You Have No Idea What You’re Capable of Until You Hear This

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The Mel Robbins Podcast

Episode Summary: "You Have No Idea What You’re Capable of Until You Hear This"

Date: December 4, 2025
Host: Mel Robbins
Guest: Wallace Peoples (Wallo267)

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Episode Overview

This powerful, no-holds-barred episode features motivational speaker, entrepreneur, and podcast host Wallace Peoples—better known as Wallo267. Invited by Mel Robbins, Wallo shares his remarkable journey from growing up in Philadelphia, through 25 years in prison, to exploding as a force in media, advocacy, and personal growth. Wallo’s story is about radical self-accountability, breaking free from mental prisons, and discovering what’s possible when you stop letting the opinions (and expectations) of others dictate your life.
Theme: The only thing holding you back is you. This episode confronts self-sabotage, the power of choosing yourself, and how to cultivate an unbreakable mindset—even in the face of overwhelming odds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cutting Through Self-Generated Problems

[07:01] Wallo:

• Most problems in life are self-made: “Stop making problems for yourself. Nobody make problems for us. We make problems for ourself.”
• Don’t give power to other people’s words: “If somebody don’t like you, that’s none of your business. That belong to them.”
• Live for your own mission—not for the attention or approval of others.

Memorable Quote:

“You gotta really be able to cut on that fuck it button.” — Wallo [08:14]

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2. Leaving a Legacy Beyond Your Lifetime

[09:37] Wallo:

• His driving motivation is the future of people he’ll never meet: “The moves I make will secure the futures of the family members I won’t be living to meet.”
• Life isn’t about material things: “You can’t take it all with you. I’ve never seen a hearse pulling a U-Haul.”

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3. The Trap of Wanting to Be ‘Down’ and the Business of Incarceration

[13:45] Wallo:

• Growing up, criminality seemed like the only way to be respected; the glamorization of the ‘bad guy’ led to early crime and incarceration.
• The prison system is a business: “What business do you know that don’t want their customers to come back?”

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4. Epiphany in Prison: The Dangers of Not Being Yourself

[19:50] Mel:

• Many people suffer from not living authentically; Wallo’s breaking point came in his cell:

“You in here doing all this time for being somebody you’re not. The power of wanting to be down with people that really don’t care about you can destroy your life.” — Wallo [18:06]

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5. Practical Tools for Change: ‘The Book of Life’ & Vision

[22:07] Mel:

• While in prison, Wallo wrote down everything he wanted and planned—a crucial step in manifesting change.
• Reframed prison as a place of learning—“I’m not in jail, I’m in Yale”—consumed books, studied marketing, and found mentors through unexpected avenues (e.g., Anthony Bourdain via TV).

“Anthony Bourdain taught me in the cell that the world is your playground. Go play. He gave me a passport while I was sitting in the cell.” — Wallo [24:55]

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6. Mental Incarceration: More Widespread Than Prison

[32:58] Wallo:

• On there being more people imprisoned in their own minds than in actual prisons.
• The ‘cell’ is fearing judgment, comparison, and refusing to be yourself.
• Social media amplifies conformity and distraction from your own desires.

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7. The Mirror as a Tool for Radical Honesty

[37:00] Wallo:

• We use the mirror for vanity and others’ opinions rather than self-reflection.
• The mirror never lies: “The most important thing in your life will always tell you the truth... is the mirror.”
• The first act is choosing uncomfortable honesty over the status quo.

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8. Self-Talk, Accountability, and The ‘Fuck It’ Button

[41:05] Wallo & Mel:

• The “fuck it” button isn’t about being reckless—it’s about choosing your own path, saying yes to yourself, and no to the internalized expectations of others.
• Practical exercise: “On the count of three, we’re going to say it together. One, two, three: fuck them.” [41:07]

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9. You Are the Only One in Your Way

[53:57] Wallo:

• Excuses and hesitation are your own creation: “Nobody is going to get in your fucking way but you.”
• Most people sabotage themselves well before anyone else gets the chance.

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10. Energy Management and Support Networks

[56:52] Wallo:

• Once free, focus only on supportive energy—strangers can be pivotal allies and supporters.
• “Strangers make you rich. Stop worrying about the people you know. Stop worrying about the people you went to school with.”

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11. Visualizing and Living the Life You Want Before It’s Real

[59:07] Wallo:

• Adopted a ‘millionaire mindset’ before he had money: “I was a millionaire before I was a millionaire.”
• Acted, dressed, and inhabited spaces as if he already was who he wanted to become; visualization is not fantasy, but rehearsal for reality.

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12. The Power and Process of Forgiveness

[68:43] Mel & Wallo:

• Wallo’s brother was murdered while he was in prison. He chose to forgive his brother’s killer—not for the killer’s sake, but for his own freedom and for his family.

“Forgiveness helped me breathe because I wanted to celebrate my brother.” — Wallo [72:10]

• Forgiveness doesn’t mean excusing, but creating space for love and growth.

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13. The Most Important Takeaway: Yes to You, No to Them

[78:55] Wallo:

• Stop waiting for permission. Stop sacrificing your needs and growth for others’ comfort or validation.
• The people who truly love you can handle it when you say “no.”

“You gotta choose you and let them go in order to grow, in order to glow, in order to go.” — Wallo [79:52]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [08:14] “You gotta really be able to cut on that fuck it button.” — Wallo
• [11:13] “I want music to be playing. Because I’m going to be left it all up here. I’m not gonna be crying, I’m not gonna be complaining in the graveyard.” — Wallo
• [21:11] “When you gonna say fuck the crowd and start accepting you?” — Wallo
• [24:55] “Anthony Bourdain taught me in the cell that the world is your playground. Go play.” — Wallo
• [37:00] “The mirror would never lie to you...you got all the answers there. You just keep running away from it.” — Wallo
• [43:44] “Don’t nobody give a fuck about what you’re doing. They don’t care as much as you think they care... a lot of this shit be mind.” — Wallo
• [53:59] “Nobody is going to get in your fucking way but you. Cause what happened is this is how it be. You be going to do your thing, right? You jump right in front of yourself...” — Wallo
• [72:10] “Forgiveness helped me breathe because I wanted to celebrate my brother...” — Wallo

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Important Timestamps

• [07:01] Wallo’s explanation of self-created problems and detaching from others’ opinions
• [24:55] Discovering Anthony Bourdain and the power of broadening your worldview from anywhere
• [32:58] On mental incarceration and how more people are in prison in their minds
• [37:00] The mirror as an honest tool for self-accountability
• [41:05 – 41:08] “Fuck them” exercise and declaration on choosing yourself
• [53:57] You are the only person stopping your progress
• [59:04] Prepping for the life you want—living as your future self
• [68:43] How Wallo processed and reached forgiveness for his brother’s killer
• [78:55] Final takeaway: “Yes to you, no to them” philosophy

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Actionable Takeaways

• Stop Making Problems for Yourself: Examine what you’re worrying about—is it really your business, or are you internalizing someone else’s baggage?
• Cut On the ‘Fuck It’ Button: Say “yes” to yourself, say “no” to others’ expectations. You only get this life once.
• Replace Excuses with Vision: Write down what you want. Plan intentionally, even in the hardest circumstances.
• Use the Mirror for Truth, Not Vanity: Ask yourself if you’re being honest about who you are and what you want.
• Pre-Live Your Dreams: Start acting, thinking, and moving as if you’re already the person you wish to become.
• Energy Management: Focus on supportive relationships, even if they’re not from your original circle.
• Forgive for You: Let go not for others, but to free yourself and the ones you love.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a passionate, occasionally raw, but deeply inspiring call to personal freedom. Mel and Wallo urge listeners to break out of mental prisons, recognize their own agency, and begin choosing themselves—urgently and unapologetically. If you’re feeling stuck, playing small, or prioritizing pleasing others, this is your wakeup call, full of hard truths, actionable steps, and contagious energy.

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Listen If...

• You feel stuck and need a push to finally make a change
• You want to learn from someone who transformed unimaginable hardship into greatness
• You’re ready to stop caring what other people think and say yes to yourself

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“Stop worrying about them and worry about you. Start loving you. Matter of fact, before you love, you got to start liking you. Then you got to start loving you. And that’s enough.” — Wallo [81:15]

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(For more wisdom, connection, and support, follow Mel Robbins and Wallo267. And remember: “Yes to you, no to them.”)

Transcript

[Mel Robbins]

Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast.

You are in for one heck of a conversation today. So let me just start right at the top. If you've ever wondered why you feel stuck or if deep down you feel like you're acting like someone you're not, let me tell you something. This is the truth you need to hear today. I'm talking real talk because we're going to go there today. If fear, shame, regret, or resentment are holding you back and you feel like you can't break free, if you've got big goals, but you're the one who keeps putting them off, if some part of you believes it is just too late to change, this episode is going to be your wake up call, because today you're going to meet one of the most inspiring human beings I've ever met. His name is Wallace Peoples, but you may know him as Wallow. Wallow spent 25 years in prison, but this is not a prison story. This is a freedom story. See, when Wallow walked out of prison, he had $1,000, a used iPhone, and a promise to make his life count. Today, he's a media powerhouse with millions of views across every social media platform every single week. He's a truth teller, A man who's built an empire from a blueprint he wrote when he was behind bars. And he says something I'll never forget, and neither will you. There's more people incarcerated mentally in the free world than there are in prison. And after you hear what he has to say, you're going to realize he's right. Have you ever wondered why you feel stuck and how to finally get moving? This conversation is. Is going to shift you. This is real talk about how to eliminate self doubt, stop waiting and start becoming the person you know you're meant to be. And by the way, I got to tell you something. I don't want your kids in the car. If you're listening in the car, I don't want you turning this up in the kitchen because this conversation is going to get passionate. And I've already warned my team, when Wallow starts going, you better keep your hand on the recording dial because holy cow, it's like part sermon, part halftime. Coach, your team is down. The coach is mad, he's yelling at you, and he's telling you the truth. And this, this is the truth you need to hear because the fact is, you're the one in your own way. And so I don't want to be hearing from you any legging in your case because this is a conversation for adults. And sometimes adults need to hear words that are a little harsh because that's what it's going to take for you to wake up. All right, I've warned you. And here's another warning. Don't even bother listening to this if you don't want to hear the truth. Don't listen to this if you're not interested in motivation. You still here?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Good.

[Mel Robbins]

So am I. Let's go.

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[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Foreign.

[Mel Robbins]

Hey, it's your friend Mel Robbins. And welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so excited that you're here. It is such an honor to be together and to spend this time with you. And if you're a new listener or you're here because someone shared this with you, I just wanted to personally welcome you to the Mel Robbins Podcast family. You are in for an unbelievable, unbelievable experience today because our guest is one of the most powerful, raw and respected voices in culture right now. His name, Wallace Peoples he's also known as wallow267. He is the co host of the massively popular podcast Million Dollars Worth a Game. He's a viral motivational speaker with 7 million followers. The best selling author of two books, including his brand new one, yes to you, New to Them. He's the chief marketing officer of Reform alliance, the criminal justice reform nonprofit founded by Jay Z and others. He's helped raise over $5 million for small businesses, built partnerships with brands like Puma, Foot Locker, and the NFL. He's also given a TED Talk on forgiveness that left people in tears. And he shares stages with everyone from CEOs to formerly incarcerated youth. And here's the part of his story that is a testament to Wallow's unbreakable mindset. He did all of that after serving over 20 years in prison. No college degree, no corporate ladder. Just grit and vision. So without further ado, please help me welcome the remarkable Wallow to the Mel Robbins Podcast.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Thank you for having me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I'm happy to be here.

[Mel Robbins]

Thank you for jumping on a plane. I have been a huge fan of yours for a long time. I am so excited to be in the room with you. I'm excited for the person who has made the time to be here with us, to be able to be inspired by and learn from you. And I can't wait to dig into your story. But I wanted to start by asking you this. If you think about everything that you're about to share from your life story, from your experience, from the impact that you're making with millions of people.

What do you think is going to change about my life? If I take everything to heart and I apply it to the way that I live my life moving forward, what's going to change?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You're going to stop caring about things that don't matter and you're going to stop making problems for yourself. That's the most important thing. Stop making problems for yourself. Nobody make problems for us. We make problems for ourself. If you don't like me, right? Or if I'm talking to the viewer, if somebody don't like you, that's none of your business, number one. Number two, what they say about you, that's none of your business. That's their business. They own them thoughts, they own everything that they say. That's they got ownership of that. But what we do is we make problems when we get into their business. You minding their business now? Oh, I don't like Mel. Mel is not this Mel. Fake this. She don't really help nobody. Mel, why you worrying about their business? Mel, mind your business. That's not yours. That belong to them. The thoughts belong to them. Stop giving power to other people. Words, ideas, thoughts, feelings. Why do they. Like a lot of times, Mel, a lot of people don't dislike you. They don't even hate you. Some people just want to hug you. And they don't know how to get your attention. So that's what it really be about. And some people just like, dang, Mel got it going on. How can I get close to Mel? I DM Mel a thousand times. Mel, don't even answer her dm, she ain't got time for that. She running. I'm just. But that's the reality of it. But I think if you gotta really be able to cut on that fuck it button.

[Mel Robbins]

The fuck it bucket.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The fucking button. The fuck it button. We fuck it like. Fuck what they think. Like, as long as you living in that world of area, you're not gonna live. Listen, I look at this like this. You guess what if nobody told you you're gonna die. But guess what? Caskets don't have no bump beds. It's gonna be you by yourself. Why you worrying about everybody else?

[Mel Robbins]

Wait, did you just say caskets don't have bunk beds?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

They ain't got no bunk beds. Ain't no bunk beds. And caskets like what you wearing. You got to go by yourself. When it's time to leave this place, you're going to be and the music is playing. This is going to be you. It's not about nobody else. Like, we got to get out of here. Mel. Do you know one day, do you know one day they're going to be reading your book? They're going to be reading my book. And they going to be like, yo, they're going to be looking at old videos of us. We gonna be well off and going. That's why you here. And I tell people, the moves I make is secure the future. The futures of the family members I won't be living to meet. The moves I make will secure the futures of the family members I won't be living to meet. That's all I'm here for. I'm just here to work for some people that I'm never gonna meet. You too? You too. You just here to strengthen your last name up. So it's like, listen, we gotta go, Mel, we gonna. Listen, listen. We going to the party. Mel, you see that party that be going into the graveyard. We gonna be There.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, let me ask you a question. Why are you motivated by making a better future for the relatives you haven't even met yet?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Because that's our job.

[Mel Robbins]

Why is it your job?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Because everybody listen. The reality is everybody's just not going to be male and wallow. Everybody in our bloodline is not going to be like us. Some people just going to want to just get up every day and just get a regular job. It's not everybody job to push, encourage, want more for other people. That's just not it. So why we here? Why not take on the responsibility to say, you know what, there's gonna be some people that I'm not gonna meet that's gonna have my bloodline that I wanna look out for.

[Mel Robbins]

Are you motivated by that because your family didn't look out for you?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

No, it wasn't about that. My family always looked out for me, even when they couldn't look out for me. See, back in the day, we didn't have nothing, but we had everything. Cause we had each other. That was the community that I come from. Yeah, my thing is like this, Mel. You gotta understand this.

[Mel Robbins]

Yep.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You got money, Mel?

[Mel Robbins]

I do now.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You can't spend it all. Somebody gonna take that money when you get up out of here. Somebody gonna run through some money of yours. They gonna run through it so quick, they gonna do so many things to that money. So it's like, why not do things to help people when you outta here?

[Mel Robbins]

That's true.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Cause you can't take it all with you.

[Mel Robbins]

No, I've never seen a hearse pulling a U Haul. No.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

No, I never seen a bank tiller in the graveyard either.

You don't see no bank tellers in the graveyard. I never seen Chase out of every funeral I went to. I never seen Chase in the graveyard. I never seen pnc, I never seen bank of America, Wells Fargo, none of that shit's there. So it's like. Only thing you see is the dash. The most important part of the graveyard is the dash that's on tombstone. And you trying to figure out what did they do, what was a part of that.

[Mel Robbins]

What do you want on your tombstone?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I just listen, listen. My tombstone, I don't want, I don't want speakers on there. I want the music to be playing. Cause I'm going to be left it all up here. I'm not gonna be crying, I'm not gonna be complaining in the graveyard. Every time I go to the graveyard, you be hearing people. A lot of people, some side you see, they be Music playing they happy. Some side it be crying. Cause they ain't do what they wanted to do. And they left it up here.

[Mel Robbins]

So true. So true. You're 46?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yeah, I'm 46.

[Mel Robbins]

So I read that you spent more than half of those 46 years either in juvie or in prison.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yeah.

[Mel Robbins]

Tell me a little bit about that. What happened?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

So what happened is grew up, great family, rest in peace. To my brother Steve. My mom Jackie, extraordinary woman. You know, that's where I got a lot of my crazy stuff from my grandma. I'm loving, strong woman, the strongest person I know. My brother Jalal. I grew up. My pop, Wallace Roundtree. My step pop hip. I had some great people around me growing up. Great family, different sides. My grandma ora rest in peace. Grew up in the streets of Philadelphia, inner cities of America. I wanted to be down because when I grew up and where I grew up at in the ghetto, the only person that got the most attention was the person that was still in the American dream. The drug dealer or the criminal. Cause he had the fancy cars, he had the jury. He dealt with the most beautifulest woman in the neighborhood. So it's like the movie. So as me sitting on the step as a kid, when I see the car pull up, the nice music blasting out the Mercedes Benz, the jewelry, and I'm like. I'm sitting there mellon. I'm like, hold up. You mean to tell me I noticed Ms. Johnson, Ms. Brown and Ms. Green, the older ladies, they spoke to that guy getting out of the business. They ain't speak to Mr. Carroll walking down the street as a plumber. I said, I gotta go out there and steal the American dream. That's the only. People like America only respect the successful criminals. They love them. That's why so many movies made about them. So I'm sitting there, I'm like, yo, I gotta be down. I was smart enough to know right from wrong. My grandmom, she taught me a lot. But I got into the crime life because I wanted things that I wasn't willing to work for because I'm a kid. June 30th of 1990, I get arrested for armed robbery Philadelphia. And I'll never forget when Nanny came in. Shout out to nanny. She's 91 now. She's like 91, but she moved around like she 31. Sent my uncle Tommy to come get me. The next week, I got locked up again for arm rock. I kept getting locked up, so I wound up spending five years in juvenile. June 30, 1990. I was 11. For like seven days.

Something like that. I wound up, kept going back. They sentenced me that year to a year, and I wound up spending five years in juvenile in and out. So by the time I turned 17, I got locked up for two armed robberies, two firearm violations, got sentenced to a total of 19 and a half to 52 years in prison. They certified me as an adult. They said, no, you're not a kid no more. You're good with crime. You're not a duke.

[Mel Robbins]

How mad were your grandmothers and your mom at you? Because you just kept getting into it.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

They were mad at me.

[Mel Robbins]

Cause I can tell. I can just feel their energy right now. They were just like, come on.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

They was mad. And my grandma used to always say, you gonna get it. You gonna realize one day. Because you know what's crazy? Your grandma owed her. You saying to yourself, she don't know what's going on out here, but she do.

[Mel Robbins]

Of course she does.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

She always tell me, you don't understand, baby. Why you the only one that always go to jail? You always go to jail. And I remember one of my homeboys, his mom was saying, y' all can't do wrong. Wrong. Y' all need to start doing right, right? It didn't hit me till later on in life when I was sitting in prison doing time.

[Mel Robbins]

And what does that mean?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

What you mean?

[Mel Robbins]

You're all doing wrong, Wrong.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You got to do it right, Basically. Y' all don't know how to be criminals.

[Mel Robbins]

Hell. Cause you keep getting arrested.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yeah, y' all can't do wrong. Wrong. I mean, y' all can't do wrong, right? Y' all might as well do right, right? Basically. So it was like, y' all can't even do wrong. Y' all don't even know how to do wrong. You know what I mean? So it was like, y' all really not good criminals. Y' all always get caught. Most criminals do. So we really not that good. So it was like, you know, and you don't think about that, but being you, being you wasn't cool. See, see, see, see. What's the name? Had a song out back in the day, but we heard it. We might have danced to it, but it wasn't that cool. It was a nice song. You probably hear it on the tv, you probably hear it on radio. Huey Newton in the news had a song, it's Hip to Be Square. But you don't think about that. You're not thinking about that. It's being outweighed by all the Other music that you're hearing when Revenge of the Nerds come out, you don't even think. You don't even understand about today. You don't know technology gonna come. So everything was based on being cool, dangerous. Mel, let's be honest, Mel. You was in school. Y' all didn't want the nerds. Y' all wanted the cool guys. Of course, y' all wanted the jocks. Y' all wanted the guy to come with his caliber. Y' all wanted the Fonz. You didn't want that. Nobody want that. Nobody want the good guy. Everybody loved the bad guy. They love Scarface, they love Al Pacino, they love. They. You gotta think about that. America loved the successful criminal. They love the bad guy. So think about it. When you talk about institutions, when you talk about juvenile facilities. Juvenile facilities, prisons is a business. And I need to ask you out there, to everybody that understand about businesses.

What business do you know that don't want their customers to come back? What businesses do you know that don't want reoccurring customers? So if I change it up, you're never going to be my customer no more. So how do I make money? How do. Like, so now the counselors is out, the psychs that work in the places out. Probation officers is out. Just imagine if we fix this system and everything is fixed. No parole officers, no probation officers. We don't need a court cloaks, we don't need stenographers in the court. We don't need a lot of judges. We don't need a district attorney. We don't need a lot of these people.

So I didn't understand that until later on. So then when I get sentenced and it's time for me to go to prison, I was scared to death. I was scared to death. I get sentenced. I get up to the big house, it's a big wall. It's called greatest for prison. They open that gate, the gate closed behind us. I'm shackled up. I got shackles running from a belt around my waist. The shackles right here. I'm cuffed and it's going to my feet, to my chains, on my feet. The main thing that I'm thinking about when I go to prison. I'm looking at the TV and you just see all this stuff. But you never think it's going to be you. Nobody think it's going to be their turn to go into prison. When they are part of the life of crime. And everybody think they smarter than the system. So it was just crazy for Me, they give us our box. We get our stuff. We had to walk up and we had to go through the general population where the big yard was at to get to the hole in death row where they had you locked in because we was juveniles. As we walked through that hallway, I seen some of the biggest muscular human beings I ever seen in my life.

I couldn't believe it. They coming out of the yard, their shirts off. I'm like, please don't put me in this hell with him. I don't know what. I don't know. I'm like. I'm just like, please. But they wound up taking the cell hole and the other younger guy that was with me, I never forget as I covered my head with the pillow in that cell because we shared the cell because we was both minors. I heard him cry as I was crying at night and wishing I was home and wishing I had another chance. And it just was different. But that started my role and my journey being in prison. And it just. It got real after that. It kept. It continued to get real. But what happened was I was in the cell, was hot, summertime, no air conditioning, none of that. And I got up to splash my face, but when I got up to splash my face, it was like the devil was dancing in the cell because it was so hot in there. Walls were sweating. And I just looked in the mirror and I said, damn you in here doing all this time for being somebody. You notice the power, the power of wanting to be down with a bunch of people that really don't care about. You can destroy your life. It can mess your life up. Even if it's not about crime, it could be about, I just want to be down with these people in college because they posed to be the in crowd. Or I just want to be down with these people because they do business. Or I just want to be down. It could mess you up, because what it do is it remove you from you, and now you gotta be somebody else to be accepted by some other human beings that breathe like you got 24 hours. Like you, that drink the same water you drink. You shitting me? So once I realized that it was. It was. It was. It was crazy.

[Mel Robbins]

I want to go back to that moment where you're looking in the mirror and you're reflecting on the fact that you're doing all this time in prison for being someone you're not. And I'd love to have you talk to the person that's having this epiphany as they're listening to you. And they're thinking, well, I am where I am because I've been being someone. I'm not.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You. I'm talking to you. You right there. You. You ain't tired yet. You out there being somebody that you're not. And guess what? You just keep losing. You don't feel right. You know you're not where you want to be because you don't feel right. But you choose to take this path because you wanted to be accepted by a bunch of people that don't even accept theyself, because if they accepted theyself, they wouldn't put pressure on you to be with them. Why do they need you to be around? Why do they need you to change who you are? Think about it. But think about this journey you're going on and say to yourself, hold up. This might not be for me. This might not be my ideas. This might not really be what I want to do. But the crowd is telling me I should do this. The crowd is telling me this is what's cool. The crowd is telling me this is what accepted. When you gonna say fuck the crowd and start accepting you?

When you gonna cut the fuck it button on and say fuck what they think? Huh? What you scared for? Huh? What you waiting for? Like, you think time is on your side? Time is not on your side. The only thing you got on your side is the decision to let go of everything that's not supportive to you, everything that's forcing you to change who you are in order to be a part of this idea of what's right and what's wrong. Man, come on. It's bullshit. Let go. Get free. Be you. Love you. Respect yourself enough to choose you. Say yes to you and no to them. Oh, yeah, that's the new book coming out, too. My new book.

[Mel Robbins]

And buy it while you're at it.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yes, buy it. Yeah.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, near the end of the time that you were serving in prison, you started writing something called the Book of Life. What was that? And what were you writing in it?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The Book of Life is something I wrote in the day and I used to write. The Book of Life was really important because I believe people don't write stuff down. Right? And that was a major thing for me. But in the process of me writing.

[Mel Robbins]

Stuff down, what were you writing down? What do you mean? Your people don't write you?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I wish I'd have brung it. I wrote everything down. The states I wanted to go to, I wrote down the different peanut butters and jelly I wanted. When I got out, stores I wanted to go to movies, I wanted to watch songs. I wanted to collect in my MP3. I wrote down everything. Places I wanted to go. If I seen something in a magazine, I write it down. Whatever. I will always write all types of stuff down.

[Mel Robbins]

You know, one of the things that I love about you is that your story proves that all of the excuses you have, I don't have this, I don't have that. I mean, you're in a fricking prison cell, for God's sakes. You still have years on your sentence. And you had this incredible way that you thought about being in jail after that moment. Can you explain that breakthrough to us?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I used to tell people, I'm not in jail. I'm in Yale. I'm not in prison. I'm in Princeton. I'm not in the state. Penn. I'm in Penn State, right?

[Mel Robbins]

What does that mean?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

That mean that I'm not just sitting around in here. I'm in here, educate myself. It's not their job to educate me. It's their job to house me. And at this time was so crazy about it, my mind was clicking so much because in the state prisons of Pennsylvania, you could buy a TV off commissary. Whereas though you get some certain TV channels, cable channels, whatever, you pay for it. My celly's cellmates, they used to always say, why do you always turn the tv? Because I'm turning the TV all the time.

[Mel Robbins]

You mean flipping channels?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yeah.

[Mel Robbins]

Okay.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

And he used to be like, something. Come on. I was addicted to commercials. I was addicted to advertising and marketing because I always say, hold up, man. Big Mac never looked like that when I went at McDonald's. It be sloppy. It don't be like that. Something ain't right. Then I realized, oh, they outsourced that to advertising agencies. I started learning about marketing. Damn. Why is. When they got the car commercial, they got a black person doing it, Latino person doing it Asian based off the channel. You. Oh, what is marketing? Oh, I ran into a book called Damn Good Advice by George Lois. Oh, I read all these guerrilla market, I'm start learning about market. I started learning about advertisement. I'm learning about, oh, they paying all this money for that. So now I'm starting. I'm thinking more. I'm thinking. I'm just looking at that. I'm looking at that. And then one day, as I'm changing the channel, I come across this guy, right? One of my mentors, right? When I come across a skinny guy, man, skinny white guy, right?

And I'm like.

What'S going on? I look, he here, the next day he here. He just always eating food. His name was Anthony Bourdain, my mentor. So when I see him, I'm like, hold up. Anthony Bourdain taught me in the cell that the world is your playground. Go play. He taught me that the world is bigger than your neighborhood. He taught me that wallow, they're waiting for you. Go out there and connect with your people. It's people, places and things that's waiting for your arrival with a sign on it. When I seen Anthony Bourdain, parts unknown, no reservations, the layover, I was like, this guy used to get high. He got his life together. He was a cook in New York City. He a New York Times bestseller, life. He didn't let hard times beat him up. And his name, Anthony Bourdain. I watched every show religiously. I never stopped watching him because Anthony Bourdain, he gave me a passport while I was sitting in the cell. He used to talk to me through the TV show. And I was like, damn. Because this will happen when you come from where I come from, if you're not willing to be exposed to other cultures and other ideas, sometimes you'll miss out on a mentor like Anthony Bourdain based upon his color of a skin. We work so hard to find so much, so many differences in ourself when it's so easy to find something that connect us. He connected us because he was a teacher and he was able to say he connected with me because it was like, I didn't know that I was looking for him and I found him. In life, the greatest moments is going to happen when you're not prepared for them, when you're not looking for them. An aunt came through. I used to call him aunt. An aunt came through. And he just used to be like smoking a cigarette, drinking the hot tea, eating the craziest stuff, but it was like, wallo. Go out there and live. It's waiting for you. It's waiting for me. I ain't give up. I could have overdo. I ain't give up in New York City. I ain't give up and ain't give up. I ain't give up. And what he did, he showed me that I'm going to get out and I'm going to create what Anthony Bourdain created. But I'm going to show people that's where I'm from. So as I'm looking at Anthony, I'm reading books, stuff on George Lewis. I'm reading all this type of stuff and I'm in there in this university mode. And that was the whole thing. I'm not in prison. I'm in Princeton. I felt as though, like, because I felt as though the information that I could learn here, I could go out there and make as money, make as much money as somebody that's in Ivy League right now. But the only thing different, I had to pay with my life. I ain't got to. I ain't gonna owe him no back money. I ain't gonna owe them no loans. I ain't got to repay that. I just gotta get out here and perform. I gotta get out here and do my thing. See, you only get paid for your performance in this life. Performance is when you get up every day and you put your energy into something. You only get paid for your performance. So when you go, if you got a 9 to 5, you getting paid for your performance. If you got a business, you getting paid for what you put into there. You gotta perform.

And the more you perform, the better you get. If you're an athlete, you go out there and you score more and more points, you won't get bigger, bigger deal. So it's about, you only get paid for your performance in life. Nobody is coming to save you. Nobody's waiting for you. Nobody ain't shit falling out the sky for you. Based off of, oh, I know you, you my friend. Oh, we went to the same college. Oh, we from the same neighborhood. Nobody give a fuck about that. Everybody trying to win. So perform and win. And if you don't do that, you're done.

[Mel Robbins]

While you are dropping so much wisdom, I cannot write fast enough. And I also do not want to interrupt you. As you've been talking just now, I have three people in my mind who need to hear this. I bet as you're listening and as you're watching right now on YouTube, you have people that are coming to mind. So we're gonna take a quick second to breathe. And while we're gonna listen to our sponsors for a few seconds, I want you to take a moment and share this conversation with someone you care about. And stick around. We've got so much more to cover and Wallo and I are going to be waiting for you after this short break. So stay with me.

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Welcome back. It's your buddy, Mel Robbins. I hope you're feeling as fired up as I am, because Wallow. I don't even want to waste time. I really feel like the person who is with us right now has no idea what they are capable of until they hear all the information that you're gonna be dropping on us today. So let's just jump right back in. And here's what I wanted to ask you next. You have also said that there are more people mentally incarcerated in the free world than in prison. Talk to me about that, because I love this university mode. And people use all kinds of fricking excuses to not improve themselves, to not educate themselves, to not learn new skills, to not. To not seek out other mentors. And I think you're right that there's more people incarcerated mentally in the free world than in prison. But what does that mean to you? And how do you get yourself into university mode?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Because you know what happened?

[Mel Robbins]

Tell me.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

When people used to come to prison, they fresh off the streets. I used to interrogate them. I used to interrogate them about what life is on the streets in the free world. Because I had it. I never wanted to be the person that was stuck. A lot of people when your family member go to prison, they're stuck in the time that they was incarcerated. So I didn't want to be stuck there. So in order for me not to be stuck there, everybody that would come to prison, I would interrogate them. Sometime I would have a CO on the block, the ones that was, you know, all right, I had them keep my cell as a transit cell. So somebody come and they not being in there for long for like a week or two. Then I get somebody else because I used to love to stay up and just ask people questions about the free world. So this kid told me about Google in the yard. So we walk in the yard and he said he has this thing called Google. Man, I can find anything about anybody. I said, yeah, that's decent. He said, I can find stuff out about you. I looked at him, I said, man, you think I'm stupid? I've been in jail. But I'm not dumb. You give. I ain't even on the planet Earth no more. How you gonna find I'm in here? Nobody know nothing about me. So I typed my name in there wildest people, and I'm like, all this stuff popped up. I dropped the phone. I'm like, damn, the feds on me, the CIA, they watching me. I didn't know what was going on because I never seen nothing like this. Yeah, I've been in prison all this time. This 2000, like 20, 13, 12, something like that, I don't even know. So I'm like, once I got that, I set up the social media, and that's where the 267 come from. Wallow. 267. 267 was my prison number. DG 267. And when I go to set up the Instagram, somebody had wallow. So I had to add the 267, even though that's the Philly zip code. But it also was my number. I mean, it's Philly area. Cool. But whatever the case may be, when I went on social media and I started seeing people in life, I'm like, hold up. Everybody was locked into an idea of what they think they should be based off of somebody else. And I just seen different cities, I just seen a bunch of people doing the same thing. And I'm like, it wasn't like that when I was growing up. Mel, if you going to school in Boston, you ain't know what they was doing in Duke. If you went to Boston College, you ain't know what they was doing in Duke. You ain't know what. Because we didn't have no social media to connect. So now we living in a world where everybody emulating everybody, everybody got the same hairstyle, they wearing the same clothes they wear. Nobody like. Like, you got to think about it. Some of these big people, they would have never got this stuff. They would have never had this influencer back in the day. Because if you ain't get on Oprah, Oprah or mtv, nobody knew about you.

[Mel Robbins]

Correct.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

So now I'm like, hold up. Don't nobody got no independent thought no more? So I'm like, oh, there's more people out there in prison. I'm. It's going to be easy out there. There's more people incarcerated than it is incarcerated. Because everybody out there walking around with a. They walking around with a cell around their brain.

[Mel Robbins]

And how would you describe that to somebody who doesn't realize that they're in A cell in their brain because they're afraid.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The reason I say they in a cell because they afraid to go out there and do what they want to do. So they even in a cell based off. You're in a cell based off of worrying about people opinions, worrying about how people think of you. So now you can't move. You can't move. You're in a cell when you just. I'm just going to follow what they doing. I don't want to have my own thoughts. I'm a part of this group that I don't even know why I'm a part of this group. But I think it's okay to be a part of this. Me being part of this group because where I was raised, who my parents are, the influence they gave me. I don't even know why I'm here.

[Mel Robbins]

It's true.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You know how many people that just like hold up I'm a part of this. I'm a part of this. And they will argue with you about why you're so wrong about being a part of something. And you like I don't even. You, you can't even tell me why you're a part of what you was you arguing with somebody else and telling them that they wrong and they part of this over there. Think about that people is just a part of something based because somebody told them to be a part of something or just because their mom was a part of something, their dad was a part of something or people in their community was a part of something. They don't even know why it's true.

[Mel Robbins]

And then people get to a point in their life and exactly what you said happens. You start to say I don't really like my life. I don't like how I feel. Why am I doing this? Why am an accountant? How did I end up in jail? Why did I marry this person?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

This is the issue. And I realized this is what happened. We don't value the most important thing in every human being life. We use it for the wrong things. We use it for vanity. We use it for the most important thing in your life. Will always tell you the truth. Even if you duck. It will always be real for you. Will always show you who you truly are. Is the mirror not your friend, not somebody's show. The mirror would never lie to you because when you look in that mirror you see who you is when nobody else is around. When nobody else is looking. When you get up out the bed and your hair not done, you've not got that shave your Breath stinking or whatever it is. And you go and you go to splash water on your face. Even before that, when you go to use the bathroom and you walk by the mirror and you see yourself, you got all the answers there. You just keep running away from it. You're scared to be you, you're scared to be the raw truth is there in that mirror. That's the raw truth. But you use it for vanity. And you know what's crazy about the mirror? A lot of times when you go to the mirror, a lot of y' all be getting pimped by people. Future perceptions of you really be getting pimped. Because when you go to the mirror in the morning, you know what you use it for? You use it for dumb stuff. You go to the mirror, especially if you got the big mirror in your living room or where you getting dressed at. You put all your stuff when you're looking at it and you say to yourself, oh, I don't like this. It's not that you don't like this. You don't think people at work is going to like it. You don't think the place that you're going to is going to like it. The wedding, the party, whatever. It's not even about you no more. See, you using the mirror in the wrong way. You pose to be using the mirror to empower yourself and have real conversations with yourself and really look at who you truly are. But you don't use the mirror for that. You use the mirror for vanity. Use the mirror to keep punching yourself back. When you gonna use the mirror to lift yourself up? When you gonna use the mirror to get you get forward, huh?

When you're gonna stop being a scaredy cat? When you gonna grow up?

Guess what? Time is not on your side. One day you better realize that. Take advantage of the mirror.

[Mel Robbins]

How do I do that? Like I, I, I, I really mean this, I don't mean this like a cliche question, because being honest with yourself can be a very difficult thing to do.

So many people sit in the wrong relationship for years. They stay in a job that makes them miserable. They keep making choices that are the easier choice now, but it makes your life harder. Whether that's drinking too much or spending money that you don't have or spending time with people that really aren't your people and bring you down. How do you have that moment of honesty? Because it didn't happen immediately for you. There was so much shit that went down in your life and so much pain that you had to experience to get to a point where you're like, I'm just done with this shit. I got to this unhappy place by being someone I'm not. And I need to change. So how can I use the mirror not for vanity, but to truly cause that kind of moment of truth that you need to have in order to change your life for the better.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Mel, look at me. I'm talking to you personally, okay? You know how you say, let them fuck them?

[Mel Robbins]

Okay.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You gotta be violent with it. And when I say violent in the inside, this violence gotta take place. Not to anybody else, okay? But you gotta be ruthless within to say, you know what? I'm tired of you taking advantage of me. I'm tired of you being in my life. A lot of people is out here sleeping with the enemy. They biggest hater is somebody that's laying next to them. They biggest hater is one of their friends. Their biggest hater is one of their parents. Their biggest hater is one of the. One of the siblings. You got to be balanced about it. Let them. Fuck them. Fuck them. Say it.

[Mel Robbins]

Mellow them.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Say it loud and bell.

[Mel Robbins]

Fuck them.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Fuck. On account of three, we're going to say it together. One, two, three. Fuck them. You gotta be like that. We not gonna be here forever, Mel. We gotta leave. And until you embrace the reality that you gotta leave, you're gonna keep catering to somebody else for their benefit. Mel, you got it all. You got money, you got this, you got that. But somewhere in your life you got to cut that fucking button. Home, Mel. Even Mel got to do that. Melly Mel, come on. Melly Mel.

[Mel Robbins]

That's what my friends call me in high school.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You got to do it, Melly Mel. You got to be able to. Even you.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes. Lots of play. Actually, the more you actually say it, the more successful and free you become. Because you realize you have been a prisoner to other people's opinions. You've been a prisoner to making things easier for everybody else. You've been a prisoner to the easy decisions because you didn't want to make the hard one. And that freedom comes when you are able to truly choose the harder path. Be honest with yourself first. That shit's not working. And the main thing that's not working is you and the decisions that you're making. And stop blaming everybody else. Like, that's the other thing.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The bottom line is you got to really do the big thing. And you gotta say, fuck em. You gotta, like. Because it can't be if you keep. Because this what it is.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You keep negotiating with yourself and renegotiation with yourself. You're supposed to cut them off two years ago. They been told you that they do not deal with you, they do not support you, they do not value you.

[Mel Robbins]

You know what's even more interesting? You know what's even more interesting about this wallow and why this is so important is that nine times out of ten, the fuck them that you have to say is really more about your own resistance and bullshit that you're making up in your mind about what you think other people are going to think if you do the thing. Like it's even like before. It's one thing if somebody treats you poorly. That's pretty obvious when it's happening. But you treat yourself so poorly because let's say you want to start a YouTube channel or you want to go into real estate or you want to go back to nursing school. Most people hold themselves back not because of what other people are actually saying, but because of what you are saying yourself. Well, I can't go into real estate because my friend will think I copy them.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Let me tell you something. The reality is don't nobody give a fuck about what you're doing.

[Mel Robbins]

It's true.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Don't nobody really. Like, nobody gives a fuck. Like, don't know. Like, everybody keep thinking that that's so important that every. Oh, man, Nobody gives a about what you're doing. Like, they don't care as much as you think they care. Like, a lot of stuff is a mind game. A lot of this shit be mine. And we be battling in our mind and we be like, hold up, are they. They. I gotta go this way because they gonna say this, I gotta do this because they gonna say this, I gotta wear this. Cause they gonna say this. I got, man, Fuck what they think. At the end of the day, you gotta be willing to have people mad at you. But that's why you gotta say yes to you and no to them.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The discipline of saying no and the freedom that follows. Get that book. But listen, at the end of the day, yeah, you gotta get my book. It's coming. Listen, at the end of the day, that's why I created yes to you. Because it's like.

Everybody'S saying, like, we live in this world where it's though, if you say yes, you the hero. If you say no, you create a victim.

Like, we live in this manipulative world today. Everybody is using words. Oh, I'm a victim. This ain't go right. This ain't go right. Listen, we all play a Part. If you fuck me over today, Mel, and I allow you to fuck me over, I like being fucked over. That's it. That's dual accountability, right? I gotta be like, we both accountable, right? You said fuck me. You don't fuck.

[Mel Robbins]

I think if it happens once, that's once. If it happens a second time, it.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Always happened a second time. Because people keep holding on to yesterday. Tomorrow is going to be better than yesterday when you say yes to you and no to them. But if not, you're going to keep reliving in it. It always happened a second time.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, that's the test. That's. You ever seen God? Seeing if you're paying attention, it always.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Happened a third time. People is too comfortable with being comfortable. You got to be uncomfortable in really the win out here. You got to be. Listen. All the winners that we see, nobody see them up all night doing research. Nobody see them in the gym, working out, shooting a thousand shots in the gym. Nobody see it's uncomfortable. Your body hurt, you ache, you tired, you sweating. Like that's what life is about. But as long as you keep saying yes to them, you saying no to you.

[Mel Robbins]

All right, let's be honest. This conversation. Can we agree it's a masterclass mindset, purpose, real life, growth. The truth. If your brain needs a minute to catch up, I get it. I feel like mine does too. So we're going to take a beat, and here's what I want you to do. Text this episode to somebody who needs it. I have a few people in mind who for sure need a little bit of wallow in their life. And while we're taking this quick break and we let our sponsors shine for just a few seconds, don't go anywhere because we got so much more with Walo coming up right after this. Stay with me.

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Welcome back. It's your buddy Mellie Mel. That's right.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Wallo.

[Mel Robbins]

I love that you called me that. And I love that you're here. And I love that you're sharing this with everybody. All right, wallow. I got so much more I want to jump into with you. Here's where we're going next. I want to ask you a question, because I feel like people change because of one of two reasons. One is pain. That's always the source for me. And the second is clarity. But clarity often comes from these deep moments of pain. When you were about to be released from prison after being in prison for two decades, you had this video where you said that you had $1,000 saved up from the various jobs you worked in prison from money that your family sent you. And you were so clear about what you were going to do when you got released. Can you share that? Because I want to unpack the power of that intention and the power of being clear. Because I feel like one of the things that really gets in people's way is they don't even. They're not even clear about what they want. And you were so clear that I could tell in the video. I'm like, this guy's gonna do this. So tell that story, and then tell me about the power of being clear about who you are and what you're out to do.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

See, when I came home from prison, mm. Number one, the first day, it was time for me to get out, I was scared.

[Mel Robbins]

You were scared.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The scariest day of prison was the day that they let me go. And I'm gonna tell you why before I get to where I'm going. Because I never was who I told my family that I was ready to be.

I never was that person before. The person that I said I became. There was no temptation to show that I was that person. I was that person of the mind. But I wasn't that potion off of lived experience in action yet.

So I was scared walking out because I'm like, wow. I got to deal with temptation once I got out there, smelled the air, breathing. Oh, man. When I did that video, I said in nanny middle room, shout out to nanny when I put that money on the bed. And it seemed like yesterday when I did that video, I wasn't out of prison that many days.

I was so clear in knowing if you ever seen that video, you know what I'm talking about? She might put it in here. If you ever seen that video, you could see it. I knew I spoke with conviction, and I'm clear about everything because.

You ready to know why I was so clear, Mel?

[Mel Robbins]

Yes, I am.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Who the fuck gonna stop me? Ain't Nobody worrying about me. Ain't nobody worrying about you. Nobody is gonna get in your fucking. Don't nobody care who is gonna stop you from materializing your dreams? And guess what? And guess what, Mel, Tell me. Americans be taking. Playing games or what they got? I said, I'm a destroy them out here. They out here playing fucking games. They don't even know where they live at. I said, I am going to destroy him. Like I'm immigrant. Like I just. Like I just got here. I'm a destroy him. Nobody is going to stop me. Do you know how easy it is to set a business up? Do you know how easy it is to get a trademark? Do you know how easy. Like, do you know how easy it is to do these things? Do you know how easy it is to open up a bank account? Do you know how easy it is to get a passport? Do you know how easy it is to get a real id? Do you know how easy that is? Nobody block you from doing them. So. So you mean to tell me, hold up. I could go on one of these sites and I could set up my whole business. I could just walk in the bank with two pieces of paper and say, here in my id and they can open up an account. I get a card. I get a mirror. I could go on social media and promote my products for free.

Like, I'm sure somebody's gonna stop me. I'm sure somebody's gonna say, no, the fuck you're not. Wallow. You can't be a. You can't come home from prison and start who is going. Don't nobody care. Can't nobody stop me. Nobody is going to get in your fucking way.

[Mel Robbins]

Can you please tell that to the person listening?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Nobody is going to get in your fucking way but you. Cause what happened is this is how it be. You be going to do your thing, right? You be going to do your thing and this will happen. You jump right in front of yourself and say, uh, you ain't going nowhere. You ain't gonna be great. Nah, you can't do it. You, your biggest fucking hater. You. You always talk yourself out of ideas. Soon as you say, here it is. I put the idea together. I waited to do it. No, you're not. Then you sit back down.

[Mel Robbins]

I'm sorry it's so fucking true.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You sit back down.

You do all this research you got. Listen, we walking around with computers in our pockets. When I grew up, I didn't know nobody in the neighborhood that had a fucking computer, man. You only see that when you go downtown and you go into one of them buildings and the computer was big as this table. Back then, you walking around with a computer in your pocket. You mean to tell me you can ask a phone anything? Back in the day, we had to go to a library to figure out something and some books that we had. First we had to find a book of the information we was looking for and hope they told us what we was looking for.

Nobody's going to stop you. But you. Now let me ask you a question. When is you going to stop being the biggest enemy in your life? You're your biggest enemy. Nobody cares. Nobody's going to stop you. So what? They're going to talk about you. So what? They're going to laugh at you. What does that mean? Haters is your marketing team. Let them work. Haters is your marketing team. Let them work. They tell people about you.

You know how many haters that get you followers from laughing at you or sending your stuff around to their friends? Look at this clown. Look at this. They did that to me. They laughed at me. So what? They was laughing at me because I was different. I was laughing at them because they all the same. But what makes you cool? Look at it. Look at what's going on. The smart, fearless people is out here destroying shit. The people that say, I'm gonna sit here, I don't care not I'm gonna stay on this, I'm gonna build my app. They running stuff. When you gonna start running your life? Because you don't even run your life.

[Mel Robbins]

You know what came to mind as you were saying that is that here you are free and you're building wealth and you're doing your thing easy. And you are just doing your thing. And the people who are in prison are the ones that are calling you names and hating on you. But the haters are helping you build your wealth.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

But listen, you know what I'm saying?

[Mel Robbins]

Like in the prison of their mind. Because think about how incarcerated you are if you spend any of your time and energy tearing people down online, when you could take that time and energy and actually put it into educating yourself or building something that you want and getting out of your own way.

You talk a lot about energy, how important it is to protect it.

Let's talk about energy.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Energy is very important. Right? Right. You got different levels of energy.

You got positive energy, you got negative energy, then you just got floating energy. Energy that you don't know what the going on, you don't know what you want to do. Energy.

[Mel Robbins]

I think there's a lot of people.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

With that, like, yeah, yeah, but because a lot of times, like, the reality is it's sad. And the sad truth is.

Some people just don't got the energy to change.

Change is uncomfortable because you got to cut that switch on and you gotta be willing to be talked about. I did a post and I said on the post, I said, strangers make you rich. Strangers make you rich. Stop worrying about the people that you know. Stop worrying about the people you went to school with. Stop worrying about the people that you went to college with. Strangers make you rich. Strangers made Bon Jovi bitch. It made Guns n Roses rich. Michael Jackson rich. Michael Jordan. Just think if only people that was Michael Jordan fans was the 15, 20 people with 30 people, 100 people we know that's not enough. Stop worrying about, oh, they don't support me. They're not with me.

Shut up. Strangers make you rich. When you go to Mel's show, there's people you never knew. They didn't go to college with you, Mel.

They don't know you. They wasn't your childhood friends, Mel.

[Mel Robbins]

Nope.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

No, no, no, no, no. Everybody that Mel was talking about, let them. Them people that see they don't matter. The people that support it and understand the mindset shift, they matter.

We spend too much time worrying about the people that's not supporting or the people that's not there that we forget to say. I want to give a shout out right now on Melly Mel's show to everybody that ever supported wallow267. I'm talking about everybody that reposted me, that liked it, even the people that talk bad about me. Like at the end of the day, if you talking about wealth, you talking about getting. You got to have that right energy and you got to have the energy. You gotta have the energy to put yourself in position before you get in position. I was a millionaire before I was a millionaire. Let me tell you something.

[Mel Robbins]

What does that mean? You were a millionaire before you were a millionaire?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I was a millionaire before I was a millionaire. And I was preparing for my bank account. I was preparing for everything to come. Because let me tell you something, Mel. I'm living in Philadelphia. I'm living in nanny middle room, right? So I'm living in the middle room. I used to get on the subway, I had my backpack on. Or sometime I walk from Broad and Allegheny all the way to downtown center city, Philadelphia. Whatever. It depends on. I got my earphones on, I'm listening to Sampha. I'm jamming. I'M singing to myself, I'm laughing. People thought I was crazy because I used to dance all through the streets. Sometimes I throw Bruce Springsteen on Streets of Philadelphia. Come on. He's singing. I'm walking through the streets. I feel like I'm in the movie, but I feel like Bruce. I'm like, bruce. I'm looking like, yeah, the boss is singing to me. He's singing. He's my he. Listen, you know how when you. Every time I come out the house sometimes, like a couple times a week, I had Streets of Philadelphia playing by the Boss. And I'm like, yeah, he's doing my theme music. It's like I come out. You're not like superhero.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes, yes. It's like streets everyone needs to walk on.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I'm walking. I'm like, yeah. So I go downtown, right? And I'm telling you, you gotta be bold. I was cocky with my imagination. And I'm gonna tell you about how me going to prison from 17 to 37, it fortified my imagination. So I came back out with imagination. Like I was 17. But let me tell you about my imagination. I used to go downtown Philadelphia, the Four Seasons, one of the best hotels in the city, right? I go down there, right? I go to the bar, right? Just give me a hot tea and a to go cup with lemon and honey. Because I'm like, it's on the top floor. I can overlook the city. I'm the man right now. You got to know you the man and you got to listen. You got to know that you him. You got to know that you hero before you become there before you arrive. So I go there, get my hot tea, right? After there, I leave. I go see one of these luxury condos downtown. I'll go look at. Because once I realize that, hold up, I could go check out an apartment, luxury condo. I could go test drive a car. And I ain't got to have no money in my account like that. Oh, it's on. So I'm just preparing myself for the lifestyle that I'm a live. Like I'm preparing my. So I go in there and I never forget. I put my backpack down, I go in, the condo lady be showing. Yeah, I'll be sitting back. So what do you think I should put here? Should I put my painting on the wall? Should I put my art here? Should I put the couch there? They like, yeah, See, what I would do is. And I'm just like, yeah. And I'm taking my time. I'm not in no rush. Cause I'm Filling it in. I'm like, I would like to see the. Let me see the rooftop. Go on the rooftop. Smell the air. Overlook the city. It's nice. Y' all got a Jacuzzi in there? Pooh. Okay, let me check that out. Oh, yeah, Lee, there I go to the dealership. BMW, Benz, whatever. I'd be like, test drive. Yeah, you wanna. Yeah, let me test drive that. I'm talking about. I wanna test drive the most expensive car. Get in that drawing drive, seatbelt on. Yo, hook the Bluetooth up. Cause I need to play my music, throw my theme music on. Coming through, window down, hand hanging. I'm like, yeah, it's nice. I get used to this. He like, what you thinking about it? I said, I'm thinking, man. Let me go a couple more blocks. They in there, they on their phone, they don't even care. I'm just prepping. I'm getting ready, right? I'm getting ready for the life that's waiting. That's coming.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You gotta be ready for the life. You gotta live inside the life that you want before you get to life. And you gotta live inside it right here. See? See, what happened with me, that was different than people out here. When I went to prison 17 to 37, my imagination was fortified. I didn't have to deal with the real life issues that tear you down and beat down your imagination. Having getting married, divorced, heartbreak, getting lost, losing the job. So when I came out, I believe I could fly.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, I also wanna unpack one other thing that you were doing, which I think is really important because it's available to anybody. You were doing it in a prison for 20 years, which is when you were fortifying your imagination. And it began with the story of Anthony Bourdain.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yes.

[Mel Robbins]

You allowed yourself to imagine a world where you were traveling to all those places. You weren't just a person watching Anthony Bourdain doing it. You, in your imagination, taught yourself how to live that before you did. And in imagining it, visualizing yourself there, I believe you were training your mind to believe that it was possible for you. Because your mind doesn't know the difference between what's actually real versus the things that you allow yourself to imagine. And what's so beautiful about the way you just described. I went up to the Four Seasons. I ordered my tea like Anthony Bourdain. I enjoyed it. I smelled it. You're now pulling in your five senses, which then make your brain imprint on all of this experience. Now your brain is like, yes, this is where I Belong. I do belong at the Four Seasons having a cup of tea. I do belong in an apartment that feels like this. And that is an example. And the story's amazing. Like the detail of the arm hanging out the window down. And the themes are, no kidding, you weren't. But that is actually how you do it. You invoke your senses. And you don't just watch what people are doing. You step into the scene. And you've become a master at that. Because you did do what you said you were gonna do in that video. You did turn the thousand dollars in cash into millions.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I turned it up, yes.

[Mel Robbins]

So what happened after doing all that and preparing for it? Like, how else did you prepare yourself?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

See, see, see, I used to always, like when I walked the streets of Philadelphia, right? Cause I was doing these videos right when I first got out. I used to do these marketing videos. Cause I felt as though I was a marketer, right? I felt as though I was an ad agency by myself. So I would go to people's business. I'd be like, damn, I go to Mel's. I go to Mel's Steak Shop. I'd be like, mel, how you doing? She's like, hey, what's going on? I'd be like, my name Wallow. I wanna do a commercial for you. You're like, what? What type of commercial you wanna do? Well, Mel, you got a steak shop. You know what I mean? I wanna just let people know about your steak shop. She'd be like, what you mean? I'd be like, mel, do you understand that there's so many people living their everyday life that people 15 blocks away might don't even know you're here. What I need you to do, I need you to make a real nice steak. Mel, when you make this steak, I want it to be dripping the onions. I want it to look like. I want it to look great. And I want you to stand right by. Only thing I'm gonna give you, I mean, we gonna do this minute video. But I'm gonna give you to say something at the end. But I got you. And this is how it would go. What's up, everybody on Wallow two's except. I'm right here at Mel Steaks. Let me tell you something. If you want to get a steak, I'm talking about. Mel's is the place to eat the steak. I'm talking about. This is a different type of steak. This steak right here. I had your tongue break dance. I'm talking about. Your tongue will be doing moves. You didn't even know your tongue could do. This is the best steak in the city. I'm telling you. It got the peppers, it got the onions. You might don't like peppers and onions, so it won't be on there. Well, you want American cheese? You want wiz cheese? What type of cheese you want? I'm telling you, these steaks is a different type of steaks. You're going to tell somebody about these steaks. You're going to run home about these steaks. You might even go run in the Maritime after you eat this steak. This is the type of steak. Hey, Mel, tell them what type of steaks you got. Tell them what you got going on. Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Mel Robbins]

Yes.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

So then I leave next week. You'll call me and be like, wallow. Thank you so much. You can eat here at any time you want because I'm coming to do it free. See, I had to get my proof of concept, so I do a bunch of places free to get my proof of concept. And then what you do is somebody will call you, hit you on social media, and they'd be like, yo, you might know, I got a friend, he got a laundromat wallow. He want to pay you, right? So I'm like, oh, man. So. Because the first time. The first time that I. I really got paid for a commercial is when my cousin Gil called me. Gil called me. He's like, yo, man, somebody want to pay you $300. I said, man, I do them joints for free. He said, you did enough for free, man. What you talking about, Gil? Like, you did enough for free. They got $300. I'm like, damn. Oh, yeah, you right. So I would have got it. And then it started. I started charging, but whatever. But it was like I knew that people need to advertise, and I knew that everybody don't see everything. So I became that dude. And I just filled my page up with examples. Like, people don't understand whatever you doing. Go get examples. I'm talking about some of the most. Some of the most valuable stuff you could do is free. When I did my first TED Talk, it was this girl named Nicole Purvey that I knew from Philadelphia. She called me, and at this time, I'm charged with what's name. So they called me by the TED Talk, tedx and Atlanta. I'm like, tedx. I don't even know who Ted is. I'm like, who the is Ted? Well, I don't know nobody named Theodore Ted. I don't know him. I Know Theodore Roosevelt, But I don't know no Ted X or TED Talk. I don't know none of that. So I'm like, all right, bet. I said, all right. I said, what y' all want? I said, how much they charge? I mean, how much they paying me? You know, what's their budget? I start asking because I'm getting more professional now. Of course, I got my one sheet. I. I got my. I got everything, right? Pay me 50,000 here, pay for my flight. All I'm getting all this stuff, right? So what happened is she was like, no, wallow ain't paying you nothing. But what he can do is he gets you a hotel. So I'm like. I'm like, nicole, you sure I should do? She's like, wallow? I'm telling you, this is big. A lot of people, I don't know nothing about Ted, right? I'm like, she like. So I go down there and this was for free. And the TED Talk that I did, I got two TED talks. I got three. I may have three. I got TEDxS. I got. I forget my brother's killer. That was my first TED Talk. And I spoke about me forgiving my brother's killer. And then the second one was fuck it button. Did not forget it through. But when I went down there and I did that, that was one of the most powerful things that I did. I forgive my brother's killer. Because to this day, it wasn't about the money I made. The impact was more powerful than the money I made from people booking me and all that. Because I had people in airports, restaurants, they get up and say, man, I really needed to see that video.

[Mel Robbins]

Talk to me about forgiveness. How did you forgive the person who killed your brother?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Because it was an unbelievable pain that somebody shot my brother. He ran down the street. My grandma nanny opened the door, he fell in Nanny arms. She was like, what happened? He died in Nanny Arms in the childhood house we grew up in, in the doorway. It was. It was so painful when it happened because I'm in the cell and I'm watching it on the news. Like, I'm watching like somebody was shot. And I'm in, because I'm in. I'm outside affiliate the prison. I'm like, that looked like nanny house. And I'm like, damn. A couple days later, my mom bring his kids up, right? My niece and my nephew. So. And.

When I seen them and I seen the energy that they had as kids and just like, so excited to see me and just so like, I'm like, damn. So much going through my mind. I'm like. And when I say forgive, I mean.

Be willing to live for somebody in the right way and utilize this as motivation to get up to make sure that these babies is all right. To make sure. My mommy, because he was the oldest.

It was him than me, I was second. So I'm like, I got a big responsibility now. So I think the greatest thing that I was able to do based off of my environment, because I come from an environment where revenge is God, get back is God. But I said to myself, you're not going to be my God. My God is a different God, and my God forgive. One thing that I realized is that everybody wants forgiveness, but who is willing. Willing to forgive.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

And it wasn't about no ego and none of that. Because I gotta always think with logic. As I got older and I'm like, what is the logical. What I'm do? Go out there, try to do something to somebody, and somebody do something to me or. And they lose me or they lose them and I'm back. Like. So it was the.

[Mel Robbins]

I.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

The whole thing was just to sit back and I had time still had years ago in prison where I was like, I got to figure out a way to turn the cycle of violence around in my community and show by example of what forgiveness look like and what living for somebody look like. Because.

The cycle of crime, the cycle of murder.

Is too normalized where I come from, but it's normalized based off of ego. Where I come from, a lot of people die based off of ego, based off of words, based off of emotions. And I said I didn't want that to be me and I wanted to be example. Not for. It wasn't a natural thought of want to be example for other people. But I was just like, I gotta be example to my family and I gotta be example to these kids that they got a man that they could count on.

Because my brother wasn't able to fulfill that because his life was taken. So it was like that there had me more like, okay. And I had to share that. And what's so funny, he said, you only got like 18 minutes. I'm like, all right, cool. Because nobody else is going to share that. I didn't want to once I seen what a TEDx is. And I said, oh, man, I got this.

[Mel Robbins]

How do you forgive, though?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You forgive?

[Mel Robbins]

How did you actually get to the point where you no longer carry that anger with you like that you're freed from it? Like, what does forgiveness even mean to.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You forgiveness to me, personally, yeah. If My condolence to anybody out there that lost somebody. Right. Anybody out there. If you lost somebody through violence, my condolence to you. And I can only. I know the feeling, so I know what you go through. For me, personally, forgiveness helped me breathe because I wanted to celebrate my brother. I celebrate my brother by living for him, being happy and, like, knowing who he was and having the memory of him and not holding on to this dark part of this pain or this anger of the person that did something to my brother. When I got there, that my back was straight, I didn't have to. I was able to breathe, it was like, damn. It was like, I'm not carrying that around with me. It wasn't to be. It takes a lot of energy to carry anger around for somebody to. Whereas, though the anger can supersede the love and the memories that you have for your loved ones, because it's so much to carry. You. You carry. And it could be unbearable. So now you're. In a way, and I'm not saying that anybody have to choose this route, but in a way, you're neglecting the memories, preserving the memories and just the life of your family member that was lost. So it was like. It's just like. It's real. It's just like. It just is a lot. But I was willing to get to that part of my life. And that was one of the most therapeutic things I ever did.

[Mel Robbins]

Did you ever tell the person that killed your brother that you forgive him?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

No. He out there, he know. It never was like the. It wasn't about him. It was about my family and me. You dig what I'm saying?

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah, I do.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

It wasn't even about that. But if I seen him, I'd say that it wouldn't even be nothing.

[Mel Robbins]

Do you want to sell him?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Look.

I don't.

I don't know you. We never met.

But.

Steve and Keith Peebles, that's my brother.

And I don't know. I'm not here to judge you. I don't know the circumstances. I don't know what took place. I don't know what transpired at night on Lippincott Street.

I don't really know. And I'm not even here to judge you. I'm not here to try to. I don't know what happened. I don't know why it happened. I wish it didn't happen. But I know a decision was made by you. And.

You took away somebody.

Like, you took away somebody that was a good dude, as we know.

You took away a brother, a father, a son, a grandson, a cousin, a friend, a neighbor.

You took away somebody that.

I find myself talking to or planning to talk to in my days before I remember that he ain't here no more. Right?

Maimay, Tyrena, Muxin. They can't talk to their dad. My mom can't talk to her son. Nanny can't talk to her son, her grandson. So it's like.

I wish it didn't happen, but it happened. But let me tell you something. I don't know what you could learn or how, but I heard you learn from this experience, and I hope you never do it again.

I'm not God. I can't judge you. And.

I just wish it didn't happen, but it happened. But know that.

I don't feel no type of way to, like, want to do nothing harm to you or want something done to you. That's not my job. I'm not the decision maker. God is. I don't make no decisions. But I just want to let you know, if you looking at this, if you didn't see, but I'm pretty sure you seen it because I talk about it so much. I forgive you, man. And I don't forgive you just to say it. I'll forgive you in a way. Whereas, though, that was the greatest thing that I did personally for me and for my family, because you took Steve away from me, from us.

But you motivated the mother the fuck out of me to be something that I never even knew that I can be.

So there's a gift and a curse in this whole situation, but I would rather have Steve here right now with me and be doing whatever I'm doing. But I just want to say that I forgive you and I hope wherever you at in life.

You ain't do this again. And you learn from it.

[Mel Robbins]

What's so beautiful.

About.

Your brother? Sounds like an amazing guy, man.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

He was fucking crazy, man.

[Mel Robbins]

The best people are.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Steve didn't give a fuck. And that's where I got it from. He was this little short guy, but he had the biggest heart. And he was just like. This dude was funny. He was crazy. He was just like. There's things he would say in the house, the things he would say to people, like, he really didn't give a fuck. And I'm talking about, in a way, whereas, though, he just lived.

[Mel Robbins]

Well, here's what I got from what.

I just experienced with you.

That when you forgive, you actually create the space for your brother to live on in you.

And so his life Gets bigger. And when you hold on to something horrible like that and you allow the hate and the darkness to take hold, you not only shrink the life of the person that you lost, but you also shrink your own life. And you could feel it. You could feel both the pain that you feel and the love that you have, but you could also feel the freedom. So thank you.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Thank you.

[Mel Robbins]

If the person who's been with us takes one thing from your remarkable life and all of the wisdom and truth that you've shared today and they take one action, what do you think the most important thing for them to do.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Is miss the book? Yes to you and no to them. You see where you at. This you, this you up here. You see where they at, the discipline of saying no and the freedom that follows. Yes to you. We live in this world where as though everybody is looking for somebody to come and save them. Everybody's looking for a reason to be upset with somebody when they don't get their way. It's not perfect, but for so long you continuously choose others and you say yes to others, but you say no to you. When is you going to start saying yes to you and no to them? It's not about them no more. It's about you. You got to start choosing you and letting them go in order to grow, in order to glow, in order to go. That's what this is about. It's not about when you think about life. It's not even about.

Trying to appease nobody no more. How old is we, man? Like, what the. Like we living in a world where as though even a person at 18 and 19, they know better. Like we got too much information. Like, you know better. You got listen. Yes to you, no to them. That's. That's it. The people that be in your life, you. You ever notice how your mom say no? But you could deal with it. The people that really love you could deal with the people that really love you could deal with it. Your mom and dad been telling you no. Like, and you can deal. The people that really love you, the people that really deal with you, the people that really value you, they cool with it. They ain't got no problem with it. They don't have no problem with it. The people that really.

Love you is going to stay and the people that don't is going to go. You don't want them in your life anyway. You already know why they was there. So what are we talking about? Like, what is we really talking about? You got to think about that. What is we Talking about. And another thing. Fuck him. Fuck em. Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. Fuck him. Capital F. What we talking about? You know. That's all she said. Let me tell you something. Everybody out there. Come here, you, everybody home that's watching this.

Melly, Mel universe, everybody out there. I'm gonna tell y' all a secret. Mel really said fuck em. Fuck them. That's what Mel said.

[Mel Robbins]

And you know what else I said Fuck me. Because I'm the one in my own way. Fuck me.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Yeah, Mel. Fuck you, Mel. You in your own way, Mel.

[Mel Robbins]

That's right.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You gotta say it a little louder. Fuck me, Mel. Can you say it louder?

[Mel Robbins]

Fuck me, Mel. Fuck me, Mel.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Mel. Mel.

[Mel Robbins]

I'm in my own fucking way.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Mel is in her fucking way. Wilder.

[Mel Robbins]

2, 6, 7. God damn it. I'm always in my fucking way.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I'm always. Listen, Mel. Y' all looking at Mel. She got all this shit going on. She walk on stage, crown. She like.

Whole time. She backstage overthinking. Is my hair. Shut up, Mel. Stay not worrying about your hair. Fucking you tell me. Your glasses is perfect. See back there? Oh my God. Is this right, Mel? Let it go. Let the shit go. Fuck him. We talk. What we doing, Mel? You worry about the wrong shit, Mel. You creating problems for yourself, Mel. And that's what it. That's the whole thing. Like you gotta say yes to you, no to them. Man. Fuck em, man. Stop worrying. Listen. Stop worrying about them and worrying about you. Start loving you. Start. Matter of fact, before you love, you got to start liking you. Then you got to start loving you. Then you got to know, listen, I ain't got it all figured out, but I'm going to figure it out one day. And that's enough.

[Mel Robbins]

And if we keep following and listening to you, we're going to figure it out.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Listen, man.

[Mel Robbins]

Listen, Two, six, seven.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Definitely listen. But I'm going to say something to people.

[Mel Robbins]

Yeah.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

And this is from my chest. I don't know where you are right now, but if you living in America, I just want to say something very important to you. Very important. Don't let nobody turn you into somebody that you not. Don't let no ignorance, don't let no hatred. Don't let nobody idea that you're less than, that you're not worthy, that you're not special. Start interfering with your thought process and start having you doubting who you are. You're special. Everybody on this planet was made different. Everybody is a different person different. It's cool to have different outlooks on life and Let me tell you something. It's cool that we ain't got to agree, but one thing. We need each other in order for this world to work and for it to be a better place. No matter your color, no matter your sexual identity, no matter where you come. That's not. What's important is when humans connect, great shit happen all the time. We're stronger together. We always got to continue to be an example for the world. The way we be example is be great. Come together and do great things. A lot of times some people might not see that, but we got to think above, we got to move above. We got to live above the stuff that divide us, you know?

[Mel Robbins]

Wallow267. When they say, don't ever meet the people that you admire, don't meet your heroes, they weren't talking about you because you are extraordinary. I have been so excited to meet you. I am so proud of you. And I'm so grateful that you're in the world doing what you're doing.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Thank you.

[Mel Robbins]

So keep doing it, please.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Thank you. I appreciate you for having me.

[Mel Robbins]

Mel, let me ask you, so what are your parting words?

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

My parting words is I thought I'd said a lot of parting words. But the parting words is new book coming out. Mel Rob, right? We gonna shorten her name. We know the new book. Her name gonna be Melly Mel wallow267. Fuck him. The new book coming out, the tour is coming all around the world. It's gonna be crazy. The middle finger is gonna be the T shirt and the hat. You gotta choose you over choose it. It's gonna be crazy, Mel. You just gotta listen. We taking Mel back to our college days when she was Melly Mel, we gonna show you the other side of the game. That's the bell. We go. We the other side of the game. See, we wiling out. We not. Come on, man. That's what we doing. Be on the lookout, man.

[Mel Robbins]

Oh, my God. I love you, man.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

I love you too, Mel. Like Mel. We only got one shot. We living once. Let's live, man. Let's live like we. Come on, man. You didn't listen. Do your thing, man. Have fun. Go to a party, man. Go dance at some people party you don't know. Go crash a wedding. Do something. Fuck it like. Damn, man. We not gonna be here forever. Fuck is we doing, Mel? Shit.

[Mel Robbins]

Wasting time. That's what we're doing. But not no more.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

Not me. Shit. We outta here.

[Mel Robbins]

Oh my God. We're outta here. I cannot wait to see what you do with this conversation and the truth. The truth that you are the one that's in your own way. The truth that you are going to. Like, what are we doing? Why are you worried about what Susie in accounting says? Sorry, Susie. Like, why are you worried about what your friends from high school? Stop. Let yourself live. Let yourself be the person that you know that you are. There is nothing holding you back except for you. And if Wallow can do this from a prison cell, you can do this from wherever you are right now. And know that Wallow and I are gonna be here every step of the way to encourage you to keep moving forward, to keep saying yes to yourself. And I wanna say thank you. Thank you for spending time listening to this. Thank you for sharing this with everybody that you know. It is such an important conversation. It's such an important amount of truth for you to accept in your life and to apply to your life. But in case no one else tells you this today, I wanted to be sure to tell you, as your friend, that I love you and I believe in you, and I believe in your ability to create a better life. And if you don't believe that now, after listening to Wallo, I'll tell you what. Go back and listen again. Alrighty. I'll be waiting for you in the very next episode. I will welcome you in the moment you hit play. I'll see you there.

Like somebody that you deep down know you're not. Or if you feel. Oh, wait, hold on. If you've got big goals that keep. If you've got big goals, there's more people. Mentally, there's more people. And he's here. And here's the part that is a testament to. Okay. And here's the part of his story that is a testament to Wallow's unbreakable mindset. I learned a lot from you today.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

You better hold on to that. Him, though, Mel.

Thank you.

[Mel Robbins]

Oh, and one more thing. And no, this is not a blooper. This is the legal language. You know, what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you. This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes. I'm just your friend. I am not a licensed therapist. And this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. Got it? Good. I'll see you in the next episode.

[Wallace Peoples (Wallow)]

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