Crashing Out, Mormon Secret Lives, & Listener Tea

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Southern Tea

Episode: "Crashing Out, Mormon Secret Lives, & Listener Tea"
Host: Lindsie Chrisley (w/ Madison)
Date: March 18, 2026

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Episode Overview

This lively episode captures Lindsie Chrisley (joined by Madison) in classic unfiltered, Southern-comfort style. Lindsie walks listeners through a crash-and-burn week in her own life, shares tea on motherhood, personal boundaries, therapy journeys, and reality TV (especially "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives"). She also dives into listener voicemails, offering real-talk advice with plenty of humor and empathy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Crashing Out – Realities of Parenting a Teen Boy

• Wake-up Struggles & Teenage Chaos (02:57–09:54)

  • Lindsie details the hilarious and exasperating experience of trying to wake up her son Jackson, who oversleeps despite loud TV fire crackling and alarm clocks.
  • "Please tell me why 47 minutes later, the water is still running. So I bust through that bathroom door and I'm like, what the is going on in here? Like, why are you still in the shower? Sleeping in the shower floor." — Lindsie (05:43)
  • Madison and Lindsie commiserate on the universal realities of kids and their "pencil nubs" and messy rooms—symptoms of middle school boyhood.

• School Struggles & Accountability (06:19–09:54)

  • Missing assignments, behavior points, and the frustration of rewarding less-than-great behavior out of necessity.

• Petty Middle School Supplies (09:20–10:15)

  • Losing and decimating hundreds of pencils—Lindsie laughs at the rite-of-passage anecdote for boy moms.

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2. Reality TV Review: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

• Favorites & Authenticity (10:15–14:33)

  • Team Miranda! Lindsie likes Miranda's authenticity over other, possibly performative castmates.

• Reality TV as Opportunity (11:19–12:56)

  • "Unless you are in it, you don't understand it, but why wouldn't you take the opportunity?" — Lindsie (11:52)
  • Discussion of controversy when cast members leverage the platform for other reality gigs.

• Motherhood & Postpartum on TV (15:19–18:48)

  • Dialog about the challenges of filming cycles, postpartum realities, and the public's quick judgment.

• Intimacy and Marriage Struggles (16:26–18:44)

  • Lindsie relates to cast members' challenges with young marriage, lack of experience, and figuring out intimacy—comparing her own journey to that of Jessica Simpson & Nick Lachey.

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3. Toxic Relationship Cycles & Guest Reflections

• Taylor’s Pre-Bachelorette Hook-up (19:06–24:47)

  • Discussion of Taylor’s on-and-off again, “addictive” relationship cycles. Both hosts connect with the complexity and shame involved.
  • "Sometimes...when you have a kid with somebody, you love them in such a different way because there's that mutual bond that's really hard to break, regardless whether it's toxic or not." — Lindsie (21:51)
  • Lindsie vulnerably shares her own experience continuing intimacy with her ex-husband even while navigating divorce.

• Breaking the Cycle (24:53–25:22)

  • Importance of stepping away, dating, or finding an external accountability to avoid slipping back into unhealthy relational ruts.

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4. Listener Tea: Co-Parenting and Stepparent Drama

• Managing Stepparent Tension (66:22–71:28)

  • Advice for bio moms dealing with difficult stepmoms. Support for boundaries, using shared digital calendars, and not letting the child become the messenger.
  • "Your obligation is not to her, and her obligation is not necessarily to you. It's to your ex and to the relationship they have with your daughter." — Lindsie (69:04)
  • Madison shares perspective from a child of divorce, reinforcing the value of stability and avoiding adult conflict spillover.

• Embracing New Partnerships Post-Divorce

  • Lindsie confides that she’s now open-minded: “If Will brought somebody else into his life and they were a decent, kind, loving human being, I would probably feel more comfortable communicating with the woman and not Will…because I've dated people with children and seen me being the outsider.” — (70:37–71:28)

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5. Mental Health, Therapy, and Personal Glow-Up

• Therapy Journeys (52:11–58:39)

  • Lindsie shares about starting with a new in-person therapist, feeling excited (and nervous) about EMDR to address trauma and “the downfall of David.” She emphasizes the importance of leaving emotional baggage “at the office.”
  • "[Virtual therapy] worked for me through the divorce process...but now my mindset's totally different. I want to go into a therapy office so that I can leave that stuff there." — Lindsie (53:55)

• On Growing Up Without Therapy (58:39–62:11)

  • Lindsie and Madison reflect on their childhoods, noting how not addressing childhood/family trauma lingers into adulthood.

• Self-Care and ‘Glow Up’ Goals (41:08–45:09)

  • Meal prepping, skin appointments, dentist visits, hair bleaching—all part of Lindsie’s determination to “glow up,” make better routines, and feel empowered.

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6. Life’s Little Mishaps & Southern Relatability

• Ordering Plants and Home Chaos (32:24–36:12)

  • Lindsie’s serial plant shopping (and lack of post-purchase planning) lead to boxed-up hydrangeas, bleach disasters in laundry, and comedic domestic fails.

• Wardrobe Fails (36:16–38:57)

  • The perils of bleach on laundry, targeting brand shout-outs, and the budgeting pain of ruined favorite pants.

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7. Voicemail: Listener Shares Wild Relationship Story

• Distorted Voicemail Confession (71:46–76:19)
  • A caller tells a jaw-dropping story about a relationship with a man whose undisclosed sexual interests unfolded months in, leading to uncomfortable role-play, bisexual exploration, and unveiled secrets.
  • "If you were in any type of situation and you were doing something that you're uncomfortable with, regardless of… the amount of time you have invested, don't do it." —Lindsie (74:13)
  • Lindsie and Madison react with empathy, humor, and real talk about agency, consent, and brutal surprises in the dating world.

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8. Viral Cheating Video & "Girls' Girls"

• Cheating, Loyalty Tests & Girlfriends' Codes (62:32–65:01)
  • Lindsie and Madison discuss a viral video about loyalty tests exposing cheating men. They celebrate the power of “girls’ girls”—women who have each other's backs.
  • “Have you ever talked to a woman? [She] will always be a little bit smarter. We'll always know what's going on before you even…” — Madison (63:31)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• "Sleeping in the shower floor." — Lindsie (05:43) [on the exasperating realities of motherhood]
• "Unless you're in it, you don't understand it, but why wouldn't you take the opportunity?" — Lindsie (11:52) [on career moves via reality TV]
• "Sometimes...when you have a kid with somebody, you love them in such a different way because there's that mutual bond..." — Lindsie (21:51)
• "Your obligation is not to her…It's to your ex and to the relationship they have with your daughter." — Lindsie (69:04)
• "If you were in any type of situation and you were doing something that you're uncomfortable with...don't do it." — Lindsie (74:13)
• "Have you ever talked to a woman? We'll always be a little bit smarter." — Madison (63:31)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Crashing Out – Parenting Stories: 02:57–09:54
• Reality TV Deep Dive: 10:15–18:44
• Relationship Toxic Cycles: 19:06–25:22, 21:51–24:47 (personal reflections)
• Co-parenting & Stepparent Advice: 66:22–71:28
• Therapy & Mental Health: 52:11–58:39, 58:39–62:11
• Viral Cheating Video Discussion: 62:32–65:01
• Listener Voicemail – Wild Relationship Story: 71:46–76:19

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode blends candid southern warmth, wit, self-deprecation, and honesty. From shedding light on the unglamorous moments of motherhood, to navigating heartbreak, friendship, and personal growth, Lindsie and Madison keep the conversation grounded and relatable. Real-life advice for listeners gets balanced with pop culture updates and laugh-out-loud personal mishaps. The underlying message: self-awareness, boundaries, and honest communication are essential, and it’s okay to lean on your girlfriends—and laugh through the mess.

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For more tea, advice, or to share your own stories, listeners are invited to call the Southern Tea hotline: [phone].

Transcript

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Madison]

What's the Alani of the morning?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The Al? Well, this is my second Alani of the morning.

[Madison]

Only noon.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

When I say crash out yesterday, I'm going to tell you all about it. But I had. My favorite flavor is the Cosmic Stardust. My second favorite flavor is the Breezeberry. But have you tried the new lime one?

[Madison]

No. Is it good?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like lime slush? It tastes exactly like. I'm trying to think Key lime pie.

[Howie Mandel]

Ooh.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I can't eat a key lime pie because I am allergic to baking soda. So I can't have, like, any sweets or anything like that. And so when I tasted it for the first time, one of my girlfriends was like, you've got to go and get it. And I'm like, where is the Alani plug for the new lime slush? And she's like, kroger has it stocked. I went and got it. And my entire fridge now looks like I'm on MTV Cribs.

[Madison]

Oh, my God. That's amazing. That's amazing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, let me tell you about my crash out yesterday.

[Madison]

Yeah, let's hear about it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm sure people who listen. Some people probably have teenagers. Okay. You know how we talked about, like, 13 on not, like, last week's episode, but the week before? Mm.

[Madison]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, he stopped getting himself up. That lasted, you know, like, all of three days.

[Madison]

Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And we're just listening. Okay, so number one, does anybody listen to, like, fire crackling on their TV or, like, ocean scene or whatever when you go to bed?

[Madison]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, well, please tell me why for the past three nights, I thought that my house was on fire. Because you hear from the bedroom, it's just like, oh, my God. So the volumes turned up so loud on the crackling, like we're at a campfire that we can no longer hear an alarm.

[Madison]

So yesterday morning, from his, like, TV or.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, TV. Like, they have.

[Madison]

It's like, like, on YouTube, right?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know if it's on YouTube. It's like, on certain TVs, it comes, like, installed.

[Madison]

Oh, okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And so I guess the TVs that we have it just, like, automatically installed, and you can just kind of, like, scroll through it. So if you want to listen to the ocean, you can listen to the ocean. Or obviously, you know, a house fire, you can do that as well. Well, he listens to it so loud that you can hear it in other rooms of the house. I don't know what's going on. The alarm is just, like, ringing, going off, going off. And I'm like.

[Madison]

I feel like whenever an alarm goes off, for me, I automatically, like, wake up. Like, I'm awake. Like, I hate the repeating noise over and over. It drives me insane.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, so are you an immediate. Like, you jump out of the bed or are you a snoozer?

[Madison]

I mean, I'll wake up. It's like getting up probably, like, 10 minutes. Like, I'll look at my phone or something, and then I'll get up.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, so I am a habitual snoozer. I set my alarm for, like, maybe 20 minutes. Before I actually need to be up. And then I snooze every five minutes for the 20 minutes.

[Madison]

Wow. And it's like, what?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What's wrong with me? So I go in there and I'm like, you need to get up, like out of your bed. Please tell me why there are soft drink cans upstairs after you've already brushed your teeth for bed. I've made sure that you're like, safe and good. There are Welch's gummy wrappers all over the floor. It. I mean, we had a full blown rave in that room. Okay. The retainer's just laying in the bed next to the cell phone. Like, not in the mouth. And I don't know anybody else who's listening to this, but if you've ever paid for like orthodontics for your children and they do not wear their retainer, this is payback for what I did.

[Madison]

Yeah, it's like money in the trash.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's money down the drain. So he gets in the shower. Mind you, I give him an entire hour and 15 minutes to get ready as a 13 year old boy. Please tell me why 47 minutes later, I still hear the water. 7, 47, 47 clock it. Okay, 47 minutes later, the water is still running. So I bust through that bathroom door and I'm like, what the is going on in here? Like, why are you still in the shower? Sleeping in the shower floor.

[Madison]

What?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Sleeping with water running over him? Sleeping in the shower floor.

[Madison]

Is everything okay?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. No. So I'm like, okay, we've got to get out the door. Like, you literally have four minutes to get out this door. He's not out the door in four minutes. Take him to Chick Fil A to get breakfast. Which I know people would say, okay, well, I'm rewarding the bad behavior by doing that. But I didn't have time to do anything at home and he didn't have time to eat at home, so I had to get him something. Please tell me why I go on my email yesterday where multiple assignments that were supposed to be done in school were not completed and multiple behavior points were taken off from being off task. When my child digs his heels in, he's like, the whole day is.

[Madison]

It can't just be like one thing. It has to be a slew of everything else. It's the worst day ever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It is a full blown commitment. And I'm like, this is what we're not doing. So my ex husband calls me and he's like, top of the morning, how's everything? Going, do not call me. Do not call me, because this is what I'm dealing with. Also remember when was it Kayl and I that were talking about needles? I don't know if that episode yet.

[Madison]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So you can't find them anywhere around here.

[Madison]

Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, it is. You would be striking gold if you went into like a CVS or a Walgreens and happened to get your hands on one. Jackson's granddad, Will's dad, he was able to locate four of them. So Jackson gets them. He's been carrying them around in his backpack, which goes between mine and Will's house and the school. Will calls me the other morning, and it's mixing bowls. And he's like, what is in my mixing bowls? It's like remnants of, like, busted needles. Jackson got these needles, cut them, and there was stuff everywhere. And it's. It's now a situation where I have never allowed slime in the house. And now we're no longer doing neato's. Don't even ask me.

[Madison]

Oh, my God. So he just had. He was busting open these limited, hard to get neatos.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. And I'm like, we are spending, like when I say we, Will's dad spending whatever amount of money. I don't even know how much these neatos cost, but spending these amount of monies on these things. And now we're breaking them. So now you have vandalized mixing bowls. You have vandalized items that somebody paid for. And like, what were you doing?

[Madison]

Was this a. Jackson, what's going on? Sleeping in the shower? Cutting needles? What's going on here?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What is a middle school boy? So then, because he didn't complete the assignments, I was like, when? When he got home from school yesterday, he was like, what are we gonna go do something fun? And I said, fun? No, we're going home and you're gonna do your assignments. Ma', am, please tell me why. This was the pencil. This was the pencil that he got out. Complete the assignment. It's literally a nub. Like, look at this thing. A nub.

[Madison]

Is he acting like he doesn't have access to any other pencils? Like, what's going on?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The crazy thing is, is I have replaced, like the pencil pouch at least three times this year. And the amount of pencils that I purchased from Amazon on, like the, you know, like the back to school sale thing, I purchased probably over 100 pencils. I'm like, that should be sufficient.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Why in one day do they look like that? And now all these moms and teachers are dming me, telling me that that is like a middle school boy thing.

[Madison]

What?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, how do they get it that small? How do they.

[Madison]

What are they just, like, sharpening it and sharpening it and sharpening it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's kind of like when we were in school when you had, like, the pencil sharpener, like, on the wall. It was like, something to do. Yeah, but they don't have pencil sharpeners on the wall anymore. They have them in there, like.

[Madison]

Yeah, Pencil pouch. Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Madison]

What?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, yeah. So guess what I did last night? I fixed quick dinner and cleaned up the kitchen, took myself a bath and got in the bed and watched Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Madison]

Oh, goodness. What episode did you get up to?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think eight. Is there eight?

[Madison]

There's ten.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Ten. Eight. I'm on episode eight.

[Madison]

Okay. Okay. I've watched the full thing, and this is. This might contain spoilers for people I've

[Lindsay Chrisley]

not watched at all.

[Madison]

I know it just came out. So feel free to skip forward or come back. But what do you think about, like, who's your favorite?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

First of all, my favorite character, I think, is Miranda.

[Madison]

Miranda.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I. I think she's my favorite character. I think that some people probably, like, misunderstand her. I think she is likely, like, a very genuine person.

[Madison]

Oh, for sure.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

There are several people on that show that I'm like, there is nothing genuine about multiple of these people. And this is all for reality TV and a paycheck. Yeah.

[Madison]

I mean, listen, they got all have an opportunity, right? And, like, a lot of people are giving flack to Whitney because the last season was coming out during Dancing with the Stars. And it was like the same time where she said, like, I came back to mom talk because I wanted the Dancing with the Stars opportunity. And, like, the fan base didn't like that. And they voted her off Dancing with the Stars because of that. And I'm like, listen, the show's a stepping point. And I feel like people forget about that. And it's not in, like, a mean or malicious way, like, you would do the same thing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, Kale and I have kind of dealt with that a little bit where people are like, they are not deserving of X, Y and Z opportunity. And it's like, unless you are in it. And I've said this to so many people, like, unless you're in it, you don't understand it, but why wouldn't you take the opportunity?

[Madison]

Exactly, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. In the last two episodes. I won't spoil it for you, but, like, I don't like Jen. I don't like Jen. Jen is annoying. And her husband. Oh, she, she just like, really pissed me off. Like, I get it. Like, you are four weeks postpartum going on Dancing with the Stars, which 100% never had a kid, but I understand that's a big thing to do. But to continue feeling bad for yourself and not being a good person, it's just like, not there for me. Like, she was trying to blame Whitney for, like, not saying hi to her on Dancing with the Star. She's like, I would see her multiple times a day and like, she went, we would just say hi. And like, we didn't get closer. And Jen was trying to be like, Whitney. Whitney is the one that's like, making it this way. I'm like, no, it's not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Madison]

Yeah. There was the other. I forget her name. What's the other? Let me look up the full cast. She was also like a month postpartum, too. It was Jen and then somebody else. Oh, Michaela.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Michaela.

[Madison]

Yeah. Michaela was also four weeks postpartum. And then all the stuff going on with her husband with, like, the intimacy. What were your thoughts about that? Because they got together really young. I didn't realize that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. So I did actually see headlines yesterday because I guess the new season aired yesterday, yesterday on Hulu. And so I saw some, like, headlines where it was like, they, they've split. But then she came out and made a statement. She was like, yeah, we did. But like, we're back. We're back together. And like, we're working on things. Being in the public eye and going through relational stuff, I would argue is probably like the hardest part of being in the public eye when you're going through relational stuff.

[Madison]

100, 100. Like, the opinions are out of this world. So out of touch. Like, you literally would not know what to do if you were in that person's shoes, for sure.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And regarding the intimacy, I mean, I can kind of relate to that to some degree because Will was my first. And so when you start. And I was also the first person, my friend group to get married, the first person in my friend group to have a baby. And when you, like, link up that young and you have never had any other experience, and I. I almost feel like a hypocrite talking about it because I believe, like, to some degree or was raised to save yourself for marriage. However, there. There are certain things now, like, looking back on it, I very much relate to, like, the Jessica Simpson, Nick Lachey situation. It's like they didn't end up staying together anyway. So, like, at that point, what does it matter? I think a lot of people struggle when they see other people, like, doing stuff around them and they're like, okay, I'm. I'm stuck. Stuck in and this. And, like, our sex life's not great, and our communication's not great, and you sometimes find yourself trying to live vicariously through the other people who are doing the stuff that you feel like you can't do. I can't imagine.

[Madison]

I think it's just so hard, like, for her, for. It's a lot about trauma, like, sexual trauma that she went through. And it's hard for her to, you know, want to feel hot and have fun and have sex because she's thinking about her trauma. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like that. I don't know. I think it's just, like, you have to have a partner. It goes back to that, too, that can support you through thick and thin. And, like, I just think it was, like, very interesting. I forgot her husband's name. But, like, they kept on saying and repeating, like, his number one thing, like, way he feels love is sex. And I'm like, that's the only way, like, number one way you feel sex. And that's the thing that I'm like,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

men are slippery slope, though, because I feel like a lot of people are probably like that. And I think it goes back to, like, the love languages. Right. You know, his love language. It probably just came across wrong. And it's not really sex. It's more like the physical touch and the intimacy of being touched.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, I could kind of, like, get behind that a little bit.

[Madison]

Yeah. It was also just like, they wouldn't even kiss, too, was another part that they mentioned. And I was like, whoa.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Holy. Okay, so did you see where Taylor, Frankie, Paul's ex, came out and said that he slept with her the night before she left for the Bachelorette?

[Madison]

That pissed me off so much, I wanted to punch the screen. I wanted to punch the screen, Lindsay. Like, I was literally, like, I say up until, like, 1:30am the other night. Because I was like on episode nine, and then it was like, okay, let me go. I was like, absolutely not. She better get on that plane. Like, you'll see.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think she missed her flight, right?

[Madison]

She did, and she had to get another one. And, like, she was there with her whole family, like her son and her mom and her sister and her aunt who's, like, her assistant. We're all on the plane and she didn't get up to go because she was sick. No, she slept with him.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, how do you feel about her doing that? Because I have two different, like, opposing feelings on it.

[Madison]

I think I Mean, listen, I haven't been in a toxic cycle like that, but I've been a best friend of somebody who has. And, like, at the end of the day, it's like an addiction. Like, you can have so many people in your life being like, don't do that drug. Don't do that drug. This drug will make you xyz. But then you're alone with the drug and you relapse, and you know it's bad for you, but it's almost so bad that it's good.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep.

[Madison]

And you're just addicted to it. So I understand. And I have simply sympathy for Taylor in that way, but it does frustrate me because, you know, the baby daddy, he does stuff to, like, get her back in. Like, sleeps with women in the circle. Like, sleeps with women. Where do they go? Like, London. Like, he knows what he's doing.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know. I feel like if I was putting myself in her shoes and I had gotten a lead role on the freaking Bachelorette and I was flying out, hopefully my mindset would not be like, I'm just nilly Willy doing this, because then that would be playing with people who might be there for the right reasons. Right. I hope. I hope the intent behind her doing that was not for publicity, but it. It was defined true love. Maybe it was a thought process that she was like, this might be the last time I could ever do this. And maybe she needed the closure from that.

[Madison]

I know, but how much more closure do you need with Dakota? That's.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Listen, I have been. I text you yesterday when we were talking about this, and I said, I relate to this. Like, I relate being on that little toxic cycle of recycling the baby daddy.

[Madison]

I think so many people do. I think, because that's what you're comfortable with. And even though it's like I said before, like, it's so bad for you that it's good. And, like, everybody was just so frustrated with Taylor. And I think deep down, there's still that love there. Is that healthy love? No. Is it good for you love? No. But it's there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So sometimes, though, when you have a kid with somebody, you love them in such a different way because there's that mutual bond that it's really hard to break, regardless whether it's toxic or not. And I just can't talk about this situation, which is what I was telling you last night, because I've done it, you know, literally filed for divorce in July and slept with my ex husband on and off through our entire divorce process. Like, what do you mean? Like, we are communicating with attorneys back and forth, and we're trying to reach agreement on stuff, and you're sleeping over, like, you're waiting. We are hiding from our child that we created together so that you can sneak in.

[Madison]

Wow.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And, I mean, it is a very toxic and vicious cycle, and I do think that there is some level of comfort. But I remember telling Will, I was like, as comfortable as we are to each other and we created a life together and a child together, this is actually should be the most uncomfortable time to be doing any of this stuff. Like, if we're so brazen to go out and file for divorce and this is what we're doing, and it's like, we're having conversations. Do not tell the courts that, like, we slept together. Because at the point that you do that, what is it called, like, reconsumating your marriage so then they can move the court, like, the date of separation from that day forward. So, you know, there was a lot of level of trust there, too, of, like, we know we need this divorce. We're not going to stop doing this. So if you don't tell, I won't tell.

[Madison]

Wow. And how long was it like that for? Because for Taylor, it's going on for years. Like, I think they've been on and off years. Like three years, years.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But intermittently, and I will say I was absolutely with no one else through my divorce process or anything like that. Just my ex husband.

[Madison]

Wow. That's. I feel, like, so relatable, though, because, like, especially if there's a kid involved, it's a little bit less of the cut and dry, you know, like, then

[Lindsay Chrisley]

it makes it so sticky, too, because it's like, you have this little kid, and you know that the life that they're going to live looks very different than what we had intended and what we created. And now we are sneaking around behind the child that we created together's back. It's, like, weird.

[Madison]

Yeah, it is weird, but it's better that he doesn't know, because then that alludes to more questions.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Exactly. I would say. I'm not going to say years. I would say probably on and off for, like, a year and a half.

[Madison]

Wow. Mm. Well, what made you stop the cycle?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I started dating because I'm like, this is not. And that might not have been the healthiest thing either, to go from that and then to start dating, but I think in my mind, I was like, this cycle will always continue until I step away from it. Like, I have to step Away from it and be strong enough. And I know if somebody else is involved, then I won't do it. It's like a temptation, you know?

[Madison]

Oh, yeah. It's like a temptation. It's an addiction. Like, I know Taylor and Dakota, like, they both knew it was unhealthy. Like, she was on the phone. They were on the phone with each other on FaceTime till she walked out for the road, like, starting the Bachelorette. They were on FaceTime together. I'm like, taylor, get off the damn phone.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, but what do we think about him outing that entire situation? Because to some degree, I get it from an emotional standpoint, if he's still in love with her and then knowing that she's, like, on this journey and she's gonna be with someone else, like, is it messy? Yes, it's very messy, but to some degree. Do I understand it? Yes.

[Madison]

Also, I understand it, but I feel like with tough love, it's like, you had your chance so many times. Like, and unfortunately, it's just gonna be like, the one that got away because you decided to do so many shitty things back to back to back to back. And, like, you lost her. Like, you lost her.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, what do we think about Taylor and Chase, though?

[Madison]

That was really random, if I'm going to be honest. I think there was a little bit more backstory to that that we didn't really get. But I was like, what is going on?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean,

[Madison]

because, like, Miranda and Taylor have a really. Like, they've been through some things, obviously, but, like, they have a pretty good friendship. And, like, I don't know. I just feel like, as Miranda, I would be, like, uncomfortable with that, but maybe that was just, like, a setup thing, you know, that they do on shows. I don't know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, if that was my girlfriend and that was my ex husband, d way, I don't give a flying fog about if they were going to coffee or dinner at the point that you were going to coffee with my ex husband.

[Madison]

That's weird.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We're no longer talking because now I just don't trust you. Like, why are you doing that?

[Madison]

Yep. I don't know. They really brushed that under the rug. It was, like, a thing for, like, an episode. And they're like, okay. Anyway. And I'm like, what?

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

But in completely unrelated news, you know, after Dallas came back home and Hunter started with me, and it truly has been like, such a blessing, but so funny also. And people when I posted him on my Instagram, were like, we need an episode, like, immediately. Would love to do that. He and I were actually talking about, like, creative ideas on how we would do that to actually show our friendship. And so I'm not going to say what it is, but you and I can discuss that, like, on the back end for creative. And I'm just like, this could be. This could be really fun. But no, so I don't think that he realized what type of a crazy person in life that this actually is. And I just, I think it's so funny because before people are in it, they're like, oh, it's just like very

[Madison]

cut and dry podcast.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, it's like, you know, just. He's like, no, that. That's actually not what this is. Came to my house yesterday and there's just trees that I have ordered that are in boxes in my driveway. Trees, Trees, trees. Were you around when Kale and I went through, like, that level of psychosis where we were ordering, like lots of plants and trees from fast growing trees?

[Madison]

Yes. I. I remember hearing about Kale's escapades with that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. Okay, well, I did that last year as well at the same time. And now I've gone and purchased two different variations of hydrangea trees. Have no idea where I'm gonna put them. Hopefully I selected the right zone so that they can survive in my climate. But they're just sitting Outside in a box.

[Madison]

Right. And how is that going to be planted? Are you planting that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. When I called Hunter last night and told him about the trees in the driveway, he was like, so we need a landscaper. I'm like, yes, we do.

[Madison]

So you bought them and didn't think, how are they going to get into the ground?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Was never a part of the process. And I feel like that's a lot of the way that I operate with, like, a lot of things.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, okay, let me ask you this. Are you a shopper where you go and, like, put an entire outfit together when you're at a store and you're like, okay, I have all the pieces that I need to, like, make this outfit work? Or are you the type of shopper that's like, I really like that, and then you get it home and, like, nothing matches, and it hangs in your closet with the tags on it for indefinitely.

[Madison]

Option B, 100%. Option B. Yep. I'm buying a matching workout set. Nothing goes together.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm like, okay, definitely option B. Listen, let me tell you, I got some of the cutest shit from. Have you used Fabletics? People were asking me about that. They were like, we need Pilates outfits. I got some of the cutest outfits from Fabletics, and I just love ordering from them because it's just like, you

[Madison]

don't have to think it's really cute and really good material, too, which I.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And it's inexpensive.

[Madison]

It's really affordable. So what'd you get from there? Like, matching scents.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I got biker shorts and matching bra and, like, the top or the jacket that goes with it, they came out with a dress. So I got that because I'm like, that could be, you know, cutesy leggings, bra, matching jacket. I don't know, like, 25 items of stuff that I didn't need. And when I tell you, I am so glad that I was a procrastinator and left that stuff in the box because Jackson and I were in the bed the other night. He was laying with me, and I had started laundry in my upstairs laundry room, and all of a sudden, we heard a bang. And we're like, oh, a robber's here. Like, we're dead. No, it was from where the housekeeper put bleach on top of my dryer, and I guess it, like, got uneven. This is a PSA to anybody who uses bleach. Do not put it on a surface that could have any type of movement. Because that bleach bot bottle, like, the top, when it hit the Ground. It flew off. It went all over the wall, all over the laundry that was in the floor. It was puddled, like underneath the. What's the little like trays that the washer and dryer go in. Like it's puddled all in that, all underneath it. And I'm like, this is not what I signed up for. Like, I signed up crashing out. Full blown crash out.

[Madison]

And it's bleach. So you have to be like, careful it's not like water everywhere.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And then so I was like, oh, it got on some whites. So I'm like, okay, that's like, not too bad. Wash them, dry them. Go to put on a pair of these cutest, like little pants that I got from Target the other day. Please tell me why. When I put them on that bleach ate through the crotch of those pants.

[Madison]

Just the crotch just.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, a hole this big,

[Madison]

you have to take a photo.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm like, what the actual hell is transpiring? Also, so I'm trying to become like a more healthy girly. So I'm going to tell you what I've been working on. So I've been working on my skin appointments. Found a place where I can do like a membership. Like I'm a membership type of girly. You know what I mean? Like, I need the accountability to know that I'm already paying for it because it'll keep me accountable to go.

[Madison]

I'm like that with workout classes. Like, if I wasn't gonna be charged a cancellation fee, I. I would probably cancel half the classes. 100.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's why I tend to make it to Pilates most every single time. Because if you think I'm trying to pay 20 on top of the membership fee that I'm already paying. So that's what gets me there. So I found this skincare place that you can go in like once a month and get a custom facial, a hydrafacial chemical peel, like whatever like you want to do for facial stuff. And then you get a B12 shot and it's like one membership fee. So went and did that yesterday. Have a dentist appointment coming up. So I'm like, I'm gonna have clean teeth. Because I think I've decided instead of the veneers, I'm going to go the Invisalign route. So, like that's in, in progress. Bleaching my hair out on Monday.

[Madison]

Yeah, I saw that. You have a three hour bleaching appointment.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I know you text me about that and I'm like.

[Madison]

Because I was trying to Schedule a podcast. And I'm like, what are you doing in the hair salon for three hours?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Hair salon? Like, do you understand, like, how long? So I don't think that people realize, like, how dark my hair naturally is. So it takes quite some time for it to live.

[Madison]

Is it the same color as your eyebrows?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, maybe a little bit darker.

[Madison]

Oh, wow. Yeah, so it takes you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And so it takes quite some time to lift. But then, you know, I also do all the add ons. So it's like I get in there and I do the extreme color change and then I'm like, oh, but I need a treatment. And then I need, need a trim and then I need a blowout and process.

[Madison]

Okay, so it's an all day, it's an event. I just want to let you guys know, Lindsay almost did a podcast recording in the hair salon like I did today. And I'm like, no, we can, we could do another day. Like, she's like, no, let's do it. I'm like, no, we can, we can move it another day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I'm like, all I have to have is my laptop. Like, but I'm just thinking, like, hair dryer.

[Madison]

Like, your hair is up here. And we're just like, yeah, so my baby daddy, like, no, but wouldn't that

[Lindsay Chrisley]

be like a cool concept kind of to just do a podcast in a hair salon? Because I feel like so much shit actually happens in a hair salon, like, the amount of stuff that I hear it. So actually go to a salon suite to a girl who does my color and cotton extensions and stuff now. But when I used to go to a hair salon, I loved going because, like, the lure of the hair salon and listening to all of the people's problems that are around you, and it's like, okay, I'm not preying on you, but it makes me feel better about my life.

[Madison]

It's the same thing at like, the nail salon. Like, oh, my gosh, one time I was getting my nails done and this woman was just like telling all of her trauma and I'm like, my life isn't that bad actually.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Thank you, people. Trauma dump, like, places like that. So, yeah, have a hair appointment next week to start the process. Not putting my extensions in until April before I come to Delaware. Then slightly crashed out thinking that I was going to be going from Delaware. I don't know why I thought May and April were the same time.

[Madison]

You thought you were going to go from Delaware to la.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I thought I was going. I don't know why my mind Went like that. I'm like, so I'm. Let me get this correct. And like, I was not tracking. I'm like, so I'm going from Delaware and I'm coming home for a couple of days, and then I'm going to la and I'm going to be in LA for a couple of days, and then I'm coming home for a couple of days, and then I'm going to New York for a couple of days. Like, is this right? And Hunter's like, no, no. Like, we're talking about two separate months.

[Madison]

Oh, man.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I love that for me. And then let's see, what else? Oh, I'm starting a meal prep on Sundays.

[Madison]

Wow. Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Glow up.

[Madison]

Okay. Self care. What are we meal prepping?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, actually, it's not just me. We're gonna have a girls. And when I say girls, it's a girl and the gay.

[Madison]

The girl.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know, the girl and the gay. We're gonna have little powwow sessions, mental health checks on Sunday, and we're probably going to find a reality TV show to watch and have on in the background. Probably drink some Prosecco, you know? Love that he knows how to grill and knows how to use a stove, because I don't really use mine. But we're thinking bowls. Like a Mexican version of a bowl. Like a Mediterranean bowl, and maybe like an Asian.

[Madison]

Okay, I have a question for you. How many days? Because it's like meal prepping. Yes. But also it's leftovers. How many days can something be in a fridge for leftovers? Because I got into a debate about this with my girlfriend the other day because I was eating. I was like. She's like, what did you eat for dinner? I'm like, oh, this pasta. She's like, you had that pasta. You made that pasta four days ago. It's bad. I'm like, I don't really think so.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, Madison. I'm thinking I'm more in line with her. So it's weird because when I was married, Will used to. Will. Will used to meal prep for us, I think every Sunday or Monday. And I used to talk about it on coffee combos. He made, like, taco bowls, and it was the. The easiest thing ever. And he would make enough for our weekly lunches for some reason, because I was like, meal prepped in my kitchen. And I know when it was cooked, I'm fine with eating it for, like, lunch for the work week. But if it was leftovers from a restaurant, okay, number one, I'm probably not bringing it home. In the first place. But if I did, because I loved it so much, that's like a next day thing or.

[Madison]

Yeah, that's different. I'm talking about leftovers that I cooked.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, that you cooked?

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I think that's fine. Four days. I think that's fine.

[Madison]

Yeah, exactly. No, from a restaurant. Like, maybe I'm having it the next day, like, but actually it's more so like the guilt that I have leftovers over the food that I just paid for. And I'm like, yeah, I'm going to go eat it. Probably not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, see, I always try when I go out with girlfriends and stuff, I'm like, can we do like, split these? Like, can we get like a couple of apps and split? Because I do not, I really did not grow up on leftovers. And people are going to say, oh, that's a champagne main problem. No, my dad just like, did not like leftovers. So Julie always cooked, like every single night a new meal.

[Madison]

Wow.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We didn't do leftovers, so didn't grow up on that. Don't love it. Used to drive me nuts whenever I was married to Will because that man would eat something that was in the refrigerator for two weeks and not think twice about it.

[Madison]

Oh, two weeks is way too long. Absolutely not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But okay, what do we think about saving, like, half of a sub sandwich? And then the bread's all soggy.

[Madison]

I was gonna say, I can't do it if the bread is soggy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I can't do it.

[Madison]

Then just like wrap it up.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Just say, lost cause I can't get behind it. But then there are people who also do not like leftovers that will bring them home, put them in their fridge, and then throw them away, I'm like, you could have just missed that entire step.

[Madison]

That's such a waste of time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I think I'm going to start filming, like, our Sundays. Like our Sunday hangs, you know, and show the things that we're meal prepping. Thank God Hunter knows how to cook. Because, like, it's just not in my Rolodex of things that I, number one, love to do or that I'm necessarily really good at. Like, I'm good at building less in

[Madison]

the power washing department.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I absolutely. When I. When I tell you that I cannot wait for tomorrow to come because I have two dusty ass porches that need to be cleaned off so bad. And I'm trying to figure out, okay, so people who have porches that put rugs on their porches, like, how do you clean those? The rugs yeah, like rugs on the porch. They're like outdoor rugs, but I mean, debris gets on it. I'm sure, like pollen's on it. Do we take that to like an old school laundromat or do we pressure wash it?

[Madison]

I feel like pressure wash it because it's not like it needs like a deep. It's not like an indoor carpet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Right.

[Madison]

Where you need to like get a stain out, per se. So I would say pressure wash it, but I don't know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But see the pressure washer and this is, this is a problem that I have. And it's probably because I'm not a professional, but I love doing it. I'll get too close sometimes and then you like start seeing the lines where certain areas are cleaner than others. And it's like, okay, now the rug needs to be thrown away because I'm going to hyper fixate. Like, it's going to be a hyper.

[Madison]

Now I need a whole new floor.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Madison]

Oh, you went to Florida.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I went to Florida, but not in the dates that they said. That was on the ticket. It said I was in Florida on February 23rd. That's when it said that the photo was taken. I was not in Florida on February 23rd. I was in Florida in December.

[Madison]

What?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes.

[Madison]

So how did they. It. Was it your license plate?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It was my license plate. It was my vehicle. It literally looked like the photo. I wish I. I still had it, but he threw it away. The photo of my car looked like I was getting away from something. Like a crime. Okay, so what.

[Madison]

So how do you fight that if you weren't in the. Like, what is like, a toll?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's. It said it was a toll. I don't ever even remember going through a toll. I'm sure I probably did. Like, that's probably why I got a ticket, because I don't remember doing it. But I'm just like, how are you out here telling people that they were in a state that they weren't in on those days at that point? Like, stop trying to take my $13 and just call it a walk wash. Like, you don't even know when I was there.

[Madison]

Wait, that's crazy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Isn't that crazy?

[Madison]

No, it's crazy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And so he was like, I need. He was like, secondary, I need to know where your Internet router is. And I'm like, my what? And he's like, your router. I said, yeah, I know, but, like, my what? Yeah, my what?

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I take him into my office and I show him the extenders. Aren't that. Isn't that what they're called? Like the.

[Madison]

Yeah, Wi Fi extenders? Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. So I have to have two extenders in this house because I don't know why they just extended Each signal only goes so far. Yeah. Do you know that? I still have not. This was on Tuesday, I believe. I still have not located said router. Like, if I was a router, where would I be?

[Madison]

I would guess, like, maybe under your tv. Like, a lot of people do it under there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, we've looked everywhere.

[Madison]

Do you remember when they were setting up Internet in your house?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No. I was going through a breakup, and I guess I just blacked out. Like, have you ever had trauma in your life where you go through, like, long period of time and you're like, I remember nothing from that time period.

[Madison]

Oh, I don't. Yeah. I have patches of my life where I'm like, I don't remember at all. Also, I learned that SSRIs, if you are off of them, like, you don't take them consistently, and, like, you miss a couple days, whatever it can with your memory. Which tracks what?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. Wait, are you on an ssri?

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, so I had a bad reaction to an ssri. So I don't know. Obviously, you've listened to coffee combos, because you're on there. But I was telling Kale that my intrusive thoughts, like, time period after I had Jackson, I'm like, I need to go to the doctor and, like, get on something, because this is going to take me out. Like, these thoughts are never stopping. So Dr. Is like, okay, I'm gonna put you on this SSRI and, like, we're gonna try it. Whatever. Please tell me why. I woke up and I felt like bugs were crawling on me.

[Madison]

No, no, no.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I don't know if that's, like, an allergy. I don't know if, like, I don't.

[Madison]

Which one were you taking?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I can't remember. I can. I'll have to go back to my medical records to see, because I actually found a new therapist this week that I'm meeting with tomorrow, and I'm super excited about it. Did not realize how much that I missed therapy. And now that I've reached the cross crash out phase, I'm like, I. I really need to get, like, get back into doing that. So I'm really excited because it's going to be, like, an in person situation. Yes. She.

[Madison]

Because I was looking on my calendar because I was like, oh, I thought I had something tomorrow. And I'm like, what is this?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're like, am I giving Lindsay therapy?

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You're like, I did not sign up.

[Madison]

Yeah. I was, like, really confused. It said, like, madison therapy. And I was like, huh, she's like,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

you were like, wait, is Lindsay putting me in therapy? Or.

[Madison]

I thought it was, like, some type of session. And I was like, huh?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah. So I have my initial intake with her tomorrow, and it's like a 15 minute intake. And I was telling Hunter, I'm like, Mr. Sir, like, I'm not sure that 15 minutes that I can no, like, trauma dump. Like, I don't think I can trauma dump that fast on all of the things that need to be gone over. But it's just like an initial intake. But I'm excited because I've always done virtual therapy, which I think is a great option. And it. It worked for me, definitely through the divorce process, trying to figure out, like, when I was going to have Jackson, when I wasn't being able to work, like, having the flexibility of being able to be at home. But now my mindset's, like, totally different. I want to go into a therapy office so that I can leave that stuff there.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Does that make sense? Instead of it being, like, in my house and I never escape it?

[Madison]

Yeah. I feel like also so much of your job is virtual, so it would be great for some things to be in person and not on a screen and you could feel emotion and, like, just have that physical space for yourself.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I'm really excited about it. She kind of does, like, a plethora of different types of therapy services. So couples, individual family, children 10 and up, I think. And also EMDR, which is something that I have considered doing. I'm just, like, a little bit fearful, and I think that I need to get, like, some therapy with a new therapist under my belt before I dip my toes into emdr. I don't know why I'm so scared to do that.

[Voicemail Callers]

That.

[Madison]

What exactly is it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What is emdr?

[Madison]

Yeah, I've heard of it, but let me see.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I want to read the. So it's called emdr Eye Movement Desensit. Desens. How do you say that word? Desensitization.

[Madison]

Yep. It's such a hard, hard. Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And reprocessing a structured psychotherapy that helps helps people heal from traumatic memories and PTSD by using bilateral stimulation, such as eye movements or tapping, to reduce the emotional intensity of distressing events. And it says it operates in eight phases, focusing on reprocessing memories rather than detailed verbal narration. I think that would be something that would be helpful for me. I just don't really like trying new things, but I plan to talk to her about it because I have two girlfriends that I follow on Instagram. Mom, bloggers. That were just posting about emdr, like this past week. So I'm like, wait, is that like the universe sign that? Like, I need to doing emdr maybe.

[Madison]

I think it's just hard, like, you have to put yourself and feel that trauma, like, relive it, essentially. Right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And how do you know when you're ready?

[Madison]

I don't think. I don't know. I don't think you ever know that you're ready. I think there's a point where it's like, okay, if you're going to do this therapy, yes, it will be traumatic, but will you hurt yourself or hurt others by doing it? Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No.

[Madison]

Okay, no. Then maybe you're qualified or something like that. Because I imagine, like, people with like, you know, major ptsd, it would really be helpful for them if it's. It's like affecting your day to day functioning.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, it definitely affects my day to day functioning, for dang sure. And I don't know, like, I don't know how it's going to make me feel. I don't think I've actually ever been into a therapist office before other than doing virtual. So I think that'll just be like a whole different kind of experience. But after the last thing that I went through with David, I think it unlocked like, like a lot of stuff for whatever reason. And then I just felt like the world was crashing. And so I know that you and I have kind of talked behind the scenes about doing an episode discussing, like, shall we call it the downfall of David? And I definitely want to do that, but I also want to be in a place to where I can respectfully do that and not out of a place of anger 100%.

[Madison]

And you should be proud of yourself for going back to therapy. Like, a lot of people are scared to take that first step and like, go back because you could have just been like, oh, my therapist squid on me. I'm done. Like, whatever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I just, I mean, there's a lot of things that I want to talk about. I think that that situation with David unlocked a bunch of stuff that, like, I really haven't dealt with. And I'm kind of living my life like, oh, well, if I just keep ignoring those things, then eventually they'll just go away. And then after that happened, it's like I was dealing with emotions of stuff that I had ever, never even cried about before. So I'm like, okay. Like, I, I definitely. Therapy is Colin and I need to go. I don't know when I'm going to be Ready to talk about the David stuff.

[Madison]

Like, I think you'll know when you're ready. You'll feel it. Like, it could be, you know, whatever. I mean, like, there's no timeline on it. There was no pressure on it. You don't owe anybody anything. A question I had for you because you said you only did virtual therapy.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Madison]

Do you ever do therapy as a kid? Like, when your parents got divorced, did you ever do therapy? Really?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Never. Did you?

[Madison]

I did. I did like one session. But I was young, so it was just more so like a thing through the court. But then I remember when I was 16, I was like, really, really depressed and my dad got a therapist through insurance. And it's like before the era of, like, online therapy. Better help. So it was in this church and like, very odd, very traumatic. She's just. It was like, no hate to anybody that's super religious, but that's just like, not how I was raised, really, in a super religious household. But she was just telling me, like, God would get rid of my anxiety. And I'm like, well, I don't think so. Like, it's just here. Like, I'm not doing anything to.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's like you can pray it away. Yeah, basically, yeah.

[Madison]

When it's a chemical imbalance in my brain, which I learned.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I just lied. Actually, I have been in a therapist office now that you just said that about, like, the church. So when I was going through my marital struggles the first time around, back in 2016, 2017, I went to my pastor and had a conversation and was like, are there any, like, good therapists through the church services and stuff like that that we can go to? Maybe like a religious based one would be best. We went to a couple of sessions there, and I don't know, like, to each their own. But to your point, there are certain things that maybe I just wasn't ready for the religious aspects of that to be a part of my journey. And so once I realized that, I was like, yeah, like, this is just. This is never gonna work.

[Madison]

I think it's just an added layer for me that's not really needed in therapy. Like, I don't need to be religion into my mental health personally.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's like my mental health needs to be my mental health and my walk with the Lord needs to be, like, on its own journey. And so I completely agree with that. I honestly think that Will and I probably would have had a greater chance if we wouldn't have tried to mix religion in that process, because it's also Somewhat shameful for some of the stuff that's like some of the stuff that we were discussing in those therapy sessions were like, very normal for humans to do.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But you felt like there was a

[Madison]

level of shame that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes.

[Madison]

Religion.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so that was, like, really, really difficult. But no, we never. Well, I think my brother. My brother went through therapy when my parents divorced, but I never did. But again, that kind of speaks to where I'm at now because I was. You would have like, never known when I was growing up, like anything was ever wrong. It was just kind of like, okay, head down. I'm gonna do what I'm told. This will all go away. I don't need to address this. And now at 36 years old with a 13 year old child, multiple field relationships, I'm like, okay, I probably should have been doing this when I was six, you know?

[Madison]

Yeah, yeah. And it's great that you're realizing it now because so many people don't ever realize their patterns. How they grew up is unhealthy. And you're realizing that and you're like, okay, well, I don't want my son to grow up thinking this way, so. Yeah, you should be very proud of yourself to recognize those patterns.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, thank you so much. I want to watch this viral cheating video.

[Madison]

Okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Feel like, like fits, you know?

[Madison]

Yeah, it's. It's kind of insane. It's kind of insane.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, this literally better not be about me.

[Madison]

It's not about you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm gonna be like, if Madison, if you do that to me today.

[Madison]

No, it's this lady, Madison. I had to. You had to see that video? Diabolical, right?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It is crazy, but I feel like it's so common. I feel like people will just, like, lie till they die, you know?

[Madison]

I know it's so crazy, but, like,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

what a girl's girl, A girls girl. And I wish that girl was my friend. I actually really realized how some girls can be such girls, girls. When I just went through my most current situation, it's like, why do men think that they're, like, getting a leg up on somebody?

[Madison]

I don't know how they think they're so smart. Like, have you ever talked to a woman will always be a little bit smarter. We'll always know what's going on before you even.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And it's also like, when they give certain details of stuff. Like that video that we just watched. Okay. I'm going out with, like, the guys and we're giving specific people that you're going out with. Okay, so now are all of those people looped in to your lie? Are they unaware? Because now I'm going to start texting them to be like, oh, hey, hope you'll have a good guy's day.

[Madison]

And it's like, what?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, exactly, exactly, exactly. Like, I. I feel like I couldn't. I could not be her. I could not do it. And I also, if. If some girl sent me a message like that, number one, I'm immediately calling. Number two, I don't give a about the setup at that point because I know exactly what you're trying to do, and I'm not playing that.

[Madison]

It's just so crazy. And now she has her own business, like, doing this for people. Like, she created. Like, she did. She literally did. I think this video popped off so much that she did, like, a couple requests, and she's like, hey, guys, you can, like, fill out my Google form to, like, see if your man's cheating loyalty test.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I need to.

[Madison]

Well, honestly, like, brilliant business move, but,

[Lindsay Chrisley]

like, brilliant business move, but, like, also the amount of trauma that's involved in that. The trauma and the drama.

[Madison]

I know, I know. Do you want to do a voicemail or two?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes, I do.

[Madison]

Okay.

[Voicemail Callers]

I am a bio mom. I share my daughter, who is almost 16, with my ex. We used to have a really good relationship and still could, but his wife is awful, inserts herself into everything and just really complicates situations. And she's an instigator behind my back. She'll say things to my daughter like, oh, your mom just got back to us when it's been like five minutes. Or, your mom never tells us anything. When I tell them everything, they just don't write anything down or keep track of anything. I'm definitely the one who manages everything. And when we're getting along, that's all good and great because they don't have to do anything, but when they're mad at me for whatever reason, now all of a sudden, I'm controlling. Just really funny. But what do you do? How do you handle a stepmom who is awful and brings down the dice dynamic and telling your daughter things behind her back, your back to make her think that you the villain.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like there's so many ways that I could go with this because I've had to learn over a period of time and just trial and error and probably time that there are certain relationships my son's gonna have with people that I'm not necessarily going to have. Right. And you have to be at a place. And I know it's so hard for so many people that when you separate or you divorce or, you know, you. You've moved on and your ex partner has picked a new partner, you have to trust, like, what's going on in that house and trust the person that you were with to vet that entire situation. And I. I don't understand it because I feel like I went through, like, such a place of I don't want Will to necessarily be with anybody, but, like, I don't want to be with him. You know what I mean? Like, there's like, a lot of emotions that are mixed up in that. And then when you mix a child into that, and it's like, okay, I don't want Will to be with anybody, but I don't want to be with any them. But I also don't want my kid around somebody else. Like, there are so many emotions in situations like that. In this specific situation, the daughter sounds like she's 16 years old, so there's really not much time left. Although two years could probably seem like a lifetime if you're dealing with stuff like this. Kayl made a good point to say, like, once your kids get to a certain age, communicate with them. Like, do a shared calendar where everything's on there so you don't necessarily have to communicate. Right. So all of Jackson's events and stuff, either Will puts it on the calendar if it's like, on his time, or I put it on the calendar if it's on my time. And it's all visible right there in a shared calendar. And it makes it so easy. I was talking to one of my guy friends not too long ago, and he went through a divorce, but their situation was very amicable. And he was showing me this app that he and his ex wife use, and he's like, it's. It's been such a lifesaver. Unfortunately, in certain situations, you're just, like, never going to win. And that stepmom's gonna have her side of the story, you're gonna have your side of the story, and the truth lies somewhere there in the middle. But at some point, you do just have to say, like, your obligation is not to her, and her obligation is not necessarily to you. It's to your. Your ex and to the relationship that they have with your daughter. So I think, like, shared calendar, shared calendar.

[Madison]

And I think try to keep those conversations in that conflict away from the daughter as much as possible.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Did your parents have any issues like that at all?

[Madison]

I mean, like, not to out my dad's stuff, but he was engaged, like, a plethora of times. Like, I couldn't tell you how many, like, women at some point I got introduced.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

He was not afraid of commitment.

[Madison]

Yeah. It was like, all the time. This is my girlfriend. This might be. I like, at a certain point, like, even after I moved out of the house, he dated. Maybe this is over a span of eight years. Like, two women. Right When I met them, I was like, okay. And my dad's like, are you excited? I was like, well, I know they're not good mess around. So, like, I'll like Kiki with them. But, like, I don't know. I'll be cordial, but I don't know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's such a stick. Like situations with step parents and like, bio parents. It's such a sticky thing because in one hand I'm like, I need to directly be communicating with Will. Like, that's who I had our child with. So I need to be directly communicating with him. But if the relationship is respectful with the other person, I probably. At this point, I don't feel like I've always felt this way. But at this point in my life, if Will brought somebody else into his life and they were a decent, kind, loving human being, I would probably feel more comfortable communicating with the woman and not Will.

[Madison]

Because you would almost understand her more than him.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes.

[Madison]

You guys would go.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Because I've been in situations before, and I. I think this has also been a part of my change of perspective Because I've dated people with children and seen me being, like, the outsider in that situation. And there are a lot of times that. That. That is like a debilitating feeling when you see stuff going on and you're just like, what the. Is it? Like, can people not be normal? And so I. I think that that changed my mindset a lot of, like, that other person isn't the enemy. In certain situations they could be. Right. Because it could have been like, an affair partner or whatever. But I would say probably for the majority of people, that's not the situation. So I'm not going to treat somebody like an enemy that ain't my enemy.

[Madison]

Very true.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think.

[Madison]

You want to do one more?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yep.

[Madison]

Okay, we'll do one more. Forgot to say, this is distorted, so I had to.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is distorted.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay.

[Madison]

Distorted. So it's a woman speaking, but it's really distorted. So just. Okay. Fair. Warm of the voice.

[Howie Mandel]

I started dating this guy that I worked with, and he was so polite and nice and whatever. We lived in different cities until like, for six months in. And he wanted me to start calling him Christy and he wanted to call me a boy's name, Jimmy. And he wanted me to dress up as a boy and put on a big black fielder and fuck him up the ass. And I think it was strategic that he waited until six months because at that point I'm like, are kind of invested and like, you get to know this person that you think that you do. And I was like, sure, well, sure, we'll go with that.

[Voicemail Callers]

We'll.

[Howie Mandel]

We can do that. Then it snowballed. He wanted to start taking hormones. I stopped having sex with him because he, I went through his phone. He would find dudes on like Craigslist and his would be raw and it wasn't for me. And I was like, bruh, Like, I think you need to just go on down the street and get your socks off. Get your rocks off. Whatever they say with a boy, it cannot be me anymore. And now it's freebie. She's like, married with kids, and I'm like, does she even have a clue who the she's with? It was the most bizarre thing. Like, I have a little PSTV from it. Just like me having to dress up in like a man's suit and tie while he's in the bathroom giving himself an enema so I can him with a 12 inch black beak. Are you kidding? Kidding. That I will. You girls are the only ones that will know this story. I'm taking it to the grave. But if you get any signs from a guy like that, you better run your ass for the hills because, hey, something ain't right either. You gay. You're not you by. But we don't need to be role playing and switching places. And I certainly got nothing out of bending him over and him with the pickle black dick.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, I'm not meaning to laugh, but it's just like.

[Madison]

It's crazy. It is crazy. Wow.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, the way that she was saying it and then the distorted voice kind of like took me for a loop. Number one, I think that people need to understand that if you were in any type of situation and you were doing something that you're uncomfortable with, regardless of. Of the amount of time that you have invested, don't do it. I think that's like number one. Number two, to say, oh, well, I think it was like strategic to wait for six months to do this. No, for six months, you evidently lived a lie unbeknownst to you. But like, for six months, you lived a Lie. If that was ever my situation. And someone said, I'm dressing up in a suit and tie and I am pegging them. I am pegging them with a large dick. And then I found on their phone that they were doing shady stuff on Craigslist and their butthole was raw.

[Madison]

I gotta go like. I gotta go.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I have to see my way out.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Because what do you mean, your butthole's raw? And, like, how did it.

[Madison]

What do you mean that she was putting on a strap? Lindsay, what do you mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Could you, like.

[Madison]

What do you mean?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Could you imagine?

[Madison]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And what podcast did I say? I think it was on? Coffee Convos with kale. I'm like, okay, in that situation, I can't be upset because I cannot compete with dick.

[Madison]

No.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You know, so if my parts ain't what you looking for, then that's not personal.

[Madison]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I've got to go. And it's truly. It's not a personal situation. Like, what's personal to me at this point is you have bamboozled me. That's what's personal. And I don't want to be involved in a situation like that. I. I also would be taken out if that situation happened to me. And then I'm just, like, randomly scrolling on Facebook and see that that person is married with now a wife and children, because. What do you mean?

[Madison]

Yeah. Talk about not speaking your truth. Holy wow.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just can't. But if anybody wants to leave us a voicemail for listener advice or just you want to spill the tea like this person did, because this person didn't leave nothing out, do not forget, if you want to submit a question, ask for advice, or just spill some tea, you can call our Southern tea hotline at 929-333-6386 and you can leave your message and we might play it on the show. Thanks so much for joining me today, Madison. I am now. Since everybody I just told my entire business on this episode. I'm now going to the nail salon. I'm getting these rusty, dusty nails taken off, and then I'm going to the Cat Wax, so.

[Madison]

The Cat Wax, period.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What a. Yeah.

[Madison]

Glow we're having.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's what I'm doing for the rest of the afternoon. Thank you guys so much for joining us this week. If you have not subscribed to the show, you can do that from any podcast app, wherever you get your pods. Always first at Podcast one. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Madison]

Bye.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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