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Foreign it's the Musers, the podcast Cowboys Weekly edition. George Dunham, along with Bob Sturm, our football friend, is back for something a little new. Bob, this was really your idea like a year ago, and I just blew it off as just a terrible idea and said, I don't know, Bob, no one's going to listen to a cowboy podcast. But here we are. We're back.
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B
Well, it was 2024. People weren't quite sure what podcasts were, so we just needed society to sort of catch up with the medium. But I think we're there now. And no, this is. Look, this is so much fun. It's great to be under the umbrella of the musers, the podcast, and certainly it's always great to be allies with the Kings.
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Well, it just means you may have Jerry riding along for some of these. So you just never do. We have a little bit of the.
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B
Oh gosh, he lives here. That's amazing.
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He never leaves. You just never know when he's going to show up.
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B
But man, Gene loves it. You and I have been doing something that is sort of like this for years and years and years and changes over time from a text or a phone call or time killing at guys night out or whatever.
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Usually it's a text from you saying, you sure about that, dude? Yeah, I think so.
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B
We just have to check each other's work. But now the film grinding is going on and just all the fun things and so the idea of a weekly get down with one of my football leaders, it's just great. So I'm really fired up to go through the season. Who knows where it goes, but. But we do know where it starts right here. A couple football friends just getting it done.
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And true to form, maybe Jerry. The Cowboys, just a week before they open their season, they haul off and trade Micah Parsons to the Packers. Then they get beat by the Eagles.
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B
Yeah, we did.
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And now we get set for the New York Giants. So we'll cover that on Today's episode. Let's start with Micah. Yeah, we were all shocked. Even though I'm not as opposed to the trade, as a lot of people in town, we were all shocked by it. I can't believe they hauled off and did this. But as we started digging through it and digging through the rubble of what exploded here in Dallas, it made more sense to me than I think it did to you. But let's start because it's pretty weird because the packers are your team growing up and now he's in Green Bay.
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B
Okay, can we start with why does it make more sense to you?
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Because I have been told and we've talked about this and I think we've been very responsible about it because most of it has been off air. We've brought some to the air.
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B
That's right.
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But I've been told the last few years that Micah is a pain in the butt. And inside the facility, inside the locker room during the course of games. I think there's a reason why DeMarcus Lawrence used to have a major problem with Micah because he didn't always do what he was supposed to do. And I think he was probably still is a very self centered player. I think there's some nuance to it.
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B
Yep.
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I think a lot of those things are true. But if you're a pass rusher in the NFL, see quarterback get quarterback and that's a very valuable player to have on your team. I understand that. But I think there's a lot of things that work here. There is a salary cap issue.
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B
Yes.
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And there is a negotiation that if you want to blame it on Jerry, that's fine. Or if you want to blame it on Micah, it went sideways.
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B
Let's go, Mako.
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And it went sideways, I guess maybe a little further than we thought. And that happened back last March.
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B
Yeah, I mean, for me it starts with it. It is so out of character for the Cowboys to send away one of their premier players. Like.
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Yes.
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B
I don't remember that ever happening, to be honest. I suppose you can go back to Herschel Walker, but. But that was a horrible team and this team has been very competitive. Why Micah Parsons has been here. Save the weird 2024. So you start there, then you start with it makes no sense from a Packer standpoint in the sense that they've never gone all in on a move like this. Sure, we'll sign Reggie White, we'll sign Charles Woodson, that doesn't cost us anything. But the trade 2 number ones is a thousand percent opposed to Everything the.
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Packers do and a starter.
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B
Right. And so you get those two things at the top. The. He's a lot, he's a handful, he's annoying. All these different ways of saying the same thing. Yeah, there's no doubt, there's no doubt that Micah Parsons is a lot. And maybe the cowboy you compare him to most for me is DEZ Bryant. Because I would hear all the same things about DEZ Bryant is that, you know, we have to make sure he's at the meetings. We have to make sure that he's doing what he's in the treatment room when we need him there. We have to make sure that, you know, he's not causing too much of a sideshow on the sideline when he gets frustrated. You know, DEZ was a lot.
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Yes.
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But he also was unbelievable. And I think the emotional component and also the fact that he wasn't really a conformist were held against him when he started becoming one of the top, top earners on the team. And so I get that. You know, there's, there's a real, there's a real objective. Like even at the radio station, if you're going to make so and so your highest paid asset, you want everyone else to kind of look to him as a role model, right?
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Yes.
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They do things the right way. They lead by example. And so to make Micah that guy or DEZ that guy does make you uncomfortable.
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A
Yes. But speaking of podcast, could we just maybe not have him doing a podcast where he doesn't put his own quarterback in the top 10?
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Yeah, well, I mean, there's, there's a lot, there's, there's a lot of off field stuff. My thing that I keep coming back to in this league is so many of the special players are also in that personality. Maybe the greatest one of all, at least in my lifetime, is like Randy Moss. So if you fixated on what Randy Moss did to annoy you, then you lose sight of the fact that he's winning you lots of games every year. And, you know, and now up in Minnesota, here's the other Cowboy thing is we're not winning the super bowl even with him, so what's the point? And I hate that argument so much because you can literally say that about any player at any position on a team that hasn't realized its team objectives. This sport is too complex to say we weren't winning with him. I mean, Emmett Smith, in his prime on this Cowboys team is probably not winning titles, but he is possibly the greatest running back this league has ever seen. And so to blame your best players for your team failures is tiresome. And we did this with Roma. We did this with DeMarcus Ware. We did this with Whitten. We. We do this with everybody because they are the most visible and they are the most compensated. And therefore, we want to hold them accountable for 30 years. And I just, you know, I think that's. I think that's lazy.
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A
What about the annual Micah Fade production second half of a season? And you want to go back to that Green Bay game again? Holy smokes. Where was he?
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B
Well, I would say we do have some sample size abnormalities on one hand. I also went back to that Green Bay game because you did pull me offside. And I'd love to get into this with on field effort because I don't want to fight you. In our first episode, I don't know.
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If I sided the Green Bay game. I can't remember.
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I love it.
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I can't remember what game it was, but I remember showing you last year. Would you call this effort, Bob? And it was Micah singled out. And it was like, wow, that is not good.
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Okay. I would just say, as a general rule, you can. You can find plays of any player probably where it looks like they have more to give. There could be exhaustion, There could be illness, There could be injury, or there could be he's given up the fight, which would be a horrible, horrible thing to say, but one play or. I don't want to necessarily debate every single play of the guy's career. I just want to say, as somebody who has been very, very intent on studying his entire. Every play of his career to this point, I do want to say I've never felt effort is a problem. Now, exhaustion, sometimes that's a result of too much effort. Like, you go. You go too hard all the time. I mean, in hockey, there's a reason the shifts are 40 seconds, because if they went that hard for two minutes, their legs would stop moving. And it's not because they're not trying. It's because they've spent it all. And I do think that happens. Okay, does it happen at the end of the season? I think that's overblown. I think his pressure numbers are pretty flat or pretty consistent across the board. But you're right. The sacks and the big, big plays against the big, big teams. He's right there with Dak and CD and everybody else of. We'd love to see more in these biggest games. And where were you? Now, I will say, in the Green Bay game, in Particular, I didn't see effort poor at all, especially against the run, which is what people now say is almost gospel. But then the other thing that is wild to me is he's a pass rusher. And for me, pass rushers down 27, nothing, don't get to rush the passer because the other team isn't passing the ball.
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That's right.
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So why didn't he get sacks in a game where we were instantly down two scores and then quickly down four scores for the rest of the game? I just don't think Green Bay gave you a chance to sack the quarterback because fair enough, they're not idiots.
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Here's where I am going to look bad here in the next few weeks and in the next few months because I think there's a good chance Micah comes in with a really good Green Bay team and smokes the Cowboys in late September and he very well may be a part of a Super bowl team this year and it's going to.
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And maybe he's on his best behavior now. I don't know.
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He may be.
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I don't know. You know, a lot of times when guys get a wake up call in their life, although $188 million is quite a wake up call. We'd all like that. But I'm just.
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By the way, and do you think he's worth that? Do you think he is worth $47 million a year?
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B
You know what, I think that number's a little fuzzy because for green bay it's 41.8 because they get the final the fifth year and it's all new to them. So when they look at the structure, it's five years for 209 million. So that comes out to 41.8 a year. So for them, it's slightly more than T.J. watt. I believe the packers would have given two first for T.J. watt this summer, even though T.J. watts, 31, okay, maybe they would have paid more because he's Wisconsin zone and all that. But. But I think they were trying to get TJ Watt and then they couldn't believe Micah Parsons was available for roughly the same price at five years younger. So to them they're saying, okay, TJ Watt is at 41.5, Micah Parsons at 41.8. At age 26. We don't even think about that for a second. From the Cowboys, 47 a year at is new money to them. They got to make it work. I don't see why they couldn't structure the contract the exact same way where Green Bay is paying him like $9 million this year and very little in the first three years. But. But the money's the money. You're right. You got to be super careful given what you've done with Dak. Given what you've done with cd which is why I would go back to this. I don't hate the trade. I hate how the trade was done.
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Sure. And I'm with you there. If you were that offended by Jerry talking to him and apparently having a deal and then apparently that same day Micah goes to Stephen, then that's an indication of what's going to happen down the line. Trading before the draft, trade him on draft day.
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Yeah, yeah. I think you have to trade him where you can maximize value. And I think you have to agree that Kenny Clark at this age is a very nice player, but adding Kenny Clark to the 25th pick, let's say, and the 27th pick is just not enough for this player.
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I don't know. That second half Cowboy defense, as we're going to talk about later, look pretty good to me.
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I agree. But I just think. I think you could do way better. I think. I think Micah, at this point, you need to talk to teams where you could be picking a lot higher. But I do think he's the type of guy that. Two first two seconds sounds about right for me. He's too special. Then the other thing, if we're going to talk about what a. I don't want to say bad guy, but what a problematic guy he is in your structure and in your room and podcasts, then why were you trying to sign him? Why were you saying to everybody that we offered him more guarantees than Green Bay and we thought we had a deal in April. And so the whispers out of the franchise bother me from a standpoint of they're not really credible at the top. Because at the top they wanted Micah Parsons to be a Cowboy.
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Yeah.
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Even the. We can get five guys for the price of one. I mean, that's all just coping. Right. It's spin.
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They did. But I have heard it from some other people that are not named Jerry Jones of. Okay, there's. There's an upside to the other people.
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You tell me there's an upside.
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They're on your side, Jerry. That it's an upside.
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Yes.
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To this.
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Because I've heard the same stuff. I don't deny it.
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You just don't necessarily believe it. I just don't necessarily believe Bill Barnwell's numbers, that they're the best defense over the Last four years when Mike is on the field. I just don't believe it.
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Well, Bill Barnwell is not actually. I mean, he's collating them. He's not creating them.
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Right.
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And to make it way easier than EPA per play or DVOA or all these numbers that make our head spin, let's just go to the most basic ones. Number one in takeaways, number one in sex.
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Okay, that's pretty good.
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I mean, those are objective.
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That's pretty good.
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There's no opinion there.
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And most of those came in the first 12 weeks of the season. Because in the last five weeks, those.
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Well, I'm saying from 21 to 23, like the entire Dan Quinn era, they were number one in both over. What is that, 17 times, 351 games?
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That's pretty strong.
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That's pretty strong.
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Now, you couldn't stop the run very consistently during all that.
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That's right.
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And there's more that factors into it than just.
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And people will say, where were your Super Bowls? Where were your playoff runs? And it's. Again, that's both true and the most frustrating way to evaluate personal contributions. Right.
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Yeah. It's going to be fascinating to watch it this year. I mean, frustrating and fascinating at the same time.
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I just. For me, I come back to we're letting special players get out of this city at a rapid rate. It appears in their mid-20s, and that's weird to me. You know, Luca is Luca. Micah is Micah. But there are absurd similarities between the two of them in the sense of, yeah, we wish they would have had a couple personal habits that were a little easier to deal with. But at the same time, wow, the new teams are like, are you serious?
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He's available, Micah Parsons, and I think they have a much better team to support him in Green Bay, which is.
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Which is why, for Green Bay.
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Yeah.
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Get the lead and let him. Let him eat off. Yeah, absolutely. It is what it is.
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All right, we'll talk more about Mike, I'm sure, throughout this year.
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Let's talk about last time, George.
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Let's talk about moral victories and what we saw in Philadelphia. Next.
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Really.
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That's why that game in so many aspects that we'll talk about here seem different.
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Yeah, it felt like the one that got away a little bit. And there's a couple of reasons. One, if you rank the 17 games this season, I would say going in that I think that's the toughest one.
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Yeah.
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And two, it kind of feels like you probably should have won that game. So those two things really. And we lowered the Bar. We lowered the bar. To many of us, give it a good effort. Many of us thought Eagles -8 looked like a really good idea. And not that we endorse gambling at all. That's a horrible thing. And frankly, it's illegal in Texas, so don't even think about that. But I don't know, I support it pretty well, so. We appreciate that. Bring on the sponsors. Yeah, yeah, we are going to get there. But I just. I thought they battled their tail off. And I think you and I are on the same page in this. If you can win at the line of scrimmage, you can win a lot of football games. And the offensive line was believable. The running concepts we were promised were there. They had six or seven different ideas, not two or three. The motion was there at the snap. The misdirection, all very good. Your quarterback was locked and. And then in the second half, the defense came alive. So lots of really good grades, but of course, not the result that really matters. So it's nuance. And here on Football Friends or whatever we call our show. I want us to be capable of nuance because I do think the quick headline won't always capture that well in.
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If you're a detractor of this team's not that good. They got the same problems because they have the same players. Heck, Schottenheimer was here last year. You fumble the ball at a critical time in the game and that thwarted a drive. But, man, I look at the other drives and they resulted in either touchdowns or. How about the field goal at the end of the first half? That was. Well, for a team that's had so many clock problems. Yeah, clock, Jerry. Oh, dang. Over the last couple of years, they've.
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Had other problems too.
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That was a thing of beauty.
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Clock problems. I got an extra kid out of the deal.
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Okay. I was waiting for that, but you know, I mean, just little things like that of. Okay, you got a late field goal. As time runs out in the first half, there was. There was a lot. We'll talk about offense first. We'll get to the defense. And I think you're right, as far as I saw the word around town. Well, Tyler Booker, he's a rookie, struggled, and he did have a few moments. But what I saw that offensive line together, by the way, for the first time when it counted against a. Still a good front, even without Jalen Carter. That was a whole nother thing and a game of strange circumstances. I thought they looked really good up front.
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Yeah. You know, Booker will tell You, I think the offensive line coaching staff will tell you he can be way better. And if that's a version of first game jitters and whatever, then they're going to be super thrilled with Tyler Booker. I thought Tyler Guyton was decent. You know, I know the grades are what the grades are, and, you know, pass pro is always going to be an issue with him until he gets that footwork nailed down and just the balance and so forth that he needs. Honestly, there's a lot to like there. And then, you know, I really enjoyed that the running game is more varied, and I know this is off in the weeds, but I kind of nerded out this summer looking at Clayton Adams coming over from Arizona, and Arizona somehow runs the ball like you wouldn't believe. And then people will say, well, I bet you that's Kyler. No, Kyler's never run less than he is now, especially sometimes it's with a receiver.
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And yes, it's different ways to run it.
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That's right. And so when you say, well, can this work with Dak? I think it absolutely can, because the quarterback wasn't really the feature in Arizona, and it doesn't have to be here. And then the other thing in Arizona is, go ahead and name for me your favorite offensive lineman for Arizona, you know, and I know James Conner is a great story, but what are we talking about at running back at Arizona? But that was like a top three running team last year, and I do think a lot of it is schematics. And schematics are not just the play you run, but the way you dress it up. And, you know, to see Cavante Turpin, kind of that orbit motion going one direction and then a naked pitch the other direction, I mean, that's the type of thing that can really cross up a defense and outflank them. George. And so last year, and really the entire McCarthy run was almost entirely outside zone, inside zone, and there was a little bit of like a pole lead component to it, but everything else was almost 0% for the season. And Arizona, they're running power, they're running counters, they're running, you know, a lot of this man gap scheme stuff that we used to see here. And using outside and inside zone as sort of the fastball that everything else is built off of, but way less of it and then way more other types of runs, even some trick plays in there, getting Turpin going out to the flanks and in space. And I think when you look at it, I think the running game getting going which means they can't be bottom five in the NFL anymore. We've got to get past that. And I think most casuals will say, well, then we need to invest in a running back. That can help. Yeah, but the meat and potatoes of any run game is not a running back. I mean, you put a great running back with a Mickey Mouse scheme and a Mickey Mouse offensive line, he is screwed. We've seen this since we were kids.
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Absolutely.
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So I think the running back might be the last piece that you go get next spring. But I think for now, you build up these big investments up front. You get the scheme going, the window dressing going, and voila, you're at least NFL average, running the football well.
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And you have the splash. Plays like the Miles Sanders 49 yard run before the fumble. That was the thing of beauty. And to your point, that was not outside zone. That was almost Lombardy. Like, hey, let's go left and let's take the whole team with us. Pulling out. Yeah, it was beautiful. Well executed. And poor Miles Sanders. I've heard this. Well, if that would have been Jaden Blue, he would have scored. I don't know. It was. It was a good heart. He ran it and smashed it up the sideline. And then this is what I liked. And they're not spectacular plays. I don't know about you, but over the last few years, third and two, fourth and one scared me to death with this team.
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Yes.
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And they executed those very well against. Against Philadelphia. Little thing, but I think that was a big step forward. And again, confirmation of this coaching staff to tell these guys, this can work. It worked against the defending super bowl champs.
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You've got to make power your calling card. And I don't mean the play. I mean the concept of being a powerful team up front. You can't. You know, I like Brock Hoffman. He's a nice player in this league. He belongs in the NFL. But I think if you're starting a lineman who barely weighs 300, I think you're limited against the Jalen Carters and Dexter Lawrences of the world. That's why you go get Tyler Booker. Now, did you overpay for a guard? Did you know that's the highest guard selected in the NFL Draft since 2018? And Quentin Nelson.
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Oh, wow. Well, he turned out pretty good.
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Yes, he did. But 12 overall for a guard is pretty rich. When we talk about, can you pay this guy this much or this guy this much? And they're all resources that you're spending. So if you're going to get A guard at number 12, then you better get one who transforms your front into a power front. We believe Tyler Smith is a powerful man. We believe Tyler Guyton has all the makings of a powerful man. Terence Steele isn't bad. Cooper Beebe is decent as a center. And if you can line those five up and start pushing people around like we saw on Thursday night, yes, Jalen Carter would have made a difference, there's no doubt about it. But we still have to fall back on their intent in the off season. Makes sense because they have not bullied teams nearly enough. And then what the defense is doing is just getting run over in 2024, much like they did in 2020 with Mike Nolan. So the two bookends for Dan Quinn, the Mike Nolan and Mike Zimmer defenses were just flat out embarrassing.
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Yeah.
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In the run game. Terrible 200 yard run games all day long and so on each side of the ball. You have got to be able to hold your own at the line of scrimmage. That's why the Eagles are the Eagles and you're not. And I feel like the steps forward were great.
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You posted on your X account. Some still call it Twitter sportsterm.
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I also call it the Death Star not at and T Stadium.
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A defense that had a really tough time in the first half. You nailed it with posting those eight or 11 running plays.
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Eight plays for 11 yards.
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That's what it was. And I noticed that too. And that is Saquon Barkley with, hey, let's just run it on these jokers and put this game out of reach. And they couldn't do it.
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Yeah.
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When's the last time you saw a cowboy defense do that?
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That's exciting, man. That whole defensive line has been switched out except OSA like everybody else is different from 2024. Sam Williams was hurt. Marshawn Nealon was a puppy and hurt for a good portion of the year. Is anybody else back? Dante Fowler's new, Ezraku's new. Then all the tackles are new. But also right.
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Yeah.
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I mean everyone. Thomas Splash Solomon is fine. Kenny Clark's really good to fighting in there and he's going to get better and better.
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I think your linebackers are better than they were last year. Certainly against the run.
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Yeah. Perry on Winfrey will help when he's ready to roll. I think so. So they changed out everybody. They were looking for a certain type of player and I thought for the most part, even in the first half. Saquon, it was tough sledding. They had. He had that one Pitch out to the left where he got some stuff done on a play. Not that dissimilar to the Miles Sanders play, to be honest, but for the most part. Saquon Barkley, we believe that's the best offensive line and the best running back in the league. And the Cowboys held him to like 60 yards on, was it 16, 18 carries, so that's great. The Jalen hurts stuff is not great. Where the quarterback run component of a dual threat Quarterback is something this league is turning into quickly. There are so many offenses that ask their quarterback to go in on third down or go in in the deep red zone. And you know, this is where you need a better linebacker group.
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Yep.
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I don't disagree with what you said about the linebackers in the run game. I would just say in this league. And by the way, this is why if I'm doing a deal with the Packers, I've got to get Edrin Cooper back. And I, I bet if he held their feet to the fire. Maybe I'm crazy, but I almost think they probably would have done that instead of Kenny Clark.
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Really?
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I, I don't know. But I do know the Cowboys can't be a great defense until they have more speed at linebacker or more special run and hit at linebacker. Like right now, they've kind of been in the discount bin. Kenneth Murray, God bless him, he played every snap. But, but he's not good. He's just, he's.
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Yeah, he's at the end of his.
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Career and I think it's only like year six, though. Like he's 26 years old. So if he's at the end of his career, that's, that's a quick one. But I guess what I would say is the grades for him, the, you know, not the be all end all, but the PFF grades for him over his five years. 52nd ranked linebacker as a rookie, 90th out of 94, 79th out of 90, 80th of 88 and 85th of 90. So he's in the bottom 10% of linebackers every year. And the Cowboys traded for him and are paying him 7.75 million this year. He's got the green dot. He's playing every snap. And I believe he was the lowest rated defender in run defense in week one. And the tape kind of shows it.
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I can believe that. But I think Jack Sanborn gives you something.
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Yes, I do.
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And you're going to get DeMarvi and Overshown back at some point.
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See, now that's speed and I think.
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Sher James has some speed and I think he's going to get on the field more.
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Okay. And why is Liafu playing for snaps?
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I don't know. See, to me that's one guy who played in the preseason that showed. Hey, look at him. You can play.
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You made him play in the preseason. Yeah. No, I think I, I think the whole key is going to be Overshone. My, my thought watching that is when Jalen Hurts is making bad things happen every third down and every red zone is. I think Overshone can corral and make the plays where Murray can't. Sanborn probably can't like Sanborn. That touchdown to Hertz, he's got a race to the pylon and he didn't even make it close. And I think he had the better angle because he's going right down the goal line and Hertz is escaping and heading towards the pylon. And you know, Sanborn is a nice player, but not in space. Not. And not sideline to sideline. Right.
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That's where Overshone can really be a difference maker.
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Yeah. So that's going to be interesting if. If over shown is the same twitched up dude that he was when we saw him healthy and if he can stay healthy, maybe that's the solution. But I, I want to do this before we leave the Eagles game. I want to talk Dak with you.
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Okay.
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Because I think he will be a topic every week probably.
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Sure.
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And I do think he has gone from. Well, I just think now as apathetic as Cowboy fans are, I think they're so over Dak Prescott kind of in a. We just don't want to look at his face anymore. And you know, it's just, it's. It's really where Romo was entering 2014. If you can remember. If you can remember. 8 and 8. 8 and 8. 8 and eight. And Romo missed the final game in 13 because of his back. And remember that they had a playing game against the Eagles which they lost with Kyle Orton. And that was the year after they lost to RG3 in a play in game with the Redskins, which was a year after they lost to Eli in a play in game with the Giants.
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Those were dark years.
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2011 through 2013 are some of the most ridiculous years in Cowboy history, if you don't count Dave Campo.
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Supposed to be funny, but.
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But people in that 14 off season were so out on Romo and they were just like, this just ain't going to work. He's just not that good. Why did you guys.
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I Don't know how you could watch the Eagles game and say, Dak Prescott is not that good.
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No, absolutely not. And he has been good. And that's the thing is. Yes. Small step back in 2024, which I think is explainable given how ridiculous the skill positions were and how we're doing this dog and pony show where we're not going to give you any running backs and we're going to make you play Zeke and Dalvin Cook and we're going to healthy scratch Rico Dowdle. Or we're going to say he has the flu in San Francisco. It was just so crazy. No second wide receiver, just all this stuff. And then everybody's like, what's wrong with that? What's wrong with Dak? We're paying him all this money.
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See, this is part of a. Maybe we'll do this next week. I'm a big believer in who's around the quarterback more than the quarterback.
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Yes.
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I'm such a big believer in that. And we don't put any nuance to it. We just go, well, when. Okay, well, who's around him? That's why you see Baker Mayfield doing incredible things in Tampa now.
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Yes.
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Because he has a much better group around him. He's had a couple of people coach him up, too, to the NFL level. But, yeah, I'm a big believer in that.
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The conversation, like with Jalen Hurts is crazy because I'm saying to Corby that I don't get. See, it's a weird conversation because it's exactly what you're saying in the other direction. The goal of a football organization is to make your quarterback's life easy.
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Yeah.
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To have solutions.
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And they've done a great job of that in Philadelphia.
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And the Eagles deserve all the credit in the world.
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Absolutely.
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But when you play Jalen Hurts, what is the defense trying to do? I'll tell you, they're trying to make him play quarterback.
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Yeah.
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Because he doesn't most of the time. And that game on Thursday night, people are going to be like, man, he's just a winner. And he does make winning plays. He does play winning football. And that's all true, but I think at the same time, he's not playing the same position as what Dak Prescott's being asked to do.
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I totally agree.
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Like, it's weird because that's why I.
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Think Caleb Williams will eventually struggle unless they find the right sort of system.
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Him.
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And I don't know if that's been Johnson and.
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Right.
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Yeah, it's a. It's A whole thing.
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Yeah, it's. It's. It's such a fascinating position. It's the most important one. It's the one that's talked about the most, but maybe understood the less, the least. And I'm not suggesting I have some great body of knowledge about this, but I do think to have an honest conversation about what a quarterback does, we have to go way deeper than this guy just wins and this guy just doesn't. Ergo, this guy's clearly better at his job than this guy as well. No, there's so much. And when the job description for a quarterback, like if I said job, write down for me the job description of a quarterback. And you would. And you'd have a lot of great things that you want to see. And then we say, okay, well, apply that to Jalen Hurts. Well, he doesn't have to do A, B, C or D, but on enf, he does a really good job. Okay. But he's not actually doing. It's like.
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But they run the EF offense in Philly.
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They run the EF offense and they win every week. His fault. And he's making tons of money and he's getting tons of credit, and now he's a made man with a ring. So when you say to somebody, I don't think Jalen Hurts is actually playing the same position that these other guys are being judged on. I think it comes down to, like, the Justin Herbert question, which is, could Justin Herbert win in Philadelphia?
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No, probably not.
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Not the way that I think. I think Justin Herbert goes in there and they run a different offense because he's capable of.
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Okay. I thought you were saying with the offense they're running now. Yeah. You can win if you changed up what you were doing. Yeah.
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And then how do you.
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Those guys on the outside and that tight end. Yeah.
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Now, do you like Jalen Hurts taking the Chargers to the Super Bowl?
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No.
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I don't either.
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No.
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So I did, you know, it's. It's the Dak conversation, but flipped on its ear. And so now if you have a running game, if you have an offensive line, if you have a George Pickens opposite CD Lamb, if Jake Ferguson can catch a touchdown, which I think he. That is. What, a play before the fumble. Yeah, the play before the fumble. You hit your tight end right in the hands in the end zone. I know. He got lit up, boy.
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He got.
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Yeah, but Drew Pearson said it.
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I saw catches like that all the. A number of times in the NFL this past weekend.
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Drew Pearson say they're going to hit you either way, you might as well catch the ball.
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Yeah.
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And if Jake Ferguson doesn't bobble that in the air, he doesn't get lit up like that. If he catches it and hits the ground like he always does. Yeah, he's going to get hit, but it's not going to be that vicious.
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One of the thing from the Philly game, the four drops by CD Lamb, did you ever get an explanation, the one that was right in his bread basket, that Dak could not have walked out there any better? I noticed it the night of the game, then going back and looking at the all 22. Was that a CD actual bust on a route? Babe Laufenberg says this week that I never got an explanation, but he thinks he was throwing the ball to Jalen Tolbert, who is just on a go route and right underneath cd. And I wonder if it just dawned on cd. Oh, my gosh, I just cut off Tolbert. Or was Tolbert supposed to stop?
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Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I also don't know if you're a receiver once you see the ball in the air, if it's just time to go get it. Yeah, I don't know. And also I think if you look at the end zone view of that play, I feel like Dak is absorbing contact as he's letting that ball go. So I see what Babe is saying. I also wonder if Dak would say if I don't get hit. That's out in front of cd. I don't know. You know, there's a lot going on.
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CD had his man beat, even if he keeps going down the sideline.
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Yeah, there's. It's clear. There's no route concept where two guys are running into each other 50 yards downfield. So. So that's not ideal.
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Which brings us back to what Troy Aikman said last year of I look at these routes these guys are running, I don't know what they're doing. And I thought about that on that play, but I don't know. Just.
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Well, with cd.
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Another strange play. In a strange night, it would be.
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That red line throw right where they talk about, you know, when we go to camp, there's a red line between the numbers and the sideline, which is where the quarterback wants to drop the go route right on that red line. So you're not running him out of bounds, but you're also not running him back into the safety. So stay on that line. And that kind of looked like what CD was doing. But also you turn around and at a point like that in the game, I love that CD is like, this is my ball, I'm going to go get that ball. So now we get to the drops, then get it.
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If you got to go get that ball, then get it.
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Yeah. And so here is my half baked explanation for that. I think that I'll put in the time capsule as we look back at this game in 10 years and try to remember what happened in week one in 2025, if we're all still doing this at 10 years, you know.
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Yeah, I don't know about that.
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Well, anyway, I would say in my head everything after the weather delay was off in both directions, which is understandable.
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Because it was not a, a 20 minute delay. It was an hour and 16 minutes.
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Or something, something like that. And then they're playing after midnight on the east coast. And I'm going to make a bunch of excuses for both teams, but how often do you see a 41 point first half and a 3 point second half? I mean it. And after the delay it was 00 the rest of the way and both teams had the ball, I think three times each or something like that. So it was a extremely weird game where nobody could stop scoring. Then we have a long, awkward, unique delay and then nobody can do anything on offense. And so I'm not trying to blame uncrustables or weather delays or anything other than it's weird that the Eagles and the Cowboys offenses stop functioning after that delay and all. I don't want to say all three of CDs four drops were after that. I believe the Ferguson drop was right before it. I believe the Ferguson drop, then the fumble and then they called the teams.
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Off the field because it was. The delay was after the fumble.
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So you know, it's not great that 1 and then the 4th and 3, which I heard you guys talk about it and I just. To me, I think if I throw that to CD 10 times, he catches it eight times on the fourth down. And I think it's, I think it's a play he has to make. I think it's a great throw. I also think it's the des catch scenario where you say it's 4th and 2 or 4th and 3. Do I need to get a fresh set of downs and not try this throw even though my best receiver is in man against a guy I know he's going to.
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And he just cooked him.
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Yes. Cooper De Jean slot fade like you dream about it. The throw is right, the receivers right. The matchup's right. He stacked DeJean. I mean, everything's great. You just got to make the play.
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And one reason why I think he may not have made that play, CD is, I think his first look back. And this is why that talk is always made for defensive backs and receivers. His first look back puts his hand back, slows him down just a fraction. You're right. I think Dak put that ball right on the money. If he doesn't break stride, heck, it may be six.
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I mean, I think the replay. The ball hits like his forearm.
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Yeah.
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You know, so. So the hands are past the ball.
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You have to leave your feet.
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No, I especially don't.
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If you don't look back like that. If you just keep your stride, I think.
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I think. I think if you keep your stride, which might go back to exhaustion, which might be a real thing.
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16 minute delay.
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Yeah. I mean, think about the last. Think about what time you start running on Sunday night and how many routes he's run and how physical that game is and just all these things. So there's a number of excuses, but the takeaway, much like, did the Cowboys win the game or didn't they? Is, did you catch the ball or didn't you? How much are you getting paid? How highly are you touted in this league? CD Knows all this. I've seen. I want to say this about CD Lamb, though, and this kind of goes back to the Micah thing. You have three guys who all need top of the market contracts. I think it's judicious to say, which two am I going to keep? And if you don't think you need to keep the quarterback, I think you're insane. Not that I think Dak is the best quarterback in the league, but this is a league.
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Yeah.
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And unless you have another quarterback ready, he's the best. We think he's the best. Dax got to be one of those two choices. So now it comes down to CD Or Micah. And I think they're both spectacular football players, but I think CD has competed for me at a level that I would say I've got no problem making this guy one of my top paid guys. And I don't think there's any funny business really off the field. I think he does the right thing and he's not a flawless player. But I think if you said to me, pick two of those three guys, okay, George says, I'm taking Dak and CD And I need to live without Micah, I accept that as a reasonable outcome, I probably would say the same thing. Although clearly that's a very difficult conversation because do you need a pass rusher or a big time receiver in today's NFL more? But I just think what I saw in 2024 from CD Lamb when Cooper Rush is his quarterback and when he's.
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Hurt, he's got a bad shoulder and he's still out there fighting his tail off.
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Now the cynics will say, yeah, he needed his thousand yards, say whatever you want. And people are going to say whatever they want till this team wins again. But to me, CD Lamb proved last year he's a warrior.
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Amen.
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And I think if you like this team, if you follow this team, riding with CD Lamb is probably the right take.
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I'm with you. See, we agree on more than we disagree.
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Of course we do.
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That's why we're football friends.
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I wanted more fighting than this. Come on, you need to be pitted against each other like I do my kids.
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Exactly. And you can't let down against the Giants.
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It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone. Learn more at WhatsApp.com TMTP Cowboys weekly edition George Dunham along with Bob Sturm and some very familiar voice in the background. Cowboys in Philly now on against the New York Giants. How do you not let down against a team that is so bad offensively? And I thought of you as I was. I watched a lot of that game Sunday and went back and looked at the all 22, which is even worse when you look at it from the Giants offensive perspective. Back to the quarterback conversation when he was younger and he was on really good teams that had really good ground games.
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Yeah.
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In Seattle Russell Wilson was a heck of a quarterback.
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There's no doubt he's been on some bad teams now very Jalen hurts in.
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Many ways and you put him on this Giants team and I thought about you Bob, because I've heard you talk about how quarterbacks hear or feel. Ghost There was a couple of plays where Russell Wilson just kind of Uncle Rico sidearmed it. One time he fell down and there was really not that much pressure. But that's a guy who's had his ears boxed in these last few years and I don't blame him for doing that. But it shows how bad their offensive line is. It shows I think how good the Washington front is. Long way of saying the Giants offense right now is a train wreck.
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Yeah. And honestly there's a conversation that they should just be going right to Jackson Dart, which we need to touch on here.
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But you have a coaching staff that's trying to keep their gigs right.
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And so many, many issues to Russell Wilson though and sort of being careful physically about taking a life altering amount of punishment as you are riding off into the sunset. It's interesting and I think of Roger Dorn in major league. I think of even the fighter pilots thing where once you lose the riskiness, the daredevilish of what makes you a fighter pilot, then they kind of got to put you at a desk because that's sort of the job is to risk life and limb for the mission and not to be too trite to use a Jerryism. I like that. You know, this is football. But at the same time there is an intersection of making $300 million and going back for one last year or two more years and making an extra 15, 20, 30 million, and your wife telling you, okay, but let's. Let's be smarter here. You've done so much. Let's have a nice life when we're done here. And so you got that Always. I think Favre had this at the end. And then Favre is thought of as the ultimate warrior.
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Really understandable.
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But there was that playoff game against the Vikings, I want to say, in 2006, where he's running towards the end zone, and you've seen him take on everybody, you know, throughout his career at a absurd suicide mission type, you know, kamikaze, I'm gonna. I'm gonna get in or die trying sort of thing. But that time, you know, Favre's 37, and he sees a linebacker running at him, and he sort of underhands the ball like Uncle Rico might or like Kip Dynamite Mike. And it was a total panic play, but it was in the playoffs. And you're like, you know, this is not Elway taking the. The Giant hit at the end of his career. This is a guy who's actually showing us he's a human. So that's a dark place as well. And now you got Brian Dable and Joe Shone, the general manager and head coach of the Giants, who both came over from Buffalo and were both, like, the chosen ones. Like, if you can make Buffalo into a winner, we want you. It's not that different Dabble than Ben Johnson is this year. Like, every couple of years, we find an assistant that can transform a franchise. I'm not saying people were quite as gaga over Dabble, but I know a lot of franchises that wanted to hire.
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Him, but, see, I love their conversations and hard knocks. Now, again, maybe I'm fooled by TV once again, but it seemed logical to me. Even as they're getting rid of Saquon Barkley, they made that make sense to me of, yeah, you got to do it.
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Well, sometimes you need a little luck, and maybe the Giants haven't received a little bit of luck, but when you look at that administration, they had to get. So when they took the job, Joe Shone had the fifth and the seventh pick overall that first year, and they had to hit on those two picks. And if they do, they're going to, you know, be the cornerstones of that administration. Well, it's Evan Neal and Kayvon Thibodeau, and Thibodeau's nice.
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He's a nice player.
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But Evan Neal, they haven't been able to start him at all. Yeah, I mean, he has a top 10 offensive lineman, and it's been a complete bust. Now, I thought he was great at Alabama, but he hasn't been great at all in the NFL. And that's really the issue with the Giants and with Andrew Thomas, I don't think going in week two unless you've heard differently. But he's their one good offensive lineman, the Georgia left tackle.
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Yeah. And I don't think he's going this week.
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I don't think he is either. They're trying to be judicious. I think he had the Liz Frank who joins us now, but I think he had. That's. Hey, guys. Hey, Liz. How y' all doing?
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Thank you.
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So what's up? What are y' all up to?
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Okay.
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Well, Liz, we're gonna get back to the. They just haven't ever fixed their offensive line. So now as we circle back to Jackson Dart, don't you think Russell Wilson and maybe even Jameis is what you do when you have a horrible offensive line? And let's not put Jackson Dart out there till we think the rest of this offensive line is able to succeed. At least wait till Andrew Thomas is in there and gets his sea legs and maybe we can get some semblance of being able to build a running game again and build past protection. Because really, if you want to go back to the Giants last Super bowl, you know, 2011 years ago. Yeah. You would say, what's. What do they have in common sense? And you would just say they've never had an offensive line that was anything above Daffy Duck, Right?
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Yeah, it's been bad.
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So the defense is coming around. I don't hate the Giants defense at all. In fact, with Brian Burns over here and Thibodeau over here and Abdul Garrett Carter now is up in the A gap. That's a problem. And Lawrence right next to him.
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And I think that could be a problem this week.
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Yes.
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For the Cowboys.
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Yeah, The Cowboys offense should see some resistance. There's no doubt they're way better. Their secondary is way better. They've done a lot of good things. Draft picks, free agency. You know, the Giants defense doesn't stink. Obviously, Malik Neighbors is great, but. But otherwise, what scares you about their offense, you know, Wanda Robinson in the slot is a little bit of a water bug and can be a problem, but they've missed on wide receiver upgrades. Besides Neighbors, remember, Jalen Hyatt was supposed to be a huge factor. He. Now they'll run him on a go route like eight times a game and maybe throw him a 50 yard pass, but he's just never been a good pro.
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Who's the guy that ended up in Kansas City?
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Oh, yeah, the Florida kid. Florida wide receiver. Son of a gun. Georgie. Number 80 something.
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Yeah, number 80 something.
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He might have been.
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He was supposed to be the guy in New York.
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And Kadarius. Tony.
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There we go.
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There you go. And he had a good game against the Cowboys at the Death Star a couple of years ago.
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Yeah.
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But. But they. They just. The Giants offensively are challenged. They hired an offensive scheme genius to fix it. And here we are in year four and we're still running.
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Doesn't have Josh Allen.
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Doesn't have Josh Allen. They. They screwed up the Daniel Jones thing. They actually screwed up by beating the Vikings in the playoffs, which caused them to resign. Daniel Jones, like all these things are connected. Sometimes playoff wins are bad, but Daniel.
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Jones orchestrates the first offense since 1977 to not have to punt during a game.
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Incredible.
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A
You want to explain that one to me?
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I'd rather just say they're Signing him to 4 for 160 was a horrible decision for the Giants and set their franchise back. And that's why they spent the off season hiring three quarterbacks. Russell Wilson, who's. Who's had it. James Winston, who's never really had it. He has the only 3030 season in recent history which is leading 30 touchdowns and 30 interceptions is just. Just a masterpiece.
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A
Craziest year ever for a quarterback. For the funniest guy in the NFL, without question.
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And then Jackson Dart, who we've seen him successful in a Lane Kiffin offense. Does that translate to the National Football League? He gives them the best chance. He's very toolsy. I did like what he did at Ole Miss, but I don't know. With an NFL playbook and a scheme and being able to play in structure without the paint by numbers lane Kiffin style. I don't know how that's going to work, but it's probably worth trying.
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A
Am I crazy for thinking Brian Dabel still a good coach?
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B
No. I think he would get hired quickly again.
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A
I think he would too. But I hear that now that is number just.
- [59:41]
B
It's just. It's a little like Robert Sala on the other side of the ball. You go to New York and you try to fix those generational messes.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And then everybody's like, yeah, you're probably just a good coordinator. Why don't you come home to San Francisco and run our defense, Boy.
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And I think it is a tough place to Coach to be a head coach. New York is such a bubble.
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B
Yeah. And, you know, not that different than like the Bears job. And which is why with Ben Johnson, I keep saying, you guys had a chance to hire Jim Harbaugh, who perfect for Chicago. He's perfect for Chicago, who has like the Ditka blessing all these things, and they just bearsed around and screwed that up. He's now the Chargers coach. The Chargers look like they're building nicely. And now Ben Johnson is a different version of Brian Dable. You're in like these so cynical football markets trying to learn how to be an NFL head coach in the lion's den and, you know, trying to bring a young quarterback along as he's in the Lions den. And you two are going to try to do something that really nobody's ever been able to accomplish. So those jobs and this job, the Cowboys job, I always feel so much more comfortable with a coach who is comfortable in his own skin. Which I guess is why I like the McCarthy thing is, like all this other stuff isn't going to freak him out. Most likely, he's seen that. Whereas shot in Heimer navigating, like game decisions and media, you know, responsibilities and all this stuff. It might be problematic, but maybe.
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I think so. Mark, we'll talk more about shoddy next week, but let's do that. I think. So far so good with him and out of the gate in Philly. I give him a lot of credit for getting them ready to play. And here we're patting him on the back again for a good effort. But it was a good effort and they did some things. It's like, okay, that is coaching and something we hadn't seen around here in a while.
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B
Okay. Huge Brian Schottenheimer test for week two. Okay, get your boys ready to play for a noon home game because this team for since that stadium has been open is so stinky.
- [61:51]
A
Farts and falls down a lot in games like this.
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B
They sleepwalk till the third quarter.
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Okay, I think shot is going to be fine this week.
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B
There we go.
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We'll talk about how great he is.
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We'll talk about his first win next week.
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Okay, that's what we're going to do. Football friends, Cowboys weekly edition.
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We're having good times, and we are, and it's something we're looking at and we do. And I'm just going to keep talking, just.
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Well, that's good. But just thank our producer, Peter Welter, for doing everything he wants to him.
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For doing everything that he's done all the positivity and the things and the stuff okay that he does we look at and we do. We do like to do that. Tmtp. That's the short for the Musers the Podcast. If you didn't know, Cowboys Weekly Edition will appear here each and every Thursday. Obviously the day after the music main course, the Musers Podcast, which will continue to show up here on Wednesdays. You don't have to do anything other than follow and subscribe wherever you are currently listening. Don't forget you can also email the guys and we'll even forward an email to bob the muserspotmail.com the musers the Podcast and the Cowboys Weekly Edition are both a tired head production. Popsicles, sprinklers, a cool breeze. Talk about refreshing. You know what else is refreshing this summer? A brand new phone with Verizon. Yep. Get a new phone on any plan with select phone.
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