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Show 1472: Beyond Lyme: Stealth Infections from Flea and Tick Bites
1w ago01:14:48Tap to summarizeTick season is well underway in many parts of the country. It seems that a mild winter and a warm spring have brought the nymphs out seeking blood. If that blood is yours, you may be exposed to a range of pathogens. What’s more, ticks are not the only creatures ready to bite you. Fleas are an even bigger problem when it comes to transmitting bacteria called Bartonella. That genus is responsible for cat scratch disease and trench fever. When the infection goes chronic, it’s called bartonellosis. What are the dangers of flea and tick bites? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen: You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, May 9, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on May 11, 2026. The Hazards of Flea and Tick Bites Ticks can transmit a dizzying number of pathogens, including viruses, bacteria and protozoa. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, for example, occurs when a tick injects Rickettsia rickettsii into a person through a bite. If not treated properly, it can be fatal. Fortunately, however, it usually responds to doxycycline. The NCSU laboratory has developed a reliable diagnostic test that picks it up quickly. Another tick-borne disease that has become familiar over the last few decades is Lyme disease. It is carried by deer ticks infected with Borrelia burgdorferi. If treated promptly, most people clear the disease, but sometimes it morphs into a stealth infection that is quite controversial. You may not think much about flea bites, but they too could be the source of a stealth infection. Fleas transmit Bartonella (and so do body lice, ants, pigeon mites, rat mites and sand flies). Cats can be infected (with three different species of Bartonella) and so can dogs (only two species). When people develop bartonellosis, it can cause liver disease and neurological problems such as headaches and memory loss. In some cases, infected people suffer seizures. Preventing Flea and Tick Bites Once Bartonella get into the body, it likes to hide. The bacteria can enter virtually any cell in the body and make itself at home. As a consequence, the immune system may have difficulty tracking it down and eliminating it. Antibiotics don’t always get to it, either. Treatments of entrenched infections need to be very intensive. So it is better to prevent flea and tick bites. One way is to make sure that pets are protected. Veterinarians can prescribe preventive medicine for them, either oral or topical. Another important step is to protect yourself. Wear effective insect repellent when outside or cover your long pants with permethrin-treated gaiters. And absolutely do not skip the tick check when you come inside. If you find a tick that has bitten you, remove it with tweezers, seal it in a plastic bag, date the bag and put it in the refrigerator. That could provide useful identification if you begin to feel ill over the next several days. When the type of tick is identified, it helps to point the infectious disease expert in the correct direction for what condition you may have. This Week’s Guest Dr. Edward B. Breitschwerdt is a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at North Carolina State University College of Veterinary Medicine. He is also an adjunct professor of medicine at Duke University Medical Center, and a Diplomate, American College of Veterinary Internal Medicine (ACVIM). Dr. Breitschwerdt directs the Intracellular Pathogens Research Laboratory in the Institute for Comparative Medicine at North Carolina State University. He also co-directs the Vector Borne Diseases Diagnostic Laboratory and is the director of the NCSU-CVM Biosafety Level 3 Laboratory. Dr. Breitschwerdt’s clinical interests include infectious diseases, immunology, and nephrology. https://www.galaxydx.com/about-us/meet-the-team/edward-breitschwerdt-dvm-dacvim-saim/ Dr. Ed Breitschwerdt, NCSU College of Veterinary Medicine Listen to the Podcast The podcast of this program will be available Monday, May 11, 2026, after broadcast on May 9. In this week’s podcast, we talk about developing treatments for these challenging conditions. A major focus for Dr. Breitschwerdt is prevention, so he and his colleagues are working on a vaccine that could prevent Bartonellosis. We also discuss the possibility that Bartonella might contribute to arthritis. Find out about the complications of another vector-borne infection, Babesiosis. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. This episode of our podcast was sponsored in part by MUD\WTR. Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code PPOD at mudwtr.com/PPOD
Transcribe →Show 1471: Broken Bills: Why Americans Pay Twice as Much for Less Care
2w ago01:09:04Tap to summarizeAmericans often boast of having the best health care in the world. It is certainly the most expensive health care. We pay twice as much as people in many other industrialized nations. Are we getting our money’s worth? Some population statistics, such as life expectancy, suggest we could be doing much better. How can we make sense of the complexity of American health care? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen: You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, May 2, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on May 4, 2026. Why We Pay Twice as Much for Health Care One reason Americans pay twice as much is the complexity of our health care services. We often call it a health care “system,” but it often doesn’t feel as coordinated as a system ought to be. Many other countries have universal health insurance coverage in one form or another (and there are many). That means the government has an incentive for keeping costs down. With so many different payers and players in the US, the incentives frequently go in the other direction. You may notice this if you examine an explanation of benefits from Medicare or a private insurance company. There may be a sizable gap between what the provider charged and what insurance approved. Who pays the retail price? Only people who don’t have insurance, who are usually those least able to manage a big bill. If you find yourself faced with a hospital bill and no insurance coverage, it is important to talk with the billing department. Nonprofit hospitals should have a mechanism for patients without coverage to negotiate a lower total or a longer time frame in which to pay. Even some for-profit hospitals and medical practices are open to negotiation, but starting the negotiation as early as possible is key. How Much Does an Emergency Cost? Nobody plans for a medical emergency. That is the nature of emergencies–they are unexpected. If you need an ambulance to get you there, if you have to be transferred to another hospital with a better ability to care for your problem, if the doctors must do multiple tests to make a diagnosis will all influence your bill. As a result, emergency visits could cost from tens of thousands of dollars to a million or so. With high-deductible health insurance, a person or their family could end up owing more than they can pay. That is how some cases of bankruptcy are rooted in high healthcare bills. We Pay Twice as Much Because Providers Make More In the US, doctors were once in the same category of professionals as teachers or firefighters. Those days are long gone. Healthcare providers here are compensated more generously than providers in many other places, such as Canada, Japan or Israel. Moreover, just as there are middlemen in the prescription insurance business (called pharmacy benefit managers, PBMs), health insurance has its own middlemen. The result is a great deal of complexity, very little transparency, and a lot of parties trying to make money on each transaction. That also leads to a great deal of administration, which further increases the cost. Why Don’t Market Forces Control Costs? Some analysts suggest that the free market should be able to control costs. But for market forces to work, you need competition and transparency. Over the last decade or so, there has been increasing consolidation in every sector of health care. Competition is limited in most areas. Moreover, transparency is in very short supply in health care. For years we have been talking about how hard it is to do comparison shopping for health services like MRI scans or colonoscopies. If consumers cannot compare costs or value, they cannot make the rational decisions that would help moderate prices. How Administrative Costs Increase Bills Part of every insurance premium goes to paying administrative costs. Insurers pay people to review claims (and deny some). Preauthorization also adds to administrative costs. Manage the Hospital Bill So You Don’t Pay Twice as Much as You Should Years ago, we interviewed Marshall Allen, who titled his book Never Pay the First Bill. Our guest for the current episode counters always request an itemized bill. That way you can check it to make sure that simple items such as names, dates and insurance policy numbers are correct. Then look at whether the services billed are actually the services received. An estimated nine of ten hospital bills contain mistakes. The sooner you catch them and contest them, the less likely you are to have to pay them. To determine what you must pay, you may need to review the summary of benefits on your insurance policy. That lays out in detail exactly what the insurance will cover. What Can Patients Do So They Don’t Pay Twice as Much? Ask for an itemized bill and check it carefully in every detail. If you find a mistake, contest it. Sooner is better, even though you may be trying to recover from a serious illness. Ask the billing office about patient assistance or a negotiated payment plan. Check with the Patient Advocate Foundation. They may be able to help in an individual case. Find out if your state has a consumer assistance program in the department of insurance. Notify an intractable billing department that your story will appear in your social media feed. This should probably be the last step if the previous ideas don’t work. But hospitals really don’t like bad publicity, so it might give you leverage you wouldn’t have otherwise. This Week’s Guest Linda J. Blumberg, PhD, is a research professor at Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy. She is an expert on private health insurance (employer and nongroup), health care financing, and health system reform. Linda J. Blumberg, PhD, describes why we pay twice as much for healthcare Listen to the Podcast he podcast of this program will be available Monday, May 4, 2026, after broadcast on May 2. On this episode, Dr. Blumberg discusses the importance of the summary of benefits in your insurance policy in greater detail. You’ll hear about a situation in which an emergency department overcharged a patient egregiously; the summary of benefits was key in resolving the problem. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. Download the mp3, or listen to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Transcript of Show 1471: A transcript of this show was created using automated speech-to-text software (AI-powered transcription), then carefully reviewed and edited for clarity. While we’ve done our best to ensure both readability and accuracy, please keep in mind that some mistakes may remain. If you have any questions regarding the content of this show, we encourage you to review the original audio recording. This tra...
Transcribe →Show 1470: Why Your Doctor Should Prescribe Exercise to Treat Depression, Cancer & Aging
3w ago01:18:13Tap to summarizeIf you had to name one thing that could contribute to better health throughout the lifespan, what would it be? We think exercise, or at least physical activity deserves the top spot. Yet in 2025, fewer than half of adults met the guidelines for aerobic physical activity. And less than one-quarter were doing both aerobic and muscle-strengthening exercises on a regular basis. Perhaps your doctor should prescribe exercise. What could we expect as the benefits? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, April 25, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wvtf.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on April 27, 2026. Would Your Doctor Prescribe Exercise for Depression? Earlier this year, the Cochrane Collaboration published a review of 73 randomized clinical trials of exercise as a treatment for depression (Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, Jan. 8, 2026). Most of these compared physical activity to antidepressants or to psychological therapy for depressed patients. Some of them compared the exercise prescription to no treatment or wait list. Comparing exercise to no treatment revealed an advantage for exercise, although the quality of the trials left something to be desired. Ten trials compared exercise to psychological therapy. In addition, five trials weighed exercise against antidepressant medication. Neither comparison showed a clear tilt for or against exercise as a superior intervention against depression. Exercise in the Cancer Center Dr. Claudio Battaglini of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill was not surprised by this finding. The exercise program he oversees for cancer patients often results in lifting their spirits as well as improving their health. That may help explain the very high adherence in his program. Will Physical Activity Reduce the Risk of Cancer? According to a review of the evidence, regular physical activity can reduce the number of people who die prematurely. In addition, it helps with weight control, quality of life and bone health. Older people are less likely to fall or experience declining cognition if they exercise regularly. The review found that physical activity improves quality of life and promotes emotional benefits (European Journal of Cancer Prevention, Jan. 1, 2025). If oncologists should prescribe exercise, don’t cancer patients deserve to have their insurance company cover the cost? Insurers rarely blink twice at cardiac rehab. Although cancer rehab is also super-helpful, insurance companies often don’t choose to pay for it. What Role Could Coaching Play in Guiding Physical Activity? Lots of doctors tell their patients to get more exercise. The patient wants to and intends to, but perhaps they just don’t know how. What activity should they choose? What is the proper technique? How often and how much do you need to move? All these questions can be answered by a coach. The coach will take into account your objectives and preferences as well as your prior experience. What do you love doing? Are there any moves you should avoid to reduce the risk of injury? That’s why when doctors prescribe exercise, they should include coaching to provide this sort of guidance. If Doctors Prescribe Exercise, Will That Help Motivation? Many of us know we should be active, but we don’t always follow through. How can we get motivated to move? According to Dr. Jordan Metzl, the first step is to find something you love doing. For Joe, for instance, having the doctor prescribe exercise of runniing a mile a day is not going to work. But he’ll cover much more than a mile–and quickly–if he is playing a competitive game of tennis. Joe loves tennis. Terry is not a runner either. On the other hand, karate club is a highlight of her week, and she has worked to achieve some skill in it. Dr. Metzl advocates for finding the activity that gets you excited and making it a priority in your life. If you are having fun, that is a great motivation. Reducing the Cost to Act Another thing to consider is overcoming the cost to act. If your activity requires a lot of preparation that feels like a chore, the cost to act is high. If you can make it easier and break down that barrier, you are much more likely to accomplish your exercise. External rewards can also play a role. Joe loves winning, so he likes to play with guys at about his same level of skill. That way, he has a chance to win if he tries. For Terry, there was a progression through belt levels in karate, from yellow to green to blue, and so on. Now, she looks forward to closing the rings in the fitness app on her watch. When Doctors Prescribe Exercise, Does That Give You a Push? For Dr. Metzl, the idea of pushing yourself and maybe your friends is a positive notion. We asked him about people who dig in their heels when pushed. What approach do they need to perceive and pursue their goals? He summarized the three ingredients of healthy motivation as knowledge, emotion and belief. That’s knowledge of the benefits of activity, an emotional response of appreciating and enjoying activity and a belief that you can achieve your goal. This Week’s Guests Claudio Battaglini, PhD., FACSM, is Professor in the Dept. of Exercise and Sport Science at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He is also Director Emeritus of the Get REAL & HEEL Breast Cancer Research Program and Co-Director of the Exercise Oncology Research Laboratory. Jordan D. Metzl, MD is an internationally recognized sports medicine physician, bestselling author, and fitness instructor who practices at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City. He lectures around the world and founded the first physician-led online fitness community, IronStrength, with more than 50,000 members. He created the Ironstrength Workout, a functional fitness program for improved performance and injury prevention that he teaches in fitness venues throughout the country. An elite athlete himself, Dr. Metzl is also a 40-time marathon runner and 14-time Ironman finisher. <img loading="lazy" decoding="async" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-139702" class="size-medium_large wp-image-139702" src="https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-768x512.jpeg" alt="Dr. Jordan Metzl, author of Push, runs the New York City Marathon 2025" width="768" height="512" srcset="https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-300x200.jpeg 300w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-1024x682.jpeg 1024w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-150x100.jpeg 150w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-768x512.jpeg 768w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-1536x1024.jpeg 1536w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-2048x1365.jpeg 2048w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-420x280.jpeg 420w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-290x193.jpeg 290w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-200x133.jpeg 200w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy/New-York-City-Marathon-2025-220x200.jpeg 220w, https://nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/peoplespharmacy...
Transcribe →Show 1188: The Healing Potential of Psychedelic Drugs: New Day!
3w ago00:57:00Tap to summarizeMany indigenous peoples around the world have developed traditional uses for psychedelic compounds. In Western medicine, these were mostly unknown until Albert Hoffmann synthesized LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) in 1938. He later tried to figure out how it might be used after having an extraordinary personal experience. By the mid to late 1960s, psychedelic drugs like LSD or psilocybin had become a cultural phenomenon. By 1970, medical research on such drugs was essentially shut down. A personal note: I worked in the Neuropharmacology Laboratory at the New Jersey Neuropsychiatric Institute from 1967 to 1969. My mentors were Dr. Carl Pfeiffer and Dr. Leonide Goldstein. Both were actively involved in basic research into psychedelic compounds such as LSD and psilocybin. Dr. Pfeiffer’s first paper on the topic was published on March 14, 1957 in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences. I tested these hallucinogenic compounds in rabbits and rats using a quantitative EEG technology that Dr. Goldstein brought to the US from France. One of our papers was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (Oct. 1969). I share this in an effort to provide full transparency so that you will understand I was involved in basic psychedelic research before it was unacceptable to conduct such investigations. What Scared the FDA and the NIH? After 1970, if a researcher wanted to perform research on psilocybin or LSD, the FDA was not supportive. Neither were funders such as the NIH or private foundations. The memory of the 1960s with the slogan sex, drugs and rock and roll created a no-fly zone for scientific investigation after 1970. That was when the federal government passed the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). The CSA made LSD and related compounds Schedule 1. The meant that LSD and related hallucinogens were categorized like heroin with “no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse.” This made scientific research virtually impossible. But over the last decade or so, there has been increasing interest in the use of such compounds to ease the anguish of post traumatic stress disorder, the existential crisis of a cancer diagnosis, drug dependency or even schizophrenia. But the hallucinatory potential of such drugs continues to discourage many researchers from studying such compounds. President Donald Trump Signs the Psychedelic Drugs Executive Order On April 18, 2026, President Trump signed an executive order titled: “Accelerating Medical Treatments for Serious Mental Illness“ For the first time in decades, investigators will be encouraged to conduct research into the therapeutic potential of hallucinogens such as psilocybin, MDMA and ibogaine. Health and Human Services (HHS) will be encouraged to fund research into psychedelic programs. And eligible patients will able to access such compounds for therapeutic purposes under the “Right to Try Act.” Here is the dramatic reversal: “The FDA and Drug Enforcement Administration shall facilitate and establish a pathway for eligible patients to access psychedelic drugs, including ibogaine compounds, under the Right to Try Act (21 U.S.C. 360bbb-0a), including any necessary Schedule I handling authorizations for treating physicians and researchers, consistent with 21 U.S.C. 823, and any applicable waiver authority under the Controlled Substances Act.” What Does This Mean? First and foremost, it means that psychedelic drugs can now be studied without fear by researchers at prestigious medical institutions. Agencies can now fund such research. The head of the Food and Drug Administration, Dr. Marty Makary, is on the record encouraging the FDA to accelerate review of such compounds. There is growing evidence that psychedelic compounds may help people dealing with severe mental health conditions. You will see research and have access to interviews with investigators that have been studying these drugs for years. Yes, there has been research, even if it was not sanctioned by federal agencies. Current Research on Psychedelic Drugs Over the past decade or so, investigators have been conducting research on the healing potential of psychedelic drugs. Dr. David Nichols, an international authority on these compounds, describes the history of this research. His son Charles Nichols, a pharmacologist, studies the molecular and behavioral effects of hallucinogens in animal models. The Healing Potential of Mystical Experience Dr. Matthew Johnson, associate director of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, has conducted a number of clinical trials utilizing psilocybin. He and his colleagues have been exploring the possible uses of psychedelic drugs as medicines for people with life-threatening cancer. They have also examined the possible benefits of a single dose of psilocybin for smoking cessation and overcoming alcohol misuse. Their research was highlighted in an episode of the CBS television show “60 Minutes.” How Psychedelic Drugs Affect Existential Crises When people are diagnosed with terminal cancer or other life-threatening conditions, many become extremely anxious or depressed. While this reaction may seem rational in the face of a frightening diagnosis and foreshortened life expectancy, it can interfere with people actually appreciating the days, weeks or months they have left. Dr. Johnson and other scientists have found that a session with psilocybin that results in a mystical experience can alter people’s lives dramatically. They have far less anxiety and depression and seem to find more purpose in their lives, along with other positive changes. How does this work? Dr. Johnson’s most recent publication (with colleagues) explores the nature of these mystical experiences (PLoS One, April 23, 2019). Our Radio Show Guests David Nichols, PhD, is an adjunct professor at the Eshelman School of Pharmacy at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. David Nichols had an active research program at Purdue University for 38 years prior to his retirement in June 2012. His research interests focused in two areas: the study of hallucinogens (psychedelics), where he was recognized as an international authority, and also discovery of novel D1 dopamine receptor full agonists, which showed efficacy comparable to levodopa in both animal models of Parkinson disease, and in human Parkinson patients. In 1993 he founded the Heffter Research Institute, which has encouraged and supported modern clinical studies of the psychedelic agent psilocybin (from “magic mushrooms”) for treatment of depression, anxiety, and various addictions. His general interests continue in the medicinal chemistry and pharmacology of CNS-active agents. Charles Nichols, PhD, is Professor of Pharmacology at Louisiana State University Health Sciences Center in New Orleans. As David Nichols’ son, he did not begin his career with the intention of studying hallucinogens. However, his current research interests include the molecular and behavioral effects of such compounds on the brain. Matthew W. Johnson, PhD, is Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Associate Center Director of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. The photograph of Dr. Johnson is courtesy of Johns Hopkins Magazine. The website is https://hopkinspsychedelic.org Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program is available for free. The show can be streamed online from this site and podcasts can be downloaded for free. Download the mp3 Want More? Here is our radio show # 1317: Psychedelic Compounds for Healing You can listen by clicking on the arrow inside the green circle under the photograph of Bryan Roth, MD, PhD at the top of the page. It’s super easy! You will learn about conditions that may respond to psychedelic compounds: Cluster Headaches Substance Use Disorders Depression and Distress Would You Consider LSD If There Were No Hallucinations? Investigators at University of California, Davis have modified LSD so that it does not cause hallucinations. The new compound, called JRT, appears to have some therapeutic benefit, however. That’s because it increases neuroplasticity. So far, the drug has only been tested in animals, but the initial responses appear promising. The hope is that JRT will have fast-acting antidepressant activity and may even be helpful against schizophrenia (...
Transcribe →Show 1469: Fresh Air & Sunlight: How Some Hospitals Are Rediscovering This Healing Secret
4w ago01:06:34Tap to summarizeHospitals can be pretty overwhelming. Sometimes you may feel like you need a map to find your way around the maze, not to mention a trusty guide to get you to the department or health professional that could actually help you overcome illness. In addition, being hospitalized often means being deprived of fresh air & sunlight. Could that be a mistake for proper healing? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen: You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, April 18, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on April 20, 2026. Striving for Person-Centered Care Wouldn’t it be great if healthcare facilities were specifically designed around the individuals they are supposed to serve? Fifty years ago, a group of physicians and former patients started Planetree to do exactly that. At first, Planetree provided information at a time when patients were rarely told what was wrong or how it could be addressed. There was also a Planetree ward in a hospital in the Bay Area that operated on principles of transparency and person-centered care. Over the next several decades, Planetree developed as a network of more than 300 health care facilities in 30 countries that strive to provide a home-like environment for healing. The main value is person-centered care, in which they strive to treat the whole person as well as that individual’s family or significant others. We invited Planetree President Michael Giuliano to tell us about it. He mentioned that one feature is getting your care summary in real time, so you can ask questions and correct errors before you leave the clinic or office. Fresh Air & Sunlight Built In One of the things that sets a Planetree hospital apart from other facilities is the way the values are visible in the architecture. Planetree planners put a premium on access to nature and outdoor space, though of course each facility does it a bit differently, according to its own plan. Rooms are set up so that people have access to fresh air & sunlight. That makes them feel more comfortable, certainly. Might it also promote healing? How Do Fresh Air & Sunlight Promote Healing? More than 150 years ago, Florence Nightingale set standards based on what she observed of soldiers healing from battle wounds and horrible infections during the Crimean War. This was, of course, before the development of antibiotics, so nursing care was paramount. Nurse Nightingale insisted on the primacy of fresh air & sunlight for her patients. Was this just a quaint old-fashioned idea, or is there modern scientific support? The Power of Near-Infrared For more information on the science of fresh air & sunlight (yes, there is science), we turn to Dr. Roger Seheult of MedCram.com. https://www.medcram.com/ He began by describing the brand new Footscray Hospital in West Melbourne. The design is something of a modern take on Florence Nightingale’s hospital plan, since the architects figured out how to get natural light and real ventilation in every room. They prioritized fresh air & sunlight in this $1.5 billion hospital because of their healing properties. People exposed to sunlight leave the hospital sooner because they recover more quickly. So the patient gets better and goes home faster, the hospital has a better bottom line and the insurance company pays less. Everybody wins! Probably a good part of the credit goes to near-infrared light. We can’t see it, but it penetrates our bodies and they react. Exposure to near-infrared at 850 nanometers improves mitochondrial function. You could get this from a device, but it is cheaper and arguably more pleasant simply to go outside and allow sunlight to fall on your skin soon after sunrise (or before 10 am) or just before sunset (probably after 4 pm). An Amazing Story About Fresh Air & Sunlight We’d be tempted to call this an unbelievable story, but Dr. Seheult provided all the details and checked the medical records himself, so we believe it. He told us about a 15-year-old boy with a serious blood cancer, acute lymphoblastic leukemia, ALL. This type of cancer undermines the immune response, and this young man had come down with a terrible fungal infection, mucormycosis. The fungus did not respond to medication, and it rampaged through his left lung. Ultimately, his doctors proposed removing the lung as a last-ditch method of controlling the infection. Unfortunately, when they found that the fungus had invaded his right lung, they were out of options. They figured he probably couldn’t survive much more than two days, so they asked him his last wishes. All he wanted was to go outside; at this point, he’d been cooped up in the hospital for two months. They fixed up a wheelchair to hold all his drips and took him outside. The next day, they did it again. The youth didn’t die as expected. Instead, he recovered completely, over time. We can’t put sunlight in a bottle, but perhaps oncologists and other doctors should consider writing prescriptions to cover it. This Week’s Guests Michael Giuliano is the President of Planetree International, a mission-driven non-profit organization setting the global standard for person- centered excellence across the continuum of care. Michael joined Planetree in 2022 as Chief Operating Officer (COO) following a decade of leadership roles in Australia’s public and private healthcare sectors. https://www.planetree.org/team-member/michael-giuliano Michael Giuliano, President of Planetree International Dr. Roger Seheult is an Associate Clinical Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine. He is also an Assistant Clinical Professor at the School of Medicine and Allied Health at Loma Linda University. He is quadruple board-certified in Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Diseases, Critical Care Medicine, and Sleep Medicine through the American Board of Internal Medicine. His current practice is in Beaumont, California. He is a critical care physician, pulmonologist, and sleep physician at Optum California. Dr. Seheult lectures routinely across the country at conferences and for medical, PA, and RT societies. He is the director of a sleep lab and the Medical Director for the Crafton Hills College Respiratory Care Program. 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Transcribe →Show 1468: Healing Joints and Nerves: The New Science of Regenerative Therapies
Apr 801:10:38Tap to summarizeMillions of Americans are in pain. Arthritic joints make exercise difficult, even though moving is one of the best things we can do for joint pain. Pinched nerves can cause excruciating, long-lasting pain. The usual treatments, such as NSAIDs, may help ease the pain momentarily, but do nothing to help heal the underlying condition. What do you know about the new science of regenerative therapies? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up‑to‑date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen: You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, April 11, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on April 13, 2026. The New Science of Regenerative Therapies What is the price of pain relief for aching, arthritic joints? We’re not talking about the drugstore sticker on a bottle of ibuprofen. Instead, we are referring to the potential negative consequences of utilizing such medicines for temporary symptomatic relief when the joint continues to hurt for weeks, months or years. Even more powerful treatments, such as corticosteroid injections into the sore joint, don’t heal the cartilage. In fact, they may contribute to further deterioration as they suppress the immune system. Our guest offers other ways to treat joint pain with regenerative therapies. Immune Mechanisms That Resolve Inflammation Dr. Tom Buchheit is a pain management specialist who has worked with elite athletes as well as seniors to get them moving well again after an injury. One of the reasons exercise can be so helpful is that the right kind and amount of movement creates good inflammation. Unlike chronic inflammation that causes further harm, good inflammation helps the immune system switch to a different phase, one in which destructive pathways are resolved. The three pillars of exercise are aerobic exercise, muscle building exercise and exercise to improve balance. Together, these types of exercise help recovery and healing and can even help heal damaged nerves. NSAIDs like naproxen, celecoxib or ibuprofen can interfere with the good inflammation exercise creates. Rather than taking such a pill before a game or workout, it makes sense to wait and take it afterwards if you need it. Will Exercise Wear Out Your Joints? Injury can damage the joints, but the idea of osteoarthritis as a consequence of wear and tear seems to be a medical myth. Instead, we might think of osteoarthritis as a chronic wound that may need regenerative therapies to heal properly. Immune system building blocks like omega-3 fats in the diet and a wide palette of colorful produce can help with the healing. Movement itself is part of the healing process. What Are the Regenerative Therapies? PRP Some of the therapies we think of as “new” have actually been in use for several decades. One of these is platelet-rich plasma, which was initially developed to help wounds heal. In this treatment, the doctor uses the patient’s own blood. The plasma with as many platelets as possible concentrated in it is then carefully injected into the painful joint. The idea, again, is to cause “good inflammation,” alerting the immune system that healing is needed here and encouraging it to flip into inflammation resolution mode. Not all studies of platelet-rich plasma (PRP) have shown benefit, but some of that may be due to using plasma that is not truly rich in platelets. Properly prepared PRP works especially well for ligaments and tendons, according to Dr. Buchheit. MSC If you hear someone talk of getting a “stem cell” injection, they are talking about MSC. They were originally misnamed mesenchymal stem cells, but would be better termed medicinal signaling cells. They too are derived from the patient’s own body. Rather than rebuilding cartilage, they also signal the immune system to switch from long-term damaging inflammation to short-term healing inflammation. This is also the idea behind prolotherapy, in which the therapist injects sugar water into the joint. That may sound like a placebo, but it can be effective at easing pain and helping healing. Autologous Conditioned Serum Dr. Buchheit describes another of the regenerative therapies, autologous conditioned serum. Blood is drawn and encouraged to clot; then the serum is injected into the troublesome joint. Clotting helps create powerful signals that healing is needed. This therapy is not widely available, as only about ten places in the US have the dedicated laboratories required to prepare ACS properly. Hydrodissection Dr. Buchheit also describes how to use injections to free up trapped nerves in a process called “hydrodissection.” This is often very helpful in alleviating chronic neuropathy. We conclude the episode with a brief reminder of how to stay healthy once you get nerves and joints feeling good again. This Week’s Guest Thomas Buchheit, MD, served as Chief of Pain Medicine at Duke from 2013-2019 and led several NIH- and DoD-funded research studies. His focus is on immune mechanisms that resolve inflammation and pain. In 2025, Dr. Buchheit completed his book, Healing Joints and Nerves: Immune Stimulation and the New Science of Regenerative Therapies, and founded Triangle Regen Medicine and Biologics Center. His overarching goal is to help patients understand and use regenerative therapies to activate their own healing and repair mechanisms. He continues to serve as adjunct associate professor at Duke and collaborates with colleagues at the Center for Translational Pain Medicine. His website is https://triregenmed.com/ Dr. Tom Buchheit The People’s Pharmacy is supported by readers and listeners. When you buy through a link on this site, we may receive a small commission, at no additional cost to you. Listen to the Podcast The podcast of this program will be available Monday, April 13, 2026, after broadcast on April 11. The podcast has additional information about how to use MSC as well as the cost of regenerative therapies. We also discuss the pros and cons of pharmaceutical pain relievers. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. Download the show on mp3, or listen to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Transcript of Show 1468: A transcript of this show was created using automated speech-to-text software (AI-powered transcription), then carefully reviewed and edited for clarity. While we’ve done our best to ensure both readability and accuracy, please keep in mind that some mistakes may remain. If you have any questions regarding the content of this show, we encourage you to review the original audio recording. This transcript is copyrighted material, all rights reserved. No part of this transcript may be reproduced, distributed, or transmitted in any form without prior written permission. Joe 00:00-00:01 I’m Joe Graedon. Terry 00:01-00:05 And I’m...
Transcribe →Show 1429: How to Love Your Liver and Protect its Superpowers (Archive)
Apr 201:09:25Tap to summarizeThis week, Joe and Terry discuss liver health with two specialists. You may not have spent much time thinking about your liver. It is, however, an absolutely essential organ. When the liver is working properly, every part of the body gets the nutrients it needs and no parts are exposed to damaging toxins. These are among its superpowers. Find out why you should love your liver. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream on Saturday, April 4, 2026, at 7 am EDT on your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on April 6, 2026. Love Your Liver: Nutrients don’t go directly from the intestines to the rest of the body. Instead, they pass through the liver first. There, this master organ breaks them down into compounds that can be recognized and utilized by individual tissues and cells. Moreover, if it finds nasty chemicals that shouldn’t be there, it utilizes its superpowers to transform them into less damaging compounds that can be more readily excreted. You should also love your liver because it can store nutrients for unanticipated periods of fasting and hold off starvation. This was a tremendous benefit during earlier periods of human evolution. These days, we have less need for a hedge against starvation. In fact, when we overload our livers with alcohol or sugar, even its superpowers may not be adequate. The liver’s response to this kind of insult is fibrosis, a condition in which it stiffens and stores fat. Liver Disease: One of the liver’s superpowers is that it can regenerate itself so long as we remove the source of injury. That’s pretty remarkable! But what if we keep on eating ultra-processed foods (Nutrients, May 10, 2023) and drinking soda or alcohol? In that case, the liver continues to try to repair itself. That can change the architecture of the tiny blood vessels that run through the liver, raising the pressure within them and ultimately leading to serious complications. Fatty liver disease, correctly termed metabolic-associated steatohepatitis (MASH), is the first step; cirrhosis and ultimately liver failure might follow. How Do You Know If Your Liver Is Healthy? The liver is so effective at maintaining the body in balance that most people don’t develop symptoms of trouble until liver disease is quite advanced. As a result, the best way to keep tabs on liver health is through blood tests. Tests for the liver enzymes called ALT and AST are common and often used to assess liver health. Agents That Can Help or Harm the Liver: If you love your liver, consider drinking a cup or two of black coffee daily. This has been shown to help the liver fight inflammation and overcome early-stage liver fibrosis (Redox Biology, March 2025). Another precaution to take: avoid excess acetaminophen. This is the pain-relieving ingredient in Tylenol and hundreds of other over-the-counter medications. Doctors consider it safe for occasional use at doses under 4,000 mg in a day. Chronic use might call for lower doses yet. Because it is so widespread, people may mistakenly take several different medicines containing acetaminophen (paracetamol in the rest of the world) and end up exceeding the maximum dose by accident. Liver experts like our guest Dr. Ahmad treat such emergencies with a medicine called N-acetylcysteine. Other pain relievers, such as NSAIDs, are less likely than acetaminophen to damage the liver. Dangerous reactions to such drugs are unpredictable, however, which can make them harder to manage. Fluoroquinolone antibiotics such as Levaquin and corticosteroids like methylprednisolone also fall into this category. Oral antifungal drugs can also be very hard on the liver. Herbs That Can Challenge the Liver: Pharmaceuticals are not the only compounds that may test the liver’s detoxifying superpowers. Botanical medicines can also cause challenges. Dr. Ahmad has treated people whose liver injuries were caused by green tea extract, turmeric, kratom or ashwagandha. Most people taking such supplements are attempting to improve their health, so discovering that instead they have developed liver damage is a nasty surprise. If you love your liver, stick with drinking green tea and eating curry rather than taking pills with concentrated extracts. This Week’s Guests: Meena Bansal, MD, is Professor of Medicine, specializing in liver diseases, at the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. She is System Chief of the Division of Liver Diseases and Director of the MASH/NASH Center of Excellence at Mount Sinai. Meena Bansal, MD, Professor of Medicine Mt. Sinai, photo courtesy of Mt. Sinai Jawad Ahmad, MD, is a professor of liver diseases at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine. He is co Primary Investigator on the NIH/NIDDK research initiative to study cases of severe liver injury caused by prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, and alternative medicines, such as herbal products and supplements. For more information on the Drug-Induced Liver Injury Network (DILIN) visit: https://researchfunding.duke.edu/drug-induced-liver-injury-network-dilin-clinical-centers-u01-clinical-trial-optional Jawad Ahmad, MD, Professor of Medicine at Mount Sinai, photo courtesy of Mt. Sinai Listen to the Podcast: The podcast of this program will be available Monday, April 6, 2026, after broadcast on April 4. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free.
Transcribe →Show 1467: Can You Disagree Without Fighting? Building Bridges, Not Battles!
Mar 2501:06:23Tap to summarizeA chance encounter with a stranger on an airplane offers lessons for all of us in how to disagree without fighting. Infectious disease expert Morgan Goheen, MD, was wary when the person in the seat next to hers struck up a conversation with questions about the origins of Lyme disease and the value of being vaccinated against COVID. His views were quite different from hers. Yet they managed, in the course of the flight, to exchange perspectives in a respectful manner. Can we all learn how to do that? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, March 28, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on March 30, 2026. Can You Disagree Without Fighting? Dr. Goheen did her best to answer the questions her seatmate had. She also listened carefully to his description of life during the pandemic, particularly his objections to mandatory vaccination and his fears of a reaction to the vaccine. As a health care provider, she had been working in a hospital that was overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients. Far too many of them died, and at the height of the pandemic, most died alone rather than with family nearby. She was able to recognize that this had colored her perception of the pandemic and had led her not to give enough attention to the real economic hardship some public health mandates triggered. The Value of Vaccines Before the polio vaccine was developed, parents lived in terror of polio epidemics that would tear through communities, leaving some children paralyzed and a few dead. We no longer have to fear polio, pertussis, diphtheria or measles because vaccines can protect children from these common diseases. In a sense, though, their very success has led to skepticism of their value. Most Americans do not know anyone who has died of pertussis (aka whooping cough) because the majority of children have been vaccinated against this pathogen. Recently, there have been few birth defects caused by rubella because pregnant women can be protected from the infection. Can Trust Be Regained? During the pandemic, opinions became polarized. People who would once have trusted the FDA or the CDC became suspicious. Public health messages about masking were initially based on conjecture, because no one had conducted actual studies until later in the pandemic. The nature of this new virus and its transmission was not yet well understood. Yet authorities occasionally made dogmatic pronouncements, possibly out of fear. Some opportunities to build trust were squandered, and it will take time and patience to get it back. Learning to disagree without fighting is a great place to start. Learning to Disagree Without Fighting After talking with Dr. Goheen, we turn to Dr. Laura Gilliom. She is a clinical psychologist active in the Braver Angels movement. This organization brings people together to bridge the partisan divide. The volunteers run workshops in which people with divergent viewpoints discuss issues of the day. They model basic approaches to good communication, including treating the other person in the conversation with respect. It is important to listen for understanding of the intellectual and emotional bases for their perspective. After all, people have reasons for their opinions. Even if you don’t understand them, those reasons make a lot of sense to them and are usually the result of significant life experiences. When you speak, the aim is not to win the argument, but to be heard and understood. That is also the goal as you listen–to understand where the other person is coming from. When Braver Angels bring people together, all agree to state their views freely and without fear. That isn’t always the case in other situations. Sometimes people fail to speak out because they are afraid of the possible reaction. Another rule for Braver Angels interactions is that people treat each other, including those who disagree, with honesty, dignity and respect. Curiosity and kindness are also critical when we talk with people whose views are very different from ours. In some situations, it may be appropriate to reflect back what you have heard and ask if that is a fair representation of what they said. Before sharing your own ideas, you might ask permission. One other point to keep in mind: humans sometimes make mistakes. That might apply to those on “our side” as well as to those on a different side. Humility can help. This Week’s Guests Morgan Goheen, MD, PhD, serves as faculty Instructor in the Section of Infectious Diseases within the Department of Internal Medicine at Yale School of Medicine. As a physician scientist, her current research focuses on the mosquito vector’s role in malaria transmission dynamics and drug resistance spread in sub-Saharan Africa with lab work based in the Epidemiology of Microbial Diseases Department in the Yale School of Public Health. Within her clinical specialty of infectious diseases, Dr. Goheen has specific interest in tropical medicine and helped start the Travel and Tropical Medicine Clinic at the Yale Center for Infectious Diseases. Dr. Goheen is a Public Voices Fellow of The OpEd Project in Partnership with Yale University. https://www.theopedproject.org/fellowships. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/infectious-disease-doctor-anti-vaccine-airplane_n_68d2e961e4b03fb4d93463e7 Laura Gilliom, PhD, is a licensed clinical psychologist in Chapel Hill, North Carolina, a State Coordinator for Braver Angels, and a member of the Central NC Alliance of Braver Angels. https://nc.braverangels.org/ Listen to the Podcast The podcast of this program will be available Monday, March 30, 2026, after broadcast on March 28. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free.
Transcribe →Show 1466: Could Hidden Infections Be Driving Chronic Disease?
Mar 1901:23:27Tap to summarizeChronic diseases make up the bulk of the problems that modern health care must address. Each condition seems to have its own drivers–cholesterol for heart disease, airway hyperreactivity for asthma, neurotransmitter imbalance for depression and other psychiatric disorders, a buildup of amyloid beta in the brain for Alzheimer disease. What if all these conditions had similar origins? Today we’ll consider the evidence suggesting that hidden infections may be driving many chronic diseases. At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen You could listen to this conversation through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, March 21, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on March 23, 2026. How You Can Watch our Interview with Nikki Schultek: Here is the YouTube video podcast of our interview with Nikki. We think you will find it compelling. Treating the causes of chronic diseases instead of the symptoms makes sense to us. How Could Hidden Infections Be Driving Chronic Disease? Nikki’s Story We begin this episode with the personal account of Nikki Schultek. She is a patient who has transformed herself into a research leader after a horrendous experience with unexplained chronic disease. She was a healthy active young mother whose lifelong well-controlled asthma suddenly took a dramatic turn for the worse. She then developed atypical pneumonia, heart arrhythmia and interstitial cystitis, along with a slew of autoimmune conditions. All the doctors could tell her was that these were idiopathic conditions driven by inflammation. As she notes, “idiopathic” basically is doctor-speak for we don’t understand what is going on here. When she developed neurodegenerative symptoms that made her physician suspect MS, she was terrified. That low point became a turning point. Her background had equipped her to read scientific studies, so she began trying to figure out what was driving chronic disease in her own situation. A search linking atypical pneumonia and interstitial cystitis led her to the clinician who was able to help her regain her health, Dr. Charles Stratton. He had conducted a small study linking both conditions to a respiratory infection caused by Chlamydia pneumoniae. What Is Chlamydia pneumoniae? When people hear “Chlamydia,” they think immediately of the sexually transmitted infection caused by Chlamydia trachomatis. Although the organisms are related, they have completely different modes of transmission. People catch C. pneumoniae (Noo-mo-knee-eye) simply by breathing in air that contains infectious respiratory particles. These bacteria are extremely common, but it is difficult to detect an infection. That’s because C. pneumoniae hides out inside human cells. It doesn’t show up in blood tests or urine cultures. The study that caught Nikki’s eye used PCR, polymerase chain reaction, which detects DNA. That analysis revealed that 80 percent of the women in the study with interstitial cystitis had C. pneumoniae. The researchers concluded that this sneaky pathogen can lead to chronic inflammation. The Link Between C. pneumoniae and Asthma Remember that Nikki’s troubles started with a severe asthma exacerbation. Research has shown a link between that infection and hard-to-treat asthma (PLoS One, April 19, 2021). When Dr. Stratton tested Nikki, they discovered that she indeed harbored a C. pneumoniae infection. The treatment required multiple antibiotics over a prolonged period of time. Luckily, it eventually cleared the interstitial cystitis, the neurodegenerative symptoms, the other autoimmune problems and brought her asthma back under control. Other Pathogens Causing Trouble C. pneumoniae was not the only germ lurking in Nikki’s body. She discovered that she also carried Borrelia burgdorferi, the organism that causes Lyme disease. In addition, an examination of her red blood cells revealed both Babesia and Bartonella, possibly transmitted by the same tick bite that gave her the Lyme disease. These experiences inspired Nikki to start the Intracell Research Group, the Pathobiome Research Center and the Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative. All are aimed at discovering if hidden infections such as C. pneumoniae or Babesia or Borrelia burgdorferi could be driving chronic disease such as dementia. More Research on Covert Pathogens Driving Chronic Disease One of Nikki’s colleagues at the Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative as well as at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine is Dr. Brian Balin. He has spent more than 25 years studying the connections between C. pneumoniae infections and brain inflammation. This, in turn, has been linked to neuroinflammation and dementia. Dr. Balin points out that respiratory pathogens like C. pneumoniae are accustomed to entering the body through the nose. The nose offers access not only to the respiratory tract, but also to the brain. However, it can be difficult to detect microbes in the brain while the patient remains alive. This has limited research on infection and cognitive impairment in the past (Alzheimer’s & Dementia, Nov. 2023). The COVID pandemic poses another huge risk. Like C. pneumoniae, the SARS-CoV-2 virus often enters the body through the nose. From there, it has ready access to the brain (Frontiers in Aging Neuroscience, June 13, 2025). Further, when the immune cells called macrophages respond to these infections, they engulf the pathogen and may carry it throughout the body. Might long COVID be the latest example of unacknowledged infection driving chronic disease? What Are the Implications for Treatment? If it can be firmly established that pathogens trigger the inflammation driving chronic disease, that offers several different approaches for treatment. First, we would need to use a high level of suspicion and appropriate technology (such as PCR) to detect infection. These bugs don’t show up through urine cultures or other typical diagnostic techniques. Secondly, we would need to figure out treatment strategies. Antibiotics can be useful, but they may not be the only tools. Vaccines could help the body fight off these pathogens. Specific antibodies might also be developed to block them. In addition, phage therapies targeted to specific bacteria may also work when antibiotics cannot. If you are unfamiliar with the idea of phage therapy, you might want to listen to our radio shows on this topic. Just think of these viruses the way you think of the enemy of my enemy. That entity becomes your friend! Here are some interviews you may find intriguing: Show 1155: Can Bacteriophages Save Your Life? Show 1407: Battling Superbugs with Nature’s Viral Warriors This Week’s Guests Nikki Schultek is Founding Director of the Pathobiome Research Center, and Research Assistant Professor at Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine , Executive Director and Co-Founder of the Alzheimer’s Pathobiome Initiative (AlzPI), and Principal and Founder of Intracell Research Group, LLC. A former life sciences professional with Pfizer and Genentech, she now works to unite global researchers studying infection-associated chronic illnesses, including Alzheimer’s disease and other brain diseases. Following her own recovery from Lyme Disease, Chlamydia pneumoniae and co-infections, Nikki builds and leads patient-centered interdisciplinary research collaborations to examine microbial drivers of chronic diseases. She has catalyzed philanthropic funding to launch AlzPI research at multiple academic centers and co-lead authored ...
Transcribe →Show 1465: Food Fight! Should We Flip the Food Pyramid Upside-Down?
Mar 1201:06:34Tap to summarizeEvery five years, the Departments of Agriculture and of Health and Human Services jointly issue guidelines on what we should eat. The most recent Dietary Guidelines for Americans (2025-2030) have been controversial. [Here is a link: https://www.dietaryguidelines.gov] Among other things, the administration decided to flip the food pyramid upside-down in illustrating its recommendations. Why did that cause such a stir, and what will it mean for you? At The People’s Pharmacy, we strive to bring you up to date, rigorously researched insights and conversations about health, medicine, wellness and health policies and health systems. While these conversations intend to offer insight and perspective, the content is provided solely for informational and educational purposes. Please consult your healthcare provider before making any changes to your medical care or treatment. How You Can Listen: You could listen through your local public radio station or get the live stream at 7 am EST on Saturday, March 14, 2026, through your computer or smart phone (wunc.org). Here is a link so you can find which stations carry our broadcast. If you can’t listen to the broadcast, you may wish to hear the podcast later. You can subscribe through your favorite podcast provider, download the mp3 using the link at the bottom of the page, or listen to the stream on this post starting on March 16, 2026. Why Flip the Food Pyramid? Nobody has actually explained to us why they decided to flip the food pyramid on its head. The food pyramid itself debuted in 1991 as an illustration of what we should eat, but many people found it confusing. In 2011, it was replaced by a MyPlate graphic. So why return to the food pyramid now, especially upside-down? Our guest, noted nutrition researcher Christopher Gardner, suggest that it might be a way of denoting dramatic changes from previous guidance. Spoiler alert: only a few details are dramatically different. The main changes are a commendable emphasis on eating real food and attention to red meat as a protein source and full-fat rather than low-fat dairy products. Do Americans Need More Protein? If you pay attention at the supermarket, you’ll probably notice that a lot of product tout their protein content. Even things that don’t seem like they’d stand out as sources of protein (granola, pancake mix) are being offered in containers emblazoned with the promise of protein. Surprisingly, though, this is not a response to an urgent need. Most Americans get adequate protein and don’t need to concentrate on increasing their intake. Might it be a marketing tool? Should We Worry About Dairy as We Flip the Food Pyramid? Generally, public health experts recommend that we avoid foods high in saturated fat such as butter or cheese and opt instead for lower fat items, like skim milk. Consuming excessive amounts of saturated fat can raise blood levels of dangerous LDL cholesterol. On the other hand, Dr. Gardner points out that dairy fat differs in some ways from the saturated fats in meat, for instance. We don’t have enough studies to evaluate health consequences of consuming full-fat dairy. Will that raise cholesterol? Might it increase the chance of heart disease? We still need more research to be able to tell. What About Eggs? Speaking of cholesterol, what about eggs? For decades, Americans were warned not to eat eggs. Experts thought these cholesterol-rich foods would raise the level of cholesterol in our blood. But although eggs are high in cholesterol, they are low in saturated fat. Joe describes an astonishing experiment in which a person ate two dozen eggs a day. After a month, his LDL cholesterol was lower than when he started. Dr. Gardner remarks that we need to know not only what we are eating, but also instead of what and with what. Eggs with sausage and cheese are quite different from a veggie frittata. What’s for Breakfast? Let’s consider what people might be eating for breakfast instead of eggs. Quick toaster pastries, sweetened cereal, orange juice and toast with jam are all popular options that are high in refined carbohydrates. At least for some people, such foods may make blood sugar and insulin spike. That could lead to a midmorning crash, which in turn could encourage someone to have a midmorning snack. Is that a bad idea? Maybe it is one reason to flip the food pyramid. If We Flip the Food Pyramid, Will It Help with Weight Loss? Dr. Gardner has run studies comparing the results of healthful low-carb diets to healthful low-fat diets. He and his colleagues found no significant difference in the weight loss people experienced on average. But none of us is an average person. The range of responses to these diets was huge, with some people losing a lot of weight and other losing none or even gaining. How to Lose Weight Based on this research, it seems no single diet will work for everyone. What makes a big difference is satiety. If what you eat makes you feel full and keeps you feeling full, it will help keep you from eating too much. No need to flip the food pyramid in that case. And, says Dr. Gardner, no need to rely on continuous glucose monitors unless your blood sugar is out of range. Just paying attention to how food makes you feel and to the maxim Eat Real Food will be a pretty good guide for most of us. Dietary Guidelines That Flip the Food Pyramid Shape Food for Kids One important way that the Dietary Guidelines for Americans are implemented is school lunch. Institutions receiving funds from the federal government must follow these guidelines. Substituting minimally processed foods for the inexpensive ultraprocessed foods that are currently found on many school menus will probably be more expensive. The new guidelines also recommend that kids not get any foods with added sugar until they are at least ten years old. That would be a big difference in children’s diets, at as big as when we flip the food pyramid. Is it practical? This Week’s Guest Christopher Gardner, PhD, is a nutrition researcher. He is the director of nutrition studies at the Stanford Prevention Research Center and the Rehnborg Farquhar Professor of Medicine at Stanford University. Christopher Gardner, PhD, director of nutrition studies at the Stanford Prevention Research Center and the Rehnborg Farquhar Professor of Medicine at Stanford University Listen to the Podcast The podcast of this program will be available Monday, March 16, 2026, after broadcast on March 14. You can stream the show from this site and download the podcast for free. In this episode, Dr. Gardner discusses the types of fat he uses in his kitchen and why. What oils does he choose for sautés or salad dressing? What is his perspective on olive oil? what does he eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner, and what is he buying at the market? Download the mp3, or listen to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Transcript of Show 1465: transcript of this show was created using automated speech-to-text software (AI-powered transcription), then carefully reviewed and edited for clarity. While we’ve done our best to ensure both readability and accuracy, please keep in mind that some mistakes may remain. If you have any questions regarding the content of this show, we encourage you to review the original audio recording. This transcript is copyrighted material, all rights reserved. No part of this transcript may be reproduced, distributed, or trans...
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