Roll On, al fresco!

Adam Skolnick came over. We went outside and let the conversation breathe. No studio walls. No agenda. Just two guys, some birds, and a wide-ranging hang that covers self-obsession as the enemy of growth, the dork problem in modern podcasting, and why 14 years in, we're playing again.

Then we roam: Geese, Turnstile, Mike D in a Malibu parking lot, Julie Piatt's Manger debut, Ed O'Brien of Radiohead in a church at SXSW, a joyride through Austin in the Rivian R2, the Dean Potter documentary, and Artemis II.

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