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Gordon
Close your eyes. Exhale.
George
Feel your body relax and let go.
Gordon
Of whatever you're carrying today.
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Craig
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Gordon
Of course, we always had the set up to where there was the white meat platter and then there was that mystery dark meat platter.
George
Nobody got the dark meat.
Gordon
Looked like a turkey that had cancer or something.
Podcast Announcer
Welcome back to Bemusers, the podcast. This is episode 23, the Fart Walk.
Gordon
Hey, hey. Welcome to episode two three of the Musers, the podcast. That's 23.
George
Oh, okay.
Gordon
Yeah. I'm Gordon.
George
I'm George.
Craig
I'm Craig.
Gordon
All right, it's time to get started. Now this. We have not done a podcast since we all got together for Thanksgiving over at George's house. And that was a lot of fun.
George
Yeah, y' all drank way too much. But it was fun.
Gordon
We did. I hate that I broke my sobriety, my 15 year sobriety Thanksgiving. George's homemade wine.
Craig
I thought it was great until we all started talking politics.
Gordon
Yeah, I know.
George
The idea was that so divisive.
Gordon
We were all trying to out maga each other and out progressive each other. It was wonderful. Now the three of us have never spent a Thanksgiving together.
Craig
Except when we used to work on Thanksgiving doing our radio show.
Gordon
Remember that?
Craig
Oh, yeah.
George
Did we really?
Craig
Many, many years. We would even bring in turkey and dressing and we'd have a meal up there.
George
We do the morning, then go home.
Craig
Yeah, I bet we did our radio show on Thanksgiving Day probably five, maybe even 10 times back in the early days.
Gordon
Yeah.
Craig
So we have kind of spent Thanksgiving together. You're right. Not at each other's fun, not at each other's home. You know, there was actually something kind of fun about it because we were at work, but it was a holiday and it felt like we were kind of in the bunker together.
Gordon
Yeah, it kind of feels like a substitute teacher day.
Craig
Yeah.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
It's kind of a holiday while you're still at school.
Additional Speaker
Yeah.
George
We didn't have to do a real show that day.
Gordon
Right. All right, we're going to do some many fun Thanksgiving things that we have planned today. But first, as always, we have to Start off with our letter of the week. Now, if you, the good podcast listener, would like to send in a letter, make a submission, you can email us@themuserspodmail.com that's our. That's our email address. This comes to us from a Aaron, or Aaron, I guess.
George
Yeah, I think that's it.
Gordon
Says, hey, fellas, love what you're doing. Oh, that's very sweet. And love what you're doing to your bodies. I don't know even know what that means. Says George mentioned during the Bucket List Bucket List episode of the Muse of the podcast that he wanted to take a drive to California and maybe even up to Oregon. Aaron says, it's like you were speaking right to me, Giorgio and I just had to email in. He said, I actually did that drive with my girlfriend last summer. I moved her down from Portland. So we decided to make a mini vacation in a budget truck. We drove down along the coast of Oregon in California, through the gorgeous valleys, thick forest and sheer cliffs, and every kind of small fishing town. We drove through a portion of the redwood forest north of San Francisco, drove through downtown, and then chose to bypass LA by cutting through at Bakersfield. And he said, we eventually made it through Arizona. We stopped at the Grand Canyon, then straight through to New Mexico, saw Albuquerque, but didn't stop. Then down the Panhandle via 287. He said it was awesome. I bet he said he recommends you do this trip while you have the energy, George. I don't know what that means.
George
By tomorrow, maybe kind of a shot.
Gordon
Across your bow there and to stop along the one or the one to one. Any chance you want to. To take a picture. So it's all very picturesque. And Gordon, you're absolutely right. It was one of the most romantic drives I've ever taken. I felt so connected to America and really appreciate the beauty of our country and the different biomes.
George
That's great.
Gordon
Yeah. Said, thanks for your time and kiss each other on the mouth for me.
Craig
Okay. Okay.
George
But no, but that, yeah, I've always wanted to take the drive from Texas to California and the drive going up the one on in California, up the Oregon. That has to be a top five drive in America.
Craig
Yeah, I would think so.
George
Coast.
Craig
Yeah, that's my favorite part of the country. Anything from Texas over the American Southwest. I just love the wide open spaces, the big skies, the rock formations, the mountains, the desert, it's got it all. Lots of great wildlife. And if you do part of that on what's left of Route 66, that's really cool too. Yes. You can go through some of the old towns. When I drive up to New Mexico a lot from Texas and you go through Tucum, Carey and I always take the business route, get off the highway, the interstate, do the business route. And it is stepping back in time. And a lot of those hotels that were booming in the 40s and 50s are now empty. But it's great. You feel like you're in 1950 driving down that road. Yeah.
Gordon
But isn't it also depressing because it's a ghost town? It gets a little bit of that feeling of faded glory, faded energy, but there. But I want to see it.
Craig
You should do it because there are a couple diners that are still open and you, you go in and you feel like Kerouac must have sat right here in this booth. And it's, it's really cool. But also depressing someday.
Gordon
And so it was the big highways that put Route 66 out of the business when we built the huge, huge highways that bypassed all those little towns.
Craig
I think I told you guys, when I was a kid living in Oklahoma City, our first house that we lived in there was one block off of Route 66.
Podcast Announcer
Really?
Craig
Yeah. We lived on 37th Street. It was actually two blocks. And 39th was old Route 66.
George
Okay.
Gordon
Think of how many famous people came down through there back in the day.
Craig
I know it.
Gordon
And didn't say hi to you. All right, so I have a Thanksgiving related story I will tell a little bit later that relates to Route 66 and the Great American road trip. But first, I do want to talk about Thanksgiving. And I have a question.
George
Today we're both part of the podcast where he rags on turkey question.
Gordon
Is Thanksgiving overrated or is it simply just not that great? And we'll, we'll start with you, George. Go ahead and let you.
George
What do you have against Thanksgiving?
Gordon
I don't have anything against Thanksgiving. I just think that perhaps you overrated a little bit too much and your overrating of it has led you to slag on Christmas.
George
No, no, I don't take anything away from Christmas. But it kicks off the holiday season.
Gordon
It does.
George
It's an incredible family gathering day and that's more and more important to me as my kids get older. And I was telling Craig today, I don't see my, my kids every Thanksgiving now because they're married and we have that rotating thing where they may be at their in laws one particular particular year. But this year they were all home and it was awesome. I just, I. There were several times during the day where I just looked around and thought, this is great. Four different generations. And it was wonderful. The food was great, the conversation was great. And yeah, it's a wonderful, wonderful day.
Gordon
And you get football and we got.
George
An incredible Cowboys game. Yeah, it was great.
Craig
I would almost, almost make the case that Thanksgiving is better than Christmas. Now back away from this microphone. I still have Christmas ranked number one, but I love Thanksgiving. And part of it is that family element. At Thanksgiving. We traditionally go to my aunt Mary's house and it's 30 people. It's aunts, uncles, parents, kids, cousins. And this year we traveled up to the northeast. We went to Connecticut to visit family and we had a house full there as well. It's more family oriented, I think, than even Christmas.
Gordon
Maybe that's why I hate it.
George
Uh oh, hey, let's examine this.
Craig
Those are your own issues with your family that you can sort through. But it's more of a family reunion at Thanksgiving and Christmas. You know, each family wants to do kind of their own Christmas morning with their kids and, and so that's the element and it is the gateway to the holidays. And it's maybe the first time you can actually have a fire and you have this feast and you have football. It's just. I love Thanksgiving.
George
Well, I do too. And this Thanksgiving I assembled two rollaway cots for my grandkids.
Gordon
Like actually built them. You're talking about.
George
Yeah, the assembly was required. It wasn't that hard.
Gordon
So they're brand new.
George
Still took me several hours because how.
Gordon
Long does it take you to build a cot, man?
George
Try to shimmy in this, the end piece of it.
Gordon
It's got to go in the same time. Yes.
George
You get one that's barely on, then the other one slips off. It took forever. But anyway, it brought up great memories because when we went to my grandparents house, we would sleep on rollaway cots and I went, holy cow, I've become my grandparents now. And I just wondered, man, what are they going to do? Think about what are they going to say to each other tonight as they're going to sleep on these cots and yeah, it's just great. It's just, it's such a great family day. And if your family's four to six people or like our Thanksgiving Day, we had 24 people at my house.
Gordon
Pretty good.
George
It was great. It was a wonderful day.
Gordon
So growing up, we did every Thanksgiving at my paternal grandfather's house. I had a very unusual childhood in that every single big holiday, the extended Family all got together. Like I'm talking, you know, three, four generations, like you were talking about that you did this year.
George
Do you think that's changing, by the way?
Gordon
I think that it is. You know, because even when I was a kid, this had a feeling like this was an older person's tradition. Because a lot of my family, they all lived in the same town. They weren't wealthy, people weren't spread out over America and had travel budgets and stuff. It just seemed like everyone. And so people got together. That's just what that generation did. My grandmother's generation that came through World War II, which was kind of your dad's generation. Georgio and. But we all gathered at my Grandma Mary's house. That was her name.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
Which was odd because she eventually became a grandmother, but perfect name then. Yeah. And so we got together at her house and there was probably. It was probably in that 30 to 40 people range. And you got to see all these characters that have eventually made it onto the air later on. Sure, in our radio career. But it was the greatest study in humanity ever. It was just so fun listening to all those old World War II guys. They would all be smoking in the kitchen or maybe out up under the carport and telling stories about old guys they knew and just laughing and cutting up and getting quiet when the kids would come around there, you know, a great story was being told then. And then just the feast and Aunt Nancy's banana pudding. And then you got Aunt Glenda's so and so dish. And then there were always the mystery dishes of the green beans that had corn flakes on top of them. Whatever that thing is.
George
Some sort of cream soup in there. Yeah.
Gordon
There's always these traditional family dishes.
Craig
Yeah. Half of the Thanksgiving dishes don't look appetizing.
Gordon
No, they don't. And as a kid, we would mainly just load up on a bunch of rolls.
George
It seemed like, yes, Boy, those were always good.
Additional Speaker
Rolls were huge.
George
Or an adult. The rolls are always big time.
Gordon
Yeah. And are rolls still using the same technology they used then? I don't know whether my grandmother. I remember yeast rolls being a big deal and those tasting really good. I don't even know what a yeast roll is.
George
Well, I guess one that has to rise, huh?
Gordon
Yeah. You have to set them out for, I don't know, several months in advance. I don't know what happens, but seemed like it was a production making the yeast rolls. But it was great. And I did love Thanksgiving because we did it at that same house throughout my whole childhood. And there was always the worst football game ever that got organized for the front yard.
Craig
Always a tradition.
Gordon
Absolutely. And the football would only be used when we went to her house and she didn't live in the same town as we did. We traveled over there. That's when the kids would get together.
Craig
So it was deflated.
Gordon
Always deflated. No inflator within 50 miles. So we had to play with a deflated football.
George
Well, you probably found the pump, but no one had a needle. Anyone have a needle?
Gordon
Always lost the needle.
George
When do you keep them? So many flat footballs.
Gordon
But yes, it was fantastic. And I do love Thanksgiving.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
For that reason. I hate Thanksgiving. For the reason that you love it so much, though.
George
Okay, here is the part where Gordon bags on what we eat for Thanksgiving because.
Gordon
And I'm just gonna say it because we're in a podcast, right? So you can say whatever you want. Turkey is the worst food of all time.
George
I don't think I'd go that far.
Gordon
It is like. Like, even turkeys hate that they're made of turkey because it embarrasses them.
Craig
I wouldn't go that far. But I do kind of agree with you in that it's overrated. I much would prefer a chicken or red meat or fish or anything. Turkey is just kind of a spare white meat.
Gordon
It was always spare. And then they. Of course, we always had the set up to where there was the white meat platter and then there was that mystery dark meat platter.
George
Nobody about the dark meat looked like.
Gordon
A turkey that had cancer or something.
George
Okay, yeah, not so sure about that. But it depends on how you cook them. It depends on how you flavor them. And if you just went with some, you know, generic dry turkey, then I could see why you're thinking, okay, this is overrated. But if you infuse it correctly, infuse it or smoke it or. I mean, call this lazy, but last couple of years, we get our turkey from a barbecue place. That does it for us. Yeah, that's the thing with turkey. So good.
Gordon
If you trick turkey up with smoke flavor or barbecue sauce. Now you're talking. Because it de. Emphasizes the turkey aspect of turkey.
Craig
That's why you put gravy on it.
George
Well, see, I don't. I don't put gravy. But no, in. In my mom's old recipe for stuffing or dressing, whatever you want to call it, my sister still makes. And her cranberry sauce, which is. She makes fresh. It's not from the can. It's so incredible. I seriously could eat that every day.
Gordon
All right, wait a second. Cranberry sauce has to come from the can?
George
No.
Gordon
Because part of the whole experience is that it maintains that can shape when you put it on the plate.
George
No, this serving plate, this has been ground up and it's fresh cranberries and oranges and. Oh, man, it's so good.
Gordon
There's also something we used to have when I was a kid called ambrosia.
Craig
Oh, yeah.
Gordon
Weird marshmallows on the top that always.
George
So sure about that.
Craig
Look too gross to me.
Gordon
Yeah, Yeah.
George
I can't defend ambrosia.
Gordon
I somehow made it through 18 childhood thanksgivings without ever having a taste of it. So I call that a success.
George
And we don't. At least I don't eat pieces of pie any other time during the year. But at Thanksgiving and Christmas, you don't know.
Gordon
Apparently, I've been doing Thanksgiving every day of my life.
George
I mean, I may have the occasional key lime pie or something, maybe, but not very often.
Craig
Pumpkin pie. I'll eat pumpkin pie around Thanksgiving and then no other pie the rest of the year.
George
That's right.
Craig
Maybe a piece of chocolate pie here and there.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
Well, it should be called Thanksgiving. That's the word that I have for that holiday. No, it was great. It was fine. And I got you a little gift. A Thanksgiving Day gift. Giorgio.
George
Okay. Oh, this is going to be.
Gordon
I got a story for you.
George
Story gone wrong on Thanksgiving.
Gordon
And you get to read this because. Gosh, it is. This is from an actual doctor for your health. That this is something that this doctor is recommending.
Craig
Okay.
George
Okay. This doctor, the headline says, doctor recommends taking a fart walk on Thanksgiving.
Craig
After the big meal.
George
Yes. Okay. Gosh. It's a woman doctor, too.
Gordon
What is that?
George
Because men and women should.
Craig
They can be doctors, too.
Gordon
Why do you think that women should enter the medical field?
George
I'm sure she's a terrific doctor, but it's just uncomfortable for men and women to talk about farts.
Gordon
Why? Why do you say that?
George
It just is that just. It's something we shouldn't talk about together. I don't know what it is. Okay. This is Dr. Tricia Pasricha.
Gordon
I think you did a great P.
George
A S R I C H A Paprika. After indulging in a big Thanksgiving meal, many may experience discomfort. But Dr. Tricia, she says and suggests a simple remedy with a memorable name called the fart walk.
Craig
I take a fart walk every day.
Gordon
Craig's been cropped us in his neighborhood, 365.
George
Of course, she starts her sentence with so. So the fart walk is the highly scientific term for just a walk that you take for about 10 to 15 minutes shortly after eating a big meal, like the kinds we're all going to be having tomorrow. She says this the day before Thanksgiving and what it does to help relieve bloating and flatulence in addition to easing bloating. And there's actually a second very good reason to engage in the fart walk, which is that going for a walk after eating actually helps prevent spikes in your blood sugar. So kind of bring those blood sugar levels down.
Gordon
Why don't you have to add that?
Craig
So kind of, you know, bring this sort of.
Gordon
So I had not heard of this, that if you take a walk it brings your blood sugar level down.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
Regardless of what you've eaten before.
George
I guess so. I'm sorry, I was distracted with the last line of the article that says.
Gordon
Oh, she's written a book, has she?
George
Yeah, she's written a book called Ask the Doctor and it's not that original. That's her column in the Washington Post and she delves deeper into the gut science in her book. The name of the book is you've been pooping all wrong. That's enough of Dr. Trisha. All wrong.
Gordon
Not just a little bit wrong.
George
All wrong. All wrong.
Craig
Actually, a lot of times it does feel like I've been pooping wrong.
Gordon
It's always a wrong.
Craig
I'd like to read this book.
George
Yeah, I guess sometimes we all get up and go, man, that was just wrong. Whatever happened just happened right there.
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Gordon
So I think I got lost on Thanksgiving one time. No, no, that was Christmas when I was a kid. I went out for a walk. It was not one of these walks. It was on Christmas. Yeah. And I got lost in this neighborhood in Jackson, Mississippi. And, like, how old? I was probably 10.
George
Oh, no.
Gordon
And gone for a couple hours, wandering around the streets of Jackson, turning to a life of crime to survive. Yes. They had a whole search party after me.
Craig
You know what happened that. Did you just.
Gordon
I think that I got distracted because I'd gotten a Mickey Mouse watch for Christmas, and I really loved this Mickey Mouse watch. And so a lot of the times while I was walking, I would be looking down at my watch, so I wasn't paying attention to my surroundings and, you know, kind of memorizing the streets that I'm going by and knowing the way back. So then I just realized I'd walked for 30, 45 minutes. I was completely lost.
Craig
But were you trying to get away from the family or did you just want to explore?
Gordon
No, I just wanted to explore.
Craig
Okay.
Gordon
It was just. Yeah.
Craig
You weren't running away like we always.
Gordon
Used to run away. This was at a. My aunt, actually, my dad's aunt. We called her Aunt Mary Jane, but it was. It wasn't a pot reference.
George
Okay.
Gordon
Is my dad's aunt Mary Jane. We all called her that. And it was at her house, which is a smaller house. And they. It was a lot of smoke in that. That house because Mary Jane was married to Jimmy Barnett. It was weird. We called him Jimmy Barnett. His last name was Barnett, and we called him Jimmy Barnett. You didn't just call him Jimmy.
George
Was there your Uncle Jimmy or.
Gordon
Yeah.
Craig
Was there another Jimmy? You were trying to my dad was.
Gordon
Called Jimmy when he was growing up, so maybe that's why they. I don't know why they did it.
Craig
Okay.
Gordon
I don't know why. I never thought it was weird until I just said it to you guys. Anytime we referenced him, it was always his full name.
Craig
I never thought of your dad as a Jimmy.
Gordon
I know. Yeah, he grew up as little Jimmy.
Craig
Interesting.
Gordon
But, yeah, I got lost. But that was on Thanksgiving. But that was on Christmas, which we're heading into Christmas.
Craig
We are. Don't you love Thanksgiving also? Because the leaves are all changing. Like when we went up to Connecticut this last weekend for this Thanksgiving. I guess because our seasons are all messed up now. They still had the fall foliage, so you had all the yellow leaves and the red and the orange and just. You don't get that at Christmas. The trees are bare by Christmas.
Gordon
Yeah, I don't care about that stuff.
Craig
Oh, that adds to it.
George
I bet it was awesome.
Gordon
My computer has better graphics than real life, so.
George
Gosh, he really feels that way.
Gordon
None of you guys participated in Friendsgiving, correct? None.
Craig
Correct.
Gordon
None of us have had a Friendsgiving party.
Craig
I've done that. I've gone to a couple friends giving parties. Like when we had to keep working through the holidays. And my parents were at the time living down in Galveston. I couldn't make it down there to my sister's house in Austin. I went to a couple friends givings, but I've never hosted one.
Gordon
I've never been to one or hosted one.
Craig
They're not bad.
Gordon
I don't even remember this term until a few years ago.
Craig
Yeah, when I went. This is 20 years ago. We didn't call it that. It was just. Hey, a get together at a friend's house.
Gordon
Yeah, get together. Why do we have to relabel it Friendsgiving? I guess we need a cute name for it. Yes, fine. If that makes people more apt to get together with people.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
And actually get together. I can't remember the last time, like, I got together with a bunch of friends and had a party.
Craig
That's kind of sad.
Gordon
I know it's kind of sad. You know what? I can't remember having friends. I don't know that I ever had friends. Okay, so Thanksgiving was good. We all survived. How long is it okay to still be eaten off the buffet table that's been put in the fridge?
George
I say three to four days. After that, I think it gets a little blinky.
Gordon
I have a theory that pies never go bad.
George
You know, that's interesting. You bring that up, because do you keep, like, the pecan and the pumpkin pie at room temperature? You put them in the fridge.
Gordon
Put them in the fridge.
Craig
Do you have this?
Gordon
You leave them out.
George
We kept ours out.
Craig
Yeah, you're supposed to put them in the fridge. Well, do you have this theory? Because anytime you go into a restaurant that serves pie, they always have that pie display and it looks like they've been in there for years.
Gordon
Yeah.
George
Yeah.
Craig
And they seem okay.
Gordon
And they do temperature. They always last. I just don't think that pies go bad. And so, like, we'll make about four or five pumpkin pies for Thanksgiving, and I'll eat on that for the next month.
George
The next month?
Gordon
Yeah, just go in there and go. Four weeks later, you graze on pumpkin pie.
George
Yeah, I wouldn't go more than a week, I don't think.
Craig
According to AI, pies can go bad. And their shelf life depends on the type of pie and how it's stored. Fruit pies can be left at room temperature for a couple of days, but pies with dairy or eggs, like pumpkin pies, need to be refrigerated immediately.
Gordon
Okay, but once they're refrigerated, they last for months, right? Yeah, they do last for months.
Craig
It says here they last for months. It's right here in writing. They last for months.
Gordon
All right. And then after Thanksgiving, you know what comes next, right?
George
Oh, yeah.
Gordon
Not Christmas.
George
Conference championship week.
Gordon
No. Shut up with that. Black Friday, the shopping day.
George
Is Cyber Monday bigger than Black Friday? No. I think it is.
Craig
Yeah, I think it is.
Gordon
Well, I think that Black Friday has become Cyber Friday, basically because a lot of shopping people do online on Black Friday, too. And I noticed when I went online on Friday, there were people. I mean, there were websites that was all, or, hey, our big Black Friday sale. And they're showing you stuff that they're selling online for Black Friday.
George
Huh.
Gordon
So it's not like they. You're prohibited from doing a sale online on Friday after Thanksgiving, but Black Friday.
Craig
Is the day that everybody lines up at 6am at the Walmart. And when they open the doors, there's this land rush that still happens. Yeah, I saw a video of it from this weekend.
George
Okay.
Craig
According to the Internet, Cyber Monday this year will be worth about 14 billion in sales. Black Friday, 11 billion. Okay, so Cyber Monday is a little bigger.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
This says that 12 and a half million dollars pass through online shopping carts every minute during Black Friday.
George
Wow.
Gordon
12 and a half million every single minute.
George
Wow.
Gordon
So, yeah, I actually participated in Black Friday for the first time online or you actually got out in person?
George
Wow, Georgio. Okay.
Gordon
And it failed for me.
Craig
Why?
Gordon
All right, so here's the story. And this relates to our big email that we had, our big viewer email of the week. So I am determined that I'm going to give myself a gift.
George
Okay.
Gordon
I want me a big ass old Buick, unlike the one I already have.
George
I thought you already had one.
Gordon
Yes, but I'm wanting one that was made from like 1995 to around 2008 in that time period with a 3800 engine in it. That one in particular. Very reliable car. So I thought of you, Giorgio, because the big old Buick LeSabre.
George
Yeah, my dad always had one of those.
Craig
My dad had one too.
Gordon
Everyone had a LeSabre at some point. Yeah, we had a LeSabre. We had a 1995 LeSabre as a matter of fact. And there was one cowboys training camp in Wichita Falls where I borrowed a car from one of my car dealer friends. And it was a Park Avenue Ultra.
George
Just.
Gordon
It was the biggest grandpa car you've ever seen it. And I freaking loved that.
Craig
Crushed velvet seats.
Gordon
This one had the leather seats in it. This is after they had moved. That is my favorite era of the park avenues. And the Sabers is when you had that huge pillow top, cloth, whatever, that velour. Yes, that is awesome. But those are a little bit too old for me. I want something with airbags and things like that. So, Black Friday sale. I noticed that they had this 1995 Buick Lesaber at a car dealership. It was one of their Friday doorbuster sales for Black Friday.
George
Door Buster.
Gordon
Door buster, yeah. And. And so I was going to go, you know how much it was listed for? It probably had maybe 110,000 miles on it.
George
I don't know, is it to the point of being classic where it's worth.
Gordon
Like 20,000 or $10,995? Of course, the whole time I'm thinking, like, how is this gonna go over at home? When I pull up in this vehicle.
George
It backfires as you're pulling in, fires.
Gordon
Shoots the tailpipe through the front window of the house. So I wait. It's, you know, the dealership opens and it's a door buster sale. So I know I got to get there pretty early. So I head to the dealership and I think they opened at 9. I'm still having coffee and everything. So I probably got there around 10. And I'm thinking, I'm just gonna buy this thing. I mean, it's 995 bucks. Right. It's my Christmas gift to myself. So I show up there and I asked about it and they said dude, that thing's been gone for hours. Said that a guy showed up at 4:30 in the morning.
Craig
Wow. Really?
Gordon
Yeah. And then there was a line for that car.
George
Wow.
Gordon
I know. So the one time that I decide, okay, I am going to go for a Black Friday sale and actually buy something. I was way too late. So apparently people still do line up for things on Black Friday.
George
30 year old car.
Gordon
Yep.
George
Wow.
Gordon
So the reason I'm almost glad you.
George
Didn'T get it because where are you going to keep it then? It's going to be. You're going to spend money on it.
Gordon
I know. Yes.
Craig
You're like a very poor man's Jay Leno.
Gordon
Yes.
Craig
You have. You have a kind of a spare car collection, but you like to collect.
Gordon
An extremely spare car collection of uncollectible cars.
Craig
Right.
Gordon
That's my motto. I collect the uncollectible.
George
But.
Gordon
But I want to get that car because I want to do a road trip during my Christmas vacation. Maybe drive out to the west. You could go with me, George. 95 Buick in an old Buick with that great 3800v6 that they made for.
George
Many years overheat in Arizona.
Gordon
It's going to be great. I'm going to get it in tip top shape. It's going to live forever as well as me. I'm gonna live forever as well. So it's gonna be awesome.
George
Okay.
Gordon
Well I'm in a big old American sedan which there are not hardly any anymore. I'm trying to think of what American company even makes a sedan.
Craig
Why don't you drive that trip in the old Buick that you currently own. That's an old American sedan.
Gordon
That one ain't gonna make it. I let that one set up too.
George
Long cracked block on it or something.
Gordon
No, it's got, you know, you let it set up and those got carburetors so those will get all gummed and just. And it's got zero safety features in that thing.
Craig
Right. Doesn't even have seat belts.
Gordon
I'm trying to think that may be the first year that they had breakaway steering columns. Before that because of mine's in 1974. My bolt old Buick Electra 225. And before that year if you got head on collision, the steering wheel was a jousting lance that went right through you.
George
Oh my gosh.
Craig
Why don't you get rid of that then since you're never going to drive it.
Gordon
That's the plan. I'm going to list that on bringatrailer.com and somebody can. That's just a place where people sell old cars.
George
Okay.
Gordon
But you can get some great cars.
George
On that because you can't drive it away.
Gordon
You can't drive it. That's why they call it bring a trailer. Yeah.
Craig
Why don't you trade it for a 95 LeSabre?
Gordon
Yes. Yeah, now you're talking.
George
No, I think that's good. That something you want to do and you're going to act on it. That goes back to.
Gordon
Well, I was going to act on it, but I didn't line up at 4:00am for it.
George
Yeah, but you're still motivated to look for another one.
Gordon
Here's the problem with those cars, these old Buicks is the, the words out on them and people know that they had. That had one of the best engines that GM ever made as far as reliability and longevity. But you only have two kinds of old Buick Lesabers in Buick Park Avenues. And there were several others. You know, the Regal had that in there. And they're either grandpa cars, which is what you want, right. You want the old grandpa that had the thing because he always took it to the dealership and always got the work done on it.
Craig
Didn't drive it hard, didn't drive it.
Gordon
Very much at all and didn't drive it hard. And then you have the people that came in and bought them afterwards and tricked them out so much that they're just destroyed. So there really is kind of not a lot in between. And it's harder and harder to find a car that was made, you know, in 2005 that is coming straight from Grandpa because Grandpa checked out a while ago and that thing's been sold.
George
So once you get one with some.
Gordon
Hydraulics on it, I may do that. I don't. I've never understood that. I mean, it looks really cool, I guess, when you bounce the thing, but have you seen the dudes who build up the hydraulic cars and then they basically have contests where they all show up and they just bounce them until they destroy and that like they don't mind their car being destroyed afterwards because that's part of the experience. You build it to self destruct when you're bouncing it and fenders flying off and man kind of craziness.
Craig
It's so great if you got one of those and you pulled up to a red light and person in the car next to you is like, wow, that's Gordo. I listened to him. And then you just stare at him and start going up and down. I think, what a weirdo. I didn't know he was into this.
Gordon
So that's. That's my Black Friday story for you. Trying to get a Buick. So if. If a listener has an grandpa email that has a Buick Park Avenue, particularly the Ultra, which was supercharged. Oh, yeah, okay, supercharged. But that was my greatest. You know what. What? Cowboy training camp. That was when I borrowed that Park Avenue Ultra and drove it out there. The thing one where George went fishing with the kids and they thought that he was a slow. They did not.
George
They didn't. You guys made that up.
Gordon
You had a Mickey Mouse rod.
Craig
We came back from dinner and the apartment complex we were staying in Wichita Falls had a little pond behind it, very spare pond. And George had been telling us he's going to go fishing.
Gordon
The whole time he'd been threatening us that he was going to go fishing.
Craig
So we pull up in the parking lot and we look out there and there are three people fishing. Big George with like a hat on that didn't quite fit him and a.
Gordon
Little miniature T shirt on him, rotting.
George
Up over his belly.
Craig
Miniature fishing pole and 28 year old.
George
It looked so it was better than just sitting around the apartment talking about whatever ridiculous topic you guys were talking about. And I made friends. There were kids in the neighborhood and we fished together. I didn't creep them out either.
Gordon
Out by him. Especially when you told them to keep telling you about the rabbits. You want to hear about the rabbits again?
Craig
They 100% thought that you rode your adult tricycle to the pond either.
George
They look at me as a great fishing leader.
Gordon
What?
George
Fishing leader out of there. They thought that was awesome.
Gordon
You didn't catch a damn thing out.
George
Of that pond that I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be.
Gordon
Like a. I want that on a T shirt. It wasn't the pond I thought it was going to be.
George
Well, you know, like a golf course pond that just loaded with big bass. I did catch several bass.
Gordon
Wait, they stop.
George
Delicious bass.
Gordon
Golf. Golf course ponds are stocked.
George
Some of them are. That's some of the best fishing I've ever done. Some golf courses.
Gordon
I don't know about that.
Craig
There's a tiny golf course south of Dallas, Fort Worth, where they stock the pond. And Deion Sanders was famous for going down there.
George
Yeah.
Craig
And fishing. Star Hollow. Yeah. He was famous for going down there and fishing.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
I wonder if Dion still fishes or whether the because didn't he lose a. He didn't lose a foot.
George
Issues. Some toes and. Yeah, he has.
Craig
He's battling cancer. Right.
George
He got through that. But he has these blood clot problems.
Gordon
I think, cropping up.
Craig
Yeah.
Gordon
Don't you hate to see that? Especially from a. An athlete like him? Like one of the greatest specimens of a human ever.
Craig
Yes. Hate it. It's horrible.
Gordon
Remember when he showed us his leg that looked like it had a shark.
George
Bite out of it because he got that infection.
Gordon
Oh, is that what it was? I. I just assumed it was a shark bite because I liked fishing so much?
George
I don't think so.
Craig
That shows the danger of a surgery. It was a fairly routine surgery on his toe.
George
Right.
Craig
But he had that infection.
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Gordon
Okay. Speaking of Christmas, since we're going into Christmas, favorite Christmas movie.
George
I think it's become Elf. It used to be Home Alone first Home Alone.
Gordon
I bet you Craig has never seen either of those.
Craig
I've seen both of them.
Gordon
Really?
Craig
Yeah. I like them both. My favorite is the second generation of A Christmas Carol. Not the very first one made in 1929 or something. It was the one made in 39, roughly, I think, with Alistair Sim.
Gordon
Oh, my gosh. It's a talkie, isn't it?
Craig
It's a talkie. It's black and white. It's kind of short, but I love it. I watch it every year, so I.
Gordon
Watched the greatest Christmas movie of all time.
George
Here comes a vast overrating Die Hard. Oh, okay.
Craig
It does that.
George
Eternal.
Gordon
Absolutely. Still holds up.
George
It does.
Craig
It's great.
Gordon
It's so fantastic.
Craig
And it is a Christmas movie, right?
Gordon
Yeah, that's the big Stupid debate that people have culturally is, is it a Christmas movie or not?
George
I don't care whether Christmas party at the big office.
Gordon
Bruce Willis says that it's not because it came out in July and it was a summer blockbuster, but it's set at Christmas time, so. And it's become a tradition for people to watch it during the holiday season.
Craig
Why wouldn't they release that at Christmas time?
Gordon
I don't know.
Craig
Because that's a big movie release time as well.
Gordon
Yeah, I don't know. They wanted it to be a summer blockbuster, I guess. But it is so good and it's so unlike movies that are made now. And I hope that I. I'm not good old days syndrome in this because I read a bunch of reputable people talking about. No, no. It actually is a very like a fantastic movie. It's not just you thinking, oh, back in my day things were better. But there are things that I like about it because it's not like present day movies. Number one is you have not everything shake cam.
Craig
Right.
Gordon
You know, now today action movies, they edit them so fast and shaky like their ideas to make you be able to not even follow the action.
Craig
Yes. I hate that you're supposed to.
Gordon
It's like almost the modern films give you the feeling of action without ever showing much action, right? Yeah, just by camera movements and confusion. But it's so well shot. And also it's a non second screen kind of movie. We've talked about this before, about how now movie makers make movies that you don't have to watch because most people can't watch movies anymore because they like to look at their phone at the same time and they have the movie on in the background and you have to make it to where you can follow the movie without watching it, which is.
George
My gosh, are you serious?
Gordon
I know, I hate that movies are that way. But they have to respond to the way people are. And in Die Hard so much of things, something is just shown briefly that if you miss that scene then you don't see that that is tied in with something that's going to happen later. You know, you got to actually you're getting visual information as well as just auditory information.
George
He takes his shoes off. That's very important to.
Gordon
I noticed this this time as I watched it more carefully that almost everything that was introduced played some part in the story.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
Like there wasn't a lot of loose ends that were there. You know, they were a lot of Chekhov's guns in the movie. You know, something was if they show the gun in the first act, it was gonna have to go off in the second act.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
Whether it's just the mention of the watch that she gets, whether it's him, the guy telling me about the shoe trick, and then he's the whole movie without the shoes. That's great.
George
Son of a bitch.
Gordon
I know. And the other thing that I love, which they don't seem to get these days, is a hero is a guy who's really fallible, who's up against it, and you see his humanity. I don't want the superhero who all you ever feel from him is plot armor.
Craig
Yeah.
Gordon
I like the guy, like Bruce Willis, that, like, when he's fighting with Carl, he's just yelling at him, calling him an mfer, like. Like, that's the way people fight in the street.
George
Right?
Gordon
You know?
George
Yeah.
Gordon
Is this really frantic kind of thing. Not this cinematic kind of fighting. It's a real grapple and a real, you know, two dudes battling at a bar.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
That all just made it so fantastic. And Bruce Willis is so good and so likable in it and so relatably human in it.
George
The newscaster almost ruins that movie.
Gordon
Yeah. That was a little over the top. Which one you talk about? The reporter. The actual news.
George
Yeah, the reporter. Yeah. Who?
Gordon
I thought he was pretty good.
George
It's just so ridiculous, though.
Craig
Die hard gets 94% on the tomato meter.
Gordon
Yeah.
Craig
It's great for both critics and the audience.
Gordon
It's so good. It's so good. And the crazy thing about it, Alan Rickman, that was his very first movie.
Craig
Wow.
Gordon
He was a stage actor and he agreed to do this movie. And he makes one of the most iconic villain characters of all time with Hans Gruber.
George
God, he was so good. Yeah.
Craig
Did you guys take part in the greatest Thanksgiving movie to watch? Planes, Trains and Automobiles?
George
I did. I thought about you. I watched it when I was putting those cots together. And to me, it holds up, I think, because I'm an old guy. But my kids love that movie, too. They think it's hilarious.
Craig
It has become the Thanksgiving movie. Like, there are a lot of Christmas movies, but that's the Thanksgiving movie. Right.
Gordon
You know what I call that movie?
George
Oh, no.
Gordon
A shit movie.
Craig
That is.
Gordon
No offense by it. I don't mean that. I don't mean that as a negative.
Craig
It. Stop it. That's in my top five comedies of all time list.
Gordon
No, it's a great movie.
George
When John Candy's driving with the lit cigarette mess around playing the piano on the dash, and it's all crossed up. Oh, my gosh.
Craig
It still goes out of control. Car spins around and then. And Steve sleeps through it all and then wakes up. What? What happened? Oh, we just almost hit a deer.
Gordon
That's all. That's all.
Craig
Are you okay?
George
Yes, I'm fine. To the devil, when he tries to go in between the two trucks, man, it's. That will always be funny to me.
Craig
Don't big time it.
George
Don't big time it. You're just mad that you weren't in the movie, and it's a great movie.
Gordon
Okay, but don't you consider Die Hard a better action movie than Plane strains and automobiles?
George
It's a different movie.
Craig
And George is right. You're Matt. You've always been mad that you weren't in that movie.
George
Yes.
Craig
Planes, Trains, and Automobiles. Stupid.
Gordon
That's stupid. I don't even know if that's in the top five of John Hughes movies.
Craig
Oh, please.
Gordon
Dude, you put that above Breakfast club.
Craig
Yes, yes.
George
100. Absolutely.
Craig
It's number one.
Gordon
You put it above Pretty in Pink.
Craig
Yes.
Gordon
Ferris Bueller's.
Craig
That's great.
George
That's closer.
Craig
Yeah, I. That's. That's a good comparison.
George
But as a holiday movie, which it is. It's just. Yeah, it's the best.
Gordon
You know, it. It suffered from what I think a lot of movies suffered from during that period of time. Not enough. Molly Ringwald. That's the big knock against planes, Trains, and Automobiles.
George
Boy, the rental car scene, again, it's been rehearsed. You know, it's been talked about for 30 years.
Gordon
Okay, 30 years old. Now, let's hear you recite the you can do it here podcast.
George
I can do it. It's not. It's not Caddyshack, so I can't hit it word for word.
Craig
When they show Steve walking back from the vacant rental car spot and how he has to slide down that snowy hill, walk across a Runway.
George
Runway.
Craig
Because this rental car wasn't there. And then how mad he is at the counter, and she tells him to hold just a minute because she's on the phone. Gobble, gobble, gobble. She's having this cute conversation. He's so mad.
George
Oh, man.
Craig
He's only trying to rile us up by.
George
Watch. Wiping that stupid.
Gordon
Stupid what?
George
Smile. Stupid.
Gordon
Did he say something before that?
George
He may have. I can't remember. Like I said, I couldn't do it word for word.
Gordon
All right, now, this is a little bit sappy, but I just want to take this moment to tell you Guys, how thankful I am for each of you.
George
Oh, that's really.
Gordon
I thought about you over the holidays and I was so thankful to think that I found these two guys. That we have been doing this for as long as we've been doing it and how well we've gotten along and how many laughs we still have. That's. So I was thankful for it and I thought I would thank you. Not personally, but on the podcast.
George
Okay.
Gordon
Because George still refuses to give me his number, so I can't text him.
Craig
You know what? That's very sweet of you. And I actually thought of you guys too, on Thanksgiving. And I had that same thought. How thankful I was to have the two of you in my life. And I said, you should text them and tell them that here on Thanksgiving. And of course, I never did. Yeah, yeah.
George
It's just I said I'm gonna wait and tell you guys on the podcast. So I too would like to.
Gordon
Oh, you're getting credit too?
George
Yes. Okay, good. That I am very thankful.
Gordon
And even though you guys are like my bestest friends of all time, you didn't notice something about me today that's very different.
Craig
I noticed you had falsies, but I've seen you wear those before.
Gordon
Not true.
George
I don't know what's up with you.
Gordon
What do you know what's different?
George
He's wearing sweats or action pants?
Gordon
Oh, yeah, these are sweatpants, brother.
George
Wow. Old school.
Gordon
Right out of the Rocky Balbano. Rocky Valvano.
Craig
Okay.
George
That is the most old man look in the history.
Gordon
But wait, isn't it horrible?
Craig
But wait a minute. Are they new sweatpants or are they old?
Gordon
I think these are new sweatpants. I found them in my closet and I put them on. I was like, damn, these are comfortable. And so I'm thinking about just going full give up, man. So now you're you. Both of you gentlemen are looking at a guy who's wearing is amazing sweatpants with dress shoes and who wants to own a Buick Park Avenue.
George
So in a typewriter T shirt.
Gordon
Wow.
George
You have given up.
Gordon
Yes, thank you. Thank you for noticing that.
Craig
That is amazing.
George
We always used to ask that when does a guy start giving up when he dresses. And well, for Gordon, it's. What are you, 81?
Gordon
81 now. And I guess women have switched away from the sweatpants. Those used to be the give up pants that women would wear, but I think now it's gone to that yoga yoga pants.
Craig
They all wear that.
George
It's so funny you did that because I wore sweats over the Thanksgiving break.
Gordon
And gosh, I just love it.
George
So comfy, especially now that the temperatures are getting colder.
Gordon
It makes you feel like God's giving your legs a hug.
George
And as I was putting on my pair of jeans to go to work, I said, no, I can't put on that pair of sweats because they will just kill me if I wear them.
Gordon
And then I show up, and then you show up.
George
We don't say a thing.
Gordon
That's right.
George
And didn't notice.
Gordon
Yeah. These are my dress sweatpants.
George
Sweatpants with dress shoes, though.
Gordon
Don't worry about that part of it.
Craig
So you feel like you're gonna go with these, grandpa a lot from here on out?
Gordon
I think so.
Craig
Okay.
Gordon
Yeah.
Craig
All right.
Gordon
And I'm investigating buying some shoes that are velcroed that you, you know, you fasten with Velcro.
George
Yeah.
Gordon
And they're orthopedic.
George
Do we have, in the building where we work, do we have a dress code of no sweats?
Craig
I don't think so.
Gordon
No. Just no sandals.
George
Yeah. That gets violated the summertime. Yeah.
Craig
I finally said, do you also have very long, dark dress socks on with garters? Dark socks.
Gordon
You do.
George
You do.
Gordon
I look great.
George
I'm gonna start calling you Grandpa Gordo.
Gordon
All the ladies love me. All the ladies love me. All right, we're done for this episode. Happy Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving.
Craig
Belated Thanksgiving.
Gordon
It's belated. We're all very thankful, of course, and thanks to Peter Welton, our producer on this episode of the Musers of the podcast. Once again, thank you for listening to this episode and the reminder. All our former episodes, they're still out there. They're not really former episodes. I guess they still are episodes.
Craig
Right?
George
Get caught up.
Gordon
Yeah, get caught up on the Musers of the podcast.
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Date: December 3, 2025
Hosts: George Dunham, Craig “Junior” Miller, Gordon Keith
This Thanksgiving-themed episode captures The Musers' trademark blend of absurd humor, nostalgia, and insightful banter. From dissecting the overrated status of turkey to debating classic holiday films and sharing “fart walk” science, George, Craig, and Gordon riff on family gatherings, American road trips, weird traditions, and the inevitable slide into “grandpa fashion.” Listeners get an intimate, hilarious glimpse into the trio’s holiday traditions, personal quirks, and enduring friendship.
"I had a very unusual childhood...the extended family all got together. Three, four generations...it was the greatest study in humanity ever."
—Gordon, (10:17)
"You feel like you're in 1950 driving down that road."
—Craig, (05:03)
"It's more family oriented, I think, than even Christmas."
—Craig, (08:03)
"As a kid, we would mainly just load up on a bunch of rolls."
—Gordon, (12:18)
"So the fart walk is the highly scientific term for just a walk that you take for about 10 to 15 minutes shortly after eating a big meal...”
—George reading Dr. Pasricha, (17:14)
“It's just uncomfortable for men and women to talk about farts.”
—George, (17:16)
“I collect the uncollectible.”
—Gordon, (32:03)
“Not everything shake cam...I hate that movies are that way...In Die Hard so much of things, something is just shown briefly that if you miss that scene then you don't see that that is tied in with something that's going to happen later.”
—Gordon, (41:57–43:10)
“Stop it. That's in my top five comedies of all time list.”
—Craig, (45:49)
“That we have been doing this for as long as we've been doing it and how well we've gotten along and how many laughs we still have...I was thankful for it and I thought I would thank you.”
—Gordon, (48:26)
“I think these are new sweatpants. I found them in my closet and I put them on. I was like, damn, these are comfortable. And so I'm thinking about just going full give up, man.”
—Gordon, (49:55)
On Why Thanksgiving Still Matters:
"It's an incredible family gathering day and that's more and more important to me as my kids get older...Four different generations. And it was wonderful."
—George, (07:19)
Turkey Hot Take:
“Turkey is the worst food of all time. Like, even turkeys hate that they're made of turkey because it embarrasses them.”
—Gordon, (13:44)
The ‘Fart Walk’ Recommendation:
“So the fart walk is the highly scientific term for just a walk that you take for about 10 to 15 minutes shortly after eating a big meal, like the kinds we're all going to be having tomorrow.”
—George, reading Dr. Trisha Pasricha, (17:14)
On the Decline of Family Gatherings:
"Even when I was a kid, this had a feeling like this was an older person's tradition...my grandmother's generation that came through World War II...But we all gathered at my Grandma Mary's house."
—Gordon, (10:39)
On Black Friday Buicks:
“I was going to go, you know how much it was listed for? …$995. Of course, the whole time I'm thinking, like, how is this gonna go over at home? When I pull up in this vehicle.”
—Gordon, (30:14)
Holiday Movie Disputes:
“Die Hard. Absolutely. Still holds up.”
—Gordon, (40:53)
“Stop it. That's in my top five comedies of all time list.”
—Craig on Planes, Trains and Automobiles, (45:49)
On Embracing Grandpa Fashion:
“Both of you gentlemen are looking at a guy who's wearing...sweatpants with dress shoes and who wants to own a Buick Park Avenue.”
—Gordon, (50:17)
The conversation is loose, affectionate, and mercilessly funny. The hosts don’t shy away from good-natured ribbing, unloading on traditions, each other’s quirks, and even their own aging process. Yet underneath the humor is real affection—a celebration of life’s small joys and the friendships that anchor them through every season.
Recommended for: Fans of witty, slice-of-life banter, anyone who loves Thanksgiving, and listeners nostalgic for big family gatherings and old Buicks.