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What an important conversation with wise seasoned clinician, writer, and somatic couples therapist Jordan Dann we have for you today. Jordan illuminates how implicit attachment dynamics play out in couples (that alone is worth the listen!), we talk about the drama triangle (something that was so powerful for me to learn and work with in the last year), shifting from codependence to interdependence, and we really touch on and tackle this exact moment, where these dynamics are playing out on the national stage.

She talks about "trauma porn," and this exact moment our society is in, witnessing heaps of harm without repair and what that does to our systems, and we both get teary talking about the human-to-human connection we can have in the streets, the post office, and how it feeds the field of humanity we're all swimming in.

This was such an honor to speak with Jordan, and anyone struggling with their partner right now would so benefit from her work! She has a course for couples on her website here: https://jordandann.com/And her IG links all of her work, including her passionate wise Substack. Enjoy the episode!!