HOA Headaches & Kohberger Guilty Plea

Summary

The Southern Tea – July 9, 2025

Episode: HOA Headaches & Kohberger Guilty Plea
Host: Lindsie Chrisley (PodcastOne)

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Episode Overview

This week, Lindsie Chrisley dives into a chaotic blend of topics: the perils and drama of homeownership under a strict HOA, a deep and impassioned discussion of the Brian Kohberger guilty plea in the Idaho student murders, and a range of side chats about parenting, vacation habits, wild news stories, and more. True to form, Lindsie brings her signature candid, Southern humor and perspective, creating an engaging – occasionally irreverent – episode full of warmth and real talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. HOA Headaches and Neighborhood Drama

[01:05–09:33]

• Water and Trash Can Fiascos:

  • While on vacation, Lindsie’s neighbor mistakenly turns off her water while handling her own irrigation system emergency, leading to confusion over whether Lindsie’s house cleaners would be able to work.
  • Lindsie also gets two compliance emails from the HOA about her trash cans being left out, missing pickup, and alleged “debris.”
  • Neighbor offers to help with the trash can but is also suspected of reporting her to the HOA.

  Quote:
  “Did you turn my water off and report me for my trash can?” (Lindsie, 04:21)

• HOA Experiences and Frustrations:

  • Lindsie and her co-host (Kristen) vent about the strictness and pettiness of their HOA, noting absurd compliance rules and neighborly overinvolvement.
  • Discussion of how HOAs are polarizing – listeners are invited to share their own wildest HOA experiences.

• Neighborhood Tattling:

  • Lindsie reveals the same neighbor has allegedly had animal control called on her dogs – raising trust issues and leading Lindsie to joke about putting up a "No Trespass" sign.

Memorable Moment:
“My neighbor that turned my water off moved my trash can... You had two notices. You had two violations, ma’am.” (Kristen, 07:47)

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2. Parenting Styles: Dinner Rules & Vacation Habits

[11:50–16:43]

• Debate Over Dinner Options for Kids:

  • Lindsie discusses letting her son Jackson pick meals, and being flexible if he doesn’t want to eat what’s prepared.
  • Kristen describes the stricter style from her own upbringing: “If you're hungry, you eat what's for dinner, or you don't eat.”
  • Lindsie’s philosophy: No child under her roof goes to bed hungry, believing forced eating breeds secrecy and rebellion.

  Quote:
  “No child under my roof is ever going to bed hungry.” (Lindsie, 14:11)

• Vacation vs. Home Rules:

  • Lindsie allows looser rules on vacation (e.g., ice cream for breakfast), whereas Kristen says her family’s rules never changed, regardless of location.

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3. Streaming Recommendations & Show Banter

[16:43–19:33]

• Lindsie binge-watched the show “Ransom Canyon” and compares it (dubiously) to “Yellowstone.”
• Kristen recommends “Land Man” with Billy Bob Thornton and discusses TV preferences differing between her and her partner.

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4. News Stories: Kroger Chemical Blast Settlement

[19:33–23:53]

• Discussion about a Michigan HVAC technician awarded $75 million after a chemical blast at a Kroger led to amputation of most of his hands.

• Kristen humorously educates Lindsie on workplace insurance payouts for lost digits, sparking dark humor about “price points on your digits.”

  Quote:
  “At this point in my life, I could probably take the 75 million and not worry about my hands.” (Lindsie, 19:45)

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5. Listener Mail & Child Welfare System Discussion

[23:53–28:44]

• Lindsie reads a listener message from a California social worker, who explains why sex trafficking victims are sometimes removed from even supportive homes and placed in foster care – for their safety and due to state laws.

• Both hosts gain new perspective on how CPS and law enforcement operate in these cases.

  Quote:
  “A lot of times people get upset on law enforcement having information on sex trafficking and them not moving in… but they have to be extremely careful because they can put the victims at higher risk if they do not get it right…” (Listener email, read by Lindsie, 25:04)

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6. True Crime & Social Media Outrage

[28:44–29:38]

• Lindsie references a trending story about a local couple with a prominent TikTok presence, one of whom has been convicted of child pornography but is still active on the platform.
• Raises questions about public visibility, shame, and denial after criminal behavior.

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7. Deep Dive: Brian Kohberger Guilty Plea & The Idaho Murders

[29:38–61:17]

Reactions to the Hearing

[29:50–35:25]

• Both hosts express emotional reactions and critique the behavior and comments of the judge and lawyers at the hearing.
• Lindsie is chilled by hearing the guilty plea:
  Quote:
  “The chills that I had just listening to him answer the questions from the judge and say that he was guilty had me literally physically feeling like I needed to shit my pants.” (Lindsie, 30:23)
• Kristen uncomfortable with the judge making statements about court hardship rather than focusing on victims and their families.
• Discussion of technicalities: Kohberger wearing street clothes, not being shackled “for public image.”

Family Impact & Plea Deal Debate

[35:25–49:59]

• Lindsie and Kristen reflect on the mixed feelings of the victims' families; is the plea true justice, or just expedient peace?
• Pros and cons of the plea:
  • Saves families from traumatizing trial/relocation.
  • Prevents future appeals.
  • Some families wanted the death penalty, others did not.
  • Questions if true accountability and closure can come without a full confession.
• Lindsie highlights this quote from Kaylee’s family:
  Quote:
  “At bare minimum, pleas require a full confession, full accountability, location of the murder weapon, confirmation the defendant acted alone, and true facts of what happened that night.” (Kaylee’s family statement, read by Lindsie, 50:04)

Case Details & Theories

[38:37–48:51]

• New evidence and timeline revelations:
  • Kohberger’s cell phone pings near the scene for months prior.
  • DoorDash driver identifying him as a final blow for defense.
  • The “container” left the morning of the killings—speculation on knife/gloves disposal.
  • Intent that Maddie was likely the only original target.
• Kristen questions whether the evidence would have truly secured a conviction at trial, noting “missing” pieces beyond the DNA-linked knife sheath.
• Both hosts agree: plea deal brings certainty for families, which is worth a lot.

Justice, Restitution, and What Comes Next

[51:14–61:17]

• Discussion of restitution and the offensive reality of collecting “pennies” off prison wages for families.
• Possibility of families pursuing civil suits.
• Debate about whether Kohberger (or his family) will ever provide more truth; comparisons to other notorious, manipulative killers.
• Lindsie is touched by a victim’s parent’s hope to “put this behind us and not have these future dates,” even if it’s imperfect closure.
• Both agree: letting the families move forward is the only clear silver lining.

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8. Weekly Devotional & Uplifting Notes

[61:17–62:05]

• Lindsie shares a heartwarming Instagram quote about keeping supportive people close.
• Weekly devotional:
  Quote:
  “Dear God, thank you for holding me together when I had every reason to fall apart.”

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9. Wild Weekly Tea

[62:05–64:43]

• Reads a wild People Magazine story: Tennessee man beaten with a plunger and had bleach poured on him; bizarre story segues into joking about strange “prison talk.”
• Touches on the absurdity of certain true crime tales.

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10. Podcast Awards Announcement

[64:48–65:22]

• Lindsie reminds listeners The Southern Tea is up for the People's Choice Podcast Award (Kids & Family, and People's Choice categories). Encourages voting before July 31.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Did you turn my water off and report me for my trash can?” (04:21, Lindsie)
• “No child under my roof is ever going to bed hungry.” (14:11, Lindsie)
• “At this point in my life, I could probably take the 75 million and not worry about my hands.” (19:45, Lindsie)
• “The chills that I had just listening to him answer the questions from the judge… had me literally physically feeling like I needed to shit my pants.” (30:23, Lindsie)
• “If narcissism had a look, I feel like it would look like Brian Kohberger.” (37:43, Lindsie)
• “Dear God, thank you for holding me together when I had every reason to fall apart.” (61:46, Lindsie)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• HOA Drama & Neighborhood Tales: 01:05–09:33
• Parenting & Dinner Rules: 11:50–16:43
• Streaming/TV Banter: 16:43–19:33
• Kroger Chemical Blast, Insurance Payouts: 19:33–23:53
• Listener Mail & CPS/Sex Trafficking: 23:53–28:44
• True Crime on Social Media: 28:44–29:38
• Brian Kohberger Hearing Deep Dive: 29:38–61:17
• Weekly Devotional & Positive Affirmations: 61:17–62:05
• Wild News “Weekly Tea”: 62:05–64:43
• Podcast Awards Announcement: 64:48–65:22

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends relatable everyday headaches and Southern neighborly drama with Lindsie’s direct, empathetic exploration of true crime and justice. The hosts’ honest takes on parenting and social issues, plus moments of humor and heart, keep the tone engaging even when topics get heavy. Perfect for fans seeking an unfiltered, real-life perspective with their weekly “tea.”

Transcript

[A]

Maybe I'm just like, weird. Maybe I'm crunchy. This is the Southern Tea with Lindsay Chrisley. I think it's so funny when you get Christmas cards and all of these people write their children's accomplishments on the back. I don't love them. A Southern girl and a boy mom who's trying to navigate life while staying true to her roots. I am a functioning, non functioning human being right now. Join Lindsay each week as she swears to spill the tea, the whole tea, and nothing but the tea.

[B]

Tea that is the tea.

[A]

Here's Lindsay. Good morning and welcome back to another episode of the Southern Tea. I feel refreshed, but still stressed.

[B]

Hello, my little vacation queen. How are we?

[A]

You know absolutely hate packing and going out of town. Truly same. Enjoy. Whenever I get there about day three, I'm ready to come home.

[B]

You were away for a while and you are not really like a long vacation type of gal.

[A]

No, I'm like a good, like extended weekend.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

Meanwhile, I did not tell you while I was on vacation, I get a text from one of my neighbors and follow the bouncing ball here.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I receive an email from the hoa.

[B]

Yep, two, actually.

[A]

Two emails. Okay. I guess I just saw one of them. The next thing, I get a text message from one of my neighbors and she proceeds to tell me that she had an explosion in her yard with water at 1:30am and her husband wasn't home. So she goes to the road to try to turn the water off on her own and turns my water off.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Meanwhile, at this point, I've been at the beach for roughly 30 something hours, also knowing that the cleaners were coming to my house the day that she told me this. So I'm like, okay, it's either one of two things. Either she turned my water back on after she realized she turned my water off, or the cleaners pretended like they cleaned and they didn't.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

This text message reads in a way of she's trying to inform me that she accidentally did this, which I get. I probably would have panicked also if I had an explosion in my yard, right? She tells me that she would show me how to turn the water off in the event this ever happened in my house. And I'm thinking to myself, dear God, please do not let my irrigation system ever explode, because if so, carry this motherfucker away.

[B]

I was wondering, like, when you said explosion, immediately concerned what the hell would be exploding in her yard. I'm like, was it a fire hydrant? Did not. Did not. Put two and two together for the irrigation system.

[A]

Yeah. So her irrigation system exploded. Husband wasn't home. She's now out teaching all the women in the neighborhood how to turn their water off.

[B]

I love that, though. She's like, you know what? If this ever happens to you, I got you.

[A]

Okay. But now I'm very sus because I had received the email from the HOA about storing trash cans. Mm. And I'm like, okay, my trash cans are not regularly stored outside, but my trash runs on Tuesday morning. I left on Wednesday morning, and my trash company, who is through Waste management, did not pick up my recycling. Normally it's two different trucks that pick up, like, the regular trash, and then the recycle is like a different truck right when they didn't pick it up. If you think I'm bringing that shit back into my garage to sit here for an entire seven days while I'm gone, and also would be gone to miss the trash pickup for the following week, you're out of your mind.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

So I left it on the side of the road, tried to contact Waste Management myself. Did not involve you in this. Yep. And I guess Waste Management still did not come and empty it out. And I was told by the same neighbor who turned my water off, would she. Would I like her to move my trash can inside? Oh, did you just hear that? It was a bird that just smashed in my window.

[B]

What is happening?

[A]

What is happening? So I'm like, okay, it's really weird now that she's bringing up the trash can. When I received an email from the HOA about storing trash cans like you think she reported, did you turn my water off and report me for my trash can?

[B]

Wait, were both of them about your trash?

[A]

Yes, both of the emails were about my trash. Okay, so I'm like, okay, now. Now we have a problem, and I'm not okay with this. So immediately I text back and I'm like, okay, first things first. Did you turn my water back on? Because my cleaners were there today, and if you didn't, Whole nother issue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she was like, yeah. I mean, in like 10 minutes, when I realized I was still having the explosion, like, I knew I had done it wrong.

[B]

Okay, so she could have sent a follow up and then like, hey, just want to let you know I did this, but I fixed it.

[A]

That was secondly petty spaghetti me responds back about the trash cans. And I said, yes, if the trash cans bothering you that much, you can wheel it up my driveway.

[B]

What did she say?

[A]

She wheeled it up and then sent me a photo.

[B]

Oh, she absolutely reported your ass.

[A]

And I'm like, who just brings in, like, stinky shit that would be marinating for at that point would be two weeks.

[B]

The way I literally almost gagged. I don't like the word marinating in this context. I don't know. And thankfully, I don't live in an HOA situation, so.

[A]

Okay, so I feel like HOA situation is a big conversation. It's been on multiple of our Facebook groups amongst the podcast many times, and people either love HOA or hate them.

[B]

The only experience I have dealing with is through you. And I've hated every. Every minute of it. There's not one part about it that I liked, actually. So I genuinely would like to hear from people on either side. But also, I feel like it'd be fun to get, like, what is the craziest your HOA has, like, done to you? I would like to.

[A]

I don't think anything's, like, really been crazy done to me, has it?

[B]

No. This last one, they were about to find your ass, so I don't know.

[A]

Trash can.

[B]

Lindsey, Let me pull up the email.

[A]

Okay, like, wait, I almost got fined.

[B]

Yes, you almost got fined because guaranteed.

[A]

She turned my water off and then told on me for a trash can. It's like, now you're trespassing.

[B]

Not the trespassing. Okay, like, why? Here we go. Compliance notice. Oh, they were sent at the same time back to back. So they double sent to you by accident.

[A]

Or like, they were thinking that I was going to do something in one minute.

[B]

My favorite is where they cite the article and the section. Okay, it says, during a recent inspection, an issue was noted on your property and is described below. Debris. Please remove or place out of sight miscellaneous items. Garden hoses, trash and or debris. Then they say, I don't even have a hose. I know. Article section, that whole vibe. There was something in here where they were saying something about being fined.

[A]

Okay, well, my neighbor that turned my water off moved my trash can.

[B]

You had two notices. You had two violations, ma'. Am.

[A]

What were they?

[B]

Okay, so it was the debris one, and then the second one, what I just read to you, it says glass.

[A]

Cans or garden hoses considered debris.

[B]

Miscellaneous items, garden hoses, trash and or debris. Then the second notice they sent you said, during a recent inspection, an issue was noted on your property and is described below. Screening. Garbage cans must be screened from view from the street or adjacent lots.

[A]

What about the day of the trash service? Am I supposed to build a wooden box to Put my trash cans in for waste management to pick it up.

[B]

I mean, it does tell me if we think that the notice was set in error, if we have questions or require assistance.

[A]

What assistance would I require from them?

[B]

We could communicate with them. This is crazy. Literally, back to back, Same time stamp.

[A]

12:56Pm do you think they happen to have seen my branch in the yard? I mean, what can I do about that? A tornado came whipping through here.

[B]

Which side is the tree limb that came down off your tree near the neighbor that we think reported you?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, damn.

[A]

Okay, so also this same neighbor. So apparently the dogs have been reported to. What's that thing called where it's like, on 101 Dalmatians, that truck that the. That comes and gets them.

[B]

I. I almost said dcfs. That is not. That's not what I meant. Like the pound, like, for the pound?

[A]

Like, no, it's not the pound. It's, you know, like the Marshall's office.

[B]

Animal Control.

[A]

Animal control? Yeah. Apparently, like, animal control has been called on her poor dogs before. They have a completely fenced in yard, so I don't know why anybody would do that to them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think she gets scared when Oliver's, like, on his little tie thing in the back where he can, like, run all over the yard because he's so small he can get through their side. So I'm sure she's like, I don't want this dog to get killed. She does know, actually, everything that's going on over here.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So I'm like, did she, like, know that I was out of town and then came and took pictures?

[B]

Well, I don't know.

[A]

I'm putting up a no trespass sign.

[B]

Don't trespass on my property.

[A]

And do we think that I'm gonna get in trouble for planting trees next week from fast growing trees?

[B]

I don't know. I don't think you care either. You're like, they magically appeared. I don't know.

[A]

Wait, y'.

[B]

All.

[A]

Kristen calls me and she's like, hey, by the way, you have a big shipment coming from fast growing trees. And I'm like, I know. I placed the order. She starts reading down through the thing. I'm pretty sure that I placed way more than my yard can even hold.

[B]

Are you going to be having, like, a landscaping giveaway?

[A]

I don't know. But I started going through because on fast growing trees, you can, like, put in your zip code. It'll tell you the zone of where you live and what options for, like, the best plants are yes, ma'.

[B]

Am.

[A]

So I just went through and started selecting all the things that I like.

[B]

So when I said, give me your dream list, you said that?

[A]

Yeah, I selected everything that I like and that I might possibly like.

[B]

Well, we're about to find out if you like it or not.

[A]

I'm like, not me out here just planting, like, hydrangea trees and rose trees. It's like, I feel like I'm going to look like I live on Wisteria Lane.

[B]

It's going to be really good. I think it'll look good. And I already heard from your landscaper. He said he, he could probably do it Sunday.

[A]

Oh, he can plant my stuff. Yeah, that works even better for me because then I can go to Pilates. Yep.

[B]

Get in your Sunday Pilates class.

[A]

Wait, I have to ask you. When you went on vacation as a kid, did you get, like, options for things? Like, you make examples.

[B]

Yeah. Like things to do, things to eat. Like, what do you mean?

[A]

Yeah. Like, did your parents ask you, hey, what do you guys want for dinner?

[B]

Absolutely not. That was never a question. This was dinner. Or we rolled up at whatever restaurant we were eating at that my parents wanted to go to.

[A]

Okay. So I have this big debate that I had over the last week, and I want to know, when you become a parent, which side of the fence are you going to lay on and which one do you think is me?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. So we give kids options for what they want to eat. Because when we go to the grocery store, it's like the grill's going on regardless, Right. So if it's a steak, if it's salmon that goes on there, burger, like, whatever, we'll put it on there. Just tell us what you want. We do multiple options, which is probably like, not the best thing to do when you have multiple kids. Right. What I like to do is say you pick dinner tonight and the other child gets to pick the activity, and then it's like flip flopped the next night. Right.

[B]

Okay. You take turns.

[A]

So, like, you guys are agreeing on dinner, so it's like one thing for both. And then you don't have to agree on the activity. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Are you going to be. You asked for it. So you're going to sit and eat it, or it's getting thrown away and you're going hungry. Or are you. You're going to sit and eat it if you don't want it, that will remain there until right before bedtime, and then it's going to be thrown away.

[B]

That last one is what I will Do. That's how it was in my house. If you're hungry, you're gonna eat this for dinner, or you're not gonna eat it, and it'll be available to you until you go to bed.

[A]

Which one do you think's me?

[B]

You are probably a. You're gonna sit here and eat it, and if you get up, it's getting thrown away.

[A]

No.

[B]

Damn. Okay.

[A]

No. That is my counterpart. And I'm like, no child under my roof is ever going to bed hungry.

[B]

I mean, I do get that. Yeah. But, like, if they choose not to eat it, they choose not to eat it.

[A]

I know, but what if they get it? Because as an adult, like, how many times have we gone to a restaurant, ordered something thinking that it was going to be good, and then just don't want it because we don't like it?

[B]

That's true.

[A]

So I kind of have that mentality as a child. You shouldn't be made to eat things that you don't like or you don't want, because as an adult, you're not gonna have to do that.

[B]

But do you feel like that that is like a privilege that you get as an adult to graduate into. I could do whatever the fuck I want as far as food goes, because I did. Like I distinctly remember telling everybody around me, when I decided that I was moving away to college, 10 hours away from my family, I said, I can't wait to eat fucking ice cream in the morning.

[A]

See, I don't believe in that style of parenting. And here's why. Because then you have sex, sneaky kids or kid or rebellious children, Right? So it's like, I didn't get to do that. So now I'm going to do it when I'm no longer with my parents. You have to think about all of the things that that could create. We're talking like eating disorders, defiance issues, testing boundaries with alcohol.

[B]

Possibly that is valid. I will say I had already dealt with an eating disorder scenario before I even left home. And then it happened again my freshman year of college, so was already dealing with that. And then when I realized that adulting was like, not eating ice cream for breakfast, and there was a lot of other bullshit that came with it, I would say I. I will give anything to go back to. Like, I didn't have to worry about shit and pay my own bills.

[A]

See, I also have very different vacation rules than I have at home, too.

[B]

Which a lot of people do. A lot of people do.

[A]

And so I am very quick to say, hey, this flies on vacation but we're not doing this at home. Like the waking up at 8am and coming into the living room and eating bowls of ice cream. I'm glad you're on vacation. I hope you enjoy it.

[B]

Okay, see, that was not my experience. My rules at home absolutely applied to vacation. Bedtimes, behavioral expectations, food, like everything. There was nothing different except we were just in a different location.

[A]

Oh, holy. While I was on vacation, number one, I read. So we goes to me.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Also, I found a new show on Netflix called Ransom Canyon.

[B]

You mentioned that to me last night and I've never heard of it.

[A]

I need to know how many other people try to bamboozle their man into watching something with them that they immediately are like, this seems like a chick flick and I'm probably not interested. And then you roll with, oh, it's kind of like give a show that you know that they like and then they start watching it and they're like, no, this is actually a chick flick. This is absolutely nothing like Yellowstone. And I'm like, But it is. Because there's like big trucks and cowboys and horses. I'm obsessed. Like, when I tell you I binged this show, I've.

[B]

I gotta look at it. I've never watched it. I was not a Yellowstone watcher because. And I know it's like acting and whatever, but they did the whole animal killing in the first episode with the horse and it took me right out and I said, nope. And I never watched, never watched another episode.

[A]

I will tell you, the Yellowstone arguably is one of the best scenes series that has ever been on tv.

[B]

You know what? I really like, like, the newest show that I would say that I absolutely love and I didn't think I was going to. And it was one of these things that like, Corey would watch when I was like working late and I'd be doing like admin stuff. So he's watching tv and it's. I'm in the living room and I just hear it and I got intrigued. It's the. It's about the oil rigging and Billy Bob Thornton's in it. Hold on. Land Man.

[A]

Oh, I know somebody who watches Landman too.

[B]

Yeah, have you watched Landman?

[A]

Somebody I kiss.

[B]

Do you watch Landman?

[A]

I do not watch Landman.

[B]

You, from what everyone has told me that liked Yellowstone, you would love Landman.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think the characters are so funny. Do you remember, please tell me you watch Legally Blonde, like multiple times.

[A]

Like a million times in my lifetime.

[B]

Okay, so you know the woman who was accused of killing her husband and the daughter was really the one that did it. And Elle woods was like. Came in and saved the day. The. The one that they was like, Accused. She plays in Landman. And I love her. I think she's so funny and sassy. Her attitude is so good. It's. You have to watch it, and I think you'll fall in love with it.

[A]

Yeah, I hated her in Legally Blonde.

[B]

I, like, liked. I liked her in Legally Blonde. Like, I liked her for her character. Does that make sense?

[A]

Yeah. Well, good for you.

[B]

I know. But seriously, start it, watch it, and then I need thoughts because I thought it was a dude show.

[A]

I will report back to you. What I do have to report to you is that there was a Michigan man who was awarded $75 million after losing both of his hands and a Kroger chemical blast. And you know what? At this point of my life, I could probably take the 75 million and not worry about my hands.

[B]

What chemical blast would occur at a Kroger?

[A]

So this person was 37 years old, and they were an H VAC technician. It says that he's the same. Sustained severe chemical burns that led to the amputation of most of both of his hands. It says that this man underwent 25 surgeries following the incident. And this just was on the news like, a couple of days ago, but allegedly it happened back in 2020. It says there was a defective refrigerant explodent in the middle of the day at a Kroger store. And he tried to. He tried to stop the refrigerant, but could not. And his hands were injected with toxic R22 refrigerant, which had been banned by the EPA.

[B]

I'm not trying to be offensive, but what exactly is most of his hands?

[A]

Well, I mean, click and look.

[B]

Oh, they have pictures.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

That's not what I pictured.

[A]

I did not picture that.

[B]

It's seeming like most of his digits on one hand and then one digit on the other.

[A]

Yeah, I'm like, for 75 million, though.

[B]

He still has thumbs, which is a big, big thing. This is tragic, first of all. But he still has thumbs, which I. I know is, like, a huge thing. And I only know that because Corey has accidental death and dismemberment insurance because of what he does. And he gets paid more if he loses a thumb than he does if he loses, like, any of his other fingers.

[A]

Wait, that's in the thing?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It literally specifies price points on your digits.

[B]

There's price points on digits. There's price points on toes, limbs, so.

[A]

Like, if you lose your pinky, it's not that big of a deal.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

You're kidding.

[B]

Decapitation is another one. That's like, why did you do your hands like that?

[A]

Wait, not using Corey to work, Being like, hey, can you lose your pinky today?

[B]

No. The pinky doesn't get you paid. And that's what I say. You're going to do some dumb shit. At least check the price points first.

[A]

Oh, my God. But can you imagine, Like, I mean, obviously you want all the fingers that you were born with, right? Like, yeah, makes sense. And this is a tragic situation. Not trying to make light of it as I'm sitting here saying, I would lose all of my fingers for $75 million.

[B]

That's on trauma. That's. We're just sick and twisted. It's okay.

[A]

Okay, but, like, could you imagine this happening?

[B]

Absolutely not. And then I'm also thinking, okay, so, like, 75 million is what he got from Kroger?

[A]

Yeah. What did he get from, like, his personal insurance?

[B]

I'm wondering if he had any type of policies like what Corey has.

[A]

I mean, wouldn't you have to have something like that to be licensed and insured as a H Vac technician? Because there's no way Kroger's letting an H Vac income in there that's not licensed and insured.

[B]

Listen, there's a lot of people that have let a lot of people into things that are not licensed, so that.

[A]

Very much sounded targeted. You.

[B]

I meant in the general sense, but also you.

[A]

Wait, y'. All. You have no, like, clue how many times Kristen has called me after, like, some has happened. And she's like, please tell me they were licensed and insured. And I'm like, nope.

[B]

You're like, that's why I didn't tell you about it every time. Great.

[A]

Wait, I have a follow up.

[B]

So ready?

[A]

I had a listener reach out to me on Instagram. And this is in regards to that story that we were talking about last episode.

[B]

About the cult thing, the Soup?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, damn.

[A]

Okay. Not that. It was the situation where they took all of those kids to foster care.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[A]

Like the sex trafficking situation.

[B]

It was the camp thing, right?

[A]

Yeah, so she says. Okay. Listening to the Southern T podcast, and I love how you bring up topics that are related to social work. Social worker here from California. I heard you talking about the story of the sex trafficking thing at the church. I don't know anything about it, but I used to work in CPS with a sex trafficking unit, which I had no idea that they had like a separate unit for that.

[B]

I would not shocked now because of how prevalent sexual sex trafficking is.

[A]

It says so. One thing I was going to point out is that when a child is found from sex trafficking, even if they have good and supportive parents, there is a law here in California and some other states that basically say those children have to go into foster care to keep them safe. Usually it's too difficult for parents to keep children from returning to the trafficker.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

She says it also does not surprise me. A lot of the people working there had no idea that the trafficking was going on. I do believe that they probably did not know anything. There's usually only select people who is directing what is going on. It sounds like the situation was grooming. Like when you mentioned something, someone got $400 pair of shoes. Those are red flags that we look for, like multiple cell phones, really expensive gifts that kids would not be able to afford anyways. I could talk about this forever. It makes me sick. One last thing I'll say on it, because I feel so passionately about it, is that law enforcement usually does not move in on sex trafficking unless it's safe to do so and unless they have clear evidence that something is going on. A lot of times people get upset on law enforcement having information on sex trafficking and them not moving in on it. But I have to be extremely careful because. But they have to be extremely careful because they can put the victims at higher risk if they do not get it right and they get stuck there and then those kids are at risk of getting hurt. Hurt.

[B]

Holy. I mean, that definitely gave me more context and a different perspective.

[A]

I was wondering like at what point, I mean, normally when CPS is involved, like, don't they have to come out in situations anytime they're called?

[B]

I don't know. I never know what makes them actually take a case and open it. Is it just. You have to every single time.

[A]

I never know. I was under the impression that anytime something is reported to CPS that it is required by law for them to come out and do a preliminary investigation. And then that point they determine that the investigation is going to move forward or it's closed.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The whole reason I'm saying that is because if CPS was involved in this situation and there is in fact a whole sex trafficking unit, I would imagine that with that many children or, you know, miners involved, they would have had to have done a decent amount of digging and be able to prove that those claims are substantial claims to go in, like, move in on a camp like that.

[B]

I would. I would hope so. I. I would hope so. That way it's not something where it's not like a. I don't want to say slam dunk for them, but putting kids at risk is never good.

[A]

Holy. I was following, like, this true crime podcast, speaking of just, like, child stuff, and this woman was talking about this Tick Tock account of this couple that apparently lives in Florida. I can't remember what their names were, but they have been on Tick Tock for quite some time. I think they have like, 87, 000 followers on tick tock. And she said that some, like, Internet sleuth uncovered that the man from a surrounding county of my county here in Georgia had been indicted on charges of child pornography. Apparently these charges were pending and that he had been sentenced. Children as young as 12 years old pled guilty. And they're just all over Tick Tock, just like nothing happened.

[B]

We've had quite a few situations like that or near us. And it's like people that Corey has known, and they just randomly come up and it's like, you were doing what?

[A]

Yeah. And it said that the wife was knowledgeable of this situation. Like, whenever it transpired, they still were making active efforts to be somewhat viewed as public figures on this Tick Tock account. If you did something like that, why? Why would you do that?

[B]

People are diabolical. That's what I want.

[A]

Can you imagine?

[B]

No, you should crawl into a hole.

[A]

I don't want to say the people's names because I want to keep looking at the Tick Tock account. And apparently this woman is regularly deleting.

[B]

Deleting and blocking instead of removing herself from social media.

[A]

Yeah, Correct. Okay, correct. Can we get into the Brian Coburger stuff?

[B]

Oh, can we?

[A]

So, on Coffee Convo's podcast that releases tomorrow, Kale and I gave our take on the news ahead of this hearing. Now, the hearing took place as of yesterday, and I watched this on the way back from the beach. And when I tell you, the chills that I had just listening to him answer the questions from the judge and say that he was guilty had me literally physically feeling like I needed to shit my pants.

[B]

I have so many thoughts and feelings on that entire thing. I think that the judge saying what he said in the beginning was not the move. I don't think that that was the move at all very much, was making it about himself and the court and how. What the effects were on them, where realistically, it should always be about the Victims and their families. In my opinion, people can agree, people can disagree. That's totally fine. Especially given the fact that he only entered this a couple months ago. There was a previous judge that had been doing everything up until that point, if we remember. So I just felt like that was a little insensitive. I don't. I also feel like if you're not taking the, like, public comments and statements and calls and those things into account, what's understood should not need to be explained. So that was a little bit crazy in. In my opinion, seeing Coburger. And I get it. The. You know, it was said that this was to accept his plea deal and the judge to accept the plea deal. That's what this was for yesterday, in my opinion, he should not have been allowed to wear plain clothes. He should have been in.

[A]

That's a technicality, though, because they had already. The defense had already filed a motion for a request for him to be able to wear those types of clothes for presumption of innocence. And so until he made the pleading of guilty in the court, he was still. He was still allowed to do that. However, in the most recent hearing, the judge did, towards the end of the hearing, say, now. Now that there is no longer a. A presumption of innocence. You have pled guilty. He will not be able to be back into the courtroom for his sentencing in street clothes.

[B]

What's also frustrating is he was not handcuff, shackled, anything at all to what I saw.

[A]

That's also a part of that motion that had been filed regarding those photos being for public consumption. For him to be handcuffed, again, would give an indication that. Of guilt.

[B]

I think at the point where you are accused and you have that much evidence to get as far as it did, and you're being accused of what you were being accused of, the safety of everybody else involved in that courtroom should have probably been put first, in my opinion.

[A]

I would never represent someone like that if I was an attorney. Like, I would be afraid that the K Bar was coming out.

[B]

I am also. And I don't know if you caught this. I was really disturbed. And I get. People deal with things differently, right? Like, I'm the first one to say that. I use humor in everything. In moments where I shouldn't laugh, I laugh. It's like my, you know, anxiety response, trauma response, all the things I was laughing at my own dad's funeral, like, not because anything was funny. That's just my reaction to things. His. The attorney, when she was speaking and standing, they like, she Was smiling and he was, like, looking at her and as if they were, like, interacting in. In. In a. It was weird. I'll just say that it was very odd. I noticed it right away, and I actually saw a couple tiktoks this morning of people being like, did anybody else catch this? At first I was like, am I seeing this right? Like, does. I'm confused because I was watching it on Court TV and there was a ton of commercials. So I was like, am I missing something that got said or. I don't know. But thought that that was really odd behavior. I don't like that the judge was mispronouncing. I believe it was Zanna's last name every time he said it. At least verse yourself enough to. To me, it's disrespectful. It's disrespectful to the deceased and also her family. So I thought that was bizarre. Hearing him speak, seeing him not give a. About anything didn't surprise me at all. I was. It was really unfortunate that part of that plea was that he did not need to say anything to the families, like, give them anything that they were looking for. I'm not saying he should have had to do it to every family because I believe two probably would have wanted it and two probably would not have, but that should have been something that that was put in there. I think the plea deal was done without consideration for the victims and their families and their wishes. We talked about that too, where it was like it was split in half. How do you make everyone happy in that scenario?

[A]

And the crazy thing is, is when Kayl and I were talking about it, I feel like now that we have been able to hear some of the families make statements, and then also just watching the hearing, I do feel like it's a 50 50, and one of us falls on one end of it and the other one of us falls fell on the other end of it. Do I think it's necessarily justice? No. But do I think it brings a sense of peace for him to have to stand and say, I am guilty and I did these things and the families do not have to go through with trial. For them to relocate themselves for however long that trial would have taken would have been great deal of expense on the families. He could have been acquitted. There could have been a mistrial. There's so many things that could have happened. And also this will eliminate his ability to be able to file any appeals post sentencing. So he's done. I can't remember which. Which one of the I think it was one of the girls dads said that they felt like the the death penalty would have allowed him a coward way out. And I am in agreement with that. We've talked a lot about the death penalty and I feel like it's just such a quick thing regardless of how many years it's so quick. Like he should have to sit in there and suffer for the rest of his life.

[B]

Well you also have to look at it where and you and Kale talked about like how long you sit on death row for and all the things that you can like try try to do. I look at it that there is a distinct difference in the treatment that the people on death row receive than regular incarcerated individuals. They receive better treatment hands down. And I that you would look that up online anywhere. So I don't like that. I will say I'm relieved from what I have been able to gather in Idaho. You cannot like he will not be able to sit in prison and make money off of him his crimes. So I did. If that is in fact true, that makes me feel a little bit better.

[A]

Me too. But I do believe that there is such a sense of narcissism when you look at him. If narcissism had a look I feel like it would look like Brian Coburger. And do you think for notoriety purposes because a lot of people who commit crimes like this love the fact that their names in the media. So do you think for those purposes alone that he will write a book just for the notoriety?

[B]

I had said this when you guys were recording coffee convos and I still feel this way. I could see him being like a Euron Vander Sloot where he comes up with multiple variations and doesn't actually ever say the truth and because he's supposedly the only one who holds that information. So I could see him doing a variety of things and telling a different story every single time.

[A]

Well, according to CNN and not CNN the new evidence shared during Wednesday hearing Wednesday's hearing included a car rushing away from the scene. New insight into how Coburger encountered a roommate and used a Q tip aband in a trash linking coworker to the crime. While the image of what happened in the early morning hours of November 13, 2022 is now sharper, many details are still left out of focus and it's unclear whether we will ever have full clarity on why those horrific acts occurred. It says. Here is what Thompson shared during his office's account of events before the murder in July 2022, four months before the murders. Coburger's cell phone began pinging cell tower in near 1122 King Road, the victim's homes. From July 9, the time of the murders, Coburger's phone connected to the area approximately 23 times between 10pm and 4am While Coburger was in the area. Prosecutors have no evidence that shows that he had direct contact with the King Road home or its occupants. Prosecutors did not share insight as to why he was in the area or how he ended up coming upon the residents. And he also noted that while his phone connected to a nearby cell tower, the area is densely populated and includes lots of homes. I'm just confused. I'm going to stop right there for a second because he was kind of painted that he did not have any friends. So between 10am and 4am why would you be in that area when he did not live in that area?

[B]

Well, if you like, track it back. I heard this yesterday and I forget where I heard it, so don't quote me. There was a scenario where he went to, if I'm not mistaken, the place that want to say that it was Maddie and Kaylee, worked at the Grove, I think it was called. He started going there. He was known to have been there on one specific day and literally that day is when his phone started pinging by that house. And it was months prior to when this happened. So for me, I'm like, was this a stalking situation?

[A]

But part of me thinks, and, and I have always said this about him, that I think that he, he is probably shocked that he was caught because I think that he thought he was smart enough to get away with it. I would not be surprised if he intentionally, for months left his phone on between 10am and 4am and then turned his phone off. Because it says in the early hours of November 13, Coburger left his home in Pullman, Washington, drove the 10 miles to Moscow, turned off his cell phone from 2:54am to 4:48am to me, that is clear evidence that that was a calculated move for sure.

[B]

And then went home, took a selfie.

[A]

No. So in that hearing it said that he had gone home that night, but he went back to the residence. Yeah. At some point. And then when he came back the second time was when he took the selfie.

[B]

Yeah. Came back the second time, took the selfie and then went back at 9am.

[A]

Like, what was the point of the selfie?

[B]

No clue. That was bizarre to me. I'm like, did you want a souvenir? I don't know. I'm also very curious because this is the first time they said container. I. I don't know if you caught that. Where they said that Dylan, I believe, had said that he left the scene. Container. Yeah, some type of container. Before that. What I had heard that was going around was that it looked like a part of a vacuum. But they specifically said he left with some type of container. And I, I don't even want to know what was in said container. Did he put the knife in a container?

[A]

I think he put the knife in the container and maybe in the container he had possible clean gloves. So when he left, like, maybe he put the knife and the gloves that he had on in the container and then left with clean gloves.

[B]

That's a possibility. So I thought that was interesting. I just.

[A]

We now also know that he came in the house through the sliding glass door, went upstairs, intended. They believe fully that he intended to kill Maddie Mogan. Yep. Kaylee was there. I think that was an unexpected situation. It said that she had a broken nose, that she had been punched so hard in her head and in her face that that alone could have killed her. He then stabbed her. And it says that evidence shows that he encountered Zanna in the hallway and then ended up killing her, implying that he may not have originally intended to do so. It also said that Ethan was asleep in the bedroom and he went into the bedroom and fatally stabbed him.

[B]

Which when that was said, this is like my thought. I was just genuinely wondering this. You know, in the crime scene photos that originally came out that they showed, and you could see through the the window or sliding glass door into the kitchen, and you saw Xana's name on like a doordash bag.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm wondering if she took the doordash into her room or somewhere else in the house. He came in, she finished eating, went to go bring it into the kitchen. And that where they encountered like maybe she got to the kitchen, dropped the bag, went to leave, and he came down the stairs at the same time.

[A]

You can't convince me at this point that some of the last evidence that we heard of before the trial was set, it might have even been after the trial was set, was the information regarding the door dash driver. Because for a long time we all had questions about like why we know nothing about this door dash driver. She had made statements that she did encounter him and, and visibly saw what he looked like from the car window because he was like beside her. Do we think that that was the final straw for the defense to encourage him to plead guilty? Like, I mean, if, if she saw him and described him. I mean, to me the writing's on the wall at that point.

[B]

I think that if they didn't necessarily have that information, like right up front. But you, when we were talking yesterday, you made a good point. Like you have to turn all of your ev. Plan to use in. I think it's at minimum 30 days prior to trial, I believe. And I could be so wrong. So they would have had that information. I will say Kaylee's dad, Steve made a comment outside of the courthouse saying like something to the effect of, I know, when his parents booked their flight, almost implying that this plea deal had been going on longer than it has been talked about. From the information that I saw on the Internet, again, don't know if it's actually valid or not. The defense asked for a plea deal. It's not like the prosecution was offering it. I will say that, like, I. And we obviously were not told all of the evidence that they have. Right. It was like a very scaled down version for them to talk about yesterday. They didn't. In my opinion, I don't think he would have been found guilty. I think he or he would have been acquitted based upon the evidence that they spoke on was not enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he did it. In my opinion, I could be so wrong, but that's what I believe. I was like, this is what people were describing is like, you have so much evidence stacked against him. So I did find that really odd. Unless there's something that we still don't know that made them turn, you know, decide a plea deal was the best bet. But if, if it were me and I was potentially facing the death penalty and I knew that that's the evidence that was had and I'm basing it off of what was spoken about, I think that I might have taken my chances.

[A]

I think I wouldn't have taken my chances. We see what happens when you take your chances.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's. That is true. I just, I don't know. I was a little bit surprised. But again, I know that they weren't giving all details and all the things. They were just giving a very scaled down version. But I, at the, at the fact that they said that they didn't have something that physically placed him there. I don't know. I mean, I, I felt like the knife sheath was always going to do him in. But some people would say that that's, you know, with all the things that have been going on, how highly publicized it's been. I wouldn't be shocked if there were jurors who believe that it was planted. Or.

[A]

Again, don't put me on a jury, because I'm gonna say, nope, that that is the smoking gun.

[B]

I mean, I'm not trying to bring up another.

[A]

None of these roommates knew this guy. There's just a bloody knife sheath and in the room, and there's four people dead.

[B]

Yeah, listen, we have this case going on, and then not to get into another one, but just to mention, look what just happened in Diddy's trial.

[A]

Look at that. Karen Reed with that Boston police officer. What was it? Mistrial and then acquitted. Yeah, look at fucking Kaylee. Or Casey Anthony's of the world.

[B]

So that's why I say I might have taken looking at what I looked at. I was like, this was not as big of a slam dunk looking at it objectively.

[A]

But that's why I say I am so happy with this for the families alone. Because if it was a mistrial or he was acquitted, like, could you imagine the feeling of living with that?

[B]

No. Because then he's out there and, like, you can't convince me that he wouldn't do it again.

[A]

So it says that the. That Kaylee's family was. They opposed the plea deal. And it was said on a Facebook post on Tuesday, we stand strong that this is not over until a plea is accepted. We will not start fighting. Stop fighting for the life that was stolen unjustly, they added. While we are cognizant that some people may have wanted the plea, the prosecution relaying it to us was not a majority vote. That was the deciding factor in offering the plea. At bare minimum, pleas require a full confession, full accountability, location of the murder weapon, confirmation the defendant acted alone, and true facts of what happened that night. We deserve to know when the beginning. When the beginning of the end was. And I wholeheartedly agree with that. I do believe that if he was going to plead guilty, the plea also does not stop him from speaking to media or writing a book. Just Idaho state law says he cannot profit off of being able to do that. I believe that all of those should have been a stipulation at bare minimum for the family.

[B]

I agree. And it. It could apply to whoever wanted it to, like, wanted that. I think that that would have been the happiest medium. It sounds so awful to say, but I think that would have been the happiest medium there, where it's like, this is what we're doing, but this is what we were able to secure you if you are interested. Like, if two of the families did not want that information, they don't have to go seeking it. I wholeheartedly feel like Brian Coburger should have to look them in the face and tell them what he did. But then you have the flip side of it where it's like, can you ever believe anything that comes out of his mouth? How do you know if it's true?

[A]

I believe just based off of his demeanor in court, there could have been a period of time if he has true, like, mental disorders, which I believe is the case, because his attorney was talking about submitting, like, medical records for these things. Right. Could it have been that he was in a state of denial for himself? Like, is he just a pathological type person? Where if he told himself enough times, like, I didn't do this, and then reached a point of no, like, I did it for me.

[B]

I think it's just a straight narcissism that, like, straight up, like, I'm never going to admit to this. Never going to be me, never going to be caught. I'm too smart. Everyone else is stupid.

[A]

I've told you many times that I believe that he had convinced his own self that he was Albert Einstein.

[B]

Yes, I would agree. I know that the gag order is in place until sentencing.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I'm very interested to see what comes out after that. Not even necessarily just from Bryan Coburger, but from everybody involved in that case. Because you cannot convince me that Steve Kaylee's dad is gonna stop. I don't think he's gonna stop, and I don't think he should have to.

[A]

I don't think he should either. I don't think that these parents should be governed by a court of law. To be perfectly honest with you, I wholeheartedly stand by what Maddie Mogan's dad said. He told CBS News, we can actually put this behind us and not have these future dates and future things that we don't want to have to be at, that we shouldn't have to be at, that we have to do with this terrible person. We get to just think about the rest of our lives and have to try to figure out how to do this without Maddie and the rest of the kids. And that was my whole point that I was trying to make on coffee combos, that it gives you some sense of certainty, like whether it's exactly what you were seeking. It gives you more certainty than going to try trial and you not getting any part of what you want.

[B]

I know they were talking about like fines associated with the crimes that he had to plead guilty to.

[A]

I'll be interested on what fines are imposed. But also restitution is a crazy thing. He's going to prison for the rest of his life, so how is he gonna pay anything?

[B]

Well, I was gonna ask you that because I know you've done a lot of research. Like, is he forced to work? Like, is he forced to have a job in prison? And will some of that have to go as payment? I know they get paid pennies. Yes, but do you think that that would be taken from that?

[A]

That is so fucking offensive for the system to even offer for. For families pennies that he's making while in prison.

[B]

I would agree, but otherwise I'm like, who pays that?

[A]

I don't know. I don't know how that ends up getting paid or if it's just a complete debt.

[B]

I just looked this up and it says inmates. And I. I don't know if this goes state by state or whatever. This is just general on Google. Inmates typically pay restitution through a combination of prison wages, funds from their trust accounts, and sometimes through external sources like family or friends. Restitution is usually a condition of their sentence and is paid either while incarcerated or upon release. Obviously, he's not going to be released, so I'm going to assume. Yeah, it says, typically a percentage of their prison wages, often a significant portion, like 50%, is automatically deducted and applied to their restitution obligations.

[A]

What, they're like $2 a day that they make. That's fucking offensive.

[B]

They might be able to take it off of their. Like it says, some facilities may also collect from funds deposited into an inmate's trust account, which I'm assuming is like commissary.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So if he has all of these bitches. Excuse my French, but that's what I'm going to refer to anybody who does this as. Put money on his shit. Because we know how some people just get obsessed and have that weird fantasy. I wonder if they will take that and pay as they should. He should have nothing. He should have literally nothing.

[A]

I mean, I believe somebody who does crimes like this should not even be eligible for commissary. It should be the bare minimum of what is offered in that facility.

[B]

I don't know. I'll be very intrigued to see the. We already know what the sentencing is going to be unless that judge is crazy and gives him a lesser.

[A]

You know, I was watching Legal Analyst talk about it this morning, and she said that it seemed to her to be Very clear that the judge was outlining pretty much what he was going to impose and that it would likely be the maximum of whatever he can give him.

[B]

Is the judge allowed to impose other things like a full confession or. We don't know.

[A]

You know, I don't know. I would imagine that it would have to be an agreement upon whoever's lawyers and the defense at this point. I don't know how much movement they would be able to do considering the fact that there's already been a plea agreement agreed upon. So I'm sure they would have to file something else in the event that they did. Did request that.

[B]

I know that we talked about this a little bit, but I also wonder if there's the ability for the families to civilly sue.

[A]

You know, I would love to see that same.

[B]

But I just wonder, could they do it just to be able to basically try to get the information they're wanting from him?

[A]

I don't know. Maybe I need to call my attorney and ask him that question and then get back to you on that. But this is definitely like. I would like to see a similar situation happen that happened to Brian Laundrie's parents. I would like for Co Burger's parents to have to speak on what they knew, how long they knew it, and to have to speak to the families. I. Yeah, because in that journalist, that journalist that wrote the book on this, there were allegedly things that were written about the oldest sister and how she approached her dad before he ever went to Washington to get Brian to take him back home. That the sister allegedly approached him in the family living room and he walked out. He didn't even address her. He didn't respond, nothing. He walked out as if he didn't hear it. And allegedly the sister also searched Brian's car.

[B]

I do, I do remember hearing this. I don't. I mean, I. I don't want to blame parents all the time. Right. But. And I'm not blaming, but I do think that if they, if it's possible that they knew information, I do think that they should have to share that.

[A]

If my child did something to someone else's child and that person is suffering from what my child did, I owe that parent explanation and that's what I believe.

[B]

It breaks my heart because Steve was interviewed last night and he was saying how he like repeatedly saying how he let Kaylee down. And I'm like, he.

[A]

Well, it's the phases of grief, right? Like he's in the. The phase of grief, of guilt.

[B]

Yeah, Well, I think too, like Having this whole trial situation get prolonged so much, it absolutely, I'm sure, has hindered the actual grieving process for these families. And I think that the court case itself was probably a big distraction for a lot of them. And now that that's not happening and it's over, it's like. I can only imagine. It's like compounded.

[A]

Yeah. The last thing that I want to say on this, this week before we move on is that it's horrible that any of their lives were taken, but the fact that it has been alleged now that he went in to do that to one and then three other lives were taken, and the process of him doing that is absolutely asinine.

[B]

Agreed, Agreed.

[A]

Like it was said somewhere in that hearing yesterday that they believe that the intended target was one of the girls. And they do not have any indication either way to believe that he had intended to harm the other three or if they were basically in the way of him doing what he was doing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I saw this little thing on Instagram and I will post this this week. It says, keep people in your life who celebrate your good news, hold you accountable, reciprocate effort, show up during hard times, are able to be vulnerable and are willing to communicate. And I feel like after the week that I had last week, I needed to see that.

[B]

Definitely. I could agree. I can agree.

[A]

And this week's weekly devotional is short and sweet. Dear God, thank you for holding me together when I had every reason to fall apart. And I have quite crazy weekly tea. This was on People magazine.

[B]

Oh boy.

[A]

And nothing ceases to amaze me at this point of life anymore. Man was found naked and beaten with a plunger.

[B]

What the hell?

[A]

I need you to click on that People article and just look at the photo because that sends me.

[B]

Oh my God.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. This says. And, and also I, Kale and I were talking about how, like, she's not a Tennessee girly because too many bad things have happened to her. And then I see this article and it says a Tennessee man is facing charges after being accused of beating another man with a plunger, pouring bleach on him and kidnapping his child. 19 year old was charged with aggravated kidnapping, attempted second degree murder and tampering with evidence. Police said that he was allegedly asked by the child's mother to take an Uber to the home and pick up the three year old child. Once there, he got into a physical fight with the victim. And it says that he slammed the victim into the ground, struck him in the face multiple times with his fist Struck him with a toilet plunger and stuffed the plunger into the victim's mouth. Can you imagine, like, how wide hinge you would have to be for somebody to stick a plunger in your mouth? Like, I'm thinking, like in a sexual state, like that ain't that hinge ain't open in that far.

[B]

No. Also, why a plunger?

[A]

You know, was it a situation where it was like the one thing that was there that could be used as a weapon?

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Oh, now I get it. The report said that he allegedly dragged the victim into the bathroom, stripped him naked, poured bleach on his wounds.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I mean, attempted second degree murder. Like, no offense, but like, if I'm gonna get charged with attempted second degree murder, I'm gonna do something a little bit more than pour bleach on somebody and them up with a plunger.

[B]

When that man gets to prison, right, and they ask what he's in for, can you imagine?

[A]

It's like the typical prison talk. Like you enter prison and everybody's like, show me your papers. Show me your papers. He shows someone his papers and he's beat the fuck out of somebody with a plunger and poured bleach on them. Like, he's getting his ass beat.

[B]

He's getting pissed on. Like, that's what's going to happen.

[A]

In other news, I do not want to forget that the Southern T podcast is up for nomination for the People's Choice Podcast award. I am asking you guys to please go and vote for us in the kids and family category and the People's Choice category. Voting is open now through July 31, so let's take this home for another year. I am so thankful for you guys. If you guys have not subscribed to the podcast, you can do that from any podcast app wherever you get your pods. Always first at Podcast one. We hope you guys have a great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[B]

Bye.

[C]

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