Why You Keep Attracting The Wrong Person (and how to actually fix it) | Naomi

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Neuro Experience

Episode Title: Why You Keep Attracting The Wrong Person (and how to actually fix it) | Naomi
Host: Louisa Nicola
Guest: Naomi (Astrologer)
Date: April 9, 2026

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Overview

This episode features a deep and thought-provoking conversation between neuroscientist and mathematician Louisa Nicola and professional astrologer Naomi. The central theme revolves around astrology as a "cheat sheet" to understanding oneself and others, illustrated by a live reading of Louisa’s birth chart. The discussion bridges the gap between scientific skepticism and astrological wisdom, exploring how birth charts, planetary positions, and zodiac signs can inform personal growth, relationships, health, and even collective societal changes.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Astrology 101: Understanding Birth Charts and Zodiac Signs

Timestamps: 00:00 – 09:18

• Birth Charts Defined
  • Naomi explains the birth chart as a "picture of the sky at the time of your birth," offering insight into personality, instincts, and life path ([00:06]).
  • Originally, astrology served royalty as an elite system of forecasting and is now accessible to all.
• Planets, Signs, and Houses
  • Planets are forces (e.g., Saturn is structure and discipline), signs are the styles through which these forces operate, and houses represent life domains ([03:19–05:45], [09:27–09:55]).
  • "Looking at a birth chart is such a cheat sheet for who you are. And if you love someone, most definitely understand them through that lens because you will just know so much about them." – Naomi ([00:18])
• Louisa’s Chart Example
  • Louisa has a Sagittarius stellium (multiple planets in one sign), highlighting her roles as an expander, guide, and teacher, which aligns with her career ([07:56–08:44]).
  • Naomi discusses the light and shadow sides of Sagittarius, emphasizing the need for humility and continuous learning.

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2. Astrology as a Tool for Self-Knowledge and Healing

Timestamps: 09:18 – 16:24

• The Purpose of Birth Chart Readings
  • Birth charts can reveal personal strengths, tendencies, and challenges, helping people understand why they might feel misaligned or stuck.
  • "When people come and talk to me, typically, they became the carpenter, and they don't know what went wrong..." – Naomi ([15:27])
• Agency and Destiny
  • While planetary influences are real, free will is always at play. Alignment comes from consciously working with your chart’s energies, not passively blaming fate ([15:23–16:24]).

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3. Scientific Connections and Skepticism

Timestamps: 23:11 – 26:51

• Population Studies and Health
  • Louisa references large-scale studies linking birth month with health outcomes, like the risk for heart conditions or schizophrenia, prompting Naomi to explain how environmental and planetary factors overlap ([23:11–24:42]).
  • Planets can form "hard aspects" (difficult alignments), impacting collective and individual experience ([25:41]).

Notable Exchange:

"A: ... it was a 2023 meta analysis of over 440,000 patients confirmed that being born in winter and spring have a 5 to 8% higher risk of developing schizophrenia. How can you explain this?"
"B: ...Winter is ruled by Saturn, the planet of restriction, boundaries, endurance, survival energy... if Saturn is making a hard conversation... then you will have populations that are going to be born under a certain influence." ([24:42–26:51])

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4. Astrology and Major Life Events

Timestamps: 27:31 – 30:38

• Planetary Conjunctions and Global Shifts
  • Discussion of the rare Saturn-Neptune conjunction at zero degrees Aries, signaling a “new dream” and collective transition ([27:31–29:35]).
  • Louisa narrates a dramatic recent life event and draws connections to these planetary shifts ([27:35]).
  • "We are witnessing the dawn of a new dream, collectively and personally. This is affecting you personally because it's in your first house. And what you're witnessing now is a rebirth of your entire identity and self concept." – Naomi ([33:54–34:39])

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5. Astrology, Health, and Emotional Well-being

Timestamps: 30:29 – 37:25

• Rising Sign and Early Life
  • Naomi details the import of the rising sign (Louisa's is Pisces), shaping instinctual responses and perceptions during childhood and beyond ([22:20–23:11]).
• Chart Reflections of Early Loss or Sensitivity
  • Naomi identifies Louisa’s early-life sensitivity and emotional pain, describing the Pisces rising as "thin-skinned" and “the most sensitized sign” ([16:24–19:22]).

"B: ...your chart reads as someone who experienced pain very early on. So this is a pain that's not explainable. This is a pain that is coming from spirit. It's from a different time and space. You just had to go through it." ([16:24])

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6. Practical Application: How to Use Astrology

Timestamps: 37:25 – 46:49

• How to Get a Chart & What Apps to Use
  • Naomi recommends obtaining a free chart from astro.com, expressing skepticism toward astrology apps that “catastrophize” energies ([38:09]).
• Advice for Louisa: Navigating the Next 5 Years
  • With a rebirth underway, Louisa is advised to strengthen spiritual boundaries and practice regular rituals (alone time, meditation, journaling, physical activity) to protect her Pisces sensitivity ([39:32–45:12]).

"B: ...Embrace all the new that's coming, all the new elevated experience of life that's coming for you. But do it in a way that is safe, that you don't over give and you don't over love and you don't over share." ([43:32])

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7. Astrology for Relationships and Compatibility

Timestamps: 52:24 – 55:40

• Astrology vs. Therapy
  • Naomi highlights that astrology is "unapologetic as to what is," providing direct and factual insights that complement conventional therapy ([52:40]).
  • Synastry charts allow people to overlay charts for compatibility, illuminating both strengths and friction in relationships and friendships ([55:40]).
• Understanding Emotional Needs
  • Birth charts can reveal non-negotiable emotional needs and preferred expressions of love, making them valuable for self-understanding and couples work.

"B: ...looking at a birth chart is such a cheat sheet for who you are and what your person needs. And if you love someone, most definitely understand them through that lens because you will just know so much about them." ([54:56])

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8. Key Philosophical Takeaways

Timestamps: 48:58 – 51:56

• Free Will vs. Fate
  • Astrology shows possible life scripts, but it’s up to individuals to choose and take action ([48:58]).
• Self-Rediscovery
  • The real value of astrology is permission to fully embrace who you are, instead of chasing generic measures of success.
  • "So maybe sometimes you just need the permission to remember who you are. And you need that light showing you back to yourself." – Naomi ([51:56])

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Notable Quotes

• “You have become a new, more transcendent energy of yours as landed in your body. And what you have to do is embody it.” – Naomi ([39:32])
• “With astrology, we have two very important factors. We have free will, and we have fate.” – Naomi ([48:58])
• “Therapy is important and sometimes necessary. Astrology is unapologetic as to what is.” – Naomi ([52:40])
• “Looking at a birth chart is such a cheat sheet for who you are... If you love someone, most definitely understand them through that lens.” – Naomi ([54:56])
• “So maybe sometimes you just need the permission to remember who you are.” – Naomi ([51:56])

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Segment Timestamps (Major Points)

• 00:00–09:18: Astrology basics, Louisa’s birth chart, role of planets/signs/houses
• 15:23–16:24: Agency, life paths, and why people seek astrology
• 22:20–23:11: Rising signs and their influence
• 23:11–26:51: Scientific studies and astrological interpretation
• 27:31–29:35: Saturn-Neptune conjunction, collective transformation
• 33:54–34:39: Personal transformation under current astrological events
• 39:32–45:12: Practical tips for leveraging astrological insight for wellbeing
• 52:40–55:40: Astrology vs. therapy, relationship compatibility and synastry

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Resources Mentioned

• astro.com for free birth chart generation ([52:08])
• Astrology for health, healing, and flourishing relationships
• The concept of a synastry chart for couples and friends

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Final Takeaway

Astrology, in Naomi’s expert view, is less about predicting the future and more about providing a sensitive, nuanced framework for understanding our internal drivers, patterns, and connections with others. Whether you approach it as a skeptic or a believer, astrology offers a compelling language for self-discovery, healing, and personal agency—specifically when life feels out of sync or you’re navigating critical transitions.

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For the most benefit, Naomi encourages at least one birth chart consultation in everyone’s lifetime and reminds listeners: “You’re not alone and nothing is wrong with you.” ([50:48])

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[A]

Do you have that piece of paper? We've got my birth chart here, which by the way, it's beautiful. Let me ask you, what's a birth chart?

[B]

Birth chart is a picture of the sky at the time of your birth. Over centuries, people realized that the planets were influencing our behavior, our patterns, feelings. And at first, astrology was only used for kings. It was a very elite type of forecasting. But this knowledge came with us the same way that nature came with us. So looking at a birth chart is such a cheat sheet for who you are. And if you love someone, most definitely understand them through that lens because you will just know so much about them.

[A]

What is it that you do?

[B]

I read people's birth charts because of the mind blowing knowledge that we can all have on ourselves and each other and that I believe we should all do whatever we can to put our hands on.

[A]

What can you tell me about myself based on my birth chart? And I'll tell you if it's real.

[B]

Okay. So last week we had Saturn and Neptune conjunction in the sign of Aries. And this is a week exactly to the day. Whatever is going on with Iran may be the beginning of all.

[A]

I'm Louise Nicola and this is the neuro experience. Naomi, I want to be up front. Okay. I'm a neuroscientist, I'm a neurophysiologist, and I'm a mathematician. So I'm very, I've lived my life very analytical, very logical. But I get so many questions about zodiac and astrology and I've. I want to learn as much as I can. So why don't we start first with what is the zodiac sign?

[B]

So when we talk about astrology, there are different elements that are very important to take into consideration. The number one element is that we are looking at the sky. We are not just simply looking at the signs. The signs are an element of the sky, but we are first and foremost looking at the planets. The planets are representing a force, an energy that affect us. So for example, the planet Saturn is the planet that represents structure, boundaries, time and discipline.

[A]

Why though?

[B]

Why? So basically, over centuries, people realized that the planets were influencing our behavior, our patterns, collective energies, feelings and general behaviors who are influenced by planets. And this came about after centuries of paying attention to what was going on in the sky and how it was impacting the world. And at first, astrology was only used for kings. It was a very elite type of forecasting that only people who had extreme resources like kings and queens could hire astrologers who would sit by the night sky, and pay attention to the movement of the planets. So over a very long period of time, it was discovered and realized that the planets have an effect on us. And every planet has a different type of energy that it affects us through.

[A]

Okay, so I cut you off with the zodiac. So, yeah, we got to Saturn, we

[B]

got to the planets, we have the planets, and then the planets are moving through the sky. And the sky is composed as constellations, which are groupings of stars. And they each represent certain zodiac sign. So Sagittarius, for example, is when the sun is traveling through the constellation of Sagittarius. When we perceive that the sun is in that constellation, from our perspective, we see that people that are born when the sun is in the constellation of Sagittarius have certain character traits, they have certain behavioral patterns, they have certain type of identities that we find time and time again.

[A]

But would that be the same for, let's just say, Sagittarius? What's the date range with that?

[B]

Approximately December.

[A]

I'm a Sagittarius, so I was born in December. Are you saying that most Sagittarians have the same character traits?

[B]

So, yes. So most people who have their sun in Sagittarius will show certain similarities in their identities, in their self perception, in the way they go about their life. Now, it's not just about the sun. The sun was in the constellation of Sagittarius at the time of your birth. But where was Mercury, the planet of communication? Was it in the constellation position of Gemini? Sagittarius? Was it in Aries? Was it in Pisces? How do you communicate? We know how you will identify as a Sagittarius. You are expanded. Sagittarius is the sign that is ruled by the planet Jupiter. Every planet rules a sign. So Jupiter is the biggest planet. It is the planet that expands. So a Sagittarian, by definition, wants to expand, wants to explore, wants to go further, wants to learn more. Sagittariuses have this very expensive energy. Now, where was the moon at the time of your birth? Was the moon is a constellation of Pisces? Was it in Libra? Where it is extremely concerned about what other person is going to think. Because Libra is the sign of partnership. And where are all the planets in which sign? And essentially, a planet represents a force and a sign. The zodiac sign represents a style through which the force is going to express itself. So the sun is your identity. It's how you shine. It's how you want want to shine in the world. In the constellation of Sagittarius, you're going to want to shine as a teacher, as an expander, as a guide. Now, if the planet Pluto, which is a planet of destruction and transformation, is making a hard aspect to your sun in Sagittarius, it will be harder to access those powers.

[A]

All right, so it's so interesting, the way that you're speaking. I have no. I'm. I'm finding it hard to keep up with you. Right. And I cannot, I think to myself, maybe this is what some people listening to the podcast feel when I go in depth with neurology. So let me ask you a few questions. What is it that you do and why do you do what you do?

[B]

So, essentially, I read people's birth chart. That is to say, that's your occupation.

[A]

You read people's birth charts?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because of the fascinating and mind blowing knowledge that we can all have on ourselves and each other that is so easily accessible and that I believe we should all do whatever we can to put our hands on.

[A]

Okay, so it's like going to a therapist, if you will, but when you read your birth chart, you go, you know, somebody will come to you to read their birth chart to understand more about who they are and where they are in the world. Is that correct?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

So what's a birth chart?

[B]

So a birth chart is a picture of the sky at the time of your birth.

[A]

Wow. So you can get the exact. Which, by the way, everyone listening, do you have that piece of paper? If you're watching on YouTube, we've got my birth chart here, which, by the way, looks very Pythagorean. It's Pythagorean. It's beautiful. I won't zoom in on it, but it's a chart. We got my date of birth, we got where I lived, where I was born, this city, and we got the time. And what can you tell me about myself based on my birth chart? And I'll tell you if it's real.

[B]

Okay, so you're not only a Sagittarius, you have something that's called a stellium, which means a grouping of three planets or more in one sign. And you have 1, 2, 3, 4. You have four planets in Sagittarius, so it makes you super Sagittarius.

[A]

I'm a huge Sagittarius. All right.

[B]

Okay. So with Sagittarius, we have the energies of. Do you relate to the energies of teaching, guiding, being expanded, wanting to learn, being a seeker?

[A]

That's exactly who I am.

[B]

Have you traveled, would you say that you are well traveled?

[A]

Yes, my very first occupation was a high school teacher.

[B]

So you always wanted to teach?

[A]

Always wanted to teach.

[B]

Have you taught when you were a child, were you in situations where you would show other people the way?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And the shadow aspect of Sagittarius, which is for every sign, we have a light and a shadow aspect. The shadow aspect of the Sagittarius is that energy of knowing that you know, because the Sagittarians are so expanded and they're so smart very often because they've studied so much that they can feel like they know it all. So there is a little bit as children, it's very sweet to see Sagittarius children because they have that tendency of feeling like they know you can't really teach them anything. You know, they're smarter than you.

[A]

Sounds like me, but okay, reading my birth chart and telling me what my own characteristics are of my personality. What is that going to teach me?

[B]

So you tell us what it's going to teach you. When I say to you, you have this massive expanded seeker energy, you are the guide. And it is showing up in your 10th house, which is your house of work, because the chart. So we take the picture of the sky at the time of your birth. We look at the planets. Every planet represents a certain force, a driving force, and in which sign it's at, which is the style through which that force is going to express itself. And then we look at the house, we look at three things. The planet, which is the force, the power, the influence, the sign, which is the style. Sagittarius is expanded. Libra cares about partnership, so it's all about emotional relationships. And the house, which is the domain of life, where this affects you the most. Your Sagittarius energy is in your 10th house of work, meaning you're not just teaching at home, you're not just teaching within your immediate surrounding, or even you're not just learning about yourself alone. This is your work. Your sun is in the 10th house, meaning you are supposed to be very visible to the world. And this is how this light, this power of Sagittarius, the teacher, the guide, is supposed to express itself so we know that you are aligned with your path. Your Mercury, which is your planet of communication, is also in Sagittarius. So you want to teach, you communicate through ideas, big ideas. You also want to share different belief systems. You want to show that there is more, there's always more. You always want to question what's out there. And this is also how you want to Share your own light. This is your personality, this is your identity. If someone said to you you can't teach anymore, it would not be okay for you. This is really a part of how you are meant to channel your light in your everyday life. Now you have Saturn on your sun. Saturn is the planet of restriction and boundaries and time on your son. This can show up in different ways. One way that it shows up, as is your light, your teacher guide energy, your capacity to communicate difficult ideas in a clear way to the world is extremely structured. It is regimented, it is organized, it is real.

[A]

Wow. Anybody who comes in contact with me should really just know my birth chart because everything you're saying here is so accurate. I feel like I'm seeing. I don't know. Okay, keep going because it's insane.

[C]

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[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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[A]

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[C]

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[B]

So now what's very important to know is that by the way, this is a cold. Okay, so two things for the audience. This is a cold read. So I've never looked at your chart before. Meaning typically if you make an appointment with me, I will have looked at it before. So I could. Because you. There's lots of layers. Yeah. But additionally this is not the exact time. So I'm I'm also basing that we are two hours off.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So the entire chart is actually in a different direction.

[A]

Yeah, we had to get my correct time.

[B]

Yeah. So if people look, zoom in and they're like, well, that doesn't make sense because. Because I looked at the real one and it's not like this. Your light is regimented, it's organized, it's structured. So you are someone who needs time, who needs order, who needs discipline and boundaries. This is because essentially you lucked out and you worked really hard. But someone who doesn't put in the work will never experience levels of fame and success like you are set to, because they will feel self restricted. They will themselves constrict their own light, and they will boundary their own capacity. So you are doing it the right way, where you're using this energy of needing to be real, making it real through the podcast. Right. Like, this is a real way to communicate. You are enabling your light to shine the way that it's meant to, which is in this very structured, tangible, real way.

[A]

But my question is, how did I know how to follow this path? Like, I could have just not taught. Okay, let's just say I didn't go into teaching and then medicine and science. What if I just, I don't know, became a carpenter, if you will? Like, what if I just veered in the opposite direction? Like, are you saying that where I'm at today is the product of the time that I was born and the place I was born?

[B]

No, it's not what I'm saying.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

When people come and talk to me, typically, they became the carpenter, and they don't know what went wrong, and they don't know why life is feeling so sad. So they ask me, you know, what is it? What does it say in the stars for me? So you, because of where you are, most likely would not go and seek out a breast chart reading because you probably feel very aligned.

[A]

Do you know how many of my friends, okay, I, you know, my two best friends, for example, I have a female best friend and a male best friend, and they both go. Every time they're feeling uneasy, maybe they've gone through a breakup. They go and see a. They don't see an astrologer, a psychic, okay? And I am like, why? I just. I cannot. And they. They tell me, you should go and see one. I'm like, but why? They're like, you know, so you know where you're going. I'm like, I do know where I'm going because I have a Clear path. And I do everything. So this, you're right. I can't understand why people go into this.

[B]

So that's amazing. We're having this conversation because. Exactly. You're good. And is it because it was easy or because you were born at the right time? No, you worked really hard to become who you are. And this is right here because it could have been very easy for you to give up very early on. I don't know if it's true, I don't know if anything about you, but from your chart it shows that you've experienced a lot of loss and grief early on, which has led you to which. Because you're doing the work which astrology will never do for you and medicine will never do for you, because you took, because you took charge of your life, because you took your agency, because you claimed your powers, because you are a sovereign being, you are able to be here, which is where you are meant to be. But typically, people come to me, they haven't had the stamina, the capacities to follow their path. So meeting an astrologer, when you're having a transit, which is basically a travel of the planets hitting your chart in a specific way, there's an awakening that happens, right? So the planets, they're still moving. So when they're moving and they're hitting a part of your chart, which is your constant blueprint, they activate certain energies which then makes everyone at 42, 44, wonder, am I in the right path? That's your Uranus opposition. So we have this transits. The Saturn returns at 28 to 30 and the planet Saturn comes back to its place of origin in the chart. Happens approximately every 30 years. So we have these times where people are going to feel called, to check in with themselves. And that's when they will ask someone else, like someone that's not a therapist, someone that can look above and beyond time and space. So for you, you did not do that because you were born and you lucked out. No, Your Pisces Rising energy is the most sensitive energy of the zodiac, which means life, you know, almost attacked you sensitivity wise. Like you felt everything, perceived everything in this very raw manner. Pisces Rising is the most sensitized sign. So the world came to you in a way that did not feel protected, you did not necessarily feel safe. But because you had this positive conversations with the planet, you are able to get to where you are today. But your chart reads as someone who experienced pain very early on. So this is a pain that's not explainable. This is a pain that is coming from spirit. It's from a different time and space. You just had to go through it. It gave you these very thin skin, so you understand deeper than most and you feel into the world. So when you walk into a room, you can feel into the energy and it's not something that you can necessarily explain. Do you relate to that?

[A]

Yeah. It's making me emotional. I've never cried on a podcast. I'm not going to, but it's so. Last night I sat with one of my very good friends and we were just talking about how my year has started. And it started off really big. It started off with a very big bang. And I just returned home from. I was away doing something that was just so crazy for me in my career. And she said, she looked at me, she goes, did you know growing up that you were destined for this life or that you were going to lead the life? And I said, you know what?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I recount at the age of nine, I said, I always felt different from everybody around me. And I felt like I could. I told her, I said, I always had this sense of. I always knew who was good and who was going to be in my life forever or who wasn't. And I know we can say that often, but I always had a sense of, like, which direction was going to work out for me if I went here. I used to just. I knew, I thought, don't go there because it's going to affect you in the next 10 years or don't do this path work wise. It's going to. You need to go through. So she was asking me this, and you're. You're pretty much backing it all up right now.

[C]

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[B]

that the rising sign is not a particular planet, but it is the sign that's rising on the horizon at the time of your birth. And it's basically your portal, your entryway into the world. And this is the sign that changes every two hours, which is why we need the time, exact time.

[A]

So mine was 11:55am so you are

[B]

Pisces rising in this chart with 1:30pm when 1:00pm gave you an Aries rising. So very different chart. Yes, but the Pisces rising, this is what, something that astrology explains, which I think that's where it becomes critical when we're talking about health, when we're talking about medicine. Your rising sign is your entryway into the world. It's the birth time, it's what you're born into. It's the family you're born into, it's the environment you're born into. And this will dictate your instincts, your responses, your capacities to deal or not deal, your, your reactions. This is creating the path you set yourself on for the first 0 to 14 years of your life. 14 until I'm giving a number. That is until you realize, hey, maybe I can do something differently.

[A]

Okay, so you can take control over those. Well, that actually brings about the next segment, which is where I bridge my gap. I've brought up some, some scientific studies and I want to share these with you. And basically my team, we have a team of analysts that goes through and really sifts through daily. What's the data on whether it's neurosurgery, neurology, specifically Alzheimer's disease. And we were talking about this episode, and to prepare for it, we found a few studies that actually link population medicine, we'll call it, with astrology. So there was a 2015 Columbia study, okay, this one looked at 1.7 million people. It's a very big cohort, right. Found that birth month correlated with risk for heart conditions, specifically first trimester exposure to air pollution was linked to a higher risk of atrial fibrillation. Have you ever seen a chart that's pointed to cardiovascular vulnerability? Or have you ever seen a population that was born at a specific time that correlated with health? Outcome. I want to just back this up again with another study that found that it was a 2000. It was a 2023 meta analysis of over 440,000 patients confirmed that being born in winter and spring have a 5 to 8% higher risk of developing schizophrenia. How can you explain this?

[B]

So essentially, astrology is looking at how the planets in the signs they're currently visiting affecting human behavior. And if we're talking about, say, winter births, winter is ruled by Saturn, the planet of restriction, of boundaries, of endurance, of survival energy. So a child being born during Capricorn season is. You have to look at the environment, obviously. So is there less light? Is there less ease? Is there less comfort? What is going on for most people during this Capricorn season? And where is Saturn currently? What kind of conversations is Saturn making to other planets? Right. So if Saturn is making a hard conversation. So, you know, let's say they're fighting Saturn and Pluto. And Pluto are fighting. Pluto is a planet of destruction and Saturn is.

[A]

I didn't know that planets fought.

[B]

Oh, they can be in disagreement. Right. So like, for example, in your chart, the red lines are showing difficult aspects. You know, they're different agents and they're conversing with each other differently. So here we have Jupiter making a hard aspect to Venus, which is the planet of love. And Jupiter is your ruling planet because you are a Sagittarius. So Sagittarius is ruled by the planet Jupiter, your ruling planet, Jupiter making a hard aspect to your moon, which is your emotional safety. We have here inner tendencies of, you know, different inner conversations that are, this is yours. But typically, you can imagine people come in and they have a lot of different inner struggles that they're working through. So if the planets at this moment where the study was done were in hard aspects to one another, so you have the planet of time fighting with the planet of transformation, or the planet of communication fighting with the planet of disruption, then you will have populations that are going to be born under a certain influence.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Now, if we were to test this today, the cardiovascular study, for example, right, where we have currently some pretty crazy conjunctions happening in the sky today, we are living under extraordinary astrological circumstances. In our day and age. We just had the Neptune and Saturn conjunctions. Neptune is the planet of dreams and illusions, connecting with Saturn, the planet of time and everything that is tangible. So we have a new dream that is being birthed for the collective. This is a transition that happens once every 320 years. It happened last week.

[A]

I'm trying to Think. Did anything crazy happen last week? Does that mean something crazy was meant to happen last week?

[B]

Did something happen crazy last week to you when you, when you think about world powers?

[A]

Well, yeah, I was. Yeah, something crazy did happen last week. Yes. Yeah, I was. You know, without going into too much detail, I was just living my day, normal life. I got a phone call at 8am Louisa, you're needed in a specific location today. Pack your bags. There's a private jet that's going to pick you up in two hours. That's never happened before in my life. It was a very important thing that I had to do and never in my life did I ever think something like that was going to happen. That's crazy to me.

[B]

Yes. And what's really crazy is this. So we have, so you understand the bigger picture. We have these big agents in the sky that are basically managing the energies that we are all feeling collectively. So we're feeling them collectively, we're also feeling them personally. So last week we had what may be the beginning of World War Three happened in Iran. In Iran, right. I mean, it happened less than a week ago.

[A]

Yes, I remember exactly where I was when that happened.

[B]

And this is a week exactly to the day of the Saturn and Neptune conjunction in the sign of Aries. So here to back up a little bit, we have those big powers. Neptune is the power of the illusion and dreams what we allow ourselves to dream. And because this is collective, this is a collective movement that's happening that we're all allowed to dream into a new dream for the world. Saturn is the planet of restriction and boundaries and time. Saturn makes it real. Saturn wants to make the dream real. Now, they did not only meet, which happens once every 36 years, it's not just that they met, it's also that they met at zero degrees of Aries, which is the beginning of the zodiac. So they are starting a whole new cycle together.

[A]

Is that why they called this year the Year of the Horse?

[B]

The Year of the Fire Horse? That's Chinese Kodiak. So that's different. But we are noticing similar themes because it's not that we have different conversations. We're all trying to say the same thing. We're all just trying to analyze what we're all feeling and how we are all affected by those bigger energies. So right now we're in Pisces season. Pisces season is. And you are Pisces Rising. So even though, you know, you may think, well, I'm a Sagittarius, so this has nothing to do with me as a Pisces rising, which is the time where you decided, your soul decided to incarnate into the world. When you came through, you came through this massive amount of sensitivity and spirituality. So Pisces is the most spiritual sign. It is the sign of the end. It's the last sign of the zodiac.

[A]

What does that mean for me?

[B]

Beautiful. Beautiful. It means that you are tapped into the truth with a big T on a lot of different levels in your life.

[A]

My hair is going up on my

[B]

arms because it's true, which is something that you know because you are extremely tapped into truth. And your truth is a big T, capital T. And that truth is twofold for you. It's physical. It's what you know is true. And you may never, you know, maybe after today you'll realize that your truth comes through your body before it comes through your mind. So you do have a tremendous amount of understanding truth from your mind. Mercury is in Sagittarius. Sagittarius is the constellation of the archer. And it. It's pointing. It's an archer that's pointing its bow. Yes, towards the heavens. It's looking up, it's looking further. So you're always looking further. So even though you were. You felt a lot of sensitivity as a child, even though you felt loss and grief too early for your age, you had incredible optimism. You had incredible capacity to move past it, to go forward, to know that there was more. Sagittarius is the sign of faith. So not only do you have faith, meaning you know there is more, you know there is better right around the corner, but it's also an energy that you. That you've always felt through your body. So you are tapped into the truth. Now. This Saturn, this conjunction affected you. What it did for you is it activated your destiny point. Everything that's happening for you this year is aligning you further with your destiny, which what your destiny is, is for you to fully and truly heal yourself.

[A]

That was the motto of this year for me. It was to heal, you know, some traumas that, you know, I think a lot of people have gone through. Whatever trauma that is, it isn't a big small. It was to heal. That's what the theme of this year is for me. And integrity Read a fascinating study.

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[B]

So this was activated for you. So this conjunction, right? So we have Saturn, the planet of what is real, connecting together with the planet of the dream, the great dream. Neptune is the planet that rules Pisces. It's the planet of what is more elevated, what is more transcendent than our real life. And Saturn is our real Life. Starting at 0 degrees of Aries, an entire new zodiac cycle for the world. We are witnessing the dawn of a new dream, collectively and personally. This is affecting you personally because it's in your first house. And what you're witnessing now is a rebirth of your entire identity and self concept. It's changing.

[A]

Is everybody in? Oh, just yours.

[B]

It's in your first house for you. It's in your first house you are witnessing. And what happened for a year for you, the whole past year was understanding what was coming, getting a sense of what was coming for you, and grieving what is no longer relevant, who you're not anymore. The girl you have to leave behind to get onto that new train. And now it's full steam ahead.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

Now, what we witnessed with whatever is going on with Iran and the rest of the world, right, which could be the actual onset of world war iii, is happening just as this conjunction happens. And this is, this is a time of upheaval. So basically for astrology, you want to look at how it's affecting you personally and how it's affecting everyone around you. Because when you're going to work and as a doctor, this is affecting all your patients.

[A]

So could somebody come to you right then, by the way, how did you get into all of this, how did you like? Because I'm trying to figure out if somebody was to come and see you, what about. And they've got a sickness. Okay, let's just say somebody's suffering. We can call it terminal illness. Is that written in their zodiac sign? Is that what you're saying?

[B]

So, okay, this is a tricky question because if you see a lot of different peoples have the exact same chart. You were born at the same time as a lot of other people.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

In the exact same location. Yes. So they have the exact same chart. However, they didn't have the same upbringing, they didn't have the same parents. They didn't have the same response to the stimuli that came to you. So with careful analysis, you could definitely find this outside of the chart is what is happening right now. So those are the planets that are visiting, all the green ones. So if you were to look at the onset of a disease at a specific time, where say this planet is making a hard aspect to that planet, and it would be, let's say in this house, the sixth house, which is the house of the body, and you would have Capricorn there, which is restricting something, and Uranus, the planet of shock, visiting at that time, you could have an onset of a disease and then the person could either fall into it. That is accepted. And the immune system, you know, lower response from the immune system, which is a Pisces category, then, you know, they could. Or then. Or not. Okay, so basically yes and no.

[A]

So then how can we then if somebody wanted to understand. Because I. You said a lot of people come to you when they've hit a crossroads, you know, then are you able to use their birth chart chart to figure out what the best trajectory for them is going to be over the next five to ten years?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so you've got my birth chart. Let's figure that out then. And by the way, we're going to also get into. I'm just using my birth chart because it's the easiest one to use. Now, just as an example. This is also new to me. We're going to get into how people can actually access this. First and foremost, I'm sure I know there's an app that everyone keeps talking about. What was the app's name?

[B]

So I'm not going to recommend an app right now because all the apps work differently. And astrology is for all to all by all, and it is to not be capitalized so much so people can choose their own apps. But I do believe that it's a knowledge that is accessible to all even without a paying app. You know what I mean? So if you go on astro.com, you have free access to the astrological weather forecast, so to speak, and you can pull up your own birth chart for free. And then you can choose which app to use. Because every app is different. What apps will do today, they will catastrophize certain energies. Oh, we have a blood moon, lunar eclipse. So it means this bad thing is going to happen. And obviously I don't subscribe to that, so I'm not going to go and recommend an app that could potentially do that. But people can access their birth chart by inputting their birth information on astro.com they could print their chart and they could try to analyze it or speak to an astrologer. I recommend at least once in a lifetime to have a conversation with an astrologer that can actually tell you what's going on because it's personal. So you may not see your own blind spots. Right. But again, we said you are on your path.

[A]

Yes. So 2026, right? What's, what is the next five years? What's the best way to move through that?

[B]

So for you, what you have to do most and most importantly is to acknowledge your new elevated sense of self. You have become a new, more trans transcendent energy of yours as landed in your body. And what you have to do is embody it. And because it's an extremely sensitive energy, right, which makes you sensitive, emotional, very intuitive and very porous, I would suggest you have very strong boundaried spiritual practices. Pisces needs spiritual practices because Pisces is the last sign of the zodiac. So how does it start? How does it work? We start with the spring equinox. We start with spring. We have Aries season. Aries is the first sign and the last sign is Pisces. So Aries, first day of Aries season, we start the zodiac cycle. This is where at 0 degrees Saturn and Neptune met last week. Week. So we are all going through crazy. It's not surprising that people are asking for astrology because they are feeling that something's happening. Pisces is the last sign. So we can categorize the zodiac as a lifetime. Aries is the birth. The baby's here. Aries energy screams Aries energy says Here I am. It's the sign of the self. Here I am. I need my space. I need my food. Give it to me now. Aries is a cardinal fire sign. Every sign as a modality and an Element. So fire is action oriented. Cardinal. It starts this season. It starts Spring. This is the beginning. Then we have Taurus. Taurus is fixed. Earth, it's the middle of spring. So Tauruses are stable, grounded, loyal. They are very embodied, safe people. They could be a little stuck, a little stubborn, a little complacent, right? Every sign has a light and shadow. And this refers to a part of life which happens after you understand you exist, you're a child. And you start understanding that you need to have your own space, you need to have your own things, you need what's yours, and so on and so forth. Until Pisces, the last sign which represents death. It's the end. It's the end. It's what happens when the veil is lifted and you understand what this whole process was about. Why were you here? What have you done? What have you accomplished? What do you have to show for yourself after everything is over? That's Pisces season. So Pisces is very raw. It's very sensitive because we are all right now, you know, ending winter, a hard winter. And we're starting, at least on this hemisphere, we're going to start spring. And we have to say, what do we have to show for ourselves for this new spring, for the new emergence of spring? So having Pisces as your first energy, which is your rising sign, it's your first house, you are extremely capable to perceive what's on the other side. You understand that there is more out there which is also linking with this very important Sagittarius energy of going further, going higher, right? You have your eyes on, your eyes on the prize you have, your bow is pointed towards the heavens. So you have this truth on both sides. So, so because you have this new rebirth of self that's happening for you this year and in the coming year and a half, you need to protect your sensitivity, you need to protect your heart. So yes, embrace all the new that's coming, all the new elevated experience of life that's coming for you. But do it in a way that is safe, that you don't over give and you don't over love and you don't over share.

[A]

What happens if I do over give and over love and overshare well with

[B]

the Pisces energy because you feel so deeply, you can lose a part of who you are. And what happens when a Pisces loses a part of themselves? They switch from spiritual service to sacrifice. And when you're sacrificing, you're not giving anything anymore. You have no Offering, it's the leftovers. It's whatever is left after everything was taken away. So you are not strengthening your gifts. You are just giving out of obligation, out of duty, out of spiritual responsibility. But you are not giving from a place of sovereignty and agency which our chart always reminds us to, to take ownership of our life, of our gift, of our powers. So what happens? The shadow of Pisces, because it's the end, because it knows what happens after. It will want to numb. It will want to just leave. So you may show up to work and do an amazing job and come home and just be like, no one talk to me. I want to numb. I want to have a glass of wine or a five. And I want to just like disconnect because this is too much for me. So what we want you to do is we want you to take this new found sense of elevated self into the world, but protect it.

[A]

How do you protect it?

[B]

So for you, for Pisces, for Pisces Rising, we need spiritual practices. What are the rituals that keep you grounded where you are? For example, spending time alone. You need to spend time alone to regenerate your own spiritual power.

[A]

Yes, we were, I was away and there was, I think there was about 40 of us or 50. And I had to keep, you know, and we're on an island and it was from like 7am that I was with people to like 10. But I had to keep going away and just recharging my batteries in complete silence in my room, just doing me because my energy, my battery is just. I can't be around people 24, 7. And I kind of feel like, is there something wrong with me? But I just didn't have it in me.

[B]

Okay. Exactly. Beautiful. So that's why you want to look at your chart. Nothing's wrong with you. You are formatted with such deep spiritual capacities. We don't live in a spiritual world. We live in a material world. So someone with your energy can go out in the world and feel very misunderstood and very hurt and very confused and feel like they don't belong. And this makes no sense at. So actually you belong. But you are, you are on a, on a little bit of a pedestal. You are different. You are feeling deeper and higher than most people. And you are needed because your connection to spirit is needed for other people to understand themselves. People that are formatted differently have different blueprints need. The way that you transmit this, your knowledge, which is first and foremost not learned, but felt. Your knowledge is felt through your body. This is what you are born into. So because Pisces is the sign that's the closest to God, we need time alone. We need rituals. So this is meditating, this is journaling. This is just you finding my specific

[A]

rituals and sticking to them.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

[A]

Going to the gym is a ritual for me.

[B]

Okay, so what's interesting is here with the gym, we're talking about bodily movement. So bodily movement is unleashing a different type of necessary boundary that you need to uphold with yourself. So when we have an activated nervous system, we definitely want to have that movement out for you. With Mercury in Sagittarius, you are very. You're wired for so much that you are thinking. You are receiving so many information, like, you are receiving so much all the time that the physical movement is just letting some of that out, sweating out all the knowledge, sweating out all the information, sweating out all the people, just sweating it out. Right. So, like, that's different.

[A]

Can you then think about when somebody is born, what they're destined for? Look at some of the most successful people in the world, albeit whether it's they've built massive companies, maybe they've. Whatever success looks like. Could you relate that back to their birth chart?

[B]

You could. Yeah. You could certainly see it after the case, after the fact. You can see, okay, this is how they were formatted. This makes sense. This makes sense now. However, sometimes it's very surprising because a lot of geniuses have very strong Piscean and Aquarius energies, and those energies are not understood easily by the collective. So what made them successful? It was not only their own genius, not only their environment, but it was also the way the planets were communicating with their birth planets at the time of. Like you said, someone called and said, hey, get in the jet. Yeah, everything aligned. But if you hadn't been where you were because you didn't make the decision five years ago to follow this one impulse, there would be no jet, Correct? Exactly right. So it's not that. Oh, yeah, it's. Sure. It's all predestined.

[A]

Not at all.

[B]

We have. With astrology, we have two very important factors. We have free will, and we have fate. We have both. We have the ways that the planets are moving have nothing to do with us, and they are affecting us. That we want it or not. But our free will doesn't change every day. We're sovereign beings. So we decide to say, you could have given up a long time ago. I don't know anything about you, but I know that very early on, life was very painful and you had to really become that person. You had to become it. And it was you. It was there all along. But you had to make that decision and follow through with it, which, in a way was inevitable because you're so gifted. But, yes, you can see in a chart what you are destined for. And right now, all the babies that are born right now are destined for greatness. They really are. So we are witnessing these new generations being born with this conjunction of Saturn and Neptune in Aries. Aries, starting not only a new cycle, but a new collective dream. So we are going to witness the world going where it's meant to go, which is a place of peace and a place of harmony and a place of beauty. And it's all happening through again. Neptune is a planet that rules Pisces. And right now we're in Pisces season. So we have to look at where Neptune is to see how it's affecting this season. And Neptune is currently in Aries, which is the sign of the self. So we have to dream about ourselves, what it means for us to be truly embodied, truly sovereign. Reclaim our gifts, reclaim our powers. And the babies that are born right now, you know, they are just being born into this new world.

[A]

So how do we sum all of this up? If we talk to, you know, if everybody is listening, they've just listened to us for the last 45 minutes. They're thinking, like, how do I understand myself better? By looking, by taking an astrological perspective

[B]

so you're not alone and nothing is wrong with you. If things are not fitting in your life, there are some adjustments have to be made, and you have to make sure that you're orienting your life towards your own light. In our modern world, too often we're looking at certain characteristics, such as, are you in partnership? Do you have kids? How much money do you have? What's your career status? How long did you go to school for? And we're forgetting that there is a whole ecosystem that we are born into families, that we have ancestries, that we have history, that we have sensitivities, that we have emotional needs that may be very different than the people next to us. So, for example, earlier you said, you know, successful people and success really means different things to different people. And for someone to have a great life could mean that they marry the love of their life and they have five dogs and move onto an island and never speak to anyone again. And that would be in the child, and it would be okay. So maybe sometimes you just need the permission to remember who you are. And you need that light showing you back to yourself.

[A]

Wow. I want to keep doing this with you. I wish I could talk to you ongoing. So you mentioned that everyone now can go and look at astrology. What's the website you mentioned?

[B]

Astro.com.

[A]

astro.com. They can input their data. You need your birth certificate, obviously, to know where you were born, what time, date, etc. You put it in there and then it kind of reads it to you. And you're based in upstate New York.

[B]

I'm in New York. I see people on Zoom. Okay. Anyways, I think.

[A]

I think one of the best possible reasons to go to you is, you know, apart from the obvious, if you're having a crossroads, I think this would bode well and almost rival couples therapy.

[B]

What astrology does that therapy cannot do is although therapy is important and sometimes very necessary, astrology is unapologetic as to what is.

[A]

I say that about science.

[B]

It's just a fact. So, you know, astrology is a language and it exists that you believe in it or not. You would love astrology because, you see, it's all numbers. Yeah, it's all numbers.

[A]

That's why I connected it to maths.

[B]

You have your sun at 23 degrees of Sagittarius and Saturn was at an exact same degree at the time of your birth. What are the odds of two such strong planets being on top of each other at the time of your birth in your 10th house of work? So it's all exact. Astrology is exact. It's very mathematical, very number based. And in terms of couples therapy, yes, you can say. I can say to you, this is how you love love. This is how you need to be loved. He cannot love you like that. He cannot love you. This is how he needs to be loved. So you have Venus in Capricorn. You need to be loved. Seriously. You need a traditional person who's going to take you seriously and love you the way that is traditionally expected. You want love that lasts. Love for you is an investment in time, money and energy. It's real, it's tangible. So someone who has Venus in Scorpio, for example, who's going to be very into the chemistry and entanglements and enmeshments and all that good juicy stuff that's not free you.

[A]

That's called dramatic. We did that in our 20s.

[B]

Yeah, that's not for you. You're not going for that. You're going for someone who is for real. And that's Capricorn. Capricorn is the sign ruled by Saturn. And someone that has Venus in Leo needs to be. And I just spoke to a girl yesterday, she has Venus in Leo and she feels very ashamed of the fact that she needs to be wined and dined and she needs to be covered with jewelry and she, you know, she's admitting all this to me and, and it's, it's right there. It's who she is and that's what she needs. And she needs to manifest a partner who will understand her needs for life love. So looking at a birth chart is such a cheat sheet for who you are and what your person needs. And if you love someone, most definitely understand them through that lens because you will just know so much about them.

[A]

I kind of want to send like my 5 closest people to you. And not that I have any problems, I think like the. I have a beautiful friendship circle and my girlfriends who you know, I, I've cultivated and I, I truly think they know who I am. I can't explain it. I've gone through many friends by the way over the years. You know, sometimes they don't work out friendships. And then my five closest girlfriends, I might, I'm. I don't know how to explain them. But they know me, they know how to talk to me, they know everything. We, there is never an argument between us. I've. They've been with me for, for 15, 20 years and it just works and I can't explain it.

[B]

That's beautiful. So besides for the birth chart, there's something called a synastry chart where you would put people's charts on top of each other and see how they communicate and how they interact with each other. So most likely you guys have a lot of these beautiful blue connections that are called trines and sextiles where the planets are making really positive, flowy, supportive aspect to each other. So it's really beautiful to look at a sin as such, especially for friends and see how the energy just flows and it's just magical. And there's this very innate sense of understanding the other person. You can see soul connections, you know, you can see why something will feel faded. Sometimes people come and they feel like they met their person but things aren't really working out. And you can see how it could feel faded but it's not necessarily meant to happen. And the way that people love, which is Venus and make money, the way that people need to have their emotional needs met on a very simple basic level. Those are your non negotiable emotional needs. Your moon and it's in the seventh house. So this is the house of marriage, partnership, friendship, best friendships, collaborators, partners. So this is very important to you emotionally. So knowing that about someone, but a friend, about a lover, about a family member is just priceless information and it's accessible to all. And this is the way that the world was made. And when we're talking about medicine, so much about medicine today is reclaiming what is actually ours. You know, our capacity to heal, the belief that the body can heal, the belief that we may know the answers more than some professionals at times. Astrology was there always for us to use. And there used to be a time where medical astrology was very normal. The zodiac man system is paying attention to the way that the moon is traveling through all the signs and never operating on someone, on a part of the body that is connected to a sign, because obviously every sign is connected to a part of the body. That's if we want to actually do medical astrology, which is a real study and it's proven to work. So there's just so much out there and it's really for everyone to enjoy. This knowledge came with us the same way that nature came with us, for us to enjoy.

[A]

So, yeah, Naomi, I think we're going to have to do a part two. Thank you so much for being on the neuroexperience podcast.

[B]

Thank you for having me.

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