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In this episode, Derek and Chris talk with Gillian, a longtime, friend, educator, mentor, and co-creator of the Let’s Lead – Nikanetan program, about what it really takes to build an outdoor learning program from the ground up. Drawing on years of shared experience, they unpack the journey from early conversations and small collaborative efforts to the creation of a fully realized program designed to support students who need it most.

Gillian shares insights into the importance of intentional planning, strong relationships, and the role of supportive administrators in bringing a program to life. Together, we explore how outdoor learning programs can create powerful opportunities for belonging, leadership, and re-engagement, particularly for marginalized and disengaged youth.

In this episode, we explore:

How our programs were created and evolved over time
Why taking time to plan and build a strong foundation matters
The importance of administrative support and community partnerships
Removing financial barriers to create equitable access for all students
Rethinking student selection through experiential “tryout” camps
Key program structures like learning teams, morning meetings, and gratitude circles
How outdoor learning programs can transform student engagement and identity

Whether you’re thinking about starting a program or looking to bring more outdoor learning into your current practice, this episode offers both inspiration and grounded advice to help you take the next step.

To contact Gillian, you can email her at:

strange_one@live.com

Resources mentioned:

Brendtro, L., & Brokenleg, M. (2009). Reclaiming youth at risk: Our hope for the future. Solution Tree Press.

You can contact us and access our research, project ideas and more at:
https://engagedstudent.weebly.com/outdoor-learning.html