The Live Show, Part 1 - Episode 49

Summary

The Musers The Podcast – The Live Show, Part 1 (Episode 49)

Date: June 24, 2026
Location: The Kessler Theater, Dallas
Hosts: George Dunham, Craig “Junior” Miller, Gordon Keith
Summary By: Podcast Summarizer GPT

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Episode Overview

This live episode marks the Musers’ first-ever stage podcast recording, celebrating the one-year anniversary of "The Musers The Podcast." Taking place at Dallas’ storied Kessler Theater, the show’s trio—George, Junior, and Gordo—mingle unscripted banter, genuine vulnerability, and a healthy dose of self-deprecating humor with live elements, musical performances, and audience interaction. The evening is both a love letter to their fans and a charity benefit, blending deep reflection on their evolving dynamic and 30+ years of DFW radio with the unpredictability of a live audience.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Reflections on the Live Show and Podcast Journey

• Nerves and Excitement About Going Live

  • The Musers joke about their uncertainty and nervousness surrounding the transition from radio to live podcasting.
    • Craig Miller (02:19): “We sold this thing out in about three hours... Gordo and I did not think we would sell out.”
    • George Dunham (02:37): “I just knew it. I worked with two superstars. I knew it would sell out...”
    • Gordon Keith (02:51): “Don’t do that. That’s creepy.”
  • The trio openly discuss anxiety about the stage format versus their usual environments.
    • Craig Miller (12:23): “It’s made me very anxious and antsy. We’re out of our element.”

• Difference Between Radio and Podcast

  • Podcasts allow more relaxation, authenticity, and vulnerability compared to the structured, hurried pace of radio.
    • Craig Miller (05:49): “The radio show is very intense... But the podcast has been so different... much more laid back... We felt oddly more vulnerable.”
    • Gordon Keith (06:20): “I don’t know why we treated it like sodium pentothal or something, but we just started telling personal stories because it didn’t seem like we were on the air.”
  • The Musers note the increased depth of personal sharing the podcast format inspires (06:47–07:24).

• Physical Setup and Chemistry

  • They talk about how just sitting differently (facing each other closely, less formal) changes their interactions.
    • George Dunham (07:24): “For 32 years, I’ve never really looked at you.”

2. Charity Focus

• The event is a fundraiser for “At Last: The Urban Boarding Experience,” a boarding house and tutoring program for at-risk youth in South Dallas.
  • Craig Miller (03:17): “Kids have already earned college scholarships. It’s just a wonderful cause. So your money tonight is going to that great cause.”

3. Personal Vulnerability and Storytelling

• Sharing Emotional Moments

  • The hosts openly discuss moments of vulnerability and even crying on the podcast.
    • Gordon Keith (06:47): “Has someone kept count of how many times we’ve cried on the podcast?”
  • They value the podcast as a therapeutic, “couch session” atmosphere.

• Favorite Podcast Moments

  • George Dunham (08:31): Recalls a prank from early in their working relationship, deepening the bond between George and Gordo.
  • Craig Miller (10:09): Favors the early trilogy of episodes where the trio interviewed each other about their relationships.
    • Craig (10:23): “I think we peaked very early. It’s been downhill since.”

4. Live Performance and Stage Fright

• Stand-Up Bombs and Live Gigs

  • The Musers share stories of bombing at public events, with Gordon recounting a disastrous appearance at the Dallas Zoo.
    • Gordon Keith (16:06): “I did some jokes at the zoo and nothing. I mean, nothing... The only laughter I got... one hyena laugh.”
  • George speaks about band gigs where his most heartfelt songs met with indifference or were misinterpreted by the audience.
    • George Dunham (17:20): “...played Thought it Was Yous... about my late father... and there were like three couples... making out right in front of us.”
    • Gordon (17:27, riffing): “You’re talking about lowering him into the grave and you’re watching this guy’s gross lizard tongue...”

• Notable Backstage Anecdotes

  • Craig Miller (19:23): Recalls his most nerve-wracking public speaking: a Q&A at the George W. Bush Center with Clayton Kershaw while the former President attended.

5. Phobia Discussion (23:33–33:13)

• They riff on common and bizarre phobias, making each other and the crowd laugh while revealing personal anxieties:
  • Fear of public speaking (glossophobia)
    • Craig Miller (24:52): “None of us, technically, I don’t believe, have glossophobia. The fear of public speaking.”
    • Gordon Keith (24:54): “Oh yeah, I would say I do.”
  • Fear of spiders (arachnophobia) and snakes (ophidiophobia)
    • Craig Miller (26:21): “Fear of spiders is the most common phobia, even above public speaking and fear of heights.”
    • George Dunham (26:33): “Snakes freak me out.”
  • Fear of heights (acrophobia)
    • Craig Miller (27:33): “Acrophobia is the fear of heights. Do you guys have that? Yes, I have that a little bit.”
  • Fear of blood (hemophobia), flying (aerophobia), holes (trypophobia), being without your phone (nomophobia), even peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth (arachibutyrophobia).
  • Notable quote:
    • Gordon Keith (30:57): “It’s the holes that are close together... like a wasp nest... Particularly in skin, you see like holes...”
• Memorable banter:
  • Gordon (33:00): “How would anyone have a fear of a minor inconvenience like that [peanut butter on the palate]? That doesn’t make any sense.”
  • George (33:00): “Peanut butter. What a jerk.”
• The segment showcases their blend of relatable anxieties and off-the-rails, free-associative humor.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• George on the podcast audience:
  “Who’s listened to all of them at this point? Okay, 10 people raised their hands, but they were loud.” (05:31)

• Craig on their show’s tone shift to podcasting:
  “We felt oddly more vulnerable or like we could just say anything for some reason.” (05:58)

• Gordon on vulnerability:
  “We just started telling personal stories because it didn’t seem like we were on the air...” (06:20)

• Gordon, dryly summarizing their bombed gig:
  “One hyena laugh. The only laughter I got.” (16:16)

• George, after a poignant song story about his late sister:
  “If nothing else, that was just a tribute to Nancy. To Nancy.” (57:20)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamps (MM:SS) | Notes | |----------------------------------------|-----------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | The Musers’ Live Podcast Introduction | 01:26–02:00 | Kessler Theater, crowd sold out in 3 hours | | Show’s Charity/’At Last’ Urban Boarding| 03:17–03:57 | Proceeds will benefit youth education | | On the podcast vs. radio format | 05:49–06:20 | Format allows vulnerability & storytelling | | First-year highlights and vulnerabilities| 06:42–09:09 | Honest sharing, favorite moments, peer interviews | | Stories of stage fright and failing at gigs | 13:14–17:40 | Celebrity roasts, worst bombs, band stories | | Discussing public speaking and phobias | 23:33–33:13 | Fear of speaking, heights, snakes, holes, and more | | Unexplained clown bit—live show experiment | 36:55–37:44 | Gordo pitches having a silent clown onstage | | George’s heartfelt tribute song/set-up | 41:50–51:27 | Story of his late sister Nancy, song "See You Soon" | | George & Camille perform “See You Soon”| 51:27–56:18 | Live, emotional performance, audience applause | | Reflections on musical inspiration | 57:30–61:50 | Musers praise, tease each other, discuss songwriting |

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Noteworthy Moments (with Quotes)

• George’s vulnerable tribute to his late sister, song setup:
  “She showed us how to live, showed us how to die... Said the sun’s gonna shine, so will the moon. Well, this ain’t goodbye, I’m gonna see you soon.” (51:27–56:18, during live performance)
• On the struggle to balance honesty and privacy:
  Craig Miller (41:32): “Sometimes I have gone into a topic about my life and … I get halfway through and I realize I can’t.”
• On the charity success of George’s musical events:
  Gordon Keith (60:18): “How much have you raised during Jump Jam for charity now?”
  George Dunham (60:18): “We will hit $2 million next week.”

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Audience Interaction & Improvisation

• The audience was encouraged to submit questions on index cards or at a live microphone (11:04, 11:33), and the Musers riffed on the randomness and unpredictability of genuine, unscripted crowd interaction.

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Running Gags & Tones

• Affectionate teasing: “I just knew it. I just knew it.” (George) / “Don’t do that. That’s creepy.” (Gordo)
• Self-deprecating humor: Making fun of their band’s bad names, failed gigs, or lagging record sales (“...we have sold 11 albums. So yes, thank you.” – George, 42:41)
• Heartfelt appreciation: Each host credits the others for professional and personal support amid changing life and show circumstances.
• Playful absurdity: Unexplained clown, rimshot jokes, and off-beat phobia discussion.

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Closing Notes

The Musers’ first live podcast episode captured their unique combo of warmth, vulnerability, and irreverence—pairing the intimate confessional quality of the podcast with the energy and unpredictability of a theater stage. Through deeply personal stories, playful chemistry, crowd interaction, and a moving live song, they honored their legacy and their listeners, raising money and spirits in the process.

Next Episode Tease

Part two of the live show will feature Gordo reflecting on what he’s learned from George and Craig, plus audience questions and more. Releases July 8th.

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For new and old P1s alike, this episode is a vivid snapshot of why the Musers remain a Dallas radio & podcast institution—silly, sincere, and always compelling.

Transcript

[George Dunham]

Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney. Let's go get ready for a new case.

[Gordon Keith]

We're gonna crack this case and prove we're victorious partners of all time.

[George Dunham]

New friends.

[Gordon Keith]

You are Gary the Snake and your

[George Dunham]

last name, the Snake Dream team hid new habitats.

[Gordon Keith]

Zootopia has a secret reptile population.

[George Dunham]

You can watch the record breaking phenomenon at home.

[Gordon Keith]

You're clearly working at Zootopia 2.

[George Dunham]

Now available on Disney. Rated PG.

[Craig Miller]

I feel like I have no idea how to do a podcast.

[Gordon Keith]

This ain't no radio show. Say no disco either.

[George Dunham]

Are we podcasting now?

[Gordon Keith]

This is la. You just about the middle of that sentence. You podcast a little bit. It was a little bit of podcasting, but then you would switch back.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing.

[Gordon Keith]

I'm podcasting now.

[Craig Miller]

So right now we're podcasting?

[Gordon Keith]

No, not yet.

[George Dunham]

He just put us into it.

[Gordon Keith]

No, I was accidentally podcasting.

[Craig Miller]

We were for a second, but we're not now.

[Gordon Keith]

Well, we want to. We to start intentionally podcast. That was accidental. Now, now. Okay, wait, hold on. I'm count down again.

[Craig Miller]

That was a false start.

[Gordon Keith]

Three, three, two, one.

[George Dunham]

Hey, America, what's up?

[Gordon Keith]

Hold on, we gotta. There got to be some silence.

[George Dunham]

Do you want to open it?

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

Okay.

[Gordon Keith]

Yes. Three, two, one.

[George Dunham]

Welcome P1s to the historic Kessler Theater

[Gordon Keith]

and the Musers, the PODC.

[George Dunham]

Here they are, Craig Miller, George Dunham and Gordon Keith. The Musers.

[Craig Miller]

Well, thank you. Thank you very much. Welcome to the Musers, the podcast.

[George Dunham]

The live show. Yeah, yeah.

[Craig Miller]

It's the first time we've ever tried anything like this. We want to thank our sponsor for tonight, DNM Auto Leasing. They've been a part of the musers family for 30 plus years. They've been so great to us. And as soon as we said we're doing a podcast, they jumped on board immediately. So thanks to the folks at D and M Auto Leasing.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. Thank you dnm.

[Craig Miller]

And thank you to everybody here at the Kessler. We sold this thing out in about three hours a couple of weeks ago when we announced tickets were on sale and we had debate amongst the three of us. Gordo and I did not think we would sell out.

[Gordon Keith]

Correct.

[Craig Miller]

George was overconfident.

[George Dunham]

I knew. I just knew it. I just knew it.

[Gordon Keith]

I have 500 people just come to see me.

[George Dunham]

That's what George said. I worked with two superstars. I knew it would sell out. These guys are huge.

[Gordon Keith]

What a turnaround.

[George Dunham]

Don't.

[Gordon Keith]

Don't do that. That's creepy.

[Craig Miller]

So great.

[George Dunham]

That you're here tonight. Thank you for being here.

[Gordon Keith]

I don't like enthusiastic. George, just calm down.

[Craig Miller]

We were very excited, very surprised that it sold out so quickly. So we thank you all much for. For being here. And yes, yes. Give yourself a round of applause. Good job.

[George Dunham]

Good job.

[Gordon Keith]

The absolute cheapest thing in show business. Give yourselves a round of applause.

[Craig Miller]

Also tonight, we're doing this for a great cause. This evening will benefit at last, the Urban Boarding Experience. I'm sure a lot of you are familiar with that. Our good friend Randy Bowman started this many years ago. It's a boarding house for kids not too far from here in South Dallas. These kids come from at risk homes. They can't study. They can't properly do their homework during the week. So they go and they live at the Atlas campus. They're tutored there. And he's had such great success so far. They've had several graduating classes. Kids have already earned college scholarships. It's just a wonderful cause. So your money tonight is going to that great cause.

[George Dunham]

Thank you. That's great.

[Craig Miller]

And here we are at the Kessler. This theater is almost 90 years old and it couldn't be a better spot to do this. It's such a great room. It was a movie theater for a long time, and then 15 or 20 years ago, it was turned into a place to have concerts and shows and tonight a podcast and I know, George, you've hosted Jump Jam here before. This is just a great place.

[George Dunham]

I think it's the best music house in the Dallas Fort Worth area. It really is. The acoustics in here. I have no idea while we're doing a podcast here, but musically it's, It's. It's tremendous. No, it's a great place to do something like this. And yeah, it's awesome to be here. Got hit by a tornado and it burned, but it's.

[Gordon Keith]

That was still night before we got here tonight.

[George Dunham]

No, it was 1957 and 1960. It's fine now. And they've done a lot of renovations on it and it's a great place. So, yeah. Glad y' all are here.

[Gordon Keith]

Technically, that was before we got here. So, 57, I was correct and you owe me an apology.

[George Dunham]

Never.

[Craig Miller]

Hopefully tonight we don't leave you wanting less. That is something we'll try to avoid this evening. This is to celebrate our one year anniversary of doing the podcast. I can't believe that it's been a year because it feels like more like 11 months and two weeks maybe.

[George Dunham]

But it does not feel like we've

[Craig Miller]

been doing this for a year. Does it?

[George Dunham]

No, it has gone fast, I guess. We've done 40 something episodes. Who's listened to all of them at this point? Okay, 10 people raised their hands, but they were loud.

[Gordon Keith]

They were loud.

[George Dunham]

We got some work to do. But yeah, thanks for listening to the little podcast of the Musers.

[Craig Miller]

It's been very different from the radio show. It's much more relaxed. The radio show is very intense. The radio show is a bunch of 12 minute segments and you're looking at the clock and you got to worry about this live spot and this guest is coming up and so you feel a little hurried with the dialogue. But the podcast has been so different and we've all. We felt it from the get go from like the first or second episode. It was much more laid back. We felt oddly more vulnerable or like we could just say anything for some reason.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah. I don't know why we treated it like sodium pental or something, but we just started telling personal stories because it didn't seem like we were on the air. We're so used to when the mic is in front of us, we're used to being on the air and they were telling us, hey, this is not on the air. This is a podcast. You can edit out whatever you want to. So then that would lead us to start confessing to hooker murders.

[George Dunham]

We edited those out.

[Gordon Keith]

Y' all haven't heard those episodes get edited out yet.

[George Dunham]

That was an entire episode.

[Gordon Keith]

But then other times, has someone kept count of how many times we've cried on the podcast? That's a little embarrassing.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, it is.

[Gordon Keith]

But we always get shake voice and start crying and always you drive away from recording those podcasts. Always feeling like I've made a mistake whenever I've drive away thinking that I've cried and everything. But you guys always assure me, no, no, it's great, let's leave it in there. And I always think that you're of course some big jerks who are just bullying me and convincing me to go on the air with stuff that I shouldn't go on the air with.

[George Dunham]

No, your content has been amazing.

[Gordon Keith]

Thank you for knowing that.

[George Dunham]

Do you think it's because we sit differently? We have like different seating assignments when we do the podc. Like I face you for 32 years, I've never really looked at you.

[Craig Miller]

Right.

[George Dunham]

It's just, I don't know, we just focus on. And I try to avoid. But Gordo sits across from me when we do the radio show, but he sits next to me when we do the podcast, kind of like we are tonight, I don't know, it's just different. Has a different feel to it for some reason.

[Craig Miller]

It's a much smaller room, too.

[George Dunham]

Maybe that's it. Yeah, it's still boring as hell, but, I mean, it's a different seating.

[Gordon Keith]

It's a really small room, and it doesn't have very good air conditioning.

[George Dunham]

And it's hot.

[Gordon Keith]

And these zoo smells that emanate from these two from time to time. The absolute barnyard, elephantine malodorousness that comes through the studio is unbelievable. But I love these guys. I really do.

[Craig Miller]

Thanks, man.

[George Dunham]

I love.

[Gordon Keith]

Thanks, man. And glad they're here tonight.

[George Dunham]

We appreciate that. Thank you.

[Craig Miller]

Do you guys have any moments or episodes that stand out in this first year?

[Gordon Keith]

No. No, not really.

[Craig Miller]

Okay, well, I got plenty of other questions.

[George Dunham]

No, no, no, no. I do.

[Gordon Keith]

I.

[George Dunham]

And I can't remember what episode is at the very beginning when we were just, like, introducing ourselves for Those who weren't P1s, and Gordo and I have, you know, been like cats and dogs for 30 some odd years, and we told the story of a prank that was played on me, and it was really a terrible prank, and it was. It just went sideways. And they were going to play it on the air. The show after us was going to play it on the air, and I got really upset. And here I just thought Gordon didn't like me, you know, I just thought, man, this guy's got it out for me. But I found out that Gordon was the one who erased the prank, so it never aired on the station. And I thought, okay, that was a turning point in our relationship. And I'd never told that story on the air. I never. I never told you. No, that's typical, guys. And we go through this big, right. Big thing of, okay, we're friends now. And I never told him till now because I, you know, that's the way it should be. But, yeah, that stands out. And that's that whole thing about. I don't know, for some reason, when we do the podcast, I feel like I'm lying down on a couch telling you guys my innermost thoughts. And y', all, too. And.

[Gordon Keith]

And I'm straddling you while you're lying, right?

[George Dunham]

Well, yeah, you just can't see it. That's why we don't do video.

[Craig Miller]

I'm in a corner and the papa's on.

[George Dunham]

Just watching. It gets really weird.

[Gordon Keith]

Craig over there in a lazy T,

[Craig Miller]

half lit it, pull out my phone, start to record it.

[George Dunham]

Who has a bingo? Does anyone have a bingo yet? No.

[Gordon Keith]

I don't know.

[George Dunham]

Papa's. Not yet.

[Gordon Keith]

No. Okay.

[Craig Miller]

You know, I think my favorite episodes were the second, third, and fourth where George interviewed me and Gordo about our relationship, Gordo interviewed me and George about ours, and then I interviewed these two about theirs. I had so much fun.

[George Dunham]

I did, too.

[Craig Miller]

Either interviewing you guys or being a part of that interview. Those were still. I think we peaked very early.

[George Dunham]

Right.

[Craig Miller]

It's been downhill since. But I love those three episodes.

[Gordon Keith]

And Craig has had a problem with peaking very early his whole adult life.

[George Dunham]

Now, that was fun because we've talked about all these stories through the years. But, you know, where did this, where did it start? Have we ever told you how we met in college?

[Craig Miller]

It's a great story.

[Gordon Keith]

Seriously, don't start it.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, it's fun to go back to

[Gordon Keith]

the most boring story ever. And I've been tortured by it for 30 years.

[George Dunham]

It really was his English and he was on one side of the room.

[Gordon Keith]

Please don't go forward with this.

[Craig Miller]

Well, it is our one year anniversary and we're very excited about this show. We've also been a little nervous because we've never done anything like this. We're going to hear from you all as the evening goes along as well. We're going to have an open mic for Q and A. And you may have noticed there are index cards and sharpies on every row. If you have any questions, jot them down. And here in just a few minutes, we'll come down the aisles and we'll pick those up and we'll go through and we'll answer some of those.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, this guy picked it up immediately. He knows exactly.

[George Dunham]

Okay, now he knows.

[Craig Miller]

Ask us anything. Write down anything. Or if you prefer, later in the show, you can walk up to the microphone and ask us anything. But we were thinking about this the other day. We have never done anything even remotely like this because we've done our radio show on remote. But sometimes there are five people sitting there and you're doing the radio show. So you're, you're in that thing that you know so well. We've done the podcast for a year. You guys have been musicians. You've been on stage doing, you know, concerts, big concerts, very small ones. But yeah, but we have never been responsible, the three of us, for a 90 minute or two hour live show on stage. And I don't know how you all have felt about it this week, but it's made me very anxious and antsy. I know, because we're out of our element.

[George Dunham]

You've been nervous about it, but two things. I have not been that nervous about it. And it really is because you guys, I know I'm doing a show with you guys, so I know you'll carry me. And I'm like four drinks in, so what do I care?

[Gordon Keith]

George started pregaming before soundcheck today at 5:30. And that always is good for George. You always do well with a few drinks in you.

[George Dunham]

Couple of drinks knocks. Yeah, knocks the edge off. And I'll probably say some really shocking things tonight.

[Gordon Keith]

Well, let's. Let's hear one of those now, George. What you going to say?

[George Dunham]

Not yet. Not yet.

[Gordon Keith]

Come on, say something. Who wants to hear George cuss?

[George Dunham]

I'm not going to do cheap cussing tonight. You are not going to hear cheap cussing from me tonight.

[Gordon Keith]

You're just so disappointed.

[Craig Miller]

I do remember we did a roast for the now late Tom Hicks, the former owner of the Rangers and the Stars.

[Gordon Keith]

Tom Hicks died. Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

About maybe a year ago.

[George Dunham]

This is our newsman on the radio show.

[Gordon Keith]

It goes 20 minutes of things I was going to do about Tom Hicks.

[Craig Miller]

And we were nervous before that because we had. We had to go up there for 10 or 15 minutes and roast him. And I do remember you having a couple of adult beverages and said, what

[George Dunham]

are you nervous about?

[Craig Miller]

It was the first time I'd seen you drink before a public speaking engagement. And I thought, wow, if I did that, I would be a disaster. But you do operate better with a lot of alcohol in your system.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. Yeah. For some reason, I kind of run on alcohol. That's really not a good thing. But we'll see how it works out tonight. And we just had the cheap prop that night. We had a P1 by the name of Amit, who was our rim shot guy. He had a. He had a snare drum shot.

[Gordon Keith]

Is that what you said?

[George Dunham]

Yes.

[Gordon Keith]

Okay, Gotcha.

[George Dunham]

Yes. And get a symbol and everything. And we were hits.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

Because he made every joke funny, even if it was a bad joke. We got a rim shot.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, we did fine.

[Gordon Keith]

I thought that was the one that y' all failed at. What was the roast or some event that y' all went up there? It was. Oh, that's.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. You may be thinking of the Lanny Watkins. Yeah.

[Gordon Keith]

Incident.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. We were called out to a golf tournament and we were supposed to be the entertainment at the end of the golf tournament. These guys have been out in the heat for six hours.

[Craig Miller]

It's the awards dinner.

[George Dunham]

The Awards dinner. And they say, and now from the ticket, here's Dunham and Miller. We've been on the air, I don't know, two weeks. No one knew who we were.

[Craig Miller]

No.

[George Dunham]

And so he did his Barry Switzer. I did, I don't know, a Jimmy Johnson impersonation. Nobody laughed, including Lanny Watkins, who was on like the front row just going.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah, that's the biggest we've ever bombed for sure.

[George Dunham]

Until tonight. That was the biggest one.

[Craig Miller]

Have you guys had any engagements where you did bomb or where even going into it if you did well, that you were overly nervous?

[Gordon Keith]

I'd say half of them, I fail.

[George Dunham]

Really?

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, yeah. There was one I remember doing at the Dallas Zoo for a friend of ours that asked me to be at the speaker. That's the thing, is that people always get confused. They hear we do a radio show, and I think that means that you are a seasoned standup comic. And so they'll say, you know, you'll show up and you think that you're there just to speak for five minutes. Welcome everybody, and, you know, tell them where the punch bowl is kind of thing. And. And then you'll meet the girl. Are you okay? George Dunham?

[George Dunham]

Okay, good.

[Gordon Keith]

Okay, good.

[George Dunham]

Well, I'm glad you got me down for two minutes.

[Gordon Keith]

No, you will bring you up and then you'll do about 40, 45 minutes of stand up. And then stand up. Like 45 minutes.

[George Dunham]

Like an HBO special right in front of the giraffes.

[Craig Miller]

Ye.

[Gordon Keith]

That's what you want me to do? Okay, so I did some jokes at the zoo and nothing. I mean nothing.

[George Dunham]

Not even from the giraffes.

[Gordon Keith]

They didn't even laugh in the very back. You heard one hyena laugh. The only laughter I got, it was so painful. And my friend who had asked me to do this was very non talkative with me after the event. It was like the cringiest thing ever.

[George Dunham]

Like, just do what a mistake.

[Gordon Keith]

Knew that it was something that should never be spoken of again.

[George Dunham]

It was like. Like we didn't happen.

[Gordon Keith]

Just pretend it didn't happen.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, I guess with the band, we've had some gigs where you're thinking, okay, we're gonna play this place, we're opening for this person. And that doesn't really mean much of anything. We've played in front of two people and three people and, you know, you get a smattering of applause. And when you do play, like a really meaningful song. I remember one time we opened for. I think it was Casey Donahue and There was a decent crowd, but we played Thought it Was yous, which is a song I wrote about my late father. And there were like three couples, two stepping, making out right in front of us. It's like, what are we doing up here?

[Gordon Keith]

You're talking about lowering him into the grave and you're watching this guy's gross lizard tongue working in this woman's mouth.

[George Dunham]

They just saw,

[Gordon Keith]

for some reason, tasting her old nachos that she ate.

[George Dunham]

They thought it was a real kicking song. You know, I'm up here bleeding my heart and they're just out there. Yeah, baby. Holy crap, baby.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, holy crap, baby. I hope you washed up down there

[George Dunham]

because we're gonna get busy.

[Gordon Keith]

In the back of your versa.

[George Dunham]

How do you do that?

[Gordon Keith]

What?

[George Dunham]

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[Gordon Keith]

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[Craig Miller]

I usually don't get nervous. Like I've never been nervous doing the radio show. If we have any, you know, we're on remote. We're ticket stock, our big annual listener event. We're up on stage. It doesn't make me nervous, but public speaking does make me. I don't hate it, but I get a little anxious and I had that engagement about two months ago at the George W. Bush center. Where they invited me to host a q and A with Clayton Kershaw, the Dodgers soon to be hall of Fame pitcher and his wife. And I said, sure, that sounds great. Clayton Kershaw, that'd be awesome. And that's all they told me. And so I got there that evening about two hours before, and they're taking me through. We're gonna do this little run through. Okay, here's what you'll do. You'll sit here. The Kershaws will sit here. President Bush and Laura will be right here. And I went, whoa, whoa. What? They're going to be here? Yeah, yeah. They attend all of these. And by the way, the Bush center and the Game Changers exhibit is a big sponsor of this podcast.

[George Dunham]

Thank you very much for that.

[Craig Miller]

Got to go through that exhibit.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, it's great.

[George Dunham]

Thank you for the applause.

[Gordon Keith]

Who's that?

[Craig Miller]

Oh, was that your George W. That

[George Dunham]

was my Ronald Reagan.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh.

[Craig Miller]

But I remember as soon as he said that, I just got, you know, my stomach felt weird and I started perspiring and, like, diarrhea.

[Gordon Keith]

Weird.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah, yeah. And so I was a nervous wreck for the next two hours. And once we got out there on stage and they were, you know, the audience, you couldn't see them. They were very darkly lit. So I had no idea if. If the President's reacting to any of my. What I thought were funny lines. And he came backstage also and talked to us beforehand. So it was all. The whole thing was just surreal. And I do remember settling down at some point, but also I remember that I was perspiring so heavily, but I knew everyone was looking at me, and I didn't know.

[Gordon Keith]

Look like you're coming down from a coke binge.

[Craig Miller]

You know, I don't know.

[George Dunham]

Cards on your face.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah. How do you do that without looking ridiculous and nervous? And I just had to wait till they were talking and sneak. Something like that.

[George Dunham]

But you nailed it.

[Craig Miller]

I did. I did okay. I did Okay.

[Gordon Keith]

I give it a grade. One from one to three giraffes. What do you.

[George Dunham]

What do you grade on the zoo comedy?

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

Scale?

[Craig Miller]

I'd say I. Three and a half giraffes.

[Gordon Keith]

Three and a half giraffes. Okay. That's pretty good.

[Craig Miller]

That's better.

[George Dunham]

Going pretty good at the zoo president.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

But that's the most nervous I've ever been in my life about anything until this. I've been very nervous about just how to do a stage show and how the. What the reaction would be like. So, you know, I think we're off to an okay start.

[George Dunham]

We're among friends. We're among friends here tonight.

[Gordon Keith]

Friendly crowd.

[George Dunham]

You know where I got shake Voice? It was rather recently. I don't know if you saw, I was on the front page of the Dallas Morning News recently.

[Gordon Keith]

I knew he was going to bring that up. You were going to bring it up.

[George Dunham]

I was. And I was trying to stand up for my friend who runs the Barton store.

[Gordon Keith]

You were trying to get more toilets in your hometown to service you.

[George Dunham]

No, it wasn't about me. But when I spoke twice at the town council meeting, I got about five seconds in and realized, oh, shit, I have shake voice. Yeah, there's something different about. Yes, there's something different about talking to a town council, because I thought I was before the Lords of Bartonville or something, and it was just. I had shake voice the whole time. It's online if you want to watch it.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, I gotta hear this.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, it's terrible.

[Gordon Keith]

This is great.

[George Dunham]

You love it when I fail.

[Gordon Keith]

I do. I do love that. But, yeah, I still get shake voice all the time. You know when I was always the most nervous and I still will be if I'm in some place that I'm going that I have to ask a question or speak, you know, it's not like some event like this or like the ticket, and I'm about to just ask a question, like just an informational question, and waiting for my turn to ask that. I get just as nervous now as I did when I was in fifth grade, having to raise money.

[George Dunham]

There's something about that, like at the Super Bowl.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah. Yes. Feels the exact same to me. Waiting your turn and then having to ask a question and then knowing everybody's gonna be eyes on you and hearing you. Bono, I asked a question.

[George Dunham]

Oh, my gosh.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

Well, that's understandable. Shake voice, if you're.

[Gordon Keith]

I didn't have shake voice with Bono. I thought that this guy was a joke.

[George Dunham]

Don't fall for it. Just act like you didn't say it.

[Gordon Keith]

I'm not. You just. You guys overrate YouTube just a little bit. No. Do we overrate? Thank you.

[George Dunham]

One guy.

[Gordon Keith]

Thank you.

[George Dunham]

Two guys.

[Gordon Keith]

Look at the courage there. Look at the courage There we go.

[Craig Miller]

YouTube shirt.

[George Dunham]

Just randomly wears a U2 shirt.

[Gordon Keith]

Pulled that out of a thrift store.

[George Dunham]

Gordo says they didn't survive the 80s. Sir, take your shirt off.

[Gordon Keith]

Barely. Barely survived.

[Craig Miller]

Hey, there are two. Two things we do not overrate. You two and Danny White.

[George Dunham]

Damn right. That's right.

[Gordon Keith]

Two strangest defense lines. You guys have

[Craig Miller]

okay, so you get a little anxiety asking questions, or. I do. On a stage show. But none of us, technically, I don't believe. Have glossophobia. The fear of public speaking.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, yeah, I would say I do.

[Craig Miller]

Do you?

[George Dunham]

Yeah, I guess.

[Gordon Keith]

So.

[George Dunham]

That town council thing, it was like, oh, my God, I can't talk.

[Gordon Keith]

Is it a matter of degree? Like, when does it become, like, a real phobia versus just, like, everyone's kind of nervous speaking.

[Craig Miller]

Maybe it's a real phobia when it starts to negatively impact your life if you're handling it. If you're a healthy glossophobian, then maybe you're. Maybe then it's not.

[Gordon Keith]

That's going to be my bio on Tinder before the end of the night. Healthy glossophobia.

[George Dunham]

I do remember that as a kid. The book report was by far the worst thing you could ever do.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, man.

[George Dunham]

Get up in front of the class.

[Gordon Keith]

You ever have the shake hand?

[George Dunham]

With the shake hand, you can't stop it?

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, totally. I was gonna say Michael J. Fox, but we'll edit that out.

[George Dunham]

Oh, man. What?

[Gordon Keith]

We'll edit that out.

[George Dunham]

I wonder how long it would take for him to get. Get booed.

[Gordon Keith]

And we're like, that's bad karma.

[George Dunham]

Fifteen minutes in. Jeez.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah. Since we are recording a podcast, we can edit things out. So if you hear something you think shouldn't make the cut, write it.

[George Dunham]

Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

Index card. And give it to us.

[Gordon Keith]

Give us notes. We're taking notes.

[George Dunham]

We got no cards here tonight.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

Help us out.

[Craig Miller]

Okay. I've got some other phobias. You guys tell me if you have these, okay? Arachnophobia. That's the fear of spiders.

[George Dunham]

Not really. I mean, no.

[Gordon Keith]

I have a healthy respect for spiders. I don't invite them into my mouth while I sleep or anything.

[George Dunham]

Right.

[Gordon Keith]

I don't think people.

[George Dunham]

I have snake. A phobia.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah. That's the second most common. The fear of spiders is the most common phobia, even above public speaking and fear of heights. Wow. Spiders is number one. Snakes is number two. I don't fear either.

[Gordon Keith]

I fear snakes more than I fear spiders.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, snakes freak me out.

[Gordon Keith]

Snakes actually creep me out. Spider just feels, like, so, so tiny next to you. Whereas a snake just feels more capable.

[George Dunham]

Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

If I knew the snake would not bite me and kill me, then I'd have no problem holding it. So I don't. I'm not scared. I'm only scared that they're gonna murder me.

[George Dunham]

Yeah.

[Gordon Keith]

I don't think a snake can murder You. It can kill you. But I don't know.

[Craig Miller]

I don't know intent.

[George Dunham]

How is that not murder? And they treat him like a murder suspect. They kill the animal every time they kill a human.

[Gordon Keith]

I don't think that they kill every animal that kills a human. I don't think that's.

[George Dunham]

I don't know about that. I know some bears and gators that have taken it to shorts because they took somebody out.

[Gordon Keith]

Some bears. Bears and gators do experience frontier coyotes.

[George Dunham]

Look how we treat. And they didn't even kill someone. They just bit some kid.

[Gordon Keith]

Right. We're looking for any excuse to blow coyotes away.

[Craig Miller]

Acrophobia is the fear of heights. Do you guys have that? Yes, I have that a little bit.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. I can't do roller coasters. Can't look out over, like a, you know, high rise or something, like if

[Craig Miller]

you're on the hundredth floor.

[George Dunham]

Ah, no way.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah, I don't like getting close to the edge there either. I get the willies.

[Gordon Keith]

I'm a little nervous about that.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah, but you guys both did a dance on the edge of the Grand Canyon.

[George Dunham]

He almost killed me.

[Gordon Keith]

That was an accident. Accidental dance. No, that was. We were just goofing around, and he was. I was funny. It was a funny.

[George Dunham]

I was treating the canyon that we're a mile high funny prank. I was treating it with respect.

[Gordon Keith]

I was entertaining Jesus and all the angels. Everyone loved that gag. No, it was icy out there, and we were near the edge. And so I just thought it'd be funny to try to throw George over the edge.

[George Dunham]

And he did that shoulder push. You know, where he grips your shoulders and.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

And so I reached around and grabbed him by the shirt.

[Gordon Keith]

Yes. And he almost threw me off. Over the edge.

[George Dunham]

If I'm going, this Mother Hubbard's going with me.

[Gordon Keith]

But. But I wasn't. But when we were standing there 10ft away from the edge, let's say nobody was scared of that. Were you?

[Craig Miller]

No, I was.

[George Dunham]

I thought I was going to slip and go. That's why I grabbed you. Yes.

[Gordon Keith]

Then after I. I was going to

[George Dunham]

punch you all the way down, too. So, Nolan Ryan, as you once said,

[Craig Miller]

so, George, your last act on this earth would be murder.

[George Dunham]

Yeah.

[Gordon Keith]

Yes.

[George Dunham]

I think God would understand.

[Gordon Keith]

No, he would.

[George Dunham]

That son of a bitch had it coming. I don't blame you.

[Gordon Keith]

Don't call God a son of a bitch.

[George Dunham]

He's calling you. Oh, son of a gun.

[Craig Miller]

Do you guys have hemophobia?

[Gordon Keith]

The fear of blood.

[Craig Miller]

The fear of blood.

[Gordon Keith]

No. I have someone in my family, who has that? And it's very, very serious. Like, they just. They get that lightheadedness. Just seeing it makes them very lightheaded.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. I have a son who can't see his own blood or he passes out. Vaccine. What?

[Craig Miller]

What happened?

[Gordon Keith]

Wait, hold on.

[George Dunham]

What's it called? Vasilvagal. Thank you.

[Craig Miller]

Okay.

[George Dunham]

My wife's here tonight, by the way, for the bailout. Thank you, sweetheart. So much smarter than I am.

[Craig Miller]

What about aerophobia, the fear of flying?

[George Dunham]

You've got that.

[Craig Miller]

I have adult onset aerophobia. As a kid, teenager, even young adult, I didn't care at all. I never thought about it. But now I have kind of a fear where once we take off, I'm fine, but on takeoff, I need the windows open. I need to see if something's happening bad. Windows open so I can run up and tell the. Yeah, not the windows wide open.

[Gordon Keith]

Clarify.

[Craig Miller]

I need to see if we're off balance so that I can alert the pilot to level us out.

[George Dunham]

That's not gonna help. So takeoff's worse than landing?

[Craig Miller]

Yeah, way worse. Because landing, I feel like it's almost over. Thank God we're almost there.

[Gordon Keith]

But yet it's more dangerous. Landing is much more dangerous than take off.

[Craig Miller]

Okay, this is an unusual one, but it's more common than you think. It's trypophobia, the fear of holes.

[George Dunham]

Holes?

[Gordon Keith]

Yes. I didn't have that in my 20s, I'll tell you that.

[George Dunham]

Gosh. Just hanging out there.

[Gordon Keith]

No, that. That's like the holes that are kind of close together. Like a wasp nest kind of look, you know, that kind of close together, Particularly in skin, you see like holes. It goes back to, I guess, infection and disease and things like that.

[Craig Miller]

It's not a fear of stepping in a hole in the ground.

[Gordon Keith]

No, no, no, no.

[George Dunham]

I never heard of that.

[Gordon Keith]

It's the holes that are close together and. And I'm probably butchering the explanation for this.

[George Dunham]

Okay, Gordon, we'll come back and see you tomorrow. Yeah, that sounds good.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah. Hey, guys. It's are all close together. Yeah.

[George Dunham]

It's good to see you.

[Gordon Keith]

Hey, y' all gotta watch this. He's bringing a. What's he talking about?

[Craig Miller]

Have some ice chips.

[George Dunham]

I'll be right back.

[Gordon Keith]

Stay and visit longer. The doctors beat me.

[George Dunham]

We'll be back next week.

[Craig Miller]

They're mean to me.

[Gordon Keith]

Here they are.

[George Dunham]

Oh, gosh.

[Craig Miller]

What about nomophobia? That is the fear of being without your phone.

[Gordon Keith]

Why is it phonophobia then?

[Craig Miller]

I don't know.

[Gordon Keith]

I guess maybe that was taken yeah.

[George Dunham]

No, not really.

[Craig Miller]

I. I think my wife, who is also here tonight, I think she has this. I think she's afraid of being more than five feet, even though she loses it all the time.

[George Dunham]

Tell me about it.

[Craig Miller]

I. She's always got to know where her phone is and be close to it, and I'm the opposite. I love to be away from my phone for hours if I can.

[George Dunham]

I'm getting to be that way, too.

[Craig Miller]

Here's a weird one. How about Omph o lobia, the fear of belly buttons? What?

[George Dunham]

Never heard of it? No, don't fear belly buttons.

[Craig Miller]

No, I don't have that.

[Gordon Keith]

How about belly buttons? That's so strange.

[Craig Miller]

Aracha. But you could have prepped a little

[Gordon Keith]

bit on the pronunciations.

[George Dunham]

We went to North Texas. Okay. So just stay with us. Just hang on.

[Craig Miller]

That is the. This is the weirdest one I found. That is the fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of your mouth.

[George Dunham]

I think we've all had that at some point.

[Gordon Keith]

How would anyone have a fear of a minor inconvenience like that? That doesn't make any sense.

[George Dunham]

Have you ever had that? It's hard to get off the roof of your mouth. Peanut butter. What a jerk. You know what I mean?

[Gordon Keith]

Say it again. No.

[George Dunham]

Come on, because now I'm nervous. You made me nervous.

[Craig Miller]

All right, well, that's a little phobia talk to get the evening going. I think if we do have fear of public speaking. We're working on that and working through it tonight.

[George Dunham]

Yeah, it's.

[Gordon Keith]

It's strange that you say that you have a fear of public speaking. Which one of you said you had it more?

[Craig Miller]

I think he has it more.

[George Dunham]

I think he does.

[Craig Miller]

No, I think you said you have it more than the three of us.

[Gordon Keith]

I definitely have it more than the two of you.

[Craig Miller]

I have a healthy fear of it.

[George Dunham]

It.

[Gordon Keith]

But I know that. What does that mean?

[Craig Miller]

I don't know.

[George Dunham]

Sounds good.

[Gordon Keith]

Because when I first. I have a very different experience than you two guys because y' all went to college together and endured a lot of boring meeting stories back in that time. And I joined after we started at the radio station. So when I started listening to you guys, it was as a listener. I wasn't in the room with you at the time. And I was amazed at how smooth the two of you were together and how I had this feeling like, is this scripted? Because they don't seem to step on each other's lines, and one talks and then the other one talks and the other one comes back in with a funny line and the other one has another funny line off of that, and then they move to the next topic and it just flowed so well. So I thought these were the two smoothest broadcasters ever heard who seemed to have zero fear of ever talking.

[George Dunham]

Man, we were scared to death, I'd say, the first two years of the show. I know I was. I don't know, I was kind of out of my element. I didn't think we were gonna do a talk show together. I thought. I just thought we were gonna do updates if we got lucky, play by play. I never saw myself, and really still don't as a talk show host, but

[Craig Miller]

now I get to use this. George, I was never scared because I knew I had. You never scared.

[Gordon Keith]

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[George Dunham]

Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink?

[Gordon Keith]

Or a sweet vanilla smooth caramel, maybe?

[George Dunham]

Or white chocolate mocha?

[Gordon Keith]

Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits.

[George Dunham]

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[Craig Miller]

No, I don't think I was ever really that scared when we started. I mean, I was, you know, worried. I wanted to do a good show and all that, but I don't think I've ever been nervous doing radio. I'm just nervous doing things like this.

[Gordon Keith]

So you were more nervous for this show here at the Castle?

[George Dunham]

I think he was. It's the most nervous I've ever seen.

[Gordon Keith]

The first show on the radio station by a mile.

[Craig Miller]

Not even close. Not even close.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. Here, take a sip of this. It'll calm your nerves a little.

[Craig Miller]

No, no, no, I'm good.

[Gordon Keith]

I'm good.

[George Dunham]

Well, okay. Well, we're among friends here tonight, right? So there's no fear. There's no fear. I do want to clear the air on a couple things about tonight. I guess we were all a little bit nervous about it because we did have some meetings and talking about what we were going to do here tonight. And thank you again for being here just to listen to us talk and yak and go on about whatever again, chief. Applause. Thank you so much. But we started talking about, okay, we need some entertainment elements here. And we had the idea crowdsource this. See what you think. Like, what if we were sitting here right now and there was a clown in full makeup sitting on the couch, and we were going to call him the unexplained clown.

[Gordon Keith]

Unexplained clown.

[George Dunham]

And he was just going to sit there and occasionally, you know, maybe read a magazine or something or smoke a fake cigarette. Would that have been distracting to you as an audience? Would that have been a fail? Or would you think, hey, that's kind of funny. It's kind of like Letterman. There's a clown in the background. Failure. Okay, well, that was my idea.

[Craig Miller]

So I think

[Gordon Keith]

genius. So you got a genius there.

[George Dunham]

Okay.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

I'm sure some people would have loved it, some not loved it, but I think the smattering of laughter gives us our answer.

[Gordon Keith]

It's a performance piece. I still believe in unexplained clown.

[George Dunham]

I do too.

[Gordon Keith]

I believe unexplained clown will one day.

[Craig Miller]

So next. Next live show will have unexplained clown.

[George Dunham]

Yes.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah.

[Gordon Keith]

Yes. Okay, so there's something to look forward to.

[George Dunham]

We got two couches. Maybe we could have three on each side. Six unexplained clouds.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah. Who wants to be an unexplained clown? Who wants. You want to sit up there? Here, Sit up there. You can sit on the couch. Bring your. Bring your husband. Get up there. Is that your husband?

[George Dunham]

Okay. A clown simulation. That's your brother.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, it's your husband. Okay, good.

[George Dunham]

Okay. Yeah.

[Gordon Keith]

I thought it was your brother that you were making that one. If I want to sit on the couch, you can. You're not clowns. But you do have sparkles in your hair.

[George Dunham]

Looky there.

[Gordon Keith]

I do.

[George Dunham]

Okay. They got a little upgrade there.

[Gordon Keith]

Look at that.

[George Dunham]

Upgrade.

[Gordon Keith]

That's what I do for you.

[Craig Miller]

What if we have five clowns on one side, five on the other, and then they play a basketball game?

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, there you go.

[George Dunham]

No idea is a bad idea. There you go. The comfy couch.

[Gordon Keith]

They're on the comfy couch.

[George Dunham]

So we wanted to explain that. I also mentioned that my wife is here tonight, and for those who listen to the podcast and for those who listen to the radio show, she is the topic of a lot of really cheap jokes on my part, and I just want to publicly apologize to you, and it's just, you're the best thing that's ever happened to me. I would not have made it through college I would not have had three wonderful boys. And now we have three daughter in laws and we have grandkids. And it's because of that sweet woman right up there. So she puts up with all this nonsense and only about 80% of it's true. So yeah, I make up some stuff from time to time, but she's great. And it's interesting when we've done the podcast, I've talked a little bit about it and I've talked about it on our show and maybe some of you are a little worn out when we go into music talk. If you're an anti U2 person or how many Texas country fans we have here tonight. Okay. Yeah, Decent. There's something to the Texas music scene. Well, I started writing music like 20 years ago as kind of a coping mechanism and, and that's what the podcast has kind of been for me. You've probably been able to tell, you know, we've talked about some tough things, losing people. It could have been 20 years ago, could have been two years ago, and it really has been therapeutic. And I would like to thank these guys for putting up with me on the radio show because I never really know how it's going. We always want to share something that's interesting. Sometimes we want to peel back the curtain a little bit and these guys put up with me sometimes because I turn into kind of a blubbering idiot. But no, we talk about. I think that's one thing about our radio show. Over 32 years that we've taken to the podcast and it's always a question, how much do you want to tell about your life? Whether it's becoming a father, whether it's about losing someone. We've all talked about losing our parents and that's. I don't know if it's nerves, but I always get shake voice and I start kind of down that road and I'm like, oh God, here I go again. And I said I wasn't going to do it. But I think that's one element that I think we have brought to the podcast that I've enjoyed is hearing stories about our lives, because I think that's what people want to hear. Hopefully you're going well. Not hopefully you're going through sad things like we are. I want you to be as miserable as we are. Odd points, but hopefully you get the references. Whether it's good or bad, you know, about our, our private lives.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah. And it's. I think sometimes it's hard to know what to open up about and what not to open up about and how you will react when talking about that. Yeah, sometimes I have gone into a topic about my life and. Okay, yeah, I think I can handle this. And I get halfway through and I realize I can't.

[George Dunham]

Right.

[Gordon Keith]

So. Yeah.

[Craig Miller]

And then you're on live radio or. But yeah, I enjoyed the behind the scenes stuff, the stories like that, you know, as much or more than I enjoy the hot sports opinions.

[George Dunham]

Absolutely.

[Craig Miller]

And, you know, the things that are the other part of our job.

[George Dunham]

Yeah. I really don't care if the Cowboys win another Super Bowl. I mean, I want them to, but that's not as important to me as what happens to my kids or my grandkids or these guys or my family. But I did want to bring it up because I brought some of it to the radio show and I brought some of it to the podcast. Would you like to hear a story about a song? Okay, that's good. Well, the Bird Dogs have now put out. That's my little band. We've now put out four records. And that's news to most of you because we just put out our latest one in. Gosh, I guess it was March or. See, I didn't. I don't even know when it came out. And we put it on vinyl and everything. And so far we have sold 11 albums, so. Yes. Thank you.

[Gordon Keith]

How many did you press?

[George Dunham]

300.

[Gordon Keith]

Gordon, you pressed 300 and you sold 11?

[George Dunham]

Yeah.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, I'm good for buying 10.

[George Dunham]

You got 10?

[Gordon Keith]

I'm buying 10 right now.

[George Dunham]

I should have brought them here tonight. That may have helped sales.

[Gordon Keith]

Right there. Another one.

[George Dunham]

Right.

[Gordon Keith]

Thank you.

[George Dunham]

You. We're going to get it to where you can order it online somehow?

[Gordon Keith]

Eventually.

[George Dunham]

Eventually, yeah.

[Craig Miller]

Does that mean that soon we'll see kids in third world countries walking around

[Gordon Keith]

holding bird dogs wearing a U2 shirt,

[Craig Miller]

wearing one of these shirts,

[George Dunham]

the ones we didn't sell at the Kessler that night or in Ethiopia. No. So every album has its theme, and this last theme was actually about loss. And I tried to tell the story on the air, but it's weird sometimes with my music. And I've talked about it before, it's very personal and there's a story behind it. I can rarely get through it. But tonight I'm good. I promise you, I'm good. And I want you to hear this story because I think it has an ending to it. I think it has. I don't know, I think God intervention in it. I really do. If you listen to our radio show, you know, I'm the Youngest of five. And I've lost two siblings in the last couple years. And my sister Nancy passed away in 2024. My brother. I'm sorry, 2020? Yeah, 2023. And then Tad passed away in 2024. And I made this record just thinking, okay, I've got a lot of things to say about them. And wrote a song about my brother. I can still find it. Talking about all the times that, you know, we played music together. He was kind of my co writer. He co wrote about eight bird dog songs or so. And then my sister Nancy, she was a dairy farmer. She was the brightest of all of us. She was top of her class at San Antonio MacArthur. And how weird is it that my brothers and sisters went to San Antonio MacArthur while a guy we used to work with, Norm Hitchkiss, was a teacher there.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, isn't that wild?

[Craig Miller]

Crazy.

[George Dunham]

So my sister was there. It's like lost, Craig.

[Craig Miller]

It is. I was thinking that.

[George Dunham]

Not like lost. So we moved my. My sister's senior year, we moved to Minneapolis. And think about what a cruel thing that is for a teenager. I think she was going to be valedictorian, but they didn't take her grades in Minnesota. They thought she had Texas education. So she didn't get to be the valedictorian. And she was the smartest kid in the school, there's no doubt about it. And she went to Iowa State to be a veterinarian. And then she met a guy named Chris who was a son of a dairy farmer, and he wanted to be a dairy farmer and went there for ag education. And they fell in love and got married. And my sister never went on to be a vet, but she had this incredible life on a dairy farm in northeast Iowa. I don't know if anyone's ever been to northeast Iowa. It's a beautiful place. Rolling hills, and the topography there is just beautiful. And she had this wonderful life. She really did. She could cook, she could farm, she could do anything. She could work on engines. She was strong. She was the best of all of us. Whatever personality traits that we have that we think are good ones, Nancy had it and she got sick. And my wife and I went up to see her in the spring. And it was. You think of meaningful trips that you take. It was the most meaningful trip I think that I've ever taken because I went there knowing it'd be the last time that I would see her. And sure enough, she passed a few months later. But the time we had together, we talked about things we never talked about. Before, you know, memories going through old yearbooks. She was showing me things at Iowa State that I'd never seen. San Antonio MacArthur that I'd never seen. And my wife cooked food, and we stored it in the freezer. And it was just this awesome visit, and it was time for us to leave. It was that awkward thing, you know, you've had all this time, and what do you say? And I couldn't say anything, but my sweet, intelligent sister said, I'll see you soon. And so we hugged, went about her way, and a couple months later, she passed. Unfortunately, or fortunately, this is one God thing. She passed on my birthday, which I know for some of you may think, wow, that's kind of a downer, man. I think that was. I think she held on till the 28th. That's what I think. I could be wrong, could be a total coincidence. I don't know. Yeah. So it's kind of cool. So I promise this is an uplifting story. This is going to be. This is going to be uplifting. So, you know, we're all very sad, and we've been without her for a while now, and. And like I said, I really don't care how many albums we sell, but I wrote the song see you soon, and that's what we called the album. And so it took us two years to put this thing together. And the problem is, when my band records a song, it takes a while because of me. I'm not a great guitar player. I'm not a great singer. We have to do take 58, you know, and it takes a while. And we had to go back and do songs over again. I messed them up. But I brought in a friend named Camille to sing on this song, see you soon. And at the end of the song, there's a verse that says, how I remember my sister singing. That's another thing she could do. She could sing and play guitar, and she had a beautiful voice. And one song that she used to sing was from both sides now. Joni Mitchell, several others did the song. I think even Neil diamond did that song. And it's just a childhood memory for me. And I said, you know, I hear your voice in every song. That one by Joni, I remember how you used to sing from both sides now. So here comes my friend Camille, and she's there to put harmonies on the song. And she goes in and my friend Shay says, hey, warm up your voice a little bit. So she goes in there and she starts singing from both sides now. And I thought, wow, that's really sweet of Camille to do that, because that's the last verse I know she's listened to. Well, she had just listened to the choruses, and when she came out, I said, hey, that was thank you for singing that song. She goes, well, why? And I said, well, because it's in that third verse. You listen to that, right? And she said, no, I just listened to the choruses for the harmonies. I have no idea what you're talking about. And I said, what's the third verse? And she said, well, I used to sing that to my babies. So I thought, wow, you know, that's. Somehow, I think, my sister reaching out. So as a part of my therapy, if I only had a guitar, I thought I'd play it.

[Gordon Keith]

George. George. I actually. I brought my J45 back here.

[George Dunham]

I was gonna say it has to be a J45.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, well, it is a J45. I just got. I just got this at a pawn shop over where Lee Harvey Oswald used to live.

[George Dunham]

And it's probably not tuned around.

[Gordon Keith]

No, no, I tuned it and everything. So anyway.

[George Dunham]

You tuned it.

[Gordon Keith]

Listen, that.

[George Dunham]

That's pretty good. Yeah, but Camille's not here, so I don't think. I don't think we should do this song.

[Gordon Keith]

No, Camille is here. Camille is here. We have. Camille. Are you here? Look at this. Camille.

[George Dunham]

Camille Trimble is here at the Kessler Theater in Dallas. Oh, she brought gifts, too. Isn't that sweet? She got a candle, flowers and a candle. Oh, thank you. This is Camille, ladies and gentlemen.

[Gordon Keith]

Look at that.

[George Dunham]

I shouldn't say look at that, should I?

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, that was a little awkward. This is Camille. Look at that. That was weird.

[George Dunham]

I was pointing to the flowers.

[Gordon Keith]

Okay.

[George Dunham]

So would you like to hear? See you soon. All right. Thank you, Gordo, for bringing a guitar.

[Gordon Keith]

Very roady, like me.

[George Dunham]

Thank you. I thought you need a song, right? You might as well have a song. A little. Thanks, Camille, for being here.

[Gordon Keith]

Thank you for being you, George.

[George Dunham]

Oh, how sweet. Seriously, I'm sorry I said, look at that. I really was. I was trying to say look at that. She brought us flowers. That's what I was trying to say.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, you did. Look at that. Just look at it.

[George Dunham]

All right, here we go. Springtime and hour still snow on the ground Gonna be the last time I'll be coming right Talk about the good times I tried not to cry Showed us how to live Showed us how to die Said the sun's gonna shine so will the moon well, this ain't goodbye I'm gonna stay you soon. Well, this here is a dairy tale the metad eyes you didn't take too long for them to say I do. And what a good life that they built. Raised three girls that farm on a hill she loved the day on the river no Motown. This ain't goodbye I won't see you soon. Why we here? What's it all for? You knew all along so many of us live in fear you're always strong. Well, it's been five sunsets since you've been gone Hear your voice and every song that won by Joseph. I remember how you used to sing from both sides now you hear me in the wind See me in the flowers of June well, this ain't goodbye so please, please don't you cry this ain't goodbye I won't see you soon. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Wow, that's really sweet. And that's my only chance to play here at the Kessler, so that's really the reason why I did that. But here's another thing. It may sound crazy to you guys. I just. When we were talking about what we're gonna do, I don't know if I heard a voice, but I just had a feeling. Play that song, because that's like, the first time I've ever really gotten through it, you know, And I can get through it now. So we've talked about it on the podcast. I think I'm in need of therapy, and maybe I still am, but somehow y', all, the two guys I work with, and y', all, the P1s who listen to the ticket and listen to this podcast have healed me. And if. And I can do that tonight. And thanks to Camille, who has the sweetest voice in the country, I think. And thank you for letting me fill that time with that.

[Gordon Keith]

Oh, that was great. Give Giorgio a round of applause again. That was fantastic.

[George Dunham]

And, you know, and recently, it's nothing to worry about, but I underwent some health tests. I'm not pregnant, Gordon.

[Gordon Keith]

Thank God.

[George Dunham]

And as I was going into this machine, I thought, did she know something? That I'm going to be next of the siblings, and that's why she's going to see me soon, maybe, but it was just the. You know, it's just one little moment in time, and I'll never forget that. And here I talk on the radio and couldn't come up with the right words to say. I didn't know what to say to her. And she said that. So, you know, now see you soon is on a record that now has 11 copies out there in circulation.

[Gordon Keith]

Sold 10 more tonight.

[George Dunham]

10 more tonight. We're up for 21. And it goes out on this podcast. And if nothing else, that was just a tribute to Nancy. To Nancy.

[Gordon Keith]

To Nancy.

[Craig Miller]

It's a beautiful song. It really is.

[George Dunham]

Thank you.

[Craig Miller]

It's beautiful. The music, the words, it's all gorgeous.

[George Dunham]

Thank you.

[Craig Miller]

How long does it take you to write something like that? I'm fascinated by songwriting.

[George Dunham]

You know, sometimes it goes fast. Like that song went really fast. I just had so many thoughts, and it just went. I. I bet in a couple of days I wrote that song. I wrote thought it was you in like 10 minutes. And some of my songs sound like they're written in five or 10 minutes. I didn't spend much time on that one lyrically, but sometimes it takes a month or so. Sometimes you put it down and you go back and finish it a few months later. And when I started doing this, I always just thought, why? Why am I doing this? And I'd like to thank Gordon. He threw out the idea. When we did our first record, Gordon wrote me a really nice text and said, hey, a lot of sweet things. And he said, you can do good with this someday. And that really stuck with me. And our little band has done good with it. We play for free a lot. That's really about what we're worth. But we've anchored charity concerts and we play for others. And I really got that idea from Gordon, as that's the important thing is what does the music mean to you, and what can it mean to maybe help somebody else? And I'd like to credit Gorgia.

[Gordon Keith]

You're so sweet. Yeah. Because it's such a win for everyone. I mean, this is one of the ways that you really inspired me, and I think you inspire a lot of people because you had left your rock and roll aspirations and your country songwriter crooning aspirations at the. At the Pegasus doorstep when your high school band. Pegasus.

[Craig Miller]

Yeah.

[George Dunham]

Flamed out.

[Gordon Keith]

Speaking of flaming out, that is the gayest name for a high school band I've ever heard. Pegasus.

[Craig Miller]

Who came up with that?

[George Dunham]

I think it was Pegasus. I can't remember. As one of us, and we all. Yeah, man. That is cool.

[Gordon Keith]

Yeah, that's cool.

[George Dunham]

It's kind of like Van Halen.

[Gordon Keith]

All the ladies will love us if we call ourselves Pegasus. Meanwhile, all the ladies stayed away, and

[George Dunham]

it was a bunch of gay guys

[Gordon Keith]

wearing Lisa Frank shirts. But you followed this passion later in life, and you started it and you followed through on it, and that's what has been so amazing to me to watch you as you took something that most of us would go, you know, I've always wanted to do this, but I'm just kind of fearful. I'll just buy a guitar and noodle around the couch and that's it. Yeah, that's where most people would have stopped and you didn't. You pushed through and you played. You performed for the first time and then that begat more performances. And you've always done it and raised money for charity at the same time. And how much have you raised during Jump Jam for charity? Now?

[George Dunham]

We will hit $2 million next week. So thank you. Thanks for saying all that. I appreciate it.

[Gordon Keith]

Well, it's. It's a perfect marriage of when you. Because a lot of times if you're doing something just for yourself, you'll never do it because you will feel self conscious about it. If you were just performing for your own ego gratification, I think that you're humble enough that you would feel. I just don't. I don't. Shouldn't get up there and book a room and all this kind of stuff or a vanity project, right? Yeah, but you did it and you raised money at the same time for charity, and then that makes you want to do more shows because you have gotten on this incredible fundraising role and then that makes you. Well, if I'm going to do shows, I got to write music and I've always wanted to write music. So every need is served by something else in that equation. So anyway, well, thank you. Yeah, you. You inspire me. Not enough to actually pick up the guitar again myself.

[George Dunham]

Gordon is the real guitar player of the music. It. Gordon can play the hell out of the guitar.

[Gordon Keith]

Thank you. Thank you.

[George Dunham]

It's really good.

[Gordon Keith]

You won't hear it tonight. No, I don't want to do. No, I don't want to do it. I. I'll do an Elvis song if you sing it.

[George Dunham]

No, no, no, because this is what he does. He starts on a song and he makes it like an eight minute version. He's done that to me before.

[Gordon Keith]

Leave you hanging out there.

[George Dunham]

I am not walking out on that branch again. But Gordon is the real guitar player and a great singer too. And I hope you sit down and. Because you got all these crazy thoughts in your head.

[Gordon Keith]

I. I have written more ideas for songs down. I mean, seriously, I, I have hundreds of ideas and lines and lyrics and ideas for how to make a song that's a dialogue, all this kind of stuff. It's just crazy stuff. Right. But I don't execute it the way you do. That's the thing. You sit down and you follow through on it. And that's what's amazing about you. Georgia.

[George Dunham]

Oh, well, that's sweet. I want to. I want to hear a Gord. Who wants to hear a Gordo record someday? I would love to hear that.

[Gordon Keith]

Maybe. Maybe.

[George Dunham]

Would you title all of them the same as Bird Dog?

[Gordon Keith]

I would name every. I thought it was you. Yeah. See you soon. I'm going to steal all those, but they're all they all be Electronic dance music. Song about my dad dying. Sounds a lot like Skrillex.

[Craig Miller]

What a great first hour it was at the Kessler Theater for our first ever live recording of the the podcast part two will drop on Wednesday, July 8th. So join us then for Gordo reflecting on what he's learned from me and George. And we will take questions from the wonderful studio audience that we had that night. That'll be part two of the Musers the podcast the live show dropping July 8th.

[Gordon Keith]

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[George Dunham]

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