get the ridicule from your teenage sons because they're your little, like, exposure therapy every day when they give you. They troll you for your beliefs and they get to live in the manifestation of them, and they still troll you for it and they love you.
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And. And to me, that was the power of that mentorship moment, because up until that point, I was frightened of the ridicule. I was. I was, you know, it was keeping me small, but keeping me quiet. We have that one conversation, you and you reframe in the minute. It's just exposure therapy. Go and ask them. And with that, I come out and I start talking and my Instagram has just literally gone crazy. But that's what happened. Okay.
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Oh, my God. I love that we use. So I feel like for the context is when there's always. There's always these growth moments. And I think I love that because I've got that personal experience with it. And when you have a personal experience with it, it's going to neutralize it and make it feel natural and normal and neutral. And we're going to be less charged around it, feeling alone in it, feeling like we're doing it wrong, feeling like there's something wrong with us because of our reaction to the trolling. And if we can just find through line of. Hang on a second. You're getting trolled, like, every day by your Kids. My kid, my. My teenager, he trolls me for my manifestation work. And he goes, manifesting. And at first, I loved watching the way that I smiled with it and owned it. And there was no like, oh, he's trolling me. Oh, my God. I'm like, I'm gonna go, like, disappear from the Internet for three days. No, it's your kid. And you're just like, excuse you. You're living in the manifestation of this and you're trolling me because it's uncomfortable for you, so it's uncomfortable for him. And. And just to, like, give you that quick story. I gave you that quick story about Mason being.
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A
Can you tell the story?
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Yeah, let's tell the story. So this is. If you think you're getting. If you've got teenage sons or even your girls, they could troll you about your. You know, my kids told me about my necklace the other day. I'm like, okay, well, I'm wearing it then today. And I thought about it when I put it on. So sort of like, oh, yeah, they trolled me. But it's all in love. It's all in love. And so with my boy, the recent experience was he always gives me stuff for being. Talking about manifesting all the time. He's like, oh, what are we going to do? Manifest this. And he asked for a surfboard a couple of weeks ago, and I. I actually, like, smiled to myself. I'm going to put him in a position where he has to manifest it, because I know he's a great manifesto, and he wanted a surfboard because he's. He's homeschooled, so we're often. We get behind all of his activities. But I have a surfboard, but it's in storage, and it's two hours away in storage. And I said, well, when we go there, I'll get the surfboard. And he's like, I don't want to wait that long. And I said, okay, well, you save up for one and you go buy one from Marketplace. And he said, I don't want to do that either, and said, well, you're just going to have to manifest one then for free, because I'm not buying you one. You're going to have to save up for one. Because, you know, being 13, he just is so used to being like, I want $60, I want $100. And I'm in that process of. Now you're 13, you're going to have to start working for things. So anyway, the next day, my daughter comes home from work and she comes in and she said, mom, there's five free surfboards next door with a sign that says free. And so me and the family, we walk across the road and we picked up these surfboards and walked home with these free surfboards. And he said, so we manifesting that. I'm like, what else happened? Listen, because is there any other houses along here or have you ever seen free surfboards on the side of the road ever? And he's like, no, no, no. So that was his manifestation. It has to be the voice. You can't do it without the trolley.
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It's like the Kevin voice. And it was. It's just like, not just one. He manifested five. He manifested one for each of you.
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One for the whole family. And it was such a. It was just a oh my God. And of course moment where even with that moment, he still was trolling me around manifesting. But I know in of hearts that when he's 30, he's going to tell all these stories about how his mom was a manifesting queen and she used to manifest and she taught me how to manifest. So I know that's the story. I know that's how it's going to go.
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I know. And they just. That whole story was just so wonderful for me just to think you're so right. And what did we say? We said, okay, when I'm feeling nervous about what I've got to post or what I'm going to say, I just give it to the boys. I'm just going to say, okay, at me, hit me, hit me.
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Such a Gen Z thing. Yeah, at me, give it to me, take it.
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I'm just gonna take it and then I can put it out because it didn't hurt me and it's all fine. I just love that.
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That's the joy of teenage boys. You just like, just at me. And I'll take it because my daughters as well are like, oh my God, mom, that is so cringe. And I feel like, yes, it is. I mean, am I even doing my job as a mum if I'm not being cringe? It helps you, like expose yourself to it because if you've got teenagers, the Internet ain't going to be able to do anything to rattle you at all.
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I almost feel like the cringier the better in some ways. It's going to get noticed, isn't it? Yeah. I wanted to ask you about coaching because I know that you profess how much you love to coach and I love to coach. Why do you love coaching so much and mentoring? What Is it about it that you love so much?
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B
Okay. So I think you can create this big, beautiful life for yourself with the things you know, with what you've lived through, what you've learned, and you create this big, beautiful life. And then when you think about, imagine if I pass it on to somebody else, I've passed it on to my kids, who will pass it on to their kids because they've lived it, they've learned it, they've experienced it, they've embodied it. They're seeing someone who's. So they're going to have it through show, not tell. So they're. They're good. And your generations and generations are going to be impacted. And then you've got the people in your circle that are going to be impacted. And then you've got the people on the Internet that you're connected to that you wouldn't otherwise be connected to, because the beauty of the Internet. And then you get to have this work that you've lived through. You've learned, you've got experience, you've got expertise, you've got enthusiasm for this crafts, and you've got embodiment of this that you pass it on to somebody else. And it's like, if you think about, you know, when you suggest a short TV series to somebody.
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Yeah.
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And you're like, you're gonna love that. And they're like, no, I'm not. And you're like, oh, yeah, you are. You've just got to get through the feeling, like, you're not gonna love that. Like when I recommend Yellowstone to the right people, and I'll say, you need to watch Yellowstone or Ted Lasso. And Ted Lasso is probably my favorite because everybody I recommend it to, they're like, no, that's about soccer. I'm like, no, you need to watch it. And there's, it's like perfect examples Ted Lasso because it's got this framing of like, I'm not gonna like that. And then you watch it and you have your life changed. Like your life is literally changed through it. And so I see it like that satisfaction you get when you have told somebody about a TV show, a series, they're like, what series should I watch? And you tell them and they're like, nah, that's not gonna be for me. And then they watch it and then they just get their lives completely lives changed. And then they hit that moment in Ted Lasso where he talks about, I've always been underest, needed, and you. They get their lives changed and they're like, thank you. Oh my God. Coaching is like that. But every day you give them a piece and they just think that's not gonna work or that won't work for me, or I'm. I'm not good enough for that, or. And then they take it, they receive it with open arms, they trust it, they put it in play. And then they start to live in the manifestation of those actions, those beliefs that they've done and taken. And so then you get to see that impact and then you get to see them going through the motions and then they come back to you and it's that same satisfaction. People do it for free all the time with recommending a series. And that satisfaction you get when they're like, oh my God, I love this. And I just recently recommended one of my friends to watch Landman because I knew she would like it. And I was just sitting by my computer going, so what do you think?
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A
What do you think?
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B
And then it kind of reminded me like, that's coaching for me. How did it go? And I get to see that and tune into it every week. You did the thing. How did it feel? Oh my God, Johnna, you were right. Or about the. My life's changed now that my kids can be my pre trolls. I get go to my teenage boys and they're just going to troll me. And then the Internet can't say anything gonna even penetrate this field. Changes the game, changes everything. One little thing you say, one little suggestion from what you've lived and what you've experienced, passing it on and it's just like a daily satisfaction, a daily fulfillment. Whether that's selfish or not to be like, what did you think about it? What did you think that I'm success with? Seeing how they experienced it, seeing their translation of it, seeing their perspective. And I get to do that as a job every day and eat at the ground. I think being a writer myself is. I could easily just be a writer and not coach, but for me it gives me an ear to the ground and it has me be in the field. And then it's less philosophy and more real world in the field. Potent life work, not philosophy. It's like we are living it, we are in the field. There's different nuances to it. It's maybe not as clean and clear as philosophy or as masses philosophy, but it's like this is the guidebook or this is the tour guide for the pilgrimage. Not so much this is the one that's on the pilgrimage with you. Not so much the person that is written a book about it. So you're just in it.
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A
Yeah, I love that as well. That whole paying it forward, isn't it? It's just like there's a really beautiful quote that I love and that I love that helped me. And it just said you've been given this mountain so that you can show others how it can be moved. And I kind of feel like coaching and mentoring is that it's. You've been through the fire, you've been in the field, you've got the war wounds, you've been through it all and you're watching or witnessing somebody else in it. And you can say, I can come and be with you and help you make this easier for you. But also being in the field, you can. There's a level of satisfaction of saying it doesn't just work for me, it also works for other people, but also you witnessing it, you can refine it. And I think that's where I get satisfied satisfaction as well. Not only just seeing it in others, but how I can refine it to make sure it's adaptable for everybody. That just feels so good, making it quicker as well.
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B
So I love what you said about it makes it easier because you remember the things that made it take longer or made it harder for you. And if you can be a part of because you can't do it for the first time again, that's gone. The first born big dream, the first born, you doing something can't happen again. So you get the satisfaction almost of doing it again. Like when my clients hit the million a lot quicker than I did, I get the satisfaction of I had my firstborn million dollar year and I don't get that again. You don't get your firstborn moment again. You don't get to feel that first time again. But I get to feel that first time again through my clients as well. Because I get to see it as we made that so much quicker than I did it. Because when you hit the roadblock that maybe took me three months or four months or a year to get through, I can be like, this is this moment. Let me work the magic. This is what's happening, this is why it's happening and this is what we're going to do about it. Boom, done work through in three days versus for me, three months. Because you're on the other side of it. You've seen those things and those. That's why it's so intelligent to have a mentor. And that's why the more successful people are, the more that they have relied on mentorship because they see that, well, I can just live in the, I can live in that roadblock or for three months or three years, or I could just get someone who's been to the other side and can recognize the bit that I'm in that I can't see the ChatGPT can't see because it doesn't know it hasn't lived through it, learned through it. It's not going to know what is here and why this is happening and what the bigger picture of it is. And their journey might not be the same as yours, but it might give you something that helps you to be like, oh, this is what it is done. Move through. Yeah, move through things at lightning fast speeds. It's levitate to new levels at lightning fast speeds because you're not having to go through those three months or those four months of that roadblock. That's not necessary that you finally figure out it. Then you can go, oh my gosh, this is what it was. I wish I knew that earlier.
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Yeah, you've been gifted it on a plate. I think there's, there's that element. And I also think one of the most powerful things of having a mentor as well is that they can watch and they can witness you. It's like they can call you out with love. It's like, come on, pull yourself through this. This is what you want. I'm reminding you of this. This is exactly what you did last month or what you said a month ago, come on, just go. And it's said with love, but it's someone witnessing you when sometimes you can't see it for yourself until someone just holds that mirror up up for you. And I think that's powerful. Just I, you know, and, and then I know you talk a lot about your seven stages of your big dreams. It's the sabotage piece when all the resistance piece you talk about es and flows. I think having a, a mentor to help you see when that you're in those moments can help you move through them much, much quicker. It's like, it's okay, Ally. You're just in a resistance of having a big dream come true. It's okay. You're now sabotaging it. It's okay. You're going to get through this and it's okay. Rather than, than me lying there panicking that something's wrong. It's like, it's okay. It's part of the process and you.
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Will move through it neutralizes it. And I think when you've worked with so many people. And that's the satisfaction I get with working with so many people and just seeing it over and over and over again. The exact same thing and not putting everybody in the same thing, but at the same time is I know this farty trick and I know I can track where you're at and I can track what part of the big dream you're at. Just like we did the other day, this amazing call. And it's so amazing about like, we're going to be polarizing and we're going to be like this and then also Ali being polarizing. We'll get you out there, but then, boom, it's going to hit you. Those trolls are going to hit you.
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A
What do we say it's going to be the three big dicks hitting me on the head? I think.
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B
Exactly. It's going to be like the universe is going to kick you over the head with this big dick. And just what I've noticed in my coaching is a lot of the times when I was first, like maybe the first five, six years or seven years, probably the first seven years I was would kind of know that I'm throwing you into the field a bit if I know what comes next. But maybe should I tell them or should I just let them go? Because what's going to happen is they're going to fall into the field and then they're going to go into the field. They're going to go into the battleground of this big dream and then they're going to be hit over the head, the big dick of life. And it's going to be sending all the resistance and saying, excuse me, do you really want this is. This is the energetic fitness test for the big dreams. And do you have the character capable of holding this? It's just going to hit you from every single angle. And the bigger the dream, the more intensive the process.
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A
I was going to say the bigger the dicks. Right?
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B
I like that. The bigger the dream, the bigger the dicks the universe is going to hit you over the head with.
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A
I see.
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B
I think this is from Landman. That line is like, how's your Monday going? I don't know.
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The.
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B
Just the God hitting me over the head with his big dick. It was just the funniest one anyway. That's why I can't shut up about it now. It's just in my head. But I see people going through to these things and oftentimes same things with words of the year. So it kind of brings me into like that word of the year. That's probably the best experience of me now. I know it's. I'm on my 13th year of publicly declaring a word, and I know how it goes with certain words. And, and I used to not say anything to anybody about the word that they choose. And then I see them and I will. If they're a client and they've asked for my opinion, I'll tell them. I'll let them know that. That if that's your word of the year, growth, be prepared. Are you ready? Do you want a year of growth? Because you're going to get hit over the head by the universe's big digs every single step of the way. You ask him for it. You literally are asking for the universe to have its way with you. If you're asking for growth. Sometimes it's the moment, sometimes it's, it's, you know, that that's what it needs to be. My word of the year of 2025 is I broke my cardinal rule and I set the word hyper growth, hypergrowth. And I have said forever. Don't set the word growth because you're going to know about it. Don't set the word congruence because you're going to know about it. Everything in your life that's not congruent is going to strip away. You've got to be really sure when you set your word of the year because you are setting it up for. I'm asking for it. You are literally asking for it. So you've got to be really sure that that word. Do you want that to come at you? Because you're going to have whatever word it is, you're going to get the experiences that have that come true. And so before, I wouldn't really say anything, but then I would watch them kind of like go into the battlefield and be like, now I'm picking up the pieces because I'm the mentor with this word that they set or this big dream that they set. And it's not so much picking out the pieces. It's if I can pre frame that this could happen and not as a fear, as what are we going to do and what it happened when it starts to happen, the sabotage after a big dream. Because most of us go, no, that's not going to happen to me, Jenna. I'm not going to sabotage this big dream. But then the big dream happens, or you have your first 100k month, or you have your first big win or whatever it might be. You have your best day ever in your business and you're like, I'm not going to sabotage this. This is just so me. Next day, boom.
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Yeah.
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And if you knew that was coming in a way that wasn't negative expectation or dread. It wasn't dread. It was more curiosity. Because if you rebrand sabotage for yourself is. It's acclimation, you know, okay, I'm acclimating now. You can just settle into it a bit more, knowing it's a part of the process. It's not. You're not unusual. You're very not. And that can annoy a lot of us big dreamers. It's like, this is normal, you know, like, I don't want to be normal, but at the same time it neutralizes it. And it's not. You're not having this experience that nobody else has. You're not having a. There's nothing wrong with you in this sabotage. And you can really, actually just be in the experience. Just go, okay, I'm acclimating. Like everybody else that climbs Everest is acclimating at those different levels and require weeks and weeks and weeks camping, acclimating, getting used to it.
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It.
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And you're in that process and you're just in that.
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A
So, yeah, that was such a. A powerful moment for me when I heard you say that, and I can't remember when I heard you say it maybe two or three years ago, but it was just like, just hang on. When you feel like you're sabotaging, it's just like, hang on for dear life. Take a lie down, just breathe through it. Because it's just different and it feels different, but so it should be. Because a big dream is a. Is something that you've never had before, you've never realized in reality. So it is going to be feeling very, very different and strange. I love that.
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B
Yeah. Everything about it is making you want to get it off you. So in sabotage, it's like, get this off me. This is unknown. This is unusual. This is not who I am. And so everything that you have been, all the parts that make you, you get dismantled in sabotage. Because now that's not you. You can't be like, I'm the underdog because you win. You can't be. I'm the little London that could. Because you now win. And so everything in you wants to revert to your identity that you were and that you have been, instead of rising to the occasion of the next one. And what's that going to take and what does that mean for you? And are you going to change? And there's Just a lot of questions that go in that time. And just there's just this default setting that we did. Everything in us wants to go back to being the underdog, being underestimated. It's different for everybody. Those are probably my biggest ones is. Is that were really challenged when I was first making my millions is you're no longer the underdog and people don't like you anymore because you're not the underdog. They're not rooting for you anymore. That's a big thing in Australia is like, if you're not the underdog, people aren't rooting for you. They only root for you if the underdog and you're underestimated. But as soon as you win, you're done.
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A
You're done. Yeah. So what's your year for the. I mean, I know your. Your word for 2026, but what is your word so that our audience can hear what your word for 2026 is.
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B
It's funny because not one year have I ever set a word that's primarily around wealth at all. I've said rise up. I said, becoming, dream bigger, effervescent, sunny, next level. But not once have I sent anything about abundance or wealth. And I am an advocate of what the word is, is what you want it to be. And a lot of my words have come through almost like an acceptance of this is the word that it is. And I'm rising to the occasion. And this is the first time that I've really gone at the end of the year, what do I want it to be? Because I know how strong the word is. And I'm. I feel like after a decade of doing them, I was just doing it out of habit. In his terms of. It's all becoming, it's all healing, it's all rising. It's rising and congruence and becoming. And it's process and it's hypergrowth. And it's all like, I'm in the process. I'm in the process now in my 40s. It feels like you created so much in your 30s through these words of the years of the growing, of the healing, of the elevating, of the levitating, of the congruence. You created so much by being in the work. You've now done your work. You get to live in the manifestation of that. And so opulence became right and well through. It was like, it's time journal. You've done your damn work. It's time to set a word of what you actually want, because you don't need to be in the work anymore. You will always be in the work. But there was such a becoming energy of the first, like that decade of the 10 years of setting them the becoming. And then the ones after those years were sunny spark. So getting the spark back, getting the sunniness back, and then hyper growth. And then for this year, I'm like, I don't require any more growth. I'm done. It's opulence. So wealth through my works of art. And I've literally only just realized that I have never set any word, so I'm excited to see how this goes, but I've never set a word that is directly related to abundance, wealth, free spirit of money, whatever it might be. This is the first time, so this is going to be extraordinary. Wealth through my works of art is opulence.
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A
Do you know, I look at you and I already see you as opulence. You know, you have created wealth through your works of art. You know, your, your work, you know your body. We talk about bodies of work. You know, your programs, your courses, your books, they are your works of art. What you, the content that you put out online is always so beautifully created. And you are already, you know, that wealthy. You're living that beautiful, wealthy life life, which is to me everything in terms of your gorgeous husband Mark. You've got your really healthy, gorgeous, beautiful children. You live in the most beautiful places. It's just like you are opulent already. So I'm kind of almost really, really excited to see what's, what's beyond opulence. When you accept it, that you have it, it'll be really interesting.
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B
Yeah, it's like allowing yourself to live in the manifestation of what you've created versus like always working towards, working towards. And I think that makes it more. Yeah, it's like opulence is living in the manifestation of what I've already created. Like the opulence is taking it to another level. There's always new levels to take it. And it's almost like an embodiment of what was created in that decade versus let's just keep growing. Let's just keep hyper growing or getting your spark or it's done. It's complete opulence. Living in the manifestation, experiencing what I've created is. Will bring through even more wealth through works of art.
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A
Yeah, I love that my word came through. I know I said, I told you the other day on, on our call what mine were. And then you did a meditation in belief ethics. I can't remember which day it was. The other day, and I was listening to it and another word came through and I was totally resistant to it. I think I've told you in our chat, it's like, it's wild. I was like, I am so not wild.
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B
You are so wild to me. That's so funny because I just saw your. What, give us so wild. Wild. I. I love that. It's like trying on a new part of your personality for size and realizing what you already are or already have been. I feel like there's wildness in you that maybe hasn't been getting enough air time.
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A
Well, and I agree, and I think it goes back to kind of some of the polarizing. But when I think about wild, I think about wild and crazy and unprofessional and untamed, and no one will listen to me or take me seriously. So I think that's maybe where I've got the resistance existence for it. But when I looked up the etymology, it was all about being wildly passionate. And I was like, well, I'm definitely passionate and I'm definitely eager. So it was my interpretation of the word that was wrong. So it's like, yes, I can be wild with passion. That's fine. I can. I can. I can embrace it that way. So going through your process was hugely helpful for me to say. Okay, my soul knew the word. My soul told me it's time to be wild and passionate and carefree with what I want to say.
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B
Well, that's exciting, I think. I think you get like, a certain moment in your life where you realize there's a part of your personality that you've been putting on ice and maybe hasn't had an opportunity to come through. I'm sure wild is not probably something you want to bring through too much in a corporate space. It's the habits that we have about putting parts of our personality on ice and then going like, oh, this is fully welcome here. I can fully bring this through. It's even for me with writing, it's the ideas and the programming you have around what it means to be that kind of person. And I think I even got caught up in. I write really deep work that doesn't really look like or match my personal brand, but it's what comes through me. And to me, sometimes in your personal brand, you're trying to make it something that it isn't or trying to make it something that matches what people would expect, be expected. And the more sophisticated I make my brand to kind of match the sophistication of my writing because it's quite sophisticated and advanced in the book writing that you try to make it match it but it's like, but that's not it. It's not what it is. I am who I am and I write what I write and it made it such a juxtaposition of but that's me and it's really accepting like this is who I am and not trying to make it look like or be like what you would be expected, what people expect to see and just let it be what it is. And that's like the essence of personal branding.
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A
I was going to say that just ties so beautifully into me brand. Can you talk to a little bit about your, your bodies of work? I know that people are going to love listening to you today and if they want to come in and experience you like I have, how can they. Can you talk a little bit about how they can come and find you and experience you?
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B
Okay, so we got belief addicts, me, Brandon, figure seven. So you're in figure seven because you've gone through belief addicts and then me, Brandon, figure seven. That's the ascension. So belie addicts is we reprogram the subconscious beliefs, we, we rise to the occasion and seems like really that work that gets us to take the action. There's nothing else like it. As in if you're just going through the motions every single day, you're going to be taking actions in the way that you've always taken them and you've got to be really in your head. And belief addicts actually gets you to think the thoughts that are going to have you write or create the perfect marketing, the perfect sales, the perfect pitch, the perfect brand, say the right thing in the right way, coming from you, coming from the beliefs that are in sync with what you want. So you have the big dream, then the beliefs get to match that big dream. And when your big dreams and beliefs are complete in match, that's when the magic happens. It's a attunement, it's peace and harmony with that big dream. Because otherwise there's this big dream that you have that I'm going to have a million dollar business or I'm going to get fit and healthy, whatever the big dream is. And then the belief is I have to sacrifice. And then if your values do not align with that, if your values are I want to have balance or I want to show up in my life in a really big way, I want to be involved, I want to be present, then you're going to not let yourself achieve that big dream because your beliefs are, well, if I do achieve that big dream that I have to sacrifice. But if you start to go, the more fun I have, the more likely I'll achieve the big dream. If the more in love with my life I am, the more more free my content will be, or the more I'll know exactly what to do in the way that I want to do it, the better my relationships will be. And then you'll rise to the occasion and you'll get those beliefs to be in match. And then everything you say, everything you do, every action you take is going to be in sync with that big dream. So it happens faster and it also happens more in sync with your values. And so you allow it to snowball, you allow it to have a butterfly effect, you allow it to get bigger. So that is the big dream thing.
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A
Belief ethics, which I love because I love to listen to you in the car and I often speak out loud as you're guiding us through because it's very workshoppy, isn't it? It's very much we're in the moment, we're doing it together, we're all speaking out loud through the process of belief ethics, which I adore. And then there's me brand. Me brand was life life changing, changing for me. It was just incredible.
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B
I, I'll sit here and listen all day to you love about me breath.
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A
It was exactly what you said a minute ago. It's allowing yourself to be all parts of you in a business brand. And you went on your bandwagon this week and I love the post that you talked about. It's not a business brand, it's a personal brand. And that's what makes personal brand brands so exceptional. Especially when we're talking about what we do and serve in the service based kind of elements of me brand. Personal branding is life changing for not only just us. I think it's life changing for anybody who comes into contact with us because it's a full permission step to be yourself and in so doing so allowing other people to be themselves too.
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B
It takes so much work too because you think you're being yourself and then you, you wake up one day and your word of the year is wild and you think, but that's not me. I love how I'm gonna say that. And then you wake up one day go, excuse me, that's not who I am. Is that not who you are or is you have put it on ice for a while because it wasn't accepted in places you were showing up or in your brain, it's not acceptable to show up in that way. So for me, I have an idea about what a writer that writes, the depth that I write, what it would look like. And so then my brain gets all brainy and goes, yes, we shall show up very sophisticated versus raw dog. And I, in 2026, the Internet is not going to know what hit it because there is. I have an openness to my energy. I have a very learning mentality. I have a very. Yeah, you're right with that. Yes. And I also see that. I also see why authority is important. I also see why there's credibility is important to bring into the content. I see how ideal customer Avatar is important. I see how all these and I don't believe in a single one of them for a personal brand anymore at all. Forever and ever. Amen. I see the other side, but that is a business brand. And so in 2026, there is no if, buts or maybes about personal branding. It is either personal brand or you have a business brand. Go and do business branding things. Use your head. That is what you'll need. Because you're just going to need your head and your brain and logic and it will grow. But in 2.5 years, you'll have to burn it down because it's not you. It is manufactured. It is not you, it is manufactured. And the problem is that if this is your life's work, it gets to be. It has to be, it needs to be. It wants to be a personal brand, a personal brand. If you put a business brand in your life's work, you put your business brand around your life's work and you make it act and quack and be and do what the business brand expects of it and wants it to do. You'll be in circus monkey vibes and you will burn out in 2.5 years, guaranteed. Or you will lose your love of it. And what a tragedy to lose your love of your life's work. The thing you have embodied, the enthusiasm you have for it. It's like if you're a craftsman or a craftsman in his shed building woodwork and then because he has to make a certain way for everybody and he doesn't let his creativity go wild, in 2.5 years, he's not going to be running that business anymore. He's going to be burnt out and he's going to want to just throw and burn. He's going to burn the whole shed down because he's lost his love of his life's work. Because he hasn't let the life live through it. And so locking in as a personal brand is living in it, being fully in it. So it's just fully, completely raw dogging it from every single level, your personal brand. Because then you have the benefit of the personal brand that gives to you. It is life giving it. You are on purpose. And so there's like a universal God given situation that happens when you are fully raw dogging your personal brand is it's going to live through you and people are going to be like, how is it working? It makes no sense. You literally just show up on the Internet with your yacht photo or you show up on the Internet with your flower photo or you show up on the Internet with your just pretty pictures and then here's me brand by now. Like, how does that work? Because people know you inside out, upside down, round and round, you say what you want to say and don't have to think about it so much. So you create more, you pass more on instead of just holding it all in and just going, this needs to be more credible. This needs to be more authority. We need to bring authority to this, this, if it's ever about them for you, it's a business brand. If you're like, I'm going to create this for this customer, I'm going to say these psychological triggers for this buyer. You're out of personal brand territory and you can't call it a personal brand. And that's what I'm committed to saying in 2026 because so many people are kind of bastardizing personal branding with a business brand. And as soon as it's ideal customer avatar, you're not doing a personal brand, you're doing a business brand. And that's okay, do that. Personal branding is, it's you being as you as it can be. It's saying what you want to say. It's expressing yourself in the way you want to say it. It's showing us your Christmas parties. It's showing us you having a wine at sunset. It's showing us you, I don't know, doing things that we would not expect. And the more unexpected, the better. It's you in the car, it's you racing, it's you with your dogs in there while you're having a podcast. It's, it's that, it's life. Is it laughing through you.
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A
It's, I think what I'm hearing you say and I love it when you get on a bandwagon. It's the, it's the just you Being you. It's not manufacturing what you think people want you to be, isn't it? It's just, this is me. It's just me with my crazy hair. And I think that's one of the reasons why I loved and wanted to work with you is because it's like, we don't have to have our hair all perfect. It was just like, as I am.
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B
My hair is like a client machine. Apparently, I get so many. Like, one of my clients, she's paid me 70k and she's like, it's just your hair. I just wanted to brush it. I just love the way that you just have your hair. It's just like. It means brushing. I brushed it today for you. Ali actually did.
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A
I didn't brush it. Oh.
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B
I just felt like brushing it today. It just. When I feel like it, I just do it.
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A
So me brand for your personal brand. If you've heard Jana kind of, like, speak about what a me brand, a me brand, and a personal brand is, my experience of me brand was wonderful because it gave me structure and a framework for me to allow myself to flow through. And how do I bring all the very many parts of me and put it in a way that I can make and generate an income from it. That's what I loved. It was like, do this, do this, do this, do this in this way, but bring your own way. So it was a framework for me to flow through, which was a perfect foundation for how I wanted to bring joy forward. And I also think, think, you know, I love human design as well. And I'm in line three, six. So it was a wonderful way for me to play with it as a three, six, get in the field, play with it all, see what works, what doesn't work, and allow myself to play. So that then when I'd done that for 12 months, I knew exactly what worked and what didn't work for me and for my audience. And then that was like, okay, now I've got the foundation. Now I know what I'm doing. Let's keep building. And then it was like, and now I need figure seven, because I always want Jana to come and have eyes on it and help me go through what I knew was not necessarily the strategic side. It was more of like, I know what I'm doing. I need someone to hold me through what I know is about to hit the big dicks. I need someone to hold me through the big dick moments.
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B
Yeah. And because it intensifies, the bigger you go and the more like, this is going to be a million dollar business. You get days where it's like, I don't care about money. And then it's bringing you back into the rising to the occasion that you set yourself. And let's reformulate meanings that have you take action in a way that moves it keeps moving it forward instead of the stop start, stop start, stop start. But yeah, I love. It's like once you're in the field, having somebody there supporting you that you can call upon, be like, I'm in it. This is what's happening. And that's what Figure 7 is. It's for being in the field of like, you've figured it out, you figured out your flow and you now know what you need to do. But you know that you're going to need support for that or want support or desire support, because you can either do it yourself or you can have just somebody in your back pocket. Like, that's there for you when you're hitting all the roadblocks, because otherwise you just sit with them and you, like, try to get yourself through them. But you can have somebody there that has been there before, knows what you want as well, so can help you to rise to the occasion you set yourself.
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A
Yeah, I've loved it. Thank you.
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B
I love having you in there.
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A
You're welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Donna, how can people get in touch with you?
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B
They can go to my Instagram because that is a whole energetic situation. Just go follow me there and if the vibe is vibing, then come buy things that are in the links.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Or in the dms, but probably me brand. But just go to my Instagram, get a feel, get a vibe for it. That is the best way to see me in a bottle. Genie in a bottle.
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A
As a me brand, as a personal brand, as a me brand, totally embodied. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. Happy New Year. Have an opulent one.
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B
Thank you so much for having me.
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A
Thank you. My mission is to spread love, joy, peace and abundance to as much of the world as I possibly can so that every person knows that they don't have to walk alone in their darkness. So if you've enjoyed today's podcast and this episode, I would be so honored and happy if you would support my mission and share this with your network work, your friends and your family. Please feel free to leave me an honest review on Apple or Spotify. And until next time, remember, the ripple of joy starts with you.