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Friendship Drama Is Real! with Courtney Michelle - CHIT CHAT WEDNESDAY - The JTrain Podcast w Jared Freid
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Jared Freed
Chit Chat Wednesday for you to listen to. I have a guess who will be your new boo. You're gonna love them too. Chit Chat Wednesday. I hope you're having a good day today. I hope it's gonna be a perfect week too. I hope you have a nice poo. It's a ch. Chitchat Wednesday too. Hello and welcome to the J Train Podcast is a Chit Chat Wednesday. And today we have a new guest, Courtney Michelle. Courtney is on the road doing her one woman comedy show where she's singing and she's doing comedy and she's doing sketches. And it was really a nice conversation. We talked about moving to LA and being an actress and auditioning. And then we play a game called Friend or Foe because Courtney has become known for doing these videos online about your friend who she does a lot of, like, sketches where it's your friend who does this, your friend who does that. So I bring up scenarios where she has to decide if this person is a friend or they are now a foe. And that's a lot of fun. And she was great. And you should all go support Courtney Michelle and go follow her and go to her show if you're going to be in. She's doing a lot of major cities, Atlanta, Chicago. I go over it on the show. So enjoy today's episode. Boom. Hello and welcome to the J Train Podcast. Is J Train Jared Freed coming to you live from Delray Beach, Florida? That's right, every Wednesday is a Chit Chat Wednesday where I sit down with a comedian, a friend, an expert. I'm here with two of them. We are not friends yet because we are just meeting over this zoom right now. But they are a comedian, an expert in girlhood, I believe, because she is on tour right now doing her show across this great country of ours. It is called Girl Wind Whirlwind of Girlhood. Courtney Michelle, thank you for coming on the show.
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Courtney Michelle
You crushed it. Thank you so much for having me.
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Jared Freed
And you're in Nashville right now.
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Courtney Michelle
I am currently in Nashville.
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Jared Freed
How is Nashville? Because you're on tour. You're going to Nashville tonight. So I'm sorry, everyone, you missed out. And Chicago, Atlanta, Austin, la, go to Courtney Michelle on Instagram and all of the social media. I'm sure it's at court, Courtney Michelle, everywhere you can find it. What is. How's Nashville? What do you like to do in Nashville? Have you been before? What's the deal?
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Courtney Michelle
I live in Nashville.
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Jared Freed
You live there.
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Courtney Michelle
So I'm here now and I'm staying here and we. The roots are down. I was a pandemic transfer. And so I like it. There's. There's country music.
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Jared Freed
Where did you move from?
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Courtney Michelle
There's trees. From la.
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Jared Freed
From la. And are you. Where are you from originally?
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Courtney Michelle
I am from West Virginia originally.
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Jared Freed
Have you heard of what was the Plan in la? I've heard of West Virginia. I've driven through the Panhandle. That was like a 20 minutes of my life. That was like. I remember I. We were driving from Pennsylvania. I went to Penn State. We're driving to Ohio State to go to a football game. And I remember we passed through the Panhandle, which I didn't even know there was a panhandle of West Virginia. And it's like a 20 minute drive through the Panhandle. It's like a very thin part of the state. And I remember it was like very dark and spooky and I was like, I don't need to see the rest of West Virginia. I'm good on it. I'm sure it's a beautiful place. But I was like, for some reason, that 20 minutes really haunted me. Really, really hit me in the soul.
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Courtney Michelle
Yeah. Crowning achievement of being, like, one of the highest opioid overdose states. So what you were feeling was death, quite frankly.
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Jared Freed
Okay.
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Courtney Michelle
But it was. It's. But there are very beautiful portions of West Virginia. There are.
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Jared Freed
I'm sure. Well, it's like the Hunger Games. It's like where Katniss would be from.
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Courtney Michelle
Yes, it did. Yes, there is poverty. There is. But amazing people. Great pepperoni rolls. Fantastic.
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Jared Freed
What's a pepperoni roll?
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Courtney Michelle
Thank you so much for asking. I was fishing. It is like a stromboli, but it's just pepperoni and bread and cheese, and you kind of just bake it into this little. I don't know.
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Jared Freed
So it's like a calzone. I think I heard of this. I think I saw a video where they sell them in the gas stations.
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Courtney Michelle
Yeah, they're all. They're all over. It's. It's. Yeah, they're pride and joy.
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Jared Freed
So you. You leave West Virginia to go to la. What's the plan?
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Courtney Michelle
I did a little brief stint in Miami first, which kind of warmed me up.
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Jared Freed
Okay.
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Courtney Michelle
And then la. We were trying to be an actor. We were trying to be, you know, the next.
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Jared Freed
You and your many personalities. We would. Who. Who's yourself?
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Courtney Michelle
Just, just the general. We as a public. Yes. I, I as a human being.
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Jared Freed
Okay. I wasn't. Did you go with, like, a significant other? I wasn't sure. Okay, so you go la?
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Courtney Michelle
I went so alone and I felt it.
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Jared Freed
How old were you?
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Courtney Michelle
Big city? I was 24 when I moved there. Yeah. Which is a great age to be delusional. I really milked it.
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Jared Freed
And you go out to LA and you want to be an actor and have you, you, you like do the audition thing is that, what year is this?
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Courtney Michelle
We do all the things. Well, thank you so much for not taking a guess. It was 10 years ago, but no, it was great. I mean, I still audition. I still, I love acting. It's great, but it's, you know, it's just not very autonomous. There's just like, you have to like, kind of wait for people to give you opportunities. Have you, have you done la? Have you lived in la?
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Jared Freed
I've never lived in la. I kind of, you know, comedians do this thing where if they're doing stand up in New York, they have this delusion that, oh, I'll go to LA if it beckons for me. And I think that happens a lot with stand ups, where they go, I want to do stand up and I want to get good at it. So they'll do it in New York. And then if L. A, if there's an audition that I get called in for, if I'm thought of, if I'm perfect for a part, I'll go to LA and that's where I'll have to move. Only if I have to go there. And you realize it's pretty delusional because you're like, there's people there auditioning every day. And you know, in what world, you'd have to really like, kind of strike it rich on a lotto ticket to be thought of that way to do a show in la. But then the way shows are going now, you know, now there's this thing of la. I mean, you're kind of proof of it. Going to Nashville, you know, you go, you know, there's, you can do these things from everywhere, anywhere. But maybe that's just a, you know, I don't know, I, I don't know, I get, I'm looking at this, you know, I, I, so, I mean, I, you go to LA and you're doing stuff there and then. Do you do music because your show has music to it?
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Courtney Michelle
Yeah, no, I don't do music. I, I do like, I like to incorporate music and comedy, but I'm not like pursuing, I'm not trying to be, you know, Ariana Grande was the first person I thought of, but there's no.
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Jared Freed
That'S who we all think of first.
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Courtney Michelle
When it comes to. We all think of. That's not the path. But I do love music as like a genre of entertainment.
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Jared Freed
Okay. Because I, I mean, I saw a little piece of the show, was great and super funny. Yeah. And I saw the video of you singing. But this. So I would think this is a singing show.
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Courtney Michelle
Oh, that's so funny. But it's like a sixth of the show involves music.
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Jared Freed
What are the other five? Sixth of it.
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Courtney Michelle
I can do me. I can reenact the whole thing right now.
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Jared Freed
Do the whole show. Well, because I was wondering, what's the show? Because it seems as though I, and I, I'm, I'm, I'm looking at your account, what you put out there, and it's, it's there, There's a meme that you're doing over and over again. It is.
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Courtney Michelle
Tell me, what is it? Tell me.
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Jared Freed
The friend who.
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Courtney Michelle
Sure. Yes. For the most part. That's just how I've started to like title things. But yeah. Yeah.
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Jared Freed
Okay. So you're doing impressions of friends that people would have and be annoyed with. Is it just some people?
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Courtney Michelle
But yes, but yes. I think that the friend moniker kind of adds a relatability to it. So you can either be the friend or have the friend.
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Jared Freed
Right. I, I mean, I don't. None of the people I would want to be for sure. The friend who's the bad packer, the friend who's judgy of you and the friend who stinks at the barbecue. The friend. Well, I, I, I, I get it.
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Courtney Michelle
You also are. But you also are. We're. No one's perfect. We all are shitty people in moments. Look at this horrible person that I've been once or twice, but I would never own to it. But I can laugh at it now, knowing that maybe.
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Jared Freed
Right. I would assume someone would send your stuff to someone where they would be like, oh, my God, this is so. Someone else we've talked about.
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Courtney Michelle
For the most part. Yes. For the most part. That is the vibe or a situation that is excruciating. But a lot of it is when I've talked about it, like, people are like, where do you get your ideas? Or whatever it is? A lot of the situations are situations that I have. Like, the people are things that I've done.
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Jared Freed
Like, have you ever gotten in trouble with someone that they've been like, you just did me.
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Courtney Michelle
I've had people be like, is this, is this about me?
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Jared Freed
Which one?
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Courtney Michelle
I don't remember. And I wouldn't Say because I lie. And I go, no, of course not.
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Jared Freed
Of course you have to lie. Like, I mean, I. Listen, I, I've. I've done podcasts for 30 years. No, I've done podcasts for, like, a bunch of years now. And I, you know, people, you know, I go, you go on dates. Am I going to be the subject of a day, of a podcast? Am I. Am I going to come up in your act? I'm sure you get that. But then sometimes I've had people, I've made fun of things, and someone's been like, is this about me? And I'm like, yeah, you nailed it. Like, I, I. And then I end up talking them about it. Like, I end up saying like, yeah, you did. That is something. And I've. I've all. And I've never, I've never felt good about that. But it's like I, I go, yeah, I mean. Got me.
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Courtney Michelle
It's for the greater good, though. Sometimes we tell ourselves, I don't know if we knew.
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Jared Freed
Are we meant to hear these things? I don't know.
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Courtney Michelle
I'm sure not. For sure not. You try to try to shield your friends from it or whatever, but, like, I think there's two versions about it. There's like, hey, there's this prickly thing about this person that is funny just observationally. And then there's like, oh, this woman's vagina smelled like a tiger den when I went down on her.
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Jared Freed
I mean, I wouldn't. I mean, that's something I would hope I wouldn't do. You know, like, maybe younger, I would have, like. I don't know. I mean, I don't know.
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Courtney Michelle
That's way worse. I feel like then, just observationally, this is like an occurrence that has happened that might be funny to talk about, but isn't gonna, like, damage someone.
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Jared Freed
Yeah, that's not for the goal. Like, I, that's, that's the, that's the problem is, like, I, I understand. You know, when you do these things, you're like, oh, that's funny. And it's like you're after, like, I want people to relate to it, but then there's someone you're relating about. You know, like, the better the bit, the more real, you know, the more real it is, the better the bit kind of thing.
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Courtney Michelle
Oh, it has to be so specific, too. What's one that you regret saying? Either it could have just been like, you know, testing it out or.
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Jared Freed
I don't really regret. You know, I remember when I started talking about my family on stage, I did a lot of bits about, like, my mom and dad, and they were real stories. And then when my parents came to the Cellar in New York and, like, I'm friendly with the same staff there, they were all like, have they seen it yet? I'm like, they lived it. What are you talking about? There's nothing to hide here. And I remember they were in the crowd, and I'm, like, talking about my mom. I think I'm telling the story. And the, Like, I could see the manager, the wait staff, they're all, like, looking at me, looking at my parents, looking at me. And then my mom starts yelling, no, no. She starts yelling out, no. Because she has her version of it. And I'm. I love the audience. I go, that's my mom. She's disagreeing with this because she's. And it's like. And she's disagreeing in the way of, like, well, no, I. Here's why I did that. Like, and that ended up being fun. But that. That's a story I have.
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Courtney Michelle
Okay. Because getting heckled by your mom is probably the worst.
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Jared Freed
No, because I. I know who it is, and I know what she's upset about. Like, I. I mean, with a heckler, I don't know what their interpersonal demons are that I've touched, you know, that. Or what alcohol made them, you know, going away. Like, you don't know what they're thinking. I know what my mom's thinking. She's going, no, I. I meant this when I did that. And people are laughing that, you know, because I'm making fun of a mom, you know, my mom. And they see their mom in it, you know, sure.
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Courtney Michelle
It's interactive at that point, too, when she's there. But you. So you don't regret. Regret that one that was just maybe not one you would continue doing. Sounds like it went off.
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Jared Freed
I would continue. I have. I tell the truth, so. And I talk. So I have no reason to feel badly about it. Like, I'm just saying what. How I felt about in the moment. It's never. It's more meant. More embarrassing for me, probably, you know.
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Courtney Michelle
Have you always been like that, or has there ever been, like, a people pleasing part to you when it comes to.
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Jared Freed
There's definitely a people pleasing part to me, but when it comes to, like, telling the story on stage, I don't really. It's just my perspective. I mean, like, it's never meant to hurt anybody, so I don't really, like, think of it that way.
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Courtney Michelle
There's. There's a. There's a small part in this show that is kind of based around, like, my mom. Again, it's all super goofy and silly, but there is, like some mom stuff in it. And my mom came to the show, we did the first show we did in Nashville to kind of test it out. And I was. I will admit, I was a little nervous, I think, because it's, like, not as jokey it's got. So there was like a lot of jokes too, but there's also, like some realness to it I wanted it to feel.
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Jared Freed
What's the subject matter?
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Courtney Michelle
I guess, like, it's a. So this story, to answer your question from 65 minutes ago, the show is like a sketch show, but it's like sketches that kind of follow this one girl through girlhood to womanhood. Okay. Like different variations of things. And there's like singing at the end, but there's like a. There's one in the middle where she's kind of an annoying teenager talking to her mom. And it's just kind of how teenage girls are just absolute to their mom. That's kind of a through line throughout. And at the end, it's kind of realizing that you've become your mother, realizing that it's okay that you become your mother and that maybe it's good that you became your mother, like, finding the good parts of it. And I think it was that little brush up of like, oh, God, I've become my mother. My mother like, fucked me up or in some capacity. That little tiny part that we broach in the show, again, it's so tiny and silly. But I was like, oh, God, is she gonna be upset that. That I've laid this out a little bit? And she wasn't. She was great. Very self aware. But I think just that those parts more.
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Jared Freed
Right. You almost have to trust that they see the love in it. And not that you were like looking to just crack on them and. And say, you know, I'm saying you're up is like, you know, that's. Everyone is. You know, it's not like you can take that as I up or you can take it as like, this is the, you know, the who I am and I'm happy to be who I am, that type of thing. Which is nice. I mean, and I get. I get that being nervous. Like, you're like, I hope my mom can see that. Like, you know, sometimes you give feedback to parents and they're like, you're always yelling at me. And you're like, you didn't Even get. Let's have a thoughtful conversation about this. I'm not yelling at you. I'm just telling you how I feel in this moment. So, yeah, you're doing this show. It's a six part. So it's a sketch play.
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Courtney Michelle
Yeah, it's like a. It's like a shitty play.
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Jared Freed
There's like, not a shitty play. I saw it. I. But I definitely. The part I saw. You're a wonderful singer. And it felt very like Rent. Like, it felt like I was at like a Broadway.
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Courtney Michelle
Like I had aids.
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Jared Freed
Yes, I got AIDS from you. From the get. From the jump. I know. It felt like you were on a play. Like you were doing. Like you're kind of like looking off to the side. And I thought, you know, like, it's like, it's very dramatic looking.
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Courtney Michelle
The end is the most. So, like. Yes, it's a bunch of like, goofy sketches. And then there's like the end gets a little more serious because she's an adult. Right. And you kind of. It starts off, if I may do a little bit of this. It starts off in the beginning, it's a little more fantastical, and then it gets kind of like more grounded and real. And then at the end it becomes a musical because she's like, found herself and she's fantastical again. Right. And again it's super light and fluffy, but in my brain, that's how I.
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Jared Freed
No, that's a. You gotta. I. I like the thought process. Like, what do you want it to become? Is there any thought of, like, taping it? Of. Of. Of pieces of it becoming something like more than just it in. In like a live performance?
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Courtney Michelle
I. I love the show. I want to continue to let it grow and let it. I almost said fester, which makes it sound like kombucha or something. But, like, I wanted to. I would love to see kind of where it goes. And I have. I have no plans for where it goes, but I'm down to ride the train forever, wherever it may go. Because I think it could. It could be anything. It could be. Yeah, you could tape it. I think it'd be a cool thing to tape. I think the energy of it being live helps a lot, so I might tweak some things, but I think there's definitely a taped version of it. I think there's like a movie version of it. Of course, you know, you go, blue sky. There's all these different versions. Because it's just the story of, I think a very relatable story of what you experience as A girl to woman.
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Jared Freed
So, okay, so girlhood. How would you define it?
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Courtney Michelle
A whirlwind, A world.
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Jared Freed
What type of whirlwind?
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Courtney Michelle
I think it's beautiful. I think it's tragic. I think it's complicated. But I think it's, in its simplicity the best. It's so funny because I just went to Florida and that's where. Is that where you live or is that just where you are?
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Jared Freed
I'm here in Delray. Living here now. Yeah.
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Courtney Michelle
Okay. I love Delray. Delray is the best, by the way. But how long have you been there?
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Jared Freed
Like a month and a half.
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Courtney Michelle
Why? Why? Why Delray, Florida?
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Jared Freed
My parents are like a half hour away. I wanted to see if I could live in Florida and still do comedy and see if all things could work.
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Courtney Michelle
Okay.
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Jared Freed
I loved Delray. Like the beach town element of it.
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Courtney Michelle
It's very beach. I shot a movie. I lived in Miami and we shot a movie in Delray. So I was there for, like, a little over a month. And I just fell in love with the vibe. The people are so cool.
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Jared Freed
It's cool. It's like, up and coming. It's funny about Del Rey. And I've. I don't know if I've said this other places, but it's. Everyone outside of Florida thinks it's old people, and everyone inside of Florida thinks it's young people.
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Courtney Michelle
Sure.
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Jared Freed
So it's like it's somewhere in the middle, you know, it's like. I think like that kind of like, makes it fit perfectly for me. At 40, I'm sitting here, I'm like, I. You know, there's the avenue where, like, all the drinking and restaurants are, and you're like, I see why people think it's so young, but I. I've never really. It's not like I'm walking around being like, oh, the. Like. I thought New York City was felt way younger. Like the West Village felt way younger on a Saturday night.
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Courtney Michelle
But is that where you came from?
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Jared Freed
I was in Manhattan, yeah.
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Courtney Michelle
Okay.
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Jared Freed
I was in New York, you know, for a while, and then seeing if it can work. I like Florida, but, you know, it's. It's like a. Let's test this out and see if it can work, you know, like, if I can go on the road and.
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Courtney Michelle
Do stand up, that'd be amazing. And I feel like I. I feel like this is such a cliche thing to say, but when you can be among, like, outside any sort of industryness of it, I feel like you get better fodder.
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Jared Freed
Yeah. I don't know. I, I, no, New York is enough, you know, I, I think LA can be kind of like, it's a LA is a lot of that, you know, like, to me, like, New York was always fine as far as, like, you know, talking to real people and not talking to someone about, like, sure, what's the plan with your career? Like, that feels like a very LA conversation to me. Like, it's like, you know, here, if, you know, you find more people. New York, you, if you meet someone doing something different, you kind of go, oh, yeah, different things happen here. Oh, I'm a chef. I'm a comedian. Oh, really? Oh, what's the scene like? There's a scene for everything in New York, I think in Florida, you know, when you do comedy, it's like you run into a lot more like, like, people are like, okay, sure, but, like, what do you really do? You know, like, it's not even, like, thought of being a real career, which is, like, interesting in itself, but, yeah.
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Courtney Michelle
I mean, I feel like that's also any job, like, that comedy act.
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Jared Freed
Well, when I asked if you're a musician, like, in Nashville, people kind of, like, want to make, it seems like people want to make sure you don't think. Because, you know, real musicians, I'm sure.
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Courtney Michelle
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Jared Freed
So, like, if you, if I was like, oh, you're a singer. You kind of, like, said no right away.
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Courtney Michelle
Well, I'm not, but I'm not, I'm not a singer, but I know plenty of people who do that for.
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Jared Freed
Sing really well in this.
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Courtney Michelle
That is so nice. Please say it louder.
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Jared Freed
No, it's like, I, I, I assumed you were in a cover band or something.
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Courtney Michelle
Oh, my God. One day I think maybe I'll do like a, I don't know, like a millennial cover band. No, no. I love singing. I love music. I do it in a, in the way that I feel comfortable doing it, which is like, comedic or music. I love musical theater. All those. That's more my vibe than, like, being a pop star, country star, or whatever.
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Jared Freed
Is there talk about dating in the girlhood whirlwind adventure?
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Courtney Michelle
Are you kidding? I'm, yes. It's all, I wrote it when I was single. And so it's, there's a lot of. It is, it's about, like, the different versions of dating throughout your years and how you kind of. There's like, so it's me and there's two other characters. There's a female and a male character, and they kind of play different characters. Around the central character in each sketch. So there's, like, boy that, you know, I date throughout different versions of my life, and then there's, like, the friend that I have throughout different versions of my life. So, yeah, there's lots of you.
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Jared Freed
Were you. You wrote this when you were single? Now you're in a relationship?
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Courtney Michelle
No, I don't think so.
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Jared Freed
You wrote this when you were single?
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Courtney Michelle
Yes, I guess I. Yes, I wrote it. I was in a relationship, not in a relationship. Wrote it. Still not in a relationship. Still doing it.
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Jared Freed
Okay, so how's dating going for you? And would you add something different to the whirlwind sketches now that you've written it? And is there anything missing?
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Courtney Michelle
Oh, would I add anything to it? No, because I wrote it last year and not. Has changed. Still awful. They're probably. It'd probably be a little bit darker, to be honest, if I wrote it again today.
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Jared Freed
Okay.
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Courtney Michelle
I feel this is where. This is so funny, because I just made a video about this, which is the most cringy thing to say in the world, But I feel like I was, like, looking for a husband for so long, and I was just exhausted with that. So now I'm. I've flipped over, and I'm like, I am just. I'm having fun. I'm looking for nothing serious. And so I don't think that.
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Jared Freed
Well, that's kind of the. The lifeblood of singledom. It's like, yes, I want something. I don't want something. Do I really want it? Why am I putting effort into something I don't even know if I really want? You know, that's, like, a big part of it. And I. I think, like, women do a better job of, like, saying that out loud, you know?
- [24:11]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah.
- [24:12]
Jared Freed
As far as, like. Like, even what you're saying right now is highly relatable, I'm sure, to the female viewers and listeners, where they're like, I. I'm not even. I'm on an off. You know, the off, on, switch of it all. You know, Like, I'm just having fun. Like, I think men are generally just having fun the whole way out, and then all of a sudden, they're in a relationship and getting married. Like, I. I don't think there's, like, an on. Yeah, I've never thought of, like, being in my hoe phase. Like, there's never, like. Like, that's, like, the reductive version of it, but it's like, that's just never a thought in my mind of, like, I think a lot of men and probably why, you know, guys just generally, like, you know, again, they're. They don't seem to care that much about dating and relationships, but, like, that's probably a big part of it of, like, oh, all of a sudden, just in a relationship, like.
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Courtney Michelle
Yeah.
- [25:02]
Jared Freed
And that you're not putting too much on a date. And maybe you don't give off the energy of like, I need something to happen here or whatever. But I.
- [25:09]
Courtney Michelle
But you don't think there's like a. Are you. Are you single or in your relationship.
- [25:12]
Jared Freed
I'm single.
- [25:13]
Courtney Michelle
Do you feel like you. Do you, like, do you feel like you even think about whether or not you want a relationship or not?
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Jared Freed
I think about it because I think, like, I think, but I only think about it when I'm, like, going on the date. I'm like, what am I even doing? You know, like, it hasn't worked out in the past. Why would I believe that I'm this different person? Have I made changes to want that thing? And then I. Sometimes I want it, and then I go, and then I'm by myself and I'm like, you know, headphones on, having dinner on my own. I'm like, this is real bliss. I'm like, I feel. This is really happiness right now. And I'm like, why would I give this up? And then you get to a point where you're a little lonely, go. I guess I do. And then you, you know, you go. You get asked, you know, like, if you went on a date and the guy said to you, do you want a relationship? How would you answer that question?
- [26:09]
Courtney Michelle
I. That's so funny, because I would say I'm not closed off to it, but it's not something I'm actively pursuing right now.
- [26:16]
Jared Freed
Right. I think not the same thing.
- [26:17]
Courtney Michelle
Maybe it doesn't matter.
- [26:19]
Jared Freed
Yeah, I guess I just wouldn't say it out loud. I don't say it out loud, but I. When I hear you say it, I've heard that, you know, like, I'm just having fun right now. Like, if a guy said that, I feel like it would be looked at badly. And you'd be like, well, you're always having fun, fun. Go yourself. You know, it's like, like, that's not really, like, taken too kindly.
- [26:40]
Courtney Michelle
But I wonder why. Like, I wonder why women view it as this binary thing, like, whether we're looking or we're not looking for it. And maybe it's a defense mechanism. I don't know that I think I'm too. Too thick in it right now to Know whether or not I mean it or whether it's a defense mechanism. And if I'm just like, I'm saying, I. I'm having fun, I don't want anything actually do. I don't know, maybe.
- [27:01]
Jared Freed
Yeah. I think a lot of women have the plight of, like, having to, like, answer to whether they're trying hard enough or not.
- [27:07]
Courtney Michelle
Like, I. Yeah, sure.
- [27:09]
Jared Freed
Like, that's tough to deal with. Like, I don't really deal with that if I say I'm single. Well, are you trying. Are you on the apps? I'm. No one would really, like, push me for that answer. I think a lot of women get more pushed for that.
- [27:19]
Courtney Michelle
Sure. There might be also a personality that comes with wanting to be like a wife and a mother that feels a little more this where a man maybe wouldn't have to delineate as much. Like, maybe like. Like, you know, I went to. I went. Just went to Florida, but went to Destin, that area for fourth of July with my girlfriends and had a blast. But it was definitely a very different experience than I think a lot of women my age with children would have had in the same location.
- [27:48]
Jared Freed
And what did you guys do on the vacation?
- [27:50]
Courtney Michelle
Sorry, just got hammered. And yeah, were loud and I was on tables at one point. Like, just pretend like, I was like, it was like, college me again. And even now.
- [27:59]
Jared Freed
Get down. You're like, I'm having fun. I told you, I'm not looking for anything serious.
- [28:03]
Courtney Michelle
Exactly, Exactly. I said, get off. Get off. But, but, but then maybe I was free to do that because I'm like, I'm not looking for a relationship. And a woman who look is looking for a relationship would not get on top of a table and dance or something. I don't know. Maybe I have that weird thing that's.
- [28:19]
Jared Freed
You know, generally it's like, that's. That comes back to the old trope of like, you're, you know, when you're not looking, you, you know, you find it when you're not looking. And it's like, that's when you were your most self. You know, being on the table was like what you wanted to do. There was no thought of what will this say about me as a mother in the future? Which is like. I think that's like the. The beauty of not of no. On. Off. Switch.
- [28:44]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah.
- [28:45]
Jared Freed
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- [30:33]
Courtney Michelle
Have you ever had the thought like, oh, I should do this now because one day I'll be married with kids and I won't be able to do it. Like, has that. And not logistically. I mean, like, I'm like, no, I.
- [30:43]
Jared Freed
Have that thought, you know, I have that thought of being judged for how I'm living my single life. Like, I didn't, you know, I didn't go out enough or, you know, to me, am I having enough fun for a single guy, you know, like, oh, because your single guy friends, you know, or your married guy friends, they're kind of like, they're not complaining about their life, but they're like, you can. They ask questions with envy. They ask questions like, you know, but I'm not. I, I don't take that as they're not happy. Do you know what I mean? Like, I. A lot of times when they're like, what do you like? I talked to a guy, I was in New York a couple days ago and a friend of mine, he, he made mention of like, he was like, he was talking about how he, what he would do, he's got two kids now, what he would do to, you know, hang in the hotel room for a morning. And I was like, well, that's not what I do. Like, I wake up and I go to the gym and I nervous about the rest of my life too, you know, like, so I think this idea that, like, I think we're all stressed out about the next thing and when you have kids, it's just a different stress.
- [31:54]
Courtney Michelle
I'm sure we're all romanticizing a version of ourselves that will never and has never existed.
- [32:00]
Jared Freed
You know, I, there's like, I look at the married version. The romanticized married version of me is like, I am chillin. Like, I am like in a chair. There's a kid that runs and gets me a soda from the kitchen. I've convinced the younger kid that there's a fun game where if you make me popcorn, you win the prize, which is him getting popcorn. I have like a wife that's like, annoyed by me but thinks this is all funny, right?
- [32:31]
Courtney Michelle
The sitcom marriage.
- [32:32]
Jared Freed
Okay, well, I mean, this is how I really see it. Maybe I see the world in sitcom. I'm like, where they're like, did you make the kid make popcorn and tell them there was a prize? And they think it's funny, but they're like, what's going on here? You know, like I, I. So I don't know, maybe that's my glorified version of it all. And then she gets in on the game and she's like, she's like, okay, I'll get him to do other things, you know? You know, get the bowl for the popcorn and. Right. We'll see how much we can lie to these kids until they're kind of up. But in the fun way that you mentioned before, that you're up, you know.
- [33:11]
Courtney Michelle
I mean, this is literally, this is a sitcom episode. This is an episode of TV where that the dad starts with it and then by the end of the episode, the mom's in on it and that's the audience.
- [33:20]
Jared Freed
And then we find out that the neighbors are like, are you, are your kids getting a prize? Like they, that the ending is the neighbors being fucked over somehow by my kids who just. Yeah, the neighbors are angry.
- [33:34]
Courtney Michelle
That's what the neighbors were always angry.
- [33:36]
Jared Freed
Yeah, they're always angry. Okay, so I wanted to play a game with you before we go, but I want everyone to go follow Courtney Michelle on all the social media. Go, go, go, go to her show. I. I listen. Quite a singer. She won't admit it, but she's a great singer. She's going to be in Chicago, Atlanta, Austin, Louisiana. Those are all cities I know and love. What's the wait hold before we. What was your last date? Have you been on a date lately? What was your last date and where did you go and what did you eat?
- [34:12]
Courtney Michelle
I feel like I haven't been on like a date date in a while, to be honest with you. It's been just like a friend of a friend or like a hang. I feel like I haven't been like asked out. That's. So now I'm feeling sad. I feel like I hadn't been.
- [34:27]
Jared Freed
Everyone get your tissue boxes out. Courtney Michelle.
- [34:30]
Courtney Michelle
Pathetic.
- [34:31]
Jared Freed
It's a tear jerker episode of the JH Ran podcast.
- [34:33]
Courtney Michelle
I feel like Dakota Johnson in any movie she's ever done.
- [34:36]
Jared Freed
Did you watch the Materialist?
- [34:39]
Courtney Michelle
I did. I loved it.
- [34:41]
Jared Freed
I mean, I thought it was great, but.
- [34:43]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah.
- [34:43]
Jared Freed
You thought it was cliche.
- [34:46]
Courtney Michelle
Well, okay. I thought the beginning was I not cliche at all. Like, I loved how analytical and I also went in a little bit. I'm a little in my curmudgeon era about love, I will admit. So that's kind of the perfect movie for you. Yes. So I loved her analytical view on love and all this kind of that part of it. And then I just feel like at the end it was. I mean, Chris Evans crushed it. My. It's probably my favorite Chris Evans performance maybe ever. I thought he was so good.
- [35:15]
Jared Freed
The J Train podcast Movie reviewer. The baby listeners may know who that is. You won't know who they are, but that's our resident movie reviewer is the baby. He said the same thing. He thought this was Chris Evans's best role.
- [35:31]
Courtney Michelle
He was so. And I've never really believed him as a romantic lead before. And he crushed it, I thought. But that whole part of it I thought was very cliche. And then by the end I was.
- [35:39]
Jared Freed
Like, I thought I. I think the movie disappointed everybody, which made it a good movie. Like I. I actually think true. Like it, like it was the analytical part was too analytical for people who were romantic. I'm. We did a review on the UF Podcast. If you're a UF Podcast listener that's coming. I don't want to like get ahead of that. It's going to be out maybe this Friday, maybe whenever it comes out, it's coming. But we talked about the Materialist on the UF podcast, but I'm just figuring this out now, like I did. We did have a brief conversation, my co host there and I, about how it would. It is a depressing movie. A little bit like.
- [36:22]
Courtney Michelle
Did you see Past Lives, which was Celine's other movie?
- [36:25]
Jared Freed
I didn't see Past Lives. I, I, I know people love that movie. I, I kind of came away from the movie thinking Celine did a great job, but her own opinions got in the way of a, of a fun movie. I, that was my kind of walk away like that. She. But, but I, Again, I, I don't want to get too into my review of it, but I, I did love it. Like, I thought she, I, I thought she brought up things in dating that are really tough to hear.
- [36:58]
Courtney Michelle
She really did. She kind of poked around in there, which I thought was, was fun.
- [37:02]
Jared Freed
And do you want to be in a movie like that? Would that be like a dream of yours?
- [37:06]
Courtney Michelle
I actually auditioned for that film.
- [37:08]
Jared Freed
Did you?
- [37:09]
Courtney Michelle
I did. I didn't get even close to it. Not for what part. She was already attached. The, the woman who has the wedding and who, like, doesn't want to go through with it.
- [37:22]
Jared Freed
Kind of towards, like, the, that's, I know exactly. The, the scene that's, that, that's kind of, to me, that scene is, like, ridiculous. It's like the most ridiculous. It's like the least real scene in the movie, but it's the most fun.
- [37:33]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah, it was. I was so fun to do for an audition and I could see you doing it.
- [37:38]
Jared Freed
That's great.
- [37:39]
Courtney Michelle
I love, I loved auditioning for that. It was, I wish I would have made it even a little bit further because I was. Yeah, it. But the woman who did it was, did a, did a great job, so she was great.
- [37:49]
Jared Freed
But I, I could see. I, that's, that's very cool. Do you. Other parts. What other other parts that you audition for that you were like, there it is. I had, I did a voiceover audition for a thing and then literally I did the voiceover audition and it was, and I don't do a lot of auditions. I'm not like, in this world very much. But they were like, do this voiceover audition. And literally, like a day after I sent it in, it was already done. It was already out. And I was like, what the. Why did I do that? And then I'm like, hearing it because, Because I remember hearing it in the background. I'm going, wait, A minute I remember, why do I know this? It was like a song that I, like, had heard before. It was such a weird moment.
- [38:30]
Courtney Michelle
They do that all the time. That happened with me and Cats. I auditioned for Cats and then like two days later, it was like, Taylor Swift got the role. I go, what? There's no way that. That you don't even look at this. Like, yeah, annoying. But there's. I mean, have you done, like, movies and tv?
- [38:46]
Jared Freed
I've done one movie and it was because I was like, in the way that I said never happens is delusional. They thought of me. It was an independent film. It's coming out in the. The. It's. It's a Jewish rom com. So I was like the brother in law and I'm in it. I don't know if it'll come out. I think it's coming out. It got bought. Yeah, yeah. So whatever. But I. I was thought of. They're like, we need an brother in law and like a guy who invests in the movie like, suggested me, and that got. That got me involved. So that's the only reason. That's what I mean.
- [39:23]
Courtney Michelle
That's the thing.
- [39:23]
Jared Freed
Like, all these auditions, like, you've probably done a million of them. Like, there's a point where you go, just. Just pick who you like and let them start doing the work.
- [39:32]
Courtney Michelle
You know, it would be nice. I would love to be just plucked from. Not obscurity, I guess, from the Internet and just. She would be lovely in this role.
- [39:42]
Jared Freed
Well, listen, we want that to happen for you as well. And we're gonna tell in. In the way the world works. If you're watching or listening, go follow Courtney Michelle and get involved with her work, because that's the type of thing that makes them go, forget the audition. She's got a million followers and people love her. Let's play a quick game before you go.
- [40:00]
Courtney Michelle
Okay, let's get your.
- [40:02]
Jared Freed
You are. Go grab the popcorn. And there's a huge pro. So I. You impersonate. I'm sorry, I don't mean to reduce. I don't. I. I saw you impersonate annoying friends. That was my takeaway from the friend who does this. So I want you to decide for these specific situations. Okay. I will describe a friend, and you have to decide whether they are now still your friend or they are a foe.
- [40:33]
Courtney Michelle
Friend or foe. Okay, let's do it.
- [40:35]
Jared Freed
So this happens. Do you continue being friends with them or now are they a foe of yours? You will never speak to them again. It's Over.
- [40:44]
Courtney Michelle
Oh, it's that black and white. Okay. All right, let's do it.
- [40:46]
Jared Freed
Let's make a decision. Listen, I don't. This. This is the J Train podcast. We don't do anything, you know. You know, there's no gray here. This is only black and white. Okay, Ready?
- [40:57]
Courtney Michelle
Ready.
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Jared Freed
You're meeting a friend for dinner. They tell you a place that you should go. You get there on time every 15 minutes for an hour. They tell you they're 15 minutes away at the end of the hour, they say, you know what? I just can't make it. Do you. Are you friends with them ever again?
- [41:24]
Courtney Michelle
You can't do this to me because there's just so much more contacts I need. I have so many more followers.
- [41:29]
Jared Freed
How much more context could you need? 15 minutes for an hour, they're holding you. They're not even. They're lying to you. They're literally saying, I'll be there in 15 minutes. They just said I was on the bathroom and I was on my phone. Like, that's what they're doing.
- [41:44]
Courtney Michelle
But what if it was? I mean, do they have kids? Do they have a dog?
- [41:48]
Jared Freed
They have no one. They have no one. They're a loser.
- [41:51]
Courtney Michelle
Okay. Okay. They. So I find out. Maybe I find out later that they were just.
- [41:56]
Jared Freed
You find out later that they were on the phone with someone else that was going through something, and then they just said, you know what? It's too late. I'm out.
- [42:06]
Courtney Michelle
I'll give him. I give. Oh, God, this is so pathetic. I'll give him one more chance.
- [42:10]
Jared Freed
Okay? To me, foe out. I'll never go to dinner with you again. Okay?
- [42:14]
Courtney Michelle
That's where you draw the line. What part of it, though, is it. Is it all of it? Or is it the fact they never came? Like, if they would have came an hour, 15 minute.
- [42:22]
Jared Freed
The 15 minute. I'll be there in 15 minutes.
- [42:24]
Courtney Michelle
No redemption. Okay.
- [42:26]
Jared Freed
To me, you could have just. If we're friends enough to go get lunch or dinner, we're friends enough for you to go. This isn't going to happen. I'm a piece of shit. I would rather them cancel before on the first, I'm going to be late.
- [42:38]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah.
- [42:38]
Jared Freed
Or second, going to be late. You know what? I'm going to be way later than I initially anticipated. This is horrible. But, like, would you kill me if I'm. If I can't make it?
- [42:49]
Courtney Michelle
Okay. Yeah. So. So you have. They have 30 minutes total to be.
- [42:54]
Jared Freed
30 minutes to tell me what the fuck is going on. Yeah.
- [42:56]
Courtney Michelle
Okay. That's Fair boundary.
- [42:58]
Jared Freed
Yeah, right. Okay. You go on vacation with your friends. You have one to Destin Florida. You go to Destin Florida with your friends. Your one friend gets up on the table every night and dances and they're so drunk that every morning you have to wonder where they are and worry about them. And then at the end of the trip they say, sorry, I just got a little drunk.
- [43:32]
Courtney Michelle
This was me in college. So I really, I mean, I can't be too judgmental of it. I was evading and dancing. No, I wouldn't not be their friend. I think we'd have a conversation. I think if I really love them, I'd be like, hey, I'm glad you're having a good time. Just make sure this is coming from a place of having a good time.
- [43:52]
Jared Freed
Right. I would still be friends with them. I don't think I would worry that much about a friend who, like, we didn't wake up at our place every morning. But I would want to hear the story. They couldn't come back and go, I just met a guy. Like, I would need details. It's either you don't show up, but I get details, or you come back home and. And we know where you are.
- [44:15]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah. You know, you pay, you pay for a little bit of. I think I would worry a little bit, but you get to pay the worry to me in story. As long as you did something that was worth it, then we're aligned here. Yeah.
- [44:29]
Jared Freed
Okay, so every time you post a friend who does this video, they comment with additional punch lines you forgot to put in the video and don't like the post.
- [44:43]
Courtney Michelle
Oh, whatever.
- [44:47]
Jared Freed
You're cool with that?
- [44:48]
Courtney Michelle
Yeah, I don't give a. If they, if they wanna, they do.
- [44:50]
Jared Freed
It like 10 different times.
- [44:52]
Courtney Michelle
If they're just like adding jokes to, to the video, I don't give a. What do you mean? Why would that, why would that bother me? That bother you?
- [45:00]
Jared Freed
That would. I would never speak to that person again. Every. Every video they have to like, they can't just write, haha they. And they don't like it. So they're just like commenting, poking holes and the things that I forgot they're saying, this would have been better if it had me as an ep. Fuck off.
- [45:20]
Courtney Michelle
You are projecting really hardcore.
- [45:22]
Jared Freed
Of course. No comment. Without a, like, you're out of my life. Game over.
- [45:28]
Courtney Michelle
Okay, that is so interesting because I wouldn't give a shit. I'm like, oh, they. If they like it, I don't care. They engaged with it.
- [45:33]
Jared Freed
And I would assume that times. See you're more positive than I am. I'd be like, oh, they think that I'm not shit. They're just, like, adding on.
- [45:42]
Courtney Michelle
Oh, Jared, baby, we got to talk. Yeah, I think maybe I don't want you to lose friendships of this because I think that. I think that they probably just think you're really funny. I'm sure you get this all the time. You're a fudgeing professional comedian. Do people not. People are. When they meet you, they know this guy's really funny. Whether or not they're friends with you or not. They're.
- [46:02]
Jared Freed
This is online. This is the. To me, it's different online if. If you're at my show and you come to me and go, that was a great show. It would be weird to come up to me after a show and go, here's five punch lines for the show you just did. I just did the show.
- [46:15]
Courtney Michelle
No one's ever come up to you and. And added on to your bit and like that bit about your fucking mom, right? Like, go into the. Going to Walmart. Like Walmart, right? Like the gremlins of the universe. No one's ever, like, like, tried to engage. They're trying to.
- [46:28]
Jared Freed
Let me just assure the J Train listeners and viewers that I am not co signing that Walmart people are gremlins of the universe. That is a Courtney Michelle opinion. I do not co sign. Don't you hang you out to dry. I. So. All right, here's another one. You go to the beach with a bunch of friends. You have one friend who takes out their phone and just starts snapping pictures randomly throughout the day. Friend or foe?
- [47:04]
Courtney Michelle
Bother me. Jared.
- [47:07]
Jared Freed
Yeah. This is someone with no body issues. Okay. If you want to go to a show where someone loves their body, you can go to Courtney Michelle's show. You are my foe for life. You're not saying, hey, everybody, it's picture time. Time to suck in and get your angles. You're not warning people we're sitting at a beach shirtless.
- [47:31]
Courtney Michelle
Are they posting it or is it just. I don't know where.
- [47:33]
Jared Freed
Where's it going to go? Where are we doing these pictures?
- [47:36]
Courtney Michelle
Well, we have an unspoken my.
- [47:38]
Jared Freed
I have really good friends, Diane Furstenberg. We got to do photo shoots everywhere we go. We can't just Let this be 10 minutes at the beach where we can all let our stomachs out for 10 seconds.
- [47:49]
Courtney Michelle
No, 20, 25.
- [47:50]
Jared Freed
Let. And who cares?
- [47:52]
Courtney Michelle
I'm sure you have a beautiful stomach.
- [47:54]
Jared Freed
No, no. Who cares? No, no, we're not friends. We are. You And I. We can't understand each other. I don't even know you. This is West Virginia. Shit. I. This is. I am faux. Last one.
- [48:09]
Courtney Michelle
Okay. Hit me.
- [48:11]
Jared Freed
Okay. Okay. Last one. Friend or foe? You post a. You post a video on Instagram. A friend who does this video, you do it as a collab post with a big account. You get a message five minutes after posting from someone you thought was a close friend, but they never got in contact until now. To be like, I just saw your video. It was so funny. I love that other account you collabed with, revealing that they have muted you and this is the only way they saw your video is because the other account got involved.
- [48:59]
Courtney Michelle
You. You think too much. My God, I thought I overthought.
- [49:04]
Jared Freed
You don't think enough. Courtney. Michelle, I. I think you're being a little too nice to these friends who have muted you.
- [49:10]
Courtney Michelle
Okay, okay. If I. If I found. Maybe this is just my therapy work, I'm gonna be so honest with you. If I found out a friend muted me, yes, they would fall down to tier two because.
- [49:23]
Jared Freed
But not a foe.
- [49:24]
Courtney Michelle
Not a foe.
- [49:25]
Jared Freed
I'm sorry to interrupt. Because. Why? I'm sorry.
- [49:28]
Courtney Michelle
Because I would be like, okay, well, they don't feel. Because I've muted people that I love that I. That I. But at. At one point in my. You never. I've muted people. Not that I love. I've muted people that I really respect, but they are doing something in their career or in their life that is. That is like pushing on a wound that I just don't want to see it. But I will actively go, and I will like their posts and do stuff like that, but I can't, like, watch their stories? It, like, triggers me.
- [49:55]
Jared Freed
Doesn't it bother you that the person, hypothetically speaking, didn't think enough to go to, like, know that they muted you? So to like, not reveal themselves via this 5 minutes ago post that you did as a collab. Or maybe they just don't know enough about how Instagram works. But for them to never have acknowledged you and then suddenly you're with, you know, bozo.com as a collab post and they're like, I love bozo.com. aren't you a little offended that bozo.com is getting their love, their admiration, they're liking everything. And then you, their friend who's hoofing it in Hollywood, trying to make it in this crazy, mixed up world. They can't even give you a. Like, when they know it's your life's work. And your blood, sweat, and tears.
- [50:48]
Courtney Michelle
Okay, Courtney, I'm not these people. You. I'm so happy. You're getting so outrageously upset on my behalf.
- [50:55]
Jared Freed
I. I'm bad for you. You would have been in the materialist if it wasn't for who muted you.
- [51:03]
Courtney Michelle
That's exactly what happened. I think. I think, my God, this is so outrageous. No, I. I'm too stupid to even put. I would never. I would never. If they DM me that I'm too dumb to be like, oh, they muted me. I wouldn't put those things together. Even.
- [51:16]
Jared Freed
You're not dumb. You're a caring, nice person and a good friend. And everyone should go to Courtney Michelle's show. At Courtney Michelle. It is called Girl Wind Whirlwind of Girlhood. I do consider you a friend now. So you have had all three. A friend, a comedian, an expert. An expert on girlhood. Thank you so much for coming on the J Train podcast. This is wonderful.
- [51:38]
Courtney Michelle
Thanks for having me, everyone.
- [51:39]
Jared Freed
Go follow. I'll be back next week. Boom.