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Dominic Robinson
Foreign.
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George Dunham
It's the Musers, the podcast Football friends. It's George Dunham. It's Bob Stern. And Bob, we have a special football friend with us this week as we're almost to the NFL draft. It is next week in Pittsburgh and your buddy Dominic Robinson is a special football friend. If there's anyone in this world who geeks out more about the NFL draft, it has to be Dominic.
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Bob Sturm
Indeed. It's, it's, it's great to have him with us. And we got a lot to, a lot to get to here. Dominic, I hope your chin strap is tight. We're going to need everything you got
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Dominic Robinson
here, let me lace them up. I got them. Lace these cleats up. Chin straps already done.
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Bob Sturm
Good.
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Dominic Robinson
And let's get, let's get going, man.
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Bob Sturm
We'll do the two fists pound on each other's shoulder pads here and really get it cooking.
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George Dunham
Yeah, let's go. And someday we'll tell the story how Dominic and I are connected through football. We don't have time because it's time for the NFL draft, but Dominic and I know one of the the greatest one double A tight ends of all time in Louis Silva. But we don't have time for that story right now. Bobby made a catch on 4th and 24 at 1.4 conversion. You kid me. It's the greatest 4th down conversion has to be in football history.
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Dominic Robinson
The Mean Green Bob sounds like its
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Bob Sturm
own episode, to be honest.
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George Dunham
Maybe, maybe. But we've got to talk NFL draft because it's almost here and the Cowboys have so much draft capital at number 12 and number 20 overall. And when Dominic joined us last as about a month ago or so, and we started talking about, okay, who's available, what do you think will be there? The more we talked about it and we were talking about a potential trade for the Cowboys and the conversation started with them maybe trading out of that 12 spot. Well, maybe the defensive players that you like aren't there. But now all of the talk, and not just in Dallas, but around the country. So many mock drafts don't even have Cleveland at the number six position anymore. They have Dallas guys. What do you think? How likely is this that the Cowboys could get up as high as number six and if it's for what's being reported that the Cowboys and Brown swap picks and the Cowboys now would go 12th and 39th overall. We all raise our hand for that one, don't we?
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Bob Sturm
Just to be clear, 6 and 39.
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George Dunham
Sorry, 6 and 39. Yeah. And they give up 12 and 20 sorry.
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Bob Sturm
That's right, you give up 12 and 20. So those that almost matches in the points chart, the Cowboys might profit slightly and maybe you have to give like a 5th rounder to fully even it out, but it's really close. Six and 39 for the from the Browns goes to Dallas for 12 and 20. And you know, there are three. I was on your radio show, Georgie, this week for those who do both and which you should, of course, but we talked about the three different price points and the first one is the real expensive one where you go all the way to 3 and you trade like 12 and 20 to get to Arizona at 3 and you might even have to give them 12, 20 and 92 to get to 3 to match it up. And that just feels like way too expensive for me for what this team needs. And then the real cheap one is just going to like 8 or 9, New Orleans or Kansas City and using 12 and 92 to get there. But this one is, is the most popular idea because you keep two of the top 39 picks, but you also get in front of Washington to grab Sonny Styles and you fall back to 39 where you can still find some pretty tasty options and you still get two guys who you think could probably start and all you have to do, all you have to touch is 12 and 20. And why would the Browns do it? Well, the Browns need a lot and now they can say, well, we get two of the top 20 players. So this is, this is the ultimate trade idea that is catching steam because you can really see both sides saying, yeah, this makes plenty of sense for what we're trying to accomplish too. So that's how trades get done. We can throw out one sided trades all day, but the other side would say, why would I do that? This one makes sense to me and this one helps me secure one of my big six which I don't have promised at 12. So I might have to get active and I can't get in front of the Giants at 5. So if the Giants want Styles or Caleb Downs, they're going to get them. But at six I get in front of Washington. I really think Washington wants Styles. They might want Caleb Downs as well. I'm not positive. I'm not sure I would go all the way to six just to get Caleb Downs as much as I love him. But I would go there to take care of my linebacker situation with the best guy and so I'm for it all night. Dominic?
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah, I love this because as I, as I said last time, I was on this pod. And I've said it on, on our podcast, the 12 spot is just, it is so complicated at 12, and you gotta wait for a lot of things, and if those things don't play out and you're sitting there at 12, you just gotta take the best available guy. And I, I want to be clear in saying if that guy is Gerard McCoy or the LSU corner, Monsor Delane, I'm not saying that you take him and it's just the worst thing that ever happened and you just completely blew up your draft. I'm just saying that is a little rich for my blood. It could work out great. Those guys can absolutely be players, but you can get them later, I believe, and, and, you know, have more value. So that's why you want more players. And, but if you can move inside of that 12, you're going to absolutely get exactly what you want. You're going to eliminate the. Are we waiting on downs or styles to drop? Because the, the closer this gets, I don't think downs is going to make it to 12. Yeah, and I don't think styles is going to make it to 12. Last time we were on here, I thought one of them might. I'm sitting here today, I don't think either of them will get past 10.
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George Dunham
And so for timing, do you guys think they wait till day of the draft and even after to see how the first three picks go, or is that too dangerous?
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Bob Sturm
I think you have to, George, because I know this sounds almost like Looney Tunes, but I do think if you show your cards, somebody trades in front of you, and then you have to trade in front of them again, and
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Dominic Robinson
it does, then it becomes really expensive. Then you start losing out on future capital.
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Bob Sturm
So in a perfect world, you have deals agreed to on draft day, but you don't announce them till they're on the clock. And, and you, you know, you tell them as part of the deal, we'll do this provided nothing substantial changes. So you leave yourself that little wiggle room just to see how, you know, if you're going to six, how one through five go. If, if somehow you know, one through five takes both your guys, well, then, you know, you have to abort. But I, I, I feel, I feel very mixed about trying to sit at 12 and be patient. I, you know, there's, there's options there, there are good football players there, and who knows, maybe you fall into CD Lamb again and something like that. But I do think this year, given the time frame, the small window, the multiple firsts I do think there's a real case for being aggressive this year and saying, okay, if I want Sonny Stiles running my defense or I want Caleb Downs being, you know, maybe the intellectual engine of my defense for the next several years, let's. Let's not screw around. Let's go get these guys. And then at 39, it gets interesting because you would want another real important piece there. And if you get downs at 6, well, now your linebackers fit at 39 pretty well. I think the idea that C.J. allen, Jacob Rodriguez, and even Anthony Hill are all gone at 39, I don't buy that. I think at least one, maybe two, possibly all three, are sitting there at 39. So. So I could get my safety and my linebacker, or if I get my linebacker at 6 now at 39, it opens up a whole lot of more options. Maybe my nickelback, maybe an edge in tier two. So just to be clear who we're talking about there, and I'm not saying all these guys would show up there, but it would not surprise me if let's say three of the following five names are there. Cassius Howell, TJ Parker, our Mason Thomas, Zion Young, and let's say Malachi Lawrence from Central Florida. I bet you two or three of those guys make it to 39. And so I do think I can still get two really good pieces with that Cleveland trade.
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George Dunham
And do you think the Cowboys see it as based on just, you know, how they research things, that the target really is Sunny Styles, that Caleb Downs is a top five pick? And everyone seems to be pretty convinced, and we will mock it up here in a second, but everyone's pretty convinced that he's going to be a New York Giant. So this is. It looks to me anyway that this is. Man, I think our target is Sunny Stiles.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah. I don't know.
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George Dunham
Assuming you're going up to number six.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, well, you're right. And I'm not positive the Giants would do that there. The Giants do feel like a team with. With new management in John Harbaugh and, you know, a team that does need a fair amount of pieces. But. But yeah, I do think, you know, we need to have some. Some contingency plans in place. But any mock draft, we're. We're taking calculated guesses. When you look. When you look at the Giants, I do think they're a pivotal spot in this whole thing. And, you know, from. Honestly, the more you. You mess with it, the more it does feel like they might go in that direction. But let's say they end up, you know, in the Carnell Tate game or, you know, or I doubt they would do Jeremiah. Love. That would almost be hilarious given their Saquon Barkley decision. But you just start going down the list of, of what John Harbaugh wants to do combined with what the Giants already have. I, I think our division bunk mates New York and Washington make this exercise really interesting.
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George Dunham
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah. And I, I do want to offer you guys in, in the listener, a little perspective, too. In that I would say, and this comes from my coaching background and my coaching perspective that when we see Todd McShay's needs, you know, what, what he says a team needs versus, you know, Mel Kuiper or, you know, Daniel Jeremiah or whoever it is.
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Bob Sturm
Right.
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Dominic Robinson
The honest reality is nobody actually knows the perspective of the organizations. Y and I'll be Honest with you, 16 is probably a little low. Of the amount of teams that we think their needs are different than what they think their needs are, it's probably more than half that. We think, oh, they need an O line or they, they need a pass rush. And the coaches in that room or the scouts in that room, the, the front office, their perspective is totally different because they're actually interacting with the players on a daily basis and going, yeah, our, our, you know, our pass blocking was terrible. But I really, I really believe in the kid who we have at guard or we, and we don't know that. And so often times you see these needs, I, I try not to pay attention to what the experts, quote, unquote, experts tell us an organization needs because that never gets checked in terms of, like, how often they're wrong. How often do we say that the Giants need a safety? And you know, in reality, they, that, you know, that's not their problem. It's just we watched them play a couple times and the safety got beat.
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Bob Sturm
Right.
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Dominic Robinson
You know, and so, you know, I look at, when I look at the draft and we're going to mock this up here in a second, I look at the sort of history of where positions get picked. So quarterbacks tend to go 1, 2, and 3. You know, an offensive Ted. The best tackle tends to go in the four slot. You know, the, there tends to be a run on cornerbacks from 12 to 20. You know, these are actual numbers that we have over the past 10 years that sort of normalize over the course of 10 years because, you know, one year, maybe you don't have as many corners. So the run on Corners in 2023 might be different than the run on corners in, you know, 20, 21 or. Or whatnot. But it all normalizes over time. And Bob, as you know, and have watched the draft as close as I have, the more you watch and the closer you pay attention, you absolutely start to see a rhythm and a trend to all of it, and it all starts to make sense. And you don't get moved by the emotional, wow, there's this really good player. You know, go get him. You know, at this point. Or, you know, you know, something like that. So, you know, I, I just wanted to bring that up in terms of when, even when we do this mock, you know, we may say that the Bengals need, you know, whatever a defensive. An edge rusher. The Bengals might be saying, man, our linebackers are just horrendous, right? And. And so you think we need an edge because we lost Trey Hendrickson. But the honest truth is we have a guy in the building that we feel can at least get us over, but we don't have that at linebacker. And, and our perspectives are. Are way off, usually based off of, you know, the team. And some of it is because they're flawed, too.
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Bob Sturm
Right.
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Dominic Robinson
That's the thing to think about is a lot of times it's because they're idiots and they think, they think they have something that they don't have. You.
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Bob Sturm
We always have to consider the fact that the other people are idiots. And also sometimes you're planning a year in advance that we have, so. And so they're about to be a free agent. We know they're asking prices and saying, so, let's get their replacement now. And we'll be prepared to do one more year with both of them, but then he'll have his job. There's no way we can anticipate those internal conversations until they show their cards on draft day. So a lot of this is guessing, but that's also part of the fun. George, before we get down to business, though. Yeah. You got to tell me what you think of 6 and 39 for 12 and 20. Are you. Are you dancing there, too?
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George Dunham
I'm totally there. Yeah. Because I think you get the impact player, whether it is downs or styles. And just like you mentioned, at 39, I think you can have your pick of players who can also help on the defensive end. Yeah, I've, I've always liked that. That makes a lot.
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Dominic Robinson
Can I ask you guys, who do you. If it's not those two guys, who else do you know? Because I, I. Let's, let's also, you know, we haven't Talked about Reuben Bane potentially sliding. Do you like Bane there? Is there anyone else that you potentially think that they, they could be, you know, or maybe don't go to six? Yeah. Or maybe if they don't go to six. Maybe if they go to, you know, seven or eight, you know, who do you like? You know, if it's not Styles or Downs.
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George Dunham
See, I think that's a great question. Do the Cowboys have a list of five or six defensive players? Bob and I had it at six last time. And it would be Bailey, Reese, Downs, Styles, Bane and Delane, Right?
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Bob Sturm
Yeah. Yep.
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George Dunham
I'll leave. Anybody out? I don't think so.
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Bob Sturm
No, no, those are the six. But how many would you trade up to six to get?
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Dominic Robinson
That's, yeah, that's my question. I would say only anyone. Is there anyone in that list that you don't like to move up to 6?
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Bob Sturm
4. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not trading up for Bane or Delane.
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Dominic Robinson
Okay.
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George Dunham
Yeah. I would just say it was, it's between the, the two Ohio State guys.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
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Bob Sturm
In fact. Well, yes, you're right. But I, I, I guess I, I guess if somehow David Bailey slid to six or.
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George Dunham
Yeah, okay.
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Bob Sturm
Or Bailey or Reese, if they and ar. The Bane thing. I, I'll be honest with you, Dominic. You and I have talked a lot about Reuben Bane and, and, and I re. I really like him. I really do. I just, I just don't know if he. I, it's weird, man. It's the arm length and it's the body shape and, and, you know, there's, there's something that says if he gets to 12, we're partying, but if I have to give more than 12 to get him, if I have to give 12 and 20 to get him or something like that, I just don't know if I'm willing to fly in the face of like a decade of, of measurables and just say I'm, I'm that sure. So with Delane, I would probably move up to nine. With Bane, I probably need him to fall in my lap, and I'm not proud of myself for arriving at that verdict. But at six, it's, it's for one of my two buckeyes, maybe one of my three, but I just don't think Reese makes it that far. But Styles or Downs, I would, I would boogie up there. Especially if I keep that number 39. That, that's, that's my answer.
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George Dunham
I got one more.
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Dominic Robinson
David.
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George Dunham
I'm sorry. Go ahead, Dominic.
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Dominic Robinson
I was just going to say maybe we're looking at a Texas Tech party with David Bailey and Jacob Rodrigo.
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Bob Sturm
Oh, my gosh.
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Dominic Robinson
At 39. And we. How, how great would that be?
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Bob Sturm
That'd be insane. And we would get our guns up, I suppose. Yeah.
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George Dunham
Okay, I got one for you real quick. Before we get to the mock, let's just say hypothetically as we talk, defense for the Cowboys at 12. And let's say they can't get a deal done with Cleveland. Maybe someone gives the Browns a sweeter deal and they trade up with the Browns. And Kansas City doesn't want to deal with you at 9 and you are at 12. And all of these defensive guys we've talked about are off the board, all six of them. Maybe not likely with Delane, maybe he's still there, but let's just say hypothetically, he is. He is not there. Or maybe the Cowboys don't really like him that much. And Jeremiah, Jeremiah Love slides to number 12. What do you all do? And you're at 12 and now at this point, do you do a Dominic had us doing a month ago and trade down? Or do you think, man, this is a dude. By the way, he reminds me of Emmett. Maybe that's a terrible comp, but I don't know. He's probably faster than Emmett, but just his vision, the way he dances through a hole. And I just love watching the guy run. I've, I, I think that would be really interesting if a player like that is there at 12. I.
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Dominic Robinson
So he is great. I love him. But like I, like you said a month ago, I was on the trade down, you know, train, and I'm really on it. I text, you know, Bob earlier this week. I'm really on it now. Like, I, I really want to go down and get an extra one or two defensive players.
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George Dunham
Okay.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah, I think this draft is so strong on defense. Like, like, we're just, we're talking about Rodriguez, you know, in the, the 39 spot or maybe even further down. Like, that's a really good player to go get, you know, that late. And there's a lot of good players down there. I, I, that I, I'm just loving that I'm not taking Jeremiah Love at 12 if I can get down, but if I get stuck and nobody will make that trade with me, then, yeah, I mean, you got, you end up, you got to take the, like I said earlier, you got to take the best player if nobody will trade down with you. You know, I don't draft for need at 12 if, you know, if the need is a player that's, you know, not, not comparable to the best player. You know, they've got to be even.
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Bob Sturm
So, yeah. Grade, grade wise, Jeremiah Love, if he's there, he'll easily be the best player available. Right. And I hate to admit that you
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Dominic Robinson
got to take them.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, yeah, you probably do. I, I would be tempted and maybe I said this last week, Georgie, but, you know, Dylan Thieman would probably be my next defensive player. That would get me fired up. But gosh, that feels rich at 12.
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Dominic Robinson
I can't do it, man. And I love him. I think he's phenomenal, but I can't do him at 12.
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George Dunham
Okay.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
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George Dunham
Well, let's see who is there at 12 for the Cowboys and our football friends mock draft. How about that? Let's get started with number one in the Las Vegas Raiders. And we'll do that.
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Bob Sturm
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Dominic Robinson
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Bob Sturm
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George Dunham
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Dominic Robinson
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George Dunham
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Bob Sturm
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George Dunham
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Dominic Robinson
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George Dunham
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, you know, it's, it. I guess the only interesting question here is how does he measure up against some of the other 11 quarterbacks? And you know, do we think he's really like Matthew Stafford level, Andrew Luck level? That's. And that's an interesting sports talk segment, I suppose. I don't know if it's relevant in this particular draft because this particular draft you have a franchise that is star for a franchise quarterback and there's only one franchise quarterback in this group. And so yes, some years you get number one and it's LeBron and other years you get number one and it's Andrew Bogut. So I'm not saying Fernando Mendoza is Andrew Bogut, but also not saying he's LeBron. I like him a lot and I wish him well and I hope Las Vegas doesn't ruin our beautiful boy. But, but, but I do think that this is a real exciting time for those Vegas folks and I can't imagine they would go in any other direction. And I think he'll do a great job for them.
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George Dunham
Yeah, they could, they could take a big jump, maybe even next year. Who knows, he may get absolutely smothered next year, but he's got a running back. They added all that and free agency on defense. So who knows, maybe the Raiders take a big jump here in the next couple of years. Up next, the New York Jets. I thought this was a given, but are they having a David Bailey, Arvell Reese debate right now?
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Dominic Robinson
Dominic, you know, I, you know, this was a tough one for me because I had David Bailey, you know, for a long time as, as the, the best front defender. And I just think he's. He's a special, special talent. And, and that's just a great place to start when you're going to rebuild a defense or build. Build a defense.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
And. But Arvel Reese is. I don't know that David Bailey is generational in the way that Arvel Reese is. He just, he seems to be literally created in a lab, you know, similar to Sonny Stiles, except for he's got a little bit more production. And so, man, I. That's a really tough one with the value of an edge defender that could potentially do something else. You know, I don't want to speak for the jets, but I personally, with my coaching background and sort of the system that I run, he has more value than a. David Bailey has value for me because I'm going to actually use him in those ways. And this was sort of the Micah debate, which was like, how are you going to implement him being an off the ball linebacker and an edge? And can you, can you even do that? Is that something that your system even lends itself to? So I think that's an interesting question and something to watch, you know, as his career develops. Does he end up being Micah or does he end up just being, you know, an off ball linebacker or does he end up just being an edge, you know, which is kind of what ended up, you know, with Micah turns out to be so. But I think it's David Bailey. I think in this case, I think, I think they're going to go David Bailey.
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Bob Sturm
Okay.
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George Dunham
Okay. All right.
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Bob Sturm
So take Bailey, the Red Raiders off
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George Dunham
the board and that means Arville Reese goes number three to Arizona, correct?
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, I think that's probably smart. Now, if I'm Arizona, I do start thinking about those offensive linemen, but. But I think you're right. I think if Reese falls to you, you get all excited. And we do know the Cardinals can use some playmakers. So. So those, those three feel like a pretty easy 1, 2, 3. I'm not positive we're going to get the order spot on, but. But yeah, I think, I think that makes a lot of sense.
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George Dunham
Okay. This is where it, it gets really interesting. It seems like there is a push and I don't know if that's just those who are reporting on it around the country just kind of settling in on. Okay, well, this is where he goes because he's a dynamic running back. Is this where Jeremiah Love ruins our hypothetical being around at 12 and goes to Tennessee?
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Bob Sturm
Man, I don't think so. Maybe I mean, I do know there's smoke around it, but I'm gonna try to just look at what I would do if I was Tennessee. And what I would do is I got to get Cam Ward some help and I got to feel good about whether that help is offensive line or wide receiver. And, and there's. There's some. There's some very tasty wide receiver options here. I think Dominic and I both agree that Jordan Tyson is, is our favorite wide receiver, but for their particular spot, I don't think it's crazy to pitch Carnell Tate as. As a. Always get open guy as well. So let me, let me punt this over to Dominic. Who you taking it for?
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Dominic Robinson
Well, let me just preface this by saying the highest probability in terms of the history of the draft in this spot is an edge. This is tip. This is a 40% of the time an edge gets taken right here. So this is not Tennessee's need necessarily, but just, you know, you know, this is, this is typically.
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Bob Sturm
Would you do that, Would you do that to poor Cam Ward, though?
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Dominic Robinson
I. I don't know.
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Bob Sturm
Don't you get the guy some help? Don't we.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah, yeah, we probably do. I'm. I'm going to point. I'm. I'm pointing this over to George.
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George Dunham
Oh, shoot. Well, I, I had loved going there, but if you guys. Yeah, that makes sense to me to get. Is Maui Go. Is that. That where he goes there? Is that too high for him or.
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Bob Sturm
So it's. I think they, you know, with Skaranski and J.C. latham, their first round picks in 23 and 24, and then Cam Ward in 25, I'm going to get him a wide receiver. So. So I think, I think the chalk says Carnell Tate. If I can put him with Calvin Ridley and a Yuma or. I think now we have the basis for a pretty nice little outside receiver group. Give them a chance. I know they've got Wanda Robinson in there now. Let's give them Carnell tape.
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George Dunham
Okay, so the first wide receivers off the board of Tennessee at number four. And that brings us to the New York Giants and John Harbaugh trying to make his stamp and the Big Apple. And we just talked about it a minute ago. Is this where Caleb Downs, who's on the Cowboys radar safety from Ohio State is taken?
- [32:39]
Bob Sturm
Go ahead, get in there. Dominic, who do you like? You know, I, I honestly just to the safety thing they just spent on Javon Holland and they just drafted Tyler Newman from Minnesota. I'm not saying they love their safety spot. It. Just because nobody knows what Harbaugh thinks, but they did keep their gm. That's.
- [33:06]
George Dunham
That's a.
- [33:06]
Bob Sturm
That's an interesting one right there. I. I think with a full allotment of. Of ammunition, you can. You can make a case for wide receiver, you can make a case for offensive line. You got anything, Dominic?
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Dominic Robinson
You know, I think it's a receiver here, and I. I personally think it was going to be Tate, but we just. We just took Tate.
- [33:30]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
So now you're going, you know, the. The next guy. So you're talking what, Makai Lemon or Jordan Tyson? I don't know necessarily. I'm not. I don't follow the Giants. I don't know. Oh, I guess the Giants just got Harbaugh, right?
- [33:46]
George Dunham
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
So I do know his system. I'm going to go Makai Lemon.
- [33:53]
George Dunham
Okay.
- [33:54]
Bob Sturm
All right.
- [33:54]
George Dunham
Wide receiver from USC goes there according to the Football Friends mock draft. So Tate Lemon, Reese Bailey are off of the board. And by the way, if this does happen.
- [34:10]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
- [34:10]
George Dunham
The Cowboys get to the edge of their seats and go, holy smokes. Okay. All right.
- [34:15]
Bob Sturm
Right.
- [34:15]
George Dunham
Two receivers taken in the top five. This is great. So if they could trade up to six, they would have their choice of Caleb Downs or Sonny Stiles.
- [34:28]
Bob Sturm
Yes.
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George Dunham
If Cleveland stays there, are we gonna. Are we gonna act like everyone else's mock draft and give the Cowboys the sixth overall pick? I think we need for this exercise, and I think we need to give them 12.
- [34:39]
Dominic Robinson
So.
- [34:39]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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George Dunham
So then with 12, with Cleveland on the clock at 6, I mean, it's dealer's choice. They need so many different things. Maybe they go best player and go Sunny Styles there.
- [34:52]
Dominic Robinson
Huh.
- [34:53]
Bob Sturm
That's interesting. I don't think it's impossible, but I do think they really want to help their offense. And again, this is why they would get out of here, because they were planning on taking a wide receiver, and there's no way they thought two wide receivers would be gone by the time they got to number six. I. I didn't anticipate that either. But this is. This. This is why you do this exercise, is be prepared for anything. I honestly think if this board happened exactly like it is and they could do anything they wanted here, and knowing that, they kind of like their linebacking spot as it is because they got that Carson Schlesinger in there last year, and so they're. I don't think they'd look at sotty styles that closely is when. When I think they want to help their offense. So if they can't trade out I think they're going Jordan Tyson. I really do. So we now have three wide receivers.
- [35:50]
George Dunham
Cowboys are really celebrating, right?
- [35:52]
Bob Sturm
That's right.
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Dominic Robinson
Well, I. Let me just say I'm going Moaga here. If I, If I, If I did, I. I don't know their tackle situation, though.
- [36:01]
Bob Sturm
Well, I mean, the only thing so. So you're thinking Francis Malanoa from Miami.
- [36:06]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah, sorry. Yeah.
- [36:07]
Bob Sturm
And. And the only reason I did not give them a wide a lineman is they just went Zion Johnson and Elton Jenkins and Titus Howard, three starters on their offensive line in March. And so you add that to big Duan Jones at left tackle, and you're not crazy. Maybe the best player on the board is Francis Malanoa. In fact, I'm willing to have you talk me into that. That's reasonable. Because you know my take on Ma Noah. I would take him at number three. I think he's an absolute stud, and that would be very exciting. So let's. Let's alter out of my. My hilarious idea of. Of going with three straight wide receivers and alter it to Malanoa, because that, that. That's very Cleveland of them. That would be offensive line. And if you're a bad team, you should always be looking offensive line.
- [37:05]
George Dunham
Okay. So there are. First offensive lineman goes.
- [37:08]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
- [37:08]
George Dunham
Although I did see. Again, I'm looking at monitoring as many mocks as I can. I did see them with a wide receiver. And I don't. I don't think that's crazy, Bob, to. To say that they would take Jordan Tyson.
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Dominic Robinson
I don't either.
- [37:23]
George Dunham
I don't at number six. But.
- [37:25]
Bob Sturm
But you know what, George? I think that. I think we need to be aware that from 4 through 7, when you look at these teams in Tennessee, New York, Cleveland and Washington 4 through 7, I think any one of them could be thinking wide receiver and multiple could be going wide receiver. And I think Washington is absolutely still on that list. So we've been saying Sonny Styles this, Caleb Downs that. But Washington definitely wants to help its quarterback.
- [38:00]
George Dunham
Yeah.
- [38:00]
Bob Sturm
And they know Terry McLaurin, and you know what they were doing last year with Debo Samuel. That's over. So if it is over now, take a look at the rest of their wide receiver depth chart. And you're seeing Traylon Burks, you're seeing Diami Brown and Van Jefferson. So Luke McCaffrey is in the slot. They don't. They're not against that. But when you say at number seven, who is a blinking light to go get weapons for Jaden Daniels, I would imagine Washington's on that list as well.
- [38:36]
George Dunham
Okay, so in. Either, either way, we can take Tyson and Margo off the. Off the list, right? Yeah, I think they'll take either one. Or do we go. Do we try to go where there's smoke of Sunny Styles going to Washington?
- [38:54]
Bob Sturm
Dominic, break our tie, because both of those sound reasonable for Washington.
- [39:02]
Dominic Robinson
Let's go, Tyson.
- [39:03]
George Dunham
Okay.
- [39:03]
Bob Sturm
Yeah. You know, I agree, I think with Frankie Luvu and Leo Chanel at linebacker for Washington, they like Sonny Stiles, but I think they would take Jordan Tyson as well.
- [39:16]
George Dunham
Okay. So now the Cowboys are thinking, holy
- [39:19]
Bob Sturm
smokes, boy, do we sound like homers. We're getting everybody to the Cowboys.
- [39:23]
George Dunham
Down is falling and so is Sonny Stiles. And that brings us to New Orleans. And with these guys still on the board, one of those Ohio State defenders goes here, correct?
- [39:37]
Dominic Robinson
Absolutely.
- [39:38]
George Dunham
Yeah. I mean, I think, I think to see somebody like Bain, who I've seen going to New Orleans, but man, if, would they still take him if. If both Downs and Styles are on the board?
- [39:53]
Bob Sturm
Let me, let me look at the New Orleans scene just to make sure, because I'm trying to think of what they're doing at edge these days. And, and I, I just want to browse that real quickly here. They're, they're obviously in a rebuild. Gosh, things are, things are a little thin at edge right now. Where the.
- [40:15]
Dominic Robinson
It's looking like they need wide out linebacker and, and edge.
- [40:21]
Bob Sturm
Yeah. And aside from Olave, it's pretty slim there. Linebacker. Yeah. I mean, look, they're, they're a ways away. They, they, they still harbor Chase Young and Brian Brecy is that Clemson dude who's over £300. I mean, to me, this would be a delightful place to put Bane. But also Sonny Styles makes a lot of sense for me here as well.
- [40:48]
George Dunham
Okay. My guess would be Sunny Styles. You down with that, Dominic?
- [40:53]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah. Stiles is there. I think you got to take him.
- [40:57]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
- [40:57]
George Dunham
Okay.
- [40:57]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
- [40:58]
George Dunham
So he goes to New Orleans. Now the Kansas City Chiefs would be up next. And I, I've seen all sorts of different scenarios for him. I've seen Bane for them, seeing receiver for them. What do you think the Chiefs are thinking at number nine?
- [41:17]
Bob Sturm
I think we got to help this defense. But. And receivers been cleaned up now.
- [41:22]
George Dunham
Yeah. Now the receivers are gone.
- [41:26]
Bob Sturm
So Bane, let's see what do.
- [41:30]
Dominic Robinson
No, I, I mean, I like Caleb Downs.
- [41:34]
George Dunham
Okay.
- [41:34]
Dominic Robinson
He's not getting past. He's not getting past 10.
- [41:37]
Bob Sturm
No.
- [41:38]
Dominic Robinson
He's either here or he's the next one.
- [41:40]
Bob Sturm
I, I do think Caleb Downs goes Here, probably. Okay, so that makes sense.
- [41:45]
George Dunham
Cowboy pennants.
- [41:46]
Bob Sturm
Downs are delayed just a little bit now. They lost a couple corners, so it's not, it's not crazy. I mean, you know who they're. The third corner is right now. George Kair Elam.
- [41:58]
George Dunham
Yeah, they might want to look at corner then. But we've seen that movie.
- [42:03]
Bob Sturm
Yeah, yeah, but they have another first rounder. They pick at 29 again. I, I think Caleb Downs is your best player available if I'm Kansas City.
- [42:13]
George Dunham
Okay. Well, if the Cowboys don't trade up now, those are the two players we talked about so much. Sonny Styles, Caleb Downs going back to back in the football friends mock draft. When we come back, we'll get the number 10. We're getting really close to Dallas. Picking at number 12. And we'll do that next. Okay. Little exercise here. Little more than a week away from the NFL draft, the football friends mock draft. It's George Dunham, Bob Sturm and Dominic Robinson. We're going pick by pick and we're up to pick number 10. Just to. To recap, Fernando Mendoza goes number one to Las Vegas. David Bailey from Texas Tech to the Jets, Arvell Reese from Ohio State. The linebacker has gotten so much pre draft. Pub goes to Arizona. At number three, Carnell Tate, his teammate on the offensive side. Wide receiver goes to Tennessee. The Giants take another receiver and Malachi Lemon from usc. Cleveland. Then this is where we have a. Wait a minute. Okay, yeah, we got it. Offensive tackle they go, Francis Mogawa from Miami. Then at number seven, Washington decides not to get outdone at the wide receiver position. They go Jordan Tyson. New Orleans then takes Sonny Stiles from Ohio State. Caleb Downs goes right behind him to Kansas City. Two Cowboy targets. We have two teams on the clock before the Cock. At number 12, Cincinnati. They go corner next. Bob.
- [43:59]
Bob Sturm
Man, I don't. I'm going to keep Joe Burrow upright.
- [44:03]
George Dunham
Okay.
- [44:03]
Bob Sturm
You know, I love what we have at. At guard in this draft, especially given the way Cincinnati has had such a hard time putting their line together. Vega Yoane for me would be what I would recommend the Bengals to do. So I, I technically would say that Spencer Finnow is, Is higher on my board. But, but when you can get maybe the premier guard in this draft right in the interior of that Bengals line at 10, that's. That's pretty appealing to me. I don't know if, if Dominic will fight me on that, but I like, I like Vega quite a bit and I think Joe Burrow will like him too.
- [44:50]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah, I have them Going O line. And then they're very similar to the Cowboys. If a defensive guy falls to them, they. They got to take them. One of those Ohio State guys, I would go for no, but I don't know their tackle situation. So.
- [45:09]
Bob Sturm
Yeah, it's. I think that. I think they're still. I think they're still in on Amarius Mims at right and at left, they. They have the. The former chief, Orlando Brown. I don't know what his contract looks like, but let's not get too lost in those weeds. But some. Something along those lines.
- [45:28]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
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George Dunham
Okay, so you want a. The offensive lineman goes to Cincinnati. That puts Miami on the clock at number 11. Are they having the same discussions in Miami that the Cowboys have. Cowboy fans have had about Keldrick Falk, the edge from Auburn. Now that the receivers are off the board, someone for Malik Willis to throw to. What are the Dolphins do here?
- [45:56]
Bob Sturm
What do you say, Dominic?
- [45:58]
Dominic Robinson
I. I think Delane. This is where Delane goes. And the Cowboys are freaking out now because that's probably where they would have to go if they can't trade down. And now they're. Now they're scrabbling because that's the best defender left and probably the last, you know, true top 10, you know, player left on the board.
- [46:22]
Bob Sturm
Well, well, well, I see it as
- [46:24]
George Dunham
their second biggest need. Miami at corner.
- [46:29]
Bob Sturm
Yeah. Now they need everything. And, and the thing to remember about Miami and you might want to pull this cut for next week or the week after is they are the type of team to be working the phones and to let somebody slide right in front of Dallas, too, because they are a blinking light that says we are open for business, especially if the wide receivers are gone. That's the thing. Kansas City and Miami and maybe no Kansas City. Miami, especially at 9 and 11, they're in the wide receiver market. You would think to a certain extent, and especially when you look at that Miami depth chart where you see their. Their wide receiver spot right now is just a joke. But if wide receivers cleaned out, you know, again, they would probably grab somebody or trade out of there. And both of those would hurt the Cowboys, I would think.
- [47:26]
George Dunham
Okay, so here is that scenario. The defensive players outside of Bain are off the board, but Bane is still there for the Cowboys at 12. Do you go Bane or do you go Jeremiah Love?
- [47:45]
Bob Sturm
We're doing.
- [47:46]
Dominic Robinson
Get to. Oh, go ahead.
- [47:48]
Bob Sturm
I. I'll go first. Yeah, we're. We're doing Reuben Bain if he's here.
- [47:52]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah, I. So I didn't get to say it earlier. I meant to say this. If I, I actually am trading up at 6 and I'm taking Bane at 6 if I can.
- [48:03]
Bob Sturm
Wow.
- [48:03]
George Dunham
Oh, wow.
- [48:03]
Bob Sturm
Okay.
- [48:04]
Dominic Robinson
When we talked about that earlier and talking about trading up, I, I, I wanted to make sure I got that out there. I want that to be public. That if I can get up to six, I'm taking Bane at six.
- [48:14]
Bob Sturm
So.
- [48:14]
Dominic Robinson
So I love him.
- [48:16]
Bob Sturm
To clarify that, Dominic, you think Reuben Bain is a better player than Sonny Styles?
- [48:24]
Dominic Robinson
No, no, no, no. Let me take, Let me walk that back. If Styles is gone. No. Yes. If Styles is gone, which I don't think Styles would be gone. But I was just saying when we were talking about getting up there to six, I'm not getting up there to get Bane, but if for some reason Styles is gone.
- [48:43]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
- [48:45]
Dominic Robinson
Now I'm going ahead. I'm going to go ahead and go, go, go Bane.
- [48:48]
Bob Sturm
Okay, well, now I'm gonna come. I'm gonna continue to interrogate you then.
- [48:52]
George Dunham
Sounds like we have a fight here.
- [48:55]
Bob Sturm
All right, so. No, we're in. We're in agreement. Stiles over Bane. Where's downs in this?
- [49:02]
Dominic Robinson
Down. I'm taking downs over Bane also.
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Bob Sturm
All right, so, okay, now downs over Styles.
- [49:12]
Dominic Robinson
For the cowboys or for me, Stack those three.
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Bob Sturm
For the cowboys.
- [49:17]
Dominic Robinson
For the cowboys. It's Styles. Downs, Vain.
- [49:22]
Bob Sturm
Okay, we agree.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
- [49:23]
George Dunham
Okay.
- [49:23]
Bob Sturm
George.
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George Dunham
Yeah, I'm with that. I, I would go bane at number 12 if he was there.
- [49:30]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
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George Dunham
I'm thinking we may have gotten out of whack here somewhere because I don't think he's going to be there. But.
- [49:35]
Dominic Robinson
No, no, I, I was just saying earlier, I proposed, you know, what do we.
- [49:40]
George Dunham
Who would you trade up to? 6. 4.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah.
- [49:42]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah. And I was just saying if those guys weren't there, I, I had proposed. Hey, if those two guys aren't there, is there anyone else.
- [49:48]
George Dunham
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
That you would take? And I'm. I'm just saying I would actually do Bane. Both of you guys said you wouldn't. Or I think. Bob, you said you wouldn't. I would do bane at 6. Now, I don't think that there's a case where Styles and downs are gone and Bane is there. That. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I don't have a problem with Bain at 6.
- [50:10]
Bob Sturm
No, I don't either. I think. I think the, the real pressure points would be. Would New Orleans and Kansas City stack Styles, Downs and Bain the same way we would? Because that's interesting because we gave Styles to New Orleans even though they could have had downs and Bain, and then we gave the Chiefs downs even though they could have had Bain. And I think in both cases, it's very possible those two teams might see Reuben Bain higher than Caleb Downs, if only because it's an edge rusher versus a safety and a run and hit linebacker over an edge rusher. So, again, this is very blurry, George, but it's a fun exercise where the good news is three of your or four of your big six make it all the way to pick eight styles downs, Delane and Bain, which means almost certainly the Cowboys will get one of those just by sitting at 12. You just can't decide which one because the other teams get to decide that. So it's, it's, it's. It's a, It's. It's a worthy exercise, even though I'm sure we're. I'm sure we're way off base.
- [51:23]
George Dunham
We're screwing up something probably. But yeah, just for the sake of discussion, I think the Cowboys are really happy with Reuben Bain and you guys know more about it than I do, but I'm not too afraid of, of an edge who's got short arms. I just know he kills folks and hard to block it. Just high motor and I love the guy.
- [51:46]
Bob Sturm
Yes.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah, I'm, I'm in on him. And especially if he's at 12. This is, this is sort of, to me, it's a dream scenario because there's no, like I said, there's no other top 10 players, potential. Top 10 players left, defensive players left. So if he does get to 12, you just dodged a bullet because everyone, you, you know, McCoy, it would be probably the next guy, the corner from Tennessee, he's got a leg issue, potential injury maybe. So he, you know, he's not a top 10, you know, potential guy. There's no one else left. So you really dodged a bullet here with, with, with getting Bane. And the arm thing doesn't bother me. It bothers Bob a lot more than it bothers me. The arm length.
- [52:31]
George Dunham
Bob has really long arms. Maybe we should draft Bob.
- [52:34]
Bob Sturm
Well, no, I mean, honestly, honestly, I don't mind arm length if I think you are incredibly twitched up. The thing about Bane that troubles me is I think he wins with power and short arms. And while I recognize that we should just watch the doggone games and watch him destroy people, I'm trying to think of any comps. Any comps at like 270. That one was short arms, but pretty much all power. Like, I can give you short arms and huge twitch. That's why Cassius Howell doesn't bother me. That's why, you know, Micah Parsons huge twitch. I'll just run around you with my short arms and go bury your quarterback. But the, I'm going to run through you guys like Ruben Bane. I just, I'm not saying he isn't the first one that he isn't, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the guy who made the template. But I just, I just can't think of any others in the recent draft games that, that remind me of Reuben Bain. He's such a unique body type is what I'm saying.
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George Dunham
Okay, well, I'm sure we'll have that debate if the Cowboys do take him at number 12, but there we are. Let's get to 20 though, folks. Let's go 13 through 19 relatively fast. The Rams would then be next best player on the board. Spencer Fino, the offensive tackle.
- [54:04]
Bob Sturm
That's where I'm going. I would go help that offensive line and I think Fino would be great for them, especially with the scheme they run. I think he's, you know, just a real solid zone offensive lineman. I think he'd be great.
- [54:18]
George Dunham
Okay, you're, you're, you're in agreement with us there, Dominic?
- [54:21]
Dominic Robinson
Yes, sir.
- [54:23]
George Dunham
And I go back to when we were talking about the Texas Tech Utah game. There was, there were a lot of college scouts there for that game to see for now going up against the Texas Tech front seven. Okay, then Baltimore at 14. A lot of mocks have Kenyan Sadiq, the tight end from Oregon going to Baltimore. We love that.
- [54:50]
Bob Sturm
I love that. I, I would keep an eye if, if I know Baltimore and, and maybe I don't anymore now that they have kind of new management. But you would always keep an eye on somebody like Jermod McCoy going to Baltimore and then running off a great decade. But I, I, you know, and I
- [55:09]
Dominic Robinson
also want to keep an eye here on Dylan Thieman. He fits. Oh yeah, there.
- [55:15]
George Dunham
That's who Bob like for the Cowboys. If, if Bain is off the list, maybe that, is that too high to take him, Y' all think? The Cowboys did have that opportunity at 12 and Bane, I think this is,
- [55:28]
Bob Sturm
I think the teens are the thienaman neighborhood. If he gets to 20, I'll be amazed. But also 12 feels a little rich.
- [55:36]
Dominic Robinson
12 is a little early.
- [55:37]
Bob Sturm
Which, which feels like quite a, quite a, a, a riddle. The, the tight end thing though. Georgie, I, why don't you lean into that one? Because they got cleaned out a little bit in free agency behind Mark Andrews and Mark Andrews is not getting younger. So if you gave me Kenyan Sadiq to Baltimore, I, I think they would be high fiving on that one.
- [55:58]
Dominic Robinson
It's likely gone.
- [56:00]
George Dunham
Yes.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
Likely. Oh, wow.
- [56:02]
Bob Sturm
Likely is now a player on another team.
- [56:06]
George Dunham
Yeah, they lost him in free agency to.
- [56:08]
Bob Sturm
Where is he now? He is a New York Giant.
- [56:11]
George Dunham
Yes. Wow, that's a good Giants. Look out for the Giants. All right, so we got.
- [56:17]
Bob Sturm
You think Harbaugh had anything to do with that?
- [56:20]
George Dunham
Imagine.
- [56:21]
Bob Sturm
Yeah.
- [56:22]
George Dunham
Okay. Kenyon City goes to Baltimore. Number 14, Tampa on the board. Yoani, the offensive lineman's off the board. We had him going much earlier. I've seen him in a lot of mock drafts. You got another offensive lineman that the bucks may take, huh?
- [56:38]
Bob Sturm
Let's see.
- [56:42]
Dominic Robinson
He's gone.
- [56:43]
Bob Sturm
Oh, you know what? Freeling is. Freely is not.
- [56:45]
Dominic Robinson
Where did he, where did Fano go?
- [56:47]
Bob Sturm
Oh, we gave him to the Rams.
- [56:49]
George Dunham
We just gave him.
- [56:50]
Dominic Robinson
Yeah, yeah. So I'm, I'm. I like Freeling or. Yeah, Freeling here.
- [56:56]
Bob Sturm
Okay, let's do that.
- [56:58]
George Dunham
So back to back offensive lineman. Cowboys like that. They think that's pretty cool. He goes to Tampa. Now the jets back on the board. We had them taking David Bailey with a second overall pick. They want to go offense here, I would imagine, but all the receivers are gone. Any idea what they may do?
- [57:19]
Bob Sturm
I think, I think they lost Sauce Gardner trade last year and I'm going with Jermad McCoy. I think, I think they would be thrilled with that.
- [57:29]
George Dunham
And what do you all. Is that okay for a draft position for McCoy? I know he's.
- [57:34]
Dominic Robinson
I think that's perfect. That's exactly where I have him.
- [57:37]
Bob Sturm
Yeah, I think, Georgie, I think he's a top 10 talent and we just don't. We just don't know about the knee. I like him better than Delane when it comes to the tape, but Delane's medicals are a lot cleaner. So, so you know this, this is one of those picks where you're like, man, they might have just got a dude at 16, but again, there's, there's some guesswork there.
- [58:02]
George Dunham
Okay. I've seen Detroit mocked up to take a lot of or several different offensive linemen. And with Freely now gone, does that mean Proctor would go to Detroit?
- [58:14]
Bob Sturm
They get married to Proctor a ton. They like him more than I do, but I know Dominic is, is totally in on him. And so, so that makes sense to me. I, I think they would love to pair him with, with their, their big right tackle or I guess, you know what they're they're moving him to left, aren't they? Oh, what's his name from Oregon? Penny Sewell.
- [58:39]
George Dunham
Oh, okay.
- [58:40]
Bob Sturm
Yeah, they're moving him to left tackle now.
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George Dunham
Okay, well, maybe Kaden Proctor would be just what they need on the. On the other side.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, that's exactly what they need. They. They don't really feel great about right tackle right now. So. So I. I think we doing a right tackle.
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George Dunham
Okay. That puts the Minnesota Vikings on the board. Bob, that's always interesting to you. Do they steal a player that the Cowboys have an eye on? And the thememen.
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Bob Sturm
100%. Okay. I've never been. Never been more sure of anything in my life. Is a white safety to the Vikings. Is. Is. Is a lock and a half.
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George Dunham
I trust Bob. He's been. He's all about Vikings intel through the
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Dominic Robinson
years, Dominic, and he's all in the white safeties.
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Bob Sturm
Yes, yes, yes.
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George Dunham
Dominic, you and I don't see it
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Bob Sturm
that way, but white defensive backs in general, let's just. I'll track them all for you.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah.
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George Dunham
Okay. So we're just two picks away from the Cowboys. Carolina would be next. They also need some defensive backs. What do you all think the Carolina Panthers will do?
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Dominic Robinson
So what players do you have that are. Are, you know, viable here?
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George Dunham
Terrell, the linebacker, or, sorry, corner. I've seen them taking corners. Okay, here's the player where you got to start talking about with the Cowboys on the clock. I like this guy, and I've. Again, I'm not the evaluator that you guys are, but tell me your thoughts on Emmanuel McNeil. Warren, I love that dude. I know he's out of Toledo. I don't know if Carolina would take a safety, but this is the area where I've seen him going.
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Bob Sturm
That's interesting. I don't. I don't hate it. I think he would pair pretty well with. With Morgue, the TCU strong safety. That's not bad. I'll tell you the most fun idea I can think of is Jeremiah Love. That I know.
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George Dunham
Thank you for bringing it still on the board.
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Dominic Robinson
Oh, wow.
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Bob Sturm
I feel like Carolina would be so much fun with Jeremiah Love. Although, you know, they have. They have Hubbard, they have Jonathan Brooks at some point, I'm not sure. And I think they. They just signed AJ Dillon as well, so it's not like they got nothing.
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah. So best. Best players that I have. C.J. allen, Mesador, McNeil, Warren Terrell, and Omar Cooper, aside from. From Love. So Love is clearly the best player.
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George Dunham
We got to get Jeremiah Love. Off the board.
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Dominic Robinson
He's got to go. Yeah, he's got, he's got to go here.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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George Dunham
Just the football friends. Yeah, we're all over the map here, but I think we're, I think we're pretty close on some, but I just don't think that's going to be a scenario where Carolina, they would be thrilled. You start talking about Bryce Young, McMillan, and now you bring in Jeremiah. Love what they added to their defense, man. Carolina may be going places if this happens.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah. Yeah.
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George Dunham
Okay. That brings us to the Cowboys at 20 and the question I think a lot of Cowboy fans will have. If you've taken an edge, do you take someone who can play the inside linebacker position? I think in reality this would be a trade down by the Cowboys and maybe you pick up a second round pick, but let's just give him a pick here at 20. You've taken an edge. Is it too high for C.J. allen, Bob? And I say no. Is that crazy, Dominic?
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Dominic Robinson
That is not crazy. And if I can get C.J. allen here to pair with Bain, I am dancing in the streets tonight. That's, that's a good first two picks. Those are two very good players, well coached. You know, they're going to come in and be, be impact players right away. So I love that. I, I'll, I'll go back and just say I've loved Messador at this spot and I still do, but obviously if you, if Bain is the guy you, I don't know that you can do Bane and Messador in the same draft, it'd be great. I do think this spot is. If Macedor drops to you at 20, you gotta take them. You know, obviously if you don't have an edge, but if CJ Allen's there, you take them and you pair these two and you've got yourself a heck of a draft haul in your, in your first round picks. That's, that's the way I feel.
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Bob Sturm
Let's, let's at least put our next five available so we, we do the table talk here briefly.
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George Dunham
Okay.
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Bob Sturm
I think, I think we, we should think this through a little bit and, and I'm just, I'm riffing off top of my head here who's available. If you got a better list, Dominic, let me know. But I see Kaden McDonald, I see Calderick Falk, I see. Who else am I looking at? Chris Johnson, San Diego State. Caleb banks, Florida.
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Dominic Robinson
Parker.
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Bob Sturm
T.J. parker, Clemson. This is all going to be eye of the beholder, of course.
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George Dunham
What do you all think? Of Colton Hoods.
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Bob Sturm
Honestly, that's not a crazy idea. I think, I think 20 is about right for Colton Hood as well. And so if you want to go DB you could. But if you ask me this scenario, this exact scenario plays out, would they take CJ Allen over Keldrick Falk? I'm saying there's no way they would do that. They would take Keldrick Falk if there's that name again. Because. Because I think you would look at Bain as more of a linebacker edge and I think you would look at Falk as more of like a five technique defensive end who, who could play right next to Quinn and Williams and Kenny Clark bigger than Osa in terms of six. Six. And he played at about 290 last year. I just, man, I, I think they would do that. I want to hear what Dominic thinks of that.
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Dominic Robinson
I. I agree. I don't see. Again, for me, I love C.J. allen again. Georgia, the Georgia pedigree and all of that.
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Bob Sturm
Yep.
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Dominic Robinson
So I'm giving you. When I say that I'm giving you my pick, I'm not giving you who I think the Cowboys are going to get. And I could definitely see them, you know, taking Keldrick Falk there and that would not be, you know, a bad pick or a reach or anything like that. That's interesting. The pff like mocks have the Cowboys taken Keldrick Falk like more than any other player.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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George Dunham
At number 12, right?
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Dominic Robinson
Yeah, yeah, at 12. So. So, yeah. So the fact that if he's there at 20, them taking him, I don't think that that would be the craziest thing. So.
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Bob Sturm
And those. Honestly, the way we've done this, and we may be dead wrong here, but the way we've done it does leave a lot of wiggle room for a ton of those interior defensive line guys. And what we're talking about there is Ohio State's Kaden McDonald, Kayla Banks from Florida, Peter woods from Clemson. And I put Keldrick Falk in that group because I don't think he's actually a stand up edge. I, you know, it's six. Six. I just think that's crazy. I think he's a long defensive end who, you know, can. He's 20 years old, guys. And I know people love to kind of hate on Keldrick Falk because he didn't have 10 sacks this year and it's not great. I would love to have seen more production from this year, but. But gosh, he can't even drink legally. I just Think this is a rare body type. And I love C.J. allen, I love Jacob Rodriguez, but I just know the Cowboys are pretty married to best player available that can help their defense. And I think they see Keldrick Falk as. Kenny Clark isn't going to be here forever. And here's a good dude who's 20 who can really be a dude on the defensive line who will stop the run. We know how important that is to them if it plays out like this. I think they would forego linebacker to take Keldrick Falk. Auburn. That's my pick.
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George Dunham
Okay.
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Dominic Robinson
Can I ask you guys. So I have not looked at 20 trading down from 20 as heavily as I have 12, actually. I don't know that I've looked at all.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah.
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Dominic Robinson
What are your thoughts? Do you. Is that something we do? I would love to have that conversation. That's a conversation for another day, but
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George Dunham
no, I think that's a good one. I think I would do it if those are my choices. If it falls similar to what we have, I would trade down. And then I think for sure it brings in Anthony Hill, C.J. allen, J. Rob, those guys. I think it brings into the second round that someone's just traded you to get. To get up the number 20.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, I think. I think we should look at that in the, in the week to follow here, because that'd be 850 points. And, and so what we would be looking for is somebody who can maybe give us, I don't know, pick 35 and 65, something like that, you know, where you get a high second and a high third for your second first. I, I think that would be great business. And I think that does put you in a range where you feel good about taking best linebacker available at, say, 35. And then you turn around at 65 and you, you. You can add another key player that you weren't expecting to have. And now, you know, we know how the Cowboys like doing this, Georgie. They. They entered the off season with no second and no third, and now they would leave in that scenario with a second and two thirds. And I think that would be pretty exciting for them.
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Dominic Robinson
And especially in this scenario when at 12, you get a top 10 player, that's where I think this comes into play. If at 12, you get stuck with, like, McCoy or, you know, you know, you get SEC stuck with a guy that you, you know, maybe just fell, then you probably, you don't want to trade that, that 20 spot. But if you get somebody, if you steal somebody that should have been Gone, you know, that should have gone before 12. One of those Ohio State defenders somehow slips or, you know, something like that, then, you know, that's where I think, man, you really got to look at get getting out of that 20 spot. If you could go get, like I said, oh, Rodriguez and another defensive player in that, you know, Keldrick Falk later. You know, something like that. That's, that's a great little scenario.
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George Dunham
We have the Cowboys at number 12 going with Reuben Bain out of Miami and then Keldrick Falk out of Auburn. Really adding to your, your defensive front fall kid number 20. And that is, the Cowboys would be happy about that. And no matter who, what team you are in the NFL, if you have picks 12 and 20 and that's who you got, I think any team would go, man, you got really good value there. You've had a really good first round. Especially if you're trying to rebuild a defense like the Cowboys are.
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Bob Sturm
Yeah, they should put us in charge for sure.
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George Dunham
I don't know.
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Dominic Robinson
Where do we sign up for that? George, do you have that sign up?
- [70:52]
George Dunham
I don't know. I'm gonna look for that sign up sheet out at the start. I'll see if we get signed up for, for draft day and we'll work our way into the war room. How about that? Well, that was fun. If nothing else. Just an exercise to see how it could go for the Cowboys next week in the NFL draft. And we'll be back to talk more about it next time here on Football Friends special edition this week with Dominic Robinson, along with Bob Sturm. I'm George Dunham. Thanks to Peter Welton for producing our little Football Friends mock draft and we'll talk to you next time. The Hammer Alley podcast, an 80s flashback mockumentary.
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