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How to Throw the Best Dinner Party with Jake Cohen CHIT CHAT WEDNESDAY - The JTrain Podcast with Jared Freid
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Chit Chat Wednesday for you to listen to. I have a guess who will be your new boo. You're gonna love them, too. Chit Chat Wednesday. I hope you're having a good day today. I hope it's gonna be a perfect week, too. I hope you have a nice poo. It's a Ch Chat Wednesday, too. Hello and welcome to the J Train Podcast. This is J Train Jared Freed, and it's a Chit Chat Wednesday where every week I have a guest. And this week I'm so excited to have Jay Cohen back on the show. He is an amazing chef and cookbook author. And today we talk a lot about hosting parties. And I, I just have to say, like, Jake is so much fun to have on the show, and it makes me so happy to see his success because we go way back and it comes up every time he's on the podcast because I'm like a, I'm like a mom. Like, I remember when you were in diapers. Like, I remember when he was doing this thing on Instagram where he would make the pasta look good in a swirl. And then we were. And, and I thought it was great. And then we were on this show together that never went on the air. We talk a little bit about that, but it is always an easy and fun time with Jay Cohen. And I want you to go get his book. In the description of this episode, you can hit the link, get the book. It looks unbelievable. Everyone needs a cookbook because especially if you want to host a party, it's all there for you. So go check out the book. Check out this episode. I love talking to Jake. Enjoy. Hello, and welcome to the J Train Podcast. This is J Train Jared Freed coming to you live and from Delray Beach, Florida. That's right, every Wednesday is a Chitchat Wednesday, where I speak to an entertainer, an expert, a friend, and today we have all three of those things. Okay? A friend, a expert in dinner parties and hosting, and I, I, I chef. Are you allowed to call yourself a chef?
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Yeah, you can go for.
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I, I don't know if that's like, you know, if you have to go to a certain, like, MBA school, you know, it's like one of those, like, chef for sure cook. I don't. I know that there. Which I did. Okay, so we have a chef. I didn't know that. This is why you're great at what you do is as after I insult you and don't know that you're a chef. But he is also a friend, a chef, and also a An entertainer because they have a new book that is out or has come out, but it's coming out September 30th. So if you're listening or watching on YouTube September 30th, we have the link to either the pre sale or, or the actual sale link. It is called Dinner Party Animal and they are already a New York Times bestseller. Jake Cohen, thank you for coming on the show.
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Hello. I love how you hedge your bets of like, whenever this comes out, it's either going to be, it's going to be out, it might be out, it might not be.
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I love the podcast game. You got to be ready for everything. You don't know when things are coming out. I want it to come out the best. What's the best way to help someone? Because I have a book, I'm writing a book. I have a book coming out. I have a book coming out. And not to make your interview about me, but I, I, no, no, no, no.
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I love that because that is literally when I tell you the strongest character trait I have is I have the power of delusion to make any single thing back to me.
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I love it. That's a tough, that's a tough podcast because it's just two people. Like so I think. But good podcast because it's like two people that are like, you know, you take the stage, pass the mic. Take the stage, pass the mic. I, I have a book coming out in June and I, it's. What is the best way to help a writer, a, a cookbook author, a chef like yourself? What is the best way to help someone? Because, and I hate help zone. I hate the word support. I'm sorry, I'm not going to even let you talk. I hate when people are like, I'm doing it for support. No, no, you have a, you have a, you have a product that you are proud of that will help someone's life. So how can they, you know, people are like, oh, how much does the book cost, Jake?
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$35.
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So people are going to take their hard earned 35 clams and from that they're going to get a book that's going to help them be a dinner party expert. It's going to help them become the dinner party person of their dreams. And let me just tell people, it has recipes, it has grocery lists, and it has a timeline, which I think is so important. It's gonna, it's gonna hold your hand. Jake is gonna hold your hand. And he's got great hands. He is a, he's moisturizing, he's got a good hand to hold and he, he's gonna hold your hand and make sure that you know what time to start cooking, what time to start prepping.
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Exactly.
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That's the, that's a huge deal with hosting. So this book really gets you through and it's got Thanksgiving. It's going to help you with Thanksgiving, bagel, brunch, steakhouse, Mediterranean. They have all different themes. So whatever theme hosting event you. So what's the best way for someone to like if they're going to buy it anyways they want to buy it. Right?
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For sure. Listen, the best way to support is to pre order because it's coming out. Either it's already out or it's about to come out and that way you already have, have it being shipped to your home. You can do it from wherever books are sold. Obviously. I always love to encourage people to like support their local indie bookstore, but like get the book, get the book.
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And I'll be Bookstore.
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Yeah, exactly. I'll be going on tour so it's like you can come to one of the events.
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What are you doing? What do you do on tour?
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So it's, it's actually I'm doing a really cool thing this year. So the main ones are going to be New York, LA and then obviously a bunch of other cities. But for New York and la, because I have just such a huge community there, I have portraits in the book of so many of my friends and family that like taste tested the recipes and many of them are coming to help moderate conversations. So in New York it's going to be my two roommates, Bej Pasek, Alex Edelman in conversation with Modi, Taffy Ackner and most likely Judy Gold and so all be on.
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What a crew. That is a very long.
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Not getting a word.
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Yeah, yeah. No one's going to be able to talk. Oh my God. Now I listen. I will say this. I, you know, when I saw that you wrote a cookbook for hosting, it made sense. I wasn't surprised because if you watch your life and see you on social media, you do host a lot. Not you know, I'm still waiting for my invite but I, I, it does look like you have this wide group and you have, you do this, this is something that you're like, it's my.
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Favorite thing in the world. It's my favorite. I think it is. The, the reason that I work is to be able to support a life of hosting.
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What do you like most about hosting?
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The connection. If food becomes his conduit for conversation. And you think of all of these. These evenings I have, where we have these discussions about life and we laugh and we cry and we. We overeat. I mean, there's a case again, there have been many tears at dinner parties. Mainly. Again, mainly positive ones. Sometimes not. Sometimes there actually is, like, it becomes a safe space for discussion. And we got. Oh, my God. I had this one a few weeks ago. Wow. We got into such a heated debate. We, like, I get it was mainly Jews. So it's like. So everyone. There were a couple of Gentiles there and they're watching us and we're kind of screaming at each other. And they honestly thought it was like the end of the friendship. And then it obviously goes. It finishes and they're like, no, no, it's fine. This is just like part of dinner with us.
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Right? It's just a. I have a. I taped a special in December and there's a line and I don't really. On stage, I kind of let this set. I mentioned being Jewish once and in the whole set. But it's like, you know, Seinfeld's a Jewish show. Never mentions being Jewish.
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Never says Jewish.
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Yeah, right. So it's. To me, it's a little bit like that. But I do say in the.
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Do you have that weight loss joke? Do you have the, the weight choke?
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Which one?
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I mean, you used to do this whole bit about. About your mother and commenting on your way.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole thing is about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like the whole thing about going to the beach with my parents. And, and it's all about that. It's a one hour show about my parents on the beach. And then there's a part, I go, and I say, I go, I go, I go. It's nice. Sometimes I like when there's Jews in the room. Because you guys know more than anyone else that right now I'm not yelling. So, like. And like the whole show, like, is at this tone that is just like a little bit higher than normal. Speak first. I think when you're at your dinner party, they're like, oh, my God, the friendship's over. You're like, no, no, this is, this is just a discussion. This is just.
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And as long as everyone's fed. Yeah, everything goes on. As long as there's good food. It's like nothing. You can't. You can say anything you want.
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So what did you serve at this battle royale? Like, what was your. You know what? You know, what did you serve there.
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Oh, I'm trying to remember now. I'm pretty sure it was actually, it was pasta night and I had, I have a recipe in this book for this, like it was a kind of a last minute gathering and I have this really good baked gnocchi dish and it uses like store bought gnocchi and you're like judging up store bought marinara sauce with red wine and garlic and, and you just like bake it with pesto ricotta.
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Get it in a big pot and.
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Let'S go get it into a big pot. Throw in the oven. And it was just one of those things where everyone was so cozy, so happy and it's why their walls go down and they really are comfortable saying the most unhitch things to each other now.
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Okay, so I want to make sure people get the book. The link is in the bio to this episode. It's. If you're watching on YouTube, it's in the bio on YouTube. If you're listening on podcasts in the bio it is called Dinner party animal and it's got recipes, grocery lists, timelines and so give it, break it down. Thanksgiving, bagel, brunch, steakhouse, Mediterranean. What else you got?
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Pasta, Everything you can imagine. Yes. Like a red sauce Italian pasta night. Like and it's start to finish for any occasion. So there's one that's called that was tonight. And it was, it's kind of the menu for like you, when you forgot you invited people over and you could throw it together in just a few hours.
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So they basically it's, it's, it's more called let's act this out. I'm a performer, as you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was Tonight. That sounds like you want people to say.
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Yeah, exactly. So like that's a celebration meal. So I have like this steakhouse dinner and this like Italian red sauce dinner. And for me those are the, those are like the. Something good happened. Like. Yeah, it's a birthday or something. A celebration. I have two holiday menus. I have a Thanksgiving menu and a Passover Seder. Just because those are the things that people get so stressed about. And I just don't, I don't get why people are so stressed for hosting.
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And the way I always judgment is walking through that door. You know, when I come over to someone's house, when I would come home from an event, my mom and dad are going to go, what do they serve? How was the house? What did you, what did you bring? You know, there's questions and all those questions are judgy Fucking questions.
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There are for sure.
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I'm looking at you going, did you have fun? Did you not? You know, now you're a restaurateur when you have people over.
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Yeah, but, like, my response to that is always like, you. When you go to a yoga class and you reach to touch your toes and you can't, does the girl next to you start yelling at you or shaming you or say, you, you're disgusting? No, because, you know, that's not the point. Point. You're on a journey towards touching your toes, but you don't beat yourself up because you can't do it yet. So I think the. The act of showing up to the class, the act of throwing the dinner party is what's getting you on this journey towards.
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People do appreciate someone doing it, like, attempting the feat, because it is a feat. Now what would you say? Like, okay, what? You know, there's someone sitting right now. They're like, I don't know, maybe I'll throw a party. Maybe I'll have people over. What's your number one, like, advice to them?
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Like, is there don't invite people you hate. Like, invite people you love. Like, it's like, really? It's as simple as that. If you make good food and invite people you like, you're gonna have a great time.
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Yeah, yeah, of course.
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So I have this idea, and you're single now.
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I am.
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So wait a minute. You were married?
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I was.
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So I saw you each other. I'm in the West Village. I'm at the restaurant. What is that restaurant called? It's really good.
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And then it's fine. It's. My friend. No, my friend Jason was like, listen.
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Mallet, I really wanted to go to a nice. I really want barstool. Gave it a judge, right. And. And then they blew up and it got barstoolified, so to speak. But go ahead. I'm sorry.
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And he wanted to go to. It's like, let's go have a nice alfresco dinner in the Village. I was like, what? Like, why? He's like. He just was so, like, set about the. The ambiance. Everyone's always about, like, the vibe. And the vibe is very good. We. The food. Fine. Was there anything bad? No. Was it something that was wildly amazing also?
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Now, here's the thing about Malatesta. But most restaurants in the Village could say this, but maybe not, because they have that great corner spot with the outdoor seats and the windows open. You are in a Sex in the City episode. Like, as far as, like, if I was to, like, suggest to a man.
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No idea how I'm in a Sex in the City episod hook.
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You are.
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Yeah.
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What's going on? So you Run up to me. I say hello to you. You're with a big group and you're like, I'm single now. I'm out there.
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How well is because I was like, I was like, this is all you do with J Train with your other pocket with you up. I'm like, I'm like, I am the I. I honestly think I am in the most powerful I've ever been. When I come. When it comes to. I think I'm gonna become the next relationship expert. I think I might start a cult. I might be the next Mel Robbins. Like anything is possible.
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This is, this is a freshly single man. I could I. This is the talk of a freshly single person. Because everything is roses and gumdrops. So what have you been a year? It's been a year. How hard was it, you know, going through the breakup?
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You know, I will leave that, that behind. I will start at the. The.
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I'm not asking for anger. I'm not saying I think it was. It sucks to go through a breakup always.
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It's always difficult. Everyone goes through it in different ways. I turn to a lot of self help and woo woo. I'm very.
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You referenced Mel Robbins, you know, so.
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Always love, let them love. Law of Attraction. Abraham Hicks manifestation. I did the Hoffman process. I like you artists way, you name it, I'm onto it.
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Get out of the break. You get out of the relationship. And for. But here's the one thing I wanted to ask you about this because I'm, you know, you're someone that I am very. I'll say this to you, I'm very happy whenever you pop up. I'm like, you know, you meet people along whatever journey you're along. And the way we met was so random and you know, whatever fucking pumpkin. That pumpkin. And we did this in this food segment. I mean I tell the story. I think we might have told the last time around, but I tell the story and maybe you see it differently than me. But there was basically they were going to do an a Netflix for food. That was the plan. And they had bought the URL food.com and it was going to be this big deal and you were brought on and I was brought on. And it was going to be this like we were going to be personalities on this big Netflix for food. And they taped promo and they taped all this and I. And the way I was told that it went down was like day one they turned the knob and food.com becomes, you know, Genius Kitchen I think it was called. And all these people Were like angered because all their recipes were on this website and they got lost and that was why it was like a disaster from day one. But then maybe I'm telling the story. You didn't hear it.
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I know nothing. I, I don't know. I didn't hear it.
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Wasn't it weird that we did all this stuff and then it just went away?
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Yeah, of course.
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It just was in poof. We, we went in, we had like, it was like we were like doing Christmas things. We were like from our family to yours, like the Disney Channel original.
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But like you're, you're in this business, you know, that's how it works. You go and you build something, it never sees the light.
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I just think it's so funny that like grandmama who like figured out one thing on the Internet was to just make a bookmark on a recipe on food.com and then that woman is like, what the. Like, because they just like lost their whole recipe thing. So it was like a vault in the streets. All these women with, you know, aprons on, pitchforks. Right. So. So you get back. So I, this is all to say what I. Meeting back then and seeing how successful you've been, it's like, I love that I'm, I, But I, I knew this about you, that you were like, you've been in a long term relationship and you and your families were very close. So like, that's gotta be tough. Like, you know, for sure. Where's the cell house stuff.
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Yeah. And listen, it's been a incredible journey this last year. I've learned so much about myself. I've grown so much. I've had some, I've had the wildest experiences I could ever imagine. Things that I couldn't. Things that if I said on this podcast, like you like the. Everyone at home would have their hand over their mouth. Like I have. It is just crazy.
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Give us fun. Show us the real Jake Cohen.
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I mean, I think the thing is, is one of the things that I'd never done and I, and I love this. There's always that TikTok of acted like I was 30s, in my 30s and my 20s. So now I'm acting like I'm in my 20s and my 30s and I'm 31 now. And I had never really. I was so focused, head down, working in my twenties.
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Yeah.
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And now I'm like a little bit 365 party girl at times and so.
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Let'S get out there.
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I would say in the last year I've been to Berghain four times. And it's that techno club in Berlin with like the Crate. It's got a little bit like a.
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It'S like a little sex party. Ish, Like a Jason.
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It's like more like I was. Yeah, it's like a holocaust themed like, like nightclub. It's like, it's, it's at this like, warehouse in Berlin. You wait on this line for hours. They're like, yes, no, yes, no, no. You put all your clothes in a bag. Like, it's, it's, it's dark.
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But I've been to Berlin. And when you get there, there is this, like, there's this, it oozes. Sex is happening here, like the whole town. Like when you go to a bar, like I went to a bar after the shows and I remember, like, even the way people are dressed, you're like, oh, there's something going on here. And I was like, as PG as Berlin could ever be. Like, just having drinks and I'm like, something is happening here, you know, that's great. Well, good for you. I, I you. So you're enjoying single life. Do you want a relationship?
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I mean, obviously, I think at one point it's all about, I'm a big believer. And one of the, the things is like, you attract what you want at that moment, whether you're, you're aware of it or not. So I think in terms of the first few months, I was attracting passion, I was attracting these really like, insane, incredible lovers, but like, people that I really had no potential for, for anything more with. And, and the reason was, is like, because that's not what I wanted. I didn't want to fall into the next relationship. And as you start to want depth and intimacy, depth and all of that is when you start to attract characters that are more representative of a potential future partner.
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That's a really healthy way to look at it. I think that's also like, you know, if someone was like. Because the hardest part about going through that phase of life is. And like the post breakup phase is you want to keep yourself open enough to meet someone that you know. You know, it could happen any day, it could happen at any moment. But you also want to protect the other people that you run into. You know, like, that you, like, you're a month out. We get this email all the time where it's like, the person I'm dating is three months out of a breakup, so should I just give one? And Right. But like, they're asking that. And then there's the person who's three months out who might be taking you seriously. They might. You don't know if that's, you know, but they.
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Sure.
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I mean, if someone was to, like, be three months out of a breakup and say, I'm trying to give the energy that I get the energy back that I'm putting out there, it kind of sounds a little. But you could say that at least you're communicating, you know, at least you're letting people know. Like, I'm in this moment of exploration and fun. And I just want you to know that before we move forward.
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Yeah, I think it's also. It's like, it's on them to be reaching out. Like, what are you looking for? Like, what are you looking for right now? And that comes up a lot. It's come up in a lot of conversations with different guys. And again, I think oftentimes there is that idea of, like, oh, I'm not looking for something serious. And typically, that's a response to someone that you just. I don't see something serious with.
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With. I'm not looking for something serious with you, is correct.
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And I'm a believer. Like, it really is. It's all of. It's all energy, and it's like, someone needs to match my energy. Because I can tell you right now, if I meet someone and I'm obsessed with them and they're obsessed with me, like, it's just gonna keep going back and forth, and it'll be a good volleyball. I'm. But I'm a love, a hardcore lover, and a hardcore lever. Like, I will give you all the hard energy, and the second that you're just not matching it, it's like, okay, I'll move on, because I know what I want, I know what I deserve, and that's someone that. That is. I said this on. On Tix's Tinks's podcast, and it's become, like, the thing when I tell you I get more women stopping me about this line than, like, recipes. And it's just one of my big mantras is, like, there is nothing more unattractive in a man than not being obsessed with me. So it's like, if you're not obsessed with me, like, I'm not gonna.
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Right. Well, the key to that is allowing yourself to be turned off. And that's like, the problem a lot of people have is you gotta taste it. Do.
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Even if they're attractive, they could be the hottest person in the world. I have a list of men that I think are, like, so hot that I know One day, like, yeah, we'll probably hook up. But also deep down I know that I'm not actively. I'm not actively going towards it because of the fact that it's just not right for me.
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So my idea for single people. You ready? And this has been my long time idea. And I think we lock them all up, we put them in the Berlin night club that you go to and they all have to put on their leather, strapless, assless, you know, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've always had this idea of a friend luck. Like a potluck, but friends. So if you get. So Jake Cohen is going to cook us a fabulous. Is going to host an amazing Friday night and you invite five people. But those five people to get in have to bring one friend. Not single, not. It doesn't matter what the relationship says, they have to bring one friend.
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This is crazy. I literally say this in the introduction to this cookbook is. That's one of my favorite things to do is I'm a big believer in like. Like I always typically reserve a few chairs to let someone bring someone they love because that's the way if, if you. They are. And if they are a representation of, of the connection that you already have. So if you. They are bringing. If someone you love is bringing someone they love into your life, then A, you're most likely gonna love them and B, if you hate them. It actually makes me rethink the first relationship.
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Right?
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Like deeply. No, no, no. I have demoted friendships over the fact that they bring someone that is the worst person I've ever met into my home.
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And I'm like, it goes both ways though too. They bring someone you love, you go, I didn't even know you could have.
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A friendship like that 100%. And then I become closer to them and the new person and like, so I would.
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So the friend luck idea. I'm happy you're talking about this.
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Yes.
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A
Price of admission to my party is bring one friend and, and love it. The thing with single people, single people are anal and neurotic and very much want everything to be told to them before they show up. So a lot of the feedback is, well, I don't know anyone who's single that you didn't. That means you didn't listen. Bring a married person, bring someone in a relationship, it doesn't matter. The best way to meet someone is loose connections. You want, you bring that new friend.
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B
Now that person, they have a single friend.
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A
Oh my God, everyone's got 200 friends. So what would you make for a friend luck if we had this event.
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B
Okay. Oh, that's a great one. So typically I have this menu, winner, winner, chicken dinner, and it's a roast chicken dinner with like, it's just all of the classics of what I I. It's like, it's like a beautiful like wedge salad with crispy capers. There's this like roasted broccoli with like this buffalo burre blanc, smashed potatoes, roast chicken. It ends with a tarttan, the upside down apple tart. Like, it's just like all comfort food in a way that I find is kind of romantic. Like, it's kind of like a, it's like a kind of quintessential date nighty thing. And I kind of also believe that if you're looking to manifest love, like creating spaces that are date adjacent with like the platonic soul mates in your life, which I, I truly believe I have so many, like, I have so many of these connections of these deep friendships with, with people that are. I refer to as like my platonic soulmates because they like, just leave me so fulfilled emotionally. And it's what's really raised the bar for like a next potential partner. It's like, well, if I have all these people, like, I need someone who's gonna match that as well as bring the intimacy and all of the other stuff.
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A
I think that's a big deal to especially older single people is you need a little bit excitement from the, the community. You know, you need someone to go, oh, my God. We didn't, oh, you guys. We didn't even think of these two together. You know, like, you need the group to get you a little bit because it's hard. You get negative. You know, you start going, I don't want to go out. Second date, who cares? It was fine. I think something like, well, but I'm saying you go to this event, but I'm saying when you go to an event, someone at the event, you go, friend of a friend, you're already pumped up.
- [31:12]
B
I love that. It's true.
- [31:13]
A
You're getting hiking, the Kool Aid. So. Okay, let's play a game before we go. I got a game.
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B
Okay.
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A
Peaks or pits? Peaks and pits. Okay. I'm going to give you a subject that is, you know, group dinner, you know, hosting event, subject. You give me the peaks and pits of that subject. Okay. Barbecues. What are the peak? What's your peak for a barbecue? What's your pit for a barbecue?
- [31:40]
B
The peak is you typically get to see people in their bathing suit. Given there's a pool. So you're getting just like a little bit more. More of a. More intel on the clientele if you're looking for someone. Also, it's just more casual. I love a daytime hang. I'm a big believer in. In do your social things during the day and keep your nights sacred. Like.
- [32:03]
A
Yes, I. I love that. That my pits. Is seating. There's never.
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B
Because there's never seating. No, it's true.
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A
You got never seating at a barbecue. Never.
- [32:13]
B
Everyone looks better. Everyone looks better standing.
- [32:16]
A
So yeah, I like a table in front of me. I think that's like where I do best from. Like nipple up.
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B
Okay.
- [32:23]
A
I. And the peak to me of a barbecue is the food. I think barbecue food is just so much better for like a social interaction. Yeah. Like just the general hot dogs, buns. It's all built to move.
- [32:40]
B
And pit pits. The. The pits is. Is you're covered in barbecue sauce. There's never a world in which you're. You're smoky, your hair is smoky, all this stuff. But again, teach their own. It's a small price to pay.
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A
Okay, playlists.
- [32:57]
B
I think it should be. We have this thing. There's this like app called radio and you can pick like a country and a decade and they'll play like songs that would have been on the radio during that time. And we love like 1950s Brazil. Is like a very popular one in our apartment. That being said, how do you find that? They do. It's. It's. AI. I don't know.
- [33:18]
A
It's like 1950s Brazil. Let's give it a shot.
- [33:23]
B
Oh, because it's like you just think of like whatchamacall Copacabana. Like you just say like it's. It's so like Rio. It's very like chic. Okay. And. But the. The. The. The thing is, is like I have trash taste in music.
- [33:41]
A
Like I love I'm with you. I. I'm with you. I don't.
- [33:44]
B
I'm a hyper pop club. Like there's. I want unsuns. And that's the only thing on my phone. So the algorithm knows. So even if I try to play like chill music, it'll eventually get to club music. And that's just not the vibe.
- [33:58]
A
I. My peak for playlists is when they put them on the TV so that I can see what's playing. Cuz I don't want to be the guy. Cuz I'm like you. I don't really have music.
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B
Such a straight man answer.
- [34:09]
A
I just want to know what's playing so that I don't have to go, what's this song I like? I don't have to reveal. It's a little too vulnerable to be like, yeah, song that made me cry. Yeah. No, I'm out on Shazam. Okay? So on my p. My pit is too loud. We gotta figure out a volume.
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B
That's true. That's true.
- [34:27]
A
We gotta figure out a volume. Okay? And it's gotta be enough. I gotta hear it so that I feel like I'm in a moment. But it's gotta be less so I can talk. Okay.
- [34:35]
B
Yeah.
- [34:37]
A
My next one. Chips, peaks and pits for chips.
- [34:43]
B
The peaks is a good dip. You gotta have a good dip. I have a couple of really great dip recipes in this book. And it's like, yes, I do this au poivre dip, which is like a version of like, an onion dip. And I have this, like, vegan pea and white bean dip that's also very good.
- [34:58]
A
And you found that at your Berlin Club.
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B
They 100%. You know, there's a. There's. This is. This is the. The wildest. The wildest thing is, I'll give you one. 1x rated story. Okay? I. So there is this little shop so you can go at some point because you're there for a long time. I think I was there. The. The. I was there last time I was there a couple weeks ago was like 13 hours. But many people go there for 20 plus, if not longer.
- [35:26]
A
The smells. I can't imagine the smells enough.
- [35:30]
B
But there is this little, like, shop. It's like an ice cream shop slash smoothie bar. And so we all went for ice cream, and we all are eating our ice cream, and we're sitting down, we're eating our ice cream, and in front of us, there was a man just laying down with a girl, blowing him right in front of us while we eat our ice cream.
- [35:47]
A
Come on. This is. And this is a club that, like.
- [35:51]
B
We'Re gonna leave it at that. We're gonna leave it at that.
- [35:53]
A
You want to go, you go.
- [35:54]
B
You don't want to go. You don't want.
- [35:56]
A
Jake's being paid by the tourism bureau of Berlin today. You're sell some tickets. All right, listen, let's do one more peek and pit that. We're going to let you go. Sides.
- [36:10]
B
Oh, okay. So here's the deal. You got to have enough. You got to have a variety. Because the issue is that people are picky eaters and they're so annoying. Like, and again, I'm annoying so It's. There's nothing wrong with it, but you just have to have enough. And that's why you don't serve sides that are so fucking weird. Like, you don't go on the, like, the craziest thing ever. You should have a starch. You should have, like a green veg and you should have, like, something else.
- [36:38]
A
So a starch. Because my pit would be potatoes. Sometimes potatoes, when they're served at a party, never hot enough. Fries go bad real quick.
- [36:47]
B
Never do French fries. There should never be French fries at a party ever, ever, ever. Unless you're like, you have a. Everyone's there and you get like, McDonald's delivery, which I know that's like a big thing with your people. And what I mean, like, like the girls that you're dating, like, their favorite thing now is to throw a party where they put out a big thing of caviar and then they just like, order a bunch of McDonald's french fries and like, oh, look at us, we're so chic.
- [37:11]
A
A little high low moment.
- [37:13]
B
Yeah, Give me a meal. Enough and nothing. They call it, like. And then they serve martini. So it's an adult happy meal.
- [37:19]
A
I got you. So what's the start you go with again?
- [37:23]
B
Could be many different things. I love a rice. I love. But again. And I also love a potato. There is a world in which you can do potatoes well. Smashed potatoes work better. And like a roasted potatoes or a. A mash. Whatever happened to a good mashed potato?
- [37:36]
A
It's tough for me. I feel like I've given up. If I'm eating mashed potatoes in public.
- [37:40]
B
Like, that's.
- [37:41]
A
Oh, my God.
- [37:42]
B
No. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, I love it. I have a shepherd's pie too, in the book, which is so good because then it's like all in one. So you just like, like slop. I love slop. I think a lot of. A lot of my favorite food group is slop.
- [37:54]
A
Just two things running into each other on the plate.
- [37:57]
B
Oh, yeah. Like. Like stews and porridges and things where it's all. It's all combined.
- [38:03]
A
Everyone go follow J Cone if you don't already. The book. We want you to pre order it right now or post order it.
- [38:09]
B
Just order it.
- [38:10]
A
Just go get it. It's a beautiful looking book. I saw it on. On your Instagram. It looks great. Dinner party animal. It's. It's out. It's out. Go get it. Thank you, Jake. This is fantastic.
- [38:20]
B
Anytime.
- [38:22]
A
We'll be back next week. Boom.