David Epstein is a scientist-turned-investigative journalist, author of "Range," and one of the most rigorous thinkers working today.

This conversation explores his new book "Inside the Box," the counterintuitive argument that limits, not freedom, are what unlock our best work. We cover the sharpshooter problem, the satisficing framework, attention in the algorithmic age, goal-setting versus opportunistic pivots, and what transformation actually looks like.

He turns the lens on me, and what emerges is one of the more honest exchanges I've had about goals, autonomy, and the long game.

David is a rare mind. This one's worth your full attention. Enjoy!

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David Epstein On Why Constraints Drive Creativity, The Myth Of Productive Freedom, & How Limits Make Us Better